Check out what Dr, Robert Zubrin has to say about the Ares ( his design) and the ARES V on my channel. Or the Mars Society channel. He says the USA need a HLV !! One that can carry 120 tons or more ! I will always like the ARES V. Yes replace the Ares 1 with private rocket. But NASA should build the ARES V !!!
@davisgreen2020 -- No, it shouldn't. Ares V could not work, the design was bad. The Engineers which worked on it said it would never work, period. They even proposed designs which do work. Ares V is broken, thanks to Ares I. If we had stuck to the original ESAS Ares III/IV/V arrangement as the engineers had wanted, Ares III would be flying already. IV would be next year, and V by 2016. But it is a radically different rocket than this thing. RS-25, 5-seg SRB, it would have worked.
The Ares V would a rocket that could not be match by any nation on Earth !! For ANY plan to go beyond low Earth orbit at long last ! To return the Moon AND travel Mars ! A HLV is the key !! Without it. The humanrace is going NO where !!!
Mr. Presdient ! There is NO other private rocket that can carry the sorts of loads that the Ares V was designed to lift ! 180 tonnes to Earth orbit and 71 tonnes to the Moon ! Why cancel Constellaton ??!!!
@rjholling It´s a terrible design ?? I have read Dr. Robert Zubrin´s book. "The Case for Mars" his design HLV is very close in design to the Ares V !! The Key to cutting cost to finally go beyond low Eath orbit at long last ! Is the use existing technology !! Using a fire section external tank and boasters from the Space Shuttle makes sense ! Instead of wasting time and american tax dollars for going back to the drawing board !! When built ! The Ares V will lift 108 tons and 71 tons !!
@davisgreen2020 Except for the fact that it doesn't really use shuttle parts. Ares V calls for 5.5 segment SRBs. This after spending $3 billion and counting to design an upgrade from a 4 to 5 segment for whimpy uber expensive Ares I. The architecture is terrible because it doesn't leverage anything and is really two brand new completely different rocket programs that only look like a shuttle stack. Ares I has so little lift mass they had to redesign Orion 4 times and with each...
@rjholling Deep thanks for all you reseach and info update !! In the end We both want the same goal ! That NASA go beyond LEO !! And do it NOW !! By 2020 I want my then 21 year old son to look up at the night sky and look at the Moon. Use a telescope and look at Mars. And say Humans are up there !! Living and working !! To really "Boldly go where no one has gone before !!" What ever it is called we need a powerful HLV and rocket to carry humans to space !! Otherwise we are on a dead end road !!
@davisgreen2020 subsequent reversal it lost more functionality including reusability which means you have to put a new $1 billion Orion on each Ares I you fly. As far as Ares V goes, we would have to completely redesign the tooling at the MAF for 10m cores instead of 8.4m that shuttle uses. On top of that the SRBs would melt the RS-68 engines at the base so those need multibillion dollar redesigns for regenerative cooling. You see what I am getting at? Terrible design from an engineers POV.
@davisgreen2020 A much better design is a true SD HLV that doesnt require multibillion dollar development efforts we dont have the money for. 70mT with propellant depots yields even GREATER TMI mass than Ares V. The bill in the senate leverages the shuttle tech for a SD HLV and develops the commercial industry for ISS resupply and crew rotation. A very good bill that is lightyears better than Michael Griffin's Constellation shenanigans.
@rjholling I want to see the an animation or design of this SD HLV ! Will it get humans beyond low Earth orbit !?!! Returning to the Moon and on to Mars by 2033 !!? I´m fed up NASA going no where !!
@davisgreen2020 You should check out ESA's Aurora Programme. They have plans on getting to the moon at around 2025 and to set the first humans to Mars at 2030/2031.
@davis3001 nasa only tells you 10% of what it sees. and what that 90% is, is highly classified. They might not want the people of the earth, to know what lies beyond our barrier
THE USA is WINNING the CGI conquest of Space. Look at our animation and videos. They are sooo much better than Russia's or China's.
dcb1138 11 months ago
Check out what Dr, Robert Zubrin has to say about the Ares ( his design) and the ARES V on my channel. Or the Mars Society channel. He says the USA need a HLV !! One that can carry 120 tons or more ! I will always like the ARES V. Yes replace the Ares 1 with private rocket. But NASA should build the ARES V !!!
davisgreen2020 1 year ago
@davisgreen2020 -- No, it shouldn't. Ares V could not work, the design was bad. The Engineers which worked on it said it would never work, period. They even proposed designs which do work. Ares V is broken, thanks to Ares I. If we had stuck to the original ESAS Ares III/IV/V arrangement as the engineers had wanted, Ares III would be flying already. IV would be next year, and V by 2016. But it is a radically different rocket than this thing. RS-25, 5-seg SRB, it would have worked.
downix 11 months ago
The Ares V would a rocket that could not be match by any nation on Earth !! For ANY plan to go beyond low Earth orbit at long last ! To return the Moon AND travel Mars ! A HLV is the key !! Without it. The humanrace is going NO where !!!
davisgreen2020 1 year ago
Obama spends money like a fool on all his social agenda projects but can't respect our future in space. :(
sedna69a 1 year ago
Mr. Presdient ! There is NO other private rocket that can carry the sorts of loads that the Ares V was designed to lift ! 180 tonnes to Earth orbit and 71 tonnes to the Moon ! Why cancel Constellaton ??!!!
davis3001 1 year ago 5
@davis3001 easy. Because it is a terrible design and we cannot afford it. Even if we could afford it, it is still a terrible design.
rjholling 1 year ago
@rjholling It´s a terrible design ?? I have read Dr. Robert Zubrin´s book. "The Case for Mars" his design HLV is very close in design to the Ares V !! The Key to cutting cost to finally go beyond low Eath orbit at long last ! Is the use existing technology !! Using a fire section external tank and boasters from the Space Shuttle makes sense ! Instead of wasting time and american tax dollars for going back to the drawing board !! When built ! The Ares V will lift 108 tons and 71 tons !!
davisgreen2020 1 year ago
@davisgreen2020 Except for the fact that it doesn't really use shuttle parts. Ares V calls for 5.5 segment SRBs. This after spending $3 billion and counting to design an upgrade from a 4 to 5 segment for whimpy uber expensive Ares I. The architecture is terrible because it doesn't leverage anything and is really two brand new completely different rocket programs that only look like a shuttle stack. Ares I has so little lift mass they had to redesign Orion 4 times and with each...
rjholling 1 year ago
@rjholling Deep thanks for all you reseach and info update !! In the end We both want the same goal ! That NASA go beyond LEO !! And do it NOW !! By 2020 I want my then 21 year old son to look up at the night sky and look at the Moon. Use a telescope and look at Mars. And say Humans are up there !! Living and working !! To really "Boldly go where no one has gone before !!" What ever it is called we need a powerful HLV and rocket to carry humans to space !! Otherwise we are on a dead end road !!
davisgreen2020 1 year ago
@davisgreen2020 subsequent reversal it lost more functionality including reusability which means you have to put a new $1 billion Orion on each Ares I you fly. As far as Ares V goes, we would have to completely redesign the tooling at the MAF for 10m cores instead of 8.4m that shuttle uses. On top of that the SRBs would melt the RS-68 engines at the base so those need multibillion dollar redesigns for regenerative cooling. You see what I am getting at? Terrible design from an engineers POV.
rjholling 1 year ago
@davisgreen2020 A much better design is a true SD HLV that doesnt require multibillion dollar development efforts we dont have the money for. 70mT with propellant depots yields even GREATER TMI mass than Ares V. The bill in the senate leverages the shuttle tech for a SD HLV and develops the commercial industry for ISS resupply and crew rotation. A very good bill that is lightyears better than Michael Griffin's Constellation shenanigans.
rjholling 1 year ago
@rjholling I want to see the an animation or design of this SD HLV ! Will it get humans beyond low Earth orbit !?!! Returning to the Moon and on to Mars by 2033 !!? I´m fed up NASA going no where !!
davisgreen2020 1 year ago
@davisgreen2020 You should check out ESA's Aurora Programme. They have plans on getting to the moon at around 2025 and to set the first humans to Mars at 2030/2031.
TheFutureIsRightHere 1 year ago
@davis3001 nasa only tells you 10% of what it sees. and what that 90% is, is highly classified. They might not want the people of the earth, to know what lies beyond our barrier
u7alll 11 months ago