@TableKMusicVideos Meh, a bit. I don't know if we'll ever know everything (RTD seemed to take the Time War with him) but I still think the loophole exists. In a way, I WAS right about the TimeLords still being around-- just in a Time Loop! I'd like further clarification but I'm willing to watch Matt Smith do his thing for now. ^_^
This my friend is a video that is a lie I know allot about the Time war how it ended.. Susan is not really biologically related to the Doctor (Real Doctor who lovers no that)
@Tokoroa1cp I'd love for you to tell me exactly where this is specifically stated in the show. As far as I've seen (and I AM a huge fan of both original and NuWho) no one has ever explicitly stated that she is not a Timelord. I highly distrust those who would categorize her otherwise (it casts some serious questions the Doctor's way . . .)
That said, look at how old this vid is-- We're obviously in a new era and RTD's stuff is done and dusted. I still see some mystery, though.
@sailorsenmurv True.. But the time war did happen (you can see in the classic Doctor who) and the Time war ended (proof in the end of time when the master tried to bring His planet and his people back to life... The daleks were meant to die but some went away in time.. and came back!
@sailorsenmurv Actually in a William Hartnell Episode, the FIRST EPISODE. It is stated that they are trapped, unable to go back to their home planet. She is a Time Lady/Gallifrayian.
Oh hogwash...you had some good theorising until you got to the Susan part. My Dad is not biologically related to me, yet he's still my Dad. My kids will be his Grandchildren. To assume that a relationship like that cannot exist without a true biological link is a slap in the face to foster families, adopted families and such.
(PS, if you've changed your mind on the matter in the last few years then ignore this comment)
@ZoahLord Oh dear, I NEVER intended to imply any insult-- I was simply pronouncing my disgust towards the "in-between years" crazies so desperate to bring mystery back to Doctor Who that they'd go so far as to disinherit Susan. The show never gave us any reason to even question her heritage and I get irritated whenever so-called fans do. Don't get me wrong-- I would not have any problem with her being an adopted relative IF THE SHOW STATED IT, but it never did.
This is genius. It sucks too much for the Doctor to have killed his whole species for some daleks to be alive. And he would have at least saved some kids or relatives before doing whatever he did to kill the time lords.
@sailorsenmurv Awesum theory, you should make a doctor who novel or be a writer or something. Your plot has more turns than an amazon river. But just 2 things:
1. The Doctor personally killed both the Timelords and Daleks (though it might have been an implanted memory like you said)
2. The Timelords came back at the end of series 4 (and i know you did this before that point) before the Doctor could destroy them, but later were sent back. So basically, they really died
there's a few holes in your take on it. 1: the doctor didn't sense the master even though the master escaped and that was due to the master changing himself into a human and fleeing into the far future. the time war was a war throughout time and it was done and redone on both sides to lose win lose win over and over until time created abominations, sure he suggested there was only one battle but the tenth suggested there was many more. the dr put the time lords et al in the void between worlds.
I assumed he absorbed the Time Vortex. Notice how he seems to know everything that happens when that is done, and says that a Time Lord who were to do that would become a vengeful God. Now, look at the Doctor's actions. He IS a vengeful god. So, he knows exactly what happens when you absorb the Time Vortex and he shows signs of the personality he describes. Rose, a human, used it to destroy a Dalek fleet. Think of how he could use it.
totally agree with you sailor, but forgot to take one thing into consideration about Susan. let's assume that after she was left on earth she lived happily ever after with the guy she stayed for. her descendants would have spread her dna throughout atleast a big chunk of humanity. big implications. help to explain why the doctor has such a fondness for this world and humanity.
@SpockBorg5 I DO agree here-- The Doctor really gained his love for humans more after she left. I'm sure it didn't hurt that we were all kind of his "in-laws" LOL! Thanks for watching!
Interesting ideas. one that you didn't mention has always bugged me. The Doctor says that all Timelords can regenirate when they are dying. So if this is true then why didn't the others do so? Another thing is how did the Doctor not know the master escaped and survived? And how did the timelords come back in the episode End of time? In this episode it is revealed that the Timelords are trapped in a Time Lock and that lock is released by the master.
@clubpenguinxd I hate rose, she acted like a jealous gf, I like 9 and 11 better than 10 but I love all 11 doctors (I went back last summer and watched most of old doctor who :D), give matt smith a chance all the doctors have been damn good, the doctor can be so very different with each regeneration but each one is something special, its what makes the show so good, don't give up on the show just because matt smith isn't david tennant
@DrNaviii i know, i shouldn't judge but, he so, odd. kinda like that kid in math class you sit next to but never talk to cause he knows to much. tennant all the way though! XD rose is my fav though and i will NEVER change that.
@clubpenguinxd I like the oddness, I guess I like my doctors to be pretty alien because the more human doctors like Tennant, peter davison, Mcgann rank lower than doctors like matt smith, tom baker, sylvester mccoy to me.
rose was horrible to micky and her whole family though, I liked her in series 1 but she was kinda a bitch, also I not rly a fan of timelords romancing humans as donna puts it "there are probably laws against it" haha
hey if only species that had knew about time travel in theroy or practice does that mean us? cuz we have mant theroys of time travel and since a lot of stuff like that is top secert anyway we could already have it. and this theroy was a few YEARS ago there may be new info with the new writter and 11th
hey if only species that had knew about time travel in theroy or practice does that mean us? cuz we have mant theroys of time travel and since a lot of stuff like that is top secert anyway we could already have it.
maybe Donna's ring is the lady's version of the fob watch. She could be Romana or Susan. Then there's Genny (The Doctor's daughter) is it possible she could stumble across Gallefrey and the Truth? Look at Donna's grandfather's name Wilfred Mott Time Lord WTF
I think it is shear brilliance. Let me add my thoughts to the mix. Your idea makes perfect sense. The time lords have used the doctor to do their dirty work many times. So why not use him as the Dalek's jailer then wipe his mind. And what the heck is a time lock? GAllafray may still be right where it once was and since the doctor cannot travel back along his own timeline, he would never know. As for the other timelords well. if the gentlemen get fob watches from the chameleon arch, then
oh you have not seen the 3 seson yet with this video well what about the end of time and they are coming back in there id really like to knpw what you think of that
The CONCLUSION of the time war is still the issue, so it's still very possible the Doctor was duped. He was not on Gallifrey when it was (supposedly) destroyed, so how would he know the details of what happened to every single Time Lord? Based on the EOT episodes, the re-entry of the Master back to Gallifrey may have changed events of the final day. Possible escape routes include E-space, Chameleon arches, the Void, parallel worlds, etc, to take TLs beyond the Doctor's psychic reach.
@HeAlether24 Maybe the Doctor fought on the front line, then as things developed he ran from the whole mess based on objections to what the Time lords had decided on.
your logic is sound until the last special of 2009 then we get other reliable proof from the rest of the time lords trapped in the time locked time war
Russell T Davies is not this clever. He is the man credited with bringing back the Dr Who. He is also the man who has reduced it to a dopey kids' show
I'm so pleased someone else has had the same sort of theory! I was playing with the same thoughts that he'd made himself forget what he'd really done. It'll be interesting finding out!
ok this video actuly brung about hope for me... I was always a fan of the episodes like the three doctors the five doctors and the two doctors but and it could allow for another three or four doctors but me myself i think i would stick to 9th...10th...and 11th.
i no a secret that will shock the world but im not reveling it until im 15 in 2 years time this secret will be reveled to the world and in the coming years after that we will be soon traveling the stars i also no the doctors time travels secret but yet again im not telling until 2 more years for in 2 years time the secret will be reveled and the shows of space will become real stay hanging ppl for your lives may depend on it by John.R.Tidman go in the light of the days and never turn back
This is such a brilliant theory that it's a shame it's been contradicted by The End of Time... although I'm sure you have an equally brilliant way of working that into this theory. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
I must admit mate that is a pretty damn hefty but good looking theory, maybe just me but i have a little inkling that this could be true and that the time lords might come back in this seasons final ep or who knows maybe even the guardians will interveen!
What you said leaves us whovians with something to think about. I never thought of it that way before. I hope in future episodes we see more stuff on this time war and hopefully the complete return of the Time lords and maybe the return of the 8th Doctor. N
The reason why the doctor is the only person to talk about the time war is because all the timelords died and the daleks don't know because they all died exept for the emporor. Therefore the doctor is the only person to know about it!
Hilarious in hindsight, given the outcome of the 2009 specials, but a damn good evaluation of the facts and conclusion for its time. I almost wish it turned out like this, but I'm still exceedingly happy with the actual turn of events.
@piccorotto Whats saying it can't? Maybe Davies passed on the secret to Moffat. I mean the plot of this season is damage to time and space. It seems like the perfect time.
ok this was my 1st response, i think its pritty obvius u dont like dr who, u dont understand and fair play so uve done a lil bckground work got some clips and come up with this, ive paused it at 2:55 and to answer ur Q durin the war there was a time lock preventin any1 from goin fawards or backwards in time, but then i watched the rest and ive noticed everythin u talked about and realised u are a fan good for u mate ;)
The End of Time episodes still don't resolve the issue over how the Time War ended, but DID establish it was fought. Until the Master admitted he deserted the war, we hadn't even gotten a 3rd party confirm it had taken place other than the Doctor. EOT2 still doesn't explain how the Doctor could know EVERY Dalek and Gallifreyan died when the planet burned. In fact, the end might changed as the Master went back into the war. This opens up the possibility it did NOT end as the Doctor remembers..
To continue, it could be an implanted memory. One scenario: the Doctor and Romana have a split over destroying Gallifrey, with Romana pleading for the lives of the uncorrupted Time Lords. They settle on a brilliant way to evacuate many of them from the time lock, as yet unknown. Romana locks this memory from the Doctor at his request as he regenerates, so she can depart with them to parts unknown. Thus the Doctor is left alone with survivor's guilt, but the end of the war he recalls is a sham.
If the Master could hide, so could a group of Time Lords. My own idea as to how is that the escaping Gallifreyans slipped into a parallel universe (one without a Time War or time lock), thus picking the lock without breaking it. The Doctor couldn't sense their existence in the universe, because they're literally not in our universe.
Also time lords can't go back and save themselves because you can't interefere with someones personal time line. And in the end of time they did come back by using the master in which they travelled in time to do so.
There will always be mistakes in any TV programme but the time war is no sham. And anyway way more was revealed about the time in the 2009 xmas special the end of time and how it was all time locked.
all of your evidence, as you call it, is circumstancial and speculation. Oh and as we know 'they can rebuild from one dalek' ofc they can, there is vast cloning expertise in the universe look at the sontarans, and with the genius of Davros who himself is a mutated Kaled, this would be easy.
And a final point that I will make is that the Time Lords are pacifistic though and they did force the regenration of the secon Doctor to hold up that IMAGE, however, they sent the third to earth, not for exile, but because really they knew that earth was about to come under a wave of alien invasions, such as the nestines, autons, axons, seadevils, silurians, daemons and the master. All of this they wanted prevented and is proved later in the thrid doctors serise.
Thirdly, the Daleks would commit to the time war, everyone of them beause the time lords were so mighty it would take the entirity of an equal empire to stand a chance of crushing them. dinosaurs the giant maggots and B
Im sorry but your adressing 'NuWho fans' when its pretty obvious you're no oldie yourself unlike me and my friends who have watched this video. Personally I don't care for Russle T either but the time war fits into perfect continuity. Btw, I'm sorry, you said Susan is a timelord? Seeing as we don't know the mother how can that be proven, second of all, not everyone from gallifrey is a time lord, they cant regenerate and they have one life, they are the gallifreyans.
to explain away susan, as you quite rightly point out, she is the doctors grand-daughter and so a time lord (or at least form the planet gallifrey). the master states that he was, i think brought back to life (?) by the time lords to fight in the war, so is it not reasonable to suspect that susan and all other time lords were dragged back to gallifrey to fight as the master, and presumably the doctor, were?
Mate, I think your absolutely right. The whole time war shit is a load of crap. The Time Lords are apparently one of the most powerful species established throughout all the previous series, now they are suddenly all wiped out, talk about dramatic irony. The whole reason this was probably done is so that a couple more series down the line they can have a whole series re-establishing them.
Um...RTD doesn't think that far ahead. I believe that when he started the series his only thought was, "Let's do something shocking!" *gasp* "I know! I'll eliminate ALL Time Lords and ALL Daleks!" Seriously. No, I don't have "evidence," but you're not going to find that kind of thing in scripts. Now? Again, he's just going power hungry. Disappointing, I know, but seriously. RTD is a stupid blighter.
Finally, if the War itself is unwinnable, then the Time Lords must have been preparing for this moment for years! Yet as keppers of time, why on earth would they wish for the end of Time?
Now, if anybody hasn't noticed, it seems that the Time Lords have been preparing for this; as they seem to want to be in control of time, as they proclaim that Time will end. Further, the fact that the Time War was 'Time-Locked', for beings like the Master, the Dalek Emperor, and Davros to survive seems to be too much coincidence.
this is a comment regarding the newest episode: The End of Time.
If I say any spoilers that people do not want to hear, tough luck!!
Okay, from the vey end of the episode, the Time Lords reappear, and they do not seem to be too badly damaged in terms of ranks; rather they are brimming with life. Also, the Narrator (Timothy Dalton) explains the drum beat in the Master's head - the heartbeat of a Time Lord.
I say we just go with it and see whats in store, but the time war is time locked and if he could go back to change things he would i mean didnt he say he's tryed?? but even if he did and change it all the future would be different and it could turn out bad but then again we must remember Wibbly Wobbly Timey whimey
Interesting thought, but no. In order to pull it off, with the Doctor not having any idea of the Time Lords' existence, they would have had to disconnect him from the Matrix. They would never do that--they're far too grabby with their power. The Doctor was a rogue element before the Time War, and they would never take the risk of giving him further license to do whatever he likes (as the Matrix keeps track of what the Time Lords do).
Besides, RTD isn't that smart. :p Interesting theory, though.
Wow. Good observing... I found some of this a bit odd. The Master being the only one to run away, I mean. Has there been any explanation as to what the Cruciform is? Obviously the Crucible was in Season 4... But what of the Cruciform? What was it? Why was it so important that the Emperor Dalek had to have it? Daleks would only take over things that could cause mass destruction... I hope they explain it. Or any of you, I don't care which. Brilliant vid. :)
i think ur wrong about the tardis repair part, saying he can never fix it. i think this because in one episode with mickey, i can't remember which, he says 'why a police box' the doctor says' it could blend in with anything' mickey says 'y doesnt it' and he goes ' i could repair it but i like it this way' or something along those lines
no, he's right. The Time Lords restored the dr's knowlwedge and allowed him to travel again after the events of
"the three doctors." and btw, the chameleon circuit has been fixed before -- in "attack of the cybermen." but the dr couldnt fix it properly, and in the end, it just got stuck as a police box again.
I think the Doctor told the truth. There was a huge and fateful war. The Time Lords and Daleks very evenly matched. The way they were defeated was that all combatants on both sides are locked in a bit of time, set aside from the current timestream - which is why Doctors 1 -4 and 6 - 9 can never return.
There may be a few Time Lord survivors, via Chameleon Arch and other means, but only a very few. The Time Lords aren't as a species, hiding out safely.
Also consider that RTD is a lying cad when he wants a big reveal (see: lying for TWO YEARS about the Master) if he feels it's worth the payoff. I can absolutely see this. I hope it's true; it's incredibly well thought out in comparison to the vagueness so far.
I would like to comment on jeddahl's comment on the Timelords using a perception filter. Yea they could be using it, but to hide Gallifrey away from the rest of the universe, they could always of put the planet 1 second out of sync with the rest of the universe. Just like Davros did with the 27 planets
bloody good theory mate. In the End Of Time, The time lords return! Watch a few time lord videos then you come to a series of difeent vids that show evidence of their return along with the master!
ANSWER PART 2: If the War is Time Locked, then your theory doesn't work. The Daleks were capable of Emergency temporal Shifs. If they shifted, THEN the doctor wiped out everything, then he WOULD think that all Daleks were destroyed. The ones that shifted were scattered through time BEFORE the end of the war. If they did that, and no one, including the Doctor could go back, how would he know that they escaped? He couldn't, thus disproving your theory. But it's a GOOD ONE!
ANSWER PART 1: Not to be rude, but I think you are forgetting the the Time War was "Time Locked". When the Doctor meets Davros and Dalek Khan in the Crucible, the Doctor wanted to know how Dalek Khan was able to travel back into the Time War over and over again since it was Time Locked.
the theory still works though! simple: the time lords trap all the daleks (except caan, who arrives at an earlier point in the war), and then put a "time lock" on the whole event, so that, should the dr ever be tempted to change the result (now he believes Gallifrey is gone), then he simply wont be able to).
I will amend your theory some. The Timelords are using a perception filter on Gallifrey to hide it from everyone. Then they changed the Doctor's memories so he thought Gallifrey was destroyed and forced him to change into the 9th Doctor (like they did to the 2nd).
I also believe that Jack Harness was the 8th Doctor's Companion in the Time War, and the Time Lords "stole" his memories not the Time Agency. They ultimately set into course the events that led them to meet again.
Aledgely Gallifrey is returning in the xmas specials. Love your theory sounds like your mind is tuned to RTD but remember it is SM writing it now so who knows
and what about the doctor's daughter - the blonde one?? she came back to life, must be time lord (although didn't regenerate, so maybe sorta a weaker or poss stronger time lord??)...
i can't help thinking that the doctor is still in the matrix from the end of trial of a time lord and everything thats happened since has just been illusion including the time war
Just a comment on the paragraph about Susan. If you read the earlier Dr Who book Lungbarrow, it'll explain why she calls him Grandfather. Why would a species that creates their offspring from genetic looms have ANY interest in sex?
Here is another twist. The same timelord energy that is used for regeneration is the same energy that keeps Captain Jack from dying. Go figure. What is this regeneration energy anyway. Where does it come from and how can use it to regenerate. As you know the Master refused to regenerate and he died. Therefore, if a timelord reached their 13th life can they use this same energy to live forever? Captain Jack died thousands of times. Therefore a timelord can never die even in a time war.
random thoughts ... the master was sent by time lords to stop the time war ,the master plays with paradox ,the master found a way to stop the war , davros child is saved by the doctor which caused him to go insane , human race is linked to cause extinction of the time lords the doctor will have to choose to be traitor or allow humans to be erased ,rani do experiments on jack ,darlecks replace the judoon as police of the shadow proclamation ,jenny engaged to marry with the master
Oh that just made a theory click into place in my head. Maybe the Time War is still going on (there is definitely A Time War going on, the Doctor vs. creatures that were supposed to have died, crossing all time and space) but maybe the end of the Time War is something the Doctor will do in his personal future and was just somehow there to witness it. Time Lords could still be pulling the strings though. Shrug, it's just a theory.
You want crazy? How 'bout this: The Doctor's 13th (last) incarnation goes to where Gallifrey was- dies- the energy release RECREATES the place, back to the beginning and closing the circle. We'll have to wait for either the last episode or Nov 2013 (the 50th anniversary) -- heyyy, I bet that's when this resolves.
What about this: Humans are the prespecies of the timelords(explains their close biological resemblance) somewhere in the future they spread out into the universe, and a couple of geniusses land on gallifrey, eventually they invent timeraveling, and call themselves the timelords, the keep an affinity for their prespecies and biologically engineer their body's for regenerating
That would actually explain why the Doctor is always so concerned with protecting the humans and the planet earth and is eager to see them go out among the stars.
As to hiding, how about a tiny pocket of time just like in the season four finale. Or better yet (and yes this is really mad but what the hell) A debris field exactly where gallifrey used to be and one of the rocks in the field is artifical, dimensionally transcendental and Gallifrey is actually INSIDE it! How's that for lunatic theories!!!!
Superb! I came up with the same theory! Or near enough - only difference being that the Doctor is NOT a willing participant in the deception. I think the Time lords convinced him they were destroyed. Think about it - They want the universe to think they've been anhiliated. In order to do that, who is the one person they would need to convince? Exactly the kind of thing the duplicitous, devious old reptiles would do!
I'm inclined to go with your theory to a certain point b/c I remember in the Classic series how much the Doctor resisted Timelord society and how much the Timlords would interfere with his life. I am wondering if RTD is going to write the 2009 specials so that by the end the Timelords and Gallifrey will have returned somehow so Moffet truly has a clean slate.
ok. here we go. The one in van statten vaults didn't know the out come because he fell through a hole in time (I think or it might have just been falling through space or something ill watch the episode again) and fell to earth and stayed there until the doctor came, the cult of skaro would never have known because they were in the void and the master was human, none of those are sources for the time war so how are they evidence? THOUGH I REALLY LIKE THE MEMORY WIPING INPRISONING BIT! NICE WORK
Like it, plausable, devious. and just like the time lords.
but on another point. we now got Cybus men from another dimention(dont like them anyway), trolling around our universe. The real Cybermen ,(those that have survived)when they find out are gona be mighty pissed off
could have been ANY battle, not the end. the doc could have tried to wipe out the daleks, but some escaped and regrouped?? that way the time war continues while the emperor vanishes, and as the video says, the rest were imprisoned! no witnesses other than the dr!
Do me a favor and watch the video before commenting, please. I never said the Time War didn't happen, I only say it didn't end the way that it has been presented. The title is meant to be catchy and inspire WATCHING.
Good theory! Interesting ideas and good support with the info that's in the series!
Of course there's a snowball chance in hell that ANY of it will be used by Davies or Mofatt.
The real point of the Time War was to make the Doctor a true wanderer without a home or anyone he can truly relate to ('the lonely little boy' reference from The Girl In The Fireplace).
When you think about it there are so many timelords that very probably weren't in the time war. Romana (when she left) seemed to never want to go back to Gallifrey again. The Rani would never go back. Who knows where Drax went? And what about the Time Meddler? He's probaby still stuck in his Tardis, But NONE of these people are dead.
On another note, consider the possibility that Humans are a descendant species of the Time Lords, there are no Time Lords left, yet who resembles them so closely biologically? Humans! Not to mention a Time Lord can alter his DNA to become human. It all seems to fit just a little too well. Because when you watch through the new Series' Humans have always been the species that have fought so hard and defeated the Daleks. bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbba
to be honest you theory makes sense and i congratulate you on your smart thinking,we will have to see what the future holds. who knows what will happen???????
Damn this 500 character limit, you should read my posts in reverse order if you want them to make any sense...or maybe you don't...either way I think the points raised are all quite valid!
The whole theory of the Time War is that it was fought between the Time Lords and the Daleks. And "apparently" ending when The Doctor burned the Daleks, Time Lords and Gallifrey all at once. However, if this were true. Neither Time Lords nor Daleks would ever exist again.
And when you look at the evidence from the new series' (post 2005) its clear that the Time War is still waging. The Doctor and Daleks are still fighting each other throughout time.
And consider what Davros says in Stolen Earth/Journey's End. He refers to The Doctor as a 'Child of Gallifrey' and yet ALL Daleks refer to Humans as 'Children of Time', which when you think about it. Would prove that Humanity is the ultimate species, and even IF the Time Lords were destroyed during "The Last Great Time War", then hasn't Mankind taken their place?
On another note, consider the possibility that Humans are a descendant species of the Time Lords, there are no Time Lords left, yet who resembles them so closely biologically? Humans! Not to mention a Time Lord can alter his DNA to become human. It all seems to fit just a little too well. Because when you watch through the new Series' Humans have always been the species that have fought so hard and defeated the Daleks.
This is a really good theory. It all makes sense, except the "why couldn't they go back and change stuff" was discredited in Journey's End. There was supposedly a "Time Lock" on the Time War.
But, for this video being made BEFORE Journey's End was even filmed, it is very good and makes a lot of sense.
You are nuts. There are a few time lords scattered here and there, but most of them are GONE. The doctor BLEW UP HIS PLANET! My sister watched a video that said so! I know this is kind of off-topic, but I'm a time lord. One day during P.E., my heart rate moniter was going haywire, and I felt my heart to see if my heart was really beating that fast, and it wasn't. So I felt on the other side and I felt a second heart beat! You may think I'm nuts, but it's true.
I thought this was just a THEORY. Like, for a FICTIONAL TELEVISION SHOW.
Your sister saw a video that said so? Will this video says differently, does that make it true, too? I mean, it IS a video...
Please go to the nearest psychiatrist and tell them you are a Time Lord, they can help you contact the Doctor, becuase really, Doctor Who is not real. Time Lords do not exist. Doctor Who is a television show.
They couldn't go back in time and stop things from happening because the war was time locked. That means when it's over, it's OVER at all points in history. How that dalek emporer went back in time and saved that guy who made daleks from cells of his own body, I don't know...
Interesting analysis. Don't think some of your arguments are strong, though. Susan for example... the way Time Lords perceive and exist in time is different than us... so Susan in the 22nd century does not mean Susan did not return to Gallifrey... because she could move 'back' (from our perspective) to go home.
It's the time lords' own personal timeline where they experience time.
I love your thoughtful analysis, and the music which you chose to pair it with. Remember, time isn't nice and simply linear; it's this big ball of sort of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey ... stuff!
Russel T Davis practically ruined doctor who i mean thanks for bringing it back but i'm glad he's fucked off now i mean the rate he was killing the doctor's lives he wouldn't make 2015 and if you don't know what i'm talking about the doctor can only regenerate 13 times and then the timelord is DEAD! since David Tennant is regenerating this year and Matt Smith is taking over the Doctor can only regenerate 2 more times before Dead! then what was Russel gonna do!
listen i love doctor who and i dont know fancy words i just like the programme,its good fun but come on its a story. everyone knows the doctor who story and the time war, and if people are truly doctor who fans you will believe that the time war happend and that it is no sham.
it would be nice to know where jenny went to, we know she was a time lord
TOPBLAZER85 1 day ago
Do you still believe all of this after 'The End of Time' ???
TableKMusicVideos 2 weeks ago
@TableKMusicVideos Meh, a bit. I don't know if we'll ever know everything (RTD seemed to take the Time War with him) but I still think the loophole exists. In a way, I WAS right about the TimeLords still being around-- just in a Time Loop! I'd like further clarification but I'm willing to watch Matt Smith do his thing for now. ^_^
sailorsenmurv 2 weeks ago
This my friend is a video that is a lie I know allot about the Time war how it ended.. Susan is not really biologically related to the Doctor (Real Doctor who lovers no that)
Tokoroa1cp 2 weeks ago
@Tokoroa1cp I'd love for you to tell me exactly where this is specifically stated in the show. As far as I've seen (and I AM a huge fan of both original and NuWho) no one has ever explicitly stated that she is not a Timelord. I highly distrust those who would categorize her otherwise (it casts some serious questions the Doctor's way . . .)
That said, look at how old this vid is-- We're obviously in a new era and RTD's stuff is done and dusted. I still see some mystery, though.
sailorsenmurv 2 weeks ago
@sailorsenmurv True.. But the time war did happen (you can see in the classic Doctor who) and the Time war ended (proof in the end of time when the master tried to bring His planet and his people back to life... The daleks were meant to die but some went away in time.. and came back!
Tokoroa1cp 2 weeks ago
@sailorsenmurv Actually in a William Hartnell Episode, the FIRST EPISODE. It is stated that they are trapped, unable to go back to their home planet. She is a Time Lady/Gallifrayian.
WanderingTimelord88 2 weeks ago
Oh hogwash...you had some good theorising until you got to the Susan part. My Dad is not biologically related to me, yet he's still my Dad. My kids will be his Grandchildren. To assume that a relationship like that cannot exist without a true biological link is a slap in the face to foster families, adopted families and such.
(PS, if you've changed your mind on the matter in the last few years then ignore this comment)
ZoahLord 2 weeks ago
@ZoahLord Oh dear, I NEVER intended to imply any insult-- I was simply pronouncing my disgust towards the "in-between years" crazies so desperate to bring mystery back to Doctor Who that they'd go so far as to disinherit Susan. The show never gave us any reason to even question her heritage and I get irritated whenever so-called fans do. Don't get me wrong-- I would not have any problem with her being an adopted relative IF THE SHOW STATED IT, but it never did.
sailorsenmurv 2 weeks ago
wooooooooooooooooooooow
this is still a family show right?
doctor who might seem family friendly, until you think about it,
Anacondas101 1 month ago
WOW!!
Anacondas101 1 month ago
i've kinda forget that the doctor is a timelord, about galifrey, about the time war, Matt Smith just never talks about that stuff
Anacondas101 1 month ago
I AM ABOVE THE LAW
piercegriffiths 2 months ago
This is genius. It sucks too much for the Doctor to have killed his whole species for some daleks to be alive. And he would have at least saved some kids or relatives before doing whatever he did to kill the time lords.
JanksterProductions 2 months ago
Rule #1, The Doctor Lies.
XixTheShadow 3 months ago
i know how you might be wrong, the dalek emperor survived the time war too, it he says its real, also there was a move about the time war
InsertNameHere297 5 months ago
@InsertNameHere297 There was a movie about the Time War? When?
JamieHowitt 4 months ago
@JamieHowitt sorry that comment was a mistake. i had heard therewas a movie about the time war but i turned out to be wrong. but i wish they did.
InsertNameHere297 4 months ago
didn't the doctor say the daleks can beimprisoned for eternity in the void
InsertNameHere297 5 months ago
i would say a little of this video is true just a very litle
Dragonbreath2011 7 months ago
This guy has a point but the Time lords are actually alive just inprisoned in a time lock that the doctor made
Dragonbreath2011 7 months ago
@sailorsenmurv Awesum theory, you should make a doctor who novel or be a writer or something. Your plot has more turns than an amazon river. But just 2 things:
1. The Doctor personally killed both the Timelords and Daleks (though it might have been an implanted memory like you said)
2. The Timelords came back at the end of series 4 (and i know you did this before that point) before the Doctor could destroy them, but later were sent back. So basically, they really died
Still a great theory tho
CJFRANKS7 7 months ago
there's a few holes in your take on it. 1: the doctor didn't sense the master even though the master escaped and that was due to the master changing himself into a human and fleeing into the far future. the time war was a war throughout time and it was done and redone on both sides to lose win lose win over and over until time created abominations, sure he suggested there was only one battle but the tenth suggested there was many more. the dr put the time lords et al in the void between worlds.
the1tigglet 8 months ago
Goddam man. THAT EXPLAINS SO MUCH.
AJTaiyou 8 months ago
They did go back in Time, but after the War the Doctor Time Locked it. nobody can travel in or out of that period
degenix 8 months ago
I think you just made my brain explode
jackdavenportsbaby11 10 months ago
I assumed he absorbed the Time Vortex. Notice how he seems to know everything that happens when that is done, and says that a Time Lord who were to do that would become a vengeful God. Now, look at the Doctor's actions. He IS a vengeful god. So, he knows exactly what happens when you absorb the Time Vortex and he shows signs of the personality he describes. Rose, a human, used it to destroy a Dalek fleet. Think of how he could use it.
HaloGuru13 10 months ago
Please watch "the stolen earth" and "the final journey" for further information
yuo252 10 months ago
"sham" .... wth is sham?
Anna464 10 months ago
I agree with you but what about Jenny isn't she a time lord or would she be half time lord since she was born from the machine and the doctor DNA
yuffiefan750 11 months ago
What episode is 7:41 from?
lkgrave 11 months ago
totally agree with you sailor, but forgot to take one thing into consideration about Susan. let's assume that after she was left on earth she lived happily ever after with the guy she stayed for. her descendants would have spread her dna throughout atleast a big chunk of humanity. big implications. help to explain why the doctor has such a fondness for this world and humanity.
SpockBorg5 11 months ago 2
@SpockBorg5 I DO agree here-- The Doctor really gained his love for humans more after she left. I'm sure it didn't hurt that we were all kind of his "in-laws" LOL! Thanks for watching!
sailorsenmurv 11 months ago 3
It'd be nice to have susan back - and that timelord from "Genesis of the Daleks", with the socks on his head.
TheEocene 1 year ago
don't believe it myself, but hey, in my case I've got no new evidence. I really want Susan to turn up again!
rentregagnant 1 year ago
it looks like your theory isn't possible now, shame really it was better than what RTD did with it
DrNaviii 1 year ago
On top of the other arguments, Davros personally confirmed being rescued from the war by DALEK kan
Quentin719 1 year ago
Interesting ideas. one that you didn't mention has always bugged me. The Doctor says that all Timelords can regenirate when they are dying. So if this is true then why didn't the others do so? Another thing is how did the Doctor not know the master escaped and survived? And how did the timelords come back in the episode End of time? In this episode it is revealed that the Timelords are trapped in a Time Lock and that lock is released by the master.
JemimakittenCat 1 year ago
i don't know about half the stuff you talked about!!!! i only wathched 9 and 10, i hate 11 (i wish they'd bring back 10 and rose) and that's it.
clubpenguinxd 1 year ago
@clubpenguinxd I hate rose, she acted like a jealous gf, I like 9 and 11 better than 10 but I love all 11 doctors (I went back last summer and watched most of old doctor who :D), give matt smith a chance all the doctors have been damn good, the doctor can be so very different with each regeneration but each one is something special, its what makes the show so good, don't give up on the show just because matt smith isn't david tennant
DrNaviii 1 year ago
@DrNaviii i know, i shouldn't judge but, he so, odd. kinda like that kid in math class you sit next to but never talk to cause he knows to much. tennant all the way though! XD rose is my fav though and i will NEVER change that.
clubpenguinxd 1 year ago
@clubpenguinxd I like the oddness, I guess I like my doctors to be pretty alien because the more human doctors like Tennant, peter davison, Mcgann rank lower than doctors like matt smith, tom baker, sylvester mccoy to me.
rose was horrible to micky and her whole family though, I liked her in series 1 but she was kinda a bitch, also I not rly a fan of timelords romancing humans as donna puts it "there are probably laws against it" haha
DrNaviii 1 year ago
hey if only species that had knew about time travel in theroy or practice does that mean us? cuz we have mant theroys of time travel and since a lot of stuff like that is top secert anyway we could already have it. and this theroy was a few YEARS ago there may be new info with the new writter and 11th
nerdtvch5 1 year ago
hey if only species that had knew about time travel in theroy or practice does that mean us? cuz we have mant theroys of time travel and since a lot of stuff like that is top secert anyway we could already have it.
nerdtvch5 1 year ago
maybe Donna's ring is the lady's version of the fob watch. She could be Romana or Susan. Then there's Genny (The Doctor's daughter) is it possible she could stumble across Gallefrey and the Truth? Look at Donna's grandfather's name Wilfred Mott Time Lord WTF
darklylooking 1 year ago
I think it is shear brilliance. Let me add my thoughts to the mix. Your idea makes perfect sense. The time lords have used the doctor to do their dirty work many times. So why not use him as the Dalek's jailer then wipe his mind. And what the heck is a time lock? GAllafray may still be right where it once was and since the doctor cannot travel back along his own timeline, he would never know. As for the other timelords well. if the gentlemen get fob watches from the chameleon arch, then
darklylooking 1 year ago
oh you have not seen the 3 seson yet with this video well what about the end of time and they are coming back in there id really like to knpw what you think of that
thearthurshow 1 year ago
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glad im not the only one
esp on the doctors granddaughter
tht was in the 1st film staring peter cushing
why is he not listed as one of the doctors as well or has the doctor also been made to gorget tht
and even maybe his children and grandchildren>
just a extra bit :P
paulus121212 1 year ago
glad im not the only one
esp on the doctors granddaughter
tht was in the 1st film staring peter cushing
why is he not listed as one of the doctors as well or has the doctor also been made to gorget tht
and even maybe his children and grandchildren
paulus121212 1 year ago
The CONCLUSION of the time war is still the issue, so it's still very possible the Doctor was duped. He was not on Gallifrey when it was (supposedly) destroyed, so how would he know the details of what happened to every single Time Lord? Based on the EOT episodes, the re-entry of the Master back to Gallifrey may have changed events of the final day. Possible escape routes include E-space, Chameleon arches, the Void, parallel worlds, etc, to take TLs beyond the Doctor's psychic reach.
rsmllc2 1 year ago
@rsmllc2 I agree with you on that big time it'd be cool to see the time lords back o.O just with out wanting to destroy every thing in creation
andrewdafoe 1 year ago
wait a minute i remember from another episode that the Doctor ran away but, at 2:16 he said he fought on the front line
HeAlether24 1 year ago
@HeAlether24 Maybe the Doctor fought on the front line, then as things developed he ran from the whole mess based on objections to what the Time lords had decided on.
rsmllc2 1 year ago
your logic is sound until the last special of 2009 then we get other reliable proof from the rest of the time lords trapped in the time locked time war
DRAGORNDRAGON 1 year ago
this entire video is moot. as of "the end of time" all the time lords except the doctor and possibly his daughter were sealed in the time war.
shadoeboi212 1 year ago
Russell T Davies is not this clever. He is the man credited with bringing back the Dr Who. He is also the man who has reduced it to a dopey kids' show
DavyTom71 1 year ago
I'm so pleased someone else has had the same sort of theory! I was playing with the same thoughts that he'd made himself forget what he'd really done. It'll be interesting finding out!
scareDcat 1 year ago
ok this video actuly brung about hope for me... I was always a fan of the episodes like the three doctors the five doctors and the two doctors but and it could allow for another three or four doctors but me myself i think i would stick to 9th...10th...and 11th.
thecyborg101 1 year ago
i no a secret that will shock the world but im not reveling it until im 15 in 2 years time this secret will be reveled to the world and in the coming years after that we will be soon traveling the stars i also no the doctors time travels secret but yet again im not telling until 2 more years for in 2 years time the secret will be reveled and the shows of space will become real stay hanging ppl for your lives may depend on it by John.R.Tidman go in the light of the days and never turn back
superwarrior15 1 year ago
This is such a brilliant theory that it's a shame it's been contradicted by The End of Time... although I'm sure you have an equally brilliant way of working that into this theory. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
MrChenrezi 1 year ago
Nice video, but I'm not sure if this still holds up with the new episodes being shown (Tonnes of stuff has happened. Epic stuff!).
You should do another video with information from series 4 and five. Five is nearly over, anyway.
hypnotisedpenguin 1 year ago
I must admit mate that is a pretty damn hefty but good looking theory, maybe just me but i have a little inkling that this could be true and that the time lords might come back in this seasons final ep or who knows maybe even the guardians will interveen!
ohtindustries 1 year ago
this may have nothing to do with the vid it's self but i really like ecclostons doctor.
theAngryscotman 1 year ago
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you are wrong the time war did happen we know that it did end by watching 'The End of Time.
TheFirstEvil100 1 year ago
What's your view now the 4th series and 'The End of Time' episode has come and gone?
VintageRomana 1 year ago
What you said leaves us whovians with something to think about. I never thought of it that way before. I hope in future episodes we see more stuff on this time war and hopefully the complete return of the Time lords and maybe the return of the 8th Doctor. N
Great vid,thanks for creating it.
Dunes 1 year ago
The reason why the doctor is the only person to talk about the time war is because all the timelords died and the daleks don't know because they all died exept for the emporor. Therefore the doctor is the only person to know about it!
Galddedon 1 year ago
the masters more like a chicken master lol!
1hufflepuff 1 year ago
daleks dont negotiate
karlberrisford 1 year ago
why is it when we hear stories about the time war the stories are slighty different then the previous one
pedro27mumble 1 year ago
I love you.
extraterrestrialn00b 1 year ago
well he wouldnt be able to go look back over every episode and see every detail!!!!
theblehguy1 1 year ago
What is the song called?
rachelofpie 2 years ago
Hilarious in hindsight, given the outcome of the 2009 specials, but a damn good evaluation of the facts and conclusion for its time. I almost wish it turned out like this, but I'm still exceedingly happy with the actual turn of events.
piccorotto 2 years ago
@piccorotto Whats saying it can't? Maybe Davies passed on the secret to Moffat. I mean the plot of this season is damage to time and space. It seems like the perfect time.
BurningEclipse77 1 year ago
ok this was my 1st response, i think its pritty obvius u dont like dr who, u dont understand and fair play so uve done a lil bckground work got some clips and come up with this, ive paused it at 2:55 and to answer ur Q durin the war there was a time lock preventin any1 from goin fawards or backwards in time, but then i watched the rest and ive noticed everythin u talked about and realised u are a fan good for u mate ;)
MarkedOnGames 2 years ago
of course recent doctor episodes prove this video competly wrong.
deadman00 2 years ago
Nope, we didn't see the war end.
RodgeLinkbot 2 years ago
The End of Time episodes still don't resolve the issue over how the Time War ended, but DID establish it was fought. Until the Master admitted he deserted the war, we hadn't even gotten a 3rd party confirm it had taken place other than the Doctor. EOT2 still doesn't explain how the Doctor could know EVERY Dalek and Gallifreyan died when the planet burned. In fact, the end might changed as the Master went back into the war. This opens up the possibility it did NOT end as the Doctor remembers..
rsmllc2 2 years ago
To continue, it could be an implanted memory. One scenario: the Doctor and Romana have a split over destroying Gallifrey, with Romana pleading for the lives of the uncorrupted Time Lords. They settle on a brilliant way to evacuate many of them from the time lock, as yet unknown. Romana locks this memory from the Doctor at his request as he regenerates, so she can depart with them to parts unknown. Thus the Doctor is left alone with survivor's guilt, but the end of the war he recalls is a sham.
rsmllc2 2 years ago
He's still Time sensitive and telepathically connected to other Time Lords, he'd still know unless they were hiding like the Master was...
RodgeLinkbot 2 years ago
If the Master could hide, so could a group of Time Lords. My own idea as to how is that the escaping Gallifreyans slipped into a parallel universe (one without a Time War or time lock), thus picking the lock without breaking it. The Doctor couldn't sense their existence in the universe, because they're literally not in our universe.
rsmllc2 2 years ago
Also time lords can't go back and save themselves because you can't interefere with someones personal time line. And in the end of time they did come back by using the master in which they travelled in time to do so.
GalacticWarzz 2 years ago
There will always be mistakes in any TV programme but the time war is no sham. And anyway way more was revealed about the time in the 2009 xmas special the end of time and how it was all time locked.
GalacticWarzz 2 years ago
all of your evidence, as you call it, is circumstancial and speculation. Oh and as we know 'they can rebuild from one dalek' ofc they can, there is vast cloning expertise in the universe look at the sontarans, and with the genius of Davros who himself is a mutated Kaled, this would be easy.
IlidanTheBetrayer 2 years ago
And a final point that I will make is that the Time Lords are pacifistic though and they did force the regenration of the secon Doctor to hold up that IMAGE, however, they sent the third to earth, not for exile, but because really they knew that earth was about to come under a wave of alien invasions, such as the nestines, autons, axons, seadevils, silurians, daemons and the master. All of this they wanted prevented and is proved later in the thrid doctors serise.
IlidanTheBetrayer 2 years ago
Thirdly, the Daleks would commit to the time war, everyone of them beause the time lords were so mighty it would take the entirity of an equal empire to stand a chance of crushing them. dinosaurs the giant maggots and B
IlidanTheBetrayer 2 years ago
Im sorry but your adressing 'NuWho fans' when its pretty obvious you're no oldie yourself unlike me and my friends who have watched this video. Personally I don't care for Russle T either but the time war fits into perfect continuity. Btw, I'm sorry, you said Susan is a timelord? Seeing as we don't know the mother how can that be proven, second of all, not everyone from gallifrey is a time lord, they cant regenerate and they have one life, they are the gallifreyans.
IlidanTheBetrayer 2 years ago
to explain away susan, as you quite rightly point out, she is the doctors grand-daughter and so a time lord (or at least form the planet gallifrey). the master states that he was, i think brought back to life (?) by the time lords to fight in the war, so is it not reasonable to suspect that susan and all other time lords were dragged back to gallifrey to fight as the master, and presumably the doctor, were?
KitsuneProductions 2 years ago
Mate, I think your absolutely right. The whole time war shit is a load of crap. The Time Lords are apparently one of the most powerful species established throughout all the previous series, now they are suddenly all wiped out, talk about dramatic irony. The whole reason this was probably done is so that a couple more series down the line they can have a whole series re-establishing them.
gmcclelland007 2 years ago
talking about susan and other loose ends, wonder what happened to Cho- ji, the abbot from the "planet of the spiders" episode?
Being a pacifist of the N'th degree, he was unlikely to join the war, so theres another inroad for the line to be restored.
Or do we just think too much?
hmmm....
aascendant 2 years ago
Russell Davies isn't being straight? I love it!! lol
He couldn't write a cheque without giving it a gay slant...
just thought i'd point out the irony.
love the vid, brilliant theory.
aascendant 2 years ago
Um...RTD doesn't think that far ahead. I believe that when he started the series his only thought was, "Let's do something shocking!" *gasp* "I know! I'll eliminate ALL Time Lords and ALL Daleks!" Seriously. No, I don't have "evidence," but you're not going to find that kind of thing in scripts. Now? Again, he's just going power hungry. Disappointing, I know, but seriously. RTD is a stupid blighter.
GallifreysMagician 2 years ago
Excellent music!
Cloudlesssoul 2 years ago
Finally, if the War itself is unwinnable, then the Time Lords must have been preparing for this moment for years! Yet as keppers of time, why on earth would they wish for the end of Time?
Thoughts, comments and counter-arguments please!!
Jimbob1337 2 years ago
Now, if anybody hasn't noticed, it seems that the Time Lords have been preparing for this; as they seem to want to be in control of time, as they proclaim that Time will end. Further, the fact that the Time War was 'Time-Locked', for beings like the Master, the Dalek Emperor, and Davros to survive seems to be too much coincidence.
Jimbob1337 2 years ago
this is a comment regarding the newest episode: The End of Time.
If I say any spoilers that people do not want to hear, tough luck!!
Okay, from the vey end of the episode, the Time Lords reappear, and they do not seem to be too badly damaged in terms of ranks; rather they are brimming with life. Also, the Narrator (Timothy Dalton) explains the drum beat in the Master's head - the heartbeat of a Time Lord.
Jimbob1337 2 years ago
I say we just go with it and see whats in store, but the time war is time locked and if he could go back to change things he would i mean didnt he say he's tryed?? but even if he did and change it all the future would be different and it could turn out bad but then again we must remember Wibbly Wobbly Timey whimey
Captaineogio 2 years ago
Interesting thought, but no. In order to pull it off, with the Doctor not having any idea of the Time Lords' existence, they would have had to disconnect him from the Matrix. They would never do that--they're far too grabby with their power. The Doctor was a rogue element before the Time War, and they would never take the risk of giving him further license to do whatever he likes (as the Matrix keeps track of what the Time Lords do).
Besides, RTD isn't that smart. :p Interesting theory, though.
CrystalSoulslayer 2 years ago
6:35 what episode is that scene from?
Jimbob1337 2 years ago
Glad you asked! "The Parting of the Ways"-- last of the 2005 series. Near the beginning!
sailorsenmurv 2 years ago
Wow. Good observing... I found some of this a bit odd. The Master being the only one to run away, I mean. Has there been any explanation as to what the Cruciform is? Obviously the Crucible was in Season 4... But what of the Cruciform? What was it? Why was it so important that the Emperor Dalek had to have it? Daleks would only take over things that could cause mass destruction... I hope they explain it. Or any of you, I don't care which. Brilliant vid. :)
azorx7777777 2 years ago
i think ur wrong about the tardis repair part, saying he can never fix it. i think this because in one episode with mickey, i can't remember which, he says 'why a police box' the doctor says' it could blend in with anything' mickey says 'y doesnt it' and he goes ' i could repair it but i like it this way' or something along those lines
scrubs507 2 years ago
no, he's right. The Time Lords restored the dr's knowlwedge and allowed him to travel again after the events of
"the three doctors." and btw, the chameleon circuit has been fixed before -- in "attack of the cybermen." but the dr couldnt fix it properly, and in the end, it just got stuck as a police box again.
kaledmasterme 2 years ago
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scrubs507 2 years ago
other thn tht though awesome vid man :D
scrubs507 2 years ago
MAYBE IN THE 5TH
itsmyireland 2 years ago
very good. well thought out.
doctorwhofan63 2 years ago
I think the Doctor told the truth. There was a huge and fateful war. The Time Lords and Daleks very evenly matched. The way they were defeated was that all combatants on both sides are locked in a bit of time, set aside from the current timestream - which is why Doctors 1 -4 and 6 - 9 can never return.
There may be a few Time Lord survivors, via Chameleon Arch and other means, but only a very few. The Time Lords aren't as a species, hiding out safely.
Ontir 2 years ago
Also consider that RTD is a lying cad when he wants a big reveal (see: lying for TWO YEARS about the Master) if he feels it's worth the payoff. I can absolutely see this. I hope it's true; it's incredibly well thought out in comparison to the vagueness so far.
Ayries 2 years ago
Sick !!! I love doctor Who!!
Ladii3Smiles 2 years ago
I would like to comment on jeddahl's comment on the Timelords using a perception filter. Yea they could be using it, but to hide Gallifrey away from the rest of the universe, they could always of put the planet 1 second out of sync with the rest of the universe. Just like Davros did with the 27 planets
bigrobx 2 years ago 2
bloody good theory mate. In the End Of Time, The time lords return! Watch a few time lord videos then you come to a series of difeent vids that show evidence of their return along with the master!
11doctors 2 years ago
ANSWER PART 2: If the War is Time Locked, then your theory doesn't work. The Daleks were capable of Emergency temporal Shifs. If they shifted, THEN the doctor wiped out everything, then he WOULD think that all Daleks were destroyed. The ones that shifted were scattered through time BEFORE the end of the war. If they did that, and no one, including the Doctor could go back, how would he know that they escaped? He couldn't, thus disproving your theory. But it's a GOOD ONE!
CHRISTISLORD77 2 years ago
ANSWER PART 1: Not to be rude, but I think you are forgetting the the Time War was "Time Locked". When the Doctor meets Davros and Dalek Khan in the Crucible, the Doctor wanted to know how Dalek Khan was able to travel back into the Time War over and over again since it was Time Locked.
CHRISTISLORD77 2 years ago
the theory still works though! simple: the time lords trap all the daleks (except caan, who arrives at an earlier point in the war), and then put a "time lock" on the whole event, so that, should the dr ever be tempted to change the result (now he believes Gallifrey is gone), then he simply wont be able to).
kaledmasterme 2 years ago
I will amend your theory some. The Timelords are using a perception filter on Gallifrey to hide it from everyone. Then they changed the Doctor's memories so he thought Gallifrey was destroyed and forced him to change into the 9th Doctor (like they did to the 2nd).
I also believe that Jack Harness was the 8th Doctor's Companion in the Time War, and the Time Lords "stole" his memories not the Time Agency. They ultimately set into course the events that led them to meet again.
jeddahl 2 years ago
Aledgely Gallifrey is returning in the xmas specials. Love your theory sounds like your mind is tuned to RTD but remember it is SM writing it now so who knows
nioclik 2 years ago
Brilliant! That's a wonderful theory - I like it lots. Fantastic!
Goandmakethetea 2 years ago
the doctor keeps saying the LAST great time war does this mean there has been others
pedro27mumble 2 years ago 2
great speculation
i see the time war as one of the most fantastic plot devices ever
you dont really know if it happened or not
the doctor will never have any reason to go to gallifrey cos its dust ay least to him
and all others in the universe seem to think that timelords are a myth as stated by the shadow proclimation in stolen earth
also even thought capitan jack was a time agent and human
professor yana(the master) spoke of time travel as a myth in utopia
thanks
SGFanFiction 2 years ago
and what about the doctor's daughter - the blonde one?? she came back to life, must be time lord (although didn't regenerate, so maybe sorta a weaker or poss stronger time lord??)...
:)
CeriLouise25 2 years ago
i can't help thinking that the doctor is still in the matrix from the end of trial of a time lord and everything thats happened since has just been illusion including the time war
billyrootes 2 years ago
Just a comment on the paragraph about Susan. If you read the earlier Dr Who book Lungbarrow, it'll explain why she calls him Grandfather. Why would a species that creates their offspring from genetic looms have ANY interest in sex?
xXmatty360Xx 2 years ago
because Lungbarrow isnt canon. not many of the books are :p
kaledmasterme 2 years ago
Gallifrey is returning. FACT!!!!!!!!!!
JAYROX1969 2 years ago
I like this theory.
HBhannahbrown 2 years ago
Great theories. I can't decide if I agree with any of them yet, Although the fact that Susan is still out there I believe.
But true or not, excellent video.
Ansuzie 2 years ago
@Ansuzie sorry about that i accidentally clicked on the vote down button, just ignore it
nerdydev 1 year ago
Here is another twist. The same timelord energy that is used for regeneration is the same energy that keeps Captain Jack from dying. Go figure. What is this regeneration energy anyway. Where does it come from and how can use it to regenerate. As you know the Master refused to regenerate and he died. Therefore, if a timelord reached their 13th life can they use this same energy to live forever? Captain Jack died thousands of times. Therefore a timelord can never die even in a time war.
megaflex2 2 years ago
random thoughts ... the master was sent by time lords to stop the time war ,the master plays with paradox ,the master found a way to stop the war , davros child is saved by the doctor which caused him to go insane , human race is linked to cause extinction of the time lords the doctor will have to choose to be traitor or allow humans to be erased ,rani do experiments on jack ,darlecks replace the judoon as police of the shadow proclamation ,jenny engaged to marry with the master
okuma0kuma 2 years ago
Every time the doctor has meet the daleks they have no idea how the time war ended even Davros never saw the time war end.
So i think the time war is still going on and the time lords are using the doctor some how
pedro27mumble 2 years ago
Oh that just made a theory click into place in my head. Maybe the Time War is still going on (there is definitely A Time War going on, the Doctor vs. creatures that were supposed to have died, crossing all time and space) but maybe the end of the Time War is something the Doctor will do in his personal future and was just somehow there to witness it. Time Lords could still be pulling the strings though. Shrug, it's just a theory.
helado1316 2 years ago
I concur - I think we shall discover some of this in the specials - and I understand that the proposed movie script is all about the Time War.
A Dr Who movie would need GRAND IDEAS!
Excellent!
Wildestarr101 2 years ago
You want crazy? How 'bout this: The Doctor's 13th (last) incarnation goes to where Gallifrey was- dies- the energy release RECREATES the place, back to the beginning and closing the circle. We'll have to wait for either the last episode or Nov 2013 (the 50th anniversary) -- heyyy, I bet that's when this resolves.
SeaScrabbler 2 years ago
What about this: Humans are the prespecies of the timelords(explains their close biological resemblance) somewhere in the future they spread out into the universe, and a couple of geniusses land on gallifrey, eventually they invent timeraveling, and call themselves the timelords, the keep an affinity for their prespecies and biologically engineer their body's for regenerating
charmedfantez 2 years ago
That would actually explain why the Doctor is always so concerned with protecting the humans and the planet earth and is eager to see them go out among the stars.
helado1316 2 years ago
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wouter96 2 years ago
You seem to have missed a Timelord. Do you recall Romanavoratralunder? Short name is Romana. Left behind in E-space.
drwhodrwho 2 years ago
As to hiding, how about a tiny pocket of time just like in the season four finale. Or better yet (and yes this is really mad but what the hell) A debris field exactly where gallifrey used to be and one of the rocks in the field is artifical, dimensionally transcendental and Gallifrey is actually INSIDE it! How's that for lunatic theories!!!!
oheretic 2 years ago
Superb! I came up with the same theory! Or near enough - only difference being that the Doctor is NOT a willing participant in the deception. I think the Time lords convinced him they were destroyed. Think about it - They want the universe to think they've been anhiliated. In order to do that, who is the one person they would need to convince? Exactly the kind of thing the duplicitous, devious old reptiles would do!
oheretic 2 years ago
I'm inclined to go with your theory to a certain point b/c I remember in the Classic series how much the Doctor resisted Timelord society and how much the Timlords would interfere with his life. I am wondering if RTD is going to write the 2009 specials so that by the end the Timelords and Gallifrey will have returned somehow so Moffet truly has a clean slate.
CS1723 2 years ago
heyyy... the doctor says the war is TIME LOCKED, right... this fits with your theory!!!
perhaps the timelords have done that on purpose to stop the doctor meddling and spoiling their new found peace!
kaledmasterme 2 years ago
ok. here we go. The one in van statten vaults didn't know the out come because he fell through a hole in time (I think or it might have just been falling through space or something ill watch the episode again) and fell to earth and stayed there until the doctor came, the cult of skaro would never have known because they were in the void and the master was human, none of those are sources for the time war so how are they evidence? THOUGH I REALLY LIKE THE MEMORY WIPING INPRISONING BIT! NICE WORK
djorcks95 2 years ago
oh and because of the end of your video "YOUR NUTS" LoL.
djorcks95 2 years ago
Like it, plausable, devious. and just like the time lords.
but on another point. we now got Cybus men from another dimention(dont like them anyway), trolling around our universe. The real Cybermen ,(those that have survived)when they find out are gona be mighty pissed off
ManicMalcolm 2 years ago
WOW!!! Talk about food for thought.
If you're not right I hope they at least figure out a way to bring back the Timelords.
Very good, Sherlock. Bravo!
TomatoeAssassin 2 years ago
very good theroy.but you haven't explained about the dalek emperor what was the inferno the doctor caused like he said
Emsa0907 2 years ago
could have been ANY battle, not the end. the doc could have tried to wipe out the daleks, but some escaped and regrouped?? that way the time war continues while the emperor vanishes, and as the video says, the rest were imprisoned! no witnesses other than the dr!
kaledmasterme 2 years ago
I did watch the video if you remember I posted a bunch of other reasons ages ago look me up on "view all comments"
Master716 2 years ago
If the time war is a sham how do you explain the presence of Davros?
Master716 2 years ago
Do me a favor and watch the video before commenting, please. I never said the Time War didn't happen, I only say it didn't end the way that it has been presented. The title is meant to be catchy and inspire WATCHING.
sailorsenmurv 2 years ago
Good theory! Interesting ideas and good support with the info that's in the series!
Of course there's a snowball chance in hell that ANY of it will be used by Davies or Mofatt.
The real point of the Time War was to make the Doctor a true wanderer without a home or anyone he can truly relate to ('the lonely little boy' reference from The Girl In The Fireplace).
draco2552 2 years ago
Thats too right, they can't all be dead if the Daleks survived. Anyways whats to stop Timelords from the past time traveling into the future.
SuperRichi1A 2 years ago
brilliant absolutely brilliant love it
well done
ethandavid1955 2 years ago
When you think about it there are so many timelords that very probably weren't in the time war. Romana (when she left) seemed to never want to go back to Gallifrey again. The Rani would never go back. Who knows where Drax went? And what about the Time Meddler? He's probaby still stuck in his Tardis, But NONE of these people are dead.
babalubro3 2 years ago
According to Russel Romana was President of the Timelords during the Time War. (WTF?)
The Rani is probably gonna come back some time.
And Rassilon is immortal.
SuperRichi1A 2 years ago
On another note, consider the possibility that Humans are a descendant species of the Time Lords, there are no Time Lords left, yet who resembles them so closely biologically? Humans! Not to mention a Time Lord can alter his DNA to become human. It all seems to fit just a little too well. Because when you watch through the new Series' Humans have always been the species that have fought so hard and defeated the Daleks. bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbba
yoshi88mario 2 years ago
to be honest you theory makes sense and i congratulate you on your smart thinking,we will have to see what the future holds. who knows what will happen???????
wandgfan21 2 years ago
Damn this 500 character limit, you should read my posts in reverse order if you want them to make any sense...or maybe you don't...either way I think the points raised are all quite valid!
Gameraddict22 2 years ago
The time war HASN'T ended at all.
The whole theory of the Time War is that it was fought between the Time Lords and the Daleks. And "apparently" ending when The Doctor burned the Daleks, Time Lords and Gallifrey all at once. However, if this were true. Neither Time Lords nor Daleks would ever exist again.
And when you look at the evidence from the new series' (post 2005) its clear that the Time War is still waging. The Doctor and Daleks are still fighting each other throughout time.
Gameraddict22 2 years ago
And consider what Davros says in Stolen Earth/Journey's End. He refers to The Doctor as a 'Child of Gallifrey' and yet ALL Daleks refer to Humans as 'Children of Time', which when you think about it. Would prove that Humanity is the ultimate species, and even IF the Time Lords were destroyed during "The Last Great Time War", then hasn't Mankind taken their place?
Gameraddict22 2 years ago
On another note, consider the possibility that Humans are a descendant species of the Time Lords, there are no Time Lords left, yet who resembles them so closely biologically? Humans! Not to mention a Time Lord can alter his DNA to become human. It all seems to fit just a little too well. Because when you watch through the new Series' Humans have always been the species that have fought so hard and defeated the Daleks.
Gameraddict22 2 years ago
This is a really good theory. It all makes sense, except the "why couldn't they go back and change stuff" was discredited in Journey's End. There was supposedly a "Time Lock" on the Time War.
But, for this video being made BEFORE Journey's End was even filmed, it is very good and makes a lot of sense.
Good for you! :)
Soreye 2 years ago
Interesting theory.
Apfelgras 2 years ago
You are nuts. There are a few time lords scattered here and there, but most of them are GONE. The doctor BLEW UP HIS PLANET! My sister watched a video that said so! I know this is kind of off-topic, but I'm a time lord. One day during P.E., my heart rate moniter was going haywire, and I felt my heart to see if my heart was really beating that fast, and it wasn't. So I felt on the other side and I felt a second heart beat! You may think I'm nuts, but it's true.
iminlovewithkoichi 2 years ago
I thought this was just a THEORY. Like, for a FICTIONAL TELEVISION SHOW.
Your sister saw a video that said so? Will this video says differently, does that make it true, too? I mean, it IS a video...
Please go to the nearest psychiatrist and tell them you are a Time Lord, they can help you contact the Doctor, becuase really, Doctor Who is not real. Time Lords do not exist. Doctor Who is a television show.
Soreye 2 years ago
They couldn't go back in time and stop things from happening because the war was time locked. That means when it's over, it's OVER at all points in history. How that dalek emporer went back in time and saved that guy who made daleks from cells of his own body, I don't know...
iminlovewithkoichi 2 years ago
How the fuck can you lock time? Didnt Dalek Caan get back in to the time war to rescue Davros?
JAYROX1969 2 years ago
Interesting analysis. Don't think some of your arguments are strong, though. Susan for example... the way Time Lords perceive and exist in time is different than us... so Susan in the 22nd century does not mean Susan did not return to Gallifrey... because she could move 'back' (from our perspective) to go home.
It's the time lords' own personal timeline where they experience time.
Elmtree01 2 years ago
I love your thoughtful analysis, and the music which you chose to pair it with. Remember, time isn't nice and simply linear; it's this big ball of sort of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey ... stuff!
And will we /ever/ know the truth?
BritMiss 2 years ago
YOUR A FUCKING GENIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Russel T Davis practically ruined doctor who i mean thanks for bringing it back but i'm glad he's fucked off now i mean the rate he was killing the doctor's lives he wouldn't make 2015 and if you don't know what i'm talking about the doctor can only regenerate 13 times and then the timelord is DEAD! since David Tennant is regenerating this year and Matt Smith is taking over the Doctor can only regenerate 2 more times before Dead! then what was Russel gonna do!
bladenman54 2 years ago
All I Can Say Brother is WOW, Your Good...Your Damn Good.
Well Done.
But Remember, Time Travel is Weird...
Can't Do This, or That Might Happen,
if You do Do That, This Will Happen.
Also...Time Locks...What The Hell??
Time Lock, How do You Lock Time
For a Master of Time...Hello??
Anyway...Your Good and I For One Loved it
IndianaWraith 2 years ago
listen i love doctor who and i dont know fancy words i just like the programme,its good fun but come on its a story. everyone knows the doctor who story and the time war, and if people are truly doctor who fans you will believe that the time war happend and that it is no sham.
wwerulz001 2 years ago