i back you up 100% and to all skeptics! a opened mind will bring you to the right place/info...keep in mind that you will only see what you expect is there... be opened and you will see the big picture. p.s meditation will unlock many natural phenomenons/e.s.p
Here are the three TK applications. You should read them carefully, as the to-be-agreed-on protocol would probably be similar for PSI wheel spinning, and it's pretty fair and doable for you! It's also interesting to see why the applications were terminated eventually. None of the reasons should apply to you IMO.
I come back with possibly some interesting news. You think that there were many people before you reaching for the prize? That's true, but... The JREF homepage has a public list of applications of the last couple of years at forumsDOTrandiDOTorgSLASHforumdisplayDOTphp?f=43 . I checked through the list, and I could only find 3 (three!) applications for demonstration of TK. And none - I repeat: NONE - of them were about PSI wheel spinning. So, do you still have a good reason not to apply? :-)
I am serious about the Nobel Price, since a successful TK experiment would suggest the existence of an additional physical force. It cannot be one of the two nuclear forces, because they are too short-reaching. And forget about gravimetric waves! So only electromagnetism remains as a candidate. From the experimental settings (distance to the wheel, its mass and speed), physicists can calculate physical ramifications that should hold. If testing them fails, then it can't even be electromagnetism!
Addition: I just found your Video called "Telekinesis through a window". Something in this direction would probably be a good approach in a laboratory experiment, I guess. The wheel would be in a sealed other room, so you would have no chance to ever get in touch with the wheel. The conditions in the wheel room would be well-controlled (no air, heat, and stuff like this), so that the wheel could not move by itself. Just an idea.
Ah, and finally, to come back to James Randi: If TK gets accepted by the Physics research community, then Randi will get into quite some difficulties not to pass you the money - even if you haven't demonstrated him your abilities directly! :-)
Consider the involved interests: Making a PSI wheel-spinning experiment well-controled and fool-proof is very easy for physics people, so there is not much risk for them here. But there is MUCH TO WIN for them, when they are able to publish a successful TK experiment in a renowned journal. Well, I'd say, this would go straight into the direction of a Nobel Price (for /them/, of course, not for you - you would only be the probant... but hey! :-))
Approach: You would first try to meet with some physics folks, e.g. PhD students, and you can show them your TK abilities in a private session. Researchers are often quite open minded, because it's their job (not like many physics advocates on YT), and they are familiar with strange stuff (just think about time dilation or effects of Bose-Einstein condensates, which can all be measured). They would discuss it with their group's head, and this would hopefully result in a controlled experiment.
You should consider being tested by university researchers. In a physics laboratory, PSI wheel spinning is easily testable under controlled and unfakable conditions. It's like any simple experiment of classical mechanics. You would get all the time you want to do your preparations and actual experiments, and the wheel would be watched by a camera all the time. When the wheel finally moves, it'll be recorded by the camera, and Physics would have a new paradigm shift thanks to you're help!
@ShahnamPersia It's truly baffling how people like you are so quick to draw prejudices rather than searching for the truth. Pseudo-skepticism and dogmatism at its finest....
age.you seem to do it a little bit longer than me,and my heart says keep goin get better you can ,do you have maybe a little tip i want to do it the right way,i get a little headache after it and i was hungry and tired,i slepped very good yesterday after doing it.
keep looking at the good comments,as soon as i see sh.t or fu..k in a comment i stop reading.stammi bene va ciao
hello,how are you doin,hope good.if you allow the question,are you still doin tk at the moment.
i saw your first video wich made me try to do the psi wheel 4 days ago,and i had a good session yesterday where i sat 3 meters away from the wheel and made it turn left and right in one flow for about 20 sec,you said it spins because you want it to = )i guess that helped me a lot,but i dont know nobody who i can talk to because here where i live people are not very open minded not even the ones in my
James Randi is biggest scam .. see my video JREF update and better, read information in details.. JREF is waist of time, they ready to test scam and delusional people to make fun of them and look good..YE we proved it again.. its nonsense.. but when it come to some one who really can show them and prove them wrong.. there are loads of time waisting and in the end NO TEST. But sadly people to offten refer to JREF and have no idea what they are talking about!
It sounds like you couldn't use a million dollar! this is total bullshit! IF YOU ARE REAL THEN YOU CAN MANAGE ANY CONTROLED ENVIRONMENT EXPERIMENT! stop bullshiting are you so stupid that you actually think you have any powers? besides who said you had to trust JR to do the experiment. stop bullshiting man!
I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult. Any psychology department at a community college would do. I'm sure SOMEONE would snap at the chance of having the ability to witness real psychokinesis in test conditions.
@MetaphysicalShadows Remember that the past hundred years are absolutely littered with such experiments. Many of them are collated by Dean Radin in his book, "Entangled Minds," and they provide very positive evidence for psi. Personally, I would hesitate to get involved with just anybody, because I would want to be sure of fair unbiased treatment and a productive sense of skepticism.
@darrylsloan look, people are going to continue to not believe you untill you do something other than making videos on youtube... if you do not put the effort to atleast prove to your viewers that you are "physic" like doing a REAL science experiment and you should quit making excuses like everyone else who has failed at a physic challenge
Ha Ha Ha....your so full of shit.....go get your million IF your real....but your NOT..simple.....don't call me a skeptic call me a scientist Daryl Sloan..
Oh wait but youll sell your book for money nothing stopping you there?
Oh and by the way, the people who stubbornly say to prove it and take the challenge are bigots. They strongly believe in the assertion that if you are psychic, you'll pass the challenge easily and what makes their bigotry more evident is the strong faith in the challenge without even bothering to question and critique its methodology. These bigots who declare themselves as skeptics is ironic because they don't question/doubt their side. I am way more skeptical than these pseudoskeptics.
@IceAges14Aces So I am a bigot just because I need some type of evidence for these claims? What the hell are you saying? Are you serious?! That man claims do to be able to do something that is science says it's impossible...It's his job to prove it...(which he refuses to do). If he proves that science is wrong.. WONDERFULL, cause that's how science moves foward. Until then he is a lying prick.
@KhaosCreator It seems you have fallen to that Burden of Proof illogical bullshit. The onus always lies on the person making an assertion regardless of it. If I assert that psi exist in an experiment, I have the onus & If a skeptic assert that psi doesn't exist in an experiment, he/she also has the onus. You have asserted that Darryl is a fraud; therefore, you, as well as Darryl, have the burden of proof and it is up to you and him to provide the empirical evidence for your or his credibility.
@IceAges14Aces You're wrong...I simply told him he should provide evidence for his claims. He refuses to do so and made a video just to make some stupid excuses. If doesn't want to be tested by Randi there are plenty other people who will. But just knows he can't fool James Randi. Why do you people take to much offense for me wanting some evidence? If this proved to be true it would be a major breaktrought for mankind...Let it be seen and be shown...
@KhaosCreator "I simply told him he should provide evidence"
That's indeed a skeptical approach and I respect you on that.
"Why do you people take to much offense for me wanting some evidence?"
I'm not offending you; however, you had claimed that Darryl is a fraud, so the onus lies on you to provide the evidence that he is a fraud. The fact that he has fail to take the challenge doesn't mean he is a fraud. Lack of evidence/proof of a proposition ≠ evidence/proof against a proposition.
@IceAges14Aces If he indeed has these powers he would want to prove them, and I would celebrate such a discovery. It would be a great service to mankind. He just refuses to, and there's probably a reason why he does so. If he doesn't like James Randy, there are plenty other people that are qualified to examine his claims. Bottom line, he made the claims about his "research", I asked for the evidence he said " No!" and "try it yourself"...Why is that so hard to understand? He's a fraud....
@KhaosCreator "If he indeed has these powers he would want to prove them"
That of course is just an assumption.
Again, lack of evidence/proof of a proposition ≠ evidence/proof against a proposition. If you want to know for sure his experiments are completely bull, the best thing you can do is duplicate his experiments & if his hypotheses survive under many of your experiments, you have good evidence his hypotheses is valid, if contrary, you have good evidence it's invalid.
@IceAges14Aces He even went to far as to call this "science experiments", but in science after you done your research and your experiments you have to present your conclusions with well documented evidence. Otherwise it has no validity. That is what science is all about. and until he does that, everything that he claims cannot considered to be true. Since he his so afraid to be put trought tests that can only prevent him from cheating I think it his pretty fair on my part to think he is lying.
@KhaosCreator Actually, a scientific experiment is an experiment that test a hypothesis nothing less nothing more. Furthermore, there's no such thing as a scientific method that all scientists must follow or complete in order for their research to be scientific. Science is just a method of inquiry based on hypothesis testing facilitated by data collection. All Darryl's experiments are doing is testing the assertions the skeptics throw out in the psi-wheel & hypotheses regarding telekinesis.
@IceAges14Aces Ok...I give up. That one was way too stupid. Keep watching Darryl's claiming to do the impossible without providing evidence...Lets all believe him just cause he says so...cause nobody else has ever lied about these things before right?.. . . All I wanted was some proof...I must be the devil...And everybody his giving him escuses and reason not to be tested by anyone besides himself..NOW that's fucking science!!! Really really fucking smart...Skeptics are such bastards...
@DarkMuu666 I'M NOT MAKING ANY CLAIMS YOU STUPID IGNORANT MOTHERFUCKER....I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PROVE...HE DOES AND REFUSES TO PROVE IT, AND UNTIL HE DOES...HE IS AN ASSHOLE...GO JERK OFF...
@KhaosCreator He did make a claim, and does tutorials. Now, YOU go out there and do your OWN independent tests to see if it works or not. Oh wait, that's not Randi approved, my bad. I'll give you some advice... When it comes to this subject, there's a lot of fakers. Just like there was in science before it came to the forefront. Now, if you want evidence, YOU have to find it on your own. A good scientist does that. Now go out there and experiment! :D
@DarkMuu666 Are you that stupid? That's not how science works...I can't even believe you could write such a stupid statement...In science you ALWAYS present evidence of your claims and conclusion (NOT TUTORIALS ON YOUTUBE) so that they can be debated and validated. And yes tested too. But not like this...What he is doing can be done by the worse magicians/conjurers. You do the tests...I'll be laughting at you...you ignorant fuck...
part 2...and since you think that's how science works here it goes...I'll make my own claim - I CAN FLY...I JUMP FROM REALLY TALL BUILDINGS AND FLAP MY ARMS REALLY HARD AND FLY AWAY...I'm not gonna prove it to any of you cause I don't have to...So don't you dare acusing me of lying .Test it ourselves...Jump off a tall building and flap your arms lad...now go out there and experiment you fucking genius...
@KhaosCreator You had obviously misinterpreted what I said regarding bigotry. The reason why I had called you a bigot is because you strongly believe in the assertion that if you have psi, you would pass the challenge easily & you put high, self-confidence that the challenge is legit without bothering to question/critique its methodology. It's very easy for a test to go methodologically wrong & it can cause false-negative results, which has nothing to do with the claimant, but the test itself.
@IceAges14Aces And by the way...many people have tested people that make claims like these, including scientists from many universities, not just James Randi. And guess what...all the people that made the claims were shown to be lying, cheating or crazy. Other tests just failed to show any paranormal phenomenon, and other tests were just poorly conducted. These people have been tested for decades...they all failed. I'm willing to be shown but until then...get real.
@IceAges14Aces That is a lie...people who take the challenge do NOT pay for the tests. You are just not well informed. And the tests are acurate...they are just setup in a way that rules out the possibility of cheating and that's when these people start to have problems...I wonder why!!! And do you people do? You make cheap and fony escuses instead of asking them to provide evidence...Not smart at all...
@KhaosCreator "That is a lie...people who take the challenge do NOT pay for the tests."
Well, can you please explain to me why the people must pay up the tests is implied in the JREF Challenge FAQ? Can it be that you're misinformed?
"And the tests are acurate"
This is where my hardcore skepticism comes to the picture. How can you be sure these tests are realiable? Have you question/critique its methodology or could it be that you have delude yourself due to the Bare Assertion Fallacy?
lol dude you are soo weak it would take so little for you to repeat you experiments in front of people who will check on the subjectivity of your experiments
if you have those abilities you claim to have, just apply for the challenge and bring your film crew in as an evidence from your side. if they cheat - sue them... nothing to lose
It is not faith to have a verifiable, repeatable test, in fact that is science. "I don't see you doing any test, I am doing all the tests."
This is the exact reason your claims cannot be taken seriously in any scientific context. The test should and needs to be repeated for science to work.
Wow you are really flailing around for a reason to not to win a million dollars. Telekinesis is not accepted by because it has not been demonstrable in any repeatable way.
if you can do it then take the test... the worst thing that can happen would be to fail... the best is u win 1 million dollers.... if u could actualy do it then there is no reason not to take it?
I don't feel like I speak for everybody...never wanted to. But since you are here making these kind of videos trying to convince people that they just have to take your word for these kind of claims, you will have to accept criticisms...Evidence dude, that's what you need. Randi will at least give on a MILLION DOLLARS if you're for real. Don't want the money? Give it to charity...Or get help...
@KhaosCreator These are fairly typical objections and are easily answered. Regarding evidence, I have always encouraged people to prove this to themselves but doing learning it, and doing it, not by believing me. That would be an insult to anyone's intelligence. Regarding Randi, the contest is not scientifically valid. Doesn't take account of small anomalies that can only be proven through statistical analysis over multiple counts. It will never be won. It was never meant to be.
@darrylsloan That's a lie and you know it...Genuine powers would NOT be hard to prove...Either you do it or you don't....and you don't. If you did you wouldn't be such a freaking coward and hide at your home flashing silly bullshit at your web cam....F$&# off
@KhaosCreator I've tried to be polite and rational with you and show you where you're going wrong in your arguments., despite the fact that you continually erect straw-men in your defence, All you're doing now is getting emotional and throwing reason completely out the window. It's impossible to have a productive conversation with someone like you. Don't tell me to fuck off. You approached me. If you can't take a rational rebuttal, you fuck off.
@KhaosCreator That's laughable.. Essentially, what you're telling Darryl is that it is not hard to discover the how and whys of phenomena yet to be delved into by the general mass. If it was not hard, and there were no areas of grey, it wouldn't have been hard for ANY experiments for the past few thousand years. We would be thousands of years more advanced if you could just find a problem, and without any delay, solve it. It takes work, and whether you believe it or not, u need to TEST IT.
@dcent2. I AGREE...I want these people to be tested by serious people that have a serious aproach to the subjet. But these people REFUSE to be tested by reliable scientists. And before you try to understand the "why and the hows" of these so called phenomenons you first have to prove that they ACTUALLY took place. That's how REAL science works. And so far no one has even done that. No matter what you people say. I wish it was true...but it's not. Prove your fucking claims or shut the fuck up.
@KhaosCreator Actually, James Randi's Challenge is indeed bigotry. They strongly believe in the assertion that if you're psychic, you'll pass the challenge easily and they put strong faith in it without even questioning and critiquing its methodology. In addition, the challenge expects odds against chance much more than what be would be evidence in universal statistical standards and in the formal test they expect more odds against chance; otherwise, fail. What idiotic double-standard is that?
@KhaosCreator By the way, your arguments against Darryl claims are fallacious. Your proposition strongly asserts Darryl is a fraud because he had failed to prove it, which is a form of an argument from ignorance. If you want to justify your proposition, you need empirical, unbias evidence, not evidence based on dogmatism.
This is the WORST excuse for not doing the challenge...Nobody believes you after that...Comparing The James Randi Education Fundation to religion is just stupid as hell...Do the test and stop making excuses...The others failed because all of them were liars...just like you.
@KhaosCreator Well, I'm sorry you feel you speak for everybody, but you really only speak for yourself. Are you even aware that not one skeptical organisation is an affiliate of the AAAS (largest scientific org in the world, and one which recognises parapsychology as a legitimate discipline). Perhaps you'll begin to see the short-sighted fundamentalism in your own assertion.
@KhaosCreator Or maybe they failed because if they succeeded, they didnt have the right tools to explain WHY they succeeded, so the Leaders of this contest changed the environment unfitting to the result.
@dcent2 Dude, that is ridiculous...You prove that the phenomona happens or you don't. Period. That ideia that you people have that scientists don't want to prove these powers to be true it's just stupid...Or couse they want to...you'll get a nobel prize for discovering something like that. Get real...prove your claims! that's all! You people want to shut up the skeptics? Prove your claims and stop hidding like this asshole in the video with the crazy eyes...and go get laid.
@KhaosCreator Like I said....If more people got on board then maybe it would be proven true or false. The fact of the matter is, it hasnt been proven either flippin way. You just decide to put faith in the fact that you think its impossible because of what YOU believe to be true. And I believe it is. There is no evidence supporting the "against" argument. Secondly, even if they did test it, , it took years for things in chemistry, such as isotopes, to be proven real. Dont be such a dick.
@dcent2 It doesn't matter how many people get on board in this. Facts are not a matter of belief or vote...And the "against" argument doesn't need to prove nothing, the people that MAKE THE CLAIMS are the one's who have to provide evidence. And they have LOTS of places where they can prove their claims. LOTS...But they REFUSE to be tested so they don't get exposed. James Hydrick is really good example.He fooled alot of people but when the test came he got busted... And this guy would be too.
@KhaosCreator No one understands telekinesis or any phenomenon liek it. You cant prove it if you dont have a good fucking grasp on it. Im saying the same damn thing over and over a-fucking-gain. No one knows if you release sub atomic particles. No one knows if you make waves similar to radiowaves escaping the need or air, and no one knows if your mind creates air currents. No one knows, so how can a scientifically controlled enviroment be certain? You may have taken away an important factor.
@dcent2 One thing is to understand how the phenomenon of telekinesis works, another thing is to prove that it happens at all. That has NEVER been shown. That's how science works, they try to figure out a phenomenon that actually happens and undestand how and why it happens. Telekinesis has never been shown to happen at all...in fact the people who claim that can do its have all been exposed has frauds or demented people. And most (like this guy) refuse to be tested.Gee I wonder why!!! hmm
@KhaosCreator Im going to post something someone else said to another. "I think scientist cannot prove it becasue the ways they test for it is under strict controlled conditions, and TK, sometimes cannot be produced in the same way everytime, for a scientist to prove that something exists, they have to be able to reproduce the results in the same way and fashion in their trials to be able to say that the trials were legit." Alot of people dont even know how to make accurate reproductions.
@dcent2 They have to test for in under strict conditions to prevent trickery. And even then some scientists can get fooled. That's why it's so hard to fool James Randi cause he knows how people are fooled. That fact that they can never perform those feats when they are in a controlled setting says a lot to me. Once they are in a place where they can't cheat they are never are able to do it. Don't you find that strange? This guy says he can do it at home. But in front of James Randi he can't?hmm
@KhaosCreator he cant bcoz he cant com up wit weird xplanations if his tricks fail under controlled conditions or james randi imitates dem nd says dat dere s no telekinesis by which he will put in the same category as dat of james hydrick( he actually is but hes just more of a coward cuz hydrick at least gave it a shot)
@KhaosCreator This guys is claiming that he is doing something supernatural.Why i'm I such a bad guy to demand for evidence? Goddam it, if he has this incredible "gift" share it with the world.that would change the world and the way we live, so how can people be so stupid to the point to think that science doesn't want this to be true?...JUST PROVE IT! No escuses...So far you have got no facts at all...not ONE shred of evidence NOT ONE! And these claims have been made for centuries...Weird uh?
@KhaosCreator Would one of you please, kindly listen to at least one thing this man has said. Notably the subtle nuance of information where he states that, one should find things out for themselves. In attempt to contact James, it was discovered that he indeed offered one million dollars to anyone who could prove the paranormal, one million dollars in "bonds". If you do not understand how bonds work, feel free to consult the wonderful archives of Google. Over skepticism is counterproductive.
@PsionicArchon So I'm supposed to spend weeks and months of my life attemping to do something just because he says it's true? Without evidence? Give me break! One thing is to be over skeptic in face of evidence, HE HASN'T PROVIDED NONE, and worst of all, HE REFUSES to validate his claims. Come on, that has to mean something...All he has got to do is do that shit that he claims to do so often ONCE in a controlled setting where cheating cannot occur. And that "bonds" thing is just another excuse..
@KhaosCreator No that "bonds thing" is far from a simple excuse. If you have six or seven hundred dollars to blow on a plain ticket to fly all the way out there, simply for the possibility of earning some worthless corporate bonds, I wish you the best of luck. Hell, I'm still trying, very hard mind you to ascertain why it is I am even contributing to a counter argument when your bold declaration of "HE HASN'T PROVED NOTHING" about covers it all. If you do not like his channel, go elsewhere.
@PsionicArchon Your comment on the "bonds" IS an excuse (a bad one), and if you get the media in your country talking about your "powers", James Randi would set up the test in your town (he has done that on several ocasions) so you woudn't need plane tickets. My declaration wasn't bold, he really hasn't provided any evidence, and still you are at home staring at objects trying to move them. Damn, if were him I would be laughting my ass off...
@KhaosCreator That's it, until you can grasp the concept of simple grammar I refuse to continue this argument. For the love of all things scientific, he hasn't -->proven<-- any evidence... proved... You're also taking this argument in a circle, restating the same confounded point, that's clearly not holding up. If you don't believe, fine, go elsewhere, no one here is shoving anything down your throat. Asking someone to appear before the media, on making a psi-wheel twitch is rather preposterous.
@PsionicArchon I do admit that my grammar might not be the best, but english is just one of the languages that I can speak and it's not the language we use in my country...So I will make mistakes now and then but still you can understand me. So fuck off...I keep bringing that fact that he does not provide evidence for his claims nor does he want to cause he nows he would fall on his ass. You people just want this to be true so hard that you fail to see the obvious. So lame...
@KhaosCreator Rather then relying on your over-skepticism why don't you provide a means by which this person can provide evidence that is within his means. What would be satisfactory for you? In what way does this mans' beliefs differing from yours injure you? I only ask do to the fact that you are taking such extreme offense to something aimed at no one. In closing, if you are going to attack these videos, and judging by your posts below, you avidly continue, then attack the bible would you.
@PsionicArchon Asking for evidence is not over-skepticism, believing in something without even asking for evidence is just being gullible. I take offence because he actually is insulting peoples intelligence by thinking we would believe this. And he IS doing harm cause he is wasting peoples time by sugesting that people should be training this shit at home. And I'm not atacking his beliefs...he doesn't believe in this...he KNOWS he is faking it.
@PsionicArchon And he is making or trying to make money with his fucking books. I have problem with that for sure. All he is doing is wasting peoples time and rotting people's brains. I'm done with this...you people win. you're too gullible...fuck it.
@KhaosCreator@KhaosCreator Churches attempt to make money all of the time, you seem to be missing the point here. If he wants to create a book based on his beliefs, and others choose to listen that is entirely within their rights as a human being. That, and you have yet to answer my question, if you believe you are so much more intelligent, that much more capable the person, then I pose the same question. Are you able to prove it?
@PsionicArchon Churches are a different subject...He is NOT making a book about his beliefs, It's about his claims and his lies. And that's is a really stupid question .I've never claimed to be more intelligent than anybody, but there are ways to prove that and I would do it if I was making those sort of claims. He makes stupid claims and refuses to go to James Randi or some scientists to prove them. He is a fucking pussy. That's how it works..Big claims require extraordinary evidence.
@KhaosCreator You are either completely missing, and or dodging the point entirely. Speaking of claims, that is all you have done thus far, make "claims" that were you to be in a similar situation that you yourself would submit to media based tests. You're not giving the people with whom watch these videos enough credit. I saw them, it peaked my interest, and now I may run tests of my own. Mind you, in a controlled environment. I am done with this, make your last post. I have better things to do
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@superdiza Every sceptic has their own personal ideas about what I should do to satisfy them, not to mention the ever shifting goalpost. Your suggestion might satisfy you, but it won't satisy many others, which is why I don't play that game. I've advised people to discover the reality of this by experimenting with it for themselves. If you don't want to put in the time, that's up to you.
You're obviously an intelligent man, yet I find your reply deeply disappointing.
Your videos have inspired me to build my own wheel, and I've experiment with it for 2 days now. I'd some moderate success (and my heart jumped), yet it is VERY easy to delude one self.
Your triumph over normal-consciousness will inspire millions and raise the vibration of the ENTIRE planet.
ALL that is asked of you is to open your sessions for a few people, either as observers or students.
@superdiza I'm sorry you find it disappointing, but try looking at this from my angle. If I kept a list of all the things sceptics wanted me to do, it would be pretty long and varied. You have everything you need to make this happen already, which is simply yourself. A little experimentation and persistence is all that's required.
All that is asked is that you'll do your magic in-front of present-people, not in-front of a camera.
That is much simpler of a request than asking the entire world to repeat your experiment. Notice that in all the history of ALL THE WORLD, no one have EVER repeatedly proved this feat to be real.
They did what you are doing right now. excusing themselves.
There is no list by the sceptics, there is only this trivial request.
@superdiza You're only showing your own ignorance here. Psi phenomena have a long history of experimental evidence, even government funded projects. There is a wealth of statistical evidence in its favour. Try reading Dean Radin's "Entangled Minds." You ask me to get to get a TV crew then call it a trivial request. Good grief.
@superdiza "There is no list by the sceptics, there is only this trivial request." You don't seem to realise that I've been through this same ordeal with a hundred other sceptics, each of whom wants something different from me before he will be satisfied. You're acting like you're the only sceptic who ever asked me a question. I've provided information that allows people to obtain these effects. I consider that more than enough, and don't really care whether you or anyone else believes me.
Yet, with great power comes great responsibility..:)
My assumption is that if this is repeatable and learnable on a mass scale, we shall see huge leaps in reality, quite soon, as more people master the ability. If a yogi can fly, people should SEE him, thus fly themselves...:)
if you said : "I can teleport from my kitchen to my living room" and you made a video showing you accomplishing that, and i said "wow!! cool!! now come over to my house and show me in my kitchen and my living room"..And you said, "Oh no I couldn't do that because you are just a skeptic and i do not need to prove anything to you." . I would immediately call BULLSHIT!! You supposedly have a gift that could do wonders for science and potentially benefit society.
If I had the ability to move objects with my mind, I would be more than willing, anxious even, to show and prove this to anyone who asked. This would make you go down in the history books as someone who changed what we know about physics and everything we were taught and it would force society to re-think what we now know.. And you would deny such a challenge? You would deny being known as the only person in HISTORY who could accomplish this and prove its possibilities? Again, I smell BULLSHIT!
@tgnEVE The JREF claims there are scientists and statisticians involved, but I seriously doubt it. I have seen the JREF's tests protocols and I found statistical flaws, especially the part where the dowser had to find the water out of 10 containers. The flaw here is that the sample-size were too small to detect a statistical significant result if it exist. Even if the dowser did got it out of 1 shot, it's not evidence. Sorry, but the JREF seriously need to improve their protocols.
@tgnEVE I find it funny how the JREF is not responsible and doesn't have the resources to pay off the expensive tests, yet they supposedly got scientists on their sides. I mean come on. If scientists are really on their sides, then they would support the JREF by paying off the expensive tests. If the JREF really is scientific, they should have no problem about paying off the tests. NASA spends billions of money in their research, why not the JREF??? Hmm, I wonder.......
@tgnEVE "Faith in JREF? No. That's false. It's science." It's Science? Hmm, more like pseudoscience. If it was really scientific, then the JREF would work on hypotheses, theories and models, just like all other scientific disciplines, such as biology, physics, chemistry, astronomy, etc. Science is a method of inquiry based on hypothesis testing facilitated by data collection, nothing less and nothing more. The JREF does not investigate things via scientific methodology.
If you're genuine, you'll pass the challenge. I suspect that you're not however and that you're making excuses. Straight away you say skeptics ask with 'disdain' - reverting straight to an attack on the person. Forget the people, focus on the arguments. If you're genuine then you should be able to demonstrate it under reasonable experimental conditions. Anything else, any excuses, are hand-waving and special pleading. Doesn't the invisible dragon let you do it under scrutiny?
@telephas1c "Straight away you say skeptics ask with 'disdain' " And you proved me right: "Doesn't the invisible dragon let you do it under scrutiny?"
You know, you have a good point about the fact that telekinesis may not work in a vacuum. For all we know, it could travel as a longitudinal wave. which works by compressing atoms to traveL, like sound. If you tried it with a vucuum nothing would happen because it wouldnt be able to travel. But that would also go against your thoery that distance doesnt affect how well telekinesis works.
@floorpopsicles Perhaps those who claim they can bend spoons should spend some time working to understand the fundamental properties of matter. 25 years of work in physics and chemistry, years of post doc work and many intense sessions in graduate seminars ought to do it. Then, with enough work and experimentation, some telekinetic physicist might someday show that it is physically possible to bend a spoon with her mind. Until that happens, telekinesis is merely a magic trick.
Spouting bullshit ad infinitum does not detract from the fact that you are an idiot. Suggesting that it is required to debunk your particular delusion is more shit - you are the one proposing the preposterous - the onus is on you to "prove" your hypothetical fallacy - however, your brand of nonsense has already been adequately debunked. Refusing the million dollar challenge with baseless moronic semantics serves only to categorise you with the other dumb fucks.
I have no idea what you are raving about - and it is obvious that you are totally clueless regarding my comment.
James Randi's challenge is simple - if ANYONE can provide ANY proof of the paranormal they win. Tests are done in a properly conducted scientific environment.
Why has no one won - because they are all frauds and will invariably all either refuse to be tested or fail.
@tellnet "Tests are done in a properly conducted scientific environment."
That cleary tells me that you really do put your faith on James challenge. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is not done under a properly conducted scientific environment. If it was, then answer these questions: Were the subjects truly randomly selected? (No, they were selected to the ones who signed the applications and mutually agreed upon the protocols) Selection like that on any tests/study makes it bias.
You are obviously a totally confused and deluded individual.
"Were the subjects truly randomly selected" - what sort of idiocy is that ???
JR does NOT seek to discredit paranormal events per se - His challenge SIMPLY requires the INDIVIDUAL who lays claim to their PARTICULAR brand of nonsense to be tested for validity - the fact that NONE have either accepted or bettered the challenge is somewhat more than significant.
@tellnet Were the subjects truly randomly selected" - what sort of idiocy is that ???
Ever heard of selection bias? When the subjects are selected unrandomly and the subjects' will to be tested makes the tests/study bias. If you were a scientist and presenting your own research, critics, like me, are going to question your methodology, research, and try to look for possible explanations, such as publication biases, biases, lack of proper sample-sizes, etc.
@tellnet I've never said that the dowsing test is part of the challenge. I was refering to one of James tests as statistically flawed. Yes, he did demonstrated his supposed dowsing power and failed. Even if he got it on his first or second attempt, it is still based on chance, just like on his third trial. What's the difference? Again, just because a person failed to prove his/her claim doesn't mean the person can't do it, but there's no reason to believe in the person either.
@tellnet Do you even know what the hell statistically significant means? No, not getting it correct on the first or second attempt is not statistically significant, so I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Ad Hominem truths? There's no such thing.
"Typical American deluded gullible twat. The shit that emanates from your country is laughable."
That clearly tells me that you are a bigot filled with dogmatic shit. No shit, but you are the one with no sense of rationality.
@tellnet Statistics have nothing to do with it? Ok, if statistics have nothing to do with it, then how the hell are we going to know whether he/she got it by chance or not? Once again, getting it on the first or second attempt is based on chance, not evidence of dowsing. In order to show evidence of the dowser's claim, the test must have proper sample-size in which the statistical power is at least 80%. If the dowser is able to get hits than expected by chance, then that's evidence.
This time I am going to be polite (For a change !).
Pay attention.
Presumably, you did not watch, or ignored the Dawkins video which detailed double-blind tests - where your statistical criteria are more than met.
Repeating, again, the TV dowsing was just that - not an attempt at either proving or disproving. Nonetheless, the fact that the fool took 3 attempts before locating the ore was significant - failing to appreciate this is something you need to address.
@tellnet Fair enough. Yes, you are correct, it is a double-blind test. What does dowsing have to do with psychic phenomena? I find it irrelevant. James is a retired magican, and a debunker. Again, he's not a scientist and he has no scientific establishments. I aprreciate him for debunking the frauds and showing the importance of critical thinking, but I disagree with his challenge as scientific proof of the paranormal if it has been claimed.
@tellnet Were the sample-sizes selected large enough for a null hypothesis to be rejected and was it selected on the basis of power calculations? (I seriously doubt it. I have never seen a tests on the JREF that uses proper sample-sizes to detect a statstically significant result if it exist in the population. Small sample-sizes on their tests is proof to me that they fail to do a power analysis.) In fact, their tests are statistically invalid. Look at the part where James is testing the dowser
@tellnet Since the challenge failed to do a power analysis, it contains a Type II error. The challenge is just a challenge, nothing less and nothing more. James Randi is not a scientist and he has no scientific establishments. He is just a retired magican, skeptic, and a debunker. I respect him for debunking the frauds, but you need to stop spreading your dogmatic bullshit that it is done under scientific methodology.
Here again you confuse JR's stage shows with scientific methodology - anyone who accepts the challenge will be tested according to the correct scientific procedures.
Take your head out of your posterioral orifice and sample reality - un-blinkered by the illusions of delusions you might appreciate life better.
USA $1 antennae for $40,000 to Iran - Bomb detecting dowsers.
The mentality of such is not just defective it is criminally dangerous.
@tellnet "anyone who accepts the challenge will be tested according to the correct scientific procedures."
What a bunch of pseudoskeptical dogmatic bullshit! I have seen the challenge and the protocols that are mutually agreed upon are flawed. Look at the challenge # 3 on Youtube. They gave the dowser I think either 4 or 10 containers and one containg water. Again, getting the water on the first attempt is not statstically significant whether it's 4 or 10 containers.
@tellnet If you calculate the probability (By the binomial formula) of getting the water on the first attempt with a probability of 1/4 it's P=0.25 & for a probability of 1/10, P=0.1. Those Ps, which is the P-Value, are not statistically significant because it failed to be less than 0.05. You called that preliminary test scientific? Well, as a person educated in science and statistics, I called it Bullshit. Again, the sample-sizes on their challenges are too small to reject the null-hypothesis.
@tellnet You honstely believe that the challenge is honest, legit, objective, and proof of the paranormal? Wow, pseudoskeptics these days.... I hate to break this to you, but the challenge itself is bias due to the non-random selection of subjects and their will to be tested, which is in this case, volunteer bias. Another problem about their tests is they use small sample-sizes in their test with inappropriate methodology. That's not how science functions and determined things.
The challenge is NOT to disprove the paranormal per se. The challenge is simpler than that - it is a challenge to any INDIVIDUAL to provide ANY proof of the paranormal - such requires only that the INDIVIDUAL provides evidence that their particular claim is genuine.
Study logic.
And tell me why no one has won the million dollars - and why all psychics and other such gobshites refuse the challenge.
@tellnet The probability of the dowser getting the crystal is of course 1 in 7; however, the methodology on their test are flawed. James said, "We have decided that by chance, you would have get the crystal on your third of fourth attempt." That is true; however, saying the dowser getting it on the first or second attempt is not based on chance and evidence is completely
i back you up 100% and to all skeptics! a opened mind will bring you to the right place/info...keep in mind that you will only see what you expect is there... be opened and you will see the big picture. p.s meditation will unlock many natural phenomenons/e.s.p
mysticalsoulqc 2 days ago
Here are the three TK applications. You should read them carefully, as the to-be-agreed-on protocol would probably be similar for PSI wheel spinning, and it's pretty fair and doable for you! It's also interesting to see why the applications were terminated eventually. None of the reasons should apply to you IMO.
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LaughingStock71 3 weeks ago
I come back with possibly some interesting news. You think that there were many people before you reaching for the prize? That's true, but... The JREF homepage has a public list of applications of the last couple of years at forumsDOTrandiDOTorgSLASHforumdisplayDOTphp?f=43 . I checked through the list, and I could only find 3 (three!) applications for demonstration of TK. And none - I repeat: NONE - of them were about PSI wheel spinning. So, do you still have a good reason not to apply? :-)
LaughingStock71 3 weeks ago
I am serious about the Nobel Price, since a successful TK experiment would suggest the existence of an additional physical force. It cannot be one of the two nuclear forces, because they are too short-reaching. And forget about gravimetric waves! So only electromagnetism remains as a candidate. From the experimental settings (distance to the wheel, its mass and speed), physicists can calculate physical ramifications that should hold. If testing them fails, then it can't even be electromagnetism!
LaughingStock71 1 month ago
Addition: I just found your Video called "Telekinesis through a window". Something in this direction would probably be a good approach in a laboratory experiment, I guess. The wheel would be in a sealed other room, so you would have no chance to ever get in touch with the wheel. The conditions in the wheel room would be well-controlled (no air, heat, and stuff like this), so that the wheel could not move by itself. Just an idea.
LaughingStock71 1 month ago
Ah, and finally, to come back to James Randi: If TK gets accepted by the Physics research community, then Randi will get into quite some difficulties not to pass you the money - even if you haven't demonstrated him your abilities directly! :-)
LaughingStock71 1 month ago
Consider the involved interests: Making a PSI wheel-spinning experiment well-controled and fool-proof is very easy for physics people, so there is not much risk for them here. But there is MUCH TO WIN for them, when they are able to publish a successful TK experiment in a renowned journal. Well, I'd say, this would go straight into the direction of a Nobel Price (for /them/, of course, not for you - you would only be the probant... but hey! :-))
LaughingStock71 1 month ago
Approach: You would first try to meet with some physics folks, e.g. PhD students, and you can show them your TK abilities in a private session. Researchers are often quite open minded, because it's their job (not like many physics advocates on YT), and they are familiar with strange stuff (just think about time dilation or effects of Bose-Einstein condensates, which can all be measured). They would discuss it with their group's head, and this would hopefully result in a controlled experiment.
LaughingStock71 1 month ago
You should consider being tested by university researchers. In a physics laboratory, PSI wheel spinning is easily testable under controlled and unfakable conditions. It's like any simple experiment of classical mechanics. You would get all the time you want to do your preparations and actual experiments, and the wheel would be watched by a camera all the time. When the wheel finally moves, it'll be recorded by the camera, and Physics would have a new paradigm shift thanks to you're help!
LaughingStock71 1 month ago
@ShahnamPersia It's truly baffling how people like you are so quick to draw prejudices rather than searching for the truth. Pseudo-skepticism and dogmatism at its finest....
IceAges14Aces 2 months ago
Everyone's mommy tells them they are special! Some take it too far! Stop bullshitting!
ShahnamPersia 2 months ago
age.you seem to do it a little bit longer than me,and my heart says keep goin get better you can ,do you have maybe a little tip i want to do it the right way,i get a little headache after it and i was hungry and tired,i slepped very good yesterday after doing it.
keep looking at the good comments,as soon as i see sh.t or fu..k in a comment i stop reading.stammi bene va ciao
lavolpeful 3 months ago
hello,how are you doin,hope good.if you allow the question,are you still doin tk at the moment.
i saw your first video wich made me try to do the psi wheel 4 days ago,and i had a good session yesterday where i sat 3 meters away from the wheel and made it turn left and right in one flow for about 20 sec,you said it spins because you want it to = )i guess that helped me a lot,but i dont know nobody who i can talk to because here where i live people are not very open minded not even the ones in my
lavolpeful 3 months ago
James Randi is biggest scam .. see my video JREF update and better, read information in details.. JREF is waist of time, they ready to test scam and delusional people to make fun of them and look good..YE we proved it again.. its nonsense.. but when it come to some one who really can show them and prove them wrong.. there are loads of time waisting and in the end NO TEST. But sadly people to offten refer to JREF and have no idea what they are talking about!
pavelprorok 3 months ago
It sounds like you couldn't use a million dollar! this is total bullshit! IF YOU ARE REAL THEN YOU CAN MANAGE ANY CONTROLED ENVIRONMENT EXPERIMENT! stop bullshiting are you so stupid that you actually think you have any powers? besides who said you had to trust JR to do the experiment. stop bullshiting man!
kevinmartinez723 3 months ago
What do you think about going to a University science department with your work, Darryl?
MetaphysicalShadows 4 months ago
@MetaphysicalShadows That would interest me, although I don't know of any local interest.
darrylsloan 4 months ago
@darrylsloan
I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult. Any psychology department at a community college would do. I'm sure SOMEONE would snap at the chance of having the ability to witness real psychokinesis in test conditions.
MetaphysicalShadows 4 months ago
@MetaphysicalShadows Remember that the past hundred years are absolutely littered with such experiments. Many of them are collated by Dean Radin in his book, "Entangled Minds," and they provide very positive evidence for psi. Personally, I would hesitate to get involved with just anybody, because I would want to be sure of fair unbiased treatment and a productive sense of skepticism.
darrylsloan 4 months ago
@darrylsloan look, people are going to continue to not believe you untill you do something other than making videos on youtube... if you do not put the effort to atleast prove to your viewers that you are "physic" like doing a REAL science experiment and you should quit making excuses like everyone else who has failed at a physic challenge
420conejo420 2 weeks ago
@darrylsloan obvious liar is obvious
coloneljade 1 week ago
James Randi is a cynical asshole like stan from south park
heaviestofmetal 4 months ago
Ha Ha Ha....your so full of shit.....go get your million IF your real....but your NOT..simple.....don't call me a skeptic call me a scientist Daryl Sloan..
Oh wait but youll sell your book for money nothing stopping you there?
brazierdaddy 5 months ago
@brazierdaddy Fuck You
THE123HAMMER 4 months ago
@brazierdaddy
1. You make no sense.
2. You have no facts backing you up.
3. He just told you the million dollar price is a fake.
4. A man needs income to live.
maikel3008 4 months ago
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brazierdaddy 5 months ago
pretty lame! why not just make a video screeming, "I AM A FRAUD!!!!"
cunnidvd 5 months ago
Dean Radin? Skeptoid.com does a good talk on him worth hearing.
Skeptics dont just rely on the James Randi foundation. Common sense maybe
Gerazini 6 months ago
@tyson5476 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH "evolution of humam mind"...AHAHAHAHAHAH "lost the argument" ahahaahahahahha...you guys are too funny....
KhaosCreator 6 months ago
best joke ever!
happydeamon 7 months ago
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IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@IceAges14Aces LOLOL You are too funny...
KhaosCreator 7 months ago
@KhaosCreator Sarcasm isn't it?
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
Oh and by the way, the people who stubbornly say to prove it and take the challenge are bigots. They strongly believe in the assertion that if you are psychic, you'll pass the challenge easily and what makes their bigotry more evident is the strong faith in the challenge without even bothering to question and critique its methodology. These bigots who declare themselves as skeptics is ironic because they don't question/doubt their side. I am way more skeptical than these pseudoskeptics.
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@IceAges14Aces So I am a bigot just because I need some type of evidence for these claims? What the hell are you saying? Are you serious?! That man claims do to be able to do something that is science says it's impossible...It's his job to prove it...(which he refuses to do). If he proves that science is wrong.. WONDERFULL, cause that's how science moves foward. Until then he is a lying prick.
KhaosCreator 7 months ago
@KhaosCreator It seems you have fallen to that Burden of Proof illogical bullshit. The onus always lies on the person making an assertion regardless of it. If I assert that psi exist in an experiment, I have the onus & If a skeptic assert that psi doesn't exist in an experiment, he/she also has the onus. You have asserted that Darryl is a fraud; therefore, you, as well as Darryl, have the burden of proof and it is up to you and him to provide the empirical evidence for your or his credibility.
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@IceAges14Aces You're wrong...I simply told him he should provide evidence for his claims. He refuses to do so and made a video just to make some stupid excuses. If doesn't want to be tested by Randi there are plenty other people who will. But just knows he can't fool James Randi. Why do you people take to much offense for me wanting some evidence? If this proved to be true it would be a major breaktrought for mankind...Let it be seen and be shown...
KhaosCreator 7 months ago
@KhaosCreator "I simply told him he should provide evidence"
That's indeed a skeptical approach and I respect you on that.
"Why do you people take to much offense for me wanting some evidence?"
I'm not offending you; however, you had claimed that Darryl is a fraud, so the onus lies on you to provide the evidence that he is a fraud. The fact that he has fail to take the challenge doesn't mean he is a fraud. Lack of evidence/proof of a proposition ≠ evidence/proof against a proposition.
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@IceAges14Aces If he indeed has these powers he would want to prove them, and I would celebrate such a discovery. It would be a great service to mankind. He just refuses to, and there's probably a reason why he does so. If he doesn't like James Randy, there are plenty other people that are qualified to examine his claims. Bottom line, he made the claims about his "research", I asked for the evidence he said " No!" and "try it yourself"...Why is that so hard to understand? He's a fraud....
KhaosCreator 7 months ago
@KhaosCreator "If he indeed has these powers he would want to prove them"
That of course is just an assumption.
Again, lack of evidence/proof of a proposition ≠ evidence/proof against a proposition. If you want to know for sure his experiments are completely bull, the best thing you can do is duplicate his experiments & if his hypotheses survive under many of your experiments, you have good evidence his hypotheses is valid, if contrary, you have good evidence it's invalid.
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@IceAges14Aces He even went to far as to call this "science experiments", but in science after you done your research and your experiments you have to present your conclusions with well documented evidence. Otherwise it has no validity. That is what science is all about. and until he does that, everything that he claims cannot considered to be true. Since he his so afraid to be put trought tests that can only prevent him from cheating I think it his pretty fair on my part to think he is lying.
KhaosCreator 7 months ago
@KhaosCreator Actually, a scientific experiment is an experiment that test a hypothesis nothing less nothing more. Furthermore, there's no such thing as a scientific method that all scientists must follow or complete in order for their research to be scientific. Science is just a method of inquiry based on hypothesis testing facilitated by data collection. All Darryl's experiments are doing is testing the assertions the skeptics throw out in the psi-wheel & hypotheses regarding telekinesis.
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@IceAges14Aces Ok...I give up. That one was way too stupid. Keep watching Darryl's claiming to do the impossible without providing evidence...Lets all believe him just cause he says so...cause nobody else has ever lied about these things before right?.. . . All I wanted was some proof...I must be the devil...And everybody his giving him escuses and reason not to be tested by anyone besides himself..NOW that's fucking science!!! Really really fucking smart...Skeptics are such bastards...
KhaosCreator 7 months ago
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IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@KhaosCreator I don't see you out there experimenting. Go on and show us his methods are BS. Christ...."Skeptics".
DarkMuu666 6 months ago
@DarkMuu666 I'M NOT MAKING ANY CLAIMS YOU STUPID IGNORANT MOTHERFUCKER....I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PROVE...HE DOES AND REFUSES TO PROVE IT, AND UNTIL HE DOES...HE IS AN ASSHOLE...GO JERK OFF...
KhaosCreator 6 months ago
@KhaosCreator He did make a claim, and does tutorials. Now, YOU go out there and do your OWN independent tests to see if it works or not. Oh wait, that's not Randi approved, my bad. I'll give you some advice... When it comes to this subject, there's a lot of fakers. Just like there was in science before it came to the forefront. Now, if you want evidence, YOU have to find it on your own. A good scientist does that. Now go out there and experiment! :D
DarkMuu666 6 months ago
@DarkMuu666 Are you that stupid? That's not how science works...I can't even believe you could write such a stupid statement...In science you ALWAYS present evidence of your claims and conclusion (NOT TUTORIALS ON YOUTUBE) so that they can be debated and validated. And yes tested too. But not like this...What he is doing can be done by the worse magicians/conjurers. You do the tests...I'll be laughting at you...you ignorant fuck...
KhaosCreator 6 months ago
@KhaosCreator Btw, the one who insults first is the one who shows he has no case :)
DarkMuu666 6 months ago
part 2...and since you think that's how science works here it goes...I'll make my own claim - I CAN FLY...I JUMP FROM REALLY TALL BUILDINGS AND FLAP MY ARMS REALLY HARD AND FLY AWAY...I'm not gonna prove it to any of you cause I don't have to...So don't you dare acusing me of lying .Test it ourselves...Jump off a tall building and flap your arms lad...now go out there and experiment you fucking genius...
KhaosCreator 6 months ago
@KhaosCreator Fuck You
THE123HAMMER 4 months ago
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IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@KhaosCreator You had obviously misinterpreted what I said regarding bigotry. The reason why I had called you a bigot is because you strongly believe in the assertion that if you have psi, you would pass the challenge easily & you put high, self-confidence that the challenge is legit without bothering to question/critique its methodology. It's very easy for a test to go methodologically wrong & it can cause false-negative results, which has nothing to do with the claimant, but the test itself.
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@IceAges14Aces And by the way...many people have tested people that make claims like these, including scientists from many universities, not just James Randi. And guess what...all the people that made the claims were shown to be lying, cheating or crazy. Other tests just failed to show any paranormal phenomenon, and other tests were just poorly conducted. These people have been tested for decades...they all failed. I'm willing to be shown but until then...get real.
KhaosCreator 7 months ago
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IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@IceAges14Aces That is a lie...people who take the challenge do NOT pay for the tests. You are just not well informed. And the tests are acurate...they are just setup in a way that rules out the possibility of cheating and that's when these people start to have problems...I wonder why!!! And do you people do? You make cheap and fony escuses instead of asking them to provide evidence...Not smart at all...
KhaosCreator 7 months ago
@KhaosCreator "That is a lie...people who take the challenge do NOT pay for the tests."
Well, can you please explain to me why the people must pay up the tests is implied in the JREF Challenge FAQ? Can it be that you're misinformed?
"And the tests are acurate"
This is where my hardcore skepticism comes to the picture. How can you be sure these tests are realiable? Have you question/critique its methodology or could it be that you have delude yourself due to the Bare Assertion Fallacy?
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2006/12/the_challenge.html
liquidus2172 7 months ago
lol dude you are soo weak it would take so little for you to repeat you experiments in front of people who will check on the subjectivity of your experiments
you are dong nothing but copping out here
ginjawarlord 7 months ago
if you have those abilities you claim to have, just apply for the challenge and bring your film crew in as an evidence from your side. if they cheat - sue them... nothing to lose
kokoin 8 months ago
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullshit
CarlSagan6 8 months ago
It is not faith to have a verifiable, repeatable test, in fact that is science. "I don't see you doing any test, I am doing all the tests."
This is the exact reason your claims cannot be taken seriously in any scientific context. The test should and needs to be repeated for science to work.
Wow you are really flailing around for a reason to not to win a million dollars. Telekinesis is not accepted by because it has not been demonstrable in any repeatable way.
nospacesallowed 8 months ago
if you can do it then take the test... the worst thing that can happen would be to fail... the best is u win 1 million dollers.... if u could actualy do it then there is no reason not to take it?
EpixBawokLoL 8 months ago
@NarutoVideoHere Typical I know everything attitude, why lose your time on a tk video if you think its fake then?
Get a life.
jmthekiller 9 months ago
This has to be satire. No one is really this deluded...
mooseflier 9 months ago
@NarutoVideoHere Prove it.
jmthekiller 9 months ago
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KhaosCreator 9 months ago
I don't feel like I speak for everybody...never wanted to. But since you are here making these kind of videos trying to convince people that they just have to take your word for these kind of claims, you will have to accept criticisms...Evidence dude, that's what you need. Randi will at least give on a MILLION DOLLARS if you're for real. Don't want the money? Give it to charity...Or get help...
KhaosCreator 9 months ago 8
@KhaosCreator These are fairly typical objections and are easily answered. Regarding evidence, I have always encouraged people to prove this to themselves but doing learning it, and doing it, not by believing me. That would be an insult to anyone's intelligence. Regarding Randi, the contest is not scientifically valid. Doesn't take account of small anomalies that can only be proven through statistical analysis over multiple counts. It will never be won. It was never meant to be.
darrylsloan 9 months ago
@darrylsloan That's a lie and you know it...Genuine powers would NOT be hard to prove...Either you do it or you don't....and you don't. If you did you wouldn't be such a freaking coward and hide at your home flashing silly bullshit at your web cam....F$&# off
KhaosCreator 9 months ago 3
@KhaosCreator I've tried to be polite and rational with you and show you where you're going wrong in your arguments., despite the fact that you continually erect straw-men in your defence, All you're doing now is getting emotional and throwing reason completely out the window. It's impossible to have a productive conversation with someone like you. Don't tell me to fuck off. You approached me. If you can't take a rational rebuttal, you fuck off.
darrylsloan 9 months ago 2
@KhaosCreator That's laughable.. Essentially, what you're telling Darryl is that it is not hard to discover the how and whys of phenomena yet to be delved into by the general mass. If it was not hard, and there were no areas of grey, it wouldn't have been hard for ANY experiments for the past few thousand years. We would be thousands of years more advanced if you could just find a problem, and without any delay, solve it. It takes work, and whether you believe it or not, u need to TEST IT.
dcent2 9 months ago
@dcent2. I AGREE...I want these people to be tested by serious people that have a serious aproach to the subjet. But these people REFUSE to be tested by reliable scientists. And before you try to understand the "why and the hows" of these so called phenomenons you first have to prove that they ACTUALLY took place. That's how REAL science works. And so far no one has even done that. No matter what you people say. I wish it was true...but it's not. Prove your fucking claims or shut the fuck up.
KhaosCreator 9 months ago
@KhaosCreator Actually, James Randi's Challenge is indeed bigotry. They strongly believe in the assertion that if you're psychic, you'll pass the challenge easily and they put strong faith in it without even questioning and critiquing its methodology. In addition, the challenge expects odds against chance much more than what be would be evidence in universal statistical standards and in the formal test they expect more odds against chance; otherwise, fail. What idiotic double-standard is that?
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
@KhaosCreator By the way, your arguments against Darryl claims are fallacious. Your proposition strongly asserts Darryl is a fraud because he had failed to prove it, which is a form of an argument from ignorance. If you want to justify your proposition, you need empirical, unbias evidence, not evidence based on dogmatism.
IceAges14Aces 7 months ago
This is the WORST excuse for not doing the challenge...Nobody believes you after that...Comparing The James Randi Education Fundation to religion is just stupid as hell...Do the test and stop making excuses...The others failed because all of them were liars...just like you.
KhaosCreator 9 months ago 5
@KhaosCreator Well, I'm sorry you feel you speak for everybody, but you really only speak for yourself. Are you even aware that not one skeptical organisation is an affiliate of the AAAS (largest scientific org in the world, and one which recognises parapsychology as a legitimate discipline). Perhaps you'll begin to see the short-sighted fundamentalism in your own assertion.
darrylsloan 9 months ago 4
@KhaosCreator Or maybe they failed because if they succeeded, they didnt have the right tools to explain WHY they succeeded, so the Leaders of this contest changed the environment unfitting to the result.
dcent2 9 months ago
@dcent2 Dude, that is ridiculous...You prove that the phenomona happens or you don't. Period. That ideia that you people have that scientists don't want to prove these powers to be true it's just stupid...Or couse they want to...you'll get a nobel prize for discovering something like that. Get real...prove your claims! that's all! You people want to shut up the skeptics? Prove your claims and stop hidding like this asshole in the video with the crazy eyes...and go get laid.
KhaosCreator 9 months ago
@KhaosCreator Like I said....If more people got on board then maybe it would be proven true or false. The fact of the matter is, it hasnt been proven either flippin way. You just decide to put faith in the fact that you think its impossible because of what YOU believe to be true. And I believe it is. There is no evidence supporting the "against" argument. Secondly, even if they did test it, , it took years for things in chemistry, such as isotopes, to be proven real. Dont be such a dick.
dcent2 9 months ago
@dcent2 It doesn't matter how many people get on board in this. Facts are not a matter of belief or vote...And the "against" argument doesn't need to prove nothing, the people that MAKE THE CLAIMS are the one's who have to provide evidence. And they have LOTS of places where they can prove their claims. LOTS...But they REFUSE to be tested so they don't get exposed. James Hydrick is really good example.He fooled alot of people but when the test came he got busted... And this guy would be too.
KhaosCreator 9 months ago
@KhaosCreator No one understands telekinesis or any phenomenon liek it. You cant prove it if you dont have a good fucking grasp on it. Im saying the same damn thing over and over a-fucking-gain. No one knows if you release sub atomic particles. No one knows if you make waves similar to radiowaves escaping the need or air, and no one knows if your mind creates air currents. No one knows, so how can a scientifically controlled enviroment be certain? You may have taken away an important factor.
dcent2 9 months ago
@dcent2 One thing is to understand how the phenomenon of telekinesis works, another thing is to prove that it happens at all. That has NEVER been shown. That's how science works, they try to figure out a phenomenon that actually happens and undestand how and why it happens. Telekinesis has never been shown to happen at all...in fact the people who claim that can do its have all been exposed has frauds or demented people. And most (like this guy) refuse to be tested.Gee I wonder why!!! hmm
KhaosCreator 9 months ago
@KhaosCreator Im going to post something someone else said to another. "I think scientist cannot prove it becasue the ways they test for it is under strict controlled conditions, and TK, sometimes cannot be produced in the same way everytime, for a scientist to prove that something exists, they have to be able to reproduce the results in the same way and fashion in their trials to be able to say that the trials were legit." Alot of people dont even know how to make accurate reproductions.
dcent2 9 months ago
@dcent2 They have to test for in under strict conditions to prevent trickery. And even then some scientists can get fooled. That's why it's so hard to fool James Randi cause he knows how people are fooled. That fact that they can never perform those feats when they are in a controlled setting says a lot to me. Once they are in a place where they can't cheat they are never are able to do it. Don't you find that strange? This guy says he can do it at home. But in front of James Randi he can't?hmm
KhaosCreator 9 months ago
@KhaosCreator he cant bcoz he cant com up wit weird xplanations if his tricks fail under controlled conditions or james randi imitates dem nd says dat dere s no telekinesis by which he will put in the same category as dat of james hydrick( he actually is but hes just more of a coward cuz hydrick at least gave it a shot)
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KhaosCreator 9 months ago
@KhaosCreator This guys is claiming that he is doing something supernatural.Why i'm I such a bad guy to demand for evidence? Goddam it, if he has this incredible "gift" share it with the world.that would change the world and the way we live, so how can people be so stupid to the point to think that science doesn't want this to be true?...JUST PROVE IT! No escuses...So far you have got no facts at all...not ONE shred of evidence NOT ONE! And these claims have been made for centuries...Weird uh?
KhaosCreator 9 months ago
@KhaosCreator Would one of you please, kindly listen to at least one thing this man has said. Notably the subtle nuance of information where he states that, one should find things out for themselves. In attempt to contact James, it was discovered that he indeed offered one million dollars to anyone who could prove the paranormal, one million dollars in "bonds". If you do not understand how bonds work, feel free to consult the wonderful archives of Google. Over skepticism is counterproductive.
PsionicArchon 8 months ago
@PsionicArchon So I'm supposed to spend weeks and months of my life attemping to do something just because he says it's true? Without evidence? Give me break! One thing is to be over skeptic in face of evidence, HE HASN'T PROVIDED NONE, and worst of all, HE REFUSES to validate his claims. Come on, that has to mean something...All he has got to do is do that shit that he claims to do so often ONCE in a controlled setting where cheating cannot occur. And that "bonds" thing is just another excuse..
KhaosCreator 8 months ago
@KhaosCreator No that "bonds thing" is far from a simple excuse. If you have six or seven hundred dollars to blow on a plain ticket to fly all the way out there, simply for the possibility of earning some worthless corporate bonds, I wish you the best of luck. Hell, I'm still trying, very hard mind you to ascertain why it is I am even contributing to a counter argument when your bold declaration of "HE HASN'T PROVED NOTHING" about covers it all. If you do not like his channel, go elsewhere.
PsionicArchon 8 months ago
@PsionicArchon Your comment on the "bonds" IS an excuse (a bad one), and if you get the media in your country talking about your "powers", James Randi would set up the test in your town (he has done that on several ocasions) so you woudn't need plane tickets. My declaration wasn't bold, he really hasn't provided any evidence, and still you are at home staring at objects trying to move them. Damn, if were him I would be laughting my ass off...
KhaosCreator 8 months ago
@KhaosCreator That's it, until you can grasp the concept of simple grammar I refuse to continue this argument. For the love of all things scientific, he hasn't -->proven<-- any evidence... proved... You're also taking this argument in a circle, restating the same confounded point, that's clearly not holding up. If you don't believe, fine, go elsewhere, no one here is shoving anything down your throat. Asking someone to appear before the media, on making a psi-wheel twitch is rather preposterous.
PsionicArchon 8 months ago
@PsionicArchon I do admit that my grammar might not be the best, but english is just one of the languages that I can speak and it's not the language we use in my country...So I will make mistakes now and then but still you can understand me. So fuck off...I keep bringing that fact that he does not provide evidence for his claims nor does he want to cause he nows he would fall on his ass. You people just want this to be true so hard that you fail to see the obvious. So lame...
KhaosCreator 8 months ago
@KhaosCreator Rather then relying on your over-skepticism why don't you provide a means by which this person can provide evidence that is within his means. What would be satisfactory for you? In what way does this mans' beliefs differing from yours injure you? I only ask do to the fact that you are taking such extreme offense to something aimed at no one. In closing, if you are going to attack these videos, and judging by your posts below, you avidly continue, then attack the bible would you.
PsionicArchon 8 months ago
@PsionicArchon Asking for evidence is not over-skepticism, believing in something without even asking for evidence is just being gullible. I take offence because he actually is insulting peoples intelligence by thinking we would believe this. And he IS doing harm cause he is wasting peoples time by sugesting that people should be training this shit at home. And I'm not atacking his beliefs...he doesn't believe in this...he KNOWS he is faking it.
KhaosCreator 8 months ago
@PsionicArchon And he is making or trying to make money with his fucking books. I have problem with that for sure. All he is doing is wasting peoples time and rotting people's brains. I'm done with this...you people win. you're too gullible...fuck it.
KhaosCreator 8 months ago
@KhaosCreator @KhaosCreator Churches attempt to make money all of the time, you seem to be missing the point here. If he wants to create a book based on his beliefs, and others choose to listen that is entirely within their rights as a human being. That, and you have yet to answer my question, if you believe you are so much more intelligent, that much more capable the person, then I pose the same question. Are you able to prove it?
PsionicArchon 8 months ago
@PsionicArchon Churches are a different subject...He is NOT making a book about his beliefs, It's about his claims and his lies. And that's is a really stupid question .I've never claimed to be more intelligent than anybody, but there are ways to prove that and I would do it if I was making those sort of claims. He makes stupid claims and refuses to go to James Randi or some scientists to prove them. He is a fucking pussy. That's how it works..Big claims require extraordinary evidence.
KhaosCreator 8 months ago
@KhaosCreator You are either completely missing, and or dodging the point entirely. Speaking of claims, that is all you have done thus far, make "claims" that were you to be in a similar situation that you yourself would submit to media based tests. You're not giving the people with whom watch these videos enough credit. I saw them, it peaked my interest, and now I may run tests of my own. Mind you, in a controlled environment. I am done with this, make your last post. I have better things to do
PsionicArchon 8 months ago
@PsionicArchon Of course you have better things to do...You have to try to move objects with your mind lololol...
KhaosCreator 8 months ago
Lay off the heroin dude. You are clearly intoxicated.
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MeganHainesify 9 months ago
Randy is nothing but famous. I concur with your opinion.
why not take a few friends or even a tv crew and get some video footage with more live audience ?
It will solve this dilema.
Why even bother making a 10 minutes long excuse?
just get some friends in, and show them.
I'll trust them as witnesses and excuse my time to repeat your experiment. others will follow too.
superdiza 10 months ago
@superdiza Every sceptic has their own personal ideas about what I should do to satisfy them, not to mention the ever shifting goalpost. Your suggestion might satisfy you, but it won't satisy many others, which is why I don't play that game. I've advised people to discover the reality of this by experimenting with it for themselves. If you don't want to put in the time, that's up to you.
darrylsloan 10 months ago
@darrylsloan
You're obviously an intelligent man, yet I find your reply deeply disappointing.
Your videos have inspired me to build my own wheel, and I've experiment with it for 2 days now. I'd some moderate success (and my heart jumped), yet it is VERY easy to delude one self.
Your triumph over normal-consciousness will inspire millions and raise the vibration of the ENTIRE planet.
ALL that is asked of you is to open your sessions for a few people, either as observers or students.
Namaste
superdiza 10 months ago
@superdiza I'm sorry you find it disappointing, but try looking at this from my angle. If I kept a list of all the things sceptics wanted me to do, it would be pretty long and varied. You have everything you need to make this happen already, which is simply yourself. A little experimentation and persistence is all that's required.
darrylsloan 10 months ago
@darrylsloan
DON'T BE COY.
All that is asked is that you'll do your magic in-front of present-people, not in-front of a camera.
That is much simpler of a request than asking the entire world to repeat your experiment. Notice that in all the history of ALL THE WORLD, no one have EVER repeatedly proved this feat to be real.
They did what you are doing right now. excusing themselves.
There is no list by the sceptics, there is only this trivial request.
self-deception is trivial.
yawn.
superdiza 10 months ago
@superdiza You're only showing your own ignorance here. Psi phenomena have a long history of experimental evidence, even government funded projects. There is a wealth of statistical evidence in its favour. Try reading Dean Radin's "Entangled Minds." You ask me to get to get a TV crew then call it a trivial request. Good grief.
darrylsloan 10 months ago
@superdiza "There is no list by the sceptics, there is only this trivial request." You don't seem to realise that I've been through this same ordeal with a hundred other sceptics, each of whom wants something different from me before he will be satisfied. You're acting like you're the only sceptic who ever asked me a question. I've provided information that allows people to obtain these effects. I consider that more than enough, and don't really care whether you or anyone else believes me.
darrylsloan 10 months ago
@darrylsloan
I do not mistrust you.
Yet, with great power comes great responsibility..:)
My assumption is that if this is repeatable and learnable on a mass scale, we shall see huge leaps in reality, quite soon, as more people master the ability. If a yogi can fly, people should SEE him, thus fly themselves...:)
please please..
superdiza 9 months ago
if you said : "I can teleport from my kitchen to my living room" and you made a video showing you accomplishing that, and i said "wow!! cool!! now come over to my house and show me in my kitchen and my living room"..And you said, "Oh no I couldn't do that because you are just a skeptic and i do not need to prove anything to you." . I would immediately call BULLSHIT!! You supposedly have a gift that could do wonders for science and potentially benefit society.
legacy917 11 months ago
If I had the ability to move objects with my mind, I would be more than willing, anxious even, to show and prove this to anyone who asked. This would make you go down in the history books as someone who changed what we know about physics and everything we were taught and it would force society to re-think what we now know.. And you would deny such a challenge? You would deny being known as the only person in HISTORY who could accomplish this and prove its possibilities? Again, I smell BULLSHIT!
legacy917 11 months ago
@legacy917
obviously.
I'm very dissapointed by his self-deception and self-perpetuating truisms.
superdiza 10 months ago
noooo... they're saying if you think you're hot stuff, then prove it.
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it's so simple.
there is no such thing as telekinesis.
meslud 11 months ago
You should apply. You must i apply. I need a proof to believe in this so i can practise. If you won it, all confused people will won it too. Please.
idikut 11 months ago
research sri rama demonstrating telekenesis under scientific conditions. He moved a pin in a airtight container from across the room.
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tgnEVE 11 months ago
@tgnEVE The JREF claims there are scientists and statisticians involved, but I seriously doubt it. I have seen the JREF's tests protocols and I found statistical flaws, especially the part where the dowser had to find the water out of 10 containers. The flaw here is that the sample-size were too small to detect a statistical significant result if it exist. Even if the dowser did got it out of 1 shot, it's not evidence. Sorry, but the JREF seriously need to improve their protocols.
angelsssssssssssss 11 months ago
@tgnEVE I find it funny how the JREF is not responsible and doesn't have the resources to pay off the expensive tests, yet they supposedly got scientists on their sides. I mean come on. If scientists are really on their sides, then they would support the JREF by paying off the expensive tests. If the JREF really is scientific, they should have no problem about paying off the tests. NASA spends billions of money in their research, why not the JREF??? Hmm, I wonder.......
angelsssssssssssss 11 months ago
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tgnEVE 11 months ago
@tgnEVE "Faith in JREF? No. That's false. It's science." It's Science? Hmm, more like pseudoscience. If it was really scientific, then the JREF would work on hypotheses, theories and models, just like all other scientific disciplines, such as biology, physics, chemistry, astronomy, etc. Science is a method of inquiry based on hypothesis testing facilitated by data collection, nothing less and nothing more. The JREF does not investigate things via scientific methodology.
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tgnEVE 11 months ago
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"Why has no one won - because they are all frauds and will invariably all either refuse to be tested or fail."
The fact that a person failed to prove something doesn't mean that the person can't do it, but there's no reason to believe in the person either.
"James Randi's challenge is simple - if ANYONE can provide ANY proof of the paranormal they win."
Sorry, but due to the JREF methodological flaws, I don't buy it. The dowser could have passed the test by luck.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
James Randi & Co. are tricksters!. FDA and other interests are behind him
fkoff99 1 year ago
If you're genuine, you'll pass the challenge. I suspect that you're not however and that you're making excuses. Straight away you say skeptics ask with 'disdain' - reverting straight to an attack on the person. Forget the people, focus on the arguments. If you're genuine then you should be able to demonstrate it under reasonable experimental conditions. Anything else, any excuses, are hand-waving and special pleading. Doesn't the invisible dragon let you do it under scrutiny?
telephas1c 1 year ago
@telephas1c "Straight away you say skeptics ask with 'disdain' " And you proved me right: "Doesn't the invisible dragon let you do it under scrutiny?"
darrylsloan 1 year ago
You know, you have a good point about the fact that telekinesis may not work in a vacuum. For all we know, it could travel as a longitudinal wave. which works by compressing atoms to traveL, like sound. If you tried it with a vucuum nothing would happen because it wouldnt be able to travel. But that would also go against your thoery that distance doesnt affect how well telekinesis works.
floorpopsicles 1 year ago
@floorpopsicles I'm more of the opinion that distance does affect how well it works.
darrylsloan 1 year ago
@floorpopsicles Perhaps those who claim they can bend spoons should spend some time working to understand the fundamental properties of matter. 25 years of work in physics and chemistry, years of post doc work and many intense sessions in graduate seminars ought to do it. Then, with enough work and experimentation, some telekinetic physicist might someday show that it is physically possible to bend a spoon with her mind. Until that happens, telekinesis is merely a magic trick.
tim4720 1 year ago
Actually, I'll make you a deal. I'll do whatever tests you want, if you do mine. Fair enough?
sleeper1929 1 year ago
Ok, you must examine the logic of your rebuttal. Your "therefores" and "Thus" are all mixed up, if you see?
sleeper1929 1 year ago
Spouting bullshit ad infinitum does not detract from the fact that you are an idiot. Suggesting that it is required to debunk your particular delusion is more shit - you are the one proposing the preposterous - the onus is on you to "prove" your hypothetical fallacy - however, your brand of nonsense has already been adequately debunked. Refusing the million dollar challenge with baseless moronic semantics serves only to categorise you with the other dumb fucks.
tellnet 1 year ago
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angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@angelsssssssssssss
I have no idea what you are raving about - and it is obvious that you are totally clueless regarding my comment.
James Randi's challenge is simple - if ANYONE can provide ANY proof of the paranormal they win. Tests are done in a properly conducted scientific environment.
Why has no one won - because they are all frauds and will invariably all either refuse to be tested or fail.
tellnet 1 year ago
@tellnet "Tests are done in a properly conducted scientific environment."
That cleary tells me that you really do put your faith on James challenge. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is not done under a properly conducted scientific environment. If it was, then answer these questions: Were the subjects truly randomly selected? (No, they were selected to the ones who signed the applications and mutually agreed upon the protocols) Selection like that on any tests/study makes it bias.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@angelsssssssssssss
You are obviously a totally confused and deluded individual.
"Were the subjects truly randomly selected" - what sort of idiocy is that ???
JR does NOT seek to discredit paranormal events per se - His challenge SIMPLY requires the INDIVIDUAL who lays claim to their PARTICULAR brand of nonsense to be tested for validity - the fact that NONE have either accepted or bettered the challenge is somewhat more than significant.
Your argument is ridiculous ....
tellnet 1 year ago
@tellnet Were the subjects truly randomly selected" - what sort of idiocy is that ???
Ever heard of selection bias? When the subjects are selected unrandomly and the subjects' will to be tested makes the tests/study bias. If you were a scientist and presenting your own research, critics, like me, are going to question your methodology, research, and try to look for possible explanations, such as publication biases, biases, lack of proper sample-sizes, etc.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@tellnet I've never said that the dowsing test is part of the challenge. I was refering to one of James tests as statistically flawed. Yes, he did demonstrated his supposed dowsing power and failed. Even if he got it on his first or second attempt, it is still based on chance, just like on his third trial. What's the difference? Again, just because a person failed to prove his/her claim doesn't mean the person can't do it, but there's no reason to believe in the person either.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@angelsssssssssssss
The DIFFERENCE is that the individual made a claim thaT HIS STUPIDITY WAS VALID - Failing to perform on the first attempt is very significant.
Naturally, I would not expect Dumb & Dumber to appreciate that.
tellnet 1 year ago
@tellnet Do you even know what the hell statistically significant means? No, not getting it correct on the first or second attempt is not statistically significant, so I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Ad Hominem truths? There's no such thing.
"Typical American deluded gullible twat. The shit that emanates from your country is laughable."
That clearly tells me that you are a bigot filled with dogmatic shit. No shit, but you are the one with no sense of rationality.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@angelsssssssssssss
I am tired of your absolute idiocy.
Statistics have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fool that claims he/she can dowse.
Either they can or cannot do it.
Failing on the first attempt means cannot.
The exercise is NOT about the statistical mean.
It IS about a ludicrous CLAIM.
Duh...........
Dumb & Dumber.
tellnet 1 year ago
@tellnet Statistics have nothing to do with it? Ok, if statistics have nothing to do with it, then how the hell are we going to know whether he/she got it by chance or not? Once again, getting it on the first or second attempt is based on chance, not evidence of dowsing. In order to show evidence of the dowser's claim, the test must have proper sample-size in which the statistical power is at least 80%. If the dowser is able to get hits than expected by chance, then that's evidence.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@angelsssssssssssss
This time I am going to be polite (For a change !).
Pay attention.
Presumably, you did not watch, or ignored the Dawkins video which detailed double-blind tests - where your statistical criteria are more than met.
Repeating, again, the TV dowsing was just that - not an attempt at either proving or disproving. Nonetheless, the fact that the fool took 3 attempts before locating the ore was significant - failing to appreciate this is something you need to address.
tellnet 1 year ago
@tellnet Fair enough. Yes, you are correct, it is a double-blind test. What does dowsing have to do with psychic phenomena? I find it irrelevant. James is a retired magican, and a debunker. Again, he's not a scientist and he has no scientific establishments. I aprreciate him for debunking the frauds and showing the importance of critical thinking, but I disagree with his challenge as scientific proof of the paranormal if it has been claimed.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@tellnet Were the sample-sizes selected large enough for a null hypothesis to be rejected and was it selected on the basis of power calculations? (I seriously doubt it. I have never seen a tests on the JREF that uses proper sample-sizes to detect a statstically significant result if it exist in the population. Small sample-sizes on their tests is proof to me that they fail to do a power analysis.) In fact, their tests are statistically invalid. Look at the part where James is testing the dowser
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@tellnet Since the challenge failed to do a power analysis, it contains a Type II error. The challenge is just a challenge, nothing less and nothing more. James Randi is not a scientist and he has no scientific establishments. He is just a retired magican, skeptic, and a debunker. I respect him for debunking the frauds, but you need to stop spreading your dogmatic bullshit that it is done under scientific methodology.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
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@tellnet "Why has no one won - because they are all frauds and will invariably all either refuse to be tested or fail."
The fact that a person failed to prove something doesn't mean that the person can't do it, but there's no reason to believe in the person either.
"James Randi's challenge is simple - if ANYONE can provide ANY proof of the paranormal they win."
Sorry, but due to the JREF methodological flaws, I cannot accept it as proof. The dowser could have passed by luck.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@angelsssssssssssss
Here again you confuse JR's stage shows with scientific methodology - anyone who accepts the challenge will be tested according to the correct scientific procedures.
Take your head out of your posterioral orifice and sample reality - un-blinkered by the illusions of delusions you might appreciate life better.
USA $1 antennae for $40,000 to Iran - Bomb detecting dowsers.
The mentality of such is not just defective it is criminally dangerous.
tellnet 1 year ago
@tellnet "anyone who accepts the challenge will be tested according to the correct scientific procedures."
What a bunch of pseudoskeptical dogmatic bullshit! I have seen the challenge and the protocols that are mutually agreed upon are flawed. Look at the challenge # 3 on Youtube. They gave the dowser I think either 4 or 10 containers and one containg water. Again, getting the water on the first attempt is not statstically significant whether it's 4 or 10 containers.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@tellnet If you calculate the probability (By the binomial formula) of getting the water on the first attempt with a probability of 1/4 it's P=0.25 & for a probability of 1/10, P=0.1. Those Ps, which is the P-Value, are not statistically significant because it failed to be less than 0.05. You called that preliminary test scientific? Well, as a person educated in science and statistics, I called it Bullshit. Again, the sample-sizes on their challenges are too small to reject the null-hypothesis.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@tellnet Yeah, call me an idiot, delusional moron all you want. They are nothing but Ad Hominem Fallacies.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@angelsssssssssssss
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Nope - Ad Hominem truths.
You are the one with no sense of rationality.
What could one expect from "Angelsss" - imaginations.
tellnet 1 year ago
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@tellnet You honstely believe that the challenge is honest, legit, objective, and proof of the paranormal? Wow, pseudoskeptics these days.... I hate to break this to you, but the challenge itself is bias due to the non-random selection of subjects and their will to be tested, which is in this case, volunteer bias. Another problem about their tests is they use small sample-sizes in their test with inappropriate methodology. That's not how science functions and determined things.
angelsssssssssssss 1 year ago
@angelsssssssssssss
You say:
"You honstely believe that the challenge is honest, legit, objective, and proof of the paranormal".
You are obviously a very confused individual.
James Randi's challenge is simple - if ANYONE can provide ANY proof of the paranormal they win.
The challenge itself is NOT "proof of the paranormal".
It is a challenge to PROVE one's paranormal claim - surely not difficult to understand ?
Hmmm... challenging for the challenged perhaps.
tellnet 1 year ago
@angelsssssssssssss
The challenge is NOT to disprove the paranormal per se. The challenge is simpler than that - it is a challenge to any INDIVIDUAL to provide ANY proof of the paranormal - such requires only that the INDIVIDUAL provides evidence that their particular claim is genuine.
Study logic.
And tell me why no one has won the million dollars - and why all psychics and other such gobshites refuse the challenge.
tellnet 1 year ago
@tellnet The probability of the dowser getting the crystal is of course 1 in 7; however, the methodology on their test are flawed. James said, "We have decided that by chance, you would have get the crystal on your third of fourth attempt." That is true; however, saying the dowser getting it on the first or second attempt is not based on chance and evidence is completely