Is the Local Church or Living Stream Ministry Biblically Sound?

[Zr0w691]

I believe the ground the local church stands on is very Biblically sound, I've grown so much spiritually reading watchmen nee's teachings and I believe we have so much top gain from the local church,I just wish there was one in my city

[recofundy]

Correction: Witness Lee: The Orifice of the Age.

[recofundy]

Why are there not more video clips of Witness Lee for us much to comment on? LSM has produced thousands of hours of him, yet so little is available to 'outsiders'. What are they hiding? Maybe he is as much of a publicity liability as he is an asset, I suppose. Can we not see more of God's Oracle of The Age, LSMers?

[TheGnakful]

@recofundy ido agree with you that this wonderful speakings of God through Bro. Witness Lee is less available to us online. But, i just want to help you to see that there are many brothers and sisters who achieved greater worldly positions, they are willing to put down their worldly position and willing to serve God in LMS. This is a matter of paying a price to meet the Lord and contact the Lord. So, we as believers should pay the price in a sense of material price to listen to the word of God.

[TheJohnVandivier]

Love it!

[recofundy]

"Is the Bible sound?" is another question we should b asking especially in this post-Bush era.

[recofundy]

Here at Deepest Fried Bible Church, salivation is by chicken wing. If one wishes to avoid millenial constipation, we recommend buffalo wings with xtra sauce.

"A cholesterol-giving feast, the last turkey became." 1 Yoda 15:45b

[recofundy]

WL is not the MOTA, I am. My ministry will prevail. With every donation ya get a free bucket o' buffalo wings.

[xcdkx502x]

Amen the lord is coming back....after a few conferencess LMAFAO

[xcdkx502x]

Are gays accepted in the local church lol.... I think not.... lmao. Goddamn I use to think this church was so "open". Is evolution is accepted lmao

[recofundy]

@xcdkx502x only if you keep it in the closet.

[xcdkx502x]

Hey there you really dont need CRI to tell you about LSM or the Lords Recovery. This church's history needs to be exposed by religious scholars with reliable sources, not some biased christian based research institute. This needs to be researched with a secular attitude. Fuck the apologetics onto the actual scholars! Fuck LSM and LC! and Fuck religion!

[recofundy]

@xcdkx502x Amen!

[recofundy]

One thing i don't miss about LSM conferences: The incapacitation of one's wank-dextrous hand for days after a long weekend of fraternal orgies of promiscuous handshakes which followed promptly after the messages ended as one pressed handflesh to handflesh.

[xcdkx502x]

@recofundy Oh boy it gets better if your a college person lol. Instead of a thousand amens, how about a thousand "What are you majoring in?". Such a mechanical entity is the lords recovery.

[distortionmaster20]

So if the Local Church is biblically sound/orthodox and not a cult, then how is it that they have a modalist view of the trinity, which is heretical? And why is it that their version of the bible (Recovery Version) contains modified verses that greatly differ from other versions of the Bible? For example, compare the RV bible's version of Genesis 1:2 with other English bible translations. The RV version twists Genesis 1:2 to support their belief in the heretical and un-biblical "Gap Theory."

[mrpankau]

@distortionmaster20 No modalism in the LC, sorry. We stand against that erroneous teaching VERY strongly. Plus, the "gap theory" existed long before the RV was printed. In the 17th Century, Simon Episcopius talked about the gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. Plus, if you study Hebrew, you will find that the key word "became" is actually more accurate than the sometimes translated "was" in Genesis 1:2. The same Hebrew word is used when Lot's wife "became" a pillar of salt. Much grace to you :)

[jlgJiL]

Hallelujah! A real seeker wanting to sincerely find out what was the local church about!

[europanzz]

Praise the Lord the truth is out! The local Church and LSM are biblically sound! ( I new that years ago) :-)

[sleepyprincess123]

Hanegraff is quite frank with sharing his experiences and his research results. He does not either agree or disagree with their doctrine. He simply says the truth: The Local Church is not a cult, it practices unity. There may be similarities or differences with individuals, however what is important are the essential qualities. In this case, The Local Church practices love and grace. Everyone has a choice, and its up to you to decide. Choose what's important, choose what you need.

[Hainan48]

I am wondering if LSM supporters can say that a Christian living today can be mature, spiritual, deeply committed to the Lord, and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and have never heard of Jessie Penn Lewis, T. Austin Sparks, Watchman Nee or Witness Lee. If that is true then there are other writers and other believers who understand the true faith without any knowledge Nee's sense of spirituality.

[europanzz]

@Hainan48 Living Stream ministry prints Witness Lee`s and Watchman Nees books exclusively. LSM isnt a church, its a publishing place.They are responsible for all the printing and publishing of the church materials.. which are exclusively from Witness Lee and watchman Nee

[adlsp]

I know many "Local Church" people and can make the following observations:

-- they are heavy into teaching, memorization, even testing ... I wish they would place more emphasis on being receptive to The Holy Spirit & less on church doctrine that someone came up with. The Holy Spirit s/b the ULTIMATE teacher.

-- Many have a spirit of "elitism" or even pride...thinking that they are somehow better, or on a higher level than "Christians" ... many use the term "Christians" in negative connotation

[Hainan48]

Don't read more meaning into my words than there is. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I am not using an English dictionary definition. My Greek dictionaries define 'heresy' as 'religious party, faction, false party or teaching.' In the Corinthian letters it's a faction within the Corinthian church that regarded itself as more spiritual than others. A cult is outside the true church. I am just as critical of any church that makes John Calvin the measure of being spiritual.

[Hainan48]

Here's the problem. They believe that God's Seer for the twentieth century was Watchman Nee. The problem is that they judge every spiritual Christian by Watchman Nee's criteria. You should have talked to the Local Church in Shanghai that remained after 1949. You didn't. I did. A cult? Well at least a heresy. "I am of Watchman Nee," is really what they teach.

[mrpankau]

@Hainan48 If someone taught you that, it was wrong. But "they" (the local churches) do not teach that. I've been in the local churches my whole life, brother. Jesus is Lord, not Watchman Nee.

[glitterglamourr]

@Hainan48

I've been in the Lord's Recovery my entire life. "I am of Watchman Nee" is not what we teach. Watchman Nee was wise in the Lord's word, he gave his life to the Lord and spoke forth what he gained from Him to those who wanted to have a relationship with the Lord. We take in his love for the Lord, and we all have a chance to speak. "I am of GOD" is what we teach. God is the sole King, he is the only one we look to for guidance.

[Vtorresdey]

LSM is not a cult. There is only one Savoir, Jesus that came to die for all sinners! Let's just all Praise Him together! Time is too short to waste criticizing!

Let's redeem the time!

[biblereader4life]

The local church believes in the oneness and is strongly against denominations that have taken over Christianity. We the body need the oneness as the apostle Paul strongly argued for in 1 Corinthians 3:4-6. The message given in 1 Corinthians 3:4-6 is clearly focused on believers who would divide the church with things other than Christ. According to Paul there should be no denominations in the church. Denominations serve only to divide and do nothing whatsoever to bring in the oneness of Christ.

[ztilep]

Living Stream Ministry  is a channel of blessings to all those who has an open heart with a receiving spirit !

[kkksw1ss]

im from the local churches in pasadena

[music4healings]

OH Brother who believes this ?The Bible Answer man can NOT say that the Local Churches or the Living Stream MInistry is cult- like because of threat of a massive law SUIT!!! .

[cindeemorgan]

@music4healings CRI believes the Local Church is not a cult; It has nothing to do with lawsuits. It is a godly stand and an admission they misunderstood this church's theology. My father, Dr. Walter Martin, also did not believe they were a cult but relied on his researchers, back in the 70's, to decide this issue. We have him on audio tape saying this. I recently attended one of their meetings. These people love Jesus Christ and are our brothers and sisters. God bless!

[StopFear]

Hank Hannegraff is not a spiritual authority at all. Local Church and Living Stream Ministry are a very sneaky dishonest organization. I say this from personal experience. they believe they are the only true saved Christians, in turn they believe it's permissible to sue anyone on matter of theology since the other party has to be a non-Christian since they disagree with LSM.

they also think all denominations are spiritual fornicators. Be Warned!!!

[pl497713]

@StopFear StopFear your thoughts indicate an extremely high level of ignorance. The brothers and sisters of the local churches are non denominational and do not believe that all other denominations are spiritual fornicators. We love the Lord very much, as much if not more than saints from other denominations.

[pl497713]

@StopFear The Local Church and Living Stream Ministry's goals center around loving the Lord and receiving his divine life in a daily manner. We do not believe that we are the only true saved Christians, because to be regenerated you obviously don't have to be a member of a particular church. We believe that we are regenerated by his blood and by his death on the cross.

[biblereader4life]

@StopFear You say that "Hank Hannegraff is not a spiritual authority at all". Oh really! And what makes you an authority? From your personal experience please point us to where the local church believes they are the only saved ones? Perhaps if you had lived in the far East and were persecuted and imprisoned because of untruth's written by so called Christian leaders I doubt you would be spewing this disinformation. Mr Hannegraaff knew full well he had to come forward an right a slanderous wrong.

[crabtree21]

@treasureinvessel, why do a lot of the elder saint in the LSM force the younger one to join that full time training and a lot of full time don't know what is the reality living a real working world

[treasureinvessel]

@crabtree21 nobody is forcing anyone and this was not your question.

[grossman365]

@crabtree21 the elders there don't force younger one to join. The younger one join on their own. In reality, I think you should just try to contact the Lord with your spirit instead of your mind. The Lord Jesus is wonderful, you know. The Lord Jesus will train you in a way that money, real world can't do.

[treasureinvessel]

@crabtree21 the world is like this because satan ruined men by poisoning the body and soul and killing his spirit. Spiritual death got into the genes ,so men is born unclean - this is being unholy and death. Men became like animals by birth and at the same time satanic in nature. We must look up to Jesus lifted on the cross as the brass serpent in the likeness of the flesh to get healed from the poison and be made alife holy and godly , this is to receive divine ''genes'' and be made sons.

[tonyteb]

do you mean arnold murray

[kkksw1ss]

living stream ministry praisew the lord subjectively

[PhilipWitte]

i grew up in the LC (LSM), and trust, it's a giant indoctrinating mind fuck. i feel so much more emotionally stable, clear minded, and overall more happy, now as a skeptical Atheist. leaving my old mindset was extremely stressful, but completely worth it. i encourage everyone to questions all aspects of their believes, especially the big ones we take for granted.

peace ;-)

[NinjaXiaoLin]

@PhilipWitte I'm no Christian, but I do hope you won't be begging for any kind of redemption from any deity on your deathbed. GL out there.

[quatrocoqui]

I forgot how credulous christians can be.

[mrpankau]

1 Peter 3:14 "But even if you suffer because of righteousness, you are blessed. And do not be afraid with fear from them, nor be troubled."

I've been enjoying the mercy and grace of the Triune God in the Lord's Recovery for twenty years now and thanks to His unceasing blessing, there's never been a buzz kill. Praise the Lord for the recovery of the church life!

[molly2frodo2]

@mrpankau According to the Lord's recovery how does someone get saved?

[mrpankau]

@molly2frodo2 As with everything, the Holy Spirit's word in the Bible should be and is consulted on this matter. Rom 10:13 - For whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. John 6:47 - Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes has eternal life.

As our dear brother Martin Luther correctly pointed out so many years ago, a person is justified by His faith in the Lord Jesus, not by good works. The saints in the Lord's recovery stand on this truth.

[molly2frodo2]

@mrpankau The gospel

We have all sinned against God according to Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Ask yourself have you kept all the Ten Commandments? Since God is just he must punish us for our sins by sending us to hell. But God loved us so much He sent his Son Jesus Christ to take the punishment of our sins. Jesus did not die for our sins because He needs us for something. Jesus died for our sins simply because He loves us.

[molly2frodo2]

@mrpankau To get saved all you have to do is believe(trust in, rely on, cleave to) Jesus Christ. The minute you do that God will forgive you of every sin you committed. God will give you a new heart with new desires. You will be born again.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[molly2frodo2]

@mrpankau To get saved all you have to do is believe(trust in, rely on, cleave to) Jesus Christ. The minute you do that God will forgive you of every sin you committed. God will give you a new heart with new desires. You will be born again. You will spend eternity with God instead of in the lake fire.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[crabtree21]

Brian wash Ministry/ Witness lee the dictator poisoning a millions of innocent mind

[claudiays11]

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[11in101]

The LC/LSM leaders are fascists! Their ministry is a toxic drug - a great buzz initially, but eventually soul-destroying. "Psychological martyrdom" is one of their doctrines.

[europanzz]

@11in101 Turn to your spirit!

[11in101]

Check out: What Happens When a Narcissist Becomes a Church Leader??? - Dr. Sam Vaknin

[europanzz]

@11in101 Thats why there are so many denominations.

[wordprophet]

One blind leader pointing out other blind leaders. Hmmmm...

Why do so many think that Mr Hannegraf has all the answers? He thinks that God is triune (contrary to the scripture), he thinks that baptism is not necessary to be saved (contrary to the scripture), and he does not have the spirit of Christ! So, how is he a Christian---or a teacher of the word of God?

[themsfightinwoids]

@wordprophet Atheists don't believe in god because there is ZERO evidence for ANYTHING supernatural, INCLUDING your crazy uncivilized jealous god. Your "atheists do not exist" video is as daft and illogical as anything on YT. Claiming that your god is evident "in the firmament" is hardly a proof that it exists. Do starvation, natural disaster and epidemic also prove that your "just" god exists?

[themsfightinwoids]

@treasureinvessel You replied to me: "If you want to be payed for preaching the gospel (the gospel of what ? ) Why do you ask wordprophet something ? I pay you nothing if you are donging such thing. Moreover Christ is given all power in Heaven and on Earth and is with us always , why then asking fore money and not trusting All Shaddai (The One with the udder) ?"

-You do realize, I hope, that you ramble incoherently. I said nothing about money. Are you insane? Best you stop skipping the meds.

[themsfightinwoids]

@treasureinvessel What the hell are you talking about?

[dueckrandy]

@wordprophet God is truine (according to not only 100s of verses, but also the very framework of the Bible). You are a heretic and are the one adulterating the Word of God.

[wordprophet]

@dueckrandy I praise God for you! Fill up then the measure of your fathers! Your fathers crucified the Lord Jesus, and burned his disciples alive for refusing to take the Mass. To this day you follow in their steps, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men, and persecuting those true ones who believe the words of the scripture...Woe unto you!

[mleh321]

@wordprophet

Matt. 28:19 Go therefore and disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

There is clearly three in this verse, and notice the word name is singular. It obvioulsy indicates that He is Triune (latin Three-One)

[wordprophet]

@mleh321 Neighbor, there are not three persons being spoken of in this verse of scripture. There is a description of one name being spoken. Do you know what the name being spoken of is? And have you been baptized in that name for the remission of your sins? Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?

[mleh321]

@wordprophet

1 Cor. 15:45 says "the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" Jesus (the Son) Is the Holy Spirit. God is 1, He can't be divided. but He is distinctly three.

Isaiah 9:6 Calls the Savior, Christ, Mighty God and Eternal Father. The Son, Christ, is the father and He is the Spirit. John 1:1 says that the "Word was God"

and verse 14 says "the Word became flesh" The Son IS fully God, the Spirit IS fully God and the Father IS fully God. He is not divided into thirds

[mleh321]

@wordprophet

The Holy Spirit and Christ, and God are not seperate beings.

And yes you are correct, Matt. 28:19 Talks about One name, One God, with three aspects. He is the Son, Holy Spirit, and God the Father. We can that God's name is, Father,Son,Spirit

[wordprophet]

@mleh321 The Bible that you are quoting is a bit different than the Holy Bible (KJV), but I understand what you are saying. So you know that there is no trinity, or triune god...

[mleh321]

@wordprophet

"Triune God" Is a mystery. It means God is One and there is only One God, but it also means that God has 3 aspects, Father, Son, Spirit. This is what the Local churches believe. Local churches have a more mystical view of what God is. He has Aspects but God Is only One. He Is Triune.

The Bible I am using has been translated from the Original languages, Hebrew and Greek

[claudiays11]

@mleh321 aMEN!

[thefunkyness]

Pride comes before a fall, but to those who are falsely humble a great chasm of darkness awaits.

[thefunkyness]

A phone conversation revealing evasion on the the part of Witness Lee to questions relating to the financial misconduct between LSM, LC, Phosphorous and Daystar.

Google Videos "the dirt on Witness Lee". 2nd video link in search results.

[thefunkyness]

To those considering joining the LC, beware. The issue of the (un)orthodoxy of their teachings is irrelevant. There is an over-emphasis on; 1)unity at the cost of individuality and

2)christian love at the expense of sobermindedness, and

3) the protection of the pristine image of Witness Lee to the point of unbridled psychophantism.

[thefunkyness]

Witness Lee possessed the hallmarks of narcissistic personality disorder.

[thefunkyness]

@treasureinvessel I have seen & heard him. I've read his "high peak" books and watched LSM LS & crystallisation videos. I have never met him but I've have met others who knew.

[thefunkyness]

@treasureinvessel Wow unto those who quench the spirit of truth whilst fanning into flame the spirit of deception!

[thefunkyness]

LSM used to have their logo on crockery and even bedsheets. Catholics would not dream of taking a picture of the Pope to bed while making love. Now they just limit it to their books, ties and their minds. Ze life of ze leader is ze life of ze party! Ve have vays of making you read ze ministry you smelly little saint! Amen??!!

[jiggybilly]

Folded his arms = guilty

[followjesusonly1]

It has been proven that these Holidays are pagan oriented only. They are satan worshiping days. How can there be any debate on this? Do you know the origination of these so-called holidays? If you are teaching the Truth, then you should definitely know what these pagan days really represent. You can do your own research and verify that they come from Mystery Babylon religion. And also, the Holy Spirit Jesus sent to us when He was resurrected leads us into all Truth. It's in the Gospel of John.

[crabtree21]

I truly believe in God, but disagree on the Lords recovery, most of the member follows one man teaching, the other thing they believe are god men, but only one God in the universe. We need believe what god put in our heart, and follow man.

[AideMedicale]

I've never doubted the authenticity of the Recovery Church though I disagree with the theological concept of a "Lord's Recovery". I used to meet with the Recovery church & received some of great teaching. It was due to some brothers from the church that I heard the gospel & believed! They have a particularly good grasp on the doctrine of life. I disagree with their theology on some other issues though. But they certainly love Jesus & I consider them dear beloved bros & sisters. God bless them.

[AideMedicale]

@treasureinvessel

Thanks but our Brother Luther never mentioned a "Lord's Recovery" nor did John Wesley or John Calvin. Do you not think these brothers would have a word of criticism to say to the local churches/Lord's recovery/LSM? I agree with the view that these brothers uncovered wonderful Biblical truths and that their ministries blessed the Body of Christ. Nevertheless, I am aware that the local churches reading is extremely limited. Namely, to the writing of Witness Lee solely.

[AideMedicale]

@treasureinvessel

Dear Brother, if any man were infallible he would not need our Lord Jesus. If you see Witness Lee and Watchman Nee as servants of the Lord then we can agree, but if you see them and every word they ever spoke as infallible (and I believe you do) then we are in great disagreement. But brother let's agree on your closing word "may the fire test every work soon."

God bless you. Much grace.

Aide

[noelvillaman04]

Do we need to keep Christmas? We do not have that in the Bible. We have incarnation, the birth of Christ. That is what we keep.

[Gabby301hartbreak]

AMEN! If you really know what's going on inside the Local Churches, you would be filled in by Christ's Glory! Thank you for clarifying that we're not a cult... AMEN!

[31redbluegreen]

The commentary in the recovery version of the bible in Rev. chpt 3 you will see where they state that if you are an overcomer you will be with the Lord. If you are a believer that hasn't lived like an overcomer your name will be erased from the book of life and you won't partake with the Lord until eternity.Not true. Even in the commentary they give no biblical support of their theory. Rev. 22:19 says not to add or take away. Sounds like they are adding. I guess the Cross wasn't enough for them

[treasureinvessel]

King James v; ''He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life'' Can you explain then what it is '' your name to be blot out of the book of Life ???? Better question how one can become an overcommer !

[31redbluegreen]

Why would Paul say in Phil 1:21 that by living is Christ and by dying is gain. In verse 23b Paul also states that when he departs he will be with Jesus, which is far better. Why would dying be far better if we don't go to heaven. And if Paul is to be with Christ when he dies wouldn't that mean heaven since in Hebrews 1:13 He says Jesus is at the right hand of God in Heaven. hmmm Then in Phil 3:20 it says our citizenship is in Heaven. There are many other verses in the bible that support this.

[jjaacckkssdd]

@31redbluegreen Many other verses you say. How would you interpret Rev 21: 2 and Dan 2:34-35. Yea i also agree that Jesus is in heaven but i also believe He is in our human spirit and we are connected to Him (Jacobs dream, the ladder). The Lord came the 1st time and ascended, but how about the 2nd time He comes. i thought we were speaking of what becomes of us

[EnigmasofToday]

The Apocalypse Code is one of the best books I have found that deals with the Olivet Discourse. Highly recommend to anyone who is interested in studying eschatology.

[31redbluegreen]

Try comparing the LSM recovery version to a standard NKJV and you will see how much has been changed to match the beliefs of this "religion" Everytime I asked a question in this church, I was pointed to Brother lee's books and not the word of God. This church is just based on his commentaries. Just remember he was a "Man" and not God. Most of the LSM commentaries don't match the word of God. I never needed a bible at that church, it was alway the LSM books they wanted you to read.

[mrpankau]

I used to have the same attitude about the seeming over-emphasis of brother Lee, but I came to realize that his interpretations are not unique to him. They are a compilation of the understandings of many of the great church fathers (Darby, Murray, Mueller, etc.) While indeed only a man, he was a regenerated, transformed, submissive and very mature slave of the Lord who was extremely useful to His master. His speaking is nothing but the teaching and fellowship of the apostles (Acts 2:42)

[mrpankau]

@31redbluegreen If anything was 'changed', don't you think Hank would catch that? He's no fool. Even non-local church Greek and Hebrew scholars agree that the RV translation is superb.

[gobluefire]

It's well documented how back in the 70s a couple of hippies in Berkeley whose own organization was loosing members to the local church movement actually conspired to smear these dear believers. Cults were all the rage then. Once the 'cult' label was applied other Christians never took the time check into the facts but just kept republishing the same rumors, misquotes, and fabricated stories. Hats off to CRI for standing for truth on this one - a model of Christ-like integrity & humility.

[31redbluegreen]

As someone who was raised in this church for 18 years, I would completely disagree with him. They believe that you do not EVER go to heaven and that only 144,000 people will be taken up in the rapture. These 144,000 are what they consider an "overcomer". They do not celebrate any holidays. They believe that how ever many people they have call on the Lord it brings them closer to becoming an "overcomer". Basically you are fighting other believers for a place with Jesus.

[mrpankau]

Wrong, buddy. You need to actually read Witness Lee and/or the Recovery Version before you place yourself into the category of the ignorant by saying things like that. You may have heard this or that from him or her, but that's no good. Read the ministry. 18 years doesn't mean anything if you base it on hearsay. One useful footnote (among many) is footnote 1 for Revelation 21:2. Much grace to you.

[Aaron2kiwi]

@31redbluegreen I am aslo a local church kid and over the year i have never hear that only 144000 will be overcomers but that we can ALL become ovecomers.

[jjaacckkssdd]

Well I would completely disagree with you. Where in the bible does it say that we do go to heaven? And where is this figure 144, 000 seen? Even unbelievers don't celebrate holidays, its called free choice. Actually they don't compete with each other but run their Christian race together. There only fighting is against time not other believers. And Jesus is the Head of His Body and we are his members so how can you compete with Christ if you're a member of His very Body. You need enlightenment

[jeamor777]

I have been meeting with the Local Church for 35 years. I'm now in a retirement home and miss having a sister here to have the same kind of fellowship I have had with LSM. I do have the saints come and visit me tho, for which I'm very thankful. I've been in many demonations and haven't been able to find satisfaction in my spirit.

I thank the Lord He led me here.

[Logan4poft]

wow

[windowwasher2]

CRI is virtually alone in its assessment of this movement. Other views by a wide selection of theologians and ministry leaders can be viewed at open-letter (dot) org. That site also includes a response to CRI's position, written by noted Christian apologists Norman Geisler and Ron Rhodes. That information should certainly be taken into account when evaluating CRI's change of heart on the subject.

[12design21]

It is a common error to take quote out of the context and take them as evidence. CRI used same ways to accuse Witness Lee's teaching, but after they got into the books and talked to the brothers and sisters who meet in the local church they became clear that there is no contradiction.

[paulyowell]

CRI is not alone. Fuller Theo Seminary, ECPA and many others agree too. It's also interesting to note that the response from Geisler and Rhodes, from a purely argumentative perspective, is quite weak. In fact, I would say that it is not a response but just simply a restatement of what was said before. It's obvious after having read both that CRI did the research. Geisler, Rhodes and the others have not and have chosen not to address 99% of the points in the CRI Journal. Do your research people.

[kvoysest]

I thank you for clarifying your understanding on living stream ministry. I think the saints in the church are wonderful.. I do not live near one right now but in the past i met with the church for more than 20 years. I miss the daily fellowship very much and hope to see a church raised up where i live in Beloit Wisconsin . thanks again