@trademestuff...were Americans trying to send a message when they voted for Obama? Maybe they were always for Republicans all along...
Based on your completely insane argument, you lose either way...
..and since I'm an Auburn fan, I'll just assume that the AP voters really wanted us to win the national championship in 2004, but voted for SC to send a message....
No it's not, if your stuck in an undemocratic two-party system and want to send a message to the government that you are not happy with an agenda being proposed, you have to vote against the administration.
The problem was that voters were tired of the debate. Seeing nothing happening because of the Republican filibuster made them want to just tell the Democrats to stop trying and just pass legislation that both sides could agree on.
Apparently, they didn't realize that there IS no real legislation that both sides can whole-heartedly agree on!
dam this chris matthews interrupts howard dean like hell.....wut the hell is wrong with him? this is how most liberals r like with one another....they're always arguing with each other......
@dantro78 lol that was president bush and the members in congress who passed the bush tax cuts.....the rich ppl did earn their money and they do pay more in taxes than poor ppl....and the bush tax cuts did create steady economic growth....lol
polls are rubbish, just today i was called and asked about 30 poll questions. by the time i answered the first 10, i didnt care about my answers and just kept answering at random to get off the phone. i suspect thats what a lot of other people do too.
And the reason it's almost dead is not because "people don't want government involvement in our lives". People are perfectly happy with government involvement when it's Medicare, Social Security, environmental protection, food, water and product safety, infrastructure, education, police, fire, utilities, the military...
The reason it's almost dead is because four Senators who represent about 4 percent of the total U.S. population have decided that the rest of us aren't allowed to have a choice.
Wow okay. HuffPo didn't actually conduct the poll; the poll was done by NBC/Wall Street Journal. WSJ is liberal spew now?
Just so everyone knows, the polls I sent to johnnorvaisas showed 59.9%, 57%, 76%, 62%, and 56% support for the PO. The ones johnnorvaisas "respects" are the first and third figures. THOSE aren't "strong majorities"? How much more do you want?
I'd be happy to send the links to anyone who wants them, or you can just find them yourself through a Google search.
Even though socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. The Left think you are wiser than the collective intelligence of millions of free market decision makers. Sorry -No Way. Some socialist ideas that have failed here. Post Office, Amtrack, social security, medicare(Broke), Fanny Mae(Broke), Freddy Mac(Broke), welfare, Bailing out GM&Chrysler, Gmac,
Some socialist ideas that work here??? Can't think of any. I think it's a good idea to say NO to more of these expensive failures!
Last I heard, the post office and Amtrak are still running fine. Social Security and Medicare are fine too - just ask the millions of Americans who use them and have overwhelmingly positive views about them. Medicare's spending growth is lower than the private sector's, btw. Fanny and Freddy used to be govt. but they'd long been private by the time they went broke. Bailing out GM/Chrysler saved those companies and their workers. Even welfare has helped millions. I don't know what "Gmac" is.
Absolutely amazing. Howard is such an idiot, he had Matthews confused enough to speak logically. It takes a lot to get Matthews to spew commons sense. In fact, I think this is the first time I've ever seen it. It took Howard's completely inane argument to do it. How do guys like Howard spin so fast and hard without falling down from dizzynes?
I'm not usually a big fan of Chris Matthews, but he completely nailed Howard Dean on this one.
Dean is actually arguing that people in Massachusetts voted for the conservative because what they wanted was for Congress to be more liberal?! Riiiight.
You know your spin is reaching ludicrous proportions when fellow liberal Chris Matthews brings the hammer down on you. Voters wanted a progressive health care bill so they elected the Republican who promised to vote against it? Makes sense to me. . . I miss Tim Russert.
It's pretty obvious that Martha Coakley would've been another go-along-to-get-along-type Democrat, and would not have pushed hard for the public option. Now if I were an MA voter I wouldn't have voted for Brown either, but it looks like Coakley's defeat might actually make it more likely that a public option will pass. So I guess we should thank Coakley for losing that race for giving us the public option.
"3/5 of the 18% of the people that voted for scott brown" what the fuck is this guy talking about! thank god he doesn't practice medicine with that distorted brain.
Dean:"My poll shows what it shows" "You're being silly" "There's only one crazy person around here,if I hold up a mirror you might see him." "I've said what I said." Howard Dean has removed all doubt that he is a fool. He should have said off the air.
so let me get this st8.....the voters in mass. voted for a republican who wants to stop the health care bill and they actually support the policies of the democrats and their health care plans but were just trying to send a message that they were fed up with the status quo? so they voted for someone who doesnt hold the same values and beliefs as them? yeah, that makes sense. How can anyone actually support the democratic party when they do stupid stuff like this?
@Dolphinsrock81 Let's look at who's seat Scott Brown took: Ted Kennedy's. Ted Kennedy who has been trying to get health care through, on that same seat, for almost 40 years.
Now, he passes away and a special election is held to replace him and a Republican- who never had a chance in Massachusetts takes his seat. A republican that goes against the grain Kennedy's priorities
I think the fact that Obama gave 40 million new customers to the greedy health insurance companies cemented Brown's win.
The voters ALWAYS vote for the other party when they are disenchanted. They don't have to like the party, it's just a way of showing displeasure. Also, like Dean said, they voted to KILL the bill. They rather have no bill than that POS bill, and I feel the same. It doesn't mean they voted because they are Republican.
Scott Brown won't win reelection, and Howard will be vindicated. Chris Matthews is a tool, I think, after watching this
I am not a fan of Chris Matthews, but in this situation - I feel sorry for him. He's got to be thinking "Dear Lord, give me a commercial break so somebody can come out with a wheelbarrow and wheel this buffoon off the stage before I go APE!!!"
Matthews: I'm feeling a thrill trickling down my leg--it used to go up my leg, but this faux intellectual nitwit named Obama has caused the thrill to trickle down my leg, and onto the floor."
Dean: YEEEEEE-AAAAAAH!!!!!
Great conversation between two mental giants, who do not understand what voters felt, and saw their girl go down to a stunning defeat--caused by Barry Soertero's radical leftism & backroom, secret buyoffs of Representative's votes.What a bill !
The Democrats STILL will not listen to the public and its independant voice. At this pace, they will self distruct,and maybe thats a good thing. Bye Bye Nancy & Harry.
No - actually, we the majority LOVE government run healthcare. Every poll taken about the public option or medicare buy-in is very popular (60% or more). The republicans have been and continue to be out of touch.
@skdnow The majority of the American People don't want anything President Obama is proposing. It's all Bush's fault. I hope they all get buttons to wear before the November elections.
I think you mean 60% are against it where do you live Vermont?
I agree health care needs improvment but we don't need to destroy it with the government running it i'm sorry your dead wrong America is still very much center right and that's what makes us great.
If you want rationed garbage health care please move to the UK Canada or Cuba i know you would love to have the government hold your hand every step of the way.
Actually skdnow is quite right - every poll shows a majority (usually greater than 60%) favoring a public option. I was gonna post some polls but apparently YouTube doesn't accept links. But just Google it and you'll see what I mean. Or see how popular Medicare is - a GOVERNMENT-RUN, single-payer health insurance system - and how even Republicans refuse to get rid of it. Face it, when we do get government health insurance we love it.
@kjhuang Medicare should not be used as an example of what single payer/universal healthcare would turn out like. People like government healthcare when there is a robust private market in parallel to keep quality at a reasonable level and wait times relatively short. As a veteran myself, I can attest that when the government is providing by itself both become issues. That goes for while I was in the service and what I've experienced since getting out.
A private insurance market can and does still exist alongside Medicare, the same way private and public schools coexist. And of course I deeply care about improving quality and lowering wait times. I want to note, though, that with public health care people actually get to concern themselves with quality and wait times, whereas with our private system people don't even get to think about that because they don't get any access at all to health care.
@kjhuang You're wrong. Everyone has access to healthcare. Not everyone has access to health insurance. There is a difference. The government doesn't have to get into the insurance business to ensure that people who need health care have it.
There are two different things at play here and a lot of people confuse them. Care and insurance are different. We should make sure that people have access to some type of health care, but it's not the gov's job to make sure everyone gets health insurance.
You're right, but in practice it's hard to get access to care without insurance. The reality is those without insurance often can't get the kind of care (especially preventive care) that they really need. So the best (and cheapest!) way to make sure everyone has access to care is to make sure everyone has insurance.
@FrigidSymphony - Your point may be right, but if it is, aren't you saying that the voters of Massachusetts were crazy enough to sacrifice their ultimate goal in order to punish Obama?
Massachusetts people are pissed off that Obama couldn't get them the public option. So, to punish Obama, they voted for a Republican, missing the fact that the Republicans were the people who stopped them from getting the public option in the first place.
The idiocy is astounding, and Chris Matthews is a cretinous fuck. The only thing Dean was doing wrong was not being eloquent enough in delivering his opinion and letting Matthews yell all over him.
@FrigidSymphony - The people of massachusetts are pissed because OBAMA MAKES DEALS WITH STATES AND HE BOWED TO UNIONS. The unions supported Obamas healthcare plan, until they were to get taxed. Damn!!!
@FrigidSymphony - Why would someone who supports the healthcare bill vote fro someone who's against it? Is this Howard Dean? It's got to be. The majority of people don't want it.
ive made my share of chris matthews jokes over the years. almost all of them contained drooling references but i LOOOOVE this interview. Kudos Chris! keep it up and you may have a new viewer.
Dean is a moron!! He seriously thinks Brown won because voters want a socialist health care plan. WOW!! Thank God this loser never made it into the White House. I have never like Chris Matthews but he is right here - Dean is LOST on this subject. What a spin job by progressives!! Dean is right, they were sending a message but it's not America saying turns us into a bunch of socialists!! Can Dean be any more moronic???? I am shocked!
I love this video. LOL! I think what happened here is that Dean drank the koolaid that morning, but Chris forgot to drink his koolaid. So Howard kept repeating the talking points and Chris just wouldn't go along with it. LOL! What spin! They are going to spin themselves right of the cliff! LOL!
@zekewitz Typical. If you dont agree with them, you try to shut them up. Matthews asks very good questions! Hats off to him! Dean is a BLITHERING IDIOT!
THE PEOPLE OF MASS SENT OBAMA A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE. Chris is naive on this issue
A simple explanation:
No Cost Control Mechanism( Public Option) + Individual mandate + Fines (fee) = Another half-baked-of-a-loaf massive multi-billion dollar handout/ bailout bill for the private insurance industry EVERY YEAR !
Wow! Doesn't look like 'ol Chris has a tingle going up his other leg in this clip. LOL. He's about to blow a gasket. And I wonder what parallel universe Dean got his logic from. All's good...if they want to keep ignoring the voters we will see some real change in November.
@reignee11 The voter anger is there because Obama was planning on-and consequently did- give the Health insurance industry 40 million new customers, in lieu of the first step--public option-- to Private health insurance destruction.
How is Dean's logic fringe? Ted Kennedy has been fighting for Universal health care for 40 years and has never lost an election. Are you telling me that voters became Republican in one election cycle because the Democratic candidate was too liberal?
If you want to know why Vermont is the way Vermont is, remember that Howard Dean was their governor for 12 years. Imagine 12 years of listening to that. Also, this is what happens when you bring on a guest who's beginning to peak after he dropped acid. I hope Obama listens to Dean, by November of next year the progressives will disintegrate.
I find this so amusing. You can tell Matthews is so pissed that Scott Brown got voted in. He keeps asking how are the Democrats going to without 60 senators. I mean he's so mad, he won't even let Dean get a word in. He can't accept the polls, and that the voters put Brown in. The results, are the results Chris. Matthews just doen't want to believe in the guy with the barn coat- as he puts it.
If Democrats--and President Obama--proceed to the November elections by the same convoluted nonlogic and denial that "expert" Howard Dean is spouting here, expect a lot more Republican victories and a real political sea change. Drop this toxic, Quixotic healthcare bill, concentrate on the economy and employment, and the Democrats have a chance of maintaining power. Come in off the ledge, Howard.
Wouldn't it be easier to convince a liberal like Coakley to go along with the President and Congressional Democrats? How is it sending a statement that the people elected someone who is far less impressed with the current healthcare bill, and is the 41st vote against anything major that the President and Congressional Democrats want to accomplish?
If someone wanted Crokely, why didn't they vote for her? Dean's comments make no sense and so do the airheads who didn't vote for her. This is just dumb. I agree with Matthews, oddly enough, this doesn't make any sense.
You can tell Howard Dean doesn't even believe his crap. He starts to kinda smile while he's trying to come up with another lie to make up for all the other lies. LOL.
We need to round up all the lsd taking liberals and put them on a comedy show so they can never destroy people's lives again and we can laugh at them all the time which is the only thing they are good for. I have never seen more arrogance in all my life. If we go any further left we will be living in looney toon land where the crack head is king and anyone with any morals is the worst person in the world. Keep worshiping beheaders and insulting regular Americans that have questions about health.
I also think Matthews was pissed because of the way the vote turned out. Matthews does try to act objective here but he is a confirmed liberal. I think they were both mad about the election result. Dean tries to deny the reason for it and Matthews can't believe how it turned out. They are basically taking their frustration out on each other.
This is what we in academia call a "statistical anomaly." Dean is trying to explain the overall result through the lens of less than 6% of the votes. He's saying that of the 53% of voters who chose Brown, 18% had voted for Obama, and 60% (3 out of 5) of these wanted a public option. So that means .53 X .18 X .60 = .057 (just under 6%) are these folks who supposedly were "voting for more"! To then take this 6% and extrapolate that to explain the entire election is an abuse of the data.
what chris mattews missed, was that if coakley was reelected, the dems would have continued on the same path, and the ppl who wanted more progressive change wouldnt have happened. If brown wins, this will wake up the dem leadership before the 2010 election, and change the direction they are heading into. In that terms howard dean is right, bc if this warning had not been sent, dems would have not made the necessary changes for the 2010 elections, when it will be too late to do anything.
If 18% of those voted for Obama, and 60% of those supported a PO, then 0.18 X 0.60 X 1,168,178 = 126,163 voters
Coakley received 1,060,861 votes
If those 126,163 liberal Brown voters had voted for Coakley instead, that would've given her 1,187,024 . As 2,253,727 votes were cast, 1,187,024/2,253,727 = 52.7%, or a majority.
So yes, you could say that that 6% (actually more like 5.6%) was the deciding factor. And they weren't conservatives.
LOL. That is some funny sh!t. I never thought I would agree with Chris Matthews. wtf is Howard Dean talking about. stupid progressive fascists, the both of them.
I was just about to say the same thing I never thought Id actually agree with Chris Matthews. How hard is it for the left to understand that America just doesnt want their agenda? not just middle America, but EVERYWHERE in American including Mass.
....Matthews isn't supporting those people (sic) he is pointing out they don't support obamacare and his agenda by evidence of their vote....dean's a moron for trying to spin the unspinable....
@daisymom4 Well I heard Matthews say he supported Coakley; Matthews is a dem, and he supports all of them. I can't believe he's not embarrassed to sit there and say he supports Dean's & the dem's positions (health care) despite the fact that the dems are leading the country over a cliff. Matthews is smart to challenge Dean, but is he really because he supports all this nonsense- he voted for Obama.
Is Dean fucking serious? Who the fuck was he polling? Im sure the voters thought we really want healthcare so lets vote for the canidate whose entire platform i based on killing the healthcare bill. I am amazed that these people are able to get themselves in a position of power.
Liberals are good at Bitching and Moaning but they cannot Govern. They couldn't pass anything with 65 Senators and 300 Congressmen. 9:44 and the word Jobs was never mentioned. Watching Liberals chase their own tail for the next 11 months. Priceless !
I think this clip just proves how stupid the people are who are running the country right now. I'm way ashamed of these idiots. The Dems have been ignoring the public that's why they lost. I don't know anyone who thinks the terrorist trial is a good idea. I don't even know if I could call these dems. They are left wing lunatics. I feel like I need to put them on timeout or something.
Chris Matthews looks like he's having a break down. Dean looks like he's trying to lie about the election result. I think Dean is just showing how stupid he is. Who did he poll the ACORN people? These guys are both stupid. MSNBC has been stupid for years. Now they are just Jerry Springer. Where's the big bald guy to break up the fight. lol
Healthcare of individuals is none of the governments business. How much money people choose to make is none of the governments business. How I want my children raised is non of the governments business. The reason it is none of their business is stated quite plainly in the Declaration of Independence in the charges against King George. Those wacky dictator types never change.
Dean is a Dum-ass. Obama got his arse kicked in Mass. because of the obama lies of transparacy, putting the meetings on CSPAN, cutting deals with unions that normal people dont get, cutting back room deals with Senators to buy their votes and ignoring 65% of Americans who said the democratic Health care debacle is not needed or wanted. The only thing needed is some tweeking and not socializing medicine. How Teddy's death ended up being the death of Healthcare handed out by Dems in Mass !!!
Dean ASKED people. Matthews is saying what makes sense. Voting does NOT make sense, because people behave very different in masses than as individuals. Why are people being stupid about this? Why is Chris Matthews so stupid? Dean barely takes any position other than the factual truth of the polling - obviously he's pro-health reform.
Wow. Dean is batsh*t crazy. So... left wing socialist Democrats voted for Brown instead of Coakley because they wanted to send a message to Obama. Wow.
Dean is right, Matthews doesn't understand the details. Like Dean said, 80% of Obama voters that didn't show up for Coakley did so because they wanted a stronger healthcare bill and not the current one that caters to the corporations. A large percent of Obama voters that voted Brown felt the same. If enough people are pissed off at the majority party for not getting anything done, why would they vote for the party's candidate? A 12% switch was needed for Brown to win and he got it. Thanks Rahm.
@KornWasCool I get what you're trying to say. Why would they switch to a Republican though? Makes no sense. Write the senator if that's what you want; don't elect a REPUBLICAN. Listen to Chris @ 5:30 as he describes the scene very simply and logically. It seems like Dean wants viewers to believe via his spin that the progressive policies are what the people want no matter how the election had turned out. His argument wins no matter how the election turned out. Spin... Spin... Spin...
I agree that it was a dumb move for liberals to vote for Brown, but then again the only other choice (besides write-in) was a Libertarian.
Also, because a Brown win would've forced the Dems to go to reconciliation where they could pass a public option, you could plausibly say that a vote for Brown was a vote for the public option; don't know if voters knew that though.
Dean was saying that the public option was what people wanted but they didn't get it so they didn't vote; THAT's why Brown won
Sit back and watch Howard Dean talk out of his mouth and his ass at the same time. The typical circular liberal logic is brilliant, ignorant and pathetic all at the same time!! I hope America is beginning to see through nonsense!
Howard Dean sounds like he has truly flown the coop. What tea leaves is he reading? He's asserting that people voted for the anti-public option candidate because they are in FAVOR of it? Shouldn't he be wearing a helmet?
But then Dean said (and reiterated endlessly) that those who voted for Scott Brown did so because they disagreed with Brown's position on health care. That is hopelessly illogical, and defies reason. A vote for Scott Brown, who ran on a specific platform of defeating a government takeover of health care, was obviously not a vote in FAVOR of Obamacare!
Chris Matthews talks in circles, The fact is the majority of people in the US are against Obamacare and the libs are in denial. Argue all you want but the American people will work this health care debate out, not idiots from a poorly rated news show like Chris Matthews.
How many times did he use the word progressive? Read your history as to what this means. The liberals are changing their label hoping that most people are too ignorant to figure it out. Here's one interesting "progressive" agenda from the early 1900's - abolish the party system, which translated means a one party system with political education as the primary function of schools. Scary. Thank God most American are seeing the truth now.
Yeah but neocons are bad too. I'd like to see socially moderate and people who want to actually limit government's role like Scott Brown. But will Scott do what he promised? only time will tell.
you're right. i'd like to see that too. i'm hopefull. Its refreshing to see the non registered independents pushing things. thats what i am, i think most people are. i for one am tired of all the venemous langauge coming from mostly the left these days, from my perspective.
his logic in this clip is so bizarre, it was good to see matthews push him pretty hard. i'm in california, so we have pelosi and boxer to have fun with!
Matthews had no choice here. He had to challenge Dean or else Matthews would look like a blatant biased journalist. Matthews is left wing. There is no denying that. He just knows when to cut his loses better than Dean. Dean is what's wrong with the dems right now. Denial, lying, and blaming. Also ignoring what's in front of your face. People don't like the way govt is going. Dean is the poster child of what is wrong with the dems right now.
@pacanime1 Matthews should be ashamed to call himself a democrat still. Therefore, he's the bigger moron. Dems in the country: this is the crap that you are voting for. You should all be ashamed. Let's not forget that Obama is saying the same damn thing when he says people are still mad at Bush, therefore they voted for a man who may well be more conservative than Bush. This is who the dems are electing to "lead" the country (they are just leading the country over a cliff).
I hope Scott Brown will work for "we the people" & not "we the corporations".
But the recent Supreme Court Decision has convinced me I must join the tea parties as they're now ready to buy DC.
Too many of our elected officials are already working for Corporations (their spouses or other family members are on the Board of Directors or hold lucrative lobbying positions).
Barack has kissed Corporate ass as Bush did.
I encourage all to attend tea parties - WE MUST TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!
If the democrats had trouble passing bills when they have the 60 senate votes and the fillabuster proof vote I can't imagine this making it easier for them. Especially with the moderate democrats who are up for election in 2010
Chris trounced Dean's early spin attempt here, and rightly so. "I say you're being silly...", how delusional can he get? I think he may have redeemed himself for the "thrill up my leg" comment.
doesn't matter who stays home. it only matters who votes, if you stay home than you don't care enough to bother to vote. the people who care voted, and the people who care are the ones that count.
Dean is officially a moron. Anyone who thinks that the liberal stronghold of Taxxachusetts voted for a republican as punishment over voting for health care reform is delusional. Your average (read "Middle") person doesn't use this kind of contorted logic. Hard to believe this guy led the DNC at one point. Wait...
Coakley's numbers only really dropped after she was forced to support the Nelson bullshit....
As a progressive voter who lives in a state where we have a similarly close senate election coming up, I can tell you right now I will be staying home if they pass the current bill or if they accomplish nothing this next year.
Just as an example, the public option still polls incredibly favorably amongst the american public. What does NOT poll well is the individual mandate for health care.
People can see that an individual mandate without an alternative to private insurance just amounts as a huge transfer of wealth to the already richest 2% of americans and corporations.
People are sick of democratic bullshit and backroom deals, they want real solutions for problems not watered down corporate sellouts.
Dean dosen't know shit. We wanted change we got political iditos changing their own laws to get a Dem in. This is not the only factor tho. MA is mostly (besides popular demand) independent voters.
look out, these dummacrats are on a stampede back to the center, but the problem is everyone now knows that they are all a bunch of socialist, its been great to see this little smart ass nigger obama try to lie his way out of this, im suprised we havent had another speech with the echo machine turned wide open, obama days are numbered, mark my words it wont be long until the socialist pull out the old race card, just you wait and see
Welcome back the 'Know Nothings' Coakley lost because the Pubs jumped on her stupid gaffs - they appealed to the lowest common denominator - as they have since the Democratic takeover. The pubs (pubs in congress still have a 21% approval rating) wooed the fools who believe that if you have a truck, you're not a lawyer - but oh, boy, you're keen on terror! Makes you ashamed to be an American.
boulder, are you really that simple? Americans don't want single payer aka government run health care. can't you understand that? Polls have it 54% against and 35% for healthcare. Coakley lost because of Obama and the Dems SHOVING everything left down people's throat. Cap and Trade, Government health care and today looking to further restrict banks. People are tired of the arrogant -"We know what is good for you, you boobs" attitude.
Can't this guy just shut up and let the other guy talk for a second? Why does he even invite guests on? jeesh.
arivas713 1 month ago
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arivas713 1 month ago
twist it, turn it, twist it again, dean is a flip flop poll dancer
leonarddaccardi 1 year ago
Caligula was a saner leader than some of the bozos in Washington today.
DartmouthAlum96 1 year ago
So, in liberal socialist utopia, you vote FOR the person who promises to fight AGAINST your agenda.
Hmm...got it!
flizzleFlopper 1 year ago
If your in a two party system, if your voting against a candiate, you can only vote for the other one so Dean is right.
trademestuff 1 year ago
@trademestuff...were Americans trying to send a message when they voted for Obama? Maybe they were always for Republicans all along...
Based on your completely insane argument, you lose either way...
..and since I'm an Auburn fan, I'll just assume that the AP voters really wanted us to win the national championship in 2004, but voted for SC to send a message....
flizzleFlopper 1 year ago
@flizzleFlopper
No it's not, if your stuck in an undemocratic two-party system and want to send a message to the government that you are not happy with an agenda being proposed, you have to vote against the administration.
trademestuff 1 year ago
The problem was that voters were tired of the debate. Seeing nothing happening because of the Republican filibuster made them want to just tell the Democrats to stop trying and just pass legislation that both sides could agree on.
Apparently, they didn't realize that there IS no real legislation that both sides can whole-heartedly agree on!
nafaidni 1 year ago
Chris Matthews really is silly. Always. He was better in sports.
Melissaerb86 1 year ago 5
@Melissaerb86 Chris Matthews never worked in sports.
I'm not his biggest fan in the world, but let's keep a level here.
FixedNewsChannel 1 year ago
Chris matthews thought the cocaine in his intern's desk was a powdered sinus medicine.
Hurlman418 1 year ago
its called sarcasm, for christs sake, i know he's a doctor, but to the best of my knowledge he doesn't practice, thank god! get it now?
ninthave 1 year ago
dam this chris matthews interrupts howard dean like hell.....wut the hell is wrong with him? this is how most liberals r like with one another....they're always arguing with each other......
aznkent29 1 year ago
@aznkent29 Yeah, the liberals interrupt each other, while the conservatives give tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans and the special interests.
dantro78 1 year ago
@dantro78 lol that was president bush and the members in congress who passed the bush tax cuts.....the rich ppl did earn their money and they do pay more in taxes than poor ppl....and the bush tax cuts did create steady economic growth....lol
aznkent29 1 year ago
Chris Matthews is a cia puppet
starwarp 1 year ago
polls are rubbish, just today i was called and asked about 30 poll questions. by the time i answered the first 10, i didnt care about my answers and just kept answering at random to get off the phone. i suspect thats what a lot of other people do too.
zonedigit 1 year ago 2
And the reason it's almost dead is not because "people don't want government involvement in our lives". People are perfectly happy with government involvement when it's Medicare, Social Security, environmental protection, food, water and product safety, infrastructure, education, police, fire, utilities, the military...
The reason it's almost dead is because four Senators who represent about 4 percent of the total U.S. population have decided that the rest of us aren't allowed to have a choice.
kjhuang 2 years ago
Wow okay. HuffPo didn't actually conduct the poll; the poll was done by NBC/Wall Street Journal. WSJ is liberal spew now?
Just so everyone knows, the polls I sent to johnnorvaisas showed 59.9%, 57%, 76%, 62%, and 56% support for the PO. The ones johnnorvaisas "respects" are the first and third figures. THOSE aren't "strong majorities"? How much more do you want?
I'd be happy to send the links to anyone who wants them, or you can just find them yourself through a Google search.
kjhuang 2 years ago
Even though socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. The Left think you are wiser than the collective intelligence of millions of free market decision makers. Sorry -No Way. Some socialist ideas that have failed here. Post Office, Amtrack, social security, medicare(Broke), Fanny Mae(Broke), Freddy Mac(Broke), welfare, Bailing out GM&Chrysler, Gmac,
Some socialist ideas that work here??? Can't think of any. I think it's a good idea to say NO to more of these expensive failures!
johnnorvaisas 2 years ago
Last I heard, the post office and Amtrak are still running fine. Social Security and Medicare are fine too - just ask the millions of Americans who use them and have overwhelmingly positive views about them. Medicare's spending growth is lower than the private sector's, btw. Fanny and Freddy used to be govt. but they'd long been private by the time they went broke. Bailing out GM/Chrysler saved those companies and their workers. Even welfare has helped millions. I don't know what "Gmac" is.
kjhuang 2 years ago
Absolutely amazing. Howard is such an idiot, he had Matthews confused enough to speak logically. It takes a lot to get Matthews to spew commons sense. In fact, I think this is the first time I've ever seen it. It took Howard's completely inane argument to do it. How do guys like Howard spin so fast and hard without falling down from dizzynes?
hartness57 2 years ago
I'm not usually a big fan of Chris Matthews, but he completely nailed Howard Dean on this one.
Dean is actually arguing that people in Massachusetts voted for the conservative because what they wanted was for Congress to be more liberal?! Riiiight.
zeecee1 2 years ago
Listen up all you Liberal Marxists!
The Selective Service is calling you! You better register for the DRAFT assclows!
Oh! And don't even think about running to Canada asswipes! LMFAO!!!
How do you like that Hope & Change now!
Halftrac 2 years ago 3
You know your spin is reaching ludicrous proportions when fellow liberal Chris Matthews brings the hammer down on you. Voters wanted a progressive health care bill so they elected the Republican who promised to vote against it? Makes sense to me. . . I miss Tim Russert.
IlliniJay3 2 years ago
Communism never quits.
snowcloud 2 years ago
Waiter? Another round of Kool-Aid for the albino and the psychotic over by the video wall.
pkat 2 years ago 2
It's pretty obvious that Martha Coakley would've been another go-along-to-get-along-type Democrat, and would not have pushed hard for the public option. Now if I were an MA voter I wouldn't have voted for Brown either, but it looks like Coakley's defeat might actually make it more likely that a public option will pass. So I guess we should thank Coakley for losing that race for giving us the public option.
kjhuang 2 years ago
Your logic, or lack of same, is as amazing as Howard's.
hartness57 2 years ago
Do you know anything about reconciliation, or about the House-Senate negotiations that were going on before Brown's victory?
If so, you should understand what I'm talking about, and if you don't I'll be happy to explain it to you.
kjhuang 2 years ago
"3/5 of the 18% of the people that voted for scott brown" what the fuck is this guy talking about! thank god he doesn't practice medicine with that distorted brain.
ninthave 2 years ago 4
@ninthave lol he does practice medicine....wut r u talking about.....he's an M.D.
aznkent29 1 year ago
Dean is in denial
wolf3037 2 years ago 3
I love this interview. dean wants to spin it and lie, and matthews won't let him get away with it. nice to see dean getting grilled with truth.
WintersWar 2 years ago
To sum it all up. Democrats can not Govern.
chaumont20 2 years ago 5
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motorman857 2 years ago
I can understand the badgering, but I think Dean is completely right. The Democrats lost the base, the far left, badly.
perciusmercius 2 years ago 3
Dean:"My poll shows what it shows" "You're being silly" "There's only one crazy person around here,if I hold up a mirror you might see him." "I've said what I said." Howard Dean has removed all doubt that he is a fool. He should have said off the air.
tomwhit2227 2 years ago 4
so let me get this st8.....the voters in mass. voted for a republican who wants to stop the health care bill and they actually support the policies of the democrats and their health care plans but were just trying to send a message that they were fed up with the status quo? so they voted for someone who doesnt hold the same values and beliefs as them? yeah, that makes sense. How can anyone actually support the democratic party when they do stupid stuff like this?
Dolphinsrock81 2 years ago 13
@Dolphinsrock81 Let's look at who's seat Scott Brown took: Ted Kennedy's. Ted Kennedy who has been trying to get health care through, on that same seat, for almost 40 years.
Now, he passes away and a special election is held to replace him and a Republican- who never had a chance in Massachusetts takes his seat. A republican that goes against the grain Kennedy's priorities
I think the fact that Obama gave 40 million new customers to the greedy health insurance companies cemented Brown's win.
Seedofwinter 7 months ago
The voters ALWAYS vote for the other party when they are disenchanted. They don't have to like the party, it's just a way of showing displeasure. Also, like Dean said, they voted to KILL the bill. They rather have no bill than that POS bill, and I feel the same. It doesn't mean they voted because they are Republican.
Scott Brown won't win reelection, and Howard will be vindicated. Chris Matthews is a tool, I think, after watching this
Seedofwinter 7 months ago
matthews playing hardball with a liberal democrat....i just felt Satan getting a winter coat
newt0830 2 years ago 4
I am not a fan of Chris Matthews, but in this situation - I feel sorry for him. He's got to be thinking "Dear Lord, give me a commercial break so somebody can come out with a wheelbarrow and wheel this buffoon off the stage before I go APE!!!"
Obadiah50 2 years ago 3
@Obadiah50
Thank you alot---just like Howard Cosell said, "Telling it like it is."
Good post yourself!
BigBingFan 2 years ago
Dean: YEEEE-AAAAAAAAH!!!
Matthews: I'm feeling a thrill trickling down my leg--it used to go up my leg, but this faux intellectual nitwit named Obama has caused the thrill to trickle down my leg, and onto the floor."
Dean: YEEEEEE-AAAAAAH!!!!!
Great conversation between two mental giants, who do not understand what voters felt, and saw their girl go down to a stunning defeat--caused by Barry Soertero's radical leftism & backroom, secret buyoffs of Representative's votes.What a bill !
BigBingFan 2 years ago
@BigBingFan Excellent Comment!!!
Obadiah50 2 years ago
Half-crazy vs. completely bonkers
baraxor 2 years ago
Chris Mathews still feels a chill up his leg !
2BrokeG 2 years ago
The Democrats STILL will not listen to the public and its independant voice. At this pace, they will self distruct,and maybe thats a good thing. Bye Bye Nancy & Harry.
capligian 2 years ago 4
If Howard Dean really believes what he is saying and the other democrats also believe it the democratic party is toast. I love it.
jdheelfan 2 years ago 4
Dean is making a poor argument.
saltofearth60 2 years ago 2
I love to see these two pricks fight.
eheister2006 2 years ago 3
WOW !
lpgft 2 years ago
Come on Dean we the majority don't want government run health care!
johnnorvaisas 2 years ago 3
No - actually, we the majority LOVE government run healthcare. Every poll taken about the public option or medicare buy-in is very popular (60% or more). The republicans have been and continue to be out of touch.
skdnow 2 years ago
@skdnow The majority of the American People don't want anything President Obama is proposing. It's all Bush's fault. I hope they all get buttons to wear before the November elections.
chaumont20 2 years ago 3
Huh?
I think you mean 60% are against it where do you live Vermont?
I agree health care needs improvment but we don't need to destroy it with the government running it i'm sorry your dead wrong America is still very much center right and that's what makes us great.
If you want rationed garbage health care please move to the UK Canada or Cuba i know you would love to have the government hold your hand every step of the way.
Pack your bags!
johnnorvaisas 2 years ago
Actually skdnow is quite right - every poll shows a majority (usually greater than 60%) favoring a public option. I was gonna post some polls but apparently YouTube doesn't accept links. But just Google it and you'll see what I mean. Or see how popular Medicare is - a GOVERNMENT-RUN, single-payer health insurance system - and how even Republicans refuse to get rid of it. Face it, when we do get government health insurance we love it.
kjhuang 2 years ago
Show me a poll over 60% in favor of a public option and don't show me a Move on poll they are extreme left.
johnnorvaisas 2 years ago
I can't - for some stupid reason YouTube doesn't allow me to post links. I've just sent it to you as a message - let me know if it worked.
kjhuang 2 years ago
@kjhuang Medicare should not be used as an example of what single payer/universal healthcare would turn out like. People like government healthcare when there is a robust private market in parallel to keep quality at a reasonable level and wait times relatively short. As a veteran myself, I can attest that when the government is providing by itself both become issues. That goes for while I was in the service and what I've experienced since getting out.
rhettrongun 1 year ago
A private insurance market can and does still exist alongside Medicare, the same way private and public schools coexist. And of course I deeply care about improving quality and lowering wait times. I want to note, though, that with public health care people actually get to concern themselves with quality and wait times, whereas with our private system people don't even get to think about that because they don't get any access at all to health care.
kjhuang 1 year ago
@kjhuang You're wrong. Everyone has access to healthcare. Not everyone has access to health insurance. There is a difference. The government doesn't have to get into the insurance business to ensure that people who need health care have it.
There are two different things at play here and a lot of people confuse them. Care and insurance are different. We should make sure that people have access to some type of health care, but it's not the gov's job to make sure everyone gets health insurance.
flizzleFlopper 1 year ago
You're right, but in practice it's hard to get access to care without insurance. The reality is those without insurance often can't get the kind of care (especially preventive care) that they really need. So the best (and cheapest!) way to make sure everyone has access to care is to make sure everyone has insurance.
kjhuang 1 year ago
Implosion on the Left. Gotta love it.
After these two finished their respective rants, I pity the poor studio hand that had to mop up all the spit and slobber on the Hardball set.
TrooperRaven 2 years ago 5
@FrigidSymphony - Your point may be right, but if it is, aren't you saying that the voters of Massachusetts were crazy enough to sacrifice their ultimate goal in order to punish Obama?
guestofthepresident 2 years ago
Massachusetts people are pissed off that Obama couldn't get them the public option. So, to punish Obama, they voted for a Republican, missing the fact that the Republicans were the people who stopped them from getting the public option in the first place.
The idiocy is astounding, and Chris Matthews is a cretinous fuck. The only thing Dean was doing wrong was not being eloquent enough in delivering his opinion and letting Matthews yell all over him.
FrigidSymphony 2 years ago
@FrigidSymphony - The people of massachusetts are pissed because OBAMA MAKES DEALS WITH STATES AND HE BOWED TO UNIONS. The unions supported Obamas healthcare plan, until they were to get taxed. Damn!!!
veriteez 2 years ago
@FrigidSymphony - Why would someone who supports the healthcare bill vote fro someone who's against it? Is this Howard Dean? It's got to be. The majority of people don't want it.
veriteez 2 years ago 2
Conseratives have spoken!!!!
KonServGrammy 2 years ago 3
ive made my share of chris matthews jokes over the years. almost all of them contained drooling references but i LOOOOVE this interview. Kudos Chris! keep it up and you may have a new viewer.
brotherreece 2 years ago
LMAO! Matthews sed they need to "Tuck it in. Take it."
Only Dean can make himself look so foolish and entertaining at the same time. Dean sed "I dont know....I didnt follow this campaign closely."
LOL....I bet you didnt.
jwhat01 2 years ago 3
Dean is a moron!! He seriously thinks Brown won because voters want a socialist health care plan. WOW!! Thank God this loser never made it into the White House. I have never like Chris Matthews but he is right here - Dean is LOST on this subject. What a spin job by progressives!! Dean is right, they were sending a message but it's not America saying turns us into a bunch of socialists!! Can Dean be any more moronic???? I am shocked!
lyndilou0806 2 years ago 5
You are the best example of a moron I've run across in all my days. I guess it takes one to know one.
mraindog81 1 year ago
I simply cannot believe this. Dean are you REALLY that clueless??
I guess if you keep telling yourself the sky is green, it is green.
THEBossSound 2 years ago 4
Dean, who has the audacity to call someone ELSE "crazy" is simply repeating liberal talking points and making an ass of himself.
easttcobb 2 years ago 4
hey chris....SHUT THE F... UP!
zekewitz 2 years ago
I love this video. LOL! I think what happened here is that Dean drank the koolaid that morning, but Chris forgot to drink his koolaid. So Howard kept repeating the talking points and Chris just wouldn't go along with it. LOL! What spin! They are going to spin themselves right of the cliff! LOL!
Aprilmax010 2 years ago 4
@zekewitz Typical. If you dont agree with them, you try to shut them up. Matthews asks very good questions! Hats off to him! Dean is a BLITHERING IDIOT!
THEBossSound 2 years ago 4
THE PEOPLE OF MASS SENT OBAMA A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE. Chris is naive on this issue
A simple explanation:
No Cost Control Mechanism( Public Option) + Individual mandate + Fines (fee) = Another half-baked-of-a-loaf massive multi-billion dollar handout/ bailout bill for the private insurance industry EVERY YEAR !
teleutube 2 years ago 2
If the Dems keep on the same path they will be like lemmings....following their leaders over the cliff.
reignee11 2 years ago 5
Wow! Doesn't look like 'ol Chris has a tingle going up his other leg in this clip. LOL. He's about to blow a gasket. And I wonder what parallel universe Dean got his logic from. All's good...if they want to keep ignoring the voters we will see some real change in November.
reignee11 2 years ago 10
@reignee11 The voter anger is there because Obama was planning on-and consequently did- give the Health insurance industry 40 million new customers, in lieu of the first step--public option-- to Private health insurance destruction.
How is Dean's logic fringe? Ted Kennedy has been fighting for Universal health care for 40 years and has never lost an election. Are you telling me that voters became Republican in one election cycle because the Democratic candidate was too liberal?
Seedofwinter 7 months ago
Chris Matthews = Bill O'Reilly
mrchisdonovan 2 years ago
Wow. What a joke. Dean is in complete denial. How did this guy ever become a Governor?
LimaLand1 2 years ago 6
If you want to know why Vermont is the way Vermont is, remember that Howard Dean was their governor for 12 years. Imagine 12 years of listening to that. Also, this is what happens when you bring on a guest who's beginning to peak after he dropped acid. I hope Obama listens to Dean, by November of next year the progressives will disintegrate.
Obadiah50 2 years ago 4
I find this so amusing. You can tell Matthews is so pissed that Scott Brown got voted in. He keeps asking how are the Democrats going to without 60 senators. I mean he's so mad, he won't even let Dean get a word in. He can't accept the polls, and that the voters put Brown in. The results, are the results Chris. Matthews just doen't want to believe in the guy with the barn coat- as he puts it.
sven7456 2 years ago 5
If Democrats--and President Obama--proceed to the November elections by the same convoluted nonlogic and denial that "expert" Howard Dean is spouting here, expect a lot more Republican victories and a real political sea change. Drop this toxic, Quixotic healthcare bill, concentrate on the economy and employment, and the Democrats have a chance of maintaining power. Come in off the ledge, Howard.
hookalakah 2 years ago
Mr. Matthews Sir, FYI:
Any politician that has even rubbed elbows with the racist Obama has a stench on them, and because of that stench will be soundly defeated.
The ass whooping has just begun.
Take that to the bank.
.
jbjumpback 2 years ago
Wouldn't it be easier to convince a liberal like Coakley to go along with the President and Congressional Democrats? How is it sending a statement that the people elected someone who is far less impressed with the current healthcare bill, and is the 41st vote against anything major that the President and Congressional Democrats want to accomplish?
rustylee2007 2 years ago
It looks like the democrates are beginning to eat their own.
WideEyed2012 2 years ago 2
If someone wanted Crokely, why didn't they vote for her? Dean's comments make no sense and so do the airheads who didn't vote for her. This is just dumb. I agree with Matthews, oddly enough, this doesn't make any sense.
meigan258 2 years ago
Finally Chris acted as a jourmalist
mefisto706 2 years ago
Howard Dean should write himself a prescription for Prozac so he can deal with his issues better.
amia2009 2 years ago
You can tell Howard Dean doesn't even believe his crap. He starts to kinda smile while he's trying to come up with another lie to make up for all the other lies. LOL.
MotionFrequency 2 years ago
We need to round up all the lsd taking liberals and put them on a comedy show so they can never destroy people's lives again and we can laugh at them all the time which is the only thing they are good for. I have never seen more arrogance in all my life. If we go any further left we will be living in looney toon land where the crack head is king and anyone with any morals is the worst person in the world. Keep worshiping beheaders and insulting regular Americans that have questions about health.
MotionFrequency 2 years ago
matthews did an excellent job of throwing dean's spin right back in his face. dean is up there lying to protect the dem party. shameful.
WintersWar 2 years ago
@WintersWa
I also think Matthews was pissed because of the way the vote turned out. Matthews does try to act objective here but he is a confirmed liberal. I think they were both mad about the election result. Dean tries to deny the reason for it and Matthews can't believe how it turned out. They are basically taking their frustration out on each other.
pacanime1 2 years ago
This is what we in academia call a "statistical anomaly." Dean is trying to explain the overall result through the lens of less than 6% of the votes. He's saying that of the 53% of voters who chose Brown, 18% had voted for Obama, and 60% (3 out of 5) of these wanted a public option. So that means .53 X .18 X .60 = .057 (just under 6%) are these folks who supposedly were "voting for more"! To then take this 6% and extrapolate that to explain the entire election is an abuse of the data.
poforeman 2 years ago
@poforeman You have provided the perfect definition of phycho - babble.
chaumont20 2 years ago
psycho babble? I'm just trying to demonstrate how twisted Dean's logic is. How is that "psycho-babble"? If anything, Dean is the one babbling!
poforeman 2 years ago
what chris mattews missed, was that if coakley was reelected, the dems would have continued on the same path, and the ppl who wanted more progressive change wouldnt have happened. If brown wins, this will wake up the dem leadership before the 2010 election, and change the direction they are heading into. In that terms howard dean is right, bc if this warning had not been sent, dems would have not made the necessary changes for the 2010 elections, when it will be too late to do anything.
nader85021 2 years ago
The actual numbers:
Scott Brown won 1,168,178 votes
If 18% of those voted for Obama, and 60% of those supported a PO, then 0.18 X 0.60 X 1,168,178 = 126,163 voters
Coakley received 1,060,861 votes
If those 126,163 liberal Brown voters had voted for Coakley instead, that would've given her 1,187,024 . As 2,253,727 votes were cast, 1,187,024/2,253,727 = 52.7%, or a majority.
So yes, you could say that that 6% (actually more like 5.6%) was the deciding factor. And they weren't conservatives.
kjhuang 2 years ago
LOL. That is some funny sh!t. I never thought I would agree with Chris Matthews. wtf is Howard Dean talking about. stupid progressive fascists, the both of them.
m9hrj 2 years ago
I was just about to say the same thing I never thought Id actually agree with Chris Matthews. How hard is it for the left to understand that America just doesnt want their agenda? not just middle America, but EVERYWHERE in American including Mass.
tylercjcl 2 years ago
So who's the bigger moron- Dean for saying some stupid shit like that, or Matthews who supports these people???
Marie8675 2 years ago
....Matthews isn't supporting those people (sic) he is pointing out they don't support obamacare and his agenda by evidence of their vote....dean's a moron for trying to spin the unspinable....
daisymom4 2 years ago
@daisymom4 Well I heard Matthews say he supported Coakley; Matthews is a dem, and he supports all of them. I can't believe he's not embarrassed to sit there and say he supports Dean's & the dem's positions (health care) despite the fact that the dems are leading the country over a cliff. Matthews is smart to challenge Dean, but is he really because he supports all this nonsense- he voted for Obama.
Marie8675 2 years ago
Got to be the most stupid logic that I have ever heard!!
kmh196700 2 years ago
You so silly lol wtf
o8bit0hero 2 years ago
At 2:30 I think I saw Matthews a little sharp there!
Or, is Dean hat Fing stupid?
irishamrep 2 years ago
Is Dean fucking serious? Who the fuck was he polling? Im sure the voters thought we really want healthcare so lets vote for the canidate whose entire platform i based on killing the healthcare bill. I am amazed that these people are able to get themselves in a position of power.
matt41bw 2 years ago 3
Liberals are good at Bitching and Moaning but they cannot Govern. They couldn't pass anything with 65 Senators and 300 Congressmen. 9:44 and the word Jobs was never mentioned. Watching Liberals chase their own tail for the next 11 months. Priceless !
chaumont20 2 years ago
I think this clip just proves how stupid the people are who are running the country right now. I'm way ashamed of these idiots. The Dems have been ignoring the public that's why they lost. I don't know anyone who thinks the terrorist trial is a good idea. I don't even know if I could call these dems. They are left wing lunatics. I feel like I need to put them on timeout or something.
pacanime1 2 years ago 2
Holy Crap. Howard Dean is a total space cadet. He is getting shredded by a friendly. They would tear him up over at Fox.
If this is what passes for strategic thought in the Democratic Party they are doomed this fall.
godzillasmother 2 years ago
Chris Matthews looks like he's having a break down. Dean looks like he's trying to lie about the election result. I think Dean is just showing how stupid he is. Who did he poll the ACORN people? These guys are both stupid. MSNBC has been stupid for years. Now they are just Jerry Springer. Where's the big bald guy to break up the fight. lol
pacanime1 2 years ago 2
ROFLMAO you're funny!
irishamrep 2 years ago
Even dumbass Matthews gets it. The Dummycrats are imploding.
ObamaJugendFuhrer 2 years ago
Wow, Howard Dean just does not get it. He is absolutely clueless.
Lucidity337 2 years ago 4
@Lucidity337 - He is a dummycrat...
ObamaJugendFuhrer 2 years ago
I think we should push healthcare for terrorists..im sure they would get that through
ishikawaml 2 years ago 2
Howard Dean is an idiot.
brucewingman 2 years ago 6
another left wing nut job. Well will people like dean realize that voters dont want this public option.
Its up to democrates to scale back and try to move to more to the centre.
Im very suprised that even with the super majority, they couldnt pass health care. Wow, the democrats really are the "do nothing party"
chiliconcarne2006 2 years ago 4
Healthcare of individuals is none of the governments business. How much money people choose to make is none of the governments business. How I want my children raised is non of the governments business. The reason it is none of their business is stated quite plainly in the Declaration of Independence in the charges against King George. Those wacky dictator types never change.
FreeMeification 2 years ago
Someone needs to get Dean on some new meds whatever he is on is not working.
But he has always been a little out there has he not?
TheZachish 2 years ago 4
Dean is a Dum-ass. Obama got his arse kicked in Mass. because of the obama lies of transparacy, putting the meetings on CSPAN, cutting deals with unions that normal people dont get, cutting back room deals with Senators to buy their votes and ignoring 65% of Americans who said the democratic Health care debacle is not needed or wanted. The only thing needed is some tweeking and not socializing medicine. How Teddy's death ended up being the death of Healthcare handed out by Dems in Mass !!!
bearhunter987 2 years ago 2
Dean ASKED people. Matthews is saying what makes sense. Voting does NOT make sense, because people behave very different in masses than as individuals. Why are people being stupid about this? Why is Chris Matthews so stupid? Dean barely takes any position other than the factual truth of the polling - obviously he's pro-health reform.
SamuelRiv 2 years ago
2 idiots trying to out idiot each other
1074mitch 2 years ago 3
We have bigger idiots out there man
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
Wow. Dean is batsh*t crazy. So... left wing socialist Democrats voted for Brown instead of Coakley because they wanted to send a message to Obama. Wow.
jutywero 2 years ago 2
1st time i ever ageed with chris matthews
TruthForFREE 2 years ago 2
Wow, Howard Dean just showed how crazy he truly is.
MagnoliaShade 2 years ago 5
how so?
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
Dean is right, Matthews doesn't understand the details. Like Dean said, 80% of Obama voters that didn't show up for Coakley did so because they wanted a stronger healthcare bill and not the current one that caters to the corporations. A large percent of Obama voters that voted Brown felt the same. If enough people are pissed off at the majority party for not getting anything done, why would they vote for the party's candidate? A 12% switch was needed for Brown to win and he got it. Thanks Rahm.
KornWasCool 2 years ago
@KornWasCool I get what you're trying to say. Why would they switch to a Republican though? Makes no sense. Write the senator if that's what you want; don't elect a REPUBLICAN. Listen to Chris @ 5:30 as he describes the scene very simply and logically. It seems like Dean wants viewers to believe via his spin that the progressive policies are what the people want no matter how the election had turned out. His argument wins no matter how the election turned out. Spin... Spin... Spin...
rhettrongun 2 years ago 2
I agree that it was a dumb move for liberals to vote for Brown, but then again the only other choice (besides write-in) was a Libertarian.
Also, because a Brown win would've forced the Dems to go to reconciliation where they could pass a public option, you could plausibly say that a vote for Brown was a vote for the public option; don't know if voters knew that though.
Dean was saying that the public option was what people wanted but they didn't get it so they didn't vote; THAT's why Brown won
kjhuang 1 year ago
Sit back and watch Howard Dean talk out of his mouth and his ass at the same time. The typical circular liberal logic is brilliant, ignorant and pathetic all at the same time!! I hope America is beginning to see through nonsense!
strunzo1 2 years ago 2
Howard Dean sounds like he has truly flown the coop. What tea leaves is he reading? He's asserting that people voted for the anti-public option candidate because they are in FAVOR of it? Shouldn't he be wearing a helmet?
dseanmat 2 years ago 3
No Dean is making the claim that the current bill has no public option and that's why they are pissed off.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
But then Dean said (and reiterated endlessly) that those who voted for Scott Brown did so because they disagreed with Brown's position on health care. That is hopelessly illogical, and defies reason. A vote for Scott Brown, who ran on a specific platform of defeating a government takeover of health care, was obviously not a vote in FAVOR of Obamacare!
dseanmat 2 years ago
Chris Matthews talks in circles, The fact is the majority of people in the US are against Obamacare and the libs are in denial. Argue all you want but the American people will work this health care debate out, not idiots from a poorly rated news show like Chris Matthews.
1074mitch 2 years ago
They are against it because the public option was removed and it became watered down
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
How many times did he use the word progressive? Read your history as to what this means. The liberals are changing their label hoping that most people are too ignorant to figure it out. Here's one interesting "progressive" agenda from the early 1900's - abolish the party system, which translated means a one party system with political education as the primary function of schools. Scary. Thank God most American are seeing the truth now.
ninthave 2 years ago
Yeah but neocons are bad too. I'd like to see socially moderate and people who want to actually limit government's role like Scott Brown. But will Scott do what he promised? only time will tell.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
you're right. i'd like to see that too. i'm hopefull. Its refreshing to see the non registered independents pushing things. thats what i am, i think most people are. i for one am tired of all the venemous langauge coming from mostly the left these days, from my perspective.
ninthave 2 years ago
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FreeMeification 2 years ago
his logic in this clip is so bizarre, it was good to see matthews push him pretty hard. i'm in california, so we have pelosi and boxer to have fun with!
ninthave 2 years ago 2
Wow for once Chris Matthews is correct.
Reason why I voted for Brown was he wanted to kill the healthcare bill. Didn't vote for Coakley cause she wanted public option.
robm425 2 years ago
Chris gets it right sometimes
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
@ChaoticSouls
Matthews had no choice here. He had to challenge Dean or else Matthews would look like a blatant biased journalist. Matthews is left wing. There is no denying that. He just knows when to cut his loses better than Dean. Dean is what's wrong with the dems right now. Denial, lying, and blaming. Also ignoring what's in front of your face. People don't like the way govt is going. Dean is the poster child of what is wrong with the dems right now.
pacanime1 2 years ago
@pacanime1 Matthews should be ashamed to call himself a democrat still. Therefore, he's the bigger moron. Dems in the country: this is the crap that you are voting for. You should all be ashamed. Let's not forget that Obama is saying the same damn thing when he says people are still mad at Bush, therefore they voted for a man who may well be more conservative than Bush. This is who the dems are electing to "lead" the country (they are just leading the country over a cliff).
Marie8675 2 years ago
I hope Scott Brown will work for "we the people" & not "we the corporations".
But the recent Supreme Court Decision has convinced me I must join the tea parties as they're now ready to buy DC.
Too many of our elected officials are already working for Corporations (their spouses or other family members are on the Board of Directors or hold lucrative lobbying positions).
Barack has kissed Corporate ass as Bush did.
I encourage all to attend tea parties - WE MUST TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!
DillonX 2 years ago 3
If the democrats had trouble passing bills when they have the 60 senate votes and the fillabuster proof vote I can't imagine this making it easier for them. Especially with the moderate democrats who are up for election in 2010
robm425 2 years ago 2
Chris Matthews i disagree with most of the time but he is sensible at times, unlike Dr. Dean
macdaddye2k 2 years ago
Liberalism is a mental disorder,this man needs some serious help !
tommkatt7 2 years ago 3
Dean doesn't deserve a comment for that
35baptist 2 years ago
Chris trounced Dean's early spin attempt here, and rightly so. "I say you're being silly...", how delusional can he get? I think he may have redeemed himself for the "thrill up my leg" comment.
rhettrongun 2 years ago
Chris Matthews gets it, Dean does too but can't bring himself to admit on TV. Only one poll matters- the final vote count.
toddfi1 2 years ago 5
Again folks, the corporate shills writing these articles and hosting the shows fail to mention how many Dems simply didn't show up for the vote.
Chris Matthews was only the latest to trumpet this nonsensical view in his usual browbeating manner, this time directed at Howard Dean.
The assault on middle America has moved into high gear.
MrDavewitkowitz 2 years ago
The assault on middle America is what CAUSED a Republican to be voted in to "Ted Kennedy's seat" in the bluest of blue states, Mass.
Just heard that Air (aka, nobody listens to it) America is filing chapter 7!
LOL
nobody likes angry bitchy libs
Do you hear that, you no ratings Olberman?
kurtismaximus9 2 years ago
doesn't matter who stays home. it only matters who votes, if you stay home than you don't care enough to bother to vote. the people who care voted, and the people who care are the ones that count.
macdaddye2k 2 years ago
Dean is officially a moron. Anyone who thinks that the liberal stronghold of Taxxachusetts voted for a republican as punishment over voting for health care reform is delusional. Your average (read "Middle") person doesn't use this kind of contorted logic. Hard to believe this guy led the DNC at one point. Wait...
Hydrophish 2 years ago
Coakley's numbers only really dropped after she was forced to support the Nelson bullshit....
As a progressive voter who lives in a state where we have a similarly close senate election coming up, I can tell you right now I will be staying home if they pass the current bill or if they accomplish nothing this next year.
fleebenworth 2 years ago
Just as an example, the public option still polls incredibly favorably amongst the american public. What does NOT poll well is the individual mandate for health care.
People can see that an individual mandate without an alternative to private insurance just amounts as a huge transfer of wealth to the already richest 2% of americans and corporations.
People are sick of democratic bullshit and backroom deals, they want real solutions for problems not watered down corporate sellouts.
fleebenworth 2 years ago 2
Dean dosen't know shit. We wanted change we got political iditos changing their own laws to get a Dem in. This is not the only factor tho. MA is mostly (besides popular demand) independent voters.
jsh78mang 2 years ago
look out, these dummacrats are on a stampede back to the center, but the problem is everyone now knows that they are all a bunch of socialist, its been great to see this little smart ass nigger obama try to lie his way out of this, im suprised we havent had another speech with the echo machine turned wide open, obama days are numbered, mark my words it wont be long until the socialist pull out the old race card, just you wait and see
danosamo1424 2 years ago
confirmed: ...Dean has lost it
news2be 2 years ago
this reminds me of a story about an emperor....which had some new clothes. ;-) Dean is doing his best job of denying the inevitable.
I'm actually shocked that Mathews gave Dean an honest interview. Good for Chris, maybe he got the message as well.
wannabmayor 2 years ago
Welcome back the 'Know Nothings' Coakley lost because the Pubs jumped on her stupid gaffs - they appealed to the lowest common denominator - as they have since the Democratic takeover. The pubs (pubs in congress still have a 21% approval rating) wooed the fools who believe that if you have a truck, you're not a lawyer - but oh, boy, you're keen on terror! Makes you ashamed to be an American.
boulder440 2 years ago
boulder, are you really that simple? Americans don't want single payer aka government run health care. can't you understand that? Polls have it 54% against and 35% for healthcare. Coakley lost because of Obama and the Dems SHOVING everything left down people's throat. Cap and Trade, Government health care and today looking to further restrict banks. People are tired of the arrogant -"We know what is good for you, you boobs" attitude.
Too far left....we are NOT Europe.
This was Massachusetts
kurtismaximus9 2 years ago 2
Brown did that Cosmo shoot over 25 years ago. Whoopie.
Pimping his daughters? Come on, did you watch that comment? That was a joke. I am sure comedy is lost on an irritated individual like you.
Losing Mass. is like Ronald Reagan having to go to Utah to save Orin Hatch's seat.
Amazing.. and I hope all the Dems in office think like you do in that they didn't go far enough left and double up.
The massacre in Nov will be bigger than expected