5) And FINALLY, and most importantly, assuming that Liberal activists are not lying their asses off to get research grants, and the above are true… Should the U.S. government have the power to interfere with free enterprise and tax the producers of our economy at the risk of smothering investment/innovation and sending even more jobs oversees?
4) Are humans in fact to blame for the rise in CO2 levels… (which haven’t actually risen anywhere near to significantly), or are there other common sense causes like volcanic eruptions that account for the production of 200 million tons of CO2 each year?
Climate change is a naturally occuring cycle that dates back to the formation of the planet. Nobody disputes that. What IS in dispute are the following:
1) Is the earth actually warming at the rate which the obviously flawed models suggest?
2) Is carbon dioxide the central contributor to that warming... or is it the ever fluctuating electromagnetic field of the sun, among several other factors...?
3) What PROVEN relationship is there between environmental disasters and global warming?
@Mackberserk C'mon, we can't include volcano's, the sun, the ocean, earthquakes, hurricanes and silly stuff like that in this equation. Those things are caused by the global warming, don't you understand? But gee, I wonder what caused them before the group of schemers came up with the global warming scam. Let's not forget that they predicted an ice age was coming 30 yrs ago. Oops, that didn't happen. It's getting warmer I think, we need funding, ok, i've got it= global warming, yeah
@megadrummer2 Scientist- we need money. Yeah these idiots will believe anything, lets include the whole planet. All we need is a group of experts to go along with it. I know, lets create a commission that we can all be a part of, just make sure we keep the rest of society out of the loop. Blame it on the people. You all better get your heads out of your asses. The universe doesn't give a shit about you & neither do these con men.
It's surprises me that the other guy is so adamant about some opinion from some experts . I suppose he is somewhat biased to tho those who agree with his views . Having said so , I think the world has been undergoing some sort of climate change from since the days of evolution .
Stuart Varney FAIL. A hack, lying, piece of shit rightwing dickweed, and we're to accept YOUR opinion on the state of scientific debate. The man doesn't even know what a climate scientist IS. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.
radiovice: okay, if you say "it's a religion, folks", I have a challenge for you: read Dr. James Hansen's recent book, "Storms Of My Grandchildren", and tell me if you can find one scintilla of religion in it in support of the science of climate change. I dare you!
The e-mails amounted to nothing, besides, global warming has been talked about for over 30 years, not just the last couple of years. A mind is like a book, it only works if it is opened. Maybe we will all get it when Florida goes the way of Atlantis and the great barrier reef dies off. The word is threshold folks. The point at which there is no going back. Let's not go there. Money is a lousy reason to deny ourselves a future.
@pqspin Nonesense. You are a religious fanatic. Al Gores bullshit religion was debunked. Drink the Kool Aid. We have all their E-Mails. GlowBull Warming is a bigger scam then Bernie Madoff's. Begley is afool as evidenced by his performance. GlowBull Warming is a science like phrenology and necromancy.
@Jerricho68 99% of all scientists say it´s real. Who gives a fuck what you say and why should anyone recognize your delusional sense of authority when all you do is mindlessly copy and spew out right wing talking points.
The charlatans of the glowbull warming religion gamed the peer review process and even published the asinine opinions of undergrads. Read the e-mails. They are religious fanatics like that dumbass Richard Dawkins. More anti-theist religious propaganda.
These assholes would scam the "peer" review. It's all a scam for AlGore's religion and Ed Baggly is a serious kook in this religion. They are so nailed in this scam. Fraud upon fraud, using federal tax dollars. Prison time is called for on this, starting with ManBearPig.
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I hate to call you guys stupid or idiots, but it seems like global warming denial is just this era's version of Holocaust denial. Can't you at least admit that there are a lot of legit scientists out there who have done the best research they can do? Not all the climate scientists are cooking the books or have an agenda. They just came to the same conclusions cuz the science is in.
Look, I'm no tree-hugger, but I have the balls to admit that we probably need to take some action.
The emails show suppression of peer-reviewed papers!
I cant see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is! Phil Jones, Director Climatic Research Unit (CRU)
And an extensive amount of skeptical peer-reviewed papers exist,
Google: "450 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of Man-Made Global Warming"
If the science is "settled" then why do the emails and data released by the whistle blower prove that these "peer-reviewed" scientists minimized the temperature spike in the 1940s - in order to make there case? Why have they covered-over the mid-evil warming period if the science is "settled"? And how did Mann's fraudulent hockey stick graph make it out of peer review? How did Briffa get away with cherry-picking his YAMAL tree-ring data?! I mean really! What panel of peers allows cherry picking?
I think being a denier is just a good excuse for not taking meaningful action to combat the possible negative effects of climate change. I'm not a catastrophist, but I am willing to admit that maybe the results won't be pretty, especially for the Third World. They will suffer b/c we polluted the environment too much. Yes, there are natural global cooling and warming periods, but how does that invalidate the possibility of man-made warming? Saying that is absurd!
If AGW is really a "scam", tell that to the thousands of legit scientists who have discovered otherwise in their OWN research. They'll laugh you out of town! How can you people be so ridiculous? We can't just deny something as big as this with all the evidence out there just b/c a few dissenters exist. There will ALWAYS be dissenters. They may have cooked the books. Sure, some pro-warming people may have cooked as well, but there are so many they'll easily cancel out the fakers.
I'm sure a relative few global warming scientists here and there have an agenda, but you can't just generalize and say that ALL of them do! That's infantile. Some of them are legitimately concerned and do real research. If they're wrong, they're wrong. I'm sure the truly honest climate scientists will admit that. But it makes you look like a bumbling fool to deny it and say that being concerned is a "religion." It is a religion for only a small fraction of them.
How do you know that everyone who says global warming is man-made is a "hippie" or tree-hugger? Have you polled them? Did you meet them personally? This is exactly why people on the other side call you guys on the Right anti-intellectual and make fun of you.
You guys wanna deny the science and research out there for your OWN agenda. CO2 is good for some life, yes, but we all know that too much of a good thing can be bad. The greenhouse effect is present on other planets as well, ya know.
You can't honestly say that a bunch of hacked emails at one scientific organization, out of hundreds or thousands of them that have concluded that global warming is real, means "case closed." I think this is just confirmation bias by the deniers! I'm not a skeptic or a proponent b/c I don't know. But it seems like a lot of people who are experts know, and they're pretty much saying "case closed." Now maybe there is a good amount who doubt it, but how do we know they're correct?
You guys do realize how vibrant the free market is, right? We CAN admit that maybe there is some man-made warming and take cost-effective steps to combat it! We don't need expensive cap and trade or Kyoto to do it. Let's just admit what most scientists agree on and have found with their research and stop grasping at straws. Very few scientists with a brain left think man-made warming is totally fake. Even Pat Michaels agree there will be some warming.
Look, I'm not a scientist, and I don't know all the facts here.
But if you wiki Climategate, you'll see that it's far from decided that a bunch of scientists at the CRU 'cooked the books.' Some of these quotes seem to have been taken out of context, and already the wiki folks have amassed tons of data and info about that. Lots of links showing that the whole "climategate" situation is not all that it seems. Plus, the CRU is only ONE of hundreds of scientific organizations! come on, guys
5) And FINALLY, and most importantly, assuming that Liberal activists are not lying their asses off to get research grants, and the above are true… Should the U.S. government have the power to interfere with free enterprise and tax the producers of our economy at the risk of smothering investment/innovation and sending even more jobs oversees?
Mackberserk 3 months ago
4) Are humans in fact to blame for the rise in CO2 levels… (which haven’t actually risen anywhere near to significantly), or are there other common sense causes like volcanic eruptions that account for the production of 200 million tons of CO2 each year?
Mackberserk 3 months ago
Climate change is a naturally occuring cycle that dates back to the formation of the planet. Nobody disputes that. What IS in dispute are the following:
1) Is the earth actually warming at the rate which the obviously flawed models suggest?
2) Is carbon dioxide the central contributor to that warming... or is it the ever fluctuating electromagnetic field of the sun, among several other factors...?
3) What PROVEN relationship is there between environmental disasters and global warming?
Mackberserk 3 months ago
@Mackberserk C'mon, we can't include volcano's, the sun, the ocean, earthquakes, hurricanes and silly stuff like that in this equation. Those things are caused by the global warming, don't you understand? But gee, I wonder what caused them before the group of schemers came up with the global warming scam. Let's not forget that they predicted an ice age was coming 30 yrs ago. Oops, that didn't happen. It's getting warmer I think, we need funding, ok, i've got it= global warming, yeah
megadrummer2 1 week ago
@megadrummer2 Scientist- we need money. Yeah these idiots will believe anything, lets include the whole planet. All we need is a group of experts to go along with it. I know, lets create a commission that we can all be a part of, just make sure we keep the rest of society out of the loop. Blame it on the people. You all better get your heads out of your asses. The universe doesn't give a shit about you & neither do these con men.
megadrummer2 1 week ago
It's surprises me that the other guy is so adamant about some opinion from some experts . I suppose he is somewhat biased to tho those who agree with his views . Having said so , I think the world has been undergoing some sort of climate change from since the days of evolution .
eric2maccom 4 months ago
i love these kind of debates "I'm not an expert, but I like my experts so I think you should listen to them".
My opinion is that you shouldn't even have an opinion if you don't understand the science.
Visfen 7 months ago 3
Stuart Varney FAIL. A hack, lying, piece of shit rightwing dickweed, and we're to accept YOUR opinion on the state of scientific debate. The man doesn't even know what a climate scientist IS. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.
Pizuzuzimmer 11 months ago
@pqspin And shut your stupid mouth! YOU pqspin, I'm talking to YOU!
jeffhickman10 1 year ago
I will say it. CLIMATE CHANGE IS A FUCKING HOAX! Did you hear/see that? It's a MOTHERFUCKING HOAX you fucking chimps! LOL
jeffhickman10 1 year ago
radiovice: okay, if you say "it's a religion, folks", I have a challenge for you: read Dr. James Hansen's recent book, "Storms Of My Grandchildren", and tell me if you can find one scintilla of religion in it in support of the science of climate change. I dare you!
stadiumstation5 1 year ago
The e-mails amounted to nothing, besides, global warming has been talked about for over 30 years, not just the last couple of years. A mind is like a book, it only works if it is opened. Maybe we will all get it when Florida goes the way of Atlantis and the great barrier reef dies off. The word is threshold folks. The point at which there is no going back. Let's not go there. Money is a lousy reason to deny ourselves a future.
tombeardman 1 year ago
@tombeardman SO has the Loch Ness Monster. 30 years of conversation doesn't make either one of them fact. What's your point?
jeffhickman10 1 year ago
@pqspin Nonesense. You are a religious fanatic. Al Gores bullshit religion was debunked. Drink the Kool Aid. We have all their E-Mails. GlowBull Warming is a bigger scam then Bernie Madoff's. Begley is afool as evidenced by his performance. GlowBull Warming is a science like phrenology and necromancy.
Jerricho68 1 year ago
@Jerricho68 99% of all scientists say it´s real. Who gives a fuck what you say and why should anyone recognize your delusional sense of authority when all you do is mindlessly copy and spew out right wing talking points.
Somai82 1 month ago
@Somai82 That is a lie religious propaganda boy. Get a job and move out of your parents basement bathhouse blow boy.
Jerricho68 1 week ago
@Jerricho68 Ad hominems and "Al Gore's religion?" Really? lol how are you not retarded.
Somai82 1 week ago
The charlatans of the glowbull warming religion gamed the peer review process and even published the asinine opinions of undergrads. Read the e-mails. They are religious fanatics like that dumbass Richard Dawkins. More anti-theist religious propaganda.
Jerricho68 1 year ago
@pqspin Total bullshit. You couldn't have even watched the video.
Jerricho68 1 year ago
i agree that global warming is indeed a fact i just don't believe it is been caused by humans.
thirdbornfilms 2 years ago
@thirdbornfilms who else burns millions of hydro carbons in a year. obviously you dont understand how climate change works.
Awesomeman1987 1 year ago
These assholes would scam the "peer" review. It's all a scam for AlGore's religion and Ed Baggly is a serious kook in this religion. They are so nailed in this scam. Fraud upon fraud, using federal tax dollars. Prison time is called for on this, starting with ManBearPig.
LibtardsSuck 2 years ago
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I hate to call you guys stupid or idiots, but it seems like global warming denial is just this era's version of Holocaust denial. Can't you at least admit that there are a lot of legit scientists out there who have done the best research they can do? Not all the climate scientists are cooking the books or have an agenda. They just came to the same conclusions cuz the science is in.
Look, I'm no tree-hugger, but I have the balls to admit that we probably need to take some action.
whoo689 2 years ago
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The emails show suppression of peer-reviewed papers!
I cant see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is! Phil Jones, Director Climatic Research Unit (CRU)
And an extensive amount of skeptical peer-reviewed papers exist,
Google: "450 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of Man-Made Global Warming"
populartechnology 2 years ago
If the science is "settled" then why do the emails and data released by the whistle blower prove that these "peer-reviewed" scientists minimized the temperature spike in the 1940s - in order to make there case? Why have they covered-over the mid-evil warming period if the science is "settled"? And how did Mann's fraudulent hockey stick graph make it out of peer review? How did Briffa get away with cherry-picking his YAMAL tree-ring data?! I mean really! What panel of peers allows cherry picking?
jonno99 2 years ago
I think being a denier is just a good excuse for not taking meaningful action to combat the possible negative effects of climate change. I'm not a catastrophist, but I am willing to admit that maybe the results won't be pretty, especially for the Third World. They will suffer b/c we polluted the environment too much. Yes, there are natural global cooling and warming periods, but how does that invalidate the possibility of man-made warming? Saying that is absurd!
whoo689 2 years ago
If AGW is really a "scam", tell that to the thousands of legit scientists who have discovered otherwise in their OWN research. They'll laugh you out of town! How can you people be so ridiculous? We can't just deny something as big as this with all the evidence out there just b/c a few dissenters exist. There will ALWAYS be dissenters. They may have cooked the books. Sure, some pro-warming people may have cooked as well, but there are so many they'll easily cancel out the fakers.
whoo689 2 years ago
I'm sure a relative few global warming scientists here and there have an agenda, but you can't just generalize and say that ALL of them do! That's infantile. Some of them are legitimately concerned and do real research. If they're wrong, they're wrong. I'm sure the truly honest climate scientists will admit that. But it makes you look like a bumbling fool to deny it and say that being concerned is a "religion." It is a religion for only a small fraction of them.
whoo689 2 years ago
How do you know that everyone who says global warming is man-made is a "hippie" or tree-hugger? Have you polled them? Did you meet them personally? This is exactly why people on the other side call you guys on the Right anti-intellectual and make fun of you.
You guys wanna deny the science and research out there for your OWN agenda. CO2 is good for some life, yes, but we all know that too much of a good thing can be bad. The greenhouse effect is present on other planets as well, ya know.
whoo689 2 years ago
You can't honestly say that a bunch of hacked emails at one scientific organization, out of hundreds or thousands of them that have concluded that global warming is real, means "case closed." I think this is just confirmation bias by the deniers! I'm not a skeptic or a proponent b/c I don't know. But it seems like a lot of people who are experts know, and they're pretty much saying "case closed." Now maybe there is a good amount who doubt it, but how do we know they're correct?
whoo689 2 years ago
You guys do realize how vibrant the free market is, right? We CAN admit that maybe there is some man-made warming and take cost-effective steps to combat it! We don't need expensive cap and trade or Kyoto to do it. Let's just admit what most scientists agree on and have found with their research and stop grasping at straws. Very few scientists with a brain left think man-made warming is totally fake. Even Pat Michaels agree there will be some warming.
whoo689 2 years ago
Look, I'm not a scientist, and I don't know all the facts here.
But if you wiki Climategate, you'll see that it's far from decided that a bunch of scientists at the CRU 'cooked the books.' Some of these quotes seem to have been taken out of context, and already the wiki folks have amassed tons of data and info about that. Lots of links showing that the whole "climategate" situation is not all that it seems. Plus, the CRU is only ONE of hundreds of scientific organizations! come on, guys
whoo689 2 years ago
Yes the earth is heating up, it has nothing to do with man made carbon. PERIOD
chrism20 2 years ago
What a freak. This is a scam so all you dirty hippies and Hollywood dipshits need to go find something else to do. Socialist retards.
Orchard6773 2 years ago
LOL. Ed MAD,
GOdupont24 2 years ago