Bogosity Ep. 4: The War on Drugs REMASTERED Pt. 2

[Gameboygenius]

3:42 - 3:50 Joke targeted to stoners detected!

[theanvilcracks]

Maybe we should ban donouts, and then just sit back and watch the cops get fired for buying black market donuts in the alleyway...

[RaustBD]

I wonder... is there anyone who can be considered the "al capone" of the war on drugs?

[theanvilcracks]

@RaustBD Harry Anslinger, I guess... Although he was more like the father of doom to be honest..

[ralfjacobs]

i have smoked weed and didnt like it.

i bought it in a shop next to a clothing store :P

yeah you might have guessed it i live in the netherlands.

if people give you the choice of drugs than you wont get the "oh im doing a bad thing" kick out of it, and it gives you a honost opinion about the drugs. after that you can decide yourself if you want to keep using it or not.

if i was american i would support the legalisation of these so called softdrugs.

tabacco and alcohol kill more people

[tetleydidley]

also i don't think you're right when you say that the black market doesn't have the incentives to make their products safer. drug dealers don't have the incentive to kill their clients, especially if the market size stays constant at 1.3% as you claimed.

[shanedk]

@tetleydidley That's not their market size; that's just the addicts, but there are a lot more drug users than that. Not all drug users are addicts, you know.

[tetleydidley]

you really should cite your sources...

[shanedk]

@tetleydidley They're listed in the credits at the end.

[DahStranger]

The survey in which students have easier access to marijuana is a good start, but is there any survey that puts other drugs into the mix?

[BacklTrack]

@DahStranger Then im sure you'd get a different statistic. With drugs that release dopamine like cocaine and (meth)amphetamine, you'd get a much higher percentage of addicts. But with traditional psychedelics you'd get around the same statistic I'd think.

[HailCthulhu]

I have no problem with the banning of donuts. How else will I make my blackmarket fortune?

[Albukhshi]

screw that-I'll be the one making a fortune.

Donut gang wars!! :P

[HailCthulhu]

Here, have a complementary fishhead.

[Albukhshi]

lulz.

[interstate317]

2 things

one expert said the number of drug users since 1970 has gone from 4 million to 110 million, while another said its stayed the same at 1.3%; someone is wrong.

Also, I have a question for Shane. Every one in this video advocating legalization of drugs also advocates government regulation, how do you feel about that Shane?

[shanedk]

The first figure is drug USERS; the second is drug ADDICTS. Two different statistics.

Of course I'm going to prefer free market regulation to government regulation.

[RaustBD]

I think thunderf00t made a video pointing out that lack of government regulation is what caused the financial crisis partially.

[shanedk]

And I debunked it.

[Kakarot21591]

Yeah, and he's completely wrong about it.

[gfogus]

I have always been for the war on drugs but I have always been looking for an intelligent discussion on the topic. Your video made me think.

At the end you said: "The free market has an incentive to [set safe levels]; the black market doesn't". I agree but can you show me what to read to show that the free market has such incentives? I have a friend who doesn't believe me.

Also, what would you say to someone who says that the free market has already set safe levels for cocaine: zero?

[Fernoe]

i suppose you could argue that with free market drugs, if a certain brand of drugs were harmful, then that brand would get a bad reputation. also with legal drugs, it's possible to know which brands are being sold, which companies are producing, what shops are supplying them and where the raw materials are grown, all of which can affect the reputation. With the black market, all of that information is easily kept secret.

[fredflint75]

Legalising drugs condones the use of them! Just like selling kitchen knives condones stabbing yourself in the face with it! Plus if leagalised why would the major corporations selling them want to make them so dangerous people will die using them or get so f**ked up by them they can't keep a job so they can't afford to buy more of them!

[ZamatoElite]

Then that is their problem. In a free society you are responsible for your own well being.

"Freedom is choosing your burden."

If you don't like it, then America probably isn't for you. Perhaps North Korea?

[fredflint75]

I fully condone the legalisation of drugs! I was in fact commenting on the drug enforcement agents illogical comments! I also don't believe in any such thing as a "gateway drug"! The most dangerous drugs are perscription drugs e.g ritalin which the US goverment is indirectly trying to force the majority of its children onto. As for N.Korea, whats worse knowing you're not free or living the illusion you are? As most of the the people in western society do!

[ZamatoElite]

"None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe that they are free."

[xNAgff]

Can't wait for doughnuts with hog dewormer mixed in. Thanks, Shawn!

[SouthernRaisedAtheis]

they can take my donuts when they pry it from my cold dead jaws!

[ccaptorchen]

lol you got jokes =D

[Baronesa1980]

From a legal point of view.... legalize is the best option... you cripple the drug cartels, they suddenly have to pay taxes!!, the Estate can control quality, and doses, and use the money from the taxes with rehabilitation when and if needed...

Great videos...

Hugs from Chile

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

What are the sources for the 1.3%?

And don't give me that "research it" crap.

Link me. :3

[shanedk]

I got them from the Drug Policy Alliance.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

Thanks, Shane. :)

[WhiteJarrah]

Further: in your David Percy video you say the moon hoax is the dumbest bogosity ever, here you say the War on Drugs guy is dumber than the moon hoax people. Which is it?

[civver3]

Do you know what the meaning of the word "exaggerate" is?

[shanedk]

I should--I've read the definition a million times!

[WhiteJarrah]

Did you even ask a moon hoax theorist what he or her thought of the war on drugs before making this video?

I can't speak for the others, but it has been my personally belief for many years now that drugs should be legal. I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, and I only drink occasionally, but if you ask me the illegal drugs are no more unhealthy than alcohol and tobacco and should be legalized. Perhaps sold with those little warning labels like they have on cigarettes.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

Eric's ideas = lies.

Gateway "theory" = slippery slope.

[CENSOREDFORSEX]

I am absolutely for all drug legalization (although I have never done any of it myself), but I would say that if you smoke pot (or drink or smoke tobacco for that matter) you would be more likely to want to try or know somebody who does do harder drugs, but that is just my opinion and I can be swayed.

[ZamatoElite]

Ok, then sway into a meat grinder and do us all a favor.

[OnwardsAndUpwards777]

One of the problems with legalization in the modern era is that there's too much media coverage. If there was an attempt to legalize pot we'd see every saintly mother talking about how her son or daughter jumped out a window while high on weed (forget the fact that they were sniffing glue too).

[TheProf1988]

thats exactly why everybody needs to be well informed about this whole issue, then no one can be excused for ignorance

[TBTabby]

It doesn't help that they tend to assume that everyone who's for the legalization of marijuana is a pothead who wants to get high without being arrested. Thanks a lot, Woody.

[Teirusu155]

your videos do have interesting details I never thought to consider, even though I use similar concepts for Gun Control laws (which I am against) so I am considering my opinion seriously :)

[rockandrock44]

Hahahaa 4:27 to 4:58 was hilarious. Shane, you're awesome.

[11mc22]

lets ban donuts

[wormbaby79]

I love that even in recent history it is easy to find people who have overdosed on water, also known as hyperhydration, and not one person EVER has overdosed on pot. Yet our goverment warns us of the fatal effects of one but not the other!

[SwordSworn147]

I know this is asking a lot but can I get some links for the info in this video. the D.A.R.E program comment for sure. I am thinking about writing something about this for my college course.

[flamablesteve]

What does a caffeine overdose look/feel like?

[shanedk]

From what I've heard, it's horrible. Imagine the worst headache you've ever had, with your digestive system trying to get it all out. It lasts until the caffeine is out of your system.

[flamablesteve]

The war on drugs should probably be more akin to the "war on tobacco". Its legal, but there's more of a cultural push to lower usage. And its pretty damn effective. Probably more effective then making it illegal. Also, its a hell of a lot less expensive.

[wswordsmen]

What was cut between "if tomorrow someone publishes a series of papers to show that marijuana is a much more dangerous drug" and "then I will say it is a better reason to legalize it."

time is ~6:00 into the video

[shanedk]

Here's the whole video:

watch?v=9KLy150NR_U

[km6xz]

It is very difficult to counter the lobbies working for the prison guard unions, no politician would agree to cutting out that source of income, just as they would never cross Big Pharma.

I live in another country now after being a 5th generation Californian and find that most countries have been able to prevent large special interests( corporations and trade associations) from controlling the power of government to control them, except the US which is increasingly dominated by them.

[km6xz]

Opening elections to multiple parties and adopting a proportional representation system like in Europe or in most democracies would help, plus greatly increase diversity of ideas to solve problems. The US should have dozens of viable parties, not just two indistingishable parties, both beholding to large donors for their political lives. Even Russia has a wider range of parties in the Duma diversity of thought than the US.

[AncelDeLambert]

I got lucky, I guess. The DARE program in my school was pretty tame. I think the farthest they got was to tell us to be careful what we popped in our mouths, because those "candies" were probably pills. No raiding daddy's cabinet.

[detriplex]

With your sense of humour you make things more simple and enjoyab3e...

Thanks man

[soulinite]

great video!

[Licmycat]

Big Pharmacuetical companies are nothing but drug dealers and now their drugs are even more dangerous than the ILLEGAL ones!!

[shanedk]

They certainly can be, but it's not as problematic because they have a better incentive for safety than the black market does. It's still pretty bad, though, because of government corporatism which protects huge profits and stifles competition, but that's beyond the realm of this video's subject.

[Licmycat]

Yes. But these are great vids...Good Job! And ThXs!

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

*coughFDAcough*

[Nightmare060]

Please tell me your not an anti-vax conspiracy theorist -.-.

[Licmycat]

What's "anti-vax"?

[Nightmare060]

It's a conspiracy theorist movement spreading false information and scare tactics against many vaxinations against variouse vaxines (sorry of I'm spelling that wrong). They are suggesting that swine flu vaxinations are poisening people and cause autism.

Search for the Concordance video "The dose makes the poisen" for good information on that. there have also been a few lecture clips from the Amazing Meeting 7 on James Randi's channel.

[Maskedbird]

My IQ before use was 143. And after two years of use, 145. Guess my brains were fried. And also I never had the desire to smoke cigarettes or do anything else. Why did I stop, random drug testing at work.

[shanedk]

IQ can vary several points either way based on a number of factors. Two points is hardly compelling evidence of anything one way or the other. My guess is that the drugs didn't affect your IQ at all, either beneficially or adversely.

[Extraintrovert]

Treating drug addiction as a medical problem instead of a criminal problem? It seems so simple, yet so few support it.

Now I see why you put this subject into your videos.

[rbowden123]

Maybe the fact that drugs cost money, and when people get addicted they spend every cent they earn on their addiction, when they run out of money they turn to robbing stores or homes, where people can be injured or killed, these things are illegal, so the result of drug addiction can end up in jail time! whether you legalise it or not, or bring the price down, some people will still commit crime to get their next hit.

[shanedk]

Then why don't they do that with alcohol or tobacco, which are far more addictive?

[rbowden123]

People dont usually loose their job because they are addicted to nicatine. I have seen on the news someone breaking into a liquor store through a skylight and steal bottles of whiskey, so i guess thats evidence that they DO do that for alcahol, and alcahol is a legal drug! The fact that people dont lose their job from smoking a pack a day, or maybe more, supports the fact that they can actually afford to support their habbit. no one ones to employ someone who uses meth or ecstacy etc. etc.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

So I suppose these folk don't realize that illegal drugs are inflated in price by about 10 to 100 times (second figure from "Why gov't doesn't work" by Harry Browne). That's a pretty big price increase.

[Extraintrovert]

rbowden123:

Your comment contains a large amount of assumptions (addiction may lead to poverty, may lead to crime, may lead to violence etc.) and your argument is essentially that because there are people who commit crimes because of their addiction, all addicts should be criminalised, which is not only highly ineffective but also just plain idiotic. I suggest assigning more thought into your future posts, as it will greatly assist your positions.

[rbowden123]

I think that your ignoring the facts ... drug addiction can lead to poverty, and to ignore that is just rediculous, the mental side effects of some harder drugs can be such that the addict does not or cannot hold down a job, hence it DOES lead to poverty, these are not assumptions, they are observations! a little more insight into some of your future posts may be helpful to you. Sending them to rehab will not be as effective as jail time, because they are likely to start using once finished.

[shanedk]

How is jail going to help AT ALL? What is prison going to do other than take someone who at least wasn't harming anyone else and turn him into a hardened, violent criminal?

[rbowden123]

If someone was arrested for having drugs on them, and the quantity implied it was for their own use, then I doubt they would go to prison for very long, or even go to prison at all (this is here in australia atleast), however if they are caught with ammounts that imply that they were dealing the drug, then they ARE hurting others, by providing illegal substances that can cause irreversible mental side effects. Jail can atleast force them to go cold turkey (if they cant get ahold of any in jail).

[Extraintrovert]

"...if they are caught with ammounts that imply that they were dealing the drug..."

You are making assumptions again. People should be punished because of their actions, not extrapolations.

"Jail can atleast force them to go cold turkey"

Even if that were true, once this hypothetical person is released from jail there is nothing stopping them from beginning their habit again as the reason for their drug use has not been addressed, which is the purpose of rehab.

[shanedk]

This is utter fantasy. There are probably more drugs in jails than there are on the streets.

[rbowden123]

Sorry, but not all jails are like the ones you see in Americas hardest prisons.

[Extraintrovert]

"these are not assumptions, they are observations"

You are correct, and my argument requires adjustment (I should have obeyed my own advice); I was referring to your assumption that the scenario you described applies to ALL drug users instead of a subset, which is on what your argument supporting the criminalisation is based and why I described it as idiotic.

Yes, drug use does lead to crime, however it is not always the case and punishing all drug users is at the very least unfair.

[rbowden123]

Yeah, I hear what you are saying loud and clear, and there are instances when drug users are caught and they serve no jail time, and are put into court ordered rehab ... but for some people, all the rehab in the world cannot help, and the only thing that can be done is take preventative measures ... i.e jail time ... this is primarily to protect the community of the anti social and dangerous behaviour of drug addicts, it makes perfect sense if you use reasoning.

[Extraintrovert]

"...it makes perfect sense if you use reasoning"

But you HAVEN'T used reasoning. You've merely ASSUMED there exist drug users that cannot benefit from rehab, ASSUMED that imprisonment is a viable alternative because you've ASSUMED that they pose a risk to other members of society and then applied these ASSUMPTIONS to the general population. It would be reasonable if you provided EVIDENCE, but you haven't.

[rbowden123]

well you are assuming that I am assuming ... i have had first hand experience with drug addicts, thats why I can say all these things with confidence and its also why i can say that i have come up with this through observation. Yes it would be prefferable to come up with the name of a study that has all of this in writing, but I cant (dont know how to find them). It seems as if you dont have a good grasp on reality if you think legalising drugs wont give the impression its okay to use.

[Extraintrovert]

"i have had first hand experience with drug addicts"

Even if that is true, the experiences of one person are hardly conclusive evidence.

"It seems as if you dont have a good grasp on reality if you think legalising drugs wont give the impression its okay to use"

More assumptions. Not once have I supported legalising drugs, and indeed the ONLY thing I've supported is treating drug use as a medical problem instead of a criminal one. You're the one without a good grasp of reality, not me.

[rbowden123]

You seem to be missing my point, I think that drug users who commit violent crimes or commit robberies as a result of their addiction should be sent to prison, this is purely because they have broken the law and they should be punished ... on the occasion that someone is addicted and do not pose any threat to the community than I realy dont mind whether they go to rehab or not, most people in prison because of drug related charges are because they were negatively affecting the community.

[shanedk]

No, most people in prison are non-violent drug offenders.

Your argument boils down to, "It should be illegal because it's against the law," which is laughable.

[crazypants88]

I think the point that Prof. Morgan makes at the end is very good and actually changed my view on the issue.

[shanedk]

Yes, it's a very compelling argument. It's almost a slam-dunk, really. And remember what Christ said: the goal of legalization is not to solve the drug problem, but the crime and violence problem.

[BeforeTheNoose]

The bit about the astologer made me lol. I assume you mean James Young. Haven't heard anything from him for ages.

[shanedk]

He named me 2007 "Loudmouth of the Year." I'm still waiting for my trophy...

[BeforeTheNoose]

lol. Where did he do this? does he still have a ut account?

[shanedk]

It's on his website, firststop-astrology dot com.

[BeforeTheNoose]

oh right....i could do with a laugh, i'm going to check it out. ty.

[entheogensmurf]

Ayahuasca users drink the brew due to their wiring?

Holotropic Breathwork creates a non-ordinary state of consciousness just as LSD, DMT and several other psychedelics.

Does this mean individuals seeking deeper insight to self are stupid or is it only if they use completely and utterly proven safe drugs?

[FraggoSWE]

BAN DONUTS BAN DONUTS. LOL :D

[CapnOrdinary]

Marijuana is only a gateway drug in any sense of the word, because some morons decided that marijuana should be sold by the same criminals that sell harder drugs.

[civisromae]

The analogy I like to use with the war on drugs is driving on ice. You always want to drive carefully, and that means regulating drugs. But the last thing you want to do is slam on the breaks.