The spitfire isn't my favourite aircraft by any means but a few myths needed to be dispelled . Unlike the mustang spit fires came in many different versions even of the mark. Example the MK IX LFe was a low alt spitfire that had a 22lb boost rating at 12K and power would prop off from 1634 bhp above 10K where as the Mk IX LHe had a merlin 70 with 23lb boost set at 24K giving it's best power of 1800bhp at 33K and top speed of 460 moh at 30K and a service celling of 44K
well it Is spit IX LFe as it has the 2X 20mm hispano and 2 X .50 cal. clipped wings and therefore merlin 66 (or 266 if it's the XVI LFe) giving it a sea level top speed of 370mph where as the P51 had a top speed of 340MPh at sea level .
The spit XIV had a top speed of 480mph at 27K . that's faster than the P51 at 27K
The Mustang was a great fighter, but it was great because it had the range the Spitfire lacked, enabling it to take the fight to the enemy.
But in a one-on-one dogfight, there's absolutely no comparison. The Spitfire would win decisively, 99 times out of 100...
Eric Brown (RN test pilot and holder of the world record for number of types of aircraft flown): "I have flown both for many hours, and would choose the Spitfire [over the Mustang] if given a choice in a fight to the death."
The P51H didnt even fight in the war. There is no question that the Spitfire is better in a close in dogfight, I dont think yeager has ever flown a Spitfire has he? SO how would he know?
You need people who have flown both to make the judgment :-
Gordon Levitt, Israeli fighter pilot, comparing the Spitfire, Mustang, and Avia S-199 (Jumo-engined Bf 109), all of which the Israelis flew: "Despite the pros and cons, the Spitfire was everyone's first choice."
Well, that was pretty one-sided. The Spit was great, but forever playing catch up since the '51 was a clean-sheet 'spit, orderd by the brits, updated and refined. With range this time, but the "stang never got the Griffon either. The P51 H was the best, though few were made, and it's lines were altered. If the Jet engine was 5 years later, it would have made for some great planes... The spit was a true interceptor, the 51 a true air superiority fighter, same job, but over enemy territory.
@opatrick1961 Thats rubbish, the P51 was slightly faster, but by 1944 the Spitfire XIV was doing 447. The Spitfire climbed better, turned better and had heavier firepower. PLus it was there 4 years before the P51.
The P51 was faster on the same engine, but by 1944, the Spitfire had a new Griffon engine which gave it a top speed equal to a Mustang, In a dogfight there is no question IRL a Spit would win hands down.
@Xiolablu3 The later P51H was a result of a study of the lightweight 'spit, which was not built to more demanding US specs. The 51H had atop speed of 487, and it climbed faster due to extensive weight reduction, inspired by the spit's design. 550 H's were on hand by VJ day. These planes, so closely matched, won or lost more on the skills of their pilots. Chuck Yeager, who knows a thing or two about air combat said he'd rather fight a better plane with a worse pilot than the other way 'round.
@opatrick1961 USAAF 31st FG War Diary (when transferring from Spitfires to P-51s): "Although pilots think that the P-51 is the best American fighter, they think the Spitfire VIII is the best fighter in the air."
@Xiolablu3 As noted, both great planes, and one upped each other as time went on....I really don't care that much, its my once a month beer and youtube session. Maybe the FW 190 was better than both, surely it was a contender and had a series of continuing upgrades.....So you're a spit fan, good for you. If you have a better plane, but can't use it where you need it most, is it really a better plane??? Have a great day
@opatrick1961 I am not a Spitfire fan, per se, I am a WW2 fighter fan, love them all. I just love the facts about all of them. The Fw190 was incredible in 1941-42 vs the Spitfire V, but in 1944 vs the Spitfire IX and P51D it had lost its edge. Still a great fighter, but no longer 'the best'.
All were good in different areas. Spitfire - Incredible climb and turn, geat in a dogfight. FW190 fast speed and roll rate,, Mustang, fast speed and long range. Have a great day yourself mate. :)
@opatrick1961 there were 550 p5iH's delivered by VJ day, but none saw combat. There were aslo P-80's in service, no combat though. Interesting that one noted a later "spit with laminar flow wing that was a bit faster. A Mustang wing to make a better spit, like the earlier spit engine to make a better mustang. These are both great planes, and I really don't care which edges which, history speaks for itself. One plane won the battle of britain, the other the battle over Berlin.
it could be a spit Vb LFe , spit IX LFe or spit XVI . or a spit XII but the merlin engine means it's not . the fastest spitfires were the Mk XII and XIV . the XIV had extended wingtips . the XII could be clipped or unclipped .
@edmundscycles ok well not according to the years and markings of what i can read, there a few differences like blisters, gun types and numbers and when and where they where deployed, if you check the mustang didnt enter until 42 and truley the fastest and after the war from what i can tell is the pr19, so know what its not and also if you check youll find that alot of planes were faster than the spit fire, like the mustang , hornet , lighting , do335 , p47 speed wasnt every thing
The spitfire accelerates to speed faster than the pony so while the P-51 has the speed advantage above 12K it takes longer to get to get to speed only meaning that the spit fire will close in on the P-51 untill the spit hits it's top level speed . (p.s the RAF had the mustang Mk I in 1941 with the Alison engine not the merlin 266) .
@edmundscycles well here what wrong this what your saying compared to the video, first off this isnt real , second the mustang made an appearance in 42,third it took until the tenth burst before this mustang was hit dont you think he would have sped up perhaps used emerganciewar time power to get going ? i would have ,and i beleieve in a dive , in a climb and flat straight level flying the mustang was faster you think it would be already going fast ? the mustang also could take more abuse
@lesterclaypool1 It took so many burst as most of the shots missed. The mustang MK Ia as used by the RAF first saw service in September 1941 and scored it's first kills over Depie . The spit IX LFe (which we se in this video had a 2000fpm higher climb rate than the P51 due to the P51 having lamuna flow wings that give very low lift . in a dive they only thing that held the spit back was lack of aileron control this was cured by clipping teh wing tips (as in this film) .
@lesterclaypool1 The P51 will compress at speeds over 490mph the spit with clipped wings will have control at speeds over 510mph (though you had to be careful not to over stress the airframe). As for strength . yes the spitfire was fragile but so were the wings on a P51 . Due to them being lamina flow any damage to the surface dramatically reduces your lift and roll . deformation of the wing could also induce high speed stalls .
@lesterclaypool1 The P51 D (which entered service in 1944 ) was designed for medium altitude work and only came in one configuration and had it's peak power at 19K rated at 1712 Bhp from 12 K up to 23 K it was faster than all spitfires in that range . as far as climb rates The Mk XII and XIV spitfires rate of 5000ftpm with wep , the Mk IX LFe has climb rate of 4500ftpm and IX LHe 4000ftp with wep . P51 on the other hand is 3200ftpm with wep
@opatrick1961 USAAF pilot Charles McCorkle (who flew both in combat), reporting on a mock combat between a Spitfire and Mustang in 1944: "Now we could see which was the better aircraft...a Mustang and a Spit took off for a scheduled 'combat', flown by two top young flight commanders. When the fighters returned, the pilots had to agree that the Spitfire had won the joust. The Spit could easily outclimb, outaccelerate, and outmaneuver its opponent..."
this is the later version of the spitfire as used in the cold war with the wingtips cut off great vid 5*
boeing747ba 1 week ago
I call BULLSHIT!!!!!
mikekobbler 1 month ago
Is this an early model of spitfire? more square than elliptical wings. They were both amazing aircraft
donteatcheese 2 months ago
Spitfire.
mwillis1000 6 months ago
@ToshitsuguTakamatsu this looks like IL2
danny1229c 7 months ago
The spitfire isn't my favourite aircraft by any means but a few myths needed to be dispelled . Unlike the mustang spit fires came in many different versions even of the mark. Example the MK IX LFe was a low alt spitfire that had a 22lb boost rating at 12K and power would prop off from 1634 bhp above 10K where as the Mk IX LHe had a merlin 70 with 23lb boost set at 24K giving it's best power of 1800bhp at 33K and top speed of 460 moh at 30K and a service celling of 44K
edmundscycles 10 months ago
well it Is spit IX LFe as it has the 2X 20mm hispano and 2 X .50 cal. clipped wings and therefore merlin 66 (or 266 if it's the XVI LFe) giving it a sea level top speed of 370mph where as the P51 had a top speed of 340MPh at sea level .
The spit XIV had a top speed of 480mph at 27K . that's faster than the P51 at 27K
edmundscycles 10 months ago
@ToshitsuguTakamatsu
Wings of Prey
its for the PC
Supduplemup 11 months ago
WHAT GAME IS THIS?
battleon26 1 year ago
whoa you can see them so much better in the pc version
abot19 1 year ago
The Mustang was a great fighter, but it was great because it had the range the Spitfire lacked, enabling it to take the fight to the enemy.
But in a one-on-one dogfight, there's absolutely no comparison. The Spitfire would win decisively, 99 times out of 100...
Eric Brown (RN test pilot and holder of the world record for number of types of aircraft flown): "I have flown both for many hours, and would choose the Spitfire [over the Mustang] if given a choice in a fight to the death."
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
The P51H didnt even fight in the war. There is no question that the Spitfire is better in a close in dogfight, I dont think yeager has ever flown a Spitfire has he? SO how would he know?
You need people who have flown both to make the judgment :-
Gordon Levitt, Israeli fighter pilot, comparing the Spitfire, Mustang, and Avia S-199 (Jumo-engined Bf 109), all of which the Israelis flew: "Despite the pros and cons, the Spitfire was everyone's first choice."
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
Well, that was pretty one-sided. The Spit was great, but forever playing catch up since the '51 was a clean-sheet 'spit, orderd by the brits, updated and refined. With range this time, but the "stang never got the Griffon either. The P51 H was the best, though few were made, and it's lines were altered. If the Jet engine was 5 years later, it would have made for some great planes... The spit was a true interceptor, the 51 a true air superiority fighter, same job, but over enemy territory.
opatrick1961 1 year ago
@opatrick1961 Thats rubbish, the P51 was slightly faster, but by 1944 the Spitfire XIV was doing 447. The Spitfire climbed better, turned better and had heavier firepower. PLus it was there 4 years before the P51.
The P51 was faster on the same engine, but by 1944, the Spitfire had a new Griffon engine which gave it a top speed equal to a Mustang, In a dogfight there is no question IRL a Spit would win hands down.
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
@Xiolablu3 The later P51H was a result of a study of the lightweight 'spit, which was not built to more demanding US specs. The 51H had atop speed of 487, and it climbed faster due to extensive weight reduction, inspired by the spit's design. 550 H's were on hand by VJ day. These planes, so closely matched, won or lost more on the skills of their pilots. Chuck Yeager, who knows a thing or two about air combat said he'd rather fight a better plane with a worse pilot than the other way 'round.
opatrick1961 1 year ago
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Xiolablu3 1 year ago
@opatrick1961 USAAF 31st FG War Diary (when transferring from Spitfires to P-51s): "Although pilots think that the P-51 is the best American fighter, they think the Spitfire VIII is the best fighter in the air."
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
@Xiolablu3 As noted, both great planes, and one upped each other as time went on....I really don't care that much, its my once a month beer and youtube session. Maybe the FW 190 was better than both, surely it was a contender and had a series of continuing upgrades.....So you're a spit fan, good for you. If you have a better plane, but can't use it where you need it most, is it really a better plane??? Have a great day
opatrick1961 1 year ago
@opatrick1961 I am not a Spitfire fan, per se, I am a WW2 fighter fan, love them all. I just love the facts about all of them. The Fw190 was incredible in 1941-42 vs the Spitfire V, but in 1944 vs the Spitfire IX and P51D it had lost its edge. Still a great fighter, but no longer 'the best'.
All were good in different areas. Spitfire - Incredible climb and turn, geat in a dogfight. FW190 fast speed and roll rate,, Mustang, fast speed and long range. Have a great day yourself mate. :)
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
@opatrick1961 there were 550 p5iH's delivered by VJ day, but none saw combat. There were aslo P-80's in service, no combat though. Interesting that one noted a later "spit with laminar flow wing that was a bit faster. A Mustang wing to make a better spit, like the earlier spit engine to make a better mustang. These are both great planes, and I really don't care which edges which, history speaks for itself. One plane won the battle of britain, the other the battle over Berlin.
opatrick1961 1 year ago
@opatrick1961 this was a spitfire mk9 you can tell by the wing tip beening cut striaght at the ends they were the fastest spit fires
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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Supduplemup 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1
it could be a spit Vb LFe , spit IX LFe or spit XVI . or a spit XII but the merlin engine means it's not . the fastest spitfires were the Mk XII and XIV . the XIV had extended wingtips . the XII could be clipped or unclipped .
that spit is the IX LFe ( the same as the XVI)
edmundscycles 10 months ago
@edmundscycles ok well not according to the years and markings of what i can read, there a few differences like blisters, gun types and numbers and when and where they where deployed, if you check the mustang didnt enter until 42 and truley the fastest and after the war from what i can tell is the pr19, so know what its not and also if you check youll find that alot of planes were faster than the spit fire, like the mustang , hornet , lighting , do335 , p47 speed wasnt every thing
lesterclaypool1 10 months ago
The spitfire accelerates to speed faster than the pony so while the P-51 has the speed advantage above 12K it takes longer to get to get to speed only meaning that the spit fire will close in on the P-51 untill the spit hits it's top level speed . (p.s the RAF had the mustang Mk I in 1941 with the Alison engine not the merlin 266) .
edmundscycles 10 months ago
@edmundscycles well here what wrong this what your saying compared to the video, first off this isnt real , second the mustang made an appearance in 42,third it took until the tenth burst before this mustang was hit dont you think he would have sped up perhaps used emerganciewar time power to get going ? i would have ,and i beleieve in a dive , in a climb and flat straight level flying the mustang was faster you think it would be already going fast ? the mustang also could take more abuse
lesterclaypool1 10 months ago
@lesterclaypool1 It took so many burst as most of the shots missed. The mustang MK Ia as used by the RAF first saw service in September 1941 and scored it's first kills over Depie . The spit IX LFe (which we se in this video had a 2000fpm higher climb rate than the P51 due to the P51 having lamuna flow wings that give very low lift . in a dive they only thing that held the spit back was lack of aileron control this was cured by clipping teh wing tips (as in this film) .
edmundscycles 10 months ago
@lesterclaypool1 The P51 will compress at speeds over 490mph the spit with clipped wings will have control at speeds over 510mph (though you had to be careful not to over stress the airframe). As for strength . yes the spitfire was fragile but so were the wings on a P51 . Due to them being lamina flow any damage to the surface dramatically reduces your lift and roll . deformation of the wing could also induce high speed stalls .
edmundscycles 10 months ago
@edmundscycles are you english by the way ? i bet you are
lesterclaypool1 10 months ago
@lesterclaypool1 The P51 D (which entered service in 1944 ) was designed for medium altitude work and only came in one configuration and had it's peak power at 19K rated at 1712 Bhp from 12 K up to 23 K it was faster than all spitfires in that range . as far as climb rates The Mk XII and XIV spitfires rate of 5000ftpm with wep , the Mk IX LFe has climb rate of 4500ftpm and IX LHe 4000ftp with wep . P51 on the other hand is 3200ftpm with wep
edmundscycles 10 months ago
@opatrick1961 USAAF pilot Charles McCorkle (who flew both in combat), reporting on a mock combat between a Spitfire and Mustang in 1944: "Now we could see which was the better aircraft...a Mustang and a Spit took off for a scheduled 'combat', flown by two top young flight commanders. When the fighters returned, the pilots had to agree that the Spitfire had won the joust. The Spit could easily outclimb, outaccelerate, and outmaneuver its opponent..."
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
I thought we were on the same side?
TheRealSteel 1 year ago
@TheRealSteel
Oh yeah I was drunk :p
Supduplemup 1 year ago
@Supduplemup That P-51 pilot must have been drunk to!!!
Weibkoln 1 month ago
how do you make a movie like this?
spitfiremk2ify 2 years ago
@spitfiremk2ify
Its a game
Supduplemup 2 years ago
no offense dude but i that isent that great
colaiannis 2 years ago
IL-2 birds of prey I take it?
usselliot76 2 years ago
wings of prey
Supduplemup 2 years ago
é game né! hashasahshahahas
digozan 2 years ago
what game is this?
spacefannumber1 2 years ago