JORDAN NEVER PLAYED AGAINST A TOUGH DEFENSE!!!!!

[andy1232554]

thats not tough defense>>>dirty defense

[bulldogs186]

so all the hall of famers that jordan played against in his era are nobody...first off..what is this...his college days...thats y its called college..not the PROFESSIONAL NBA....second..ur disrespecting one of the best player to ever play in the NBA..maybe even the best...second..him holding someone on the back..for like 1-2 sec..was nothing...Veterans would be holding people for like 5-6 sec... or until the y get caught by the ref...dude...what ur doing right now by even posting this..is wrong!

[qwerops12345]

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[tcstylist]

If Jordan could play with today's rules and wear the pads that they allow them to wear now, he'd average 50 a game

[Rasuke11]

ahahahahahahahahah faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiii­iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil video

[stevechen1991]

IF mj never played with tough defense,than lebron n kobe never even played with any defense

[skeamz21]

so mj didnt face detroit pistons or the celtics? be serious man mj was in the nba for around 20 years and was in many finals which you obviously havent watched

[TheSportsguy33]

Way to compile a list of bad defensive teams. Don't forget that MJ played in the era of hand checks and hard fouls. It was a much tougher, and much more physical league back then.

[kilagon10]

Get a life JORDAN haters...LOL

[MissBunny850]

the more you use the same term "keep in mind" the harder it is to take you seriously

[VampOPS]

@MissBunny850 I was about to comment on the same thing x.x "keep in mind" was used 9 times in the description.

[ronaraullo]

(supposedly) stronger, faster, bigger athletes with complete lack of fundamentals today are better basketball players? So body builder participants of Mr Universe comps, WWE Champions, MMA Champions, Olympic weightlifting, track and field gold medalists, Iron Man champs, special forces operatives better basketball players? Maybe a race horse, cheetah, grizzly bear are better basketball players then. Basketball is 85% fundamentals, IQ and 15% athleticism, strength, speed not the other way around.

[Jasluim]

I think this is a little hard for the kobetarded people to understand. Naming players that guard Kobe proves nothing. What this video is pointing out is that if a player is allowed to use his forearm and body that is going to create stronger resistance which will make it harder for the offensive player to move without the ball and get a shot off. Now you have foul interpretations which handicap the defenders. Guys get free movement off the bal and the shooters get ton of space on shots.

[boogie1981]

funny that the author of this film removed these parts that prove that MJ did manage with tough defense ;) and more... he scored :)

[andgar923]

The purpose of this film was to show the type of defense MJ faced on an almost nightly basis. There's plenty of vids that focus on only the made baskets, but they don't really tell the entire story. We see the basket go in, but we don't see how hard it was for him to get open and some of the moves he made. So I just decided to focus on that aspect.

thanks for posting.

[ailuvjil]

@andgar923 no, its not just that film were removed it dosnt mean that they are showing that MJ is the best bcoz he made that shot ..thats why there is a title ..

'GOAT' 'half air, half amazing' so if u want to make a title of a film that it is sarcsm ? .. fuck ..! ..they just want to praise what mj made in his era ..but yes i accept mj failed bcoz ..its not alwys in winning ..there are times that he lose ..

[lightsw0rd]

@andgar923 Wait so that vidoe is meant

MJ played aginst the tough defense + hard rules right?

[RashaadforMVP1]

Man kobe does face tough defenders. paul pierce ron artest sometimes lebron. But its not that jordan didnt face tough defenders its just that no one could defend him in a one on one situation.

[gricius]

you forgot shane batier? huh?

[Jasluim]

@RashaadforMVP1 Are you retarded? Defenders can't touch the offensive player nowadays. You named 3 players that guarded Kobe.Good job.That was completely stupid and has nothing o do with what he's talking about. He's talking about the rules and the new interpretation of fouls fuckshit. It all started in the 1999-2000 season. The big reason for this was to create other Jordan type players. It was to hype their star players up.

[KeReignman]

Is this a trend now i see on youtube videos to say Mj was not the best of all time?

Guess some people need to "feel different" even though it's not the time/place...

I think if you love basketball, you love MJ... And nobody will be like MJ ever again...

There will be great players, there were before him... But nobody can be compared to MJ...

[utfanatic2000]

No, Kobe does not face tougher defenses, not even close. The game today is designed specifically to allow perimeter players to showcase their athletic ability and score more easily through banning perimeter handchecking and allowing pseudo zones, while also banning defensive 3 secs in the lane. Defenders today simply are not allowed to play as well as they were in MJ's day. MJ GOAT

[redassasain18]

@utfanatic2000 i think this wouldn't matter in Lebrons case because he is bigger stronger and faster than every small foward in the league, yes it would change his game but if they brought this defense back today, i think Lebron would still be Lebron.

[utfanatic2000]

@redassasain18 Agreed.

[likylik24]

@utfanatic2000 do u SEE da type of kobe shots he make u just lyin 2 urself

[utfanatic2000]

@likylik24 Jordan made some of the toughest shots in history and could do things around the basket Kobe could only dream of, due to Jordan's huge hands.

[waihong001]

are you kidding? i cannot believe you are Jordan guy. otherwise you won't say that.

[brunootrindade]

really good video and really really good description ->

congrats dude, i agree in everything you said..

and just ignore this retards that dont know anything about basketball cuz if they knew they wouldnt say shit like that..

laterss

[rockuzONE]

david robinson wins league MVP and gets owned by hakeem the dream !!! dats the spurs 90s'' and MJ is BLACK JESUS... doesnt matter how many defenders u put on him... he will make it happen.. and as the spurs puker.. get the fuck outta here !!!

[SpurEmpireStrikeBack]

four months is not half a year ago 6 months is dummy and i grew up in that era too you moron and he was talking about bill cartwright being a allstar before the jordan bulls won the first title moron so read before you reply to someone idiot ok lolers

[MadeFromQueensRapper]

Kobe gets the same shit.

[SpurEmpireStrikeBack]

no kobe aint you moron jordan played against legendary defenders idiot

[SpurEmpireStrikeBack]

please learn what jordanlover was trying to tell you ok

[SpurEmpireStrikeBack]

jordan played against the league toughest defense ever and this coming from a spurs fan you moron so quit putting jordan never played agaisnt tough defense video's on here you idiot

[rockuzONE]

duhhhh i think ur scrren name give away ur bias ... hahahah fuck u .. u dont knw shit bout basketball// this shit it s stupid.. you tube please close any accounts that spursempuker hosts... spurs are out the playoffs.. and spurs didnt do shit i nthe 90s... until jordan was done !!!!!

[rockuzONE]

spurs 90s; david robinson win league and gets owned by THE DREAM... thats all i remember the spurs doing in the 90s...

[DeathNoteBlue]

yea this is retarded....

[Vinod222]

Just to correct ya at 2:26 you point out its 3 of them but actually there are 4 of them on MJ and 5th is under the basket for rebound.

[andgar923]

Thanks for the correction. I made alot of errors going either side of the argument tho.

And some of the annotations aren't how I'd like them to be.

[jordanlover23]

Learn to read, kid. I said 11 years before the Buls' FIRST TITLE, which was in 1991. Cartwright was an all-star in 1980. You;re clearly a troll. I have to LOL again @ "Ho Grant was an all-star." Okay. I'll give any other player the Bulls' first three-peat cast and they won't have the same team record and won't win 3 titles. Period.

[SpurEmpireStrikeBack]

yea i agree with you lolers

[jordanlover23]

LMAO @ "ex all-star" -- Cartwright was a one-time all-star in 1980, a full 11 YEARS before the Buls' first title. Get out of here with this nonsense.

[jordanlover23]

No, Cartwright averaged 17 ppg 4 years before the Bulls even won their first title. He averaged 7 pts/5 reb/.2 blk during the first three-peat. These are the facts. The Bulls won 6 rings without anything resembling a low post scoring big man or shotblocking presence, unlike, oh...EVERY OTHER TEAM IN HISTORY. Deal with it.

[jordanlover23]

What shotblocking, you clod? Jordan and Pippen were the only shotbockers on that Bulls team. Cartwright blocked .2 shots per game (2, not 2), Longley blocked just over 1 shot per game. Rebounding? Cartwright and Longley were both 5 rebs/gm guys. LOL @ Bison Dele again. 9 games and the playoffs -- that's all he was on the Bulls.

[jordanlover23]

LOL @ "Cartwright was an all-star -- yeah, like 10 years before the Bulls' first championship. He averaged 7 pts/5 reb/0 blk during the first three peat. Grant an all-star? Yeah, as a reserve, and it was one of the worst all-star selections ever (how many guys put up 14/10 each year, which is what he averaged in 1994?). Bison Dele? Is this a joke? IS THIS A JOKE? Whatever he was (and it wasn't some great player), he was there for 9 regular season games and the playoffs. Big deal. BIG DEAL.

[jordanlover23]

30 a game? No, but it wouldn't hurt to have a 15-17 pt/10+ reb/2+ blk/53%+ FG center. Instead, Bulls had a 7 pt/5 reb/0 blk/50% center for the first three-peat and an 8 pt/5 reb/1 blk/47% center for the second three peat. LOL @ "cancelled out opposing bigs." Get that nonsense out of here lol.

[jordanlover23]

Or maybe you meant Luc "8 pts/5 reb/1 blk" Longley or Bill Wennington. LOL

[jordanlover23]

What other bigs? One dimensional non-scorer Dennis Rodman who couldn't hit a shot to save his life? 13 pt/9.5 reb Horace Grant? Yeah, his team was stacked with all-star caliber big men. LOL

[goldenstateketchup]

you are retarded how does this have to do with kobe being better than MJ. this whole vid pisses u off i bet, huh? that's probably coz its all legit and makes sense. any NBA player or coach other than a laker would agree Jordan is better.

[SEEBASS1234]

really hakeem olijuwan, the lakers and celtics d, david robinson, patrick ewing, joe dumars, alonzo mourning i think those were good defenses and defenders. plus kobe has always had a dominant center, jordan never did

[m1onie]

good post! check Michael Jordan vs Real Defenses in youtube

[lagosdre]

David Robinson and TDUNCAN got to the league and suddenly their teams came from 20 victories to 50 Victories...

BARKLEY DID THAT with the SUNS.

AMARE and MARION are great players but without NASH and with MARBURY they were the worst team in the WEST suddenly NASH comes and they are the best team (with the best record)...EVERYONE AROUND HIM BECAME BETTER...

[jordanlover23]

LMAO @ this miketonumber1 clown talking about how Levingston and Cartwright equalled Shaq. What can be said in the face of such unbridled idiocy?

[jordanlover23]

Actually yeah, Pippen DIDNT have anything to do with making Jordan better an as individual player, since Jordan was already an all-time legend before Pip arrived and during Pip's benchwarming rookie season. Jordan, however, did help make Pip the individual player he was.

[andgar923]

til he got? what do you mean? I said that in reference to Kobe going to the Finals without Shaq. (til he got Gasol). Mj did make Pippen the player he became. Pippen was a shy, inconsistent, fragile, mentally weak player.MJ molded him into a tougher player, the player he became. Mj actually had to curtail his game a bit in order to help Pip's development. PIp did help out MJ, and made his job easier, but the same can be said about any star and their 2nd best player..no?

[Shermstyle23]

@andgar923 Also MJ was the main option for the Bulls as was Shaq. Kobe didnt teach Shaq how to play better and MJ did teach Pippen how to improve his game. Also most fans dont realize that the triangle offense was meant for a center and the Lakers had Shaq (arguable most dominant center of all time). Kobe needs a lot mroe help to win than MJ. Gasol, Artest, Odom, Shaq, Malone, Payton, Isiah Rider. Van Exel. E. Jones, Theo Ratliff, Matt barnes. Next ting you know, Kobe will get MJ and Pippen

[andgar923]

I'm just here to state the FACTS. You have made excuses for Kobe's performances, and his performances have been pathetic in elimination games, and the Finals, those are FACTS. Look them up sometime.

[andgar923]

Discussion over:

Kobe: 22ppg 4apg 2rpg 38% shooting

Kobe is NOT better than MJ never has never WILL.

He is physically inferior than him, and "similar" in skill at his best.

Kobe has failed time and time again when it mattered the most.Nevermind the losses,HIS PERFORMANCES HAVE BEEN PATHETIC!!!

It would be a different story if he performed well and he just lost, but he STINKS when it matters the most.

END OF STORY

Kobe fans make up more excuses than anybody in the history of sports.

[blackadam06]

"This misconception that Jordan had no bigs is fucking stupid!"

Bigs he had. "DOMINANT" bigs he NEVER had. All the rodmans, cartwrights, levingstons, salleys & any of the other big forwards/centers they had, "DON'T" equal a shaq..

I already know your SOLE intent on YouTube is just to irritate & antagonize MJ fans. I saw where U said that on someone's page.

I don't engage morons like U too much. U have nothing to bring to the table but vanity, conjecture & immature taunts..

[blackadam06]

Shaq ruined the 4-peat? What? LOL!!

Kobe SHOT THEM OUT OF THE FINALS that year! It was kobe who from 2002-04 avg'd MORE attempts (20.7 vs 16.85 shot attempts) than shaq & STILL couldn't outscore him!

2004 Finals

Shaq: 28ppg 2apg 10rpg 63% shooting

Kobe: 22ppg 4apg 2rpg 38% shooting

Kobe REFUSED to feed shaq the ball & shot them out of the Finals that year. That's what CAUSED the break-up! How quickly people forget the criticism he took for it.

[sopa71479]

i say this, guys like PAH try to make a case by using highlights very much like espn. Those that are true fans of the game know that their much more to the game than just 10 minute videos. ITs a 48 minute contest and a lot more goes on during the game than what you see on youtube. True fans know this and "homers" will forever remain ignorant to it. as they say "ignorance is bliss"

[Scooby2791]

To all the people who hate kobe because OTHER people compare him to MJ, there is other players who have been called the 'next MJ' who have never even gotten close to the level kobe is at, why don't u bitchs hate on them? Also Kobe is compared to MJ simply because kobe is the best player of his era the same way Jordan was the best in his era.

[blackadam06]

"why don't u bitchs hate on them?"

It's spelled bitch[e]s. learn to spell.

Kobe catches SO MUCH flack because he has such DUMB & UNINFORMED fans who make these BOLD claims, but "NO" FACTUAL EVIDENCE to back 'em up.

"kobe is the best player of his era"

Really? WHERE'S the "CONSISTENT" individual production that PROVES it?

MJ DOMINATED his era & it's REFLECTED in his OFFENSIVE & DEFENSIVE resume & accolades Where's kobe's?

No FACTUAL Evidence = No Argument = No Comparison

[det916]

Kobe does have accolades... All First Team Defense (even if it's undeserved in some years), two scoring titles, has lead the league in total points scored through 4 seasons.

[blackadam06]

I didn't say he didn't have "Any", I asked where's the "CONSISTENCY" in winning these things regarding him individually?

As an example, his fans are quick to say things like "oh, he's the 'Greatest' scorer ever.."

So I ask common sense questions like, why didn't he win the Scoring Title last year? Why did he avg LESS pts on MORE FG attempts than Lebron?

That's what I mean when I say, where's the CONSISTENCY in his offensive/defensive resume & the WINNING of those accolades..

[Scooby2791]

Wow pretty pathetic with the whole spelling coreection, oh and btw its spelt 'flak'.idiot. Stop putting words in inverted comma's you look like an idiot whose amused by them on the keyboard. Consistent individual production? Are you really asking that? Em he's always up in the top 5 in scoring, has led a rag tag team to the playoffs I think every year since the 3peat and even took them to the finals. Do remember that Jordan had a much better supporting cast in his time..

[Scooby2791]

..and I know he averaged what like 40+ppg in the playoffs?? But do remember 40 points doesn't win games, he's had pip,kerr,rodman,grant,kukoc & others who i can't think of right now. Kobe has had old glove&mailman briefly since then its been players like walton,kwame,vlad,sasha all these subpar players who think they are shit hot cuz they play for the Lakers. I'd like to point out that I'm not a Kobe fan BUT I can see past all the comparisons and understand that Kobe is the best right now...

[Scooby2791]

...why can't you? Name another player of Kobe's era who has brought a team of hasbeens to the playoffs & finals ? And also why do you hate Kobe ? Is it just because he is compared to MJ? and you just try & try to dig up facts proving them wrong? and in turn are so blinded by trying to prove Kobe is not as good you find yourself hating him?So what if he is compared to him, sure best of 2 different era's its obviously guna happen and its not like anyone is arguing that Kobe is better than Jordan.

[blackadam06]

"Name another player of Kobe's era who has brought a team of hasbeens to the playoffs & finals ?"

How about Iverson when they lost to Lakers in the Finals?

"why do you hate Kobe"

I don't. I despise HOMERS who make absurd excuses or worse, try & discredit REAL LEGENDS to make a "Favorable" comparison for kobe, without having "ANY" historical perspective on the manner at all..

And it's NOT about "diggin up facts", but I do like to point them out because opinions AREN'T facts...

[Scooby2791]

Stop with the inverted comma's & CAPITAL words it looks ridiculous. So you hate these 'homers' yet it comes across that you are just trying to tear down Kobe by discrediting everything he has done? Seems so.

[blackadam06]

"TOUGH LUCK"..

How can I tear down someone, by stating what he's CONSISTENTLY "DONE" as a player? This is what he's actually done! How's it "tearing him down"?

Aren't U "Supposed" to judge players by what they've ACTUALLY DONE on the court?

Stop with the excuses!

This is why U apologists & kobe himself catches SO MUCH flack/flak from people on YouTube.

Y'all gotta excuse for every damn thing..

[andgar923]

Howabout Tmac, Ray Allen, Vince Carter,Iverson, players that took a sorry team to the playoffs. And those are just off the top of my head.

[Scooby2791]

And of those only one took his team to the Finals. Well done you posted a video now sit back down.

[andgar923]

LOL you telling me to sit back down in my own vid? LOL priceless.

Well... Kobe didn't take his team to the Finals till he had Gasol, so your point is?

Every top contender has had a one two punch.

AND

It is the star's responsibility to make his supporting cast better AND to create a worthy teammate. MJ MADE Pippen, he molded him into the hall of famer that he is. Why hasn't Kobe done that with Odom? Why?

That is what they mean by, making your teammates better. Kb isn't the only one tho

[Scooby2791]

Yep and I will tell you again. Sit down. He had Gasol for 27 games in the regular season and Gasol wasn't great in the playoffs either. MJ didn't make Pippen, Pip was already a very good player before the L and as soon as NJ left Pip had his best year coming 2nd in MVP & got first team honours. I have also never mentioned stars responsibility or any of that bs, all I am trying to show yo ignorant idiots is that Kobe is the best now and MJ was the best then thus drawing the comparisons.

[jordanlover23]

Yeah, Pip was a very good player before he came to the L, which is why he was a 7 pt/4 reb 20 minute benchwarmer his rookie year and a 13 pt/6 reb player his second year. Get outta here with that nonsense. Jordan beat a much more talented (an heavily favored) Cavs team in the '88 playoffs by averaging 45/6/5/52% FG -- but I'm sure it was Pippen's 10 ppg off the bench that helped him get past the first round. Get outta here with that nonsense.

[m1onie]

brilliant post! heck Michael Jordan vs Real Defenses in youtube

[blackadam06]

Wasn't it Kobe that got drafted to a Playoff/Title contending team?

Didn't the team Kobe was drafted to feature Van Excel, Eddie Jones, Shaq, Fox, Ceballos, & a "HOST" of other solid players?

This is the kinda excuse makin' I'm talkin about.! It's the SAME story with U guys: "uh..MJ had more because, MJ scored more because..MJ jumped further because..MJ was faster because.." LOL!!

ENOUGH ALREADY!!

The 'ol MJ did more & was better because of his "Team" is insulting & pathetic..

[Scooby2791]

Hah firtsly he wasn't drafted onto a Playoff/Title contending team.Check your facts, drafted by Hornets traded to Lakers on draft night, don't complain about me picking you up on that one considering your trying to mock spellings on this haha.Yep but look what happens after those players leave ? Kobe picks up the slack. Its not an excuse its a very valid fact you idiot. Your horrendously biased in all of this so there is no point continuing becuase you are an ignorant stubborn idiot.

[blackadam06]

"Check your facts, drafted by Hornets traded to Lakers on draft night"

I "KNOW" he was initially drafted by the hornets. Those are mere samantics..it doesn't change the FACTS that he "WENT" to a team with Playoff calibur pieces in place & had FAR MORE to work with than a rookie MJ..

"what happens after those players leave? Kobe picks up the slack"

They didn't even make the playoffs after the '04 season! MJ 'LED' his teams to the playoffs EVERY YEAR..

No comparison..

[Scooby2791]

Yes but after the inital shock of everyone gone Kobe got the team back on track and brought em back to the playoffs. Look get this into your small ignorant brain, MJ was the best of his era, Kobe is the best of his era, this draws immediate comparisons between greats of both era's. Sure Kobe wouldn't be as good as he is today if he hadn't Jordan to follow but don't forget that their was other players whom JOrdan himself copied (He did an interview about this and admitted himself),...

[Scooby2791]

..the players names that he mentions don't spring to mind right now but I'm sure you can find it. So in turn Jordan is also compared to players before him just like Kobe is. I'd also like to put forward the point of, why do you care so much? Does it really matter if they are sompared to eachother? It hardly tarnishes MJ's career?Does it really?Think about it? Why don't you complain about the other players compared to Jordan?

[blackadam06]

I'll say it again since U missed it the last time:

The COMPARISON ITSELF is BOGUS because his INDIVIDUAL resume & CONSISTENT production as a player vs MJ's, is laughable!

It has jack shit to do with who inspired who or who emulated what player! What the fuck does that have to do with anything? LOL!! What are talkin' about?

U say he's the best of this era? Really? I could make a STRONG case for Tim Duncan..

MJ was the UNDISPUTED ruler of his era. U can't say that about kobe!

[Scooby2791]

No you are trying to prove there is a DIRECT comparison that Kobe is MJ. All I'm trying to explain is that Kobe is the best now, Jordan was the best then that is why they are compared. I completely agree that MJ was undisputed ruler of his era, Kobe will never be Jordan he will never accomplish the same feats as him bu there will always be comparisons between 2 greats from different eras and thats how it will always be.

[blackadam06]

It's kinda' like a counterfeit $100 bill. To your average fan (someone who didnt see MJ) they have to search for differences.

But if you took that fake bill to a bank teller (someone who's watched BOTH their careers) it either feels different or something about the look jumps out, thats why people "pass" the bills at stores & not banks.

Kobe did as good of a job "copying" as any counterfeiter, but older fans STILL see through the "ink smudges & cheap paper".

[blackadam06]

MJ was "Inspired" by past greats, but he never tried to "Copy" 'em. Those are TOTALLY 2 different things & is the BIGGEST DIFFERENCE between himself & kobe..

Kobe hired MJ's trainer, his interview coach, changed his jersey # to as close to 23 as he could get (24) & changed his olympic jersey # to as close to 9 as he could (10).

He EVEN tries to copy ALL of his mannerisms! LOL!!

This is "WHY" his fans catch flak when they start blabberin' about how great he allegedly is..

[Scooby2791]

You contradicted yourself. And I'm gunna let you find out by yourself. You also don't know the real reasons Kobe changed his number or the olympic one your just saying he did it to copy Jordan so it fits in with your argument. Also, not being sarcastic, but what else did Kobe copy from MJ's game?What mannerisms?

[blackadam06]

Flack & flak are "Variants" of each other.

MJ inherited a team that hadn't been to the playoffs since '81 & only won 27 games B4 his arrival & he took 'em to the PLAYOFFS "EVERY" year he was the leader & U wanna talk about inheriting a "rag tag" group of has beens?

WTF EVER!!

Do U idiots think he had Pippen, Grant, Rodman, kukoc, Kerr FROM THE BEGINNING?

In fact, MJ put up BETTER #'s than kobe in the yrs B4 Pippen & Grant!

U need a SERIOUS history lesson..

[Scooby2791]

Who was on the team when he won his 'chips? I never once said he had them from the beginning I seaid he had them when Bulls won their 'chips.

[blackadam06]

Who did Kobe have on his team when he won titles? What's your point?!!

Neither pippen, kerr, kukoc nor rodman, EVER demanded a double team, shaq DID!!

Who was it that had a guy on their team that's one of the "FEW" players in HISTORY to acore 30 pts in "All" games of an NBA Finals & have the highest scoring avg for a center in NBA Finals history?

NOT MJ!!

Not to mention having the "SOLID" cast of guys around them to top it off!

U guys & your LAME excuses are LAUGHABLE!!

[jordanlover23]

Yeah, that's the best part about these Kobe clowns -- they totally ignore the OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE. All perimeter players have seen their numbers INCREASE since zone was instituted and physical play/handchecking was curtailed, yet we're supposed to believe that it's HARDER for them now. They put up BETTER numbers, but it's HARDER now. Say it three times fast and see if it makes sense. If it does, check yourself into a mental hospital lol.

[sopa71479]

finally came out of hibernation huh

[andgar923]

How can you say they couldn't when I've seen it happen and there's vids online aside from mine that show this? I watch Lakers games all the time, and I rarely see Kobe get doubled without the ball. He's on the perimeter most of the time, whenever there's a slight double without the ball, is in the post,which he hardly does.

[blackadam06]

Hey man, ever notice kobe apologists ALWAYS imply that the current defenses in the league are much "harder/complicated" than yester year, thus the reason for his CONSISTENT shortcomings vs MJ's production?

LOL!!

Do they not realize that the NBA made these changes to ACCOMODATE wing players, just for them to even produce like their predecessors! Kobe's #'s picked up AFTER the changes!

So "HOW" can current defenses be "harder" for him, yet he scores MORE pts SINCE they're inception?

[Scooby2791]

This is such a stupid point that you all make. The way you say the changes in defense and all that is the reason Kobe is good is all BS. Defense is only as good as its players. What I'm getting at here is that its not the defense like zone & the handchecking thing thats the problem its the defensive PLAYER less willing to participate on D. Back in the 80's/90's most teams would have had their own Bruce Bowen or two thats why D was tougher, nuthin' 2 do with zone and all that bull,,

[Scooby2791]

,,if a zone is played right like the way we play in Europe it is very effective just like the simple pick & roll. All it is, is that the players have to be willing to put in the work and actually play real D instead of always wanting the ball in their hands.

[blackadam06]

"They got rid of the ability to use your forearms and contact on the perimeter. It's a guard's league now and that's why you see Chris Paul and Deron Williams having so much success. The new interpretation of the rules doesn't allow contact on the perimeter so it's easier to dominate as a guard right now". -- John Paxon 2008

It appears that U don't know ANYTHING about defenses or their history & "HOW" they've affected the ability to PLAY it & the OFFENSIVE guys they're DESIGNED to aid/deter.

[ronaraullo]

not just forearms and elbows but the knees and the legs especially with the Bad Boys and the 90's Knicks

[blackadam06]

My b-ball acumen is fine. If U believe that, I question yours..

If U believe having rules that PROHIBITS big guys from clogging the lane for more than 3 seconds & not being able to put a forearm or a hand on a guy, thus making it HARDER for them to get off clean shots, DOESN't affect "HOW" guys play defense, then you're DUMBER than your comment is..

How can U address the "Willingness" of players regarding defense, WITHOUT addressing the "Paradigm" from which they're FORCED to operate from?

[blackadam06]

Look at the dramatic INCREASE in the OFFENSIVE production with wing players "AFTER" the rules changes!

You have 4 players today who've had 60+ pt games SINCE the changes..ALL perimeter players (A.I., Arenas, Kobe & T-mac).

Before '05, the ONLY active player with a 60 pt game was Shaq! So all of this is the result of an UNWILLINGNESS of guys today to play defense? WTF ever! I don't think so..

The changes to the rules are the reason guys like kobe are even mentioned in the conversation!

[Jordanhair]

You used to say that ."Am from East coast and was a knick fan also"

You watched games,I watched the games and everyone watched the games here.

So "kobe always gets doubled before catching the ball" is a joke.

[Jordanhair]

"When you talk about how the Knicks and Bulls used to battle in the early '90s, the Oakleys, and Pat Ewings, the Masons, and how they would have the ability to use their hands to put you in a trap position.

There is no way you can even triple team a guy now and stop him. Any contact is a foul" ---Pippen.

How can you refute this? Its in the rules.

Its in the rules plain and simple. Do not complicate things.

[andgar923]

Yet he still faced tougher defenses than Kobe did.

If we wanna believe what you think is true.

I also had vids of Kobe and he didn't get doubled before he touched the ball, its called EDITING. Kpah edits his vids to make it seem as so. I could've easily done the same thing with my vids as well. Show a man cutting thru the lane and freeze it as soon as he passes by MJ. Or when they're going for a rebound, or an inbounds play, or when the man momentarily sags.

[Jordanhair]

By the way,I also have a bunch of kobe's games,so "kobe always gets doubled before catching the ball" is very funny.

[andgar923]

I don't deny that there's instances, but these stans believe its every possession of every play. When he goes up against one on one defenders and weak traps 90% of the time.

[blackadam06]

These dummies & their MJ facing smaller players argument is laughable..

During MJ's scoring PRIME, there were 3 Def Player Of the Year winners who were so called "Small" guards (M. Cooper, A. Robertson, & G. Payton)

Hell, S. Moncrief won DPOY back 2 back the 2 years B4 MJ was drafted!

Thats 6 out of 14 during the 80's & mid 90's & 1 out of 12 "SINCE" who "WEREN'T" centers!

These so called "smaller guys" back then were damn good "DEFENDERS" & their DPOY Awards PROVE it!

[blackadam06]

It's just BLATANT hypocrisy & desperation on the end of these kobe homers to try & level the playing field for them to make these bogus comparisons to MJ because these SAME idiots WON'T acknowledge the Mavs used to use Jason Kidd on Kobe, or Chicago used Kirk Hinrich on him.

Anyone who says anything about MJ facing guys like Clyde Drexler, Rolando Blackman, Glen Rice, Penny Hardaway, Magic, Michael Cooper, Mark Aguirre, Gerald Wilkins & so on, are idiots & know nothing about b-ball..

[Jordanhair]

John Long was 6'5.

If he looks 4-5 inches shorter than Jordan in somebody's eyes,then,it's a evidence that shorter and smaller jersy made those 80's players looked shorter and smaller.

[andgar923]

This and my other vids are NOT to say Kobe doesn't get trapped or that MJ is the only one to get defended this way. Its to show how contrary to some people, HE DID and far more frequently than many thought or remembered.How it wasn't an occasional trap, but a constant array of triple and double teams almost everytime he touched the ball.

[MJisKingKobesuckss]

Refs barley ever called Illegal D. PAH is a moron and like you guys said he's just getting the little dumb kids who don't know what real ball to follow his dumbass. Andgar keep putting out these Great Vid cause we know theres a lot more VID of Jordan playing against tough D then kobe ever did. Jordan dealt with every night.

[bwink23]

fantastic andgar....now only if u can get PAH to stop being a bitch and accept your vid responses.

[blackadam06]

KB42PAH enjoys having a "following" of dumb kids who are stupid enough to believe him. This is WHY he does what he does.

His SOLE purpose is for distance & irritation regarding the MJ/kobe topic..

Look what he left on my page:

KB42PAH: "I dont discredit all legends. I don't discredit jordan at all. He would dominate in any era and be one - if not the best. Jordan is a worthy player that personifies greatness. But I do discredit bird, magic, nique, dr. j who are all overrated by fans"

[blackadam06]

I mean, when someone makes comments like that about the TRUE LEGENDS of the sport, either they're incredibly dumb or they're just trying to get a rise outta people, which in his case I feel, is BOTH..

If U notice, he blocks people like me from commenting on his vids because he KNOWS there isn't ONE arguement he can make for kobe, that we can't shoot down with FACTUAL content, or he'll just delete your comments to keep his dumb kiddie viewers from SEEING the TRUTH..

[andgar923]

I don't worry about his channel much.Since his viewers are gonna believe what they want to anyway. YOU and the other viewers can help tho.His vids are cited as a legit and credible source all over the net. They appear everywhere and are used to brainwash fans. What you and others can do is embed my vids and others like them as a counter argument. If you have blogs or visit blogs share them. If you want to make you want to take credit go ahead. I only care about the truth.

[sopa71479]

Awesome vid andgar this is what i was referring to to PAH when i say there is more to a game than scoring its the intangibles of the era that made it so great awesome vid

[mikester8821]

Awesome. Proof that refs hardly ever called illegal D. I bet it would be easy to make a series of games like this when teams play zone and double/triple jordan.

[jeditwinz]

Amen. Back then people would hold you by the jersey or shorts and handcheck bruises on people. They would give you forearms as you ran through the lane and in the case of the Pistons, knock you on your ass. Jordan got the shit kicked out of him in this era and with the exception of his injury season...posted 28 points or better including his 37 ppg season

[andgar923]

I keep having server problems, I'm not done annotating yet.

[andgar923]

PIECE OF SHIT SERVER!!!!!