Having 1000 plus Imams signing a document condemning terrorism is not enough. On Christmas Day Christians were massacred in Nigeria. Christians had to flee Iraq for their lives driven out by Muslims during the US Occupation. Iraq had one of the most ancient Christian communities. There is a more militant Islam emerging. Shiite and Sunni may start civil war in Iraq. Islam is not the answer.
"...Tim McVeigh, well known Christian..." Anyone who attempts to draw any moral equivalence between McVeigh and any muslim terrorist discredits themselves immediately. Anyone who paid even surface-level attention to the Oklahoma bombing knows McVeigh was motivated by his hatred of the federal government. McVeigh rarely discussed religion. Clearly McVeigh can be called a terrorist. But he acted virtually alone and did not commit his crime in the name of or to further any religion.
So much hate from commenters. What would Jesus do? I doubt he would persecute an entire population of people based on the actions of a few. Isn't judging people the job of your creator? I'm having a hard time finding in the Bible any passages that instruct followers to persecute others...
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Ghandi
Why does Senator King need extra security to protect him from Islam, the "religion of peace"? Oh wait, it's because Islam is NOT a religion of peace. It's a parasitic plagarism of Judeo-Christian texts.
Congratulations America, you have a Fucking Dunk, Alcoholic, drinks too much, drunk, alcohol sucking DRUNK, setting security policies and evaluating your Constitution. Ha, Ha, Ha, how’s that New World Order and Policed State working out for ya in your new AMERIKA.
I find it very interesting that Asshole King would appear on FOX to express his discontent with the Mosque, when the 2nd largest Shareholder in the FOX empire is Prince Alwaleed of Saudi Arabia who’s own foundation “The Kingdom Foundation” has donated millions of dollars to the building of the Mosque. Why doesn’t he mention this in his interview with FOX? Asshole King is a Cocksucker.
Citizen Spy Networks to get immunity: House Homeland Security Chairman Pete King introduced the “See Something, Say Something Act” as a shield for those that tip off authorities of potential extremists, in case they report innocent people.
King has introduced a bill that will protect any individual involved in any snoop campaign from lawsuits brought by innocent people wrongly accused of being terrorists or extremists.
I really hate how Republicans only hold up the values of the Constitution when its convenient. If the TEA party protests its freedom fighting but when anyone remotely related to a union does it its stirring up trouble.
That's the reason I hate FOX so much: it's a place where a self-centered politician can come on and spew fear-driven attacks and point fingers at unpopular demographics, and the host of the show says in response, "I love it!"
Why do we throw so many bones to these dogs? Why is FOX news allowed to have such an influence over a sizeable portion of American citizens? I wouldn't care too much about it save for the fact that they are indeed tweaking the mindset of many Amerians towards mistrust.
Let's keep it up and we too will have "no go" zones in this country just like they do in Europe.... Oh, don't know what a "no go" zone is??? Look it up... Fox news didn't create these zones... This isn't a left right issue. Do some unbiased research into what radical Muslim organizations have done to areas of France and the UK...
Please watch on my channel “Innocents Betrayed The History of Gun Control” and my heart goes out to families that are hurt by this tragedy. I would have helped protect you with my ar-15 against that bad guy if I was was there.
Please watch on my channel “Innocents Betrayed The History of Gun Control” and my heart goes out to families that are hurt by this tragedy. I would have helped protect you with my ar-15 against that bad guy if I was was there.
I find it hard to believe that two educated men can be so naive and ignorant (comparing Tim McVay and 911). This is a case of "the blind leading the stupid". Tell me this genius, did any Christian organization stake claim or applaud the Oklahoma City or Olympic bombings? Typical loud mouth, spineless fools that are afraid to speak or face the truth. I guarantee both would tuck their tails and run the first sign of trouble, hoping someone else would cover their butt.....
@singing4thelord22 Then what is the truth, pray-tell? Is the truth that we segregate and discriminate ALL Muslims because less than half of 1% of them are terrorists? Its so ironic that Americans whine about how some Muslims teach their children to hate America, yet Americans teach their children to hate Islam.
Get a clue about Islamic extremists TYT. Why build a Mosque right next to a place where Islamic Extremists killed thousands of civilians, when there is plenty of other space on the grounds of the USA. What insensitivity. This was a religious terror act by the Islamic Extremists. This is disgraceful and idiotic to even think about building a mosque there.
iT IS NOT DISCRIMINATION IT IS NATIONAL SECURITY. THE TERRORISM GOES ON IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. DONT FORGET THE MOST RECENT ATTACKS SOME FAILED, BUT SOME SUCCEDED.
NO MORE MOSQUES. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY. YOU CANT BUILD A CHURCH OR A TEMPLE IN THEIR COUNTRY. WE CANT EVEN GO TO MECCA. COMMON GET WITH THE PROGRAM. US IS NOT ISLAMIC
Cenk is such a damn fool. Turkey is the joke of the EU and all of the EU laughs at their ass-backwards ways. Cenk is a joke, and if you believe much of what he says you are one as well.
Amend the constitution to state that there will be freedom of religion as long as your religion does not constitute a threat to the nation or it's people. All across this nation you can walk up to any Baptist or Catholic church and walk in the front door. Why are so many mosque locked up and sitting behind locked gates.
Gentlemen, seriously, it is no longer the 7th century. We can read. We're aware of the doctrines of abrogation, taqiyya, jihad, etc. We know that your prophet whom you are to emulate as the supreme exemplar married a 6 year old, consummating that marriage when the child was 9 yrs old. You are to obey Qur'an. Off with non-believers' heads ... unless they convert. We know history ... Saladin? Those who reject truth will believe you, but not the rest of us. Eternity never ends. Hell is forever.
Gentlemen, seriously, it is no longer the 7th century. We can read. We're aware of the doctrines of abrogation, taqiyya, jihad, etc. We know that your prophet whom you are to emulate as the supreme exemplar married a 6 year old, consummating that marriage when the child was 9 yrs old. You are to obey Qur'an. Off with non-believers' heads ... unless they convert. We know history ... Saladin? Those who reject truth will believe you, but not the rest of us. Eternity never ends. Hell is forever.
The people who actually don't see a problem with it are obviously never going to see that it has nothing to do with the first amendment. How is it fair that the Greek Orthodox church has not been rebuilt, as it was there prior to 9/11. They have been trying but have been unsuccessful, and it is known where their money is coming from.
I agree they should not build a mosque near ground zero, as long as they don't build a Catholic church near schools or playgrounds......(I'm kidding of course).
How are Islamic religious leaders supposed to express their opposition to terrorist attacks? The news media does not exactly welcome them. If they do get on a news interview they are prosecuted and blamed and humiliated by the hosts. Then these same hosts join the clamour that they speak out.
well it not a well known fact that Islamic religious leaders have access to Islamic Converting TV channels, and what about Islamic leaders abroad!!! total silent
@Kalahridudex Meh, well, I'm proud to say it will be up 10 years after 9/11. To be completely honest, if Draw Muhammad(sws) day never occurred, I really would have a different answer to this.
New Yorkers have become pussies. NYC approved a mega-mosque at ground zero, it shows that New York City has become another place where American has become weak and vulnerable. Radical Islam will hit us (using stealth jihad or some other jihad) where we are the weakest. NYC has become the city in the country where people are now the quickest to bend over when radical islam says bend over. NYC may have forgotten 9/11 but most Americans will not forget.
How is this OFFENSIVE to the victims of 9/11? NOOOOOO.... It's actually offensive to real Muslims! WHat are you saying? Muslims are terrorists? We were responsible?
Apparently this ignorance is put into the minds of HOPELESS AMERICANS by the fuckin media! KNOW BEFORE YOU SPEAK - that's to the dumbasses!
NYC should assign a prosecutor to look into the community board members who voted for approving the godzilla mosque next to Ground Zero. Likely, their votes were bought be either CAIR or some other radical muslim organization.
@Codger45caliber where are you from? New York? If not you shout shut up. We New Yorkers lived 911 in real life. We didn't watch it on TV. We also lead the country in BEING ATTACKED BY TERRORISTS. Go fuck yourself pussy.
I think building a mosque near Ground Zero would be a beautiful acknowledgement of the fact that radical Islam is not shared by the majority of muslims. For them to have a place of prayer close to the rubbles of 9/11 would serve to shed light on both sides of the islamic faith. So that when you visited as a tourist you wouldn't only see the horrific damages done by some people who happened to be muslim, but would also see the peaceful, everyday, regular Americans who also happen to be muslim.
What a complete punch in the stomach. I am furious at this attempt to appease Islamic pigs. To give the ones who would strap bombs to their balls and children to kill us a place to pray for strength to continue is an outrage.
I would never have been shut up, my voice would have been heard loud and clear.
To build a mosque so close to the Islamic pigs attack is beyond words. To let them build a house of prayer next to their greatest attack is beyond imagination.
All religious nuts going on about how offensive every other religion but their own is. Why can't they get into their heads that their own religion is no less offensive than the ones they are condemning?
Seems to me that terrorists seek to create shock and fear, it also seems that a lot of people in the U.S. are full of irrational fears created by these incidents, bravo to those with cool heads, and may the rest of you overcome your cowardice and apply rational thinking to your borderline schizophrenic views.
I wonder if it would be possible to build a church, a mosque, and a synagogue in on that WTC site to at least appease people from all sides of the argument.
@facemobb954 , you're just making up myths and lies about atheism. Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Mussolini, Harris and Klebold were all atheist, and they were all mass murderers. Atheism doesn't lead to understanding of anything; the more I listen to atheists, the more it becomes clear they are as arrogant, ignorant and violent as those they condemn.
Alright these guys are the worst. This country was founded on religious freedom and what they are doing is a direct attack on Muslims in this country. Of course they will slam Muslims. However as a Christian I must say I am disgusted by these people.
and the timothy mcveigh argument.. how stupid is that? he didn't bomb the murrah building on the basis of his christianity, he was a white supremacist conspiracy nut!
@SinnFein4ever he never once attacked the Bill of Rights. In fact, all he did was state that the first amendment makes it illegal to prevent a mosque being built, even if it is offensive.
The mosque is exactly what the place needs \o/, especially one for the more progressive islam that goes well with western democracy and values. If that's a slap in the face, that face belongs to those radical islamists who support terrorism. Good thing that. Thumbs up for the mosque!
I can't believe i'm saying this but i'm on the side of Fox on this one. Not about should it be built there but the fact that Cenk is doing what Fox usually does and twist things around. The guy explicitly said we should not blame all Muslims for the actions of a few but Cenk goes and says that he insinuated that. Second the guy just pointed out there is no legal way to stop them cause putting it up falls within the 1st amendment. He never said the 1st should be ignored. Dirty pool Cenk.
@tical2399 I am by no means a lover of fox but i believe in being honest and fair if the guy had said something stupid and Cenk jumped on him them its all good, but from what i saw in that clip the guy said nothing wrong other than he didn't personally want the mosque there. Other than that he just pointed out 1 fact (its allowed to be build based on 1st amendment) and said we shouldn't blame all Muslims. Cenk, you're at at 10 you need to be at a 2
I think that the congregation should be sensative of the situation and not build the mosque, but instead build a community center with the goal of religious tolerance. Such as a place where all religious holidays are celebrated with representatives of all major faiths, sharing and reaching out to their neighbors. A mosque distracts by exclusion, a community center allows outreach
mcveigh was quoted as saying he had core beliefs of catholicism, but science was his religion.
also, if anyone would bother reading up on why he did what he did and the ties to the FBI he had, you'd see it was anything but a religious provoked attack or terrorist act.
Actually Christian Mission is half right. McVeigh wasn't a Christian. He was an agnostic. I'm not a Christian or a Christian apologist by the way, just letting you know the facts.
i can agree with cenks point but building a mosque at the site of 9/11.....thats just a provocation i'm sorry but its really not a good idea. maybe i'm a little predjudiced i don't know, theres only so long i can say "it's not the whole religion". listen they can build mosques heres but this would be like building a monument to the japanese empire at pearl harbor. it's just hugely bad taste.
If a white man commits a terrible crime, should other white men carry the blame? Should being a white man near the scene of the crime be labelled "disgustingly insensitive"? Even if the white man responsible claimed to be doing it "in the name of the white race", would that mean that other white males should be treated as if they're guilty for his crime?
If not, then specifically what is your problem with innocent Muslims practising their religion there?
You know, I've typed about four versions of this comment defending my position, but I actually started thinking about it, and it reminded me of a point one of my friends made. The goal of these terrorist attacks on 9/11 was to make us change our way of life, and honestly, in some significant ways, they've succeeded. Why make it worse? I still think this mosque building is insensitive, but if they build it and then use it to show people that not all Muslims are evil, I'll back them.
There was no problem with Muslims before, so I don't see why there should be one after a bunch of sick fucks murdered thousands of people and claimed to be doing it for Islam. They're the ones that deserve to suffer, not regular folks.
How can you agree with Cenk's points if you directly disagree with his stance and argument?
If you have a problem with innocent Americans practising their religion then deal with it because it's your own unfounded prejudice. Am I wrong? Is it not unfounded?
It's not like building a monument to the Japanese empire, a monument is there solely to make a statement. This is solely for people to practise their religion - they didn't cause 9/11, and it's that simple.
This is diffucult, I agree with both sides to an extent. I am offended by religious people in General, Muslims want me to die and Christians want me to live an eternity in hell, both are malicious and I can't stand mosques or churches. But we do have this first amendment which is crap when it come to religion, imo. Why should we give special treatment to people who belive in imaginary things in the sky?
have you been in the middle east they don't care that christrains die. muslims be leave in the will of god. in arabic its called "inshala" if alla wells it. they see it as alla punishing christains. its happening in erouope and its starting in america these muslims use PC bull crap to gain more and more power. let me see you go to saudi or anyother muslim country and see if they do shit for christains.
McVeigh was an atheist not Christian."American Terrorist: Tomothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing" states he made his atheism known on his death bed.
The Oklahoma bombing didnt have world consequences.
Why not just build the Afghanistan embassy on ground zero?
Also, I am a bit concerned that the Muslim faith, generally, isnt that moderated yet. I know a few 3rd generation Muslims that are not that very religious, but still think its okay to disown there daughter if they do not marry a Muslim... and no, they dont talk with a ascent, nor have they or there parents ever lived in their origin country.
fuck this stupid controversy about the mosque being built next to ground zero. there's fucking churches all OVER this fucking country. 9/11 is fucking piss water compared to how many native americans the europeans raped and murdered in the imperialistic settlement of America.
@MrMagneticPelican that was not done in the name of christianitty, whereas the bombers of 9/11 were saying the shahada while they drove the plane into the ground. there's a big difference.
bullshit it wasn't done in the name of christianity, do you want to tell that to the native americans who grew up on the catholic reservations who had their culture stripped from them? or you want to tell that to native americans who were attacked in the name of manifest destiny being preached by christian churches?
The difference is that the 9/11 attacks were religion based. I think the guy is completely right about the fact that Muslim leaders should have spoken out against terrorism. By keeping silent they made it seem like they supported muslim extremism. The fact that terrorists used Islam as a justification for killing thousands of Americans and destroying the world trade center, makes it offensive to build a mosque right at ground zero.
@acohen797 On a side not what if another group of crazed individuals had used some other religion (i.e. Christianity) to justify an act of terrorism. Would you in that case have considered it offensive to build a church there (no matter how tenuous a connection between Christianity and their justification for the act existed)?
cenk you're a dumbass, I usually agree with you, but this time you say stuff which the guy clearly didn't. he says that because of the first amendment you can do anything, also he says that the handful of terrorists arent equal to the rest of muslims. the kevin rudolph point is good. the point of imams is good too.
Will they let us build a church two blocks from their holy site in Mecca? Or anywhere in the middle east for that matter? This is not just in bad taste, this is their way to thumb their noses at the west.
@bosatsu76 There are plenty of churches in the middle east if you've been there. You really want to devolve American free speech rights to the level of Saudi Arabia (where Mecca is located) and compare the two. Yea they might not allow it cuz they dont have the first amendment guaranteeing free speech!! Would the Vatican allow a mosque in the Vatican City, dunno, will have to put a call in to Ratzinger.
@acohen797 I'll bet you anything that these churches predated Islam's arrival. And furthermore, I'll bet that there is only about 1/10th as many churches now as there were 500 years ago.
@bosatsu76 Yea and pagan temples preceded Christian churches in Europe, so? What exactly does any of what you just said have to do with whether the mosque should be allowed to be built near the 9/11 attacks? Let me save you the response time, nothing. I was responding to the fact that you either LIED (or didn't know shit about shit) in your initial post by saying "they" wouldn't let "us" build a church in the middle east.
I agree with their right to put a mosque where ever they can afford to build one, but still, it's in poor taste. I'd ask them nicely to build it somewhere else.
@667985 i could see the senator's point as well. it would be tough if you lost loved ones there and had to walk past a mosque on a daily basis as well. yes, they have every legal right to put it there. but just because it's legal doesnt mean it's necessarily a good idea
@acohen797 i think it's more emotional than rational. hard to explain it. sort of like if they planted a japanese flag and monument at pearl harbor shortly after WWII had ended. that's a bad analogy i know, but it sort of illustrates the point i guess.
@isaachaze1 Well just my 2 cents but I think if we let emotion rather than rationality dictate our public policy then we're headed in a dangerous direction. In terms of being emotionally affected I can understand that I guess but then we should ask why we are emotionally affected and if despite our best intentions the media has successfully manipulated our thoughts to link the 9/11 tragedy with Islam/Muslims in general.
@acohen797 Moreover, The mere parroting of the line that "our course not all Muslims are terrorists." If we truly believe this then we must exhibit this belief in our actions (i.e. allowing free expressions which would include the construction of religious institutions)
@acohen797 i'm not sure that it's a matter of public policy. more just a matter of discretion on the part of the people that want to build a mosque there. 9/11 IS linked to islam/muslims, whether people like that or not. no religion, no people flying planes into our buildings. it's pretty much that simple i think. but i do know it's a bit more complicated than that. they have the right to put a mosque there. people have a right to react badly to that decision as well
@isaachaze1 True enough, linked to the extent that the people who did the crime that day claimed to be inspired to do so by Islam. I agree with your last point generally depending on what you mean by "react badly" and if that may involve violence against the mosque (i.e. vandalism) or against the families who did attend that mosque. I would also be curious to see why the specific group is building the mosque there. Is there a large Muslim pop in the area or what their reason is exactly?
@acohen797 well, i think it goes a bit beyond, "claim[ing] to be inspired to do so by islam". no, i don't advocate violence or vandalism. but if people need to vent by expressing their opinions and feelings about the mosque, i have no problem with that. and islam makes no secret that it intends to take over the world, so i'm sure that's part of the agenda in putting the mosque there :)
@isaachaze1 Umm yea, I was about to respond with something substantive until I read the line that said "Islam...intends to take over the world" which is when my eyes glazed over and I realized I was having a convo with a zealot who throws around such phrases instead of rationally focusing on the facts of individual cases. Have fun in you narrow ideology, the rest of us us will be outside when you grow up.
@acohen797 ummm, yea, i'm not the zealot; i'm just a guy that wants to be left alone and rescues stray dogs :). i don't really have an "ideology" per se. and i've paid my dues in life, seen a lot and pretty much already "grown up," but thanks for the condescension. anyway, maybe someday you'll wake up and figure out what's going on. until then, cheers :)
@isaachaze1 Holy shit! You rescue stray dogs? Sorry didn't know. Let me retract everything I just said cuz the stray dog thing was relevant to the discussion. Oh and by the way, maybe you might be so kind as to grant that desire you have of wanting "to be left alone" to the rest of society (i.e. the group who wants to build the mosque). Your welcome for the condescension by the way.
@acohen797 so glad you see my point with the stray dog thing ;). anyway, i'm not interfering with anyone's right to build a mosque anywhere they want (except on any property i own of course). also, pray and grovel to any silly-ass gods you want, and i won't say a word. hell, you can even exercise your right to be a total and complete prick on some youtube board, and i probably won't say anything ;).
@isaachaze1 I'm glad that you won't interfere with anyone's right to build a mosque somewhere. The only situation IMO that could justify rejecting that right would be if I thought that they had some violent intention like if i felt that, "islam intends to take over the world" and that putting the mosque there is the first step. Good thing I don't believe that. You and me both should watch out for people with such unsubstantiated beliefs.
@acohen797 BTW I'm agnostic but yea I don't mind people doing things I don't believe in like liking. Also, I can see from your youtube page (which I guess, I should have checked out in the beginning) that you have no overt bias against or obsession with Muslims and if I in any way suggested that I apologize. Thanks for the permission to be a prick. It's nice to receive permission from one who is uniquely positioned to bestow such a license.
@acohen797 wow, now you're putting words in my mouth. i never said, or implied, that putting the mosque there was the first step. anyway, you're very naive about the islamic agenda. it's not exactly a secret and they openly state that is their goal. believe me, i'm ALWAYS watching out for people and their unsubstantiated beliefs. the're everywhere and they often seem to be insisting that i be aware of their beliefs. never sure why i should be exactly.
@isaachaze1 Isn't it awesome when you can just quote someone's own words to refute something. You previously wrote: "islam makes no secret that it intends to take over the world, so i'm sure that's part of the agenda in putting the mosque there." Don't you ever get tired or embarrassed by being called our on your bullshit. Your right, you said it was "part" of their agenda, Maybe you already think they're on step 500, I wouldn't put it past you based on the videos in your channel.
@acohen797 Finally, your bullshit hallucinations about the "Islamic agenda" sounds familiar. It's the same bullshit conspiracy theories behind the "Protocol of the Elders of Zion" that your replicating replacing Jews with Muslims. Please spare us your ridiculous paranoia.
@isaachaze1 Yea I didn't get a youtube channel to project my worldview to the world in a desperate attempt to find some assholes who feel similar to me to be my friends. I joined so I could watch videos that were restricted to younger viewers like several on the young turks. As for your juvenile name calling, it might be amusing if it was the least bit creative. I'll leave you to it.
@acohen797 wow, dumbass, did you notice the ":)" after my comment? good those two characters used in conjunction with each other placed after comments, if you're really as clueless about that as you are about the goals of islam. anyway, you don't seem to have any real point or position and no one knows wtf you are trying to say, defend or rebut. when you grow some testicles and can articulate a clear position, let me know. i won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen :)
@acohen797 you haven't indicated anything about yourself. you seem to be here just to get attention, which is strange given your youtube identity is pretty much completely anonymous. whatever. have fun doing, well, whatevertf it is you do. but yes, if you're a woman, i suppose i should say, "try to pretend you have testicles" or something like that.
@isaachaze1 Anyone reading this exchange can hopefully come to their own conclusions about which one of us was the sane one in this conversation. I'm not the one with the insane conspiracy theories or mind racked with paranoia about Muslims taking over the world
@acohen797 no one cares dude (or dudette) lol. anyway, bury your head in the sand if you must about islam and other organized religions. just don't expect everyone else to pluck their heads in the sand next to yours. the muslims make no secret of their intentions. but you seem to enjoy being argumentative solely for the sake of being argumentative, with no real points to make. that gets old after awhile. cheers :)
oh god they are gonna build it within walking distance.Should we also be against building any mosques within flight distance because that would really be a slap in the face
First commandment: "I am the Lord your God You shall have no other gods before me" Build the Muslim Temple i dont give a damn as long as they dont start creating violence withing the church or start making hate speeches against the U.S. Dont blame the Muslims blame the idiots that used that religion as violence.
its just the fact that it brings back bad memories.....i mean cmon, why, of all places YYYYY there??? there aren't enough places to build mosques???? seriously, would you build a Japanese center near Pearl Harbor???
w/e, japanese shinto temple, meaning s/t that is sacred to the offending party etc etc. the point is it evokes bad feelings, and there are plenty of places to build a huge mosque, or symbolizes the motivation for the attack.
@deveousdevil What was your point exactly? Did you have one? By the way, next time you pass by your local church or mosque be sure to wag your finger and ask them to tear it down. A native American village was probably destroyed on the spot. What was that? Too long ago? What's the cutoff? You decide? Ok cool, just thought I'd get the rules straight about when they can build their religious institutions. P.S. How did you know my name? (capitalize that shit next time)
clever. the point is i dont want a reminder of the reason those towers were destroyed. mosques are being built like crazy all over the US and Europe, but still, it's never enough for muslims, they need every spot they can take right? of all the places y there?? u expect me to believe they aren't trying to rub themselves in everyone's face, like they have in Britain with their fucking shariah courts??
@deveousdevil You don't want the reminder. Ok. I just think public policy such as building permits shouldn't be determined by your whims. Also interesting that your position shifted from your first comment where you stated that "there aren't enough places to build mosques?" and now you say that "they need to take every spot they can take right?" I think more of your underlying motivation might be leaking through slowly though unintentionally.
@acohen797 I don't expect you to believe anything.Maybe that's why they are building it for that reason, so what? They could equally be hesitant to build it out of fear that the families attending might be attacked or that the mosque might be vandalized. Divining motivations is tricky work? Fortunately, following the first amendment is more straightforward.
???? my position hasnt shifted i just said the same thing with different words, that there are plenty of places to build a mosque and they are building them constantly so y there?
and i never said their building should depend on my 'whims', but it exposes THEIR motivations that they don't want to consider how there mosque effects anyone else, they only focus on the fact that they want their mosque there, everyone else, fuck off.
@deveousdevil I don't know their motivations. I haven't heard their side of the story. Maybe there is a large Muslim community in the area. I'm willing to admit that I don't know their motivation rather than jump to conclusions about their motivation as you seem to.
@acohen797 I was really hesitant to write that last reply because that "fuck off" you wrote sort of intimidated me but I somehow worked up the courage.
Having 1000 plus Imams signing a document condemning terrorism is not enough. On Christmas Day Christians were massacred in Nigeria. Christians had to flee Iraq for their lives driven out by Muslims during the US Occupation. Iraq had one of the most ancient Christian communities. There is a more militant Islam emerging. Shiite and Sunni may start civil war in Iraq. Islam is not the answer.
jatv2 1 month ago
Does GOP stand for Group of Retards?
DMiyash248 9 months ago
1 year ago exactly I thought this was from today!
Laughtraxx 9 months ago
"...Tim McVeigh, well known Christian..." Anyone who attempts to draw any moral equivalence between McVeigh and any muslim terrorist discredits themselves immediately. Anyone who paid even surface-level attention to the Oklahoma bombing knows McVeigh was motivated by his hatred of the federal government. McVeigh rarely discussed religion. Clearly McVeigh can be called a terrorist. But he acted virtually alone and did not commit his crime in the name of or to further any religion.
tocof1 10 months ago
So much hate from commenters. What would Jesus do? I doubt he would persecute an entire population of people based on the actions of a few. Isn't judging people the job of your creator? I'm having a hard time finding in the Bible any passages that instruct followers to persecute others...
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Ghandi
masonts 11 months ago
Why does Senator King need extra security to protect him from Islam, the "religion of peace"? Oh wait, it's because Islam is NOT a religion of peace. It's a parasitic plagarism of Judeo-Christian texts.
OMNIDESTRUCTION 11 months ago
Congratulations America, you have a Fucking Dunk, Alcoholic, drinks too much, drunk, alcohol sucking DRUNK, setting security policies and evaluating your Constitution. Ha, Ha, Ha, how’s that New World Order and Policed State working out for ya in your new AMERIKA.
biorgymd 11 months ago
I find it very interesting that Asshole King would appear on FOX to express his discontent with the Mosque, when the 2nd largest Shareholder in the FOX empire is Prince Alwaleed of Saudi Arabia who’s own foundation “The Kingdom Foundation” has donated millions of dollars to the building of the Mosque. Why doesn’t he mention this in his interview with FOX? Asshole King is a Cocksucker.
biorgymd 11 months ago
****BREAKING NEWS*****
Citizen Spy Networks to get immunity: House Homeland Security Chairman Pete King introduced the “See Something, Say Something Act” as a shield for those that tip off authorities of potential extremists, in case they report innocent people.
King has introduced a bill that will protect any individual involved in any snoop campaign from lawsuits brought by innocent people wrongly accused of being terrorists or extremists.
Google report for full stroy.
biorgymd 11 months ago
I really hate how Republicans only hold up the values of the Constitution when its convenient. If the TEA party protests its freedom fighting but when anyone remotely related to a union does it its stirring up trouble.
34601k 11 months ago
That's the reason I hate FOX so much: it's a place where a self-centered politician can come on and spew fear-driven attacks and point fingers at unpopular demographics, and the host of the show says in response, "I love it!"
Why do we throw so many bones to these dogs? Why is FOX news allowed to have such an influence over a sizeable portion of American citizens? I wouldn't care too much about it save for the fact that they are indeed tweaking the mindset of many Amerians towards mistrust.
heysteve84 11 months ago
this guy is a fool ! check out his latest comments about groups of Americans
dont shame yourselves NYers vote this guy out of office
Chaz770 11 months ago
Let's keep it up and we too will have "no go" zones in this country just like they do in Europe.... Oh, don't know what a "no go" zone is??? Look it up... Fox news didn't create these zones... This isn't a left right issue. Do some unbiased research into what radical Muslim organizations have done to areas of France and the UK...
imax1971 11 months ago
29 people are to dumb to understand anything other than what FOX NEWS tells them.
carnypimp 1 year ago 2
@carnypimp fox news is the best cnn and abc and all then shit N librals , obama loving dumb
nofacesniper 1 year ago
@nofacesniper LMAO I have seen preschool kids smarter than Glenn beck.
carnypimp 1 year ago
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Please watch on my channel “Innocents Betrayed The History of Gun Control” and my heart goes out to families that are hurt by this tragedy. I would have helped protect you with my ar-15 against that bad guy if I was was there.
hicama10 1 year ago
Please watch on my channel “Innocents Betrayed The History of Gun Control” and my heart goes out to families that are hurt by this tragedy. I would have helped protect you with my ar-15 against that bad guy if I was was there.
hicama10 1 year ago
look at all tehse peopel who dont seem to grasp the first amendment.
TheJoelef 1 year ago
Can a couple of blocks really be described as "walking distance" for much of the american population?
hedersknyffeln 1 year ago 20
@hedersknyffeln not anymore.
whatthefuck386 1 year ago
I find it hard to believe that two educated men can be so naive and ignorant (comparing Tim McVay and 911). This is a case of "the blind leading the stupid". Tell me this genius, did any Christian organization stake claim or applaud the Oklahoma City or Olympic bombings? Typical loud mouth, spineless fools that are afraid to speak or face the truth. I guarantee both would tuck their tails and run the first sign of trouble, hoping someone else would cover their butt.....
singing4thelord22 1 year ago
@singing4thelord22 Then what is the truth, pray-tell? Is the truth that we segregate and discriminate ALL Muslims because less than half of 1% of them are terrorists? Its so ironic that Americans whine about how some Muslims teach their children to hate America, yet Americans teach their children to hate Islam.
GooGobbler113 1 year ago
Get a clue about Islamic extremists TYT. Why build a Mosque right next to a place where Islamic Extremists killed thousands of civilians, when there is plenty of other space on the grounds of the USA. What insensitivity. This was a religious terror act by the Islamic Extremists. This is disgraceful and idiotic to even think about building a mosque there.
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Liquidirt 1 year ago
iT IS NOT DISCRIMINATION IT IS NATIONAL SECURITY. THE TERRORISM GOES ON IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. DONT FORGET THE MOST RECENT ATTACKS SOME FAILED, BUT SOME SUCCEDED.
NO MORE MOSQUES. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY. YOU CANT BUILD A CHURCH OR A TEMPLE IN THEIR COUNTRY. WE CANT EVEN GO TO MECCA. COMMON GET WITH THE PROGRAM. US IS NOT ISLAMIC
mich4244 1 year ago
Are -all- Turks as dumb as you? God, I hope not.
You need to look up the saying: Apples to Apples - Oranges to Oranges. Try (try) to visualize what it actually means, if you can.
AesopsRetreat 1 year ago
Cenk is such a damn fool. Turkey is the joke of the EU and all of the EU laughs at their ass-backwards ways. Cenk is a joke, and if you believe much of what he says you are one as well.
mtb416 1 year ago
Amend the constitution to state that there will be freedom of religion as long as your religion does not constitute a threat to the nation or it's people. All across this nation you can walk up to any Baptist or Catholic church and walk in the front door. Why are so many mosque locked up and sitting behind locked gates.
mysecaddiction 1 year ago
Wow! You must be jesus because you know exactly what people are feeling in their hearts despite what they say.
Gee, can we judge you too because every show slams everyone who is not a lefty?
What a turd.
notthistimenet 1 year ago
Gentlemen, seriously, it is no longer the 7th century. We can read. We're aware of the doctrines of abrogation, taqiyya, jihad, etc. We know that your prophet whom you are to emulate as the supreme exemplar married a 6 year old, consummating that marriage when the child was 9 yrs old. You are to obey Qur'an. Off with non-believers' heads ... unless they convert. We know history ... Saladin? Those who reject truth will believe you, but not the rest of us. Eternity never ends. Hell is forever.
OffensiveandPeculiar 1 year ago
Gentlemen, seriously, it is no longer the 7th century. We can read. We're aware of the doctrines of abrogation, taqiyya, jihad, etc. We know that your prophet whom you are to emulate as the supreme exemplar married a 6 year old, consummating that marriage when the child was 9 yrs old. You are to obey Qur'an. Off with non-believers' heads ... unless they convert. We know history ... Saladin? Those who reject truth will believe you, but not the rest of us. Eternity never ends. Hell is forever.
OffensiveandPeculiar 1 year ago
The people who actually don't see a problem with it are obviously never going to see that it has nothing to do with the first amendment. How is it fair that the Greek Orthodox church has not been rebuilt, as it was there prior to 9/11. They have been trying but have been unsuccessful, and it is known where their money is coming from.
ericjlein 1 year ago
Peter king said a couple hundred muslims died in that attack - it was 59 muslims.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
I agree they should not build a mosque near ground zero, as long as they don't build a Catholic church near schools or playgrounds......(I'm kidding of course).
ashif786 1 year ago
If they can't build a mosque within walking distance of ground zero fine. They better not build any churches or synogogues there either, right?
spinnersmetal 1 year ago
How are Islamic religious leaders supposed to express their opposition to terrorist attacks? The news media does not exactly welcome them. If they do get on a news interview they are prosecuted and blamed and humiliated by the hosts. Then these same hosts join the clamour that they speak out.
klard 1 year ago 7
@klard
well it not a well known fact that Islamic religious leaders have access to Islamic Converting TV channels, and what about Islamic leaders abroad!!! total silent
Sailinstorm 1 year ago
you can't build a mosque near ground zero. im a hard core secularist and even i think this is wayy to offensive.
if an attack is made in the name of christ, dont build a church there either.
Kalahridudex 1 year ago
@Kalahridudex Meh, well, I'm proud to say it will be up 10 years after 9/11. To be completely honest, if Draw Muhammad(sws) day never occurred, I really would have a different answer to this.
xArabianxBeastx 1 year ago
New Yorkers have become pussies. NYC approved a mega-mosque at ground zero, it shows that New York City has become another place where American has become weak and vulnerable. Radical Islam will hit us (using stealth jihad or some other jihad) where we are the weakest. NYC has become the city in the country where people are now the quickest to bend over when radical islam says bend over. NYC may have forgotten 9/11 but most Americans will not forget.
joebidensanass 1 year ago
How is this OFFENSIVE to the victims of 9/11? NOOOOOO.... It's actually offensive to real Muslims! WHat are you saying? Muslims are terrorists? We were responsible?
Apparently this ignorance is put into the minds of HOPELESS AMERICANS by the fuckin media! KNOW BEFORE YOU SPEAK - that's to the dumbasses!
arzama1 1 year ago 2
NYC should assign a prosecutor to look into the community board members who voted for approving the godzilla mosque next to Ground Zero. Likely, their votes were bought be either CAIR or some other radical muslim organization.
bb44332211 1 year ago
the old guy said it lol i was thinking the same thing about OK
TenRoc382k9 1 year ago
Everyone can now recognize that
NEW YORK CITY leads the country in GIVING IN to the TERRORISTS.
We all can now see and know that
NEW YORK CITY is leading the country in the Islamization of America.
Codger45caliber 1 year ago
@Codger45caliber where are you from? New York? If not you shout shut up. We New Yorkers lived 911 in real life. We didn't watch it on TV. We also lead the country in BEING ATTACKED BY TERRORISTS. Go fuck yourself pussy.
DoctorTachyon 1 year ago
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@Codger45caliber
"Everyone can now recognize that
NEW YORK CITY leads the country in GIVING IN to the TERRORISTS.
We all can now see and know that
NEW YORK CITY is leading the country in the Islamization of America."
Just as we can see your failing at leading the country in making America fascist.
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bb44332211 1 year ago
I think building a mosque near Ground Zero would be a beautiful acknowledgement of the fact that radical Islam is not shared by the majority of muslims. For them to have a place of prayer close to the rubbles of 9/11 would serve to shed light on both sides of the islamic faith. So that when you visited as a tourist you wouldn't only see the horrific damages done by some people who happened to be muslim, but would also see the peaceful, everyday, regular Americans who also happen to be muslim.
pebermynthe 1 year ago 2
What a complete punch in the stomach. I am furious at this attempt to appease Islamic pigs. To give the ones who would strap bombs to their balls and children to kill us a place to pray for strength to continue is an outrage.
I would never have been shut up, my voice would have been heard loud and clear.
To build a mosque so close to the Islamic pigs attack is beyond words. To let them build a house of prayer next to their greatest attack is beyond imagination.
iamzbacku 1 year ago
All religious nuts going on about how offensive every other religion but their own is. Why can't they get into their heads that their own religion is no less offensive than the ones they are condemning?
Nails077 1 year ago
The Young Turks really is one of my favorite news shows. It's been right up there with The Journal.
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
It's symbolic, because radical Islam wants to destroy America and put up a mosque.
baigandine 1 year ago
Seems to me that terrorists seek to create shock and fear, it also seems that a lot of people in the U.S. are full of irrational fears created by these incidents, bravo to those with cool heads, and may the rest of you overcome your cowardice and apply rational thinking to your borderline schizophrenic views.
MasterShakeMajor 1 year ago
I wonder if it would be possible to build a church, a mosque, and a synagogue in on that WTC site to at least appease people from all sides of the argument.
Coraxuss 1 year ago
LOL @ 0:40. Confound that pesky 1st Amendment!
Motionedout 1 year ago
Fuck islam, and fuck all religion for that matter.
It is about time humanity put an end to all forms of superstition and self-delusion.
njuben 1 year ago
Peter King is a hate monger and a bigot. He is the devil in disguise!
zeynep451 1 year ago
@facemobb954 , you're just making up myths and lies about atheism. Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Mussolini, Harris and Klebold were all atheist, and they were all mass murderers. Atheism doesn't lead to understanding of anything; the more I listen to atheists, the more it becomes clear they are as arrogant, ignorant and violent as those they condemn.
ChristianMission 1 year ago
Alright these guys are the worst. This country was founded on religious freedom and what they are doing is a direct attack on Muslims in this country. Of course they will slam Muslims. However as a Christian I must say I am disgusted by these people.
bluesboy25000 1 year ago
and the timothy mcveigh argument.. how stupid is that? he didn't bomb the murrah building on the basis of his christianity, he was a white supremacist conspiracy nut!
quaxk 1 year ago
@quaxk Agreed. I mean Osama was a nutjob and he does not represent all muslims just as much as Oliver Cromwell does not represent protestantism.
bluesboy25000 1 year ago
fuck cenk opinion, I agree with peter king on the point that muslims still need to address radicalism issues
quaxk 1 year ago
All religions are stupid. They all create extremism depending on circumstance..
It comes from Making No Fuckn Sense!
Also, the guy didn't even say when Cenk said he said.. ffs.. Pay attention Cenk.
IloveJesusYesId0 1 year ago
A Republican attacking the laws of the Bill of Rights, which form the very core of the founding American values?
Gee.
What a shock.
'Never heard of any Republican doing THAT, before.
SinnFein4ever 1 year ago
@SinnFein4ever he never once attacked the Bill of Rights. In fact, all he did was state that the first amendment makes it illegal to prevent a mosque being built, even if it is offensive.
bigdrewser 1 year ago
The mosque is exactly what the place needs \o/, especially one for the more progressive islam that goes well with western democracy and values. If that's a slap in the face, that face belongs to those radical islamists who support terrorism. Good thing that. Thumbs up for the mosque!
coosoorlog 1 year ago
I can't believe i'm saying this but i'm on the side of Fox on this one. Not about should it be built there but the fact that Cenk is doing what Fox usually does and twist things around. The guy explicitly said we should not blame all Muslims for the actions of a few but Cenk goes and says that he insinuated that. Second the guy just pointed out there is no legal way to stop them cause putting it up falls within the 1st amendment. He never said the 1st should be ignored. Dirty pool Cenk.
tical2399 1 year ago
@tical2399 I am by no means a lover of fox but i believe in being honest and fair if the guy had said something stupid and Cenk jumped on him them its all good, but from what i saw in that clip the guy said nothing wrong other than he didn't personally want the mosque there. Other than that he just pointed out 1 fact (its allowed to be build based on 1st amendment) and said we shouldn't blame all Muslims. Cenk, you're at at 10 you need to be at a 2
tical2399 1 year ago
Wow, Alex Jones is a Muslim leader.
newdarnaccount 1 year ago
so No more churches anywhere near sites of lynchings right John King?
espltd12 1 year ago
who cares? this shouldn't even be a debate. just let them build whatever they want
LIGHTRONIX 1 year ago
I think that the congregation should be sensative of the situation and not build the mosque, but instead build a community center with the goal of religious tolerance. Such as a place where all religious holidays are celebrated with representatives of all major faiths, sharing and reaching out to their neighbors. A mosque distracts by exclusion, a community center allows outreach
elchivo918 1 year ago
mcveigh was quoted as saying he had core beliefs of catholicism, but science was his religion.
also, if anyone would bother reading up on why he did what he did and the ties to the FBI he had, you'd see it was anything but a religious provoked attack or terrorist act.
apples and oranges.
Disasterkidandco 1 year ago
building the mosque right by ground zero is questionable...
having the grand opening on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 is ridiculous.
Disasterkidandco 1 year ago
Freedom of Religion...unless it's the wrong religion.
kwatson813 1 year ago
McVeigh wasn't a fucking dumb ass christian. Don't insult his memory.
tommysch 1 year ago
@tommysch ......................wtf is this
uncthebest2005 1 year ago
@uncthebest2005 It is a comment. You are welcome.
tommysch 1 year ago
@tommysch a stupid comment..you're talking of mcveigh as if he's a hero..
uncthebest2005 1 year ago
@facemobb954
Actually Christian Mission is half right. McVeigh wasn't a Christian. He was an agnostic. I'm not a Christian or a Christian apologist by the way, just letting you know the facts.
bricitybrac 1 year ago
Actually Tim McVeigh was agnostic.
bricitybrac 1 year ago
I think The Young Turks should have Sam Harris on as a guest. The topic should be Islam. I think it would be VERY interesting.
unicyclepeon 1 year ago
i can agree with cenks point but building a mosque at the site of 9/11.....thats just a provocation i'm sorry but its really not a good idea. maybe i'm a little predjudiced i don't know, theres only so long i can say "it's not the whole religion". listen they can build mosques heres but this would be like building a monument to the japanese empire at pearl harbor. it's just hugely bad taste.
thuzan117 1 year ago
@thuzan117
I agree, and that's why I'm against this mosque building as well. It's disgustingly insensitive.
DemonWithAHumanHeart 1 year ago
@DemonWithAHumanHeart
If a white man commits a terrible crime, should other white men carry the blame? Should being a white man near the scene of the crime be labelled "disgustingly insensitive"? Even if the white man responsible claimed to be doing it "in the name of the white race", would that mean that other white males should be treated as if they're guilty for his crime?
If not, then specifically what is your problem with innocent Muslims practising their religion there?
ViolentRiC 1 year ago
@ViolentRiC
You know, I've typed about four versions of this comment defending my position, but I actually started thinking about it, and it reminded me of a point one of my friends made. The goal of these terrorist attacks on 9/11 was to make us change our way of life, and honestly, in some significant ways, they've succeeded. Why make it worse? I still think this mosque building is insensitive, but if they build it and then use it to show people that not all Muslims are evil, I'll back them.
DemonWithAHumanHeart 1 year ago
@DemonWithAHumanHeart
Hallelujah!
There was no problem with Muslims before, so I don't see why there should be one after a bunch of sick fucks murdered thousands of people and claimed to be doing it for Islam. They're the ones that deserve to suffer, not regular folks.
ViolentRiC 1 year ago
@thuzan117
How can you agree with Cenk's points if you directly disagree with his stance and argument?
If you have a problem with innocent Americans practising their religion then deal with it because it's your own unfounded prejudice. Am I wrong? Is it not unfounded?
It's not like building a monument to the Japanese empire, a monument is there solely to make a statement. This is solely for people to practise their religion - they didn't cause 9/11, and it's that simple.
ViolentRiC 1 year ago
Peter King is just another traitorous member of our government in you know whose pocket. Wonder how much money he sucks up from AIPAC.
freedom013102 1 year ago
This is diffucult, I agree with both sides to an extent. I am offended by religious people in General, Muslims want me to die and Christians want me to live an eternity in hell, both are malicious and I can't stand mosques or churches. But we do have this first amendment which is crap when it come to religion, imo. Why should we give special treatment to people who belive in imaginary things in the sky?
OriginalBeast 1 year ago
have you been in the middle east they don't care that christrains die. muslims be leave in the will of god. in arabic its called "inshala" if alla wells it. they see it as alla punishing christains. its happening in erouope and its starting in america these muslims use PC bull crap to gain more and more power. let me see you go to saudi or anyother muslim country and see if they do shit for christains.
budsmoker4201120 1 year ago
McVeigh was an atheist not Christian."American Terrorist: Tomothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing" states he made his atheism known on his death bed.
ChristianMission 1 year ago
The Oklahoma bombing didnt have world consequences.
Why not just build the Afghanistan embassy on ground zero?
Also, I am a bit concerned that the Muslim faith, generally, isnt that moderated yet. I know a few 3rd generation Muslims that are not that very religious, but still think its okay to disown there daughter if they do not marry a Muslim... and no, they dont talk with a ascent, nor have they or there parents ever lived in their origin country.
Lobos222 1 year ago
I dont really see how that is offensive to build a mosque there?
It wasn´t really the religion Islam that did 9/11 right?
spaik007 1 year ago
@spaik007 SOAD and Regina Spektor, nice
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 Yes my inspiration in music, but what!?
does that have to do with anything?
spaik007 1 year ago
@spaik007 Nothing haha, just thought it was an interesting combo, I like them both too
acohen797 1 year ago
This is why the Young Turks is awesome. Consistency of their logic.
acohen797 1 year ago
I love your show Cenk & watch every day. But these time you are wrong.
appatel 1 year ago
You know what? BUILD A MEMORIAL THERE. I'm all for that. And I think that's how it should be.
hitheresunshine 1 year ago
fuck this stupid controversy about the mosque being built next to ground zero. there's fucking churches all OVER this fucking country. 9/11 is fucking piss water compared to how many native americans the europeans raped and murdered in the imperialistic settlement of America.
MrMagneticPelican 1 year ago
@MrMagneticPelican that was not done in the name of christianitty, whereas the bombers of 9/11 were saying the shahada while they drove the plane into the ground. there's a big difference.
prankcalls420 1 year ago
bullshit it wasn't done in the name of christianity, do you want to tell that to the native americans who grew up on the catholic reservations who had their culture stripped from them? or you want to tell that to native americans who were attacked in the name of manifest destiny being preached by christian churches?
MrMagneticPelican 1 year ago 2
Who cares, everyone attacks the First Amendment these days
UIL6 1 year ago
The difference is that the 9/11 attacks were religion based. I think the guy is completely right about the fact that Muslim leaders should have spoken out against terrorism. By keeping silent they made it seem like they supported muslim extremism. The fact that terrorists used Islam as a justification for killing thousands of Americans and destroying the world trade center, makes it offensive to build a mosque right at ground zero.
splicerhook 1 year ago
@splicerhook So would you allow the construction if Muslim leaders had spoken out against terrorism?
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 On a side not what if another group of crazed individuals had used some other religion (i.e. Christianity) to justify an act of terrorism. Would you in that case have considered it offensive to build a church there (no matter how tenuous a connection between Christianity and their justification for the act existed)?
acohen797 1 year ago
cenk you're a dumbass, I usually agree with you, but this time you say stuff which the guy clearly didn't. he says that because of the first amendment you can do anything, also he says that the handful of terrorists arent equal to the rest of muslims. the kevin rudolph point is good. the point of imams is good too.
thecarrotdude 1 year ago
What is offensive is the president during that time ignored repeated daily presidential briefings while he was clearing brush in Crawford Texas.
sidplicity 1 year ago
Will they let us build a church two blocks from their holy site in Mecca? Or anywhere in the middle east for that matter? This is not just in bad taste, this is their way to thumb their noses at the west.
bosatsu76 1 year ago
@bosatsu76 Ex-fucking-actly
prankcalls420 1 year ago
@bosatsu76 There are plenty of churches in the middle east if you've been there. You really want to devolve American free speech rights to the level of Saudi Arabia (where Mecca is located) and compare the two. Yea they might not allow it cuz they dont have the first amendment guaranteeing free speech!! Would the Vatican allow a mosque in the Vatican City, dunno, will have to put a call in to Ratzinger.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 I'll bet you anything that these churches predated Islam's arrival. And furthermore, I'll bet that there is only about 1/10th as many churches now as there were 500 years ago.
bosatsu76 1 year ago
@bosatsu76 Yea and pagan temples preceded Christian churches in Europe, so? What exactly does any of what you just said have to do with whether the mosque should be allowed to be built near the 9/11 attacks? Let me save you the response time, nothing. I was responding to the fact that you either LIED (or didn't know shit about shit) in your initial post by saying "they" wouldn't let "us" build a church in the middle east.
acohen797 1 year ago
@bosatsu76 yeppers
OriginalBeast 1 year ago
It was the WORLD Trade Center! Other countries have suffered their loses as well. It's people like this that give others a reason to hate us.
Capz541 1 year ago
I agree with their right to put a mosque where ever they can afford to build one, but still, it's in poor taste. I'd ask them nicely to build it somewhere else.
savorith 1 year ago
i actually disagree with cenk here. the senator made the case that he didn't blame all of islam. i think cenk overlooked that
667985 1 year ago 2
@667985 i could see the senator's point as well. it would be tough if you lost loved ones there and had to walk past a mosque on a daily basis as well. yes, they have every legal right to put it there. but just because it's legal doesnt mean it's necessarily a good idea
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 Just curious, Could you (or whomever may agree with your sentiment) explain why it would be tough to walk past?
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 i think it's more emotional than rational. hard to explain it. sort of like if they planted a japanese flag and monument at pearl harbor shortly after WWII had ended. that's a bad analogy i know, but it sort of illustrates the point i guess.
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 Well just my 2 cents but I think if we let emotion rather than rationality dictate our public policy then we're headed in a dangerous direction. In terms of being emotionally affected I can understand that I guess but then we should ask why we are emotionally affected and if despite our best intentions the media has successfully manipulated our thoughts to link the 9/11 tragedy with Islam/Muslims in general.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 Moreover, The mere parroting of the line that "our course not all Muslims are terrorists." If we truly believe this then we must exhibit this belief in our actions (i.e. allowing free expressions which would include the construction of religious institutions)
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 i'm not sure that it's a matter of public policy. more just a matter of discretion on the part of the people that want to build a mosque there. 9/11 IS linked to islam/muslims, whether people like that or not. no religion, no people flying planes into our buildings. it's pretty much that simple i think. but i do know it's a bit more complicated than that. they have the right to put a mosque there. people have a right to react badly to that decision as well
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 True enough, linked to the extent that the people who did the crime that day claimed to be inspired to do so by Islam. I agree with your last point generally depending on what you mean by "react badly" and if that may involve violence against the mosque (i.e. vandalism) or against the families who did attend that mosque. I would also be curious to see why the specific group is building the mosque there. Is there a large Muslim pop in the area or what their reason is exactly?
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 well, i think it goes a bit beyond, "claim[ing] to be inspired to do so by islam". no, i don't advocate violence or vandalism. but if people need to vent by expressing their opinions and feelings about the mosque, i have no problem with that. and islam makes no secret that it intends to take over the world, so i'm sure that's part of the agenda in putting the mosque there :)
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 Umm yea, I was about to respond with something substantive until I read the line that said "Islam...intends to take over the world" which is when my eyes glazed over and I realized I was having a convo with a zealot who throws around such phrases instead of rationally focusing on the facts of individual cases. Have fun in you narrow ideology, the rest of us us will be outside when you grow up.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 ummm, yea, i'm not the zealot; i'm just a guy that wants to be left alone and rescues stray dogs :). i don't really have an "ideology" per se. and i've paid my dues in life, seen a lot and pretty much already "grown up," but thanks for the condescension. anyway, maybe someday you'll wake up and figure out what's going on. until then, cheers :)
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 Holy shit! You rescue stray dogs? Sorry didn't know. Let me retract everything I just said cuz the stray dog thing was relevant to the discussion. Oh and by the way, maybe you might be so kind as to grant that desire you have of wanting "to be left alone" to the rest of society (i.e. the group who wants to build the mosque). Your welcome for the condescension by the way.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 so glad you see my point with the stray dog thing ;). anyway, i'm not interfering with anyone's right to build a mosque anywhere they want (except on any property i own of course). also, pray and grovel to any silly-ass gods you want, and i won't say a word. hell, you can even exercise your right to be a total and complete prick on some youtube board, and i probably won't say anything ;).
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 I'm glad that you won't interfere with anyone's right to build a mosque somewhere. The only situation IMO that could justify rejecting that right would be if I thought that they had some violent intention like if i felt that, "islam intends to take over the world" and that putting the mosque there is the first step. Good thing I don't believe that. You and me both should watch out for people with such unsubstantiated beliefs.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 BTW I'm agnostic but yea I don't mind people doing things I don't believe in like liking. Also, I can see from your youtube page (which I guess, I should have checked out in the beginning) that you have no overt bias against or obsession with Muslims and if I in any way suggested that I apologize. Thanks for the permission to be a prick. It's nice to receive permission from one who is uniquely positioned to bestow such a license.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 wow, now you're putting words in my mouth. i never said, or implied, that putting the mosque there was the first step. anyway, you're very naive about the islamic agenda. it's not exactly a secret and they openly state that is their goal. believe me, i'm ALWAYS watching out for people and their unsubstantiated beliefs. the're everywhere and they often seem to be insisting that i be aware of their beliefs. never sure why i should be exactly.
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 Isn't it awesome when you can just quote someone's own words to refute something. You previously wrote: "islam makes no secret that it intends to take over the world, so i'm sure that's part of the agenda in putting the mosque there." Don't you ever get tired or embarrassed by being called our on your bullshit. Your right, you said it was "part" of their agenda, Maybe you already think they're on step 500, I wouldn't put it past you based on the videos in your channel.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 Finally, your bullshit hallucinations about the "Islamic agenda" sounds familiar. It's the same bullshit conspiracy theories behind the "Protocol of the Elders of Zion" that your replicating replacing Jews with Muslims. Please spare us your ridiculous paranoia.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 your channel is a joke btw. joined in 2006 with 23 channel views? LMAO! you're a joke. you stand for nothing and you have nothing to say.
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 Yea I didn't get a youtube channel to project my worldview to the world in a desperate attempt to find some assholes who feel similar to me to be my friends. I joined so I could watch videos that were restricted to younger viewers like several on the young turks. As for your juvenile name calling, it might be amusing if it was the least bit creative. I'll leave you to it.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 wow, dumbass, did you notice the ":)" after my comment? good those two characters used in conjunction with each other placed after comments, if you're really as clueless about that as you are about the goals of islam. anyway, you don't seem to have any real point or position and no one knows wtf you are trying to say, defend or rebut. when you grow some testicles and can articulate a clear position, let me know. i won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen :)
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 Bravo, excellent salient point about the testicles thing. Since I haven't indicated my sex, that might be difficult for me to do.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 you haven't indicated anything about yourself. you seem to be here just to get attention, which is strange given your youtube identity is pretty much completely anonymous. whatever. have fun doing, well, whatevertf it is you do. but yes, if you're a woman, i suppose i should say, "try to pretend you have testicles" or something like that.
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1 Anyone reading this exchange can hopefully come to their own conclusions about which one of us was the sane one in this conversation. I'm not the one with the insane conspiracy theories or mind racked with paranoia about Muslims taking over the world
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 no one cares dude (or dudette) lol. anyway, bury your head in the sand if you must about islam and other organized religions. just don't expect everyone else to pluck their heads in the sand next to yours. the muslims make no secret of their intentions. but you seem to enjoy being argumentative solely for the sake of being argumentative, with no real points to make. that gets old after awhile. cheers :)
isaachaze1 1 year ago
@isaachaze1
"which is strange given your youtube identity is pretty much completely anonymous"
Hey thanks that is a good idea for a new account name.
"Trolling anonymous"
InterntzTrollerinz 1 year ago
@acohen797 because the people who died in 9/11 were killed in the name of islam
prankcalls420 1 year ago
@prankcalls420 Yeah and those people were the only ones in the world to be killled in the name of some religion.
spaik007 1 year ago
@spaik007 Thanks spaik, I was getting tired of feeling obligated to respond to every comment hehe
acohen797 1 year ago
oh god they are gonna build it within walking distance.Should we also be against building any mosques within flight distance because that would really be a slap in the face
badtrashtalker 1 year ago
@badtrashtalker Well played, haha
acohen797 1 year ago
First commandment: "I am the Lord your God You shall have no other gods before me" Build the Muslim Temple i dont give a damn as long as they dont start creating violence withing the church or start making hate speeches against the U.S. Dont blame the Muslims blame the idiots that used that religion as violence.
AlvaroAndfriends 1 year ago
its just the fact that it brings back bad memories.....i mean cmon, why, of all places YYYYY there??? there aren't enough places to build mosques???? seriously, would you build a Japanese center near Pearl Harbor???
deveousdevil 1 year ago
@deveousdevil japanese center? wtf is that?
667985 1 year ago
@667985
w/e, japanese shinto temple, meaning s/t that is sacred to the offending party etc etc. the point is it evokes bad feelings, and there are plenty of places to build a huge mosque, or symbolizes the motivation for the attack.
deveousdevil 1 year ago
@deveousdevil I know man, those Shinto motherfuckers, always bombing our shit. Nature loving assholes!!!
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797
thats not the point dick.
deveousdevil 1 year ago
@deveousdevil What was your point exactly? Did you have one? By the way, next time you pass by your local church or mosque be sure to wag your finger and ask them to tear it down. A native American village was probably destroyed on the spot. What was that? Too long ago? What's the cutoff? You decide? Ok cool, just thought I'd get the rules straight about when they can build their religious institutions. P.S. How did you know my name? (capitalize that shit next time)
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797
clever. the point is i dont want a reminder of the reason those towers were destroyed. mosques are being built like crazy all over the US and Europe, but still, it's never enough for muslims, they need every spot they can take right? of all the places y there?? u expect me to believe they aren't trying to rub themselves in everyone's face, like they have in Britain with their fucking shariah courts??
deveousdevil 1 year ago
@deveousdevil You don't want the reminder. Ok. I just think public policy such as building permits shouldn't be determined by your whims. Also interesting that your position shifted from your first comment where you stated that "there aren't enough places to build mosques?" and now you say that "they need to take every spot they can take right?" I think more of your underlying motivation might be leaking through slowly though unintentionally.
there aren't enough places to build mosques?
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 I don't expect you to believe anything.Maybe that's why they are building it for that reason, so what? They could equally be hesitant to build it out of fear that the families attending might be attacked or that the mosque might be vandalized. Divining motivations is tricky work? Fortunately, following the first amendment is more straightforward.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797
???? my position hasnt shifted i just said the same thing with different words, that there are plenty of places to build a mosque and they are building them constantly so y there?
and i never said their building should depend on my 'whims', but it exposes THEIR motivations that they don't want to consider how there mosque effects anyone else, they only focus on the fact that they want their mosque there, everyone else, fuck off.
deveousdevil 1 year ago
@deveousdevil I don't know their motivations. I haven't heard their side of the story. Maybe there is a large Muslim community in the area. I'm willing to admit that I don't know their motivation rather than jump to conclusions about their motivation as you seem to.
acohen797 1 year ago
@acohen797 I was really hesitant to write that last reply because that "fuck off" you wrote sort of intimidated me but I somehow worked up the courage.
acohen797 1 year ago
When people say "where are the Muslims standing up against terrorism" they usually aren't referring to Muslim Americans.
However when you look at whose fighting the war against radical Islamic terrorists, it's not other Islamic nations.
volcombillx3 1 year ago