The identifier for that airport. L for Italy, IMC for the airport identifier. The United States is K (mainly), smaller airports have different identifiers. I work at KNHK (NAS Patuxent river), but we have an airport MD50 (Chesapeake Ranch Air Strip).
How can you safely do a missed approach at 50 feet without touching down? YOu can't. It takes time to spool up the engines and descent cant be arrested without abruptly pulling up, which is dangerous. You really end up with a touch and go - in which case you might as well land.
Not true! Your landing speed isnt your stall speed so the airplane would still be able to float over the runway. Also the plane is light so you dont need a high amount of thrust to climb. In the end just calculate the time from 50 feets to touch down. You need about 5 seconds. Thats enough time to spool up the engines to a reasonable amount of thrust...
@tasev1 don't forget when you go around, all the drag flaps are stowed.. and "it takes time for the engines to spool up" well the engines are already spooled up for the approach so from approach to GA thrust would be no time at all....
@CAMEROOOOOOOOPIEOOOO Minimums is the height that the pilots have set their radio-altimeter to. The height can be changed to suit various types of approaches (cat I,II or III). The altimeter sends radiowaves to the ground and therefore measures your height=AGL and not your pressure-altitude. When flying an approach you have a decision height where you determine if you can go on or not (basically if you can see the runway (lights) or not). Hope this explains minimums.
Basically, types of ILS (Instrument Landing System) precision approaches are divided into "Categories".
There are 3 main categories: CAT I, CAT II, and CAT III. The 3rd category (CAT III), is further divided into 3 subcategories (a, b, c) or CAT IIIa, CAT IIIb, and CAT IIIc.
CAT I minimums for landing are limited to a 200' ceiling with 1/2 mi. vis.
CAT II minimums for landing are limited to a 100' ceiling with 1/4 mi. vis.
CAT IIIa minimums for landing are limited to less than a 100' ceiling with 1/8 mi. vis.
CAT IIIb minimums for landing are limited to less than a 50' ceiling with 1/8 mi. vis.
...and the big daddy of 'em all is...
CAT IIIc. The airplane's auto-pilot (actually 3 auto-pilots cross-checking each other) flies the airplane to the runway's touch-down zone and rolls-out onto the runway, tracking it's center-line, while the aircraft is slowed to taxi speed in zero-zero (ceiling and vis) conditions.
Actually you can fly a handflow CAT III, but you need a HUD, and both pilots must be trained in the sim and certified of course. I've actually done a few! The hardest part is taxiing though...
It's autoland. What takes nerves of steel is flying an aircraft that does not have this ability. In this case the pilot is more of a flighdeck manager.
That's true. There is a system of specific markings and green lights on the taxiways coupled with red "stop bars" that guide pilots from the runway to the ramp parking area. Otherwise, a "follow-me" truck is used to guide crews to the gate.
WOW. This was amazing; I am 14 years old and I have such a higher respect for pilots. I just learned about CAT III approaches about a week ago and have since been watching these videos and they are truly amazing. Makes me eager to be a pilot. Congratulations to this pilot also :]
The autoppilot is disengaged after the Captain determines his position and control of the aircraft. The 3 autopilots track centerline to a full stop. It is the Captain's decision as to when to take over manually. In this case, it was a few seconds after filming stopped. The taxi to the gate is then the next challenge.
I flew Delta into MXP in 1993 and landed in similar conditions... couldn't see the end of the wing the fog was so thick and had no idea we were so close to the ground until I heard the main gear hit. Unbelievable landing.
yes cat3c is 0rvr by definition but in ops min 80rvr needed(depending on country/airline) such that the guy can taxi to the ramp. we wont see 0rvr landings until autotaxi is invented
A nice CAT III landing with autoland. If you don't believe it's an autoland, look at 00:02 and you will see all 3 autopilots with APP mode on, which means it is an autoland.
Is there a way to post still pictures here? I took a still of the fog deck with smoke stacks from a power plant sticking out that will help show how low and thick the fog was that morning in Milan. Being at the foot of the Alps - Milan gets plenty of dense fog days.
Now that's a CAT III. I've seen lots of videos on youtube claiming to be low CAT III that I could easily fly CAT I, but this one looks to be real soup.
i know, but cat III approaches dont have minimuns if the 767 is operating in fail operational mode, if some component fails, the system reverts to fail safe and then u have a minimum of at least 50 feet. So, something must have been inoperative like a radio altimeter....i just wanted to know ;)
Company policy is to set 50' RA. Not that it really matters as the 767-ER will auto-land even if we don't see the runway. But it is nice to see the runway before you hit it.
Thanks. View it again - in the first few seconds the wider shot clearly shows his hand guarding the throttles. Auto-throttles are used on all CAT II & III. Thanks for the comments - will shoot some more when I can. Was in right seat for another CAT III in Gatwick this morning - hard to film from there though as too busy making call-outs. (previous shot from Jumpseat).
I always thought Malpensa has CAT II ILS...
TheOneEurope 1 year ago
767 ftw :D
killabb24 1 year ago
IT´S A 3B
larrybueno 1 year ago
ok video ni
whwa380 1 year ago
Milan Malpensa, MXP - LIMC
billo82 2 years ago
What is the ICAO of the airport?
lobatofg 2 years ago
LIMC is the ICAO Code I think.
saPPtheRapTeeR 2 years ago
Correct.
49nst 2 years ago
The identifier for that airport. L for Italy, IMC for the airport identifier. The United States is K (mainly), smaller airports have different identifiers. I work at KNHK (NAS Patuxent river), but we have an airport MD50 (Chesapeake Ranch Air Strip).
philhartman13 2 years ago
How can you safely do a missed approach at 50 feet without touching down? YOu can't. It takes time to spool up the engines and descent cant be arrested without abruptly pulling up, which is dangerous. You really end up with a touch and go - in which case you might as well land.
tasev1 2 years ago
Not true! Your landing speed isnt your stall speed so the airplane would still be able to float over the runway. Also the plane is light so you dont need a high amount of thrust to climb. In the end just calculate the time from 50 feets to touch down. You need about 5 seconds. Thats enough time to spool up the engines to a reasonable amount of thrust...
OCXEON 2 years ago 4
unless you have about 3000 feet of runway left and youre piloting a 737 and larger.
HanGookBoi 2 years ago
yes you can, you can even go around after touch down
chirimanar 2 years ago
@tasev1 don't forget when you go around, all the drag flaps are stowed.. and "it takes time for the engines to spool up" well the engines are already spooled up for the approach so from approach to GA thrust would be no time at all....
timbozyuk 2 years ago
what is minimums?
CAMEROOOOOOOOPIEOOOO 2 years ago
@CAMEROOOOOOOOPIEOOOO Minimums is the height that the pilots have set their radio-altimeter to. The height can be changed to suit various types of approaches (cat I,II or III). The altimeter sends radiowaves to the ground and therefore measures your height=AGL and not your pressure-altitude. When flying an approach you have a decision height where you determine if you can go on or not (basically if you can see the runway (lights) or not). Hope this explains minimums.
Studmuffinowitch 1 year ago 2
Incredible...truly amazing skills
tozerlady 2 years ago
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skyyguyy 2 years ago
amazing.
B767jason300FS 2 years ago
767 from Delta , Atlanta - Milan ?
TheNeverSeeingEye 2 years ago
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gattoevolpe 2 years ago
What isn't?
Aloft1961 2 years ago
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billytomrame2 2 years ago
Illegal to fly a CAT III manually - must have redundant autopilots.
Aloft1961 2 years ago 2
what is cat lll
slyguytoo 2 years ago
It is an full autoland, but maybe you have to control speed like in 737, and flaps of course.
ArminPr 2 years ago
Basically, types of ILS (Instrument Landing System) precision approaches are divided into "Categories".
There are 3 main categories: CAT I, CAT II, and CAT III. The 3rd category (CAT III), is further divided into 3 subcategories (a, b, c) or CAT IIIa, CAT IIIb, and CAT IIIc.
CAT I minimums for landing are limited to a 200' ceiling with 1/2 mi. vis.
CAT II minimums for landing are limited to a 100' ceiling with 1/4 mi. vis.
*continued on next comment.*
skyyguyy 2 years ago
CAT IIIa minimums for landing are limited to less than a 100' ceiling with 1/8 mi. vis.
CAT IIIb minimums for landing are limited to less than a 50' ceiling with 1/8 mi. vis.
...and the big daddy of 'em all is...
CAT IIIc. The airplane's auto-pilot (actually 3 auto-pilots cross-checking each other) flies the airplane to the runway's touch-down zone and rolls-out onto the runway, tracking it's center-line, while the aircraft is slowed to taxi speed in zero-zero (ceiling and vis) conditions.
skyyguyy 2 years ago
Actually you can fly a handflow CAT III, but you need a HUD, and both pilots must be trained in the sim and certified of course. I've actually done a few! The hardest part is taxiing though...
mrjck 2 years ago
@Aloft1961 maybe only the auto-throttle was disengaged
bettileonardo 11 months ago
@Aloft1961 why is it illegal? After all pilots are trained for it. For "safety"?
richygambs321 3 months ago
How ever he should be able to fly manually....
JeyKru 2 years ago
Wow. That takes nerves of steel. All in the training.
FFTVAviation 2 years ago
It's autoland. What takes nerves of steel is flying an aircraft that does not have this ability. In this case the pilot is more of a flighdeck manager.
suspendmeassholes 2 years ago
Unbelieveable!
mzelek75 2 years ago
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WOW < This is a boeing 747 cockpit
alaqmar1992 2 years ago
It's a 767.
EmuInfluenza 2 years ago 2
No, a 757
TREXBORLON 2 years ago
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They are identical.
britishagentTV 2 years ago
To one pilot to another.....would someone give this man a medal please lol
shaun17304 3 years ago
Good video!! Thanks
oscarboeing777 3 years ago
I live near LIMC and in winter there is a lot of fog... lol you can see in this video...
marcogazze 3 years ago
LIML or LIMC ?
Kratha 3 years ago
LIMC
Aloft1961 3 years ago
very nice. but after landing you have to find your gate. and i think thats not very easy ;)
Kekser89 3 years ago 2
That's true. There is a system of specific markings and green lights on the taxiways coupled with red "stop bars" that guide pilots from the runway to the ramp parking area. Otherwise, a "follow-me" truck is used to guide crews to the gate.
Aloft1961 3 years ago
and who guides the follow me truck? lol
patrickcramer 3 years ago
LOL HAHAHAHHAHA
GinoRc 2 years ago
Oh yes, this is what a I call a blind approach !!!!
Very nice, congratulations to the crew.
ayrtonbarros 3 years ago
Never seen another vids like this before!!!!
Awesome Landing, Fantastic, Fantastic, Fantastic!!!
FatMancubus 3 years ago
now its foggy when u hear the FC call out "20" and then the pilot gos "i see the runway!"
Babyalien83 3 years ago 2
My thoughts exactly!!
Great landing! Thanks for posting.
shamma1977 3 years ago
that is awesome, that is really low vis!
ksa5223 3 years ago
WOW. This was amazing; I am 14 years old and I have such a higher respect for pilots. I just learned about CAT III approaches about a week ago and have since been watching these videos and they are truly amazing. Makes me eager to be a pilot. Congratulations to this pilot also :]
homelessipod 3 years ago 6
@homelessipod I hope that your dream comes true and one day you become a pilot! Good luck!!
heathjones1980 1 year ago
Great video, that was a cool approach.
aviatorlegend2 3 years ago
I don't understand how people can do this, HUGE respect for pilots, such a well respected profession, and righly so!
valiantfocker 4 years ago
you say its an autolanding but i dont hear them disengaging the autopilot, or cant you hear that in a 767?
foshizzlemb 4 years ago
The autoppilot is disengaged after the Captain determines his position and control of the aircraft. The 3 autopilots track centerline to a full stop. It is the Captain's decision as to when to take over manually. In this case, it was a few seconds after filming stopped. The taxi to the gate is then the next challenge.
Aloft1961 4 years ago
I flew Delta into MXP in 1993 and landed in similar conditions... couldn't see the end of the wing the fog was so thick and had no idea we were so close to the ground until I heard the main gear hit. Unbelievable landing.
mibrop 4 years ago
Boeing 767-300ER
giovannikoll 4 years ago
ILS Cat 3a is RVR 750', ILS Cat3b is RVR 500', and ILS Cat3c is 0 RVR ... and NO Category 3 approach has a DH ...
longov 4 years ago
yes cat3c is 0rvr by definition but in ops min 80rvr needed(depending on country/airline) such that the guy can taxi to the ramp. we wont see 0rvr landings until autotaxi is invented
xm105 4 years ago
CAT I: DH:200ft RVR: 550m
CAT II: DH: 100ft RVR: 300m
CATIIIa: DH: 50ft RVR: 200m
CATIIIb: DH: 0ft RVR: 75m
CATIIIC: DH: 0ft RVR: 0m
matze161 3 years ago
oh so in ILS approach?
pilotnicco 4 years ago
what does CAT III mean?
pilotnicco 4 years ago
Absolutely incredible.
RockMancuso 4 years ago
A nice CAT III landing with autoland. If you don't believe it's an autoland, look at 00:02 and you will see all 3 autopilots with APP mode on, which means it is an autoland.
hffin 4 years ago
GREAT JOB !! "Lights in sight" just before
~20 FT callout !! ~WoW ~talk about ~Minumums~
BigBearVids 4 years ago
Nice, judging by the American accents I assume you are flying for Delta?
EvOluTiOn91 4 years ago
autoland?
ahlanii 4 years ago
Now that's a real CAT III landing!
ccoraxfan 4 years ago
Nice landing!Were you land at Malpensa??
berga10mito 4 years ago
Yes - plenty of fog at the foot of the Alps.
Aloft1961 4 years ago
I know it...it is about 10 miles from my house
berga10mito 4 years ago
Is there a way to post still pictures here? I took a still of the fog deck with smoke stacks from a power plant sticking out that will help show how low and thick the fog was that morning in Milan. Being at the foot of the Alps - Milan gets plenty of dense fog days.
Aloft1961 4 years ago
Now that's a CAT III. I've seen lots of videos on youtube claiming to be low CAT III that I could easily fly CAT I, but this one looks to be real soup.
RobertGary1 4 years ago
Its a Boeing 767-300..nice going Cap't
nascarjoe20 4 years ago
So cool.
snudge86 4 years ago
perfect textbook cat 3
sriv1211 4 years ago
The plane is a 767 delta or continental. beautiful landing, bad weather :)
Casioita 4 years ago
True CAT III approach.
moto400ex 4 years ago
Wow, you see almost 30ft of the runway, that's all!
Conan1ts 4 years ago
nice
aerodarts 4 years ago
awesome video
wstocker 4 years ago
wHAT TYPE OF AIRCRAFT?
notar1 4 years ago
Looks like a 767
AmazonChitlin 4 years ago
thanx
notar1 4 years ago
No problem! :)
AmazonChitlin 4 years ago
thanx.wow! thats amazing
notar1 4 years ago
Im guessing thats the computer saying you are at decision altitude... if you cant see the runway gotta do a missed approach.
OriginalAtomicSheep 4 years ago
woops wrong person
OriginalAtomicSheep 4 years ago
why the minimums? fail safe?
cmarentis 4 years ago
Im guessing thats the computer saying you are at decision altitude... if you cant see the runway gotta do a missed approach.
OriginalAtomicSheep 4 years ago
i know, but cat III approaches dont have minimuns if the 767 is operating in fail operational mode, if some component fails, the system reverts to fail safe and then u have a minimum of at least 50 feet. So, something must have been inoperative like a radio altimeter....i just wanted to know ;)
cmarentis 4 years ago
ah fair enough not sure then.
OriginalAtomicSheep 4 years ago
Company policy is to set 50' RA. Not that it really matters as the 767-ER will auto-land even if we don't see the runway. But it is nice to see the runway before you hit it.
Aloft1961 4 years ago
You may land without seing the runway at all but then how can you taxi to the terminal if you cant see :-)
rolfen 4 years ago
Either:
1. "Follow me" truck
2. Specific low-visibility lights & markings.
3. Slow, slow, slow taxi with airport taxi diagram and every set of eyes peeled.
Aloft1961 4 years ago
That's awesome. What airline was this?
joemccormick 4 years ago
Thats what I call an approch. Sweet
lorddingo555 4 years ago
yep a catIII
leonelp51 4 years ago
Thanks. View it again - in the first few seconds the wider shot clearly shows his hand guarding the throttles. Auto-throttles are used on all CAT II & III. Thanks for the comments - will shoot some more when I can. Was in right seat for another CAT III in Gatwick this morning - hard to film from there though as too busy making call-outs. (previous shot from Jumpseat).
Aloft1961 5 years ago
It's CAT III, and for sure the PF MUST have his hands on the throttles, how, then, will he initate a go around in a given situation? ;-)
imayora111 5 years ago
Dude, CAT II has 100 foot minimums, they broke out at about 40 feet. It was CAT III
detpilot 5 years ago
hey, CAT III the pilot dont´t move the throttle !
no is CatIII , is CAT II
but, cool vid !
goldoflamengo 5 years ago