this is very interesting. very different from what im used to, but definitely good. im used to it being very thoughtful, very slow, very deliberate, and somehow unnatural, while the way you speak it seems to bring a certain cynicism about the soliloquy. as i said, i like it. very different.
As I studied the speech, I tried to put aside the dramatic tradition of how it's supposed to be said, and discovered that it's a very matter-of-fact kind of cynical lecture to the audience. There's really no need for melodrama... in fact, I think it could be even more effectively delivered in the same manner as a mundane Powerpoint lecture.
understood, seeing as how it almost has a sneer to it. however, there are parts of it where i think "melodrama" is necessary, seeing as how there are several parts of it where he stops to seriously think about the upsides of being dead, as opposed to the rest of it where he brutally criticizes life. i dunno if its just me or if there's an actual difference or even if im making sense, but it almost seems necessary to give it that clash of melodrama and cynicism.
i can definitely see that, but also in the "to die, to sleep..." parts it seems to me that contemplation takes a more serious tone, while when he says "ay, there's the rub" its almost as if he's making a mockery out of life with that cynicism and mundaneness that you captured so well. it's not really complicated, but there is a certain depth to it, while there are definitely parts where he disregards humanity and life in a very critical way.
ah, now THERE'S a concept i can agree with. i think he could give that diversity within the speech, not necessarily with ease, but i think he could definitely sell it. sell the entire concept, the feeling that hamlet is experiencing through this speech. i can see it now...
thank you for the conversation. i really think the two of us came to an agreeable comprimise =]
Yeah, essentially that's it. And, even more than that, he's saying that even the existence of an afterlife is a huge gamble. And, beyond even that, who's to say it isn't even worse than what happens in life?
In short, he's fretting and angry over the cruel cosmic joke that you just might be screwed no matter what you do.
Well, I like to think that we can all relate to that from time to time. I think that one of the biggest thing that increases our sense of loneliness and futility is living in a culture where, when you laugh, the world loves you and where, when you cry, you cry alone.
faith in God. i dont mean to sound preachy at all, but im saying if faith in something like God can bring you away from something like suicide, doubt, or anxieties, then why not have the faith. there aint nothin to lose. ok im done sounding like a preacher.
Yes, faith does help many but in the ways you are using your faith here is where the problems lie in it all. People use faith to blind themselves from the troubles of this world and their own. People do not use their brains anymore they let everything else think for them, including the church. I'm glad that faith can help make life easier for you cope. I wish I could use faith to make things easier on me, but I question everything to much for that and want to live on my own beliefs.
BRAVO! for so with the sleep be a thousand injustice,Yeah that rips and tears at the mortal mind as if to prove the foul taste for the mortal coil
196323100 1 year ago
I'd actually like to do it, like an infomercial for an audience, or an on-the-scene exposee reporter.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
this is very interesting. very different from what im used to, but definitely good. im used to it being very thoughtful, very slow, very deliberate, and somehow unnatural, while the way you speak it seems to bring a certain cynicism about the soliloquy. as i said, i like it. very different.
=]
TheMorningwillCome 3 years ago
Thanks.
As I studied the speech, I tried to put aside the dramatic tradition of how it's supposed to be said, and discovered that it's a very matter-of-fact kind of cynical lecture to the audience. There's really no need for melodrama... in fact, I think it could be even more effectively delivered in the same manner as a mundane Powerpoint lecture.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
understood, seeing as how it almost has a sneer to it. however, there are parts of it where i think "melodrama" is necessary, seeing as how there are several parts of it where he stops to seriously think about the upsides of being dead, as opposed to the rest of it where he brutally criticizes life. i dunno if its just me or if there's an actual difference or even if im making sense, but it almost seems necessary to give it that clash of melodrama and cynicism.
TheMorningwillCome 3 years ago
It's the kind of speech that I imagine would be given by 1) Bill Hicks or 2) Howard Beale from "Network" or 3) Heath Ledger's Joker...
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
i can definitely see that, but also in the "to die, to sleep..." parts it seems to me that contemplation takes a more serious tone, while when he says "ay, there's the rub" its almost as if he's making a mockery out of life with that cynicism and mundaneness that you captured so well. it's not really complicated, but there is a certain depth to it, while there are definitely parts where he disregards humanity and life in a very critical way.
TheMorningwillCome 3 years ago
True, true... I wonder if Anthony Hopkins could deliver those parts with a dead, peaceful smile.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
ah, now THERE'S a concept i can agree with. i think he could give that diversity within the speech, not necessarily with ease, but i think he could definitely sell it. sell the entire concept, the feeling that hamlet is experiencing through this speech. i can see it now...
thank you for the conversation. i really think the two of us came to an agreeable comprimise =]
TheMorningwillCome 3 years ago
who was that intended for?
ericstephen123 4 years ago
Slaughterbaby.
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago
debating whether or not kill himself? against the troubles of the world
ericstephen123 4 years ago
With what you've said sticking in my mind, I'll give it a try again sometime soon.
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago
i have never understood any shakespeare, except for Macbeth.
ericstephen123 4 years ago
You didn't even understand this?
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago
You didn't even understand this?
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago
well i guess he was talking about ending his life from all the world's cruelties
ericstephen123 4 years ago
Yeah, essentially that's it. And, even more than that, he's saying that even the existence of an afterlife is a huge gamble. And, beyond even that, who's to say it isn't even worse than what happens in life?
In short, he's fretting and angry over the cruel cosmic joke that you just might be screwed no matter what you do.
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago
ahhhh such a pity. when someone finds no hope
ericstephen123 4 years ago
Well, I like to think that we can all relate to that from time to time. I think that one of the biggest thing that increases our sense of loneliness and futility is living in a culture where, when you laugh, the world loves you and where, when you cry, you cry alone.
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago
thats where faith comes into play
ericstephen123 4 years ago
Faith in what.
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago
faith in God. i dont mean to sound preachy at all, but im saying if faith in something like God can bring you away from something like suicide, doubt, or anxieties, then why not have the faith. there aint nothin to lose. ok im done sounding like a preacher.
ericstephen123 4 years ago
Yes, faith does help many but in the ways you are using your faith here is where the problems lie in it all. People use faith to blind themselves from the troubles of this world and their own. People do not use their brains anymore they let everything else think for them, including the church. I'm glad that faith can help make life easier for you cope. I wish I could use faith to make things easier on me, but I question everything to much for that and want to live on my own beliefs.
slaughterbaby 4 years ago
Judging by these comments of yours, you might really enjoy my book... I wrote it with people like you in mind.
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago
very intellectual
ericstephen123 4 years ago
But did you understand it? That's what's most important to me...
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago
cool
skateboardkaylee 4 years ago
Glad you liked it!
TheLogicJunkie 4 years ago