I am a Palestinian Christian and I believe Arab Jews and Palestinians both suffering same problem. But I don't see Arab Jews fighting back for their right of return in the Arab countries. Palestinians on other hand always fighting for their right of return.
I disagree, the exodus of Moroccan Jews was quite different than by Middle Eastern Jews. The Richest moroccan jews immigrated to Canada and France while the poorest went to Israel. The reason for that wasn't because they were hunted or antisemitism but economic reasons , even muslims in the 60's immigrated. Moroccan jews always come back to Morocco each year to celebrate Hilula and saints such as Maimonides while Iraqi jews left because of antisemitism. Jews are always welcome in Morocco!
This video is a joke! You put on here, the naqba of "Arabic Jews" when you know that most of these "Jews" you refer to embraced Islam. They were not killed and thrown in holes like what the "Zionist Jews" did to the Palestinian Muslims. This is the true "Nakba" If you go to Phillistine today, you find them acknowledging "An Nakba Day" This is in response to the killing and ethnically cleansing of muslims in 1948.
Nonsense. But you all will never admit the secret killings and incitement that the Zionists committed against Arabic Jewry. The tactics used to frighten them to leave, and the attacks on Arabs to be blamed on Jews, to turn them against them...Disgusting. Jews and Arabs are brothers, especially those of the Arab world. Arab lands are theirs as much as it is ours, so long as their is peace. No space for hater European trouble makers, they ar bastards, no father, no tribe, no heritage.
Arab countries may have fought side by side and protected Jews a few times after they paid their jizya but it doesn't take away the fact that so many Jews have been killed by. Hundreds of thousands just slaughtered in Morocco since the 15th century, synagogues destroyed, so dont give me the nonsense that Arabs have on many occassions protected Jews. Jews have always been a 2nd and 3rd class citizen under Arab rule, dont deny the facts to hide your dark past that you cant admit to
@ballsoffury4 Before you mention a thing like "paying jizya" you might want to look into it first :) All citizens pay taxes, the taxes for non-muslims were higher but it exempted them from military duty and paid for the maintenance of their places of worship and the like.
The slaughtered jews you speak about, were slaughtered in spain during the equisition and FLED TO MOROCCO where they proved to be great merchants.
Ask a moroccan jew, wherever you may find him, what he thinks about morocco :)
My grandfather [Polish Jew] was always treated with dignity and respect in 1948 Algeria and Morocco. When Jews were killing and stealing from Arabs in 1948 Palestine, my grandpa was outraged to now see Jews treat Arabs like Nazi's treated Jews.
Dignity and Justice for Palestine today and always !
We are native to the land that we were trash in. Those are our countries, how are we dhimmis in our own country? At the time of the crusades, yes, everyone was trash to the crusaders and Jews even more so. Just because Europe was hostile at that specific time does it make it ok to make Jews dhimmis in their own lands? And then expel us from our own land? Your justification is retarded get over yourself
@ballsoffury4 in my previous post i pointed out that jews were treated better in Muslim lands than in European lands, i was the one who mentioned that they were treated like trash there, wich is undeniable.
All nations in the world were and are the home countries of MANY peoples. Take israel for example: How many tribes of peoples called it home?
Way before the crusades and way after them the jews were considered as trash in europe, so i refute that statement :)
@Soulspire From my reading Jews in Moslem lands were not treated worse than Jews in christian lands when things were bad and no better than Jews in Christian lands when things were good, in other words it was moore avarage
@AbuAvital Then let us go deeper into your readings.
What do you consider "when things were bad" and "when things were good" Because as far as i know, things for jews were pretty bad from ancient times on to well into the 18th century when things started to improve (let's ignore nazi germany).
All in all, jews were treated well in muslim lands. "all in all" because indeed there were exceptions to that, not every ruler we had was a wise/good one.
@ballsoffury4 making jews Dhimmis in their own lands? "jew" is not a nationality. It refers to the faith of Judaism. Any jew or christian living in the Dar al Islam back in those days was Dhimmi, regardless of his background and birthplace. Does this mean that they were second class citizens?
NO. it means they were "non muslim" citizens :) Different, but still part of society (mostly they dealt in commerce)
@Soulspire don't play semantics, dhimmi staus came with many restictions so they did not have equaLl rights. The time has come to put moslems in there place should they chose to reamin in Europe. No mosque can be higher than a church, no moslem can drive a car fancier than a true European, moslems must pay extra taxes.
@AbuAvital Dhimmi status came with restrictions and advantages, just like muslim status. They did not have the all the SAME rights, they had DIFFERENT rights :) Wether they are equal or not, is a subjective discussion. Look up the punishment for a muslim who harms a dhimmi citizen. (in sharia law).
I have refuted the tax lie on here i think, shall i do it again for you?
Also, jews in muslim lands were mostly tradesmen, so alot of them were richer than aloooot of the muslims :) Don't lie :)
@AbuAvital Indeed. I admitted that the musilm state adapted itsself to the religion of it's citizens in order to best serve the needs of all.
Dhimmi did not need to pay Zakah, did not pay regular taxes and they were exempt from military service. In return, they payed Jizya (the taxes for non muslims) wich had different rates depending on the wealth of the person being taxed. Furthermore, the tax for a dhimmi was lower than the tax for a muslim OF THE SAME POSITION IN SOCIETY.
"Abd al-Mumin ... the leader of the Almohads after the death of Muhammad Ibn Tumart the Mahdi ... captured Tlemcen and killed all Jews, except those who embraced Islam. ... [In Sijilmasa] 150 persons were killed for clinging to their [Jewish] faith. One hundred thousand persons were killed in Fez on that occasion, and 120,000 in Marrakesh.
@Soulspire part 2 The Jews in all localities ... groaned under the heavy yoke of the Almohads; many had been killed, many others converted; none were able to appear in public as Jews
"The Jews possess neither lands nor gardens, nor can they enjoy their fruits in tranquillity. They must wear only black, and are obliged when they pass near mosques, or through streets in which there are sanctuaries, to walk barefoot. The lowest among the Moors imagines he has a right to ill-treat a Jew, nor dares the latter defend himself, because the Koran and the judge are always in favor of the Mohammedan. "
. Finally the Jews were ordered to pay 100,000 piasters and three shiploads of gunpowder; and most of them were arrested and beaten daily until the payment was made. Many fled beforehand to Gibraltar or other places; some died as martyrs; and some accepted Islam"
This was the personal acount of famoues French traveler Chénier, from Morocco in 19th century.
In 1790 In Mogador, Jews were ordered to pay 100,000 piasters and three shiploads of gunpowder; and most of them were arrested and beaten daily until the payment was made. Many fled beforehand to Gibraltar or other places; some died as martyrs; and some accepted Islam,
Jews have to pay Yizya to Muslims in order not to be slaughterd,not a single synagogue during history was maintained by Islam.Even the yellow badge was invented by Muslims for the Jews.
There were hundreds of pogroms of Jews all over Islamic world during centuries,In last 200 years the major massacres of Jews organized by Islamic leaders happened in Aleppo (1850, 1875), Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jerusalem (1847), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07), Port Said (1903, 1908), Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891), Istanbul (1870, 1874),
Byond this Islamic organized massacres of Jews in just last 200 years occured in , Buyukdere (1864), Kuzguncuk (1866), Eyub (1868), Edirne (1872), Izmir (1872, 1874).[82] There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828 There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.
@AbuAvital Since many jewish people were business men (traders, shopkeepers etc,...), those with a high income would be obliged to pay higher taxes than their poorer compatriots (regardless of their faith.)
Furthermore, islamic law forbids jewish districts in cities. In stead it dictates that muslims and non muslims should live side by side. Non muslims are allowed to drink, while muslims will be punished for it.
This, and many other things, say that INDEED, they were not treated "equally" :)
@AbuAvital HELL YES! I wouldn't have to pay the taxes other Europeans do, and it would mean that the government has to take care of our Mosques (wich we now have to do ourselves).
Btw, you do realise that Europe is not a country, and that European laws, customes and cultures are different in each of the memberstates?
About half of what a belgian earns goes to the state as tax EVEN BEFORE HE IS PAID.
@Soulspire No I am sugesting that as a Moslem how would you feel paying ALL the regular taxes plus another just for being a Moslem? Forget about the state looking after your mosques if you want those you should have to pay for them out of your own pocket.
I shall repeat for the third time: Where did the majority of spanish jews go during and after the reconquista, by whom were they driven out and by wich people of wich faith were they welcomed?
Not all muslims are good, just like not all jews and christians are good.
Both jew and muslim committed crimes against each other.
The enemy of the muslim is the Kafir and the Zionist :) not the christian and the jew, nor the muslims of another "sect".
This is not an issue of propaganda nor should it be. The fact of the matter is that Mizrahi and Maghrebi Jews suffer disproportionately from poverty in Israel to this day. Some communities are still just trying to rebuild themselves and the Israeli government isn't doing enough to alleviate the situation, nor can it given the amount of resources that have to be dedicated to just making sure it doesn't get wiped off the map.
@TheCollegeRabbi I'm a Mizrahi Jew too living in US. I know that Mizrahi Jews suffer more poverty than ashkanazi Jews. First I could not believe it. There is racism still against the indigenous Jews. I keep hearing that we all are ONE. But why the difference between the two. Until 1990, 70% of Israeli Jews were Mizrahi. Even today Mizrahi are 50-55% (excluding those of mixed marriages). But still, Mizrahi are rarely seen in politics and other high level positions.
What about the far larger many more 30-60 Massacres of Palestinian Arabs both by the early IDF and newly arrived Aggresive well armed 'settlers' European Immigrants who stole dozens of Villages? This led to the mass exodus leading to around 2Million Arab Refugees who had their Farmlands Houses Business stolen by Jews?.
@AbuAvital Okay.. Arabs killed 6000 Americans on 09/11. And you're right, it got "reported".
Lets forget the us bombings on China, korea, guatemala, indonesia, cuba, belgian congo, the dominican republic, peru, laos, vietnam, cambodia, lebanon, grenada, libya, el salvador, nicaragua, iran, panama, kuwait, somalia, croatia, bosnia, sudan, afghanistan and yugoslavia for a moment.
In iraq alone you have killed 800 000 iraqi's :) to be fair, we shoudl repeat 09/11 over a 100 times.
- I condemn the persecution of Arab Jews. It was wrong and bad. It was also very shortsighted.
- It is known, as numerous sources state, that the policy of the Israeli government is to try and trade recognition of Palestinian rights for those of Arab Jews, in a bid to evade and avoid responsibility for your own deeds. Arab Jews, having been looked down upon by Western Jews, are now being used as a bargaining chip.
Now please ban and delete my comments for telling the truth.
The mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries constitutes a shameful episode in our history. It is something of which educated and responsible Arabs are not proud.
But to call it a "Nakba" and to compare it to what happened to the Palestinians is an insult to the stolen generations of Palestinians who stolen by you people. It is also an insult to those same Mizrahim and Sephardim.
It simply being used as a pretext to evade responsibility for your own criminal actions.
- Morocco still has a considerable Jewish community
- Tunisia and Egypt still have some, and their Jewish heritage is being renovated
- Bahrain has a community, and their ambassador in DC is a Jewish lady
- Yemen has a small community, fairly well tolerated
- Lebanon's Jewish community is now seeing a revival with the renovation of their synagogue in Beirut, and other impending renovations around the country. All for the return of the Lebanese Jews. It is long overdue
@ameroffsky if the Israelis chose virtually to ignore the propaganda benefits to be gained from exploitation of their refugees, the Arabs predicted otherwise. Perhaps because of the Arab world's own political use of its refugees, some Arabs have anticipated with apprehension the Israelis' eventual use of what the Arabs see as a strong claim for Israel and its resettled Jewish refugees from Arab countries.
Very well then, let there be a trade off: Palestinians for Arab Jews.
A voluntary population exchange, not that many will want to come back from either side, and whoever does not want to come back receives compensation for his/her property, at TODAY's market prices.
The homes and lands of the Palestinian gentry and peasants have gone sky high in value, since you people are so entrepreneurial. :)
Israel's claims are these: It may perhaps be the case that we Israelis were the cause of the expulsion of some Palestinians, whose number is estimated at 700,000, from their homes during the 1948 War, and afterwards took over their properties. Against this, since 1948, you Arabs have caused the expulsion of party must bear the consequences
@ameroffsky Israel is absorbing the Jews of Arab States; the Arab States, for their part, must settle the Palestinians in their own midst and solve their problems. There is no doubt that, at the first serious discussion of the Palestinian problem in an international forum, Israel will put these claims forward."
- Sabri Jiryis, a well known Palestinian Arab researcher in the Institute for Palestinian Studies in Beirut, published in Al-Nahar, Beirut, on May 15, 1975
"And G-d shall scatter you among all the peoples from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth…" (Deuteronomy 28:64)
"And G-d shall return your captivity and be merciful to you, and will return and gather you from all the nations whither G-d has scattered you." (Deuteronomy 30:3)
Why don't you quote those Torah verses all over YouTube....Ricky-boy?
the Jews and Arabs live together in peace Arab-Jewish enmity did start in 1948 dark point in Zionist history I Do remember when I was Young Well somali Jewish family "YIBIR" highly respected nearby in our neighborhood in mogadishu
@taano71 You know nothing. Jews were mistreated for centuries. They were called as Dimmi in arabic which meant insignificant.. Jews were taxed high, synagogues were not allowed to be built higher, no new property purchase etc. There were pogroms in N Africa in early 1900s well before 1948. If the Zionists settled in Israel, why did the arabs force 1.3 million Jews out. These Jews did not do anything wrong. It was all about muslim hatred and fake honor.
so lets turn back the clock to 5000 years ago and call it even ! Whatever happened in the meantime just does not count. I guess my kid's history teacher is right when she said why teaching history to those grade 3 since they cannot remember what happened 5 years ago. Maybe she had a point and I completely missed it. Go figure !
i am jewish algerian and i can tell you that the israelies are the ones who offered money to jews living elsewhere to go to israel so they can overpopulate the palestinians and become majority.
they were not chased from any arab country,
they havent chased me and they know i am jewish and i am against apartheid israel
@bazukaboom the point is that israel is willing to absorb jews from arab countries but arab countries are not willing to absorb the palestinians. The arab Israeli conflict is not about land, its about the Islamic countries intolerance for another country that does not bow down to islam.
a study done ten years ago demonstrated that the Y chromosome DNA of jewish men is the same regardless of what kind of jew and similar to other middle eastern populations, not europeans
@bazukaboom Jews are one people. Ashkenazim are just Mizrahim who migrated northward. We belong to each other and to the Land of Israel. However, the Occupation is wrong and puts us in danger. I am for two states and peace. When there is true peace, boundaries will mean very little. Salaam, shalom.
@jumpinjoelblue I will love to see a 2 state solution and then let the arabs sink into their own mire. I disagree with you that there will be peace. It is not about land; it's about a deep hatred that arabs have for Jews. They will only be happy when Israel is destroyed. Besides, the whole region is in reality Jewish land and whenever the Jews give away land they get bombs in return.
@bazukaboom based on yur page u prolly arent Jewish there are i think 30 Algerian Jews in Algeria probobly closer to 0, and there are 250 000 in Israel and 300 000 in France sooooooooooooooo
@bazukaboom A Jew is defined by Jewish law, not ethnicity. There are no "fake" Jews. By definition, you are Jewish if born to a Jewish mother, or if you convert. So, the most blond blue eyed Ashkenazi is as much a Jew as a Mizrahi whose family never left Israel even if that Ashkenazi has ZERO Middle Eastern DNA.
@unoraza: that's absurd, of course jesus was jewish. he preached nothing but judaism. the last supper was a passover seder. people turned him into a god, which is anti-jewish, after he died. but in his life he was nothing but jewish. that's the reality.
It is time for all Christians and Jews to come together and stand up to the real Shatan. I do support Israel as a Christian, and so many of my friends who are Christian. IF the Western world most of whom have lost their religion are only interested in fun and games today, they will have an enormous price to pay soon, when the Muslims will take over .
there is no such thing is an "Arabic Jew" we are Jews who lived in Arab/Muslim lands, the proper name is called Mizrahim Jews, which means Eastern Jews. i ' am an Israeli my moms family is from Lebanon and my dads Iraq
@y2kabilov You are right. The right term is Mizrahi Jew. "Arab Jew" is an insult to all mizrahi jews. I have sent a message to the person who posted the video and hopefully the title will be changed soon.
@mmt2k9 IN THE DAYS OF MOSES THERE WERE NO ASHAKANAZI OR OTHER JEWS. THEY WERE ALL MIZRAHI (EASTERN) JEWS. ALL OF THEM WERE FROM MIDDLE EAST. SO YOUR SENTENCE SHOULD BE REFRAMED AS JUST "JEWS" RATHER THAN "MIZRAHI JEWS"
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The Semetic peoples are the enemy of Europeans weather Muslim or Jewish they both have one thing in common they are Semites and both wish to destroy the European and Christian world.
You mean like Jews are, by definition, anti-Christian?
One thing that's always perplexed me is how Muslims, spiritually speaking, are far closer to Christians than Jews. Christ was no more Jewish than my pet rock as he tore into everything they represent.
Yet the PTB would like us to think the opposite is true as we're used to fight their wars.
@davery1234-Although they are both semetic peoples, the muslims are never described as such. I don't know where you get your information, but it is only the islamic world which wants to destroy western civilization. The Jews ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTED to European and western civilization. Why don't you do a little research and get over your prejudice?
@davery1234 You're talking out your butt. First, the term semitic is a linguistic term and there are MANY different semitic speaking culture. Plus many languages make up the semitic linguistic group. Jews do not want anyone destroyed; you don't see them marching in London threatening to kill all infidels. Remember, both Jews and Xtians are infidels to muslims.
5-i think if you really have such a strong love for isreal, move there. no one is stopping you from completing your destiny, are they? that is one of the reason many viewed isreals occupation as a land grab..all countries are fucked up in one way or another bud.. america included.. so why can't we criticize every other country other than isreal ?
thats the real point. you cant have it both ways..bottom line.
lastly ravdov. your points about what i belive in on so off track. it is laughable.. but you are so stuck on "jew" this and "jew" that that you can not see the forest for the trees.
1- i dont belive in the "ZOG" theory
2- i belive the holocaust was as much to solve the "jewish" problem along with a polish land grab..
3-in the camps12 mill died, not just 6 mill jews
4- i am not a christian or a jew or a muslim, hence why religious arugments have no bearing for me.
So here's the deal, jidfnazi-boy: Until all these Arab dictatorships begin to compensate the nearly one million Jews they forcibly kicked out of their respective countries, your "right of return for 5 million of your brethren" demand can go take a flying f*ck.
If Israel's critics like you lot are truly opposed to anti-Semitism, why do you repeat traditional anti-Semitic themes. When such themes - the Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, linking Jews with money and media, the hooked-nose stingy Jew, the blood libel, or disparaging use of Jewish symbols - are used to describe Israel's actions, You're going to hear from me. Is it really necessary to evoke the "Jewish conspiracy" or depict Israelis as Christ-killers to denounce Israeli policies?
i have a open question for all parties invloved here : brace yourself please...
i constantly see references to religious scriptures...as to why "god" decided what was to be happening in isreal.. so my question is this.. that argument may work for those that are "people of the book" but what kind of water do you thinks it hold for those that do not follow your beliefs ?
Here's another question, slickrick - do you deny this event happened? Do you deny that nearly a million of my people were forced out of Arab countries? At gunpoint? Lost their land, homes, life savings? Any action Israel takes to defend itself pales in comparison, wouldn't you say?
people's across the world have suffered persecution, deportation, genocide... yet only one justify's its cruel treatment of another people through their past suffering.
"...yet only one justify's its cruel treatment of another people through their past suffering..."
Careful...your anti-Semitism is showing.
I can point you to several incidents throughout the history of modern warfare where societies have acted out of pure revenge for wrongs heaped against them. For you to inflate the "Palestinians" plight to the level of those seems a bit ingenous, to say the least. Need examples? I have several. Pre-Middle Age Germanic tribes come to mind....?
@ravdov571 i dont think that quote was anit-semetic whatsoever there ravdov.. jsut a simple fact.. doesnt make it right or wrong does it ? after all we study history in order not to repeat the past, correct? so why should one people be immune from that? ( yes that works both ways)
but to label everything you disagree with, conceptually or otherwise as anti-semetic is a indication of another kind of issue,, same type of issue that plauged nazi germany, as too who was deemed " aryan" or not..
Despite piqued disclaimers, some of Israel's critics use anti-Semitic stereotypes. In fact, their disclaimers frequently offer a mask of respectability to otherwise socially unacceptable anti-semitism. Many equate Israel to Nazism, claiming that "yesterday's victims are today's perpetrators": last year, Louis de Bernières wrote in the Independent that "Israel has been adopting tactics which are reminiscent of the Nazis". This equation between victims and murderers denies the Holocaust.
Worse still, it provides its retroactive justification: if Jews turned out to be so evil, perhaps they deserved what they got. Others speak of Zionist conspiracies to dominate the media, manipulate American foreign policy, rule the world and oppress the Arabs. By describing Israel as the root of all evil, they provide the linguistic mandate and the moral justification to destroy it. And by using anti-Semitic instruments to achieve this goal, they give away their true anti-Semitic face.
The fact that you dismiss accusations of anti-Semitism, even when you put anti-Semitic imagery at work, is a subterfuge. Israel deserves to be judged by the same standards adopted for others, not by the standards of utopia. Singling out Israel for an impossibly high standard not applied to any other country begs the question: why such different treatment?
Care to explain, Mr. "JIDFNazi"? Why are you here trolling anyway? Who cares what you think? We've got Israel - deal with it. "Wahhhhhh"!!!
@ravdov571 everything to you is anti-semetic, including a picture of santa claus.. lmfao- that is your " anti-semetic imigary" cuz your not christian.. truly ravdov you are a jewish supremist..and tho you are about 10 years older than me. over all you only act about 10 years old.. you have not once discussed anything, you can not carry dialoges what so ever.. typical of the culturaly and ethnicly inclined..that is why i often view you ( personally) with contempt..
About if you called me a nazi... it was about the tone of zionists in general. for example someone states the fact that israel supported hamas to have an oppositon to fatah and coas21 goes on: ''...Israel supported Hamas... well, now you show typical anti Semite claim... Israel never supported Hamas, Israel allowed the Hamas to operate as a religion and social aid organization, up to when it reviled his Nazi agenda...''
basically: If you are pro israel... you are a poor martyr defending your home land. If you are defending palestine... you are a nazi. That is what i was stating. I applaud you for refraining to call me a nazi. but you did run pretty fast to the torah to tell me god was gonna strike me down... Im sorry for not only having human empathy for jews but also for palestinians
So you are saying that the expulsion of Jews from Arab countries is much, much worse than the expulsion of Palestinians from Palestine? It's not possible to argue that one party should be compensated in some way whilst denying the same right to the other party without being a hypocrite.
Also, you can't relate Israel's "defensive actions" (as you term them) to that single event because, simply put, they aren't at all related to that event.
Yep...that's what I'm saying. Jews in Arab nations were forced out at gunpoint. Arabs in Palestine were forced out by the threat of war and by the Arab leaders. Most Jews begged them to stay and help fight off the Jordanians and Syrians. That's a fact, son.
You know shakey/slicky/slimey/whoever....you don't like how history turned out - who cares? Take it up with the historians. I know a few at the AHS, and they would would be more than happy to enlighten you on Middle East history!
But knowing you, you'd rather bloviate your ignorance on YouTube in the usual pathethic fashion! Who knows? You might collect a few dozen more disciples in your YT echo chamber. The rest of the world doesn't really give a sh*t!
@ravdov571 i jsut finished reading your aurgument and you made some good points as well as shakeysteven.. seems to me that if people are more willing to have dialoges rather than run around and insult eachother.. maybe something can get done.. i did not notice any religious arguments from you ( from what i saw) intersting,
My post below is a statement of fact, so "debating" it is useless, just like most topics on the internet. I don't care about your opinion, I don't want to engage you in any sort of debate, because you're not interested in the truth. You're a propagandist, and not welcome here. Go post on a jihadist channel.
whatever koran you stated to be anti semitic, you brought it up not me.
but you showed your small mindedness right here: ''..., I don't want to engage you in any sort of debate,...'' and proved my point. stay in your ideological bubble
I didn't bring up the Koran - you did. Who cares? And what's it got to do with the video above? Jerusalem isn't mentioned once in the Koran. Why did you bring it up? R U Muslim?
I just mentuoned there were two different one, that's all. Most Muslim scholars will agree with me. The later one was harsher in it's tone towards non-Muslims....fact.
''You can't run from Ha'Shem. No place to run - no place to hide - remember that. ''
exactly my point... i criticize israeli foreign policy, i get called an anti-semite and apparently now god will come to get me? like i said, debate, discussion, reasoning is impossible with zionists
did i wish your death? did i wish the death of israel? did i say jews should not have their homeland? NO. But apparently no matter, even mentioning that israel is harsh towards palestinians= I am a nazi
I seriously try to have rational discussions with zionists... then they call me a nazi, fascist, anti-semite, and block me from responding. Open yourself to debate with people that want to talk, or all that will be left will be debate with people with guns. I have never seen such censorship anywhere on youtube. It is quite sad
1 of 2: The SILENCE is deafening, indeed! Very sobering! STATUS OF CIVILIZATIONS AND NATIONS THAT TRIED TO DESTROY THE JEWISH PEOPLE: ANCIENT EGYPTIANS: GONE PHILISTINES: GONE ASSYRIANS: GONE BABYLONIANS: GONE PERSIANS: GONE GREEKS: GONE ROMANS: GONE BYZANTINES: GONE CRUSADES: GONE
I think this insistence on anti-semitism being inherent in Islam has nothing to do with the historical truth of the matter (which says otherwise) but is mainly a political tool to make it appear that opposition to Israel in the Muslim world is an irrational outgrowth of bigotry rather than having anything to do with Israel's ethnic cleansing policies and other abuses. Would I be right in saying that?
How have you proved that Islam has been antisemitic since its inception? My point is based on what I've read, which comes from historians, whose points do have a factual basis. I didn't say Europe is responsible, I said ideas relating to antisemitism were imported from Europe, ideas which weren't popular in the Muslim world previously. Your opinion is warped by your ideological inclinations I fear. I cannot help you.
"And thou wilt find them [the Jews] the greediest of mankind"
Surah 11, v. 96, ibid
Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews.... And of their taking usury ... and of their devouring people's wealth by false pretenses. We have prepared for those of them who disbelieve a painful doom. Surah IV, v. 160, 161, ibid.
Allah hath cursed them [the Jews] for their disbelief. Surah IV, v. 46, ibid.
And thou seest [Jews and Christians] vying one with another in sin and transgression and their devouring of illicit gain. Verily evil is what they do. Why do not the rabbis and the priests forbid their evilspeaking and their devouring of illicit gain? .... evil is their handiwork.
Surah V, v. 62, 63, ibid.
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends.
Surah V, v. 51, ibid.
Many many more...
You need to read some more from professional historians...
Christianity existed when Islam was founded & from that point onwards they have existed simultaneously, just as they do today. What do you mean 'try again'? Everything I've stated is fact & based on historical sources. It doesn't change just because you remain unconvinced.
Is anti-Arab racism & anti-Muslim bigotry integral to Zionism? The record, historic & current, would say that it is. Is Zionism therefore a racist ideology?
You referred to the 'situation with the Arabs'. I assumed you meant historically, so I was talking from that perspective. Islam & Christianity have existed simultaneously for a good while now & the aspects that came to define antisemitism as it developed in Europe were not mirrored in Islam until Israel was founded. I didn't 'blame' it, I explained it.
I am referring solely to the idea promoted today that the Islamic world was akin to the Christian world in regard to its attitude to the Jews. Evidently, it was not. I did not say they lived in eternal harmony. As antisemitism is a European phenomenon that has since spread to the Islamic world it has to be a 'relativist' argument. Were the myths and attitudes that defined European antisemitism present simultaneously in the Muslim world historically? No. Therefore, it was not endemic.
Underpinning this modern deceit that the Muslim world was always a hotbed of antisemitism is the obvious comparison with Europe, so its inescapable that it will be judged relatively. According to my sources (Norman Cantor), antisemitism today in the Muslim world, far from being 'symbiotic', was an importation from Europe in response to the founding of Israel.
I'm talking about a period of thousands of years, you're talking about a single event. There's no need to get upset. Taking two common examples that are used today to give the impression that Muslims have always been antisemitic does not constitute "institutionalised antisemitism". Muslim attitudes to Jews historically were different to those of Christians. FACT.
It's 'proposition', by the way. A preposition is 'a word used with a noun or pronoun to show place, position, time, or method'.
To say it was 'all roses' with the Arabs is obviously inaccurate. Having said that, I've never heard anyone say it was 'all roses'. But what's even more inaccurate and prevalent is this idea that the experience of Jews in the Middle East was akin to the persecutions in Europe. The Muslim world simply did not have the same institutionalised antisemitism that Europe did. However, it's not politically expedient from a Zionist perspective to admit this today.
Look for Andrew G. Bostom research on that, you'll see the number of pogroms performed by Arabs and Muslims, the sum of Jewish casualties is not far from the European Jewish casualties.
For instance, 200,000 Jews were murdered in Morocco at the 12th century...
Can you tell me the figures yourself? I find that hard to believe as the Muslim world didnt have institutionalized antisemitism, unlike Europe. I've never heard of this "Andrew G. Bostom" but there is a trend whereby people will pretend to be academics and write politically-motivated falsehoods so that these deceits will appear to have legitimacy and can be quoted as "facts". Check out Samuel Huntington or anything by Derschowitz for an example of this sort of rubbish.
The figures can't be as accurate as in the holocaust, it's a collections of events during 2000 years. The documentations are based on various sources, intra Jewish, Christians, Muslims and other. Estimated by 4 millions.
The big question is - why is the UN refugee denotation was change specifically for the Arabs in Israel? Usually a 20 years of residency is require, with the Arabs it was lowered to 2 years.
Surely if this was true we would hear about it more given the current political situation? Most of these videos that try to interpolate the condition of Jews in Europe onto the Muslim world (which is less known about - despite your claim that it was just as bad) always use the example of their expulsions after the foundation of Israel. Also, why then did Zionism emerge in Europe rather than the Middle East? So, 4 million in 2000 years (as opposed to 6m in 5 years). Where did you get that number?
@coas21 This Andrew G. Bostom is a polemicist who talks on Islam for FOX news and the 'American "Thinker"' magazine. Do you have any sources that would be more reliable or trustworthy? (No offence to Andrew G. Bostom if he's reading this).
That's the point, because it contradict the lies of Finkelstein, Chomsky and the rest of the anti Zionists.
Facts are facts, and the book show just that.
Finkelstein, the one who expressed support in terror against IL, the one who encourage Naserallah to continue his anti Semite agenda, he is your book critic?
Next you'll read only book recommended by Eichmann...
The difference between me and you is obvious, i read those who resist my point of view, you read only what fit yours.. dogmatic.
The book doesn't have any facts. It's been debunked. Then you call me dogmatic while at the same time trotting out the well-worn cliches - calling your opponents nazis or self haters, and linking them to terror. Chomsky and Finkelstein say what they say for a reason. Or do you think they've dedicated their entire careers to 'self hatred'?
Well, you haven't read it, didn't bother to see for yourself and you think you're not dogmatic?
And I thought Haredim Jews follow their Rabi blindly....
I lost any trust in Chomsky and his follower when he expressed support in the kemmer rough back in the 70's... if supporting the murder of millions is rightful in his mind than his way of thinking is twisted at best.
It's been debunked by those who resist Israel, it's been embraced by many known scholars.
"Or do you think they've dedicated their entire careers to 'self hatred'? "
No they MADE a careers from this, you won't be hearing on both otherwise.
"Chomsky and Finkelstein say what they say for a reason...."
They SAY, you follow. a true believer...
It's funny, during the 2000 years of Diaspora there were many Jews like Chomsky, those who went against their own. and they were always embraced by the anti Semites.... "See? even our Jew say so"...
Well Finkelsteins career has been adversely affected by his work. And there are plenty of charlatans in the US who have made good careers out of spouting bullshit (eg: Alan Derschowitz) & their views would be the polar opposite of Finkelsteins and Chomskys So if those two were only in it for a career why didn't they jump on that gravy train?
Israels present relationship with the US & ultranationalist outlook is counterproductive. So for them to criticize it isnt 'going against their own'.
It's your thinking that's twisted. As if Chomsky knew what was happening in Cambodia and supported it. Do you reckon he still supports the Khmer Rouge? Or is he only a humanitarian in every other respect except for his views on the Khmer Rouge?
It's been debunked as a proper work of history and shown to be a tissue of lies created with a propagandistic purpose.
Oh yes, he knew well, it was well known worldwide, there were pictures and movies, testemonies and yet.
The same as he's doing now, supporting terror organization, supporting Nazi's movement, the Hamas.
It was? let see, Chomsky said Finkelstein sat in NY library checking every source...alas, most of the sources quoted in the book are from the UN library, the British governmental archive and the Israeli archive... These are not available in NY... but let's not let the facts stand in our way..
Israel supported Hamas... well, now you show typical anti Semite claim... Israel never supported Hamas, Israel allowed the Hamas to operate as a religion and social aid organization, up to when it reviled his Nazi agenda... Did you even took the time reading the Hamas charter? Probably not, Chomsky says their the good guys than it's fine by you..
Adversely affected?? Well, a mediocre researcher, not even a full professor, getting lecture invitations worldwide and paid generously.. poor Norman
Where did Chomsky say Hamas were 'good guys'? Can you give me the full quote & the context in which it was said?
Well it was his 'mediocre research' that debunked that other book you told me to read...well done Norman. But did you know - Finkelstein actually would be a professor today if it weren't for outside political pressure put upon the university where he worked to deny him tenure because of his historical works on Israel? Derschowitz, a noted plagiarist, encountered no such problems.
Jews lived in Arab countries for centuries and milleniums.
The Arabs living in Israel were work-immigrants of the last 100 years - and are squatters!
michalebeb 2 months ago
2:38 - that picture is Palestinian kids.
samergdesigner 5 months ago
I am a Palestinian Christian and I believe Arab Jews and Palestinians both suffering same problem. But I don't see Arab Jews fighting back for their right of return in the Arab countries. Palestinians on other hand always fighting for their right of return.
samergdesigner 5 months ago
allahu akbar . ana nusayri alawite.
nusayri1 7 months ago
I disagree, the exodus of Moroccan Jews was quite different than by Middle Eastern Jews. The Richest moroccan jews immigrated to Canada and France while the poorest went to Israel. The reason for that wasn't because they were hunted or antisemitism but economic reasons , even muslims in the 60's immigrated. Moroccan jews always come back to Morocco each year to celebrate Hilula and saints such as Maimonides while Iraqi jews left because of antisemitism. Jews are always welcome in Morocco!
hamzyboy 7 months ago
@hamzyboy
Excellent comment and 100% correct
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
This video is a joke! You put on here, the naqba of "Arabic Jews" when you know that most of these "Jews" you refer to embraced Islam. They were not killed and thrown in holes like what the "Zionist Jews" did to the Palestinian Muslims. This is the true "Nakba" If you go to Phillistine today, you find them acknowledging "An Nakba Day" This is in response to the killing and ethnically cleansing of muslims in 1948.
mrsokla 7 months ago
arabs and jews have never been "brothers" , another delusional concept perpetrated by the cult of death, islam
SHMUJEW 8 months ago
Nonsense. But you all will never admit the secret killings and incitement that the Zionists committed against Arabic Jewry. The tactics used to frighten them to leave, and the attacks on Arabs to be blamed on Jews, to turn them against them...Disgusting. Jews and Arabs are brothers, especially those of the Arab world. Arab lands are theirs as much as it is ours, so long as their is peace. No space for hater European trouble makers, they ar bastards, no father, no tribe, no heritage.
z3fooor1 9 months ago
WELL DUH
where do you think the half million of moroccan jews went to? -_-
Israel & USA -_-
Ask a moroccan jew what he thinks of morocco.
Arab countries have on many occasions protected jewish people. All this bullshit you guys are talking about is allways the same.
The iranian jewish community voiced that they love iran and refuse to come to Israel :)
WHEN THE CHRISTIANS RETOOK SPAIN. WHY DID ALMOST ALL THE JEWS RUN AWAY? AND WHERE DID THEY RUN TO?
we hate ZIONISTS. Not jews.
Soulspire 10 months ago
@Soulspire
Arab countries may have fought side by side and protected Jews a few times after they paid their jizya but it doesn't take away the fact that so many Jews have been killed by. Hundreds of thousands just slaughtered in Morocco since the 15th century, synagogues destroyed, so dont give me the nonsense that Arabs have on many occassions protected Jews. Jews have always been a 2nd and 3rd class citizen under Arab rule, dont deny the facts to hide your dark past that you cant admit to
ballsoffury4 10 months ago
@ballsoffury4 Before you mention a thing like "paying jizya" you might want to look into it first :) All citizens pay taxes, the taxes for non-muslims were higher but it exempted them from military duty and paid for the maintenance of their places of worship and the like.
The slaughtered jews you speak about, were slaughtered in spain during the equisition and FLED TO MOROCCO where they proved to be great merchants.
Ask a moroccan jew, wherever you may find him, what he thinks about morocco :)
Soulspire 10 months ago
@Soulspire
You make an xcellent comment !
My grandfather [Polish Jew] was always treated with dignity and respect in 1948 Algeria and Morocco. When Jews were killing and stealing from Arabs in 1948 Palestine, my grandpa was outraged to now see Jews treat Arabs like Nazi's treated Jews.
Dignity and Justice for Palestine today and always !
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@KyoNingyo Thank you :)
I'm pleased to hear that.. in these days people make up history, like Tomislavv. It shames me, but i just got tired of talking to him
Soulspire 2 months ago
@ballsoffury4 My dark past?
I live in a dark present. This in great contrast to our golden past :) (until about the 16th century)
2nd and 3rd class citizens? In europe they were trash.
In Muslim nations they were simply "dhimmis", "ahl al kitab", ........... etc
Don't bullshit me please. The least a person can do to another is be respectful.
Everybody has killed people from everywhere in some point of history. With the US as reigning champion and Israel as it's trainee.
Soulspire 10 months ago
@Soulspire
We are native to the land that we were trash in. Those are our countries, how are we dhimmis in our own country? At the time of the crusades, yes, everyone was trash to the crusaders and Jews even more so. Just because Europe was hostile at that specific time does it make it ok to make Jews dhimmis in their own lands? And then expel us from our own land? Your justification is retarded get over yourself
ballsoffury4 10 months ago
@ballsoffury4 in my previous post i pointed out that jews were treated better in Muslim lands than in European lands, i was the one who mentioned that they were treated like trash there, wich is undeniable.
All nations in the world were and are the home countries of MANY peoples. Take israel for example: How many tribes of peoples called it home?
Way before the crusades and way after them the jews were considered as trash in europe, so i refute that statement :)
Soulspire 10 months ago
@Soulspire From my reading Jews in Moslem lands were not treated worse than Jews in christian lands when things were bad and no better than Jews in Christian lands when things were good, in other words it was moore avarage
AbuAvital 8 months ago
@AbuAvital Then let us go deeper into your readings.
What do you consider "when things were bad" and "when things were good" Because as far as i know, things for jews were pretty bad from ancient times on to well into the 18th century when things started to improve (let's ignore nazi germany).
All in all, jews were treated well in muslim lands. "all in all" because indeed there were exceptions to that, not every ruler we had was a wise/good one.
Soulspire 8 months ago
@ballsoffury4 making jews Dhimmis in their own lands? "jew" is not a nationality. It refers to the faith of Judaism. Any jew or christian living in the Dar al Islam back in those days was Dhimmi, regardless of his background and birthplace. Does this mean that they were second class citizens?
NO. it means they were "non muslim" citizens :) Different, but still part of society (mostly they dealt in commerce)
Soulspire 10 months ago
@Soulspire don't play semantics, dhimmi staus came with many restictions so they did not have equaLl rights. The time has come to put moslems in there place should they chose to reamin in Europe. No mosque can be higher than a church, no moslem can drive a car fancier than a true European, moslems must pay extra taxes.
AbuAvital 8 months ago
@AbuAvital Dhimmi status came with restrictions and advantages, just like muslim status. They did not have the all the SAME rights, they had DIFFERENT rights :) Wether they are equal or not, is a subjective discussion. Look up the punishment for a muslim who harms a dhimmi citizen. (in sharia law).
I have refuted the tax lie on here i think, shall i do it again for you?
Also, jews in muslim lands were mostly tradesmen, so alot of them were richer than aloooot of the muslims :) Don't lie :)
Soulspire 8 months ago
@Soulspire so you admit that Moslems can not treat people equally. Thank you
AbuAvital 7 months ago
@AbuAvital Indeed. I admitted that the musilm state adapted itsself to the religion of it's citizens in order to best serve the needs of all.
Dhimmi did not need to pay Zakah, did not pay regular taxes and they were exempt from military service. In return, they payed Jizya (the taxes for non muslims) wich had different rates depending on the wealth of the person being taxed. Furthermore, the tax for a dhimmi was lower than the tax for a muslim OF THE SAME POSITION IN SOCIETY.
Soulspire 7 months ago
"Abd al-Mumin ... the leader of the Almohads after the death of Muhammad Ibn Tumart the Mahdi ... captured Tlemcen and killed all Jews, except those who embraced Islam. ... [In Sijilmasa] 150 persons were killed for clinging to their [Jewish] faith. One hundred thousand persons were killed in Fez on that occasion, and 120,000 in Marrakesh.
Tomislavv2 7 months ago
@Soulspire part 2 The Jews in all localities ... groaned under the heavy yoke of the Almohads; many had been killed, many others converted; none were able to appear in public as Jews
An account by Solomon Cohen dated January 1148 AD
Tomislavv2 7 months ago
@Soulspire part 3
"The Jews possess neither lands nor gardens, nor can they enjoy their fruits in tranquillity. They must wear only black, and are obliged when they pass near mosques, or through streets in which there are sanctuaries, to walk barefoot. The lowest among the Moors imagines he has a right to ill-treat a Jew, nor dares the latter defend himself, because the Koran and the judge are always in favor of the Mohammedan. "
Tomislavv2 7 months ago
@Soulspire part 4
. Finally the Jews were ordered to pay 100,000 piasters and three shiploads of gunpowder; and most of them were arrested and beaten daily until the payment was made. Many fled beforehand to Gibraltar or other places; some died as martyrs; and some accepted Islam"
This was the personal acount of famoues French traveler Chénier, from Morocco in 19th century.
Tomislavv2 7 months ago
@Soulspire
part 5
In 1790 In Mogador, Jews were ordered to pay 100,000 piasters and three shiploads of gunpowder; and most of them were arrested and beaten daily until the payment was made. Many fled beforehand to Gibraltar or other places; some died as martyrs; and some accepted Islam,
Jews have to pay Yizya to Muslims in order not to be slaughterd,not a single synagogue during history was maintained by Islam.Even the yellow badge was invented by Muslims for the Jews.
Tomislavv2 7 months ago
@Soulspire
There were hundreds of pogroms of Jews all over Islamic world during centuries,In last 200 years the major massacres of Jews organized by Islamic leaders happened in Aleppo (1850, 1875), Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jerusalem (1847), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07), Port Said (1903, 1908), Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891), Istanbul (1870, 1874),
Tomislavv2 7 months ago
@Soulspire
Byond this Islamic organized massacres of Jews in just last 200 years occured in , Buyukdere (1864), Kuzguncuk (1866), Eyub (1868), Edirne (1872), Izmir (1872, 1874).[82] There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828 There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.
Tomislavv2 7 months ago
@AbuAvital Since many jewish people were business men (traders, shopkeepers etc,...), those with a high income would be obliged to pay higher taxes than their poorer compatriots (regardless of their faith.)
Furthermore, islamic law forbids jewish districts in cities. In stead it dictates that muslims and non muslims should live side by side. Non muslims are allowed to drink, while muslims will be punished for it.
This, and many other things, say that INDEED, they were not treated "equally" :)
Soulspire 7 months ago
@Soulspire What if Europe imposed an "Islamic tax" on all Moslems just so they could stay there would you agree to that?
AbuAvital 7 months ago
@AbuAvital HELL YES! I wouldn't have to pay the taxes other Europeans do, and it would mean that the government has to take care of our Mosques (wich we now have to do ourselves).
Btw, you do realise that Europe is not a country, and that European laws, customes and cultures are different in each of the memberstates?
About half of what a belgian earns goes to the state as tax EVEN BEFORE HE IS PAID.
AFTER payment, he's taxed AGAIN.
Would be nice not to have to pay all that ^^
Soulspire 7 months ago
@Soulspire No I am sugesting that as a Moslem how would you feel paying ALL the regular taxes plus another just for being a Moslem? Forget about the state looking after your mosques if you want those you should have to pay for them out of your own pocket.
AbuAvital 7 months ago
@ballsoffury4 Expel you from your land you say?
I shall repeat for the third time: Where did the majority of spanish jews go during and after the reconquista, by whom were they driven out and by wich people of wich faith were they welcomed?
Not all muslims are good, just like not all jews and christians are good.
Both jew and muslim committed crimes against each other.
The enemy of the muslim is the Kafir and the Zionist :) not the christian and the jew, nor the muslims of another "sect".
Soulspire 10 months ago
@ballsoffury4 I hope we can leave this discussion at that :) Ma2a salam
Soulspire 10 months ago
This is not an issue of propaganda nor should it be. The fact of the matter is that Mizrahi and Maghrebi Jews suffer disproportionately from poverty in Israel to this day. Some communities are still just trying to rebuild themselves and the Israeli government isn't doing enough to alleviate the situation, nor can it given the amount of resources that have to be dedicated to just making sure it doesn't get wiped off the map.
TheCollegeRabbi 1 year ago
@TheCollegeRabbi I'm a Mizrahi Jew too living in US. I know that Mizrahi Jews suffer more poverty than ashkanazi Jews. First I could not believe it. There is racism still against the indigenous Jews. I keep hearing that we all are ONE. But why the difference between the two. Until 1990, 70% of Israeli Jews were Mizrahi. Even today Mizrahi are 50-55% (excluding those of mixed marriages). But still, Mizrahi are rarely seen in politics and other high level positions.
ForgottenEasternJews 1 month ago
What about the far larger many more 30-60 Massacres of Palestinian Arabs both by the early IDF and newly arrived Aggresive well armed 'settlers' European Immigrants who stole dozens of Villages? This led to the mass exodus leading to around 2Million Arab Refugees who had their Farmlands Houses Business stolen by Jews?.
wind4watts 1 year ago
@wind4watts If Arabs don't attack they don't get shot at.
AbuAvital 11 months ago
@AbuAvital If the west doesnt invade/rape/kill/threaten/make up stories of us, none will get shot at.
Soulspire 10 months ago
@Soulspire why do you write such bs? Arabs kill/muder and it gets reported, don't do it and it won't be reported.
AbuAvital 9 months ago
@AbuAvital Okay.. Arabs killed 6000 Americans on 09/11. And you're right, it got "reported".
Lets forget the us bombings on China, korea, guatemala, indonesia, cuba, belgian congo, the dominican republic, peru, laos, vietnam, cambodia, lebanon, grenada, libya, el salvador, nicaragua, iran, panama, kuwait, somalia, croatia, bosnia, sudan, afghanistan and yugoslavia for a moment.
In iraq alone you have killed 800 000 iraqi's :) to be fair, we shoudl repeat 09/11 over a 100 times.
Care to report?
Soulspire 9 months ago
@wind4watts What about them? Nothing, since these "massacres" you're alluding to are entirely fictional.
MostlyWicked 11 months ago
I didn't know Iran was an Arab country: Are you relying on the public's ignorance?
ameroffsky 1 year ago
@ameroffsky Iran is not an Arab country. The people of Iran are Farsi not Arabic.
TudorGDavies 1 year ago
@TudorGDavies
Loool I know that: I was being sarcastic in reference to the video.
ameroffsky 1 year ago
@ameroffsky I got that and I was 'backing you up' with a little bit of extra info for the ignorant. Cheers
TudorGDavies 1 year ago
@TudorGDavies
Farsi is a language retard, they are of European lineage
ballsoffury4 11 months ago
@ballsoffury4 Yes farsi is a language, but no, Persians/iranians are not of european lineage.
Soulspire 10 months ago
@TudorGDavies Farsi is a language. Iranians are Persian, arabic, Azeri, Kurdish, turkish, etc etc.
there are many different ethnicities.
Soulspire 10 months ago
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ameroffsky 1 year ago
- I condemn the persecution of Arab Jews. It was wrong and bad. It was also very shortsighted.
- It is known, as numerous sources state, that the policy of the Israeli government is to try and trade recognition of Palestinian rights for those of Arab Jews, in a bid to evade and avoid responsibility for your own deeds. Arab Jews, having been looked down upon by Western Jews, are now being used as a bargaining chip.
Now please ban and delete my comments for telling the truth.
ameroffsky 1 year ago
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ameroffsky 1 year ago
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Also, I didn't know Iran was an Arab country. Are you relying on the public's ignorance? :)
ameroffsky 1 year ago
The mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries constitutes a shameful episode in our history. It is something of which educated and responsible Arabs are not proud.
But to call it a "Nakba" and to compare it to what happened to the Palestinians is an insult to the stolen generations of Palestinians who stolen by you people. It is also an insult to those same Mizrahim and Sephardim.
It simply being used as a pretext to evade responsibility for your own criminal actions.
ameroffsky 1 year ago
Also, I am happy to say:
- Morocco still has a considerable Jewish community
- Tunisia and Egypt still have some, and their Jewish heritage is being renovated
- Bahrain has a community, and their ambassador in DC is a Jewish lady
- Yemen has a small community, fairly well tolerated
- Lebanon's Jewish community is now seeing a revival with the renovation of their synagogue in Beirut, and other impending renovations around the country. All for the return of the Lebanese Jews. It is long overdue
ameroffsky 1 year ago
@ameroffsky if the Israelis chose virtually to ignore the propaganda benefits to be gained from exploitation of their refugees, the Arabs predicted otherwise. Perhaps because of the Arab world's own political use of its refugees, some Arabs have anticipated with apprehension the Israelis' eventual use of what the Arabs see as a strong claim for Israel and its resettled Jewish refugees from Arab countries.
gamboni100 1 year ago
@gamboni100
Very well then, let there be a trade off: Palestinians for Arab Jews.
A voluntary population exchange, not that many will want to come back from either side, and whoever does not want to come back receives compensation for his/her property, at TODAY's market prices.
The homes and lands of the Palestinian gentry and peasants have gone sky high in value, since you people are so entrepreneurial. :)
If it should be worked out that way, fine by me.
Best wishes. :)
ameroffsky 1 year ago
Israel's claims are these: It may perhaps be the case that we Israelis were the cause of the expulsion of some Palestinians, whose number is estimated at 700,000, from their homes during the 1948 War, and afterwards took over their properties. Against this, since 1948, you Arabs have caused the expulsion of party must bear the consequences
gamboni100 1 year ago
@ameroffsky Israel is absorbing the Jews of Arab States; the Arab States, for their part, must settle the Palestinians in their own midst and solve their problems. There is no doubt that, at the first serious discussion of the Palestinian problem in an international forum, Israel will put these claims forward."
- Sabri Jiryis, a well known Palestinian Arab researcher in the Institute for Palestinian Studies in Beirut, published in Al-Nahar, Beirut, on May 15, 1975
gamboni100 1 year ago 8
THANX FOR SHARING , and they still complain about their few hundreds refugees. fuck kharabs . long live israel,
ZeusZahouani 1 year ago
"And G-d shall scatter you among all the peoples from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth…" (Deuteronomy 28:64)
"And G-d shall return your captivity and be merciful to you, and will return and gather you from all the nations whither G-d has scattered you." (Deuteronomy 30:3)
Why don't you quote those Torah verses all over YouTube....Ricky-boy?
ravdov571 1 year ago
@OneApostate Exactly!
Lagolop 1 year ago
the Jews and Arabs live together in peace Arab-Jewish enmity did start in 1948 dark point in Zionist history I Do remember when I was Young Well somali Jewish family "YIBIR" highly respected nearby in our neighborhood in mogadishu
taano71 1 year ago
@taano71 You know nothing. Jews were mistreated for centuries. They were called as Dimmi in arabic which meant insignificant.. Jews were taxed high, synagogues were not allowed to be built higher, no new property purchase etc. There were pogroms in N Africa in early 1900s well before 1948. If the Zionists settled in Israel, why did the arabs force 1.3 million Jews out. These Jews did not do anything wrong. It was all about muslim hatred and fake honor.
ForgottenEasternJews 1 year ago
that's what we call changing history, 100 % propaganda
ouissam5210 1 year ago
so lets turn back the clock to 5000 years ago and call it even ! Whatever happened in the meantime just does not count. I guess my kid's history teacher is right when she said why teaching history to those grade 3 since they cannot remember what happened 5 years ago. Maybe she had a point and I completely missed it. Go figure !
1culture1 1 year ago
i am jewish algerian and i can tell you that the israelies are the ones who offered money to jews living elsewhere to go to israel so they can overpopulate the palestinians and become majority.
they were not chased from any arab country,
they havent chased me and they know i am jewish and i am against apartheid israel
bazukaboom 1 year ago
@bazukaboom the point is that israel is willing to absorb jews from arab countries but arab countries are not willing to absorb the palestinians. The arab Israeli conflict is not about land, its about the Islamic countries intolerance for another country that does not bow down to islam.
stoneroses13 1 year ago
@bazukaboom
how are you a jewish algerian if your picture is of the word allah?
DmitriyIMA 1 year ago
@DmitriyIMA
because we jews , (true jews , not some european who converted last century,)
we call him Alloh and in armaic illah just like the arabs which i am call him allah, same thing same meaning, i am still jewsish
bazukaboom 1 year ago
@bazukaboom
European converts?
a study done ten years ago demonstrated that the Y chromosome DNA of jewish men is the same regardless of what kind of jew and similar to other middle eastern populations, not europeans
DmitriyIMA 1 year ago
@bazukaboom Jews are one people. Ashkenazim are just Mizrahim who migrated northward. We belong to each other and to the Land of Israel. However, the Occupation is wrong and puts us in danger. I am for two states and peace. When there is true peace, boundaries will mean very little. Salaam, shalom.
jumpinjoelblue 1 year ago
@jumpinjoelblue I will love to see a 2 state solution and then let the arabs sink into their own mire. I disagree with you that there will be peace. It is not about land; it's about a deep hatred that arabs have for Jews. They will only be happy when Israel is destroyed. Besides, the whole region is in reality Jewish land and whenever the Jews give away land they get bombs in return.
Lagolop 1 year ago
@bazukaboom based on yur page u prolly arent Jewish there are i think 30 Algerian Jews in Algeria probobly closer to 0, and there are 250 000 in Israel and 300 000 in France sooooooooooooooo
BamenYaros 1 year ago
@bazukaboom A Jew is defined by Jewish law, not ethnicity. There are no "fake" Jews. By definition, you are Jewish if born to a Jewish mother, or if you convert. So, the most blond blue eyed Ashkenazi is as much a Jew as a Mizrahi whose family never left Israel even if that Ashkenazi has ZERO Middle Eastern DNA.
Lagolop 1 year ago
@DmitriyIMA allah is simply the Arabic word for haShem. Jews in Medina used it before Muhammed was born.
jumpinjoelblue 1 year ago
@jumpinjoelblue
Are you sure? what is reference ?
Do u know jews were beloved by Allah before then after they berated Mossa and Jesus cursed by Allah.. do u know ?
mmt2k9 1 year ago
@unoraza: that's absurd, of course jesus was jewish. he preached nothing but judaism. the last supper was a passover seder. people turned him into a god, which is anti-jewish, after he died. but in his life he was nothing but jewish. that's the reality.
bhaktitube 1 year ago
You are right on what you are saying:)
Thetruthofman 1 year ago
@bhaktitube Ironic isn't it, that so many people that hate Jews, pray to a Jewish god ;)
Lagolop 1 year ago
ther is no arab -jews .
ther is jews of arab conterys .
nir766 1 year ago
what bullshit
pulseramallah 1 year ago
It is time for all Christians and Jews to come together and stand up to the real Shatan. I do support Israel as a Christian, and so many of my friends who are Christian. IF the Western world most of whom have lost their religion are only interested in fun and games today, they will have an enormous price to pay soon, when the Muslims will take over .
1stREMESquaddie 1 year ago
Am Yisrael Chai forever
yigal88 1 year ago
BULLSHIT!!!
tfk47 1 year ago
@tfk47 spoken by a thieving muslim basted! you will soon give it back I promise!
mirawayne 1 year ago
what is bullshit?
shawry86 1 year ago
@tfk47 hmmm, glad to kno tht our enemies hav sucha limited vocabulary, and such little intelligence
BamenYaros 1 year ago
Extremely informative video which should be seen. They have every right to compensation.
Coupal1 1 year ago 7
Oh no Jews got killed!
Fuck the fact that Jewish and Christian Palestinians have been killed ten times and much as them, shit guys we gotta do somehing!
PolarStah 1 year ago
Sad that the Palestinian lovers never see this
dutchjewinsisrael 1 year ago
there is no such thing is an "Arabic Jew" we are Jews who lived in Arab/Muslim lands, the proper name is called Mizrahim Jews, which means Eastern Jews. i ' am an Israeli my moms family is from Lebanon and my dads Iraq
y2kabilov 1 year ago 6
@y2kabilov You are right. The right term is Mizrahi Jew. "Arab Jew" is an insult to all mizrahi jews. I have sent a message to the person who posted the video and hopefully the title will be changed soon.
ForgottenEasternJews 1 year ago
@ForgottenEasternJews
Was it Mizrahi Jews who betrayed Mosses aswell???
mmt2k9 1 year ago
@mmt2k9 IN THE DAYS OF MOSES THERE WERE NO ASHAKANAZI OR OTHER JEWS. THEY WERE ALL MIZRAHI (EASTERN) JEWS. ALL OF THEM WERE FROM MIDDLE EAST. SO YOUR SENTENCE SHOULD BE REFRAMED AS JUST "JEWS" RATHER THAN "MIZRAHI JEWS"
ForgottenEasternJews 1 year ago
Great video!
May the Lord Y'shua Save and Protect Jewish/Hebrew/Zionist people from all evil!!
Blessed be His Holy Name!!
Psalm3417KJ 1 year ago
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The Semetic peoples are the enemy of Europeans weather Muslim or Jewish they both have one thing in common they are Semites and both wish to destroy the European and Christian world.
davery1234 1 year ago
@davery1234
Remember kids, ALL Muslims are anti-semite, regardless if they like Jews or not.
PolarStah 1 year ago
@PolarStah
You mean like Jews are, by definition, anti-Christian?
One thing that's always perplexed me is how Muslims, spiritually speaking, are far closer to Christians than Jews. Christ was no more Jewish than my pet rock as he tore into everything they represent.
Yet the PTB would like us to think the opposite is true as we're used to fight their wars.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@davery1234-Although they are both semetic peoples, the muslims are never described as such. I don't know where you get your information, but it is only the islamic world which wants to destroy western civilization. The Jews ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTED to European and western civilization. Why don't you do a little research and get over your prejudice?
Coupal1 1 year ago
If you're truly unaware of the contributions of what we know as "Arabs", both long before and under Islam, you're the one that needs to do research.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@davery1234 You're talking out your butt. First, the term semitic is a linguistic term and there are MANY different semitic speaking culture. Plus many languages make up the semitic linguistic group. Jews do not want anyone destroyed; you don't see them marching in London threatening to kill all infidels. Remember, both Jews and Xtians are infidels to muslims.
Lagolop 1 year ago
i am just trying to figure you if you are a kahanist or not. a question you never answer.
JIDFnazi 1 year ago
-cont-
5-i think if you really have such a strong love for isreal, move there. no one is stopping you from completing your destiny, are they? that is one of the reason many viewed isreals occupation as a land grab..all countries are fucked up in one way or another bud.. america included.. so why can't we criticize every other country other than isreal ?
thats the real point. you cant have it both ways..bottom line.
Kapeesh?
JIDFnazi 1 year ago
lastly ravdov. your points about what i belive in on so off track. it is laughable.. but you are so stuck on "jew" this and "jew" that that you can not see the forest for the trees.
1- i dont belive in the "ZOG" theory
2- i belive the holocaust was as much to solve the "jewish" problem along with a polish land grab..
3-in the camps12 mill died, not just 6 mill jews
4- i am not a christian or a jew or a muslim, hence why religious arugments have no bearing for me.
-cont-
JIDFnazi 1 year ago
So here's the deal, jidfnazi-boy: Until all these Arab dictatorships begin to compensate the nearly one million Jews they forcibly kicked out of their respective countries, your "right of return for 5 million of your brethren" demand can go take a flying f*ck.
Kapeesh?
ravdov571 1 year ago
If Israel's critics like you lot are truly opposed to anti-Semitism, why do you repeat traditional anti-Semitic themes. When such themes - the Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, linking Jews with money and media, the hooked-nose stingy Jew, the blood libel, or disparaging use of Jewish symbols - are used to describe Israel's actions, You're going to hear from me. Is it really necessary to evoke the "Jewish conspiracy" or depict Israelis as Christ-killers to denounce Israeli policies?
ravdov571 1 year ago
i have a open question for all parties invloved here : brace yourself please...
i constantly see references to religious scriptures...as to why "god" decided what was to be happening in isreal.. so my question is this.. that argument may work for those that are "people of the book" but what kind of water do you thinks it hold for those that do not follow your beliefs ?
JIDFnazi 1 year ago
hmmm
JIDFnazi 1 year ago
Here's another question, slickrick - do you deny this event happened? Do you deny that nearly a million of my people were forced out of Arab countries? At gunpoint? Lost their land, homes, life savings? Any action Israel takes to defend itself pales in comparison, wouldn't you say?
ravdov571 1 year ago
people's across the world have suffered persecution, deportation, genocide... yet only one justify's its cruel treatment of another people through their past suffering.
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
"...yet only one justify's its cruel treatment of another people through their past suffering..."
Careful...your anti-Semitism is showing.
I can point you to several incidents throughout the history of modern warfare where societies have acted out of pure revenge for wrongs heaped against them. For you to inflate the "Palestinians" plight to the level of those seems a bit ingenous, to say the least. Need examples? I have several. Pre-Middle Age Germanic tribes come to mind....?
ravdov571 1 year ago
@ravdov571 i dont think that quote was anit-semetic whatsoever there ravdov.. jsut a simple fact.. doesnt make it right or wrong does it ? after all we study history in order not to repeat the past, correct? so why should one people be immune from that? ( yes that works both ways)
but to label everything you disagree with, conceptually or otherwise as anti-semetic is a indication of another kind of issue,, same type of issue that plauged nazi germany, as too who was deemed " aryan" or not..
JIDFnazi 1 year ago
Despite piqued disclaimers, some of Israel's critics use anti-Semitic stereotypes. In fact, their disclaimers frequently offer a mask of respectability to otherwise socially unacceptable anti-semitism. Many equate Israel to Nazism, claiming that "yesterday's victims are today's perpetrators": last year, Louis de Bernières wrote in the Independent that "Israel has been adopting tactics which are reminiscent of the Nazis". This equation between victims and murderers denies the Holocaust.
ravdov571 1 year ago
Worse still, it provides its retroactive justification: if Jews turned out to be so evil, perhaps they deserved what they got. Others speak of Zionist conspiracies to dominate the media, manipulate American foreign policy, rule the world and oppress the Arabs. By describing Israel as the root of all evil, they provide the linguistic mandate and the moral justification to destroy it. And by using anti-Semitic instruments to achieve this goal, they give away their true anti-Semitic face.
ravdov571 1 year ago
The fact that you dismiss accusations of anti-Semitism, even when you put anti-Semitic imagery at work, is a subterfuge. Israel deserves to be judged by the same standards adopted for others, not by the standards of utopia. Singling out Israel for an impossibly high standard not applied to any other country begs the question: why such different treatment?
Care to explain, Mr. "JIDFNazi"? Why are you here trolling anyway? Who cares what you think? We've got Israel - deal with it. "Wahhhhhh"!!!
ravdov571 1 year ago
same standards that where used against apartheid south-africa
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
@ravdov571 everything to you is anti-semetic, including a picture of santa claus.. lmfao- that is your " anti-semetic imigary" cuz your not christian.. truly ravdov you are a jewish supremist..and tho you are about 10 years older than me. over all you only act about 10 years old.. you have not once discussed anything, you can not carry dialoges what so ever.. typical of the culturaly and ethnicly inclined..that is why i often view you ( personally) with contempt..
JIDFnazi 1 year ago
About if you called me a nazi... it was about the tone of zionists in general. for example someone states the fact that israel supported hamas to have an oppositon to fatah and coas21 goes on: ''...Israel supported Hamas... well, now you show typical anti Semite claim... Israel never supported Hamas, Israel allowed the Hamas to operate as a religion and social aid organization, up to when it reviled his Nazi agenda...''
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
basically: If you are pro israel... you are a poor martyr defending your home land. If you are defending palestine... you are a nazi. That is what i was stating. I applaud you for refraining to call me a nazi. but you did run pretty fast to the torah to tell me god was gonna strike me down... Im sorry for not only having human empathy for jews but also for palestinians
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
So you are saying that the expulsion of Jews from Arab countries is much, much worse than the expulsion of Palestinians from Palestine? It's not possible to argue that one party should be compensated in some way whilst denying the same right to the other party without being a hypocrite.
Also, you can't relate Israel's "defensive actions" (as you term them) to that single event because, simply put, they aren't at all related to that event.
shakeystevensVIII 1 year ago
Yep...that's what I'm saying. Jews in Arab nations were forced out at gunpoint. Arabs in Palestine were forced out by the threat of war and by the Arab leaders. Most Jews begged them to stay and help fight off the Jordanians and Syrians. That's a fact, son.
ravdov571 1 year ago
You know shakey/slicky/slimey/whoever....you don't like how history turned out - who cares? Take it up with the historians. I know a few at the AHS, and they would would be more than happy to enlighten you on Middle East history!
But knowing you, you'd rather bloviate your ignorance on YouTube in the usual pathethic fashion! Who knows? You might collect a few dozen more disciples in your YT echo chamber. The rest of the world doesn't really give a sh*t!
LOL!
ravdov571 1 year ago
@ravdov571 i jsut finished reading your aurgument and you made some good points as well as shakeysteven.. seems to me that if people are more willing to have dialoges rather than run around and insult eachother.. maybe something can get done.. i did not notice any religious arguments from you ( from what i saw) intersting,
JIDFnazi 1 year ago
@ravdov571 not stoodles bud, but thanks for the insult :)
JIDFnazi 1 year ago
My post below is a statement of fact, so "debating" it is useless, just like most topics on the internet. I don't care about your opinion, I don't want to engage you in any sort of debate, because you're not interested in the truth. You're a propagandist, and not welcome here. Go post on a jihadist channel.
ravdov571 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
whatever koran you stated to be anti semitic, you brought it up not me.
but you showed your small mindedness right here: ''..., I don't want to engage you in any sort of debate,...'' and proved my point. stay in your ideological bubble
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
I didn't bring up the Koran - you did. Who cares? And what's it got to do with the video above? Jerusalem isn't mentioned once in the Koran. Why did you bring it up? R U Muslim?
I just mentuoned there were two different one, that's all. Most Muslim scholars will agree with me. The later one was harsher in it's tone towards non-Muslims....fact.
ravdov571 1 year ago
''You can't run from Ha'Shem. No place to run - no place to hide - remember that. ''
exactly my point... i criticize israeli foreign policy, i get called an anti-semite and apparently now god will come to get me? like i said, debate, discussion, reasoning is impossible with zionists
did i wish your death? did i wish the death of israel? did i say jews should not have their homeland? NO. But apparently no matter, even mentioning that israel is harsh towards palestinians= I am a nazi
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
Let me ask you a question: Did call you a Nazi?
A tad sensitive, aren't we?
ravdov571 1 year ago
I seriously try to have rational discussions with zionists... then they call me a nazi, fascist, anti-semite, and block me from responding. Open yourself to debate with people that want to talk, or all that will be left will be debate with people with guns. I have never seen such censorship anywhere on youtube. It is quite sad
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
RainhadoCanto3 2 years ago
2 of 2:
SPANIARDS: GONE
NAZI GERMANS: GONE
SOVIETS: GONE
HAMMAS: IN-PROCESS
THE JEWISH PEOPLE: THE SMALLEST OF THEM ALL, BUT WITH A FRIEND IN A VERY HIGH PLACE!
INDEED!
(borrowed from my friend Mordichay100)
RainhadoCanto3 2 years ago
I don't think there's much point in continuing this debate because, to put it simply, you're too far gone. I can't help you.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
I think this insistence on anti-semitism being inherent in Islam has nothing to do with the historical truth of the matter (which says otherwise) but is mainly a political tool to make it appear that opposition to Israel in the Muslim world is an irrational outgrowth of bigotry rather than having anything to do with Israel's ethnic cleansing policies and other abuses. Would I be right in saying that?
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
How have you proved that Islam has been antisemitic since its inception? My point is based on what I've read, which comes from historians, whose points do have a factual basis. I didn't say Europe is responsible, I said ideas relating to antisemitism were imported from Europe, ideas which weren't popular in the Muslim world previously. Your opinion is warped by your ideological inclinations I fear. I cannot help you.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Here are some quotes from the Koran:
"And thou wilt find them [the Jews] the greediest of mankind"
Surah 11, v. 96, ibid
Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews.... And of their taking usury ... and of their devouring people's wealth by false pretenses. We have prepared for those of them who disbelieve a painful doom. Surah IV, v. 160, 161, ibid.
Allah hath cursed them [the Jews] for their disbelief. Surah IV, v. 46, ibid.
coas21 2 years ago
Some more:
And thou seest [Jews and Christians] vying one with another in sin and transgression and their devouring of illicit gain. Verily evil is what they do. Why do not the rabbis and the priests forbid their evilspeaking and their devouring of illicit gain? .... evil is their handiwork.
Surah V, v. 62, 63, ibid.
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends.
Surah V, v. 51, ibid.
Many many more...
You need to read some more from professional historians...
coas21 2 years ago
Christianity existed when Islam was founded & from that point onwards they have existed simultaneously, just as they do today. What do you mean 'try again'? Everything I've stated is fact & based on historical sources. It doesn't change just because you remain unconvinced.
Is anti-Arab racism & anti-Muslim bigotry integral to Zionism? The record, historic & current, would say that it is. Is Zionism therefore a racist ideology?
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
You referred to the 'situation with the Arabs'. I assumed you meant historically, so I was talking from that perspective. Islam & Christianity have existed simultaneously for a good while now & the aspects that came to define antisemitism as it developed in Europe were not mirrored in Islam until Israel was founded. I didn't 'blame' it, I explained it.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
I am referring solely to the idea promoted today that the Islamic world was akin to the Christian world in regard to its attitude to the Jews. Evidently, it was not. I did not say they lived in eternal harmony. As antisemitism is a European phenomenon that has since spread to the Islamic world it has to be a 'relativist' argument. Were the myths and attitudes that defined European antisemitism present simultaneously in the Muslim world historically? No. Therefore, it was not endemic.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Underpinning this modern deceit that the Muslim world was always a hotbed of antisemitism is the obvious comparison with Europe, so its inescapable that it will be judged relatively. According to my sources (Norman Cantor), antisemitism today in the Muslim world, far from being 'symbiotic', was an importation from Europe in response to the founding of Israel.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
I'm talking about a period of thousands of years, you're talking about a single event. There's no need to get upset. Taking two common examples that are used today to give the impression that Muslims have always been antisemitic does not constitute "institutionalised antisemitism". Muslim attitudes to Jews historically were different to those of Christians. FACT.
It's 'proposition', by the way. A preposition is 'a word used with a noun or pronoun to show place, position, time, or method'.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
To say it was 'all roses' with the Arabs is obviously inaccurate. Having said that, I've never heard anyone say it was 'all roses'. But what's even more inaccurate and prevalent is this idea that the experience of Jews in the Middle East was akin to the persecutions in Europe. The Muslim world simply did not have the same institutionalised antisemitism that Europe did. However, it's not politically expedient from a Zionist perspective to admit this today.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Look for Andrew G. Bostom research on that, you'll see the number of pogroms performed by Arabs and Muslims, the sum of Jewish casualties is not far from the European Jewish casualties.
For instance, 200,000 Jews were murdered in Morocco at the 12th century...
watch?v=hgEEkmvgjQg&feature=related
coas21 2 years ago
Can you tell me the figures yourself? I find that hard to believe as the Muslim world didnt have institutionalized antisemitism, unlike Europe. I've never heard of this "Andrew G. Bostom" but there is a trend whereby people will pretend to be academics and write politically-motivated falsehoods so that these deceits will appear to have legitimacy and can be quoted as "facts". Check out Samuel Huntington or anything by Derschowitz for an example of this sort of rubbish.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
The figures can't be as accurate as in the holocaust, it's a collections of events during 2000 years. The documentations are based on various sources, intra Jewish, Christians, Muslims and other. Estimated by 4 millions.
The big question is - why is the UN refugee denotation was change specifically for the Arabs in Israel? Usually a 20 years of residency is require, with the Arabs it was lowered to 2 years.
coas21 2 years ago
Surely if this was true we would hear about it more given the current political situation? Most of these videos that try to interpolate the condition of Jews in Europe onto the Muslim world (which is less known about - despite your claim that it was just as bad) always use the example of their expulsions after the foundation of Israel. Also, why then did Zionism emerge in Europe rather than the Middle East? So, 4 million in 2000 years (as opposed to 6m in 5 years). Where did you get that number?
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Zionism did not "emerge" in Europe, it was always part of Judaism and living in Israel was and is consider at utmost importance.
The Modern term Zionism as grasped by the world is an attempt, a successful one, to establish a Jewish state. Nothing more.
Google Farhud Iraq 1941.
Use Google to translate this:
daat . co . il / daat / kitveyet / mahanaim / razhabi-3 . htm
en . wikipedia . org / wiki / Moroccan_Jews
coas21 2 years ago
@coas21 This Andrew G. Bostom is a polemicist who talks on Islam for FOX news and the 'American "Thinker"' magazine. Do you have any sources that would be more reliable or trustworthy? (No offence to Andrew G. Bostom if he's reading this).
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Bostom is not enough? so what if he speak on Fox news?
Look for "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters.
coas21 2 years ago
From Time Immemorial? Wasn't that the book that was plagiarized by Derschowitz and then subsequently debunked by Finkelstein?
What will you be recommending I read next to find out more? 'The Shining'?
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
That's the point, because it contradict the lies of Finkelstein, Chomsky and the rest of the anti Zionists.
Facts are facts, and the book show just that.
Finkelstein, the one who expressed support in terror against IL, the one who encourage Naserallah to continue his anti Semite agenda, he is your book critic?
Next you'll read only book recommended by Eichmann...
The difference between me and you is obvious, i read those who resist my point of view, you read only what fit yours.. dogmatic.
coas21 2 years ago
The book doesn't have any facts. It's been debunked. Then you call me dogmatic while at the same time trotting out the well-worn cliches - calling your opponents nazis or self haters, and linking them to terror. Chomsky and Finkelstein say what they say for a reason. Or do you think they've dedicated their entire careers to 'self hatred'?
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Well, you haven't read it, didn't bother to see for yourself and you think you're not dogmatic?
And I thought Haredim Jews follow their Rabi blindly....
I lost any trust in Chomsky and his follower when he expressed support in the kemmer rough back in the 70's... if supporting the murder of millions is rightful in his mind than his way of thinking is twisted at best.
It's been debunked by those who resist Israel, it's been embraced by many known scholars.
coas21 2 years ago
The facts- watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ
"Or do you think they've dedicated their entire careers to 'self hatred'? "
No they MADE a careers from this, you won't be hearing on both otherwise.
"Chomsky and Finkelstein say what they say for a reason...."
They SAY, you follow. a true believer...
It's funny, during the 2000 years of Diaspora there were many Jews like Chomsky, those who went against their own. and they were always embraced by the anti Semites.... "See? even our Jew say so"...
coas21 2 years ago
Well Finkelsteins career has been adversely affected by his work. And there are plenty of charlatans in the US who have made good careers out of spouting bullshit (eg: Alan Derschowitz) & their views would be the polar opposite of Finkelsteins and Chomskys So if those two were only in it for a career why didn't they jump on that gravy train?
Israels present relationship with the US & ultranationalist outlook is counterproductive. So for them to criticize it isnt 'going against their own'.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
It's your thinking that's twisted. As if Chomsky knew what was happening in Cambodia and supported it. Do you reckon he still supports the Khmer Rouge? Or is he only a humanitarian in every other respect except for his views on the Khmer Rouge?
It's been debunked as a proper work of history and shown to be a tissue of lies created with a propagandistic purpose.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Oh yes, he knew well, it was well known worldwide, there were pictures and movies, testemonies and yet.
The same as he's doing now, supporting terror organization, supporting Nazi's movement, the Hamas.
It was? let see, Chomsky said Finkelstein sat in NY library checking every source...alas, most of the sources quoted in the book are from the UN library, the British governmental archive and the Israeli archive... These are not available in NY... but let's not let the facts stand in our way..
coas21 2 years ago
Well Israel supported Hamas at one time so...
Apart form supposed 'political affiliations', what is it exactly you disagree with in what Chomsky or Derschowitz says?
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Israel supported Hamas... well, now you show typical anti Semite claim... Israel never supported Hamas, Israel allowed the Hamas to operate as a religion and social aid organization, up to when it reviled his Nazi agenda... Did you even took the time reading the Hamas charter? Probably not, Chomsky says their the good guys than it's fine by you..
Adversely affected?? Well, a mediocre researcher, not even a full professor, getting lecture invitations worldwide and paid generously.. poor Norman
coas21 2 years ago
Where did Chomsky say Hamas were 'good guys'? Can you give me the full quote & the context in which it was said?
Well it was his 'mediocre research' that debunked that other book you told me to read...well done Norman. But did you know - Finkelstein actually would be a professor today if it weren't for outside political pressure put upon the university where he worked to deny him tenure because of his historical works on Israel? Derschowitz, a noted plagiarist, encountered no such problems.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
A figure of speech, he is supporting the Hamas.
You ignoring the facts, again, Finkelstein didn't had access to MOST of Peters sources, meaning he could not debunked her book...
You lack a basic knowledge, you didn't read the Hamas charter and probably not the PLO covenant, first and current versions.
You have no idea what the Koran says about the Jews and what the implications are regarding Israel.
..........
coas21 2 years ago
You have no idea of the Jewish history in Israel and the Arab countries at the past 2000 years.
.............
You have no knowledge on the Jews history in Israel and in the Arabs countries at the past 2000 years.
When you fill up this basic knowledge, your claim will be refer as honest, educated criticism.
Till then, you are not worth my time.
coas21 2 years ago
OK but what is it exactly you disagree with in what Chomsky or Finkelstein says?
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Fill up the missing in your knowledge and you'll know, don't expect me to give you an instant answer with no background.
coas21 2 years ago
Take as much time as you need.
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago