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  • I AM THE CHUNDER DRAGON!!!

  • @legionary419 You are the Egg Man. You are the Walrus..Koo-Koo Koochoo.

  • crazy times..

  • Why the fuck are we talking about Romans on a broadcast of Lord Hawhaw?

  • JimGladstone64119: Agreed, the Romans were barbaric...but, they were a slave-owning, Pagan (in the main) race of miscreants.

    They cannot be compared with a 'so-called intelligent, Christian, modern 20th century society. Hitler and his Nazis, slaughtered and wounded hundreds of millions of innocents across the world in ways the romans could hardly dream of. No, the Nazis were humanity's worst human beings.

  • He was Irish. He applied for British citizenship and got it, along with his British Passport. With that comes responsibility which he chucked back in our faces. He sealed his own fate and does not deserve the sympathy of anyone. He just reminds us of the Irish favour for the Nazis because they saw them as a mutual enemy of the British. Just shows they would side with anyone.

  • @Croogle He was American, born in Brooklyn NY. Raised in Ireland .Informed on the IRA, during the

    Anglo- Irish war ,for the Black and Tan scum and fled Ireland after an assassination attempt. Joined the British Union of Fascists. Lied about his American citizenship and got a British passport.

  • @Ridirerua He was irish not american just ebcaus you where born in america dosent make you an american he was full on irish his parents irish end off.

  • @JordoF6 Actually where you were born DOES make you from that country, fucking dipshit lol.

  • @Magnificoooooo Dipshit i hate that pathetic american word,anyway He was born in america but he was irish full on he grew up in ireland had irish parents and you get my point.

  • @JordoF6 Lmao, how is a word pathetic? You're fucking retarded.

  • @Magnificoooooo Because its a stupid american word which sounds fucking shite.Because i call a word pathetic that makes me retarded? LOl.

  • @JordoF6 Because a WORD cannot be pathetic. Pathetic implies a conscious being or situation involving a living being. Words are just descriptions, like retarded being a description of you.

    Whats your native language, by the way?

  • @Magnificoooooo if a dog was born in a barn dont make it a race horse you fucking shithead.

  • Pederman: I didn't realise that Canada WAS an Asshole (Your description, not mine). So what makes you think it is 'me' who requires lessons in 'speaking proper'?

    Do you actually mean 'writing properly'? Incidentally, I am human. Dogs actually have four legs.

    Unfortunately my eldest brother has no legs. Nazi German bastards blew them off in the war, he has spent almost seventy years without them. I'd also like to meet you Pederman. I wouldn't be too happy if I were you!

  • This vermin was spawned by a 'Loyalist' Irish family. There is every reason to treat him as a traitor to Britain because he chose to betray his roots and represent the most heinous group of humans that ever existed. Make NO mistake, the Nazis were the most vile, ruthless and pitiless killers that ever walked the earth. Slaying and crippling countless millions of innocent human beings.

    To call Nazis 'human' is to debase the species. They were scum like most early twentieth century Germans.

  • @Roncatcam hi from canada asshole. would like to meet you some day., would like to train you to speak proper like the dog that you are.

  • @Roncatcam Although your overall assesment of the Nazis is accurate, you really need to take a look at Roman history. They did as much brutality as the Nazis did if not more. Most of the Nazis ways of killing were far less violent then the Romans were. The Nazis have the title as far as amount of people killed, but the Romans hold the title for the brutal ways in which people were killed.

  • Monique Joyce was claused friend of my gran aunthie Corinne Luchaire in Sigmaringgen in 1944 she suspected Monique spy of resistance in Sigmaringgen she said in her memories Ma drôle de vie

  • You fool! Now the Nazis know what England has been up to!

  • I'm no Nazi or Nazi sympathizer, but Joyce was not a traitor vs. Britain. He was a US born Irishman who had become a German citizen. If he should have been tried by anyone, it should have been the US, as was the case with Robert H. Best. The Brits got him on a technicality & it was pretty much judicial murder. Not that one more murder mattered when millions were already murdered by the Germans & Russians during the war.

    Joyce was a brilliant propagandist. Too bad he was on the wrong side.

  • @RRaquello There is no right or wrong.

  • What a scumbag - making radio announcements for the Germans.

  • @celloswiss it was job, someone had to do it, all the better it was an irishman.

  • Trecherous Bastard.

  • @captain0ldy0da treacherous to who?

    He wasn't betraying his own country was he?

  • @frolicwitme No, William Joyce was! He was the enemy with an English accent!

    Through such broadcasts, the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda attempted to discourage and demoralize British, Canadian, Australian and American troops and the British population within radio listening range, to suppress the effectiveness of the Allied war effort through propaganda. And to motivate the Allies to agree to peace terms leaving the Nazi regime intact and in power!

  • @captain0ldy0da wikipedia rules!!!

  • @tomaszsastomexas Sure does.

  • @frolicwitme he parents were loyalists, so he was a traitor to them. When he returned to Ireland, it was part of the United Kingdom, so he was a traitor to the UK. It would be interesting to know which passport(s) he possessed.

  • @blueray1969 well the thing is we have never considered ourselves to have been part of the uk, just because the english said we were doesn't make it true.

    so if he did not consider himself to be british, a member of the uk then he could not be tried for treason.

    thats just my opinion.

  • Ded Reds!!! Long Live Deutschland.

  • Why a picture of mr Mussert, the nazi Basart of Holland

  • Skullchaser08 Regarding your latest series of letters to me, I answer them her with this one letter. You call me a hypocrite. OK. You fling ever dirty word in your scatological brain at me. As for lying about what you have said about the Jew, anyone who disputes that has only to look through this board to find it. As for the victims of the Dresden bombing, one of my best friends was one. I never said anything against them. All I said was that Dresden had become a tactical target by early 45.

  • Let's remember YOU are the sick fuck that values one kind of humans over another one and is even presenting himself proudly that way, you british-surpremacist fucker!

    That's what I have to say to you.

    And yeah, everyone is free to search the board for what I've supposedly said about "the Jew" as you say.

    They should click "Show all comments" and then do a text search with their browser for "jews", "deserved what they got" or whatever seems most likely to them to be most efficient.

  • You call me "piece of shit", "dirt", "dog", "swine" and then you claim I am scatologic?

    Now you know exactly why I call you a hypocrite.

    It's what you are. Hypocritical. Plain and simple.

    Oh, the best friend card.

    There we go. And I'm supposed to believe that now am tell you how very sorry I am?

    You won't get no consternation-bomb from me, lying man.

    You never said anything against them, that may be.

    That's not what I said you did either.

    Stick to the facts, liar.

  • @Skullchaser08 I call you that so that you will know the regard in which people like you are held. Get your brain sorted out or suffer for it.

  • No, wrong.

    You use these words because of your scatology issue, because of your foul attitude and your perverse, dull witted ignorance of history.

    You almost embody everything you blame me for and you are not even aware of it, which is why I like to come back and see what you came up with now.

    Irony and hypocrisy, that's all I see in you.

    Hahaha!!

    You think I suffer because some brainwashed zombie calls me mean names on the internet?

    Oh man, get your head fixed. xD

  • Hey comedian, where are you?

    You are neglecting your "social duties" here!

    Come back, don't leave this board to the blood drinking, baby eating Nazi zombies, you irresponsible fanatic!

  • @Skullchaser08 I am here, keeping an eye on you and all the other Nazi scum. Attempt one of your historical lies, and you'll be hearing from me. But it's been a long time since you attempted any of that. Wonder why!

  • You know what's funniest?

    I didn't lie. Not at all.

    But I know what you mean of course, the non-mainstream knowledge bits and pieces of information that let one see the matter from a whole new perspective.

    You are afraid of that, aren't you?

    They could make your easy world view very obsolete very quickly.

    Maybe I should give you a little work and see what nonsense you come up with.

    Yeah, sounds like fun.

  • @Skullchaser08 "Non mainstream knowledge". Is that what you call it Presumably you mean nonsense cooked up by someone else.

  • No, I meant exactly what I said.

    It's the stuff you don't learn in school and never see on the mass media, yet has a valid source and is apparently true.

    The dangerous stuff you could say, the forbidden knowledge of our times.

  • @Skullchaser08 Sir, the stuff you utter isn't worth a damn!

  • So here we go, some random facts:

    English government had to keep the German offerings in the German-Polish conflict secret from the English public to be able to escalate the conflict into a war without civil uproar.

    Hitler even offered to reinstall an independent Polish nation on 6. October 1939, if only France and England took back their declarations of war.

    He was the last one offering peace, but England and France preferred to escalate a local conflict into a world war again.

  • @Skullchaser08 Here is one for you! After the Rhineland, after Austria, after the Sudetenland, after Prague, after the Kristaqllnacht, after the attack on Poland, the British people decided to, in Chamberland's words, "put an end to it", to Hitler's rampage across Europe. It wasn't clear to him how we would accomplish that, but it turned out he had an unexpected ally--Hitler himself. In the end we bouth 38 countries into the war against Hitler. Our policy was to defeat and conquer Germany.

  • Oh no, you got it all wrong! D:

    Fist of all, the British people didn't decide anything.

    They were fooled and commanded by the politicians caste, and who of the people didn't obey, well, Defence Regulation 18B or worse, just look at Joyce.

    Hitler's rampage? You flipping idiot.

    That was nothing but the aftermath of Versailles, but of course you don't see the connenction. Rhineland, Austria, Sudetenland, Poland, Hitler took back what was German.

  • @Skullchaser08 There have been some excellent studies of HO public opinion documents presented to the government daily, showing that from first to last, the war against Hitler was driven by the animus the BRitish people felt towards Hitler and the Nazi regime. Politicians were supported and dropped depending on their perceived opposition to hitler and determination to win the war at all costs. This was a war was about democracy, racial tolerance and the rights of the common man.

  • Don't sing it, bring it.

  • @Skullchaser08 More and more, you just play around, which is fine with me. As long as you are not sewing counter-information and lies.

  • The studies I mean.

    Bring the studies, don't sing of them.

    I can't understand how someone who doesn't quote what he says can talk about "counter-information and lies".

    Haven't you had enough hypocrisy for one lifetime already?

  • Look at that fool, bragging about his nation throwing 38 others soldiers into the fires of war to fight and die for their selfish cause.

    Yes, you're British, through and trough.

  • But it didn't really work.

    WWII broke Britain and ended the Empire. It ended up with us as a nation flooded with immigrants and our domination in Asia at an end. And with it all the trade, business and commerce almost at an end. Thanks to the USA's conditions on it's entry into WWII. Our supposed allies.

    Poland ended up being occupied by a far more brutal regime than the Nazi's. Thanks in part to Britain.

    Germany has BMW, Mercedes, Land Rover, Chrysler, Mini.

    We have Vauxhall.

  • @AngloSaxon1921 An empire of hundreds of millions of impoverished peasants living in misery isn't exactly greatness. Yes, the US made us pay for everything, as we would have made them pay if the position had been reversed. Nobody was an innocent babe. We drove the best bargain we could and so did they. Without them we could not have won as easily as we did. As for Poland, you are mistken. The Nazis murdered 6 million Poles--they were far worse off under Hitler than under Stalin. Cheer up!

  • The Nazis murdered 6 million Pole's? Did they? Says who?

    You're left-wing, clearly. Did you know that it was accepted historical fact that the Nazi's murdered 20,000 Polish Officers. That was until Gorbachev spilled the beans and admitted it was a Soviet war crime. Makes you wonder eh mate? What else are we wrong about.

    We sided with the most tyrannical regime in the history of mankind, who's dictator is the greatest mass murderer of all time. The Soviet Union and Josef Stalin.

  • @AngloSaxon1921 The figure is between 5.5 and 5.7 million. Google the wikipedia article on WWII casualties. The figure is fully footnoted and officially accepted. Remember that 3+ million of that is Polish Jews, Poland having the highest per capita Jewish population in Europe.

    My politics are left on some things, right on others, but that is irrelevant. Re the Katyn Massacre, no that doesn't make me wonder about Auschwitz, et al. The Nazis were wirse, slaughtering Slavs and Jews wholesale.

  • The Katyn affair doesn't make you wonder what else we believe right is actually wrong?

    Wow.

    Help me please, my English is not good enough to deal with this.

    What's the strongest word describing ignorance you know?

  • @Skullchaser08  Oh! You're still breathing. The strongest word to describe ignorance? Try Skullchaser08 or Nazislimebag!

  • Of course I'm still breathing.

    You just were not very "productive" when I didn't push you.

    You admitted freely a huge, barefaced lie doesn't make you suspicious.

    Yet you see me as a synonyme for ignorance.

    No man, you've gone beyond reason.

    You're driveling.

  • @Skullchaser08 Refresh my memory! In your mind of minds, what "barefaced lie" did I admit to.

  • "the Katyn Massacre, no that doesn't make me wonder about Auschwitz, "

  • @Skullchaser08 Have you gone loony?

  • No you punk, I "refreshed your memory" as you had asked.

    If you don't remember you wrote that, just scroll down.

    Fucking idiot.

  • @Skullchaser08 I don't know what the devil you're talking about, you Nazi scumbag. But I'm putting a stop to it now.

  • Every 13 year old bystander would be able to read the last 5 comments and understand what I said and quoted.

    But no, you're too thick for that.

    Yeah, quit it, good idea.

    You were lousy in the beginning, but you're completely ridiculous by now.

    To stupid to remember what you wrote, to stupid to scroll down and take a look.

    It's bed time for you, fuckhead.

  • @mc0558 agreed, there are far too many people who say that the Holocaust never happened. Are they mad! The movies, the testimonies of both survivors and Nazi soldiers alike say otherwise.

    These misguided, gullible and stupid people would have us believe that the story of the Holocaust is one huge conspiracy, I put it to them that it did happen and to prove otherwise. Not by bluster or profanities. By reasoned argument. Something I think they are incapable of

  • @TheArchangelxxi Mad, ignorant and completely irresponsible! 

  • Haha, look, he's talking about himself again. xD

  • @TheArchangelxxi I think we should imprison any deniers for life and subject them to harsh re-education. 

  • @Apteryxrules Then you become a fascist.

  • Muhaha, how very liberal of you! :D

    Seriously, what gives you the right to dictate what others may think and speak?

    You walking irony, I can hear 1984 talking straight out of your thoughts, if you get what I mean.

  • Hey, you're talking about me.

    Why not adress me directly, are you scared or what?

  • To the people who read that and just wanted to see the video without obscenities in the comments, I'm sorry. :/

    But boy, it felt good to write that and roar out all the anger.

    Gutterspeak? Yeah, sure. Sorry.

    Sunken to personal level? Hell yeah, but I don't even feel guilty.

    He's been asking for it for far to long now.

    I hope he get's reasonably now that he got a taste of his own medicine.

    (Off to play some guitar now to calm down) :D

  • And what's wrong with my channel page, you raving idiot?

    There are some videos I found interesting/funny, a commitment to greatness and justice, my favourite Sci-Fi character and comments of friends and some idiots that wanted to pick a fight that I have to delete at some point.

    What's "neo-Nazi" style supposed to be anyway?

    Swastikas and runes and flags or what?

    Care to explain that one?

    Be assured I'm no National Socialist, dude.

    Socialism sucks.

  • @Skullchaser08 We've been down that road before!

  • What road have we been down before, fuckhead?

    Which one do you mean?

    And why is that so important you had to post it twice?

  • @mc0558 The "socialist" road, of which you haven't the slightest understanding. Don't you remember? You, daft bugger that you are, thought that Krupp's selling weapons to the German government at a profit was the equivalent of being owned by the German government.

  • No, of course you hadn't had the slightest understanding.

    Show me a single thing you understood at all.

    But I'll repeat it for you, maybe you'll get it this time.

    Telling a company what to manufacture, how much, what quality, what prices to ask and what wages to pay is de facto owning the company.

    Krupp made profit only if the German government let it, see the price and wage controls introduced in 1936.

    It's called de-facto socialism or Nazi-pattern socialism.

    I hope you got it now.

  • @Skullchaser08 Socialism is not price and wage controls! That is merely state regulation of the economy to avoid inflation! When you are spending monely like water for rearmament, inflation is the natural result.

    Socialism is public ownership of the means of production and distribution, managed by local committees and/or the central organs of the state.

    Can your cretinous mind that on board?

  • OMGWTFCQBBBQ.

    How about you reading my comment a second time and using your brain while doing so? Did you even read it?

    Or even better, read mises. org/daily/1937, unless you are afraid of long texts.

    Lol at your last sentence. Is that how people talk on the island?

  • @ArturAxmann England will be England when whatever hole you're living in is all buggered up!

  • @mc0558 England is "buggered up" today. Have fun with Sharia law, limeytrash. They are going to eat you alive. You have no future. UK is dead. Orwellian surveillance grid state with no rights, no future, no brains, nothing. Dead, England is dead. And for the tens of millions killed in its empire, it deserves to die in pain.

  • @ArturAxmann It seems to me that you think more about the Empire than any person I know. It was a phase in history that has passed. It's legacy is a mixture. It united tribes in Africa to create many of the nation-states extant there today. Perhaps its greatest success was leaving behind a democratic Indian government. Through the Commonwealth Britain close fraternal realations with all its past colonies and dominions. We are pleased--the Empire ended much better than it could have.

  • @mc0558 I think about the hypocrisy and unpunished crimes of the longest lived murder machine in modern history, yes.

    Africa is a disaster, the colonial legacy did nothing but made your old coward families rich.

    India remains a center of social and environmental injustice, only amusing in that they are now buying your corporations. India, France, Germany, Russia all will own the British profits, until the island collapses. The empire ended and England became a slavestate of USA and Israel.

  • What a shame we didn't listen now were fucked.

  • He definately had a good point, didn't he?

  • @ArturAxmann You really dislike the English, don't you? I wonder why . . .

  • @mc0558 Yes I do hate British leadership. The British have acted with infinite hypocrisy and brutality, and have influenced policies which are working for the death of western civilization. The collapse of Europe today can be directly linked to British influence. Today they are being led to destruction and nobody there is trying to stop this.  Perhaps the fate is deserved.

  • @ArturAxmann It was not the British leadership that led to World War II, it was the British people! They pushed the leadership to declare war and to wage war with every ounce of strength they had. The didn't like the look of HItler; they didn't like his bullying tactics and racialism; and they decided to pull him and the Nazis down. They supported Churchill only because Churchill was as determined to wage war on Nazi Germany and win as they were. The Nazi enemy was the British people themselves!

  • @mc0558 The British people have no say,they are sheep. The leaders were afraid of German competition to the dying empire, and would commit suicide to stop it. This they did.

    The British people are peons today owned by the USA and Israel. The land of chavs and layabouts, one rotting public housing estate after another. Which British automaker will Germany own next?

  • @ArturAxmann As Britain stands for the rule of law, parliamentary democracy, respect for the individual, racial tolerance, bravery in the face of threats--all of which we have spread around the world as the ideals of freedom and progress--I can understand why you hate us. You stand for exactly the opposite on all these, and you have the temerity to assert that your barbarism is somehow the essence of Europe. But it is precisely because Europe chose the way of freedom that you hate us. GOOD!

  • @mc0558 Britain stands for decay, lost empire, hypocrisy, murder, genocide, unsustainable massimmigration, ignorance, surveillance, Ami-Israeli dmination, and so on.  The only thing of value GB makes today is television programs.

    The nation which went to war in the name of Poland and then smiled as the Soviet wolves ate her alive.

  • @ArturAxmann Britain stands for historic greatness enshrined in ancient institutions, respect for individual, the rule of law and due process, parliamentary government, social and political justice, educational excellence, a creative and stimulating cultural environment and a peaceful, secure environment in which to live. We are multi cultural and multi racial--GOOD! And we stood by Poland for 80 years and did the best for her that we could.

  • @mc0558 Britain stands for hypocrisy, dishonesty, brutality, genocide, murder, robbery, betrayal, decay, and suicide.

    Multiculti is a false ideal, every group wants dominance. Your rotting old island is soon to be eaten alive by the invaders. You are not multicultural, you are submissive and selfdestructive.

    You smiled as the red hordes invaded Poland and raped her for decades.

  • @mc0558 My suspicion is that you're from the American underclasses. At any rate, Up yours, mate!

  • @mc0558 Oh yes! We beat your ass into the ground, didn't we?

  • Has the guy gone on vacation?

  • @Skullchaser08 Out of place, but I can't find the location of you latest. So, Stalin was going to follow up the brilliant success of his Army against Finland by attacking Germany? Only you and the weak remenants of your Big Lie Nazi cohorts can come up with such nonsense. You forget the first rule of Nazi News. Goebbels did say that while the news can be false it can never be unbelievable!

  • See the fucking quote.

    Are you to idiotic or do you want to lie it away with your "Goebbels said, Goebbels said"?

    It's not Goebbels, it's Stalin, on 5. May 1941, stupid.

    Finland was Stalins test run of the Red Army for the great invasion.

    When they stopped getting their asses kicked and started to achieve major victories and breaking the Finish defense lines in 1940, Stalin knew his Red Army was ready for large scale action.

    Much like Hitler did in the Spanish civil war.

  • @Skullchaser08 I read the quote you gave and disputed the meaning you gave it. You are trying to argue that the Soviet Union was about to attack Germany when Hitler attacked it. NO one believes this except you, and for obvious reasons, you Nazi bastard!

  • Also, give me a break.

    I'm moving houses right now so I won't be able to smack your bullshit back in your face for a while.

    You could use the opportunity however to quote some more numbers that don't fit nowhere, lolz! xD

  • @Skullchaser08 Yes! 4 million is way over the the top! You low-life moron! The correct figure for the the number of Poles who died (within Poland's 1939 boarders) at the hands of the Nazis is 5.6 to 5.8 MILLION. 16.5% of the Polish population!

    Look it up!

  • No, YOU quote me the figure.

    No preaching water and drinking wine in here.

  • @Skullchaser08 I have quoted you the figures, you daft bugger!

  • Are you sure?

    That means I missed the quotes.

    Please copy them back in and post them again.

  • @Skullchaser08 What in the world are you going on about now. You are a total waste of time. If you do not believe the 5.6-5.8 million figure, just google "world war II dead by country". It's not a matter about which there are opinions; although it is a matter about which Nazi douchebags like yourself regularly practice "the Big Lie".

  • What the hell are you talking about now?

    What is that 5.6-5.8 million figure supposed to be?

    Are you sure you are talking to me or are you referring to someone's other comments and just failed to click in the right place?

    I said nothing that would be answerable with "5.6-5.8 millions", or did I?

  • @Skullchaser08 What is this figure , 5.6-5.8 million supposed to be? Are you incapable of reading? Are you incapable of using the computer and looking up Poland's wwii war dead? This figure numbskull is the number of Poles murdered by the German invaders/occupiers between 1939 and 1945. Has that finally sunk in? It better hand as this is the last time I am going to tell you.

  • So back that number up with some source or I will stab the "Bullshit!"-flag right into it.

    Maybe I should stab it into you, too. :)

  • @Skullchaser08

    Have a look at the citation below! Check out footnote 44 to get the varied sources of the 5.6-5.8 million, as the Germans didn't keep a tally of how many they just blew up when the systematically levelled Warsaw block by block, for example. Indeed at the end of the war they did everything they could to destroy records, dismantle crematoria, etc. to hide their enormous crimes.

    en. wikipedia. org/ wiki/ World_ War_II_ casualties

  • @Skullchaser08 Quotes for the figures given for the dead in Poland! Are you nuts or just having me on?

  • Skullchaser08 either reads neonazi propaganda or is sitting there 24/7 manufacturing one historical lie after another. Why in the world does he do that? It is one thing to study history and learn the lessons it has to teach; it is another to willfully falsify both, unless, of course, one is by nature evil! Is that what we are dealing with here? A deeply corrupt, disturbed individual?

  • Oh yes, I am so very evil.

    I have ascended to this world from the black depths of hell, sent by the Lord of Flies himself, to bring death and destruction to this world once more.

    I willfully falsify what happened, so that total puzzlement shall arise, under the veil of which I will establish my power and reign over the people of this world, who shall then be my slaves and so on.

    -

    Oh boy, I couldn't resist. :)

    You're getting ridiculous, you know?

    Fine with me though, let's carry on. :D

  • @Skullchaser08 Dog! You say you are not a Nazi, and that you are not an antisemite. How then do you account for you YouTube site? And I see that you are a Russian! I can't believe it: a traitor to all the heroic Russians who fought and died to save us all from Nazism. My God! You family must be proud of you. You make me vomit!

  • Nemmersdorf is what those "heroic Russians" stand for.

    Katyn. Broniki.

    Metgethen. Treuenbrietzen.

    Winniza. Wusterwitz.

    Schulzenwalde.

    Sprindort.

    They saved nobody.

  • @Skullchaser08

    You are sure a victim of the Nazi propaganda!

    Or why the hell do you write about Nemmersdorf?

    Its ture that the Red Army did horrible things to the people of Nemmersdorf..

    But what did the Germans do long before Nemmersdorf happen?

    They invaded, France, Belgium, Netherland, Denmark, Sweden Norway, Poland,Czech, Russia and so on... and that without murder, rape and violence?? (Irony).

    Who saved those people???

  • Specify that claim of propaganda.

    I smell a thoughtless killer phrase.

    And why did they invade all those nations?

    Poland just asked for it, so they got it.

    France had every choice not to declare war, too.

    Russia was invaded in a preventive operation.

    Norway was invaded to secure the vital ressources there from the British, Denmark to make the invasion in Norway possible.

    Sad, but necessary.

    Sweden was not invaded by Germany at all, you punk.

  • @Skullchaser08

    The conquer attack of the Russians and one of the results: the massacre of Nemmersdorf. Was used by the Nazi Propaganda to tell the people how cruel the Russians are!

    But the Germans did those things first!

    The Germans had never to fear an Invasion of any neighbour country.

    But Hitler, who had the goal to get the World Domination, had no other goal than to attack all other countries! And spread lies, about Jews, other Nations etc. just to justify his war!

  • Stalin training paratroopers, which are the offensive unit per se, building tanks that only are useful on good middle-european roads (KW-1), stationing 100 divisions on the German border when there are only 6 German divisions.

    Soviet soldiers get Russian-German dictionaries handed out to help them say "What city is this", "where do the soldiers hide", "where are the weapons hidden" in German.

    No, never worry.

    There's no invasion coming.

  • @Skullchaser08

    About the thing that Stalin prepared an invasion of germany!

    Ofc he prepared, I told you already, Hitler wrote in his book "Mein Kampf" that he gonna invade Russia!

    And therefore he build his army, thats not a history secret!

    He prepared against an aggressor, Like Hitler prepared a war against Russia!

    And bad for the Nazis, they didnt built tanks who were able to drive in the deep snow (most of them had to small chains), or they didnt start at -20°C.

  • I can see the bitter irony you produced yourself.

    If the Germans prepared since 1933 (Hitler's rise to power) for a German-Russian war according to Mein Kampf, then how comes they didn't think of tanks that could handle harsh Russian weather?

    How comes 3 million men were sent to Russia in light summer equipment, when the Germans painstakingly prepared war since 6 years?

    Big hole in your theory.

    And no, Hitler didn't take it too lightly.

    I'm just waiting for you to make that mistake. :)

  • @Skullchaser08

    The invasion of russia was planed to be at the summertime, but Italy had problems with the greek invasion, therefore the russia invasion got a delay of over 3 months!

    And Hitler was insane, he didnt listen to his Officers.

    Some of them knew it was to late, they also knew that with every day that passes, the Red Army becomes stronger and stronger!

    In 1940, for example, the Red Army was pretty weak.

    And then the winter came a month, to early.

    You can call this bad luck or destiny.

  • @MeRedZack The invasion was scheduled for early May. It was postponed 6 weeks because of the Balkan situation and took place on June 22nd. The Balkan situation wasn't only that Mussolini's glorious reassertion of the Roman Empire in Greece had . . . 'got stuck'. :-) (Good ole Duce!) It was also that Hitler's puppet in Yugoslavia, the Regent, Prince Paul, was overthrown, and Yugoslavia entered the war on Britain's side.

  • Oh yes, good ol' Duce did more harm then good.

    He was the ally you want your enemies to have.

    22. June, cursed date.

    Early enough to beat Stalin to it, yet too late to win in the end.

    Better late than not at all, but that one is bitter.

  • @Skullchaser08 Never forget, Russians retreat, pulling the enemy further and further inside their country, stretching their lines of communication, enveloping them, here and there fighting a delaying action, waiting for Winter to set in. This strategy was developed by Barclay de Tolly. Even under the most favourable of circumstances, if Russia holds together politically, it may very well be impossible to defeat. Monty put it this way: "The first rule of warfare is, DON'T MARCH ON MOSCOW!"

  • I agree.

    Russia is a graveyard.

    Those who go there die there, no matter if they're Mongols, French or German.

    No matter what you do to Russia, it rises again.

    Not like a phoenix, none of that romantical shit, but like a murderous zombie to slaughter those who think they defeated it.

    Russia. Where evil and greatness flow right into another.

    Strange.

    You could say the same thing about Germany.

  • @Skullchaser08 I like Russia. I am grateful to Russians for having saved many British lives by weakening the Wehrmacht so much that when my father and uncles assaulted the continent, it wasn't able to put up the kind of fight it otherwise would have. I admire Russians--their guts!. Ich habe auch Deutschland sehr gerne. Ein schoenes Land; ein nettes Volk.

    Enough said!

  • @Skullchaser08 This is a straight forward lie on your part! Stalin had no intention of attacking Nazi Germany in 1941. He even refused to believe that with Britain, backed by the US (whose industrial production Stalin respected,) an unresolved issue on his western flank that Hitler would be so foolish as to attack him until that had been sorted out. This is the historical reality; stop lying!

  • I hate to repeat myself, but you seem to need it.

    "Der Plan des Krieges ist bei uns fertig. Flugplätze sind gebaut. Landeplätze und Flugzeuge der 1. Linie befinden sich schon dort. Alles zur Bereinigung des rückwärtigen Gebietes ist getan, alle fremden Elemente sind entfernt. Folgerung: Im Laufe der nächsten zwei Monate können wir den Kampf mit Deutschland beginnen.“

    Stalin on 5. May 1941 (quoted by A. von Thadden and W. Strauss)

    Get a translation tool if you need it.

  • @Skullchaser08 ; That Stalin expected to be attacked by Nazi Germany ONE DAY is clear, but he took Hitler's words in "Mein Kampf" seriously: Germany must avoid "war on two fronts" at all costs. With Britain still very much in the war AND backed by the US, far and away the world's mightiest industrial power, why would Hitler break his cardinal rule in 41? Whatever, he did! Your quote is a piece of false intelligence or is misinterpreted. Stalin expected to be attacked in 1942, not 41.

  • No no, you mixed up with the passive form.

    Stalin expected to attack in 1941.

  • @Skullchaser08 Why didn't the German generals prepare for winter war conditions before they invaded Russia? Ah! Because faced with the racial superiority of the German people and the genius of the German Fuehrer and his generals, the Russians were certain to capitulate in 6 to 8 weeks. If little Finland could give them such a headache, think what the Wehrmacht would do! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!

  • My explanation is better:

    They had no time to prepare before the Red Army would have went for them.

    See the quote.

    No, it is not false intelligence or misinterpreted, but of course you deny it as it doesn't fit your (very easy black and white) views.

    How the hell would you be able to misinterpret that quote at all?

    Stalins held that speech.

    5. May 1941, Frunse academy.

    Google it.

  • @Skullchaser08 Ah! So you Nazi bastards feel free to invade countries when it is convenient for you. Indeed! That is precisely why Mr. Chamberlain decided it was time to put an end to you.

  • Congratulations my man, that's surpreme quality bullshir you produced.

    Well done.

  • @mc0558 And by doing so he and the piece of shit Churchill have put an end to their own island. England is dead.

  • @ArturAxmann You're a crank!

  • @mc0558 You are a limey hypocrite, enslaved to a dying island.

    Continue to cry about the losses of Poles as your nation betrayed them and fed them to the red barbarians.

    Fuck England. It deserves to die, and will be slaughtered by the invaders.

    Oh yes, and wikipedia is not considered a reliable source in any branch of academia. History is not a Spielberg film.

  • @ArturAxmann What an asshole!

  • I don't want to defend murderers and war criminals of any nation or ethnicity, understand me right there.

    But there were good and urgent reasons for the military actions you named.

    They were not performed in the name of bloodshed and brutality.

    Nemmersdorf was just that.

    Bloodshed and brutality.

    It's become a symbol, that's why I named it first.

    If you think the Wehrmacht was worse in any way than the Red Army, name a crime and I will double or triple it with Soviet bestiality.

  • @Skullchaser08

    I didnt say the Red Army was better than the Wehrmacht!

    But We shouldn´t forget about the Waffen-SS ;)!

    But compared to the Germans, the Red Army can justify their actions, cause it was an counter attack!

    Violance always cause counter violance.

    And dont tell me, the Wehrmacht was nice.

    Both of my Grandfathers, and 5 Granduncles, went to Russia, as Wehrmacht soldiers.

    Ofc. they didnt kill jews and civs, that was the job of SS soldiers.

    But burning down towns was their job, too.

  • Counter violence you say?

    I'd like to know what the people of Nemmersdorf did to the Russians.

    I'd really like to know how the women of Berlin had attacked them.

    Surely you can't be serious!

    We're talking civillians here, innocents goddamnit!

    You think there is a justification for the rape and murder of girls not even 8 years old?

    Dude, I don't know you, but you really make me sick.

    You must have no idea what you're saying.

  • @Skullchaser08

    Look thats the reason why I called you victime of Nazi Propaganda!

    The Massacre of Nemmersdorf happened 1944, and 23 people were killed

    and maybe raped, its not sure!

    And 1944, the Nazis already killed MILLIONS OF CIVS from other countries, and raped too and the Red Army had to walk throuh burned towns! masacres caused by the Waffen SS and Wehrmacht!

    Millions of jews were sitting and dieing in German KZ´s!

    And then the Red Army arrieved at Nemmersdorf, they took revange!

  • Yeah, right, of course.

    Ever heard of the infamous "Fackelmänner-Befehl"?

    Stalins Order Nr. 0428 on 17. November 1941.

    You might wanna google it before talking that much nonsense.

    So there we are, who tells me it's not you who is the victim of propaganda?

    Soviet? Or American? Or the very subtle, yet very effective British brand?

    There's no solution in blaming the other one, now is there?

  • @Skullchaser08

    Ofc I know that.

    But am I right, you wanna tell me now, that the Red Army caused all of the destruction in their country and not the Nazis?

    Iam no on the side of the Red Army, but I can understand them!

    Should they have allowed the Nazis to conquer their Country?

    And get killed by the propaganda?

    And Stalin was as evil as Hitler. He killed the people of russia, like Hitler killed germans!!

    My main point is Nationalism is EVIL!

    Stalin was a NAZI, too, but a red one!

  • I never said all anywhere, did I?

    I just think you HUGELY underappreciate that measure.

    And do you think the Germans should have stood idly by and watch the Soviets invade and get carried off into Siberian death camps by the Tscheka?

    I sense a double standard, a big one.

  • @Skullchaser08

    It doesnt matter how they call themself, if you go far left or right, you will meet!

    Hitler was right extremist and Stalin was left extremist, And stood at the same spot.

    They did the same things, they invested all into War Machinery and killing people who thought different!

    The attack of Germany made Stalin powerfull.

    At the begin of the Russian invasion, many russian hoped to get rid of Stalin, and then they were killed by germans.

  • You got that exactly wrong.

    Nationalism is relatively harmless.

    Nationalist states have existed throughout history and had its share of problems, but only when Socialism came along the shit really hit the fan bigtime.

    Socialism is the part that made Nationalsocialism murderous.

    Stalin was a Socialist/Communist, but no Nationalist.

    Name a single socialistic nation where no major bloodshed occurred because of it and I will give you a happy, peaceful nationalistic state for each it did.

  • @Skullchaser08 Hitler's socialism was non-existent! He nationalized nothing! There were a series of programs designed to promote Volkesgemeinschaft such as Kraft durch Freude, most of which existed very briefly and had to be curtailed because of the economic strain of rearmament.

    Name a socialist nation where no bloodshed occurred. Try the UK, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, and Holland--or perhaps they don't fit the definition of socialism you're looking for.

  • He nationalised nothing, you say?

    Yet the government told the companies what to produce, how much, what quality, what wages would be payed, decided what prices would be paid, etc. ?

    The private ownership of the means of production existed on paper, nowhere else.

    Even price and wage controls were established in 1936.

    It's de facto socialism, as von Mises named it.

    You can call it Nazi-pattern socialism, but it's fully-fledged.

    Seems as if you don't know what you're talking again.

  • @Skullchaser08 You apparently believe that if the goverment buys a company's products that makes the company government property. Please, continue to think that if it pleases you. Considering the range of your obsessive stupidities, it's harmless enough. As for Mises supporting your claims, in this, as in so much else, Mises was mistaken. German companies were happy to fulfil German government orders. They made a profit on every transaction. . . until, in the end, everything collapsed.

  • You apparently didn't understand me, neither did you understand Ludwig von Mises.

    The German government executed each and every single right the private owner would have normally. Private ownership existed on paper only, as the private "owner" had nothing to say, happy or not, profit or not.

    This is what de facto socialism means.

    Mises was right, get over it.

  • @Skullchaser08 Anyone who holds that a free market is always self-correcting, guaranteeing perpetual prosperity, as Mises did, is an idiot. Many things in Nazi Germany existed merely on paper. Private property is private property, whether you like or agree with the government or not. But I see no evidence that German businessmen were any less Nazi than everyone else> Joyful in 41; happy but concerned in 42; worried by determined in 43; depressed and frightened in 44.

  • @Skullchaser08 "nationalism is relatively harmless" -- there's another Nazi "big lie" for you. The wars waged by competing nationalisms are endless: England and France, for instance, for about 300 years. Poland and Russia for 200. Most recently, Hitler and the rest of Europe for a 40 million dead bloodbath.

  • That's the rabulistic I hate so much.

    I said Nationalism is relatively harmless compared to Socialism, which is the truly murderous component.

    And yes, Nationalism caused or escalated wars and conflicts, though the real horrid bloodbaths occured not until Socialism came into play.

    The 20th century was the most waring, bloody and deathfilled in human history, and even before advanced weaponry I blame Socialism/Communism for it.

    Yes, I do, and R.J. Rummel says I'm right. ;)

  • Also, what you listed is not Nationalism, but the greedy, waring nobilities Nationalism finally put an end to.

    You should be ashamed of yourself to mix that up, dude, it's like mistaking a cow for its butcher; not even remotely imaginable unless you are quite mentally handicapped.

    Or did you do it on purpose?

  • @MeRedZack How can Stalin have been AS evil as Hitler, since he made a huge contribution to Hitler's defeat. I still believe that Nazism was worse than Marxism-Leninism, and Hitler worse than Stalin. I agree we are rummaging around the bottom of the barrel here, but I think Hitlerism was a living nightmare--a perversion of the human soul. Whereas Marxism-Leninism was rationalist experiment that when horribly, horribly wrong.

  • "I still believe that Nazism was worse than Marxism-Leninism"

    Hahahahaha!!!

    Now I see what stupid creature I'm dealing with here!

    Nationalsocialism = Bolshevism.

    Except for the number of victims, the Bolsheviks scored way way higher there.

    Remeber, Gulag > KZ.

    "Marxism-Leninism was rationalist experiment that when horribly, horribly wrong."

    Now that's beyond ridiculous.

    You're a Soviet-aesthetic or something like that?

  • @Skullchaser08 All you do is say, "No, no, no; you're wrong; you're stupid. " To this, the only answer possible is, "No, I'm not. You are!"

  • My great-aunt was in the Waffen-SS.

    She was a nurse somewhere near the eastern front, as far as I know.

    Her life was a living hell after '45, just knowing from the little she ever talked about it to anyone.

    She died of a heart attack, barely over 40 years old.

    What I know though, even the SS was not as evil and murderous as it is pictured today.

  • @Skullchaser08

    "I'd like to know what the people of Nemmersdorf did to the Russians."

    What did the jews do, to the germans? What did the Russians, the Polish and other all the other victimes do to the Nazis, that justify their murder or invasion?!?!

    You never met your great-aunt who was in the Waffen-SS!

    But 1 of my Grandfathers and 2 of my Granduncles still live (they were 18 back then, now over or almost 90)!

    And they saw the crimes, caused by the Waffen-SS and some Wehrmacht soldiers.

  • Oh, I can tell you what the Polish did. They piled up over 60.000 German corpses from 1919 to 1939. Yeah, civillians did it. The Jews? Daily Express on 24. March 1933 Headline "Judea declares War on Germany". Makes an excellent excuse, at least. And the Russians prepared their invasion themselves, but were beaten to it by a few weeks. Your question's answered with that? Fine, then answer mine. What did the people of Nemmersdorf do to the Russians?
  • @Skullchaser08

    Daily Express on 24. March 1933

    Headline "Judea declares War on Germany".

    Tomorrow the Bild writes "Christianity declares War on Germany".

    And that justify the murder of millions of christians?

    I dont get your point!

    "What did the people of Nemmersdorf do to the Russians?"

    If the Germans would have never attacked russia, there were no massacre of Nemmersdorf. And thse people were no victims of "total war" caused by Hitler!