:: Corporation : Clinical Diagnosis (PCLR) ::

[cynt123able]

Great observation skeletonbite.

[roryphelan]

What is this clip taken from?

[Cindycllns]

You want evidence..live where I live

[organysntracey1]

Hmmm... interesting Mr. Friedman. Does that mean, since the supreme court has now defined a corporation as a "person" (and there's no limits on their campaign contributions) we can now hold them responsible? Or is that just for congress to get kickbacks for their lobbying efforts?

[futebolarte3]

why psychopathy should be considered a disease in the first place? Psychopathy fits very well into this amoral corporate world...

[skeletonbite]

I see a lot of comments saying that his analysis is inapplicable to corporations without providing any analysis or evidence.

Hare's examples are pretty legitimate if you look at the actions and values of corporations. Lying/manipulation, sense of entitlement, lack of empathy, failure to accept responsibility (worker exploitation/abuse, environmental polluting, planned obsolescence, toxic products etc.). All those characteristics are obvious and play off of each other.

[charredpalace]

Seems that he really wanted to tell the world of his opinions.

[THEOZZYFUL]

@MerulaMondlicht you just hit the nail right on the head

i shared your comment on facebook

hope you don't mind

[kcummings545]

Corporations are locked into psychopathic behavior because of their charters making them not responsible for people or the environment. Charters make them responsible only for the "bottom line," aka "profit." We the People can together change the charters' wording to make them responsible.

[kcummings545]

Corporations are locked into psychopathic behavior because of their charters making them not responsible at all for people or the environment. Charters make them responsible only for the "bottom line," aka "profit."

[ValeoMethod]

Just what I was looking for today. Boy, did I need to see this. More please.

[ValeoMethod]

What and amazing twist to big and demanding subject.

[CusterFlux]

... great little segment, and - might I add - an excellent demonstration of over-using Automatic Level Control.

[MrFaisel34]

There is a VOID in leadership at the University of Pennsylvania.

My friend is being target by a Psychopath on staff at UPenn.

Penn Officials: Someone needs to do what is right and stop fostering this evil person.

[turockandar]

The internet encourages psychopathic traits in many people due to anonymity and the ease of dumping or 'trolling'. His analogy between psychopaths and corporations is at least partially specious because as Adam Smith would agree the invisible hand which guides the market is an accepted motivator of our whole economic system..it is the balance between self interest and altruism that defines the human condition. Be guarded against a Manichean view of the world lest it over simplifies issues!

[catch22af]

I think we've identified the anti-christ...and we thought they were going to be flesh and blood..

[Swampymcswamp]

Very cultured man.

[i3ever]

Robert Hare call Psychopaths snakes but these snakes are what brings the money in for Robert, he has a very good job and makes lots of money studiying and talking about these snakes

I guess you should'nt bite the hand that feeds you, but then again would a psychopath feel upset at that seeing ad they dont have feelings?

lol

[Swampymcswamp]

I like what dr.robert hare has to say, Seems to understand what he is talking about. Alot of what he is talking about is what I would view as just devious behavior. Lol maybe sociodeviant should be a term invented.

[strongindie]

he is describing a french ex girlfriend of mine ......

[azulblueao]

Who is slade?, i think He is a psycho

[FIXWCBCANADA]

this really describes workers compensation board employees to a ;T; denial of medical care requested for injured workers by treating doctors; Injured workers who are denied medical care become disabled workers whose lives have been turned upside down due to the corporations BAD FAITH CLAIMS ADJUDICATION;

[Hivoyer]

I'm really annoyed by Robert Hare's generalisation.He's going too far saying ''all psychopaths do exactly this,then they do that,they are pure evil,they are empty inside''wtf it's an extremely unscientific approach?

[LordBifford]

5:10 Psychopaths think in the short-term, but not all corporations do. Look at companies like Microsoft that have grown steadily from nothing into giants over the course of decades. This kind of sustained growth requires an ability to think and care about the long term. It requires a realistic vision and discipline. If Bill Gates engaged in the self-destructive behaviors psychopaths often do, he'd have never made it out of his garage.

[LordBifford]

Not every corporation is an evil bloodsucker. If that were the case, we would all be in Hell right now, considering how much we depend on corporations for our services and stuff and our very jobs. Sure, you have your Enrons out there who rip off customers and laugh about it, but what about the many others that deliver reliable service?

[PlanetDip]

Where did this video come from?

[machbar]

@PlanetDip This video is one of the extras on disc 2 of "The Corporation" special edition. The feature length documentary develops the psychopath analogy because a corporation, under law, is considered a "person". The film asks, and Dr. Hare helps answer, the question: "If a corporation is a person, what kind of person is it?"

[Zhawq]

@observationspring ... Thank you for presenting this video!

In my opinion the analogy is obvious, but I had not expected anybody to actually verbalize it, except maybe for an obscure and unknown spare time writer such as myself with a blog in some corner of the Internet.

[SOYUNPINCHEBOY]

he is just saying that corporations give sociopaths a platform to excel, its the perfect environment for them to hide

[lpoi7]

Nobody of then wanted to talk about that, some of them were scared to talk,some of them try to tell me that im like one of those psychopaths and some of them try to scare me when i put this question on to them? im wondering what a hell am i one of them or they are? if any body can tell me pls write.

[lpoi7]

hi to everyone who is interrested in this subject. I have bpd, i was hospitalised 3 monts ago,i ve started styding my desies i was wondering what was wrong with me, but when i got to the subject like what is psychopath are there really those kind of people something hapend to all of the psychiatrits.

[LordBifford]

The term "psychopathy" is so often misused. Some people will toss this label at anyone they don't like. People have called Hitler and Stalin psychopaths. Some people have called Obama a psychopath. Now people are labeling corporations psychopaths.

It's unfashionable to call people "evil" or "demonic", so now we use this sciencey term.

[LordBifford]

I don't feel comfortable comparing corporations to psychopaths. It confuses the concept in people's minds. A psychopathic individual and a corporation of many people are not alike.

I know anti-corporates would enjoy this definition, but I wonder whether Prof Hare does a disservice to his own work. Psychopathy is not widely understood and the word is heavily misused.

[observationspring]

"A psychopathic individual and a corporation of many people are not alike."

Indeed. For example, corporations are much more powerful/influential, than individuals. However the singular *legal persona* of the corporation can and should be analyzed. That analysis is presented here.

[LordBifford]

@observationspring I wasn't talking about power, but behavior. Group psychology and individual psychology are different.

[LordBifford]

@observationspring Corporations are still made up of regular human beings, so they generally behave like any competitive group of people. You see these same patterns in the behavior of countries, street gangs, sports teams, etc.

[suckittrebek619]

@LordBifford But no one is advocating that these groups of people should police themselves.

[centurion180ad]

@LordBifford I am comfortable comparing corporation to psychopathy, because a known psychopath tax free foundation inbreed was responsible for crafting new corporation bylaws when Federal Reserve System staged its coup.

Sick-O inbreeds formulated corporation, to fully incentivize their own clinical impulses. Utter ruthlessness, total depravity, and homicidal inclination.

[WCBvictim]

@LordBifford ...oh ya what about all the fucking PSYCHOPATHS..at workers compensation..in ALBERTA

THEY GET PAID BONUSES TO CLOSE CLAIMS

[jmaytum]

@LordBifford I completely disagree. You would need to understand what a psychopath really is to understand how the comparison is very good. The man speaking in this video is the worlds leading expert in psychopathy. Also, most psychopaths are not serial killers etc. Most are also not in jail. The successful psychopaths run corporations, are lawyers, judges, psychiatrists etc.

[danielmurray04]

@LordBifford I think the point being made here is how a corporation acts and it's motivation. A corporation is not many people, it is one entity. It is the entity he is referring to. There are many similarities. It is an interesting point but perhaps not too ground breaking, we all know the first priority of a corporation is to make money.

[lgpyt]

@LordBifford You are correct, corporations are different from individuals, however corporations do indeed carry the same rights as individuals in the US. Maybe stripping them of this and legally treating them differently would allow for a better clinical definition. Until then, however, they are recognized legally as individuals so this diagnosis is legally relevant.

[LordBifford]

@lgpyt Diagnosing a corporation as psychopathic is not serious in a scientific sense. A corporation is a group. A psychopath is an individual. Group psychology and individual psychology are different things.

[ChelevSaRa]

To the people thumbing this video down, there's more of us than there are of you.

[SuperCatClaw]

I am very, very happy dr. Hare has spent so much of his life studying psychopaths, as I am one of many, who happened to meet a viscious one.

I've learnt a lot from him and I hope to learn even more!

I keep studying those evil persons, who keep destroying other people's lives.

[lukebutton]

I disagree with this video. I believe corporations are sociopaths. A psychopath may FEEL that he/she is entitled to certain rights over others. But a sociopath knows that he is not entitled to these things, yet he uses manipulative tactics to entice others to believe it. A sociopath knows exactly what he/she is doing to psychologically manipulate others, whereas psychopaths seem to believe things that don't agree with reality.

[mustardjunkie]

This guy is very conservative, he worked in the prison system for 35 yrs; very smart on this topic. Its important to read into it, he's the cutting edge on the subject.

[OutlawTomFantastic]

You could argue that cars are psychopathic because they too don't show remorse and don't have empathy for other people. Corporations/businesses just operate logically, which means they need to please the hell out of their customers if they want to succeed, and they also have to be very good to their employees to retain them. So in many ways corporations are remarkably caring for other people. The way he's trying to make this analogy is too simplistic and far off target.

[metalmike83]

What he's saying is that you need to adopt the persona of a psychopath if you're going to run a corporation - you can't care for any social responsibilities, or consequences - and you need only show superficial remorse when you get busted for extortion of Mexican immigrants. Even then, just throw money at the government and get away with it. Presidents need their campagns funded by corps so it makes sense that in return corps are able to find loopholes regarding ANYTHING.

[OutlawTomFantastic]

@metalmike83: Well then he's wrong if that's what he's saying. For long term success your consumers, your workers, and your business partners (suppliers, etc) need to trust you. The best a corporation can do is make a product and hope like hell you buy it. That's it. They can't kill or hurt anyone, same as you and me. Mind you I agree politics and government screws the whole free market system up. If it wasn't for their constant meddling businesses would be far more competitive.

[loggeronline]

@OutlawTomFantastic He's simply using corporations as metaphors in order for explain what a psychopath can be like. Corporations have a legal status that grants them property rights, but much like a psychopath, they can't be trusted to willingly assume the duties that come with those rights without being coerced by the State. Corporations can defraud, steal, kill, bribe, manipulate etc., and, like psychopaths, are incapable of feeling any remorse or empathy.

[OutlawTomFantastic]

@loggeronline Corporations are merely groups of people who share property. There is nothing wrong with group ownership. You know who else can defraud, steal, kill, bribe and manipulate? People. That's why we have these things called laws. If someone does stray they can be punished (and corporations stray even less than people - I have never known a corporation to kill anyone intentionally). Free markets and contract law keeps businesses in line very well. Regulations merely stifle innovation.

[suckittrebek619]

@OutlawTomFantastic That depends on how you define intent. If a corporation misrepresents the truth to pass safety regulations and someone dies as a result, I would consider that intent. Because if I drove my car knowing that my brakes did not work and killed someone, I would (rightly) be tried with vehicular homicide. Corporations do not face the same consequences, though, and deregulation is really just a way of putting them on the honor system. Ask BP if you want to know how that works out...

[OutlawTomFantastic]

@suckittrebek619 Say what now? A corporation can't pass safety regulations. They don't have the authority. Government, unfortunately, does try to pass safety regulations. Government should not be doing any of this, and the constitution gives them no authority to do so. As for BP, there are a billion regulations that they did follow and it failed. Nice job regulations. No, the mistake was the government giving them limited liability. With unlimited liability they would have been more vigilant.

[suckittrebek619]

@OutlawTomFantastic What does authority have to do with whether a corporation passes or fails safety inspections? If they only pass because they knowingly misrepresented, then that establishes intent which was my original point.

With BP, they did NOT follow safety regulations. Why? Because they didn't have to answer to anyone. They were in charge of overseeing themselves (thanks Bush!), so there was no incentive to spend money repairing problems they thought no one would ever know about. cont.

[OutlawTomFantastic]

@suckittrebek619 You said "pass safety regulations". I guess you meant inspections. Safety inspections should be private certifications, such as IEEE and Underwriters Laboratories. They are much more realistic and current than pathetic government attempts which are quickly outmoded. And yes, BP did follow the regulations by the government. They implemented the government mandated shutoff valve which failed. They also drilled where the government told them, instead of land which was safer.

[suckittrebek619]

@OutlawTomFantastic As for constitutionality, show me where corporations are granted any rights at all in the Constitution? Or where Congress is restricted from passing laws to regulate their behavior? Or (in BPs case for example) where foreign entities are granted any type of protection and/or rights?

[OutlawTomFantastic]

@suckittrebek619 Corporations are just groups of people who privately own a company. The constitution does not forbid this anywhere. The constitution is a document that limits what the *government* is allowed to do. The people have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (the government isn't supposed to limit their ability to create prosperity). BTW Almost every government official is in contempt of the constitution and should be arrested as traitors to this nation.

[suckittrebek619]

@OutlawTomFantastic They're made up of people, but operate far differently. And regulations aimed at keeping corporations honest in no way infringes on the personal rights of the owners.

Even if I were to buy your assumption that government wants to limit corporate prosperity, it absolutely DOES have that right if it is obtained illegally, used against the state, or if it puts the public in danger.

But this is a moot point, because our government is simply a PR firm for big business

[gert83]

You could also argue that corporations are cultish - employees are expected to follow a set of ideals and conventions - being competitive, being the best, delivering the best value etc.

This is usually based on some grandiose, narcissistic vision the founder or senior management have of themselves and their company, which is a projection of themselves.

[gert83]

The reason corporations are psychopathic is because they are run by psychopaths.

What's more they want to turn us all into mini-psychopaths - greedy, trivial, self centred individuals will consume in order to fill their grandiosity gap.

If corporations were promoted people who were a little less interested in immediate short term gain and the cultish deference of their underlings, they wouldn't be psychopathic.

[TheElectricDreamer93]

On a copy of the PCL-R I found online,I got a 19 or a 20.

[dreamtime182]

I wonder which one of you guys is a psycopath

[neocoders]

I wonder how many psychopaths are studying this?

[LordBifford]

Hare has done thorough examinations of psychopathic individuals, but what of corporations? Is he just speculating here? "Oh, I guess a corporation COULD be like the psychos I've investigated, if I think about them in a certain way."

[JuicyJerri]

Dr. Hare is one of the most sought after academics that understand the minds of a psychopath. He doesn't have to "guess". You can either take what he says at face value or leave it.

[karressmykorpse]

sort of ironic that hare claimed in his book that over-usage of hund gestures is a sign of psychopathy... Just a thought.

[davallara]

@karressmykorpse no, he said they (over)use hand gestures when talking about subjects, that should be emotional to them, such as parents, children and so on. I imagine it's difficult and tedious for them to be convincing, hence the use of hands, as if talking in a foreign language. :)

[karressmykorpse]

He actually said that they over-use them particularly in those situations... Still I'm pretty sure that Hare isn't a psychopath!!!

[jamiekrista]

@karressmykorpse

I was thinking that too!

[auburn722]

This is spot on the true psycopath is probably your boss and pretends to be your friend but really only cares about his needs but will never show this. They fire people who the fear can get in their way regardless if their a good employee because of their calous persona they are promoted form othe r pschopathic people usually their boss these people also pretend to be friends but only care about wealth all in all the pschopath is the root evil of society.

[NegativeNick]

Mr. Hare undermines himself a lot when he says "could a corp act this way? well i think so" he sounds like an outsider who is guessing about how coporations act, not someone who knows for sure, i imagine is book is more factually solid.

[mrktwn]

You undermine yourself a lot by not understanding how PR works.

[NegativeNick]

yeah well i'm not the one making claims am I?

and you undermine yourself by being a big stupid doodoo head

[mrktwn]

Well I might be a big stupid doodoo head, but Dr. Hare isnt making much of a claim either.

[CVKent317]

Well, he's apparently not trying to win the argument, simply lay out the information

[NegativeNick]

yeah but it still sounds like he's undermining himself by not knowing

[karressmykorpse]

You make it sound as if hare is some sort of retailer, when actually all he's doing is presenting a possible theory on psychopathy in relation to industry. He doesn't undermine himself he just sounds modest enough to be repected. Scientists do not sell theories, they simply present them and test whether or not they are accurate. I'm sure Hare would welcome any valid arguements against this theory as the more that is taken into account on psychopathy, the more likely we are to unsderstand it.

[GeneticIdentity101]

@ NegativeNick.. this man, who is in fact DR. Hare, is one of the prominent figures in psychopathy.

The reason he is doing this is because, as should be fairly obvious, that a corporation isn't a person by social policy; only by public policy. Rightfully so, a building isn't a thinking, breathing person. It's a comparison by parable..

[GeneticIdentity101]

Also worth noting, he has an Western Canadian accent which tends to be quite monotone which could explain why he sounds, by some standards, to be unprofessional.

[ClassicBlur]

The flip side of this is that we live in a society that breeds individual sociopaths. Difficult to remedy for sure.

[Capt777harris]

This man describes corporate America to a T. This psychopathic mindset has brought us to the brink of societal meltdown in terms of basic old fashioned values.

I think it's epidemic, and will destroy much of what society has built unless something is done.

[centurion180ad]

@Capt777harris Peter Drucker is exactly correct.

Any form of moral concern is an EXTERNALITY, which is grounds for //immediate// dismissal with prejudice for cause. This prime imperative was crafted into fundamental mass murdering Debt Syndicate bylaws by the inbreed founders of the new corporation.

[robbfuckingflynn]

... For a detailed account of the creation and rise of corporations read "life inc." by Douglas Rushkoff. This si only a quick glimpse.

[robbfuckingflynn]

... their power even though they were landless. Activities could now be overseen from a distance and people could now be oppressed from afar. The aim of these corporations was to bring enough money to the aristocrats and monarchs to keep them ahead of the middle class and in order to have such a narrow focus all other ways of measurement had to be excluded. Everything was measured by money and profits. This started the anti-social behavior that we see in corporations now...

[robbfuckingflynn]

Corporations are not made psychopathic "by the ethics and culture endowed by the people who run and own them". They are made psychopathic because of they way they were designed. The first corporations were designed by monarchs towards the end of middle ages. They were designed to keep the monarchs and aristocrats in power ahead of the newly evolving middle classes. They allowed the monarchs to profit off the labour of others from a distance and allowed the aristocrats to continue expanding ...

[gert83]

Milton Friedman is correct. Corps are artificial entities - they are made "psychopathic" by the ethics and culture endowed by the people who run and own them!

Having worked in many big corps, I am convinced that an element of narcissism in one's character aids career progression. Inevitably, in some individuals, this crosses the line into psychopathy.

Jeff Skilling, Dennis Koslowski, Dick Fuld, Sam Waksal and many others were all grandiose, trivial, fraudulent and ruthless.

[jamesyireland]

True but they must be held accountable for their actions. If an immoral 'business move' is made like for example, what Pfizer did in Nigeria, those responsible must be punished for their actions. Those individuals who conceive and carry out such illegal actions should be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law! Of course that's why the corporations created the LLC, which serves mainly to protect individuals from laws that would otherwise adhere to individual business practices.

[gert83]

Yes. It's a complex issue. I own my own company, and limited liability doesn't just relate to legal compliance, but also civil and financial statuses. Without Limited liability nobody sensible would ever start a company and borrow money.

Perhaps the whole system is fucked, and we need to revise our acceptance of the Darwinian mantra of competition.

Events such as the Credit Crunch will force the issue.

[phoenixfest]

Psychopath sees other people as "they ARE", pigs, fat and shit. As one of them told me: seems Dr Hare is naive idiot. Seems he blames us for transactions about people etc.. WHAT`s wrong in those?".

[Capt777harris]

A brilliant analysis of how disassociated thought creates misery among society. And a great parallelism of how individuals with this hardwiring problem can wreak havoc in their neighborhoods.

I thought I was the only one who had Dr. Hare's views. Glad to know I'm not alone.

[phoenixfest]

You not alone.

Actually, I didnt use to have his views or so, I just was face to face to a psychopath for 20 years with all worse results at the end of relations. If i had had Hare`s book on my table, I`d avoid disaster which our relation put me and other close people against.

[barcode9588]

It would be pretty funny if it turns out Dr. Hare himself is a psychopath. Just sayin'.

[ShmuelEhrlich]

What is the modern term for "jailhouse sissy?"

[adamrocks2006]

hehehe he is :)

[luckyvet]

This isn't totally correct.

Corporations are more like animals in nature, fighting for survival - but the people inside are not necessarily bad for working to put competitors out of business.

Its not much different than any of us pausing for 30 seconds to hear 50 people died in Iraq & forgetting about it 2 minutes later while channel surfing.

Although short term profits are needed for investors, anyone with business sense knows long term goal are Crucial for corps to survive.

[BayerLexan]

"Corporations are more like animals in nature, fighting for survival"

I don't see how that could possibly be a more accurate analogy, considering that Corporations exist in a total NON-natural environment. An organisms survival goals are completely unrelated to a Corporations goals of survival.

[michaelodwyer3]

I heard Proff Hare takes it up the "wrong un"

[stevenfreaken]

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those psycho's I had to kill because they jeopardized humanity.

[WestLake009]

HA....awesome, just awesome! I feel ya' 100%

[srang12345]

@stevenfreaken oh i wouldnt try...after hearing this maybe even you can imagine tht they ll get you before....

[yggdrasil89]

Wow this is awesome to see someone with the exact same name as me!

[Iconoclast020]

Now here he is, demonstrating his vast knowledge of psychopathy by relating it to the nature of a business, thereby presenting him as the foremost authority on the subject. Those interested will inevitably look him up to see what he has to offer and will eventually be lead through the doors of his own business... Can we say, crafty?

[Iconoclast020]

This coming from the same Doctor who requires that anyone looking to use his PCL-R exam make a trip out to Darkstone Inc headquarters and pay to be trained in the esoteric ways of using his instrument. The APA wanted to standardize the PCL-R once for the greater good of the medical profession and the advancement of psychopathy diagnosis, however he refused to relinquish the exclusive copyright he holds on it, presumably because it makes his own company a lot of money.

[keithellington]

wow, corporations are psychopaths! stay away from my kids, youtube!

[CaptainFF]

Dr. Robert D. Hare...my hero

[RevolutionaryJam]

It's not out fault! It's the market! If we don't cut jobs our competition will! It's not our fault, we have to dispose of our waste this way to compete, it's not economical for us to recycle, etc. etc.

[shivthirteen]

fuck everyone's a psycopath!!!!

[observationspring]

not really. however, whenever psycho attitude is cultivated, many more are.

[Hellbehert5767]

thats why psychopaths who are born,in childhood get other people in trouble from thier own behaviour.pathetic freaks

[RevolutionaryJam]

nope, thats a dangerous analysis

[observationspring]

realistic is a better description. look up stanford prison experiment, for example.

[RevolutionaryJam]

i meant on the part of shivthirteen, is dangerous to believe that "everyone is a psychopath" becuase then you stop discerning who is one

[crackerpopskikay]

@observationspring who was the psychopath there? zimbardo and the guards? zimbardo's a psychopath hahahah

[emosucklo]

He is saying as if hes a psychopath

[RevolutionaryJam]

read his booke Without Conscience, it's worth buying reading and lending!

[block28]

Very interesting.