watch?v=Flrsx8tiWIE&feature=related This guy at the starty of this clip is training people in sanda, see how it favours the take down always, these lads are doing a bit of a kickboxing match, I said why I think their coach calls it kung fu before, and like I said I think it's really good they are using a style that will defend them in real life, but every tuppence hapenny dickhead who calls it sanda doesn't know what they are talking about
Kung fu, just means hard work and dedication, this is not sanda, sanda is readily identified by it's take downs. There are so many different forms of kung fu, and to be honest most of them are dog shit nowadays, it's been lost etc., yeah these lads are doing a bit of kickboxing, and their coach probably calls himself a kung fu coach because that sells, so fuckin what, they've had not bad training, end of story.
@ninemen123 you sir are wrong about many things, this is indeed sanda. and it is crap. and kung fu litteraly means technique, b4 us westerners started calling it kung fu the workd kung fu could be used as so. ( a guy working in a kitches tossing knives and such could be told "you have good kung fu") most forms of kung fu are not shit. people just are so brain washed by mma thinking its the standard for fighting when it is only a sport, that they dont understand most forms of kung fu.
@MDNSBS I trained at Shaolin, its not Sanda, you sir are talking out of your ass, it's actually gung fu as it happens. Kung fu teaches humility? how come theyre obsessed with stage displays? if they had fighters who were good, you would see them dominate everything, some of them can fight because there's a billion of em, I studied at the best school in China and they can't really fight that well Kung fu was outlawed so long and when it returned it was all about doing a show, I was correct before
@ninemen123 I'm sorry but which schools did u learn at, the name of your teacher as well as the style that you learned? Could you list them out in Chinese since you've studied there for sometime (on the presumption that you've studied in the best school in China etc). By the way, I'm not trying to insult you or anything but to make such big statements, I'm sure you have something to back it up right?
P.s. in hanyin pinyin (for mandarin at least) pls spell gung fu as gong fu :)
@ninemen123 haha, I hope I didn't come across offensive or meaning any offense :) I didn't say in anyway whether you can recognise Sanda or not, pls don interpret anything from what I said as that. Rather I was asking for your credentials as a chinese martial artist cause there are alot of trollings around with no evidence. Whats the name of your school? Surely you can remember your school's name and at least your teacher's name right? Which Sect/faction is he from too?
@darkrider123 It's called The school at Tagou, it's very famous, real Shaolin Kung fu handed down from the original ten Shaolin boxers, I had many teachers, and I don't really want to criticise the place, all I'm saying is that modern wushu is based on performance arts, that's why the stage shows look so awesome, the Chinese government are heavily focused in that area and it is not the best way to train fighters, in fact that isn't their aim at all, they don't try to train fighters in China
@ninemen123 Yup I agree with you. I am a chinese myself and after the communist took over China, the government has purposfully tried to remove the killing elements from the gong fu thus "turning" it into wu shu. So even though many of the styles of schools still exist, the real skill is actually hidden and preserved away from the public. Its hard to find a gong fu master now, even shao lin will not teach gong fu but wu shu unless you have joined them as a monk and reached a position among them.
@darkrider123 It's a shame because I know they can teach the best in the world if they chose to, I am just glad I didn't waste too long pursuing it, I don't want to spend 5 years standing in Mabu just to realise I can't do anything. I think if you want real fight skills Muay Thai in Thailand wouldn't be a bad shout, but then after that probably escrima Philipines or maybe Krav Maga Israel would be the best of all for real life skills.
@ninemen123 I respectfully request that you find a Choy Li Fat school in the U.S. or in South America and come see for yourself that we have a traditional and very effective system of Chinese boxing for the street and for the ring. You say you studied in China but apparently did not take the time to look into the many traditional styles with aggressive techniques. Go to Foshan to the NATIONAL museum of Hung Sing Choy Li Fat and tell them that they aren't effective fighters. Please take a camera.
@castroherman I have to be able to find it, these guys who teach in parks or whatever cannot be found, you try looking into anything in China and see how far you get it's a difficult place, the so called best and most famous schools in China should teach practical martial arts that can actually be used. Im nowhere near America. Still boxing (west) and next I am going to Israel to do Krav Maga they actually have something good to share with the world unlike China, who don't have it or won't share
@ninemen123 You're wrong, Chinese martial arts have and teach practical fighting techniques. I'm sorry that you seem unable to find someone to "share" them. If you feel that Chinese martial arts don't have anything to offer you then by all means go study something else, compete, and stop wasting time commenting on Kung Fu videos. However, I hope you realize that you're most certainly in the minority if you think that Israel has more to offer the world of martial arts than China does.
@castroherman The difference is though people can think what they like, whereas I know I've sudied many martial arts and I've been to China and they can't fight for shit, lots of fancy jumping around certainly but ultimately it is crap.
@ninemen123 "People can't fight for shit in China" have YOU been to China? Sounds like you're talking shit. You need to learn some discipline and study ONE style for longer than a month until you earn some skill in it. What happened? You went to China, studied Wushu sports, couldn't find some hard core traditional style to learn in a week, since real Kung Fu is a lifelong journey, then left unsatisfied? Just buy a gun, you don't need years of martial arts training to use those and be deadly.
@castroherman oh and yes, I ve been to China, they can't fight for shit, they've been perpetuating a myth for a thousand years and I've found them out. Of course there are fighters in China, but there are a billion people in China so that's not saying much law of averages they have some fighters, but Chinese martial arts are all about dicking around playing games rather than fighting, the begineer boxers I know around here would kick fuck out of them in about 3 seconds, can you fight?
@castroherman Oh and just so you know, I don't need to buy a gun, I can fight, I come from a long line of fighting men who would own any dickhead from China. Adding to that I've been boxing for 15 years, and I studied many martial arts, I also think the thing you said about studying one art was perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I intended to stay in China for a year, but quickly realised they were wasting my time, 3 months of boxing would be better than ten years there, they are crap.
@ninemen123 As amusing as it is to read you flex your internet muscles, I think I've had quite enough of you and your disrespectful ignorance. To generalize the fighting skills of all the martial artists in China the way you did makes you the worst kind of human being: arrogant about your ignorance. I feel sorry you think dedicating your life to one style is a waste, apparently you're a dabbler, a dilettante and you sound delusional. Go train and stop wasting your time with us mere mortals.
@castroherman What I think your problem is, is that you've wasted a load of time in China learning how to jump up and down in all manner of fancy ways, and you don't want to hear the truth about what you've done, I bet you never sparred once when you were over there something which needs to form the main part of any fighters training as we only learn by doing....
@castroherman As a great man once said "You are like a swimmer who never immersed himself in the water" Do you know what he did as his main fighting form (Bruce Lee)? Boxing, he learned it at school, you can say wing chun and all the rest of it, but the fact is Bruce Lee was a boxer, he only learned his side kick of some taekwondo guy later in life, because you see Bruce Lee didn't stick to one form, unlike you who know better than him because what? oh yeah because you wasted time in China.
@castroherman Also I never generalised about "all the fighters in China" You are either a liar or you need to work on your reading skill, I said they had some good fighters because of law of averages, but yes I do think Chinese martial arts have become shit because the Chinese government wishes to focus on the aesthetics of martial arts and nowadays trains up flowery fists, which is what I think you are.
@ninemen123 yea man in china many people only learn how to do fancy flips, useless jumps and fancy sword paly that really really really prove nothing in combat and have no martial value at all. Yea i also bet that he doesnt sparr even once, the only time he "spars" is when hes performing ,u know the cheoreographed "fight/spar" . Other than that he just wasted half his life there knowing nothing how to apply techniques in fights. Man wushu jsut suck ,stupid chinese governments making it shit now
@ninemen123 continiued after all history states that wushu is ONLY and strictly for sport and perfromance, coz chinese government was scared that the fighting kung fu was used and can be used to fight/rebel against them ,so they made it no fighting at all and more performance ,useless oreinted art that will get killed in fights. Many wushu practitioners know this but they still cant accept that lol.
@ninemen123 continued . Some scold me for saying this truth but most wushu practitioners know this and just cant accept the truth man really ,they them will say like wushu can be used in a fight or shit ,and i say ,if wushu is soo good in combat ,why arnt there any videos of them showing their effectiveness in combat, ALL the wushu guys that i said this to never replied to me again ,why ? coz its the truth theres no vid on them sparring ,coz they dont train to fight/spar . easy as that. Peace
@EbonCrusaderOM82 thx for ur suport , even if dont support me im right lol, im just stating facts thats all, and ur just smart enough to think the same way, after all " Great minds think alikE" haha
@ninemen123 its for show dude never for fighting that why shaolin cant fight for shit, theres one vid im gonna find and show t oya one shaolin monk got knocked the fuck out by an MMA fighter coz shaolin and modern wushu these days never work in fights. Only for show , STRICTLY and almost everywhere in china u see that ,hardly maybe never REAL kung fu
@ninemen123 the reaswon you dont see people doing kung fu in mma is because kung fu is not a sport exept for sanda wich is why i dislike it. the reson you dont see a bunch of kung fu fights on youtube is because real kung fu practitioners dont get into fights and kung fu teaches humility and honor.
This is stupid this is not kung fu, this is sanda!!!! Und Sanda ist so eine scheiße wie kickboxen ufc mma und der andere scheiß, nicht sehr effektiv, im echten kampf kann um leben tod gehen und nicht so ein kinderkramm -.-
@Ultimativnaruto Sanda is kung fu you dickhead. This was good, it wasn't sanda though, that tool doesn't know what he's on about, but it was pretty good kickboxing, and to be honest I don't give a shit what it was, it's nice t see two guys who've been trained in something approximating a real fight for a change. They are not rolling round on the floor like a couple of cunts, or stopping every second, This was good, keep it up.
This looks more like Sanda! chinese national art of fighting,though its derived from kung fu! but judging from the title of the video i thought i was gonna see something like crouching mantis vs the hidden panda or someshit like that!
are u DUMB!!! its sanda / sanshou!!! yeah kicking boxing would be considered in a general term here.. HERE... its SANDA TAKEDWNS ARE ALLOWED thts not kickingboxing buddy... from china under the general term of KUNG FU
While you may be right, their are most definatly eastern schools that have fucked it up, capitalims and litigation culture make it hard for a school to be proiftable when it does fullcontact, and full contact is neccessarily head punches, you can go 60-65% and be working with head punches.
I've found their are more western schools than eastern schools fucking the training up, but it's still possible to find TMA's being taught right, I've done about 8 and only 2 of those didn't do contact spar
True but often MMA fighters tend not to train such techniques.
However I disagree with equinox, things such as the above bout need to happen for every school now and again.
Your students need to face some real hits, and deal them out, contact sparring is a good way to develop timing and look at employing blocks and strikes in a live enviroment.
Unfortunatly certain TMA's have been bastardised by western culture and overlook live drills, in favor of more people friendly training.
@outsidepers - I merely tried to point out to the fact that the above comment on how sanshou is ok and traditional Kung Fu sucks in competition was plain stupid.
I did not say that trad. Kung Fu fighters would or should not engage in sparring fights with rules and with or without protective gear. I actually agree with you and think it is an integral part of training. After all, without it, it would just be gymnastics.
i agree with only have of what u said outsidepers... CUNG LE is an amazing fighter his striking and takedwns come soley from this style of sanshou/ sanda.... HE IS undefeated in kickboxing where he did nt takedwn of course and MMA. the techniques of sanda/sanshou are definityly used in MMA and can be a great help in a resume of a fighter. which has been proven
I do mma and i used to do "kung fu". Yes, a mma fighter can fight with a wepon and other "dirty stuff", however if hes not properly trained he wont be as good at it as if he had done training. Same thing with throwing punches, even if any idiot can punch... boxing is still woth practicing. I need to pracctice my eyejabbs the same way i do my armbars to fully be effective.
Taking in account, that maybe half of all traditional Kung Fu techniques would inflict lasting damage to your opponent, you are probably right.
Trad. KF was/is for serious selfe defence and dislocating joints, breaking bones, piercing eyes, clawing out throats (Rambo 4 anyone), etc. do not go well with friendly turnaments like the one shown in this video.
I'm sick and tired of people claiming that stuff like this isn't Gung Fu. If these guys learn Gung Fu and internalize it as their approach to training and it is how they learned what they are showing, who are you to say what it is and isn't?
This is real life, and I'd put my money on these two before any martial arts movie star or professional Wushu practicioner. Believe me, thousands of years ago, I'm pretty sure that Gung Fu looked like this and not the stuff in the movies.
To opticannon: you are exactly the type of person that I am talking about. I was merely praising the individuals in this clip for their courage and proficiency at doing what they do.
Martial snobs like you are usually the last to fight and the first to talk. Do us all a favor and don't leave your disrespectful comments on videos like these, they contribute nothing.
Web warriors like you know nothing of respect and brotherhood in the martial arts, making you the one who is misinformed.
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dont even try to lay that trip on me . is that the speech you tell yourself to validate YOUR training or lack of. this is what you do, get rid of your so called teacher thats robbing you ( even if he is chinese as hes probably in it for the money and not about to give you closed door kung fu ) do some research and stop being so angry. these guys are fighting under standards literally. ( look at the back wall ) their discipline is not even on par with that of 17 year old golden glovers.
I wasn't laying a trip or making a speech, I was responding to your hate filled and insulting comments. You have nothing constructive to say about these gentlemen, only insults. If you truly consider your vaunted opinion on martial arts so high, why not give out advice, tips, or commentary without being menacing?
Did your teacher teach you to be so cutting, rude, and unsportsmanlike? Because if that's the case, perhaps you should get your money back.
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hate filled, menacing? look, if they or you cant take the cold hard truth then perhaps i should pour a bit of sugar to help the medicine go down? no, i dont mince words as i am as sagacious as i am forthcoming with the truth. my teacher taught me "kung fu" and nothing more. i dont look to him like hes my father or some guru to teach me lessons in ethics nor did i solicite him for such lessons. you keep falling for that shit if you want to and youll never GLEAN just what you SEEK. free your mind
What "cold hard truth" are you talking about? I don't see anything close to truth in your comments, just petty insults.
Everybody in martial arts studies and improves at their own pace, so when you make these pointless remarks about people like these, you accomplish nothing.
You also need to stop associating me or my level of training with these guys. I don't know them, I just wasn't being a punk, unlike yourself.
It's true that martial arts classes aren't ethics seminars, but that's no excuse.
It seems you had time before, but now you're backing down because you've run out of trash to talk. Don't bother with the video, I don't need an instructional tape on how to be a condescending jerkoff.
yeah okay, you keep talking that shit out the side of your neck motherfucker but you tell that story walking. this little nigga talkin bout wutang like thats whats up. like you lived the life. keep your head in the books and the streets out your mouth cause light in the ass college kids gets they shit smashed talkin that stupid shit. you dont know from day one son. you cant jux with the likes of me on some ol real shit son son. if you talked to me like that face to face i would do 60 in cnty.
It's interesting to see how you've degenerated from someone typing in coherent language while being insulting to now becoming some sort of cyber gangsta babbling in typed out ebonics (which looks ridiculous). Are you honestly trying to intimidate me on the comments section of a Youtube video? Take an assessment of your life, man, that's sad.
You've gone completely off topic, and I don't think you ever had a point to make anyway. You need to cool off and stop picking pointless fights.
want to know whats really funny. is that i spent all this time argueing with him about kung fu and the reality of the politics behind the martial arts. i thought i gave good points but, among those that are the herd there is no recogning. so, i made him incriminate himself. what i mean to say is that on his channel hes posing like hes "ghetto" and his favorite music group is wutang. i hope that he takes the medicine that he intended for me. no public victory, so ill take a private one.
lol first of all the whole centerline and chain punches is not universal for all kung fu styles. only style i know that does that is wing chun and probably some others as well. but not every style.
and what do you expect it to look like. a choreography out of a yuen wo ping movie. this is what a real fight looks like. and plust they're not masters either. they probably had just a few years training. so don't expect so much.
Exactly... In fact, most kung fu styles counter the centerline theory, because it involves a lot of circling and sidestepping, efficiency of energy etc... And like you said, this is a real contact fight, they're not masters, real fights are sloppy... It's the human element...
punches and kicks are thecniques,other kung fu techniques are taught for defence against multiple attacks,these guys couldnt use,spear hands or palm strikes,incase they killed each other
Wushu is not Traditional Kung Fu. Wushu is a performance art. Sanda is Chinese kickboxing. Sometimes they're taught side by side. It doesn't make the shitty wushu forms into traditional forms.
well, as a China born and then lived in hong kong nearly 20 yrs Chinese, only i think i'd like to say: kung-fu is how they call wushu in cantonese (which is the dialect spoken in hong kong, where Bruce Lee was from). So... stop arguing what is kung-fu and what is wushu, or ppl will laugh at u :p
PawnzOr you're a dumbass. if punching and kicking is kung fu then why the Fuck are other techniques taught. Hell my 3 year old nephew throws punches and kicks and he's never studied martial arts
obviously neither do you as neither of these two use any Kung Fu. Where are the recognisable KF stances i,e, goat Stance or front stance , Where are the centreline punches , where are the chain punches where are the push kicks , there none of these as neither of the people in the video are using KF
Let me guess. "O shi- this looks like kickboxing lol?" or "where's the ANIMAL HAND SIGNS?!??" or "SPARRING ISN'T THE SAME AS THE DEADLY str33tfighting KUNG FU WAS MEANT FOR DURR!" or "WHERE'S THE KUNG FU PRINCIPULZ LOL!??" or "GLOVES TURN OFF KUNG FOO DURR!"
These responses are false. Don't even bring that shit to the table.
lol...most martial school now is more on business than teaching real martial arts..
when the parents student give gift to their son/daughter Master..the next day thier children is black belt and the master will tell the parents.."your child is ready to defend and a good student ..lol
Dont waste your money in the wrong martial arts school..full of corrupt.
If you want to learn real Martial arts..go to China or Thailand learn thr original skills..Not some schooling crap in your country..
That's right, an agency to test martial arts schools is needed... everyone teaches everything different and you can make a lot of money by running a school. You simply have to find a master you can trust that it's most important to him to teach you as good as he can.
It is so sad when organizers of these events have absolutely no idea what they are doing. The referees are inexperience and poses a danger to the fighter. The ref did nothing to see if the fighter was in any condition to continue. This makes me sick, where is the fight doctor. No style, technique, doctor and brains.
its nothing like muay thai.. i do both and in sanshou u get away with jus running in there brawling.. do that in muay thai and you will be outmanouvered and ktfo
i do both also, i understand what you are saying but it completly depends on what level you are fighting at, i was a fight night in the weekend and watched the wmc national title go to a complete brawler and the guy who he was fighting had just trained in thailand for 6 months and got koed. but i c what you saying i think a better way of saying my point is its more like kickboxing than real muay thai
this is a fight which dosent consist of kungfu blocks i agree its more like k/b. some punches were wild but in a real fight situation you dont have time to block and counter you just go straight for the kill it is a bad example of kungfu i agree.
no power
Elifeftw 3 months ago
kung fu? looks like LOL-fu,no i'm just kidding...
danielxdglaciuus 7 months ago
looks like straight kickboxing to me...are they Sanda fighters? or do they come from more traditional CMA?
iexcalibui2 7 months ago
You do realise that some Chinese martial arts are very much like kick-boxing dont you? Those such as Sanda and San-Shou or watever.
FrankiiXD 10 months ago
Hey, um... You mistyped it and put "Kung-Fu" did you by any chance mean to put "Boxing"?? Cause that was horrible...
WoWhovok 11 months ago
interesting and good fight
soulsparton 1 year ago
decent kickboxing, but no kung fu
elenchus 1 year ago
These days martial artist.....SUCk
their punches are WEAAAAK. if the founder of the art was to find out that their pupils punches were this weak they would cry.
there is no art here it was just a brawl of teenage girls
lovelessAlx 1 year ago 2
test
dvu90 1 year ago
...and yes they do have some great fighters, i'm just saying it's not necessarily the best way to go about it, because it isn't.
ninemen123 1 year ago
watch?v=Flrsx8tiWIE&feature=related This guy at the starty of this clip is training people in sanda, see how it favours the take down always, these lads are doing a bit of a kickboxing match, I said why I think their coach calls it kung fu before, and like I said I think it's really good they are using a style that will defend them in real life, but every tuppence hapenny dickhead who calls it sanda doesn't know what they are talking about
ninemen123 1 year ago
a boxer would destroy these guys litteraly
374541 1 year ago
wtf kinda kung fu is this? that sanda crap? not real kung fu its a karate tkd rip off
MDNSBS 1 year ago
Kung fu, just means hard work and dedication, this is not sanda, sanda is readily identified by it's take downs. There are so many different forms of kung fu, and to be honest most of them are dog shit nowadays, it's been lost etc., yeah these lads are doing a bit of kickboxing, and their coach probably calls himself a kung fu coach because that sells, so fuckin what, they've had not bad training, end of story.
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 you sir are wrong about many things, this is indeed sanda. and it is crap. and kung fu litteraly means technique, b4 us westerners started calling it kung fu the workd kung fu could be used as so. ( a guy working in a kitches tossing knives and such could be told "you have good kung fu") most forms of kung fu are not shit. people just are so brain washed by mma thinking its the standard for fighting when it is only a sport, that they dont understand most forms of kung fu.
MDNSBS 1 year ago
@MDNSBS I trained at Shaolin, its not Sanda, you sir are talking out of your ass, it's actually gung fu as it happens. Kung fu teaches humility? how come theyre obsessed with stage displays? if they had fighters who were good, you would see them dominate everything, some of them can fight because there's a billion of em, I studied at the best school in China and they can't really fight that well Kung fu was outlawed so long and when it returned it was all about doing a show, I was correct before
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 I'm sorry but which schools did u learn at, the name of your teacher as well as the style that you learned? Could you list them out in Chinese since you've studied there for sometime (on the presumption that you've studied in the best school in China etc). By the way, I'm not trying to insult you or anything but to make such big statements, I'm sure you have something to back it up right?
P.s. in hanyin pinyin (for mandarin at least) pls spell gung fu as gong fu :)
darkrider123 1 year ago
@darkrider123 The school at Tagou in Henan province, I think I know Sanda when I see it.
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 haha, I hope I didn't come across offensive or meaning any offense :) I didn't say in anyway whether you can recognise Sanda or not, pls don interpret anything from what I said as that. Rather I was asking for your credentials as a chinese martial artist cause there are alot of trollings around with no evidence. Whats the name of your school? Surely you can remember your school's name and at least your teacher's name right? Which Sect/faction is he from too?
darkrider123 1 year ago
@darkrider123 It's called The school at Tagou, it's very famous, real Shaolin Kung fu handed down from the original ten Shaolin boxers, I had many teachers, and I don't really want to criticise the place, all I'm saying is that modern wushu is based on performance arts, that's why the stage shows look so awesome, the Chinese government are heavily focused in that area and it is not the best way to train fighters, in fact that isn't their aim at all, they don't try to train fighters in China
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 Yup I agree with you. I am a chinese myself and after the communist took over China, the government has purposfully tried to remove the killing elements from the gong fu thus "turning" it into wu shu. So even though many of the styles of schools still exist, the real skill is actually hidden and preserved away from the public. Its hard to find a gong fu master now, even shao lin will not teach gong fu but wu shu unless you have joined them as a monk and reached a position among them.
darkrider123 1 year ago
@darkrider123 It's a shame because I know they can teach the best in the world if they chose to, I am just glad I didn't waste too long pursuing it, I don't want to spend 5 years standing in Mabu just to realise I can't do anything. I think if you want real fight skills Muay Thai in Thailand wouldn't be a bad shout, but then after that probably escrima Philipines or maybe Krav Maga Israel would be the best of all for real life skills.
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 I respectfully request that you find a Choy Li Fat school in the U.S. or in South America and come see for yourself that we have a traditional and very effective system of Chinese boxing for the street and for the ring. You say you studied in China but apparently did not take the time to look into the many traditional styles with aggressive techniques. Go to Foshan to the NATIONAL museum of Hung Sing Choy Li Fat and tell them that they aren't effective fighters. Please take a camera.
castroherman 1 year ago
@castroherman I have to be able to find it, these guys who teach in parks or whatever cannot be found, you try looking into anything in China and see how far you get it's a difficult place, the so called best and most famous schools in China should teach practical martial arts that can actually be used. Im nowhere near America. Still boxing (west) and next I am going to Israel to do Krav Maga they actually have something good to share with the world unlike China, who don't have it or won't share
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 You're wrong, Chinese martial arts have and teach practical fighting techniques. I'm sorry that you seem unable to find someone to "share" them. If you feel that Chinese martial arts don't have anything to offer you then by all means go study something else, compete, and stop wasting time commenting on Kung Fu videos. However, I hope you realize that you're most certainly in the minority if you think that Israel has more to offer the world of martial arts than China does.
castroherman 1 year ago
@castroherman The difference is though people can think what they like, whereas I know I've sudied many martial arts and I've been to China and they can't fight for shit, lots of fancy jumping around certainly but ultimately it is crap.
ninemen123 1 year ago
@castroherman Have you studied martial arts in China?
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 "People can't fight for shit in China" have YOU been to China? Sounds like you're talking shit. You need to learn some discipline and study ONE style for longer than a month until you earn some skill in it. What happened? You went to China, studied Wushu sports, couldn't find some hard core traditional style to learn in a week, since real Kung Fu is a lifelong journey, then left unsatisfied? Just buy a gun, you don't need years of martial arts training to use those and be deadly.
castroherman 1 year ago
@castroherman Can you fight?
ninemen123 1 year ago
@castroherman oh and yes, I ve been to China, they can't fight for shit, they've been perpetuating a myth for a thousand years and I've found them out. Of course there are fighters in China, but there are a billion people in China so that's not saying much law of averages they have some fighters, but Chinese martial arts are all about dicking around playing games rather than fighting, the begineer boxers I know around here would kick fuck out of them in about 3 seconds, can you fight?
ninemen123 1 year ago
@castroherman Oh and just so you know, I don't need to buy a gun, I can fight, I come from a long line of fighting men who would own any dickhead from China. Adding to that I've been boxing for 15 years, and I studied many martial arts, I also think the thing you said about studying one art was perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I intended to stay in China for a year, but quickly realised they were wasting my time, 3 months of boxing would be better than ten years there, they are crap.
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 As amusing as it is to read you flex your internet muscles, I think I've had quite enough of you and your disrespectful ignorance. To generalize the fighting skills of all the martial artists in China the way you did makes you the worst kind of human being: arrogant about your ignorance. I feel sorry you think dedicating your life to one style is a waste, apparently you're a dabbler, a dilettante and you sound delusional. Go train and stop wasting your time with us mere mortals.
castroherman 1 year ago
@castroherman What I think your problem is, is that you've wasted a load of time in China learning how to jump up and down in all manner of fancy ways, and you don't want to hear the truth about what you've done, I bet you never sparred once when you were over there something which needs to form the main part of any fighters training as we only learn by doing....
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 very very true man
MechPhantom 11 months ago
@castroherman As a great man once said "You are like a swimmer who never immersed himself in the water" Do you know what he did as his main fighting form (Bruce Lee)? Boxing, he learned it at school, you can say wing chun and all the rest of it, but the fact is Bruce Lee was a boxer, he only learned his side kick of some taekwondo guy later in life, because you see Bruce Lee didn't stick to one form, unlike you who know better than him because what? oh yeah because you wasted time in China.
ninemen123 1 year ago
@castroherman Also I never generalised about "all the fighters in China" You are either a liar or you need to work on your reading skill, I said they had some good fighters because of law of averages, but yes I do think Chinese martial arts have become shit because the Chinese government wishes to focus on the aesthetics of martial arts and nowadays trains up flowery fists, which is what I think you are.
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 Have fun arguing with yourself from here on out. Tough guy. :)
castroherman 1 year ago
@castroherman The only one arguing was you, I'm just telling you what's what because you obviously don't know.
ninemen123 1 year ago
@ninemen123 yea man in china many people only learn how to do fancy flips, useless jumps and fancy sword paly that really really really prove nothing in combat and have no martial value at all. Yea i also bet that he doesnt sparr even once, the only time he "spars" is when hes performing ,u know the cheoreographed "fight/spar" . Other than that he just wasted half his life there knowing nothing how to apply techniques in fights. Man wushu jsut suck ,stupid chinese governments making it shit now
MechPhantom 11 months ago
@ninemen123 continiued after all history states that wushu is ONLY and strictly for sport and perfromance, coz chinese government was scared that the fighting kung fu was used and can be used to fight/rebel against them ,so they made it no fighting at all and more performance ,useless oreinted art that will get killed in fights. Many wushu practitioners know this but they still cant accept that lol.
MechPhantom 11 months ago
@ninemen123 continued . Some scold me for saying this truth but most wushu practitioners know this and just cant accept the truth man really ,they them will say like wushu can be used in a fight or shit ,and i say ,if wushu is soo good in combat ,why arnt there any videos of them showing their effectiveness in combat, ALL the wushu guys that i said this to never replied to me again ,why ? coz its the truth theres no vid on them sparring ,coz they dont train to fight/spar . easy as that. Peace
MechPhantom 11 months ago
@MechPhantom dude i support your statement wushu is nothing like traditional simply for show.
EbonCrusaderOM82 10 months ago
@EbonCrusaderOM82 thx for ur suport , even if dont support me im right lol, im just stating facts thats all, and ur just smart enough to think the same way, after all " Great minds think alikE" haha
MechPhantom 10 months ago
@ninemen123 its for show dude never for fighting that why shaolin cant fight for shit, theres one vid im gonna find and show t oya one shaolin monk got knocked the fuck out by an MMA fighter coz shaolin and modern wushu these days never work in fights. Only for show , STRICTLY and almost everywhere in china u see that ,hardly maybe never REAL kung fu
MechPhantom 10 months ago
@ninemen123 the reaswon you dont see people doing kung fu in mma is because kung fu is not a sport exept for sanda wich is why i dislike it. the reson you dont see a bunch of kung fu fights on youtube is because real kung fu practitioners dont get into fights and kung fu teaches humility and honor.
MDNSBS 1 year ago
This is stupid this is not kung fu, this is sanda!!!! Und Sanda ist so eine scheiße wie kickboxen ufc mma und der andere scheiß, nicht sehr effektiv, im echten kampf kann um leben tod gehen und nicht so ein kinderkramm -.-
Ultimativnaruto 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto Sanda is kung fu you dickhead. This was good, it wasn't sanda though, that tool doesn't know what he's on about, but it was pretty good kickboxing, and to be honest I don't give a shit what it was, it's nice t see two guys who've been trained in something approximating a real fight for a change. They are not rolling round on the floor like a couple of cunts, or stopping every second, This was good, keep it up.
ninemen123 1 year ago
Da haben se euren freund wohl umgenockt ;) nahja passiert nunmal :)
MariusNerdy 1 year ago
FINISH HIM! :)
Fulou 1 year ago
so at this competition im gussing only striking was allowed and no locks or stuff like that?
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
Hey guys, just because it is a san da/gongfu fight doesn't mean the fighters are showing good gongfu techniques.
ajaben 1 year ago
this isn't kung fu, this is a street fight with pads
crazyc133 2 years ago
it's sanda!
Bzdi138 2 years ago 2
this is sanda = kung fu
HITMANDREAM 2 years ago
@HITMANDREAM Everything is kung fu.
ForwardIntent 1 year ago
yea it's defently sanda
Hateyaall 2 years ago
FINISH HIM!!! xD
Xerasor 2 years ago
This looks more like Sanda! chinese national art of fighting,though its derived from kung fu! but judging from the title of the video i thought i was gonna see something like crouching mantis vs the hidden panda or someshit like that!
mmakid1980 2 years ago 3
@mmakid1980 hahaha
chhunhay 2 years ago
@specialforces69 finally I start to understand the meaning of the word mixed in MMA. Thanks for the hint ;-)
EquinoxIV 2 years ago
One of those kickboxing videos disguising under the name "Kung Fu" again......
Skillking22 2 years ago
are u DUMB!!! its sanda / sanshou!!! yeah kicking boxing would be considered in a general term here.. HERE... its SANDA TAKEDWNS ARE ALLOWED thts not kickingboxing buddy... from china under the general term of KUNG FU
oasisspirit 2 years ago
While you may be right, their are most definatly eastern schools that have fucked it up, capitalims and litigation culture make it hard for a school to be proiftable when it does fullcontact, and full contact is neccessarily head punches, you can go 60-65% and be working with head punches.
I've found their are more western schools than eastern schools fucking the training up, but it's still possible to find TMA's being taught right, I've done about 8 and only 2 of those didn't do contact spar
outsidepers 2 years ago
True but often MMA fighters tend not to train such techniques.
However I disagree with equinox, things such as the above bout need to happen for every school now and again.
Your students need to face some real hits, and deal them out, contact sparring is a good way to develop timing and look at employing blocks and strikes in a live enviroment.
Unfortunatly certain TMA's have been bastardised by western culture and overlook live drills, in favor of more people friendly training.
outsidepers 2 years ago
@outsidepers - I merely tried to point out to the fact that the above comment on how sanshou is ok and traditional Kung Fu sucks in competition was plain stupid.
I did not say that trad. Kung Fu fighters would or should not engage in sparring fights with rules and with or without protective gear. I actually agree with you and think it is an integral part of training. After all, without it, it would just be gymnastics.
EquinoxIV 2 years ago
fair enough, seems like I;m on your team. Apart form the gymnastics bit, KF shouldn't really look good.
Thiers a saying in chian that roughly translates, "good kung fu, looks shit; it may not be flashy, but it's useful in a scrap."
outsidepers 2 years ago
i agree with only have of what u said outsidepers... CUNG LE is an amazing fighter his striking and takedwns come soley from this style of sanshou/ sanda.... HE IS undefeated in kickboxing where he did nt takedwn of course and MMA. the techniques of sanda/sanshou are definityly used in MMA and can be a great help in a resume of a fighter. which has been proven
oasisspirit 2 years ago
I do mma and i used to do "kung fu". Yes, a mma fighter can fight with a wepon and other "dirty stuff", however if hes not properly trained he wont be as good at it as if he had done training. Same thing with throwing punches, even if any idiot can punch... boxing is still woth practicing. I need to pracctice my eyejabbs the same way i do my armbars to fully be effective.
jogra028 2 years ago
thats not kung fu, it looks more like muay thai or kickboxing of some sort
kid1111111 2 years ago
kung-fu with sanshou rules
mcahco 2 years ago
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Kung Fu sucks apart from sanshou which is just kickboxing but with a small chinese influence to combat muay thai as KF sucked balls in competition.
honeyhunter111 2 years ago
Taking in account, that maybe half of all traditional Kung Fu techniques would inflict lasting damage to your opponent, you are probably right.
Trad. KF was/is for serious selfe defence and dislocating joints, breaking bones, piercing eyes, clawing out throats (Rambo 4 anyone), etc. do not go well with friendly turnaments like the one shown in this video.
EquinoxIV 2 years ago 4
fuckwit
synkronyk 2 years ago
I know, really i could kick thier asses-Easy!
TheHighAce 2 years ago
these guys cant fight for shit
pwned286 2 years ago
lol "finish him!" straight outta mortal kombat.
osiris8605 2 years ago 4
the guy in the white sox has shitty stance
roflwaffle12321 3 years ago
I'm sick and tired of people claiming that stuff like this isn't Gung Fu. If these guys learn Gung Fu and internalize it as their approach to training and it is how they learned what they are showing, who are you to say what it is and isn't?
This is real life, and I'd put my money on these two before any martial arts movie star or professional Wushu practicioner. Believe me, thousands of years ago, I'm pretty sure that Gung Fu looked like this and not the stuff in the movies.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago 4
you are so misinformed. why dont you look up kung fu tournament 1984 and you will see real kung fu by experts.
opticannon 3 years ago
To opticannon: you are exactly the type of person that I am talking about. I was merely praising the individuals in this clip for their courage and proficiency at doing what they do.
Martial snobs like you are usually the last to fight and the first to talk. Do us all a favor and don't leave your disrespectful comments on videos like these, they contribute nothing.
Web warriors like you know nothing of respect and brotherhood in the martial arts, making you the one who is misinformed.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago 5
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dont even try to lay that trip on me . is that the speech you tell yourself to validate YOUR training or lack of. this is what you do, get rid of your so called teacher thats robbing you ( even if he is chinese as hes probably in it for the money and not about to give you closed door kung fu ) do some research and stop being so angry. these guys are fighting under standards literally. ( look at the back wall ) their discipline is not even on par with that of 17 year old golden glovers.
opticannon 3 years ago
I wasn't laying a trip or making a speech, I was responding to your hate filled and insulting comments. You have nothing constructive to say about these gentlemen, only insults. If you truly consider your vaunted opinion on martial arts so high, why not give out advice, tips, or commentary without being menacing?
Did your teacher teach you to be so cutting, rude, and unsportsmanlike? Because if that's the case, perhaps you should get your money back.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago 6
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hate filled, menacing? look, if they or you cant take the cold hard truth then perhaps i should pour a bit of sugar to help the medicine go down? no, i dont mince words as i am as sagacious as i am forthcoming with the truth. my teacher taught me "kung fu" and nothing more. i dont look to him like hes my father or some guru to teach me lessons in ethics nor did i solicite him for such lessons. you keep falling for that shit if you want to and youll never GLEAN just what you SEEK. free your mind
opticannon 3 years ago
What "cold hard truth" are you talking about? I don't see anything close to truth in your comments, just petty insults.
Everybody in martial arts studies and improves at their own pace, so when you make these pointless remarks about people like these, you accomplish nothing.
You also need to stop associating me or my level of training with these guys. I don't know them, I just wasn't being a punk, unlike yourself.
It's true that martial arts classes aren't ethics seminars, but that's no excuse.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago 7
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i dont have time for stupid people. ill send you a vid and hope you shut the hell up.
opticannon 3 years ago
It seems you had time before, but now you're backing down because you've run out of trash to talk. Don't bother with the video, I don't need an instructional tape on how to be a condescending jerkoff.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago 7
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yeah okay, you keep talking that shit out the side of your neck motherfucker but you tell that story walking. this little nigga talkin bout wutang like thats whats up. like you lived the life. keep your head in the books and the streets out your mouth cause light in the ass college kids gets they shit smashed talkin that stupid shit. you dont know from day one son. you cant jux with the likes of me on some ol real shit son son. if you talked to me like that face to face i would do 60 in cnty.
opticannon 3 years ago
It's interesting to see how you've degenerated from someone typing in coherent language while being insulting to now becoming some sort of cyber gangsta babbling in typed out ebonics (which looks ridiculous). Are you honestly trying to intimidate me on the comments section of a Youtube video? Take an assessment of your life, man, that's sad.
You've gone completely off topic, and I don't think you ever had a point to make anyway. You need to cool off and stop picking pointless fights.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago 17
HAHAHAHAHA.
SteedGorakson 2 years ago
want to know whats really funny. is that i spent all this time argueing with him about kung fu and the reality of the politics behind the martial arts. i thought i gave good points but, among those that are the herd there is no recogning. so, i made him incriminate himself. what i mean to say is that on his channel hes posing like hes "ghetto" and his favorite music group is wutang. i hope that he takes the medicine that he intended for me. no public victory, so ill take a private one.
opticannon 2 years ago
Mit so ner Frau würde ich kein Kampfsport schauen wollen!!!
Sorry !!
Das finde ich nicht gut ,ZICK ZICK ZICK
greenhoolig 3 years ago 2
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fukin nazis
fuckmyusername3 3 years ago
lol first of all the whole centerline and chain punches is not universal for all kung fu styles. only style i know that does that is wing chun and probably some others as well. but not every style.
and what do you expect it to look like. a choreography out of a yuen wo ping movie. this is what a real fight looks like. and plust they're not masters either. they probably had just a few years training. so don't expect so much.
sirhighlanderdude 3 years ago 4
Exactly... In fact, most kung fu styles counter the centerline theory, because it involves a lot of circling and sidestepping, efficiency of energy etc... And like you said, this is a real contact fight, they're not masters, real fights are sloppy... It's the human element...
steveecker 3 years ago
I'm assuming San Shou here.
Gauntlets 3 years ago
I don't see any kung fu, dick.
Ed0c 3 years ago
what makes you think this isnt kung fu? lol. I study shaolin kung fu, and sparring looks exactly like this.
Livelife417 3 years ago 2
why are there so many damn videos named kung fu vs"xxx" but none of them actually are kung fu fights,that really pisses me off
enjo85 3 years ago 2
where's the KF????
holycrapt 3 years ago
punches and kicks are thecniques,other kung fu techniques are taught for defence against multiple attacks,these guys couldnt use,spear hands or palm strikes,incase they killed each other
bumchiner 3 years ago
lol.
Brisks 3 years ago 2
Kung Fu doesn't mean... Martial Art.. it means.."Hard Work" -.-
and Wushu contents Sanda (Like Kickboxing with throws)(Full Contact) and Taolu ( Form )
Joe2236 3 years ago 2
Wushu is not Traditional Kung Fu. Wushu is a performance art. Sanda is Chinese kickboxing. Sometimes they're taught side by side. It doesn't make the shitty wushu forms into traditional forms.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
well, as a China born and then lived in hong kong nearly 20 yrs Chinese, only i think i'd like to say: kung-fu is how they call wushu in cantonese (which is the dialect spoken in hong kong, where Bruce Lee was from). So... stop arguing what is kung-fu and what is wushu, or ppl will laugh at u :p
jjooyy0923 3 years ago
and if Bruce Lee was alive today he would tell you that wushu is not kung fu
cv6ady 3 years ago
PawnzOr you're a dumbass. if punching and kicking is kung fu then why the Fuck are other techniques taught. Hell my 3 year old nephew throws punches and kicks and he's never studied martial arts
teched246 3 years ago
Sir, if all you see there are "punches and kicks" you are obviously a practitioner of sport wushu performance forms, and not real kung fu.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
Like Saiga said, you're forms contain encoded techniques that are not to be literally used. If you weren't a wushu-er, you'd know that.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
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you dobnt know what the fuck you're talking about moron.
synkronyk 2 years ago
wow. such big words
a7xRocksXX95XX 2 years ago 2
this is kung fu? where is the discipline and sharpness in thier punches and kicks?
teched246 3 years ago
Welcome to real life, wushu boy.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
real life? more like shitty, mentally unsettled fighters
ajaben 3 years ago
Wow. Let me guess, no "graceful movements" or "hand signs"?
Go back to your kata, wushu boy.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
what an absolute mess
no technique or control
biteme1234321 3 years ago
please? how can u confuse kung fu like that? thats kickboxing .. totally not kung fu
ihatefakersandposers 3 years ago
Hey wap, don't be judging. You've no clue as to what applied KF looks like.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
obviously neither do you as neither of these two use any Kung Fu. Where are the recognisable KF stances i,e, goat Stance or front stance , Where are the centreline punches , where are the chain punches where are the push kicks , there none of these as neither of the people in the video are using KF
booberloo 3 years ago
You define the training method, not the result.
FullContactCMA 3 years ago
they are using sanda which is basically shuao jiao with striking, therefore a kung fu. Its not as pretty as other styles but it works.
wolfmoonwatcher 3 years ago
Forms and fighting are different - unless you think movies are real life.
dahuang1 3 years ago
kung fu is not only wing chun!
namfujaw 3 years ago
more like Kick boxing to me...Not even Sanshou
matrixbug 3 years ago
Great comment.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
Let me guess. "O shi- this looks like kickboxing lol?" or "where's the ANIMAL HAND SIGNS?!??" or "SPARRING ISN'T THE SAME AS THE DEADLY str33tfighting KUNG FU WAS MEANT FOR DURR!" or "WHERE'S THE KUNG FU PRINCIPULZ LOL!??" or "GLOVES TURN OFF KUNG FOO DURR!"
These responses are false. Don't even bring that shit to the table.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
It's Kung Fu, to answer your question "is this kung fu?" But of course, in your book, Kung Fu is forms and flowery techniques, right?
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
I don't think it's kung-fu...
hisothiro 3 years ago
Hisothiro and JamesJames: Are you just going to let those vague responses dangle, waiting for a bite?
I'm biting. Give me your best shots.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
? I don't understand what you're saying
hisothiro 3 years ago
this aint kung fu
jamesjames201 3 years ago
Do you want an answer or are you just leaving that comment to dangle?
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
I personally was looking for an answer
hisothiro 3 years ago
is this really kung fu??
littleninnie 3 years ago
lol...most martial school now is more on business than teaching real martial arts..
when the parents student give gift to their son/daughter Master..the next day thier children is black belt and the master will tell the parents.."your child is ready to defend and a good student ..lol
Dont waste your money in the wrong martial arts school..full of corrupt.
If you want to learn real Martial arts..go to China or Thailand learn thr original skills..Not some schooling crap in your country..
CrushNblow 4 years ago
That's right, an agency to test martial arts schools is needed... everyone teaches everything different and you can make a lot of money by running a school. You simply have to find a master you can trust that it's most important to him to teach you as good as he can.
monkfg 4 years ago
It is so sad when organizers of these events have absolutely no idea what they are doing. The referees are inexperience and poses a danger to the fighter. The ref did nothing to see if the fighter was in any condition to continue. This makes me sick, where is the fight doctor. No style, technique, doctor and brains.
MusicforMe123 4 years ago
this is rubbish fight, what full contact, full contact don wear gear, they wear gearS!
ktchong1987 4 years ago
fucking bitches this fake. these people dont even know how to fight in the style of my ansesters
kaydo29 4 years ago
This is not even wushu, this is dancing!
Bellagios1234 4 years ago
This is not kung-fu, this is wushu ! Try learning before posting.
lepivert 4 years ago
its not wushu its sanshou
MMAMickey 4 years ago
It's not sanshu it's tuishu. It's not tuishu it's shushu.
lepivert 4 years ago
idiot
MMAMickey 4 years ago
lol
Shingko 3 years ago
THE LAST SHOT : PRICELESS ^_^
SRAKA99 4 years ago
MUAY THAI
KemalJumpS 4 years ago
Its Sanshou pretty much muay thai with pads but you can use judo throws etc and get points for shots rather than scored overall rounds
2nort 4 years ago
its nothing like muay thai.. i do both and in sanshou u get away with jus running in there brawling.. do that in muay thai and you will be outmanouvered and ktfo
MMAMickey 4 years ago
i do both also, i understand what you are saying but it completly depends on what level you are fighting at, i was a fight night in the weekend and watched the wmc national title go to a complete brawler and the guy who he was fighting had just trained in thailand for 6 months and got koed. but i c what you saying i think a better way of saying my point is its more like kickboxing than real muay thai
2nort 4 years ago
its kungfu.
TsangBokyan 4 years ago
this is a fight which dosent consist of kungfu blocks i agree its more like k/b. some punches were wild but in a real fight situation you dont have time to block and counter you just go straight for the kill it is a bad example of kungfu i agree.
wingchun71 4 years ago
WTF? This is kick boxing BS.
swordnerd108 4 years ago
LMAO THAT GUY WAS SILLY!!
fatty
ahahahaha
just like me
LOL
=)
FaThMonG 4 years ago
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it is crap and ain't Kung Fu
gamana123 4 years ago
lol you made an unpopular comment gamana123^^
yacineW12 4 years ago
it looks like shit to me
musafa777 4 years ago
where's the kung fu?...looks like kickboxing to me
qornphlake 4 years ago
So what you think is the difference between kung fu and kickboxing. You mean kung fu don't use kicks and punches?
ytqwt 4 years ago
there is a difference between kung fu and kickboxing hence the reason we use 2 different terms
Switchoffnow 4 years ago
He got hit right behind his ear. There was no Headprotection. Anyway good fight from both of them.
JochenWolf 4 years ago
lucky punches
NassemAir 4 years ago
Haha he almost fell right when he got his. His legs weakened...
nipperdude 4 years ago
shizer! hehehe
moonsmurf 4 years ago
the guy looked like he was gonna drop haha
zahmac01 4 years ago
god dAmN! lol.
kenshinvaj 4 years ago