This is the 3rd time Panucci screwed up in a major tournament.
In World Cup 2002, his sloppy clearance allowed South Korea to get an equalizer, and eventually the Italians fell to a legendary giant-killing by South Korea.
In Euro 2008, Panucci was responsible for this goal (he played Van Nistelrooy onside) and also for the penalty against Romania (which was thankfully saved by Buffon). Good riddance
i agree, in the books, this is a goal. But this is a rule they should change because if you watched the match, you would see that he'd been down for a while now, and if he was injured, theres nothing he could really do.
You guys need to see about the rules! If the player is off the field without permission of the ref, he is still an active player of the game. So, no Van Nistelrooy does not score in offside position.
if the player is not off the field when that phase of play starts then he IS playing everyone onside, as in this case, when panucci slid off the field seconds before
the rule say if a player goes out during the game (not when a refree stop the game) it's part of the game so there Panucci goes out for a contact with Buffon and it is part of the game.
(I know that my english it's so fucking bad but it's not my language)
@MARAin3rror Silly person, the player is NOT ON THE PITCH so therefore he is not playing van nistelrooy onside, he is not included in the referee's judgement. This means that the player IS OFFSIDE because there is no one playing him onside.
@trip3l2008 A player isn't allowed to go off the field without the permission of the ref. So if you go lie behind the goal line you are basically the last player and you are viewed as being on the pitch. This call was correct by the linesman. Different question is if the ref should have stopped play when someone is injured, but that's not the linesman's duty
HAHAHAHAHAHA who's theDumbFuck.. LOOK at the RULES of the GAME!
a Player when GOING OFF THE PITCH WITHOUT the permission of the Referee is taking part of the game... OTHERWISE it would be easy to put people OFFSIDE everytime a Free kick is taken.. everybody can just go behind the last line..
YOU ARE so ignorant! GO TO FIFA.com and look at the rules!
it is because the offside rule states that if a player from the opposing team is off the pitch (the italian dude) and there are no other defenders in front of the attacker (van nistlerooy) then it is offside. get your facts straight
So if a defender talks with the goaly, and he sees an attacker break through the defensive he can just simply walk off the pitch to make it offside?
THis is the correct answer:
From Minkki82 1 dag geleden
A player isn't allowed to go off the field without the permission of the ref. So if you go lie behind the goal line you are basically the last player and you are viewed as being on the pitch. This call was correct by the linesman.
"He has not been rule out yet. So it counts as offside. If he had got up and entered the field and blocked the shot, it would have been fair, right? So it is fair to call it offside as well." I really like this comment.
Actually the player does count for offside, he went down in action away from the pitch, than he is still in play. I he got injured, and than got off the pitch there wouldn't be a problem.
He has not been rule out yet. So it counts as offside. If he had got up and entered the field and blocked the shot, it would have been fair, right? So it is fair to call it offside as well.
@Chris86019 Actually, a player can never withhold himself from the game. In this situation, even when he's hurt. Keep in mind its by his own keeper, and not by a player of the Netherlands.
Fifa law 11.11 "A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position.
Such a defender is considered to be on the touch line or goal line closest to his or her off-field position. A defender who leaves the field with the referee's permission (and who thus requires the referee's permission to return) is not included in determining offside position."
@galexy21 rules of the game, when a player leaves the pitch without permission of the referee, he is still part of the game, wether hes on or off the pitch and therfore negates the offside.
he cant just go outside the pitch area..if he would not be counted as a playing player anymore, then everyone could use that tactic as an offside-trap, and that would be really unfair for every striker, so it is not possible. that is why he is still playing, and it was the right decision to accept the goal
so when u quickly step out of the line of the field u can actually avoid an opponent's goal? No, the keeper injured his own player, and the player went outside without the reffs permission, 100% clear goal.
@blackdawnx Although if the player has left the field without the consent of the referee, which he has, he is still in play. Go read the rules of the game.
if the player is outside the field without the referee's knowledge/permission, he is deemed to be still in the field and the offside will follow to wherever the last man is standing.
Oh look at thise cute boy trying to be a little rash on Youtube.
Perhaps you hate soccer because you are too stupid to play it?, yeah, sure, all soccer players got a girlfriend, or, at least a friend, and someone like you, it's the one that need a life.
Why would they come up with such a weird regulation? Imagine you are a defender, close to your goal, and too lazy to keep the opposing striker offside by running ahead of him all the time...instead, you decide to step off the pitch, and pretend you had to tie your laces, or were injured...this would put the striker offside (since you are off the pitch, and now there's only the goalie between the striker and the line, which puts him offline the moment the ball is passed forward his way)
The player is counted as being on the goal line, and therefore on the pitch (even if he's clearly lying 3 meters behind the line). That means that the goalie and him are the two opposing players between the striker and the goal line...if the player had left the field with the refs consent (usually happens when play is stopped, eg before a corner or free kick), the player would NOT count as on the pitch. In this situation, it would be offside (only one opposing player between striker and goal)
"an opposing player cannot be offside when one of the last two defenders has left the field of play" ....the goalkeeper is no defender !!! it's offside !!
@hunterbeta the goalie is counted as a defender for offside purposes...two defenders usually means the goalie and an additional field player (since the goalie is usually very close to the goal line)...but, it could be two defenders as well. Example? Your "expert" goalie misjudges a corner kick or high pass into the penalty box, failing to intercept it. In this case, the goalie quite often is not one of the last two defenders (could be the 2 guys who stood at the inner posts during the corner)
This is the 3rd time Panucci screwed up in a major tournament.
In World Cup 2002, his sloppy clearance allowed South Korea to get an equalizer, and eventually the Italians fell to a legendary giant-killing by South Korea.
In Euro 2008, Panucci was responsible for this goal (he played Van Nistelrooy onside) and also for the penalty against Romania (which was thankfully saved by Buffon). Good riddance
fszron 2 weeks ago
anyone who watches this and thinks the italian is playing the dutch onside needs to be takeen to a dark room and get a severe kicking.
robwelsh41 2 weeks ago
hoe lelijk haha
FloRieJan 3 weeks ago
@Coripha
i agree, in the books, this is a goal. But this is a rule they should change because if you watched the match, you would see that he'd been down for a while now, and if he was injured, theres nothing he could really do.
ramkazma5 3 weeks ago
1:14 is the most funniest part.
OperaNano 1 month ago 4
@OperaNano And the best part is 1:26
kingjohn144 2 weeks ago
Thats not funny..
CallofANTDOM 1 month ago
You guys need to see about the rules! If the player is off the field without permission of the ref, he is still an active player of the game. So, no Van Nistelrooy does not score in offside position.
Dltn1978 1 month ago
if the player is not off the field when that phase of play starts then he IS playing everyone onside, as in this case, when panucci slid off the field seconds before
mattcfc67 1 month ago
are you dumb , they player has to be in the feild !
behboad 2 months ago
@behboad are you dumb,he needs permission from the referee to get off the field otherwise he is still an active player
WhackARat 1 month ago
oh wait I didn't see that :/
oskarzoubou 2 months ago
he is not off filed beacause referee doest giv him permission to
mtarakma 2 months ago
its a picture not a vid, so upload it to some image website you fucking twat. half a chromosome off downes i think so
weatherallc05 2 months ago
he is outside of the field - offside!
SoilderK123 3 months ago
i'm a refree ad i agree it's not offside
ManuelLombardi22 3 months ago
@ManuelLombardi22
so you are a refree who doesn't know the rule... :(
gildouche1 3 months ago
@gildouche1 @McBane10 Read up on the rules. Even though he stepped "OFF" the pitch, he is still considered "in play"
Have a google of a few articles about the rules.
hansmelb 3 months ago
@gildouche1
the rule say if a player goes out during the game (not when a refree stop the game) it's part of the game so there Panucci goes out for a contact with Buffon and it is part of the game.
(I know that my english it's so fucking bad but it's not my language)
ManuelLombardi22 2 months ago
So what, it was 3-0 anyways. If it would be 1-0 then i understand the discussion, but Italy didnt stand a chance that evening.
2LQ2 3 months ago
my face : -.-
gmanbaseball5 3 months ago
I stared at the picture for a minute and i still couldnt tell what it was
gmanbaseball5 3 months ago
in the past was no offside but now it is not offside
MrMoi1979 3 months ago
wtf i thought i typed in youtube into the address box not google images
deandj109 3 months ago 2
he isnt on the pitch, so how can he be included in an offside decision?
McBane10 3 months ago
@McBane10 are you stupid? read the comments below explaining it...
MARAin3rror 3 months ago
@MARAin3rror Silly person, the player is NOT ON THE PITCH so therefore he is not playing van nistelrooy onside, he is not included in the referee's judgement. This means that the player IS OFFSIDE because there is no one playing him onside.
McBane10 3 months ago
maak jij zol lang een filpje voor een foto PPPFF
nadir7379 4 months ago
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stupid getarippper [aka dosent know any thing]........
vlady1818 4 months ago
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vlady1818 4 months ago
Hey loser. If a player is off the field, he doesn't count for off-site. Learn the rules before you post this!
RuudPen 4 months ago
@RuudPen He does, learn your rules. He went off the field by his own.
1904Milan 4 months ago
He's off the field DumbFuck
trip3l2008 4 months ago 24
@trip3l2008 A player isn't allowed to go off the field without the permission of the ref. So if you go lie behind the goal line you are basically the last player and you are viewed as being on the pitch. This call was correct by the linesman. Different question is if the ref should have stopped play when someone is injured, but that's not the linesman's duty
Minkki82 4 months ago
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Machil77 4 months ago
@trip3l2008 so if the whole defence just stood outside the field it the game would keep getting off sides
Alphaigniter 3 months ago
@Alphaigniter Yeah unless they time there run before the half way line!
trip3l2008 3 months ago
@trip3l2008 was a new rule at the EC, players off the field still count as on the field, DumbFuck
M2ovies 2 months ago
@M2ovies So if a players off the field with for example a broken skull and recieving attention hes holding everyone on side ay? DumbFuck
trip3l2008 2 months ago
@trip3l2008 yup, that was the rule on the EC.
M2ovies 2 months ago
@M2ovies Thats kinda stupid!
trip3l2008 2 months ago
@trip3l2008 read the offside rules, does not matter
jandoedelkees 1 month ago
@trip3l2008 You are worlds biggest mistake.
ThomasSlagt3r 1 month ago
@ThomasSlagt3r You being born was the biggest mistake.
trip3l2008 1 month ago
@trip3l2008 thats the whole joke.... "DumbFuck"
96MacSte 1 month ago
@96MacSte oh my smd ;D
trip3l2008 1 month ago
@trip3l2008
HAHAHAHAHAHA who's theDumbFuck.. LOOK at the RULES of the GAME!
a Player when GOING OFF THE PITCH WITHOUT the permission of the Referee is taking part of the game... OTHERWISE it would be easy to put people OFFSIDE everytime a Free kick is taken.. everybody can just go behind the last line..
YOU ARE so ignorant! GO TO FIFA.com and look at the rules!
Coripha 3 weeks ago
@Coripha oh my people still commenting on this
trip3l2008 3 weeks ago
it is because the offside rule states that if a player from the opposing team is off the pitch (the italian dude) and there are no other defenders in front of the attacker (van nistlerooy) then it is offside. get your facts straight
dem270 4 months ago
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@dem270
So if a defender talks with the goaly, and he sees an attacker break through the defensive he can just simply walk off the pitch to make it offside?
THis is the correct answer:
From Minkki82 1 dag geleden
A player isn't allowed to go off the field without the permission of the ref. So if you go lie behind the goal line you are basically the last player and you are viewed as being on the pitch. This call was correct by the linesman.
Machil77 4 months ago
are you using donkey's brain
IVANGEBER 4 months ago
it is offside ! he lays out of the field.
Littleninjap0wner 4 months ago
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where is 0:25?
FMmadness 4 months ago
where is 0:25?
FMmadness 4 months ago
@FMmadness in your comment
theonlyonimod 4 months ago
@theonlyonimod that you quoted
FMmadness 4 months ago
Should rename in .jpg
LGy95 4 months ago 2
no offside
MultiKlojo 4 months ago
Off the pitch = OFFSIDE
lordloss156 4 months ago
it wasnt the dutch fault. it was the referee. what about the other 2 good goals that holland scored
forza italia
soloscriptura1 4 months ago
Dickbrain !!!
AMGRULEZ 4 months ago
It is offside as the italian was Off the pitch.
glissem 5 months ago
@glissem No hes not. Just because he is outside the lines does not mean that he isnt on the pitch.
Joricky12 4 months ago
wow nice vid man well done....
hijratje 5 months ago
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"He has not been rule out yet. So it counts as offside. If he had got up and entered the field and blocked the shot, it would have been fair, right? So it is fair to call it offside as well." I really like this comment.
TheDitsayothin 5 months ago
Actually the player does count for offside, he went down in action away from the pitch, than he is still in play. I he got injured, and than got off the pitch there wouldn't be a problem.
JRS030 5 months ago 2
He has not been rule out yet. So it counts as offside. If he had got up and entered the field and blocked the shot, it would have been fair, right? So it is fair to call it offside as well.
severusss77 5 months ago
omfg 1 minute look to a picture @ youtube is not 4 picture,s
jessebeeseme 5 months ago
nice goal, totally not offside since a player is lying behind the goalline.
People who says it is offside, should not watch soccer. Leave it to real guys
thecurse98 5 months ago
@thecurse98 idiot. he's not on the pitch
2510941 5 months ago
Powned !!!
Klootzak020 5 months ago
lol players not on the pitch doesn't count as an offiside !! idiot !!!
SuperRealmadridboy 5 months ago
YOUTUBE NOT FOR PICTURE'S ... !! DAMN !!
SekarangTahun2011 5 months ago 74
and this picture last 1:26 min ... omg
doimetri2 1 month ago
omg you tube is not 4 pictures
jessebeeseme 5 months ago
the lines man.. is a woman..
IHUNTURHP 5 months ago
ya hes off the field hurt! so it doesnt count as off sides! if u play soccer like i do u would know that! so no off sides fair goal
MikeAvey14 5 months ago
if the last person is over the backline.. he is off the field.. then van nistelrooij is offside :S
ricderks 5 months ago
@ricderks Euhm, no! Read the rules!
2psah 5 months ago
@2psah if someone is hurt and lies behind the goal he does not count as player so it is actually off-side
Chris86019 5 months ago
@Chris86019 Actually, a player can never withhold himself from the game. In this situation, even when he's hurt. Keep in mind its by his own keeper, and not by a player of the Netherlands.
2psah 5 months ago
@Chris86019 but if you watch moving footage, he was never acknowledge as injured, as he was hurt only seconds before the goal.
mooseman881 5 months ago
He was hurt so he lays at the side of the field
I saw the game
jwz040psv 5 months ago
zmarnowałem minute dwadziescia szesc sekund mego zycia ogladajac ten flim
:> Łapencia w góre kto polak
MrMaxyMalny 5 months ago
447k views? O.O
vorakwadh 5 months ago
the art of videos. HAH.
tonyt0ny 6 months ago
Fifa law 11.11 "A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position.
suckieduckie 6 months ago
@suckieduckie its a joke
dannyrolvink97 5 months ago
Such a defender is considered to be on the touch line or goal line closest to his or her off-field position. A defender who leaves the field with the referee's permission (and who thus requires the referee's permission to return) is not included in determining offside position."
suckieduckie 6 months ago
It is not offside the player did not get permission to leave the pitch. So the player laying on the ground is still in the game.
MrRobin1991 6 months ago
omg, there's a vagina chasing the goalie?
Alertum 6 months ago
hahahaahhahahaahahahahahhaahahha
jappafish 6 months ago
Errrm rules of the game, if a player is off the field he is not legally in action so he was offside. Case shut.
galexy21 6 months ago
@galexy21 rules of the game, when a player leaves the pitch without permission of the referee, he is still part of the game, wether hes on or off the pitch and therfore negates the offside.
suckieduckie 6 months ago
who puts a picture on youtube for 1:26?
SuperMartysmarty 6 months ago
Dude that girl got really big ones try pressing 6!
SkikProductions 6 months ago
omg so action packed
andrewchip11 6 months ago
Who other has pressed number 3!!!
LeoMessi2005 6 months ago 77
@LeoMessi2005 i dont get it ;/
EenNJOi 5 months ago
@LeoMessi2005 you got me !
Shqipo04 3 months ago
@LeoMessi2005 wats that suppose 2 mean
me16739 2 months ago
@me16739 There was a top comment :"Press Number 3 It is funny as shit" And I wanted to know how many victims ;)
LeoMessi2005 2 months ago
how did this get lots of views
chaboomzx 6 months ago
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i loled at 0:32
kakapyksid 6 months ago
HAHA!!
swedmovies478 7 months ago
@paulcowie95
he cant just go outside the pitch area..if he would not be counted as a playing player anymore, then everyone could use that tactic as an offside-trap, and that would be really unfair for every striker, so it is not possible. that is why he is still playing, and it was the right decision to accept the goal
torpeedo1 7 months ago
PLease go cry by you're mama!
For all the dumbasses who can't see the joke of this :p
It's ment to make people laugh not an serious perspective
buffon007police 7 months ago
go play some chess fool
offside don't mean layin outside the field..
ARROGANTTT 7 months ago
gta ripper you are a mongol
kennysm1998 7 months ago
he's out of the field so he isn't offside
F0ck93 7 months ago
yes he is cuz the italien player is off the game
sidislimane83 7 months ago
that italian player is injured dumbass he is not in the game dont know anything about football
randyahmed1 7 months ago
@GTARIPPER dont know anything about football
TheSynsterRev 7 months ago
xD
civerwey 7 months ago
its offside, the player isnt in the field
kamau199 7 months ago
so when u quickly step out of the line of the field u can actually avoid an opponent's goal? No, the keeper injured his own player, and the player went outside without the reffs permission, 100% clear goal.
twinshadowzz 8 months ago
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ha ha ha
eavoi 8 months ago
he's off the pitch, so he's not in play :'(
davidlofgren96 8 months ago
i dont remember this game having a dark circle
lootordie 8 months ago
hij hoort gewoon te tellen hoor:p
vangasteltje 8 months ago
he is off the pitch and is therefore out of play, so it is offside, learn the rules before you complain
Scottcampbell1995 8 months ago
@Scottcampbell1995
Too bad the Fifa begs to differ.
Hollandrulestheworld 7 months ago
@Scottcampbell1995 no because he didn't go off with the refs permission, learn the rules before you tell others to.
caseydotman 7 months ago 2
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Scottcampbell1995 8 months ago
this has 352 too many likes
adam12081041993 8 months ago
The player out side off the field doesn't count lol
fotballfanatic 8 months ago
@fotballfanatic he does, because he's just eating a Big Mac.
Timotjuhhhh 8 months ago
he's offside beacause the italian player is out off the line
TheMMboy111 10 months ago
it's close but i think he's offside lol
hiephoi058 10 months ago
whe does it have to be 1:26 min?
TheSebas275 10 months ago
look theres mcdonalds at 0:01 and 0:46..
ziegenwirt 10 months ago
The best part is in 0:23
ronenkyian 10 months ago
if the player is outside of the field he doesnt count. go read on the rules of the game.
blackdawnx 10 months ago
@blackdawnx Although if the player has left the field without the consent of the referee, which he has, he is still in play. Go read the rules of the game.
rob83x 10 months ago
for me guys, i like the part at 1:17. awe-fucking-some!
999LightBeam666 11 months ago
Italy=Berlusconi ahahahahahahahahahah
mrDemonioify 11 months ago
yes we understand it after 10 seconds
letssokky 11 months ago
at the smallest box in the penalty box, the last defender is goalkeeper...
so, no offside...
watch mexico's offside vs south africa... you'll know the difference
mamangas121995 11 months ago
this video hasnt got 1:25,btw pause at 1:02 its so fucking funny........
4evermetalmaniac 11 months ago
xD Yes
Dasrollbrett263 11 months ago
so.....
farhanarif2196 11 months ago
boo no video
f1pirate 11 months ago
The highest rated comments were good. All you others are just killing it
Tkgoal 11 months ago
1:04 is the best!!! xD
macherdavid 11 months ago 2
Hey, is that Nigel de Jong at 0:47?
R1S9S9R1 11 months ago 3
How do we even no he's even playing in the fame? Maybe he got benefits nd was resting
YoshoPicka 11 months ago
I like the part were nothing happens
jawdy1 11 months ago
Great vid man!!!
no.
woutarts 11 months ago
press number 3 constantli.
it is funny as shit
mr0good 1 year ago 59
if the player is outside the field without the referee's knowledge/permission, he is deemed to be still in the field and the offside will follow to wherever the last man is standing.
ReggaeZal 1 year ago
hes not involved with the play so hes not off
vuzedfg 1 year ago
it's not our fault panucci felt tired and in need of a nap that day.
dsdan83 1 year ago
this is the best funniest video ever man i love how people have commented good and lovely stuff about this video i rate it 10 out of 10 well done
Rapidz4ak 1 year ago
it moved at minute 11:11
Andresmessi100 1 year ago
its not offside the player is not in the field
lolbroek581 1 year ago
You guys fail. It is NOT offside when the player is not IN THE FIELD!
nrt98 1 year ago
I like the part when he scores
Zennairrr 1 year ago
des is nur die ganze zeit ein einziges bild - was soll der schaiß!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
valentinhecht 1 year ago
omg 0:47 is so funny
J0KJE 1 year ago 3
LOL
qsador 1 year ago
this should have way more views than 385,000.........fantastic vid mate (not being sarcastic, i seriously like this vid, i really do)
ihussain81 1 year ago
bad vid the worrest i ever see
MrPetje0p 1 year ago
OMG the best part is 1:09 haha
stijntjuhh17 1 year ago
I think the tape stuck at 0:23
MyChyol 1 year ago
its not offside because soccer is gay. get a life idiots.
brad1441 1 year ago
@brad1441
Oh look at thise cute boy trying to be a little rash on Youtube.
Perhaps you hate soccer because you are too stupid to play it?, yeah, sure, all soccer players got a girlfriend, or, at least a friend, and someone like you, it's the one that need a life.
ForceOfLight 1 year ago
thats not offside if the player is out the field...
xeddie927x 1 year ago
Why would they come up with such a weird regulation? Imagine you are a defender, close to your goal, and too lazy to keep the opposing striker offside by running ahead of him all the time...instead, you decide to step off the pitch, and pretend you had to tie your laces, or were injured...this would put the striker offside (since you are off the pitch, and now there's only the goalie between the striker and the line, which puts him offline the moment the ball is passed forward his way)
JFP84 1 year ago
The player is counted as being on the goal line, and therefore on the pitch (even if he's clearly lying 3 meters behind the line). That means that the goalie and him are the two opposing players between the striker and the goal line...if the player had left the field with the refs consent (usually happens when play is stopped, eg before a corner or free kick), the player would NOT count as on the pitch. In this situation, it would be offside (only one opposing player between striker and goal)
JFP84 1 year ago
"an opposing player cannot be offside when one of the last two defenders has left the field of play" ....the goalkeeper is no defender !!! it's offside !!
hunterbeta 1 year ago
@hunterbeta the goalie is counted as a defender for offside purposes...two defenders usually means the goalie and an additional field player (since the goalie is usually very close to the goal line)...but, it could be two defenders as well. Example? Your "expert" goalie misjudges a corner kick or high pass into the penalty box, failing to intercept it. In this case, the goalie quite often is not one of the last two defenders (could be the 2 guys who stood at the inner posts during the corner)
JFP84 1 year ago
Oh ho ho ho...
It is funny because it is not offside!
SUSAltd 1 year ago
its no offside
bojtas23 1 year ago
If a player is off field injured.... He doesn't count has a player at that time... o0
jankdi 1 year ago
@all the disbelievers or whatever you wanna call it:
The Player was in the game laying outside of the field, watch: watch?v=YxliFuzw4Fk&feature=related
SjoerdReligion 1 year ago
huh i dont get it
EredivisieLIVE2020 1 year ago
damn. ive watched it three times, and i still didnt see it. im too fcking slow!
BufasB 1 year ago
u do know if the player is on the floor injured outside the field he is not counting as a player
unlivable1 1 year ago
0:33 i think i saw buffon winked
TheMrBaSSa 1 year ago
stupid italian, get up your most likely fine lol
bluedragon636 1 year ago
@bluedragon636
an American who comes to football ahahah
Fuck! you are stupid
Sanada92 1 year ago
i like the part in the 116th minute where iniesta nailed that goal....... suckers!
Kwood4 1 year ago