there are types of a good golfer. the first is the one that plays purely on feel and instinct for the game. the second is one that plays the game on the science of clubs and the new laws of golf and has a very mechanical swing
Like the video and the chair! Mind you if you really did close the face to the target at impact the chair would get a ball.
Agree with cockywatchman1976 trackman and even Alastair Cochran back in 1968 proved the face had to point somewhere right of target for a draw.(or left for a fade). At least at impact at any rate.
Preferred the slightly closed reference (to where you aim), but anyway I bet you dont struggle to actualy play it!
@atoomey212 Now of course you're going to be jumping up and down saying "he's on tour etc"...so what!!! Yes, he's a far superior plater to me, but he still clearly has an inferior understanding of the physics of golf (as you do) and I can explain a more fool proof, science based way of hitting a draw. It comes down to one key understanding we have learned since trackman has started being used-path doesn't dictate initial ball direction (only to 20%), club face angle is the main factor. FACT
@awesomedude69ftw Don't be a complete prat. Good golf is becoming MORE based on science than ever. Do you know about something called Trackman? The D Plane? You are a complete ignorant moron-only capable of childish playground insults. Grow up you big baby
@atoomey212 Look, it's not even an argument!!!! I'm just stating FACTS. It's physics, forget your silly feel theories-you may feel something, but that isn't real! The ball starts 80-85% on the line of the clubface....this is 100% fact that we KNOW. I don't care if you are 36 handicap, scratch or Tiger woods, the fact is that I am right and Poulters video is the "old thinking" on hopw to hit a draw. It will work to a point, but almost certainly he isn't doing what he thinks.My way is better
@cockywatchman1976 I'm not sure he meant to point the face directly at his target, "close it to the target", but I'm not sure he means all the way. So he lines up right of target, points the face left of that but still right of target, the ball will bounce off the face near to where the face is pointing, and curve towards the target. Also your numbers may be true but with high lofted clubs the face mostly points up, so you'll start the ball pretty much to where you swing.
@WaydeJohnson Just going on what he says-he's wrong! It's not even debatable. If the clubface points at target you'll snap hook it if you do as he says. You HAVE to aim right if you want to hit a draw OR open clubface during swing. Search NEW ball flight laws on youtube (sure they aren't new-physics is physics, but thats what they call em!)
If I stand positioned straight out and close the clubface the ball hooks/draws every time. It goes out straight a bit then comes around opposite a slice or fade, so it stands to reason that if I do this intentionally and just aim my body right of target that it will draw or hook back towards the target .
@Funmichi Yes it does-unless the clubface opens. The ball starts on the face-ie left, as its closed, and spins further left with trhe path being right of the face. This means a snap hook
Cockywatchman is correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. Path influence is about 20% or less. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
Cockywatchman is correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. Path influence is about 20% or less. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
@atoomey212 You stick to "he's a tour pro and he said..." kind of kiddy attitude. So out of interest can you explain how the shot won't hook if he swings on that swing path with a closed, or even square face? YOU DON'T KNOW THE BALL FLIGHT LAWS DO YOU, and you're probably a 26 handicap. Prat
@atoomey212 Just because someone is a superior player, doesn't mean they understand the mechanics and what is essentially physics. Poulter is using the old ball flight laws (old understandings) which we KNOW are wrong, through trackman data and science (see any modern instruction from INSTRUCTORS). What he does will work not as well as how I would suggest-BUT he doesn't do what he says-he actually opens the face a little. You clearly are very immature-so you aren't gonna understand
@Funmichi Others are saying Im correct, and I am. My and your handicap is irrelevant. The FACT of science is that we KNOW the ball starts 80-85% on clubface-not path. Hence what hes doing is just wrong-you will snap hook it. Thing is he doesnt do it EXACTLY as he thinks-he opens the face slightly because he is a good player. Its the old feel and mechanics being different. I was just saying its bad advice because it doesnt work like that. By the way inpossible isn't a word, it's impossible
@cockywatchman1976 I'm not English so I will make more mistakes.If you want to play a draw you should point with your clubface to the target,swing from inside to outside and if you want to play a stronger draw,your stand should point right of the target.If your golf is good,you can play with the method of Ian also to the target.And a spectator cant see any difference between the method I told and the method of Ian,not even you because the ball starts right and comes back to target
@Funmichi You need to aim a little right first-or the ball will start too straight and finish left of target-with your method. Unless you open the face during the swing....if the method works for you its because you open the face.....if you did exactly what you describing youd hook it.
This is wrong-this will create a hook unless he opens the face. A draw needs the club OPEN to target line, but swing more right to create spin. Ball starts 80% to clubface direction-so if he did what he said (and he doesnt) the ball would start left and hook further left. Another exampole of pros not understanding what they do, they just do it by feel and intuition-which is great, but ashame to mislead!
You are completely correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
You are completely correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
You are completely correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
Just because he's using big words doesn't mean he's googling them, infact it probably just means he's either very educated or you're very uneducated. probably a mixture of both.
This guy is a real example of not being off +8 when ur 10 ( little bit of exaggeration) he turned pro off 4 and said to everyone he is going to be a tour pro. He practised and practised and look where he is now!
If the club face is closed to the target line the ball will start left and hook. Club face needs to to closed relative to the swing path NOT the target.
Don't worry about Poulty he knows what to do by experience, but like many world class players he clearly does not have explicit knowledge of the ball. Trackman (dopplar radar used to measure) has proven Jorgensen's D-Plane theories. What Poulter is saying with regards to hitting a draw is incorrect. Again, the face needs to be closed relative to the path, but it must be slightly open to the target in order to start right and bend left. I am a huge Poulter fan.
Yes it is. HOWEVER, it must be open to the target in order for it to start far enough right so as not to hit the tree! My comment is related to Poulter's inability to describe what he is doing in a complete manner. If you know anything about ball flight laws, and D-plane geometry then you know his description is lacking. Again, the face must be aiming right (at impact of course) of the tree with the club head moving in to out relative to the face.
@bobscottjnr You don't need to know the physics of why something works to tell people how to do it. If I was to teach you how to play guitar I wouldn't waste your time explaining relative frequencies, or the exponential reduction on the fretboard, or how the soundhole functions as a Helmholtz resonator. I'd just show you how to play the thing.
@lamontofnazareth I get what you are saying. I agree with the basic principle of keeping it simple. However, Poulter is not describing how he does it accurately. At best it is a "seems as if" scenario, at worst he is regurgitating pop instruction. Some people need more explicit information...this "how to" is simply incorrect. You wouldn't ignore scales when teach guitar would you?
@bobscottjnr No, I wouldn't ignore them. But my first lesson wouldn't be Locrian mode. I start with picking exercises because I learned from experience that it doesn't matter how much theory you know if your left and right hands don't work in sync. This lesson is a just a starting point. If you take his instruction out to the range, you'll be able to test it, experiment with it, and learn how YOU want to draw the ball. Which is much more beneficial than trying to copy how a pro does it.
That advice is how you hook the ball to the left of the green. If at impact if the face is pointed at the pin & the path of the club is right of the pin the ball will start generally at the pin then curve left of the pin.
@bricksalegend don't forget conceited, and to answer your earlier question you lied to a '17 year old jealous child' to give your self some sort of prestige and esteem when you're probably an average golfer
@GSCrepresentative theres no way he hits his 5 iron only 175. for a tour pro thats more like an 8 iron. i think he was saying 5 iron as an example most golfers could relate to.
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@cockywatchman1976 ok what causes a push slice? Inside out open clubface! You need to state that the clubface will close after impact.cthe
siboy109 1 week ago
@cockywatchman1976 ok what causes a push slice? Inside out open clubface! You need to state that the clubface will rotate closedmafterm
siboy109 1 week ago
there are types of a good golfer. the first is the one that plays purely on feel and instinct for the game. the second is one that plays the game on the science of clubs and the new laws of golf and has a very mechanical swing
fenderboy34 1 month ago
Like the video and the chair! Mind you if you really did close the face to the target at impact the chair would get a ball.
Agree with cockywatchman1976 trackman and even Alastair Cochran back in 1968 proved the face had to point somewhere right of target for a draw.(or left for a fade). At least at impact at any rate.
Preferred the slightly closed reference (to where you aim), but anyway I bet you dont struggle to actualy play it!
gordonmorrisongolf 2 months ago
Did he say 5 iron 170 to 175 yards? Thats how far I hit mine, of course he can knock it stiff while I hook it into the bunker!
Clarinetguy47 3 months ago
why arent the armchairsessions not available in the US?
christianrumin 3 months ago
@atoomey212 Now of course you're going to be jumping up and down saying "he's on tour etc"...so what!!! Yes, he's a far superior plater to me, but he still clearly has an inferior understanding of the physics of golf (as you do) and I can explain a more fool proof, science based way of hitting a draw. It comes down to one key understanding we have learned since trackman has started being used-path doesn't dictate initial ball direction (only to 20%), club face angle is the main factor. FACT
cockywatchman1976 3 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 good golf is not science based so shut the fuck up cunt
awesomedude69ftw 2 months ago
@awesomedude69ftw Don't be a complete prat. Good golf is becoming MORE based on science than ever. Do you know about something called Trackman? The D Plane? You are a complete ignorant moron-only capable of childish playground insults. Grow up you big baby
cockywatchman1976 2 months ago
@atoomey212 Look, it's not even an argument!!!! I'm just stating FACTS. It's physics, forget your silly feel theories-you may feel something, but that isn't real! The ball starts 80-85% on the line of the clubface....this is 100% fact that we KNOW. I don't care if you are 36 handicap, scratch or Tiger woods, the fact is that I am right and Poulters video is the "old thinking" on hopw to hit a draw. It will work to a point, but almost certainly he isn't doing what he thinks.My way is better
cockywatchman1976 3 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 I'm not sure he meant to point the face directly at his target, "close it to the target", but I'm not sure he means all the way. So he lines up right of target, points the face left of that but still right of target, the ball will bounce off the face near to where the face is pointing, and curve towards the target. Also your numbers may be true but with high lofted clubs the face mostly points up, so you'll start the ball pretty much to where you swing.
WaydeJohnson 2 weeks ago
@WaydeJohnson Just going on what he says-he's wrong! It's not even debatable. If the clubface points at target you'll snap hook it if you do as he says. You HAVE to aim right if you want to hit a draw OR open clubface during swing. Search NEW ball flight laws on youtube (sure they aren't new-physics is physics, but thats what they call em!)
cockywatchman1976 2 weeks ago
good old 14th at woburn on the duchess course
letsnotgettosilly 3 months ago
he tees the ball so low its crazy
sportsman214 4 months ago
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No reason for this not to work.
If I stand positioned straight out and close the clubface the ball hooks/draws every time. It goes out straight a bit then comes around opposite a slice or fade, so it stands to reason that if I do this intentionally and just aim my body right of target that it will draw or hook back towards the target .
AmericansForGuns0com 4 months ago
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AmericansForGuns0com 4 months ago
...and a closed clubface do not mean a hook ball flight if the stand points to the right....
Funmichi 4 months ago
@Funmichi Yes it does-unless the clubface opens. The ball starts on the face-ie left, as its closed, and spins further left with trhe path being right of the face. This means a snap hook
cockywatchman1976 4 months ago
You lot sound like a right bunch of twats. Get over it. Go and hit some balls or something.
junglistbunglist 4 months ago
Cockywatchman is correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. Path influence is about 20% or less. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
MrLuigiFercotti 4 months ago
Cockywatchman is correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. Path influence is about 20% or less. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
MrLuigiFercotti 4 months ago
@atoomey212 You stick to "he's a tour pro and he said..." kind of kiddy attitude. So out of interest can you explain how the shot won't hook if he swings on that swing path with a closed, or even square face? YOU DON'T KNOW THE BALL FLIGHT LAWS DO YOU, and you're probably a 26 handicap. Prat
cockywatchman1976 5 months ago
@atoomey212 Just because someone is a superior player, doesn't mean they understand the mechanics and what is essentially physics. Poulter is using the old ball flight laws (old understandings) which we KNOW are wrong, through trackman data and science (see any modern instruction from INSTRUCTORS). What he does will work not as well as how I would suggest-BUT he doesn't do what he says-he actually opens the face a little. You clearly are very immature-so you aren't gonna understand
cockywatchman1976 5 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 omg, a stereotype of a smartass! It works so it is inpossible that it is wrong. By the way my handicap is 2,4....
Funmichi 4 months ago
@Funmichi Others are saying Im correct, and I am. My and your handicap is irrelevant. The FACT of science is that we KNOW the ball starts 80-85% on clubface-not path. Hence what hes doing is just wrong-you will snap hook it. Thing is he doesnt do it EXACTLY as he thinks-he opens the face slightly because he is a good player. Its the old feel and mechanics being different. I was just saying its bad advice because it doesnt work like that. By the way inpossible isn't a word, it's impossible
cockywatchman1976 4 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 I'm not English so I will make more mistakes.If you want to play a draw you should point with your clubface to the target,swing from inside to outside and if you want to play a stronger draw,your stand should point right of the target.If your golf is good,you can play with the method of Ian also to the target.And a spectator cant see any difference between the method I told and the method of Ian,not even you because the ball starts right and comes back to target
Funmichi 4 months ago
@Funmichi You need to aim a little right first-or the ball will start too straight and finish left of target-with your method. Unless you open the face during the swing....if the method works for you its because you open the face.....if you did exactly what you describing youd hook it.
cockywatchman1976 4 months ago
This is wrong-this will create a hook unless he opens the face. A draw needs the club OPEN to target line, but swing more right to create spin. Ball starts 80% to clubface direction-so if he did what he said (and he doesnt) the ball would start left and hook further left. Another exampole of pros not understanding what they do, they just do it by feel and intuition-which is great, but ashame to mislead!
cockywatchman1976 5 months ago
@cockywatchman1976
You are completely correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
MrLuigiFercotti 4 months ago
@cockywatchman1976
You are completely correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
MrLuigiFercotti 4 months ago
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@cockywatchman1976
You are completely correct. This is the one of the most pernicious falsehoods in golf. Ball flight starts primarily in the direction normal to the club face. What's so pathetically funny about it, is that the same false concept would mean that loft on a club would have little effect on the launch angle of a shot. Duh!!!
MrLuigiFercotti 4 months ago
if i tried this i would have shanked it into his chair.
thunnerbird3 8 months ago
@thunnerbird3 Shank that goes straight that is impressive
f0cusen 6 months ago
you're one of the best Ian!
jcking33 9 months ago
shut up you faggots, stop googling big words to use against each-other
babiesandpineapples 9 months ago
@babiesandpineapples
Just because he's using big words doesn't mean he's googling them, infact it probably just means he's either very educated or you're very uneducated. probably a mixture of both.
liambannin 6 months ago
@liambannin
lolololol
babiesandpineapples 5 months ago
You sound like yo from Landon!
frisby2010 1 year ago
@frisby2010 He is from London lol.
In Tiger Woods PGA tour 2007 he has an Arsenal shirt as one of his costumes
JoshhLyons 11 months ago
wow what a swing, check out mine : )
xfactor5492 1 year ago
This guy is a real example of not being off +8 when ur 10 ( little bit of exaggeration) he turned pro off 4 and said to everyone he is going to be a tour pro. He practised and practised and look where he is now!
Well done poults a real quality guy and player!
ill2k7 1 year ago
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dschultz6072 1 year ago
If the club face is closed to the target line the ball will start left and hook. Club face needs to to closed relative to the swing path NOT the target.
bobscottjnr 1 year ago
@bobscottjnr im sure you know better than him
manuhunter101 1 year ago
@manuhunter101
Don't worry about Poulty he knows what to do by experience, but like many world class players he clearly does not have explicit knowledge of the ball. Trackman (dopplar radar used to measure) has proven Jorgensen's D-Plane theories. What Poulter is saying with regards to hitting a draw is incorrect. Again, the face needs to be closed relative to the path, but it must be slightly open to the target in order to start right and bend left. I am a huge Poulter fan.
bobscottjnr 1 year ago
@bobscottjnr
i agree. i'm sick of hearing that instruction... coz all it does is cause a pull hook/draw...rather than a right to left draw
jmaer91 1 year ago
@bobscottjnr the club is closed relative to the swing path, if you have a solid swing it will work fine
srscrippler 1 year ago
@srscrippler
Yes it is. HOWEVER, it must be open to the target in order for it to start far enough right so as not to hit the tree! My comment is related to Poulter's inability to describe what he is doing in a complete manner. If you know anything about ball flight laws, and D-plane geometry then you know his description is lacking. Again, the face must be aiming right (at impact of course) of the tree with the club head moving in to out relative to the face.
bobscottjnr 1 year ago
@bobscottjnr You don't need to know the physics of why something works to tell people how to do it. If I was to teach you how to play guitar I wouldn't waste your time explaining relative frequencies, or the exponential reduction on the fretboard, or how the soundhole functions as a Helmholtz resonator. I'd just show you how to play the thing.
lamontofnazareth 10 months ago
@lamontofnazareth I get what you are saying. I agree with the basic principle of keeping it simple. However, Poulter is not describing how he does it accurately. At best it is a "seems as if" scenario, at worst he is regurgitating pop instruction. Some people need more explicit information...this "how to" is simply incorrect. You wouldn't ignore scales when teach guitar would you?
bobscottjnr 10 months ago
@bobscottjnr No, I wouldn't ignore them. But my first lesson wouldn't be Locrian mode. I start with picking exercises because I learned from experience that it doesn't matter how much theory you know if your left and right hands don't work in sync. This lesson is a just a starting point. If you take his instruction out to the range, you'll be able to test it, experiment with it, and learn how YOU want to draw the ball. Which is much more beneficial than trying to copy how a pro does it.
lamontofnazareth 10 months ago
that's a sign you have made it big, when you get your very own armchair to sit on whilst out playing!! lol.
Rioghal10 1 year ago 28
@Rioghal10 and when you have your own hummer golf cart. lol
jamieplattgolf 1 year ago
@Rioghal10 haha
martinigolftees 5 months ago
@asimplewasteman i dont need money idiot , i,ve enough to have a good live and play golf so get a life and fuck yourself
sandersuperfollador 1 year ago
He was using an example. He is not a short hitter and you could even see the ball take off quickly with power.
KomedyKluxKlan 1 year ago
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That advice is how you hook the ball to the left of the green. If at impact if the face is pointed at the pin & the path of the club is right of the pin the ball will start generally at the pin then curve left of the pin.
mazdaspeedmx512lbs 1 year ago
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mazdaspeedmx512lbs 1 year ago
lol 175 (and drawing the ball) is like a 7 iron for me xD
sandersuperfollador 1 year ago
@sandersuperfollador
ha, well done ... he's worth millions your not.
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asimplewasteman 1 year ago
@sandersuperfollador To bad it goes 20 yards in the wrong direction ;)
mutzigmorzine 1 year ago
@sandersuperfollador complete lie
HJManson 1 year ago
@HJManson im amateur, i play off 13 and i can hit a 5 iron 200+ yards, just because you cannot do it it doesnt mean its a lie
bricksalegend 11 months ago
@bricksalegend its spelt 'driver' not '5 iron' you cock, most players on tour would struggle to hit a 5 iron 200+
HJManson 11 months ago
@HJManson its spelt callaway steelhead x-14 5 iron. i can hit my driver 300+
why would i lie on youtube. to a 17 year old jealous child?
most players on tour arent me
bricksalegend 11 months ago
@bricksalegend no you're right, they're infinitely more talented
HJManson 11 months ago
@HJManson haha your definatly right about that, i was being pedantic and a little sarcastic.
bricksalegend 11 months ago
@bricksalegend don't forget conceited, and to answer your earlier question you lied to a '17 year old jealous child' to give your self some sort of prestige and esteem when you're probably an average golfer
HJManson 11 months ago
wrong. If an amateur does this, he will hit the chair.
cmterpsnskins 1 year ago
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Buuuuuutch 1 year ago
5 iron 175... honestly thats not very impressive, but at least his scores are fantastic so thats what matters i suppose :P
GSCrepresentative 1 year ago
@GSCrepresentative theres no way he hits his 5 iron only 175. for a tour pro thats more like an 8 iron. i think he was saying 5 iron as an example most golfers could relate to.
stoomskie 1 year ago
Ian poulter is the man
cronincr1 1 year ago 11