Mozarl Loves Italy, and Austria is Catholic as Italy, and france very far from Austria, so Mozart makes operas more than ballets, ballets are frenchs. So is natural that Mozart sounds a bit close to Salieri.
I dont see any logic in naming Mozart genius of all time and forgotting about Saleri, maybe Salieri is worse but really not that much, and being a litle worse to someone named a genius is being excelent...
Sure Salieri may have gotten a bad wrap, but he's not as good as Mozart because he didn't have the same grasp of theory that Mozart did. A lot of Mozart's music was very new to people during that time. Although we may not consider it dissonant or "wrong" by today's standards, it was very different to people of that time and hard to grasp. That's why he's a genius.
@MinisterofScissors Salieri got a bad rap for a deathbed confession of killing Mozart. No one knows that for sure; he was irrational by then. Accomplished fact or wishful thinking? Whatever it was, it became the premise of the screenplay "Amadeus". Salieri and Mozart had the same formal musical training;
Salieri was competent, but Mozart was a God inspired prodigy.
@bookkeeper57 You clearly know more about this subject...most of what I know is from the movie.
Do you think perhaps the fact that Mozart started at a considerably younger age has anything to do with his ability? Inspiration and passion for the subject is undoubtedly very important, but the more time put into doing something makes one much better at doing it.
I think the problem in an objectiv comparison of Mozart and Salieri is that we are looking at Salieris music with a modern and critical aspect cause his music has only been rediscovered since the late 1980s. But our picture of Mozarts music is still influenced by a post-romantic view of the late 19th century. It's always talked about Mozart the genious inspirde by god etc. Not Mozart the "normal" composer who was often inspired by his contemporaries and even composers of the past.
Just look at the big influences of Bach/Händel in Mozarts music or even the borrows he made from Händel for his so highly and "unic" praised requiem. In contrary we look at Salieri today "just" as a hard working/high gifted composer. But the only reason modern musicology isn't talking about him as the godly inspired composer he obviously also was is, that (thanks to God) we've overthrown this romantic vision of the "genius-composer" that sorrowly influences our pictures of Mozart or Beethoven
Credo sia giunto il momento di restituire a questo genio il posto che gli compete e farla finita con questa sciocca leggenda alimentata da fini nazinalistici per esaltare il genio musicale tedesco contro quello italiano.
Era imitato, ammirato, amato dai più grandi compositori. In canto corale era maestro insuperabile ed era sicuramente migliore di Mozart, che da lui prendeva lezioni in questo campo, come anche Beethoven, Liszt e Schubert. Fu anche insegnante dei figli di Mozart.
Il suo stile vocale (insuperabile) è imitato spesso da Mozart: confrontate il Requiem di Salieri e quello di Mozart e vedrete come il Salisburghese imita il grande Salieri.
Salieri was very gifted and seemed to get along with fellow musicians and patrons more so than a Mozart. Salieri is going through a mini revival, and its about time. His compositions are inspired by nature like his role model, Gluck.
Anyway... Salieri is never listed for being one of the composers of his century but I think he was. Was not he? He was tho more famous composer of his times, so it must mean something? no?
And why always compare Mozart to Salieri? Why not compare Mozart to haydn? hummm... Maybe Salieri is more close in genious to Mozart than Haydn? Anyway, Mozart was germanic (austrian) and Salieri was Italian. Than can explain a lot of things.. Maybe the fachist is staying in our mind since the second world war and we cannot see clearly because of it...
@Thrax1982 Exactly, Gluck and early Beethoven have more in common with Salieri (the influence running both ways) than he does to Mozart or Haydn...and why do people just have to go on and on about Mozart/Salieri...plus Salieri's contemporaries thought of him as a German composer because of his stylistic characteristics (especially his heavy use of woodwinds and chorus , his thorough composed arias, his affinity for Gluckian gestures that subordinated the music to the drama in his operas).
Why oh why is Salieri the only composer to EVER be compared with Mozart? Of all composers living at the time, and working in Vienna, Salieri is always saddled with direct comparison.
Mozarl Loves Italy, and Austria is Catholic as Italy, and france very far from Austria, so Mozart makes operas more than ballets, ballets are frenchs. So is natural that Mozart sounds a bit close to Salieri.
Sailorstayfree 1 year ago
salieri is like a wonderful wine.mozart is champagne.sometimes i prefere vine it is more restful!
marcussalieri 1 year ago
Viva Salieri! Let's give this genius his due. He wrote 40 operas which is 40 more than most people wrote including me!
jdewitt77 3 years ago 8
I dont see any logic in naming Mozart genius of all time and forgotting about Saleri, maybe Salieri is worse but really not that much, and being a litle worse to someone named a genius is being excelent...
JediMasterRadek 3 years ago 7
Sure Salieri may have gotten a bad wrap, but he's not as good as Mozart because he didn't have the same grasp of theory that Mozart did. A lot of Mozart's music was very new to people during that time. Although we may not consider it dissonant or "wrong" by today's standards, it was very different to people of that time and hard to grasp. That's why he's a genius.
MinisterofScissors 3 years ago
I would disagree entirely. Salieri and all composers of that time were well versed in music theory. It's just that Mozart was a phenomenon.
jdewitt77 3 years ago 3
@MinisterofScissors Salieri got a bad rap for a deathbed confession of killing Mozart. No one knows that for sure; he was irrational by then. Accomplished fact or wishful thinking? Whatever it was, it became the premise of the screenplay "Amadeus". Salieri and Mozart had the same formal musical training;
Salieri was competent, but Mozart was a God inspired prodigy.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
@bookkeeper57 You clearly know more about this subject...most of what I know is from the movie.
Do you think perhaps the fact that Mozart started at a considerably younger age has anything to do with his ability? Inspiration and passion for the subject is undoubtedly very important, but the more time put into doing something makes one much better at doing it.
drproffessional 1 year ago
Salieri is not worse I feel he is just different. Its like comparing Blue to Purple. Listen to His La follia di Spagna it is phenomenal.
AdmiralPrussia 2 years ago 2
I think the problem in an objectiv comparison of Mozart and Salieri is that we are looking at Salieris music with a modern and critical aspect cause his music has only been rediscovered since the late 1980s. But our picture of Mozarts music is still influenced by a post-romantic view of the late 19th century. It's always talked about Mozart the genious inspirde by god etc. Not Mozart the "normal" composer who was often inspired by his contemporaries and even composers of the past.
Arsamenes1 3 years ago 3
Just look at the big influences of Bach/Händel in Mozarts music or even the borrows he made from Händel for his so highly and "unic" praised requiem. In contrary we look at Salieri today "just" as a hard working/high gifted composer. But the only reason modern musicology isn't talking about him as the godly inspired composer he obviously also was is, that (thanks to God) we've overthrown this romantic vision of the "genius-composer" that sorrowly influences our pictures of Mozart or Beethoven
Arsamenes1 3 years ago
You are correct!!!!
AdmiralPrussia 2 years ago
This is beautiful! I don't think any composer should be compared by another composer but each should be judged on their own merit.
OriginalMoonbeam 3 years ago
Credo sia giunto il momento di restituire a questo genio il posto che gli compete e farla finita con questa sciocca leggenda alimentata da fini nazinalistici per esaltare il genio musicale tedesco contro quello italiano.
laurion69 3 years ago
SALIERI ERA ED E' STREPITOSO
italwines 3 years ago
Era imitato, ammirato, amato dai più grandi compositori. In canto corale era maestro insuperabile ed era sicuramente migliore di Mozart, che da lui prendeva lezioni in questo campo, come anche Beethoven, Liszt e Schubert. Fu anche insegnante dei figli di Mozart.
Il suo stile vocale (insuperabile) è imitato spesso da Mozart: confrontate il Requiem di Salieri e quello di Mozart e vedrete come il Salisburghese imita il grande Salieri.
Lo stesso accade nell'opera.
laurion69 3 years ago
Salieri was very gifted and seemed to get along with fellow musicians and patrons more so than a Mozart. Salieri is going through a mini revival, and its about time. His compositions are inspired by nature like his role model, Gluck.
SteelCorV 3 years ago
Anyway... Salieri is never listed for being one of the composers of his century but I think he was. Was not he? He was tho more famous composer of his times, so it must mean something? no?
mystereous 3 years ago
And why always compare Mozart to Salieri? Why not compare Mozart to haydn? hummm... Maybe Salieri is more close in genious to Mozart than Haydn? Anyway, Mozart was germanic (austrian) and Salieri was Italian. Than can explain a lot of things.. Maybe the fachist is staying in our mind since the second world war and we cannot see clearly because of it...
mystereous 3 years ago
Salieri's style is quite unique but probably a lot closer to Gluck than to Mozart.
Thrax1982 3 years ago
he couldn't avoid this... he was a fervent fanatic of gluck. just listen to the danaides.
doctormantell 3 years ago
@Thrax1982 Exactly, Gluck and early Beethoven have more in common with Salieri (the influence running both ways) than he does to Mozart or Haydn...and why do people just have to go on and on about Mozart/Salieri...plus Salieri's contemporaries thought of him as a German composer because of his stylistic characteristics (especially his heavy use of woodwinds and chorus , his thorough composed arias, his affinity for Gluckian gestures that subordinated the music to the drama in his operas).
amicus1766 11 months ago
To jsaltod:
But you know, in the 20e century, we get VERY BRAIN WASHED by Mozart music so we cannot appreciate Salieri's music for what it is!
mystereous 3 years ago
Salieri!
rolandwj 3 years ago
Because Salieri isn't so interesting the same as mozart.
jsaltod 3 years ago
Why cant people just listen to Salieri for what he was? a very gifted composer.
Meyerbeer1 3 years ago
mozart is better!
jsaltod 3 years ago
Why oh why is Salieri the only composer to EVER be compared with Mozart? Of all composers living at the time, and working in Vienna, Salieri is always saddled with direct comparison.
nordenfan 3 years ago 2
Because he's the only contemporary of Mozart that most people can actually name (excluding Haydn of course)
Thrax1982 3 years ago
wonderfull!!!!
haydnsalieri8 3 years ago
Salieri was a great composer!
JMSCHAEL 3 years ago