Antonio Margarito: 5 Steps to an Injustice (Part 1 of 2)

[saguirre760]

@FootballStar1882

the prime version; not this one; he is shot out!

[saguirre760]

nice video; tho; we all know styles makes fights and we have all seen Cotto hurt prior to this fight; i.e. Corley, Torrez, and Judah; thats why I know Margarito who was in his prime could have certainly beaten the crap out of him the way he did in 2008 without any handwraps; that just my opinion and I could see how others may feel otherwise.

[saguirre760]

honestly if you understand spanish and listen to him; he actually sounds like he is being sincere but Im also suspicious; you can't say he absolutely did it cuz indeed there was no proof prior to this incident; and even Cotto didn't appear to say anything decisive after the rematch; instead he said he was a very strong fighter; so to me that just sounds funny when Cotto could have proclaimed something more emphatic, even if he was simply lying!

[realistromeo]

WILLIAMS range and elusivness saved him from damage,Clottey had expert defense hands up, Cintron only made it 5 and 6 rounds with Cheato TWICE (suffered 208 punches) unlike Cotto who went 11 (267 punches taken) IN 1 FIGHT!

And as far as Emanuel Stewart is concerned, if it has the same colour as gause then it could be overlooked, Nassim only caught it because of the excessive amount of gause padding ON TOP.. it looked like too much padding, then the SHIT FELL OUT! I HOPE FOR A CRIMINAL CASE!

[showmevids1984]

@realistromeo Very very well put. I checked the date and Margarito's suspiciously brilliant career started as soon as he linked up with Capetillio, I checked the dates it's an incredible coincidence. And well blow me down that's when his very impressive knockout streak began against the elite, he was knocking out around half his opponents out before that who were journeymen.

He ruined Miguel Cotto's career and god knows how many other fighters and it really incenses me that people just can't

[showmevids1984]

@realistromeo see this scumbag for what he is and fans continue to support this piece of shit. Like Cotto said this slimy piece of shit is a shame for boxing and it makes my blood boil that the sport has not condemed him completely.

Also the author of this video comes across as highly intelligent so its a shame he's so misguided.

[realistromeo]

1) Basis is irelevant Cheato didnt take a lie detector.

2) Loss of potential earnings over that 11/2 year revocation pales in comparison to the loss of future income for those careers he destroyed/delayed.

3) Proof? lol he was caught red handed, it's like saying a terrorist's plot was foiled 10 minutes before it happened because someone found it out...he was planing to use it.

4) who promotes paquio? > ARUM, trainers are an employee of the fighters and by larger extensiON THE PROMOTERS!

[crungen5]

I GUESS U HAVENT SEEN THE VIDEO WHERE ROACH DISCUSSES HOW MARGARITO WENT TO HIM IN TEARS SAYING HOW HE DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THE WRAPS ,U KNOW HES BEEN WITH CAPETILLO FOR YEARS SO OF COURSE U KNOW WHATS ON UR HANDS ANP PLUS U CAN FEEL THAT SHIT ON UR HANDS WHEN IT GETS HARD

[r300zxsupras200]

Lighter punching pacquiao? What Pacquiao have you been watching? Classic margarito lover!

[luilun]

@louheff

Sorry dude but Both Blacks and Mexicans are good fighter's

I was Coached by a Mexican and than i was coached by a Black guy named Robert Coons out of San Diego. I learned both styles and than mixed the style into one that is why i was able to coach my nephew to 3 national title with only 50 amautuer bouts

[knowpain00]

@luilun ...Ah man , I remember Roberet Coons, everybody loves Robert...He was my coach too, way back in 96, 97...I was stationed in San Diego, and I used to go to Roberts gym in National City, in the upstairs basement on Highland Blvd..the good ole days !!!

Whatever happened to Robert anyways?, I remember his son trained there too..

Robert wanted me to continue my amatuer career but, I already knew some professional fighters, and they werent living too good, so I decided to keep my career!

[luilun]

look dumbass I boxed and had close to a 100 amatuer bouts and have coached my nephew to 3 national titles so go lecture someone else.

[luilun]

@louheff

Research some more and you will find out that the Black fighter is a dying breed. Most lighter wieghts are dominated by latin fighters and most heaiver wieght classes are being taken over by Eastern European fighters. So maybe little brain fuckers like you should bulk up on some more fried chicken so that you can compete With The European boxers

[luilun]

@louheff Your a dumb ass do some research

Salvador Sanchez, Richardo Lopez, Juan and Raphel Marquez, Bazoka Limon, Lupe Pintor, Carlos Zarate, I hate to say this but Blacks can't fight unless it's a large ring where they have all the room to run now if I wrote this I would sound about as stupid as you.

[MishaPilsudski]

@FootballStar1882 pussy hiding faggot 

[GnosisCampeche]

@FootballStar1882 I agree, but I'd like to hear your arguments

[crungen5]

OF COURSE U KNOW WHATS ON UR HANDS,HES BEEN WORKING WITH CAPETILLO 4 A LOG TIME,AND PLUS UR HANDS R RIGHT IN FRONT OF U!!!!

[angelrod75]

Lastly, emmanuel steward is FAMOUSLY lazy. ... You DO know that...right?

[angelrod75]

another thing, Cotto's legs go, when hurt. Margarito did not hurt Cotto, his legs did not go like in all the fights you mentioned. I don't think you know all you portray you do.

[angelrod75]

" everybody wants to talk about antonio margarito? " NOBODY wants to talk about that undeserving cheater. wake up. We know what's in our wraps, because when we PUNCH we FEEL the difference, unless we are retarded, which is the notion of everybody wanting to talk about this asshole who wrecked a possible ATG in cotto.

Fuck Margarito.

[TheDice2008]

Freddie Roach told in one interview it's impossible for margarito not to know what happen.

[jessebrito11]

good stuff bro. u know what else is strange thers an interview of nazim mosleys trainer claiming that he found or discovered something hard in the raps before the fight when reportedly the material hardened with the sweat of a fighter as the fight went on so nazims claims are impossible

[warrkrymez]

Considering how long Margo was suspended, he only missed one fight in his 2 fight-per-year average.

[sajack100]

They should have used his ass as an example to show that when you pull shit like this your career in the US is over instead they reinstate his license so he can be used as a punching bag for pacquaio to add even more money to the pacquaio vs mayweather fight because truly nobody wants to see this cheating asshole in a fight unless they let him put the shit in his wraps then it may be a good fight but without his homemade plaster he's going to get destroyed

[flyinghotwing]

dude go back to mm- obvious u dont know shit about the boxing game, sure cheato cheated but thats beyond the pt, its like saying if bonds dont take steroids he never hits a homerun and plays lousy, it aint so, he still is up there six hundred homerun range- still has ability from hard work, as did margo to reach where he got - so he deserves a new shot to see, i agree that pac will blow his fucken ass out and get ready for the scared chicken floydman who has more talent than anyone in the game

[sajack100]

flyinghotwing "i have been studying boxing since before you were born", RIGHT. Dude boxing is a vicious enough sport so for this piss of shit to put something in his hand wraps to make his punches harder is serious he could have killed someone in the ring so he choose to take a chance with someone's life just for the sake of winning.

[flyinghotwing]

@sajack100 i agree that is a sick way to go but the truth of the matter is he was caught and did his time, its like if you get busted and pay your time in jail or whatever you want to get out and not make the same mistake, thats whats goin on now, margarito was a good fighter before the controversy, he should be allowed to continue his work, since its a lifetime achievement to get to where he has gotten, we know he is on his way down but he deserves a shot right there, no doubt

[flyinghotwing]

anti boxing brigade are stupid, boxing is alive and well, and good think margacheato paid his dues and continues to box, in a huge event against the best fighter, and why the hell not? itz good to see good fights, specially when they can pack the big stadium, since floyd dont want no part of pac rt now let the cheater step in, they are going to check for plaster of course, so lets get it on, and great for us fans, those who dont like it fuck em!

[flyinghotwing]

@FootballStar1882 sorry although margo is tough even without plaster we saw what shane did to him, and floyd is smarter and faster in the ring, margo would have a very slim chance

[sugarnadf]

if his trainer admitted to it then i dont c how u can argue for him. i dont know how a fighter can have a banned substance in his glove and not know whats going on..hes not some guy of the street hes a pro fighter who will b sitting and having his hands wrapped and watching and testing them so he feels comfortable.and at least mosley admitted to unknowingly takin drugs and its a bit different to punching someone with plaster,who knows how many times he did it

[Midnightrambler3760]

I am not sure whe people are tring to defend a cheater. I say ban him for life as an example to others.

And when Pac's roid use is proven, ban him also.

[Midnightrambler3760]

@FootballStar1882 You are correct that Margarito would give Floyd trouble. I think Margarito would beat the crap out of Floyd's fists with his face.

[sajack100]

Your argument is like a guy being convicted of murder getting a life sentence and complaining that the last guy that got convicted for murder only got 20 years. Your attempt to misconstrued the facts are vigorous but meaningless. Margarito got caught plain and simple. Most people don't share your sympathy for Margarito in fact most people feel that he should never be able to box in this country again

[sajack100]

This asshole got caught cheating had his hearing and got his license revoked. Your attempt to paint margarito as some innocent guy that had no idea of what was on his own hands is foolish. A guy gets caught cheating red handed and you call it injustice when he's punished. Well sorry to break the news to you but when someone is caught doing something illegal, gets caught and gets punish for it most people call that justice.

[flyinghotwing]

@sajack100 yes i call it justice too, its served, now lets move on....say you go to jail for 3 years and you get out, its good right? stay out now and dont get caught doing anything stupid, you move on and thats what life should be like, get better, pay your dues and move the fuck on while never staying stuck on stupid

[sajack100]

Mlaughing I was just being sarcastic about him having bricks in his gloves but the investigator testified that, "his hands were not hard as a rock but they were firm and hard the lab investigation concluded that he had used a dangerous substance in his wraps, in short his gloves were loaded. Boxing is dangerous enough without this piece of shit putting shit into his gloves. I mean who the fuck can respect a guy that would seriously hurt or kill another fighter just for a victory.

[Mlaughing]

@sajack100 No Lab results were inconclusive they said the substance found would turn in to plaster, but when they tested it, it never did. You have any credible articles saying different I’d like to see that.And BTW Guavada is just Bsing there the wraps weren’t even wet yet how how they be hard ? Not even firm and hard like his BS.

[Mlaughing]

@sajack100 wikipedia is not a trusted source anyone can go on there and edit it. That page was even trashed by haters the night of the fight. Yes the substance found was similar to plaster, but it was NOT do more research. All I’m saying is Margo’s trainer use stuff to num his hands, but you wont find that in bias articles from 2009.

[flyinghotwing]

@Mlaughing dude forget all your tecnicalities, richardson checked his hands and found that they were not legal, regardless of the material found later, it was obvious margo cheated, only an idiot would believe he was NOT aware of the handwrapping. Fine. Its history, now Texas correctly gave him his license to fight the best at a stupid weight, but the fight is on, great for boxing, lets move on without all the nitpicking!

[sajack100]

This is such bullshit margarito knew what the fuck was going on. It's funny how some ppl still try to defend this piss of shit. I'm so happy that they found the bricks in his fist b4 the fight.

[Mlaughing]

@sajack100 Nazim and Mosley both saw the wraps and have conflicting stories. There is no actual evidence against Margarito, The stuff they found could NOT be turned in to plaster with water, sweat, or anything at all. All the stuff dose is num your hands.

[SUPERDUENDE13]

you are totaly rigth dude mosley confess he used steroids and in his last figth whit floyd got tire after the 4th round so i wouldnt be surprise if he was on the juiced against margarito the punishment the administrate to margarito was to get him out of the ring i think he was framed by golden boy

[hotboxingit]

@FootballStar1882 don't know...any ideas?

[MSotelo503]

@hotboxingit Wow good job. Reminds me of loose changes on 9/11 .

[hotboxingit]

@FootballStar1882 dude I want to hear!

[TruSmokka13]

@FootballStar1882 your right!! but i also think that scandal had something to do with his loss!! he seemed distracted!! we will see if hes telling the truth when he comes back by the way he performs!!

[fragileugry]

CALL it what ever you want, but we will nver know if margarito is true ,, until we see him fight again, thats the only way to really unfold the truth. but then again people get mad , and like the video states , we are almost forced to belive in a crime made without solid eveidence. mosley admited ,, so where is the balance of justice for those who make margo a criminal without a chnace to prove himself in the ring ,, why mosley ?

[TruSmokka13]

margarito did not cheat against cotto!! he lost against mosley because he was distracted with that scandal!!!

[Midnightrambler3760]

@TruSmokka13 I thought he was distracted with Mosley's fists pounding on his face.

[flyinghotwing]

@TruSmokka13 do u really know he didnt have plaster against cotto? dont think anyone can conclusively state that, and lookin at the great amount of damage that cotto suffered, it would not be a stretch to know that margo cheated then too!....that said, i think the one yr ban was good enough, now let him fight again against pacman, the only stupid thing is the weight, other than that great for boxing.

[TruSmokka13]

@flyinghotwing fuck cotto hes very overrated!! i hope cotto has a rematch with margarito so the tornado can whip his ass again lol!!

[flyinghotwing]

cotto is not overrated, he is what he is a decent fighter that shows the quickness to beat a shane mosely who tattered margacheato, and how would u like to step in there and get pummeled by who knows what kind of plaster rock in his fucken fists, margacheato is a cheat, sure he deserves coming back bigtime with the number one fighter in the world, why the fuck not? but cotto has been a tough fighter for years now, i too would like to see rematch margacheato see if tornado can win without plaster

[flyinghotwing]

he lost to mosely cus he got his fucken ass kicked, dont try to sugar coat a loss, like the old julio cesar chavez used to do once he started gettin his fucken ass kicked...margarito beat cotto good but if u look at the say it was the first time cotto got stopped and cottos face had never ever been lookin that beat up it woudl not surprise me the plaster made the difference, i feel sorry for cotto, nobody deserves a tamperd glove beatin rockshit out of your face and body

[TruSmokka13]

@flyinghotwing fuck cotto!! pacman beat his ass real bad!! margarito is da boricua killer!!! viva mexico!! julio cesar chavez was also a boricua killer!! why you bringing up chavez!?? chavez has nothing to do wit da loss of cotto!!! your a racist!! your just mad cuz mexicans be fuckin up you boricuas!!! remember wilfredo gomez bitch!!

[flyinghotwing]

i aint boricua i aint mexican, i cd giv a fuk bout where a fighter is from= im saying like chavez when he was washed up, quit fucken crying about a loss, take it like a man, margo got beat down by shane after he beat down cotto, i dont take anything away from cotto or margo, they both can tangle with the best if you know the game, i call em like it is, my favorite boxers are black white mexican european asian whereever the fuck theyre from dont mean shit to me so long as they bring it!

[saguirre760]

@TruSmokka13

yup and he didnt make weight properly

[flyinghotwing]

i dont think that cottos face was normal from margos beating, he ws really messed up....hmm

[borikua1286]

Yeah but you know what's funny... In the Cotto fight, He got punched in the face from the first round on and he got only a couple of bruises but when Cotto got hit it was the end of the 8th and 9th round and suddenly he's all fucked up... how do you get hit for a couple of minutes and have all that damage done to you? I don't buy it plus the most damaging punches were uppers and left hooks to the body. No way his face would have been that screwed up without anything in those gloves.

[mrod187]

lol your not very smart.. cotto face cant take punches did pacquioa use plaster? how about the fight with clottey he looked like a red tomato. His wraps were illegal he got punished for that. To say they were like plaster is stupid.

[Mlaughing]

@borikua1286 cotto was ducking in to margos uppercuts and ate everything margo was throwing if there was plaster how was he still up? And all the people saying they had never seen Cotto beaten so badly before, is because Cotto was undefeated idiots. You really think Cotto could take that many uppercuts and still look fine ? Margo was the bigger fighter, his best power punch is the uppercut, and the damaging punches were on the nose NOT the body.

[Crazyblazey818]

Haha Tony I'll give it to ya...you are persistent bro. You been promoting your vids everywhere. But i understand how it goes, that's what you gotta do to get your message out. Good educational piece. And dude Elie Seckbach from ESNews just posted a vid on Margarito...so I think you started a trend. 5 STARS man...can't find this quality anywhere else

[elmansaguapo]

you've got to be a fucking idiot to think that was the first time margarito cheated.

the idiot who made this video forgot to add that cotto had beaten mosley and that margo was in the audience of the mayorga-mosley fight where mosley looked terrible. so why cheat against mosley and not cotto?? lol

it's like getting caught jerking off and saying that was your first time.

[mrod187]

Okay tell me this.. if he cheated against cotto why didnt the ref notice onces he held up his hand? Im sure he could of felt the difference between cotton handwraps and cast(brick) wraps.

[D1ES1D3W4YZ]

margarito taller than hopkins lol

[mannygatillo]

once a cheat always a cheat in my book margacheater should be banded for life

[mrod187]

why should he be banded for according to you? Mosley cheated and he got another shot. Why cant margo?

[Midnightrambler3760]

@mrod187 The word is banned.

[NaptownBorn]

Wow.. I gotta check the rest of this out. I, like many others, just took it at face value and tossed Margarito out as a cheater. I feel like I should shove my foot directly into my mouth and if it's okay with you I'm going to make a video tonight and direct my subscribers (or anyone who may watch) to this video series. Thanks for your research, and thankyou for putting this out here for everyone to see.

[jey8100]

After lossing to Williams, Margarito could not losse again as he would probably never get a shot at another big name. To think that they were willing to cheat to retain the title but not willing to cheat to obtain it and get a bigger paydays is just wishfull thinking.

[NaptownBorn]

That's the keyword, "they", we're talking one guy here. After looking around on the web, tell me where there is significant proof that Margarito knew his hands were dirty before the Mosley fight? Give me some solid evidence that proves he used illegal wraps before the fight? HotBoxingIt is right when he says this should've been treated like a criminal case. Margarito would be cleared of all charges.  I believed he was a cheater too, but looking for proof I find none.

[hotboxingit]

Thank you, brother, and yeah that's perfectly okay with me!

[pasguato77]

thx for posting this video...finally someone w/ intellect about who margarito really is and the huge injustice that was placed upon him...all evidence leads to and proves his innocence yet he remains unlicensed after serving the 1yr suspension all while respecting the sport he's devoted his whole life to...a greater injustice does not exist in this sport...it's great to know there is someone out there w/ a clue who sees it this way as well, thx again.

[hotboxingit]

Your very welcome, and thanks for the support! It IS great to know there are others out there in boxing who share our stance...

[Littlebear414]

tito trinidad would wet his hand wraps

[tarfpir]

If anyone wants the "Assault in the Ring", I've got it and would love to pass it on. .

I'm not saying Margarito = Resto

[hotboxingit]

I believe it was Eric Drath who produced that documentary; it's a tremendous piece of work, very compelling...

[jey8100]

There is no doubt Margarito cheated. In the Cotto fight listen to what the trainer tells him in spanish in the corner between rounds 9 and 10. If you dont speak spanish I'll translate. Margaritos trainer says " By this time your punches should be solid". Why wouldnt they be solid in the earlier rounds? A fighter at this level should be giving 100% in all rounds or they wont be in the boxing game for long.

[hotboxingit]

So in all boxing history, whenever a fighter/trainer--or even a commentator or reporter for that matter--has described punches as "solid," that means a fighter has plaster on his hand wraps?

[MexicanMafia2009]

The strategy was for cotto to get tired as he did the for the first rounds thats why at the later rounds the trainer tells him that by this time he should step up the punches!!! Cotto gave all he could to margarito and couldn't do shit!!! LIVE WITH IT!!!! They video tape the wrapings in las vegas!!! to avoid stuff like this!!! why do you think mosley didn't want to fight margarito in las vegas??? cause he had problems with the balco scandal!!!! Now stop crying cotto fan!!! cotto is margaritos b

[jey8100]

Well obviously ur a margarito Fan since ur Mexican cant hate on that, u gotta support ur people. But this video the same guy thats defending Margarito also say that Margaritos trainner said that Margarito did not know about the handwraps and took the blame. So thats admiting that they did use illegal handwraps. Weather Margaritos knew it or not makes no diffrence, u still have to question his victories.

[MexicanMafia2009]

You are stubborn as they come!... Cheat or no Cheat a crime is being comitted with margarito since he's treated differently from other cheaters with harsher penalties, specially from those cotto fans even though i don't know what they complain about if the pads were discovered at the mosley fight!!! another cheater by the way!!, and then again the commision never gave enough info about the wraps!!! All these haters including you are basing your assumptions on what the media said that's all!!...

[jey8100]

Oh and ur not bias. Fine instead of listening to the pepole in the sport and the professionals we should listen to u. What credentials do u have that we should take ur word over the word of the profesionals that investigated the situation. The reason the penalty is so harsh is because he could of killed somebody with those wraps. Also the pads were discovered at the Mosley fight but who is to say he hasn't been using them for years, regardless they are not punishing him for his previous fights.

[hotboxingit]

No, my argument is that if you've used illegal hand wraps in ANY single fight, you'd definitely know afterward. So:

Given that Capetillo admitted to sole responsibility (that Margarito had no idea of the act being perpetrated), I DO and MUST point to his prior victories, most notably: Clottey, Cintron, Cotto and the close loss to Williams! The pictures, trainer/opposing fighter opinions, lab results, logic, etc. is necessary to support my argument.

But I respect your right to opinion, Jey.

[NaptownBorn]

You actually only have to question one fight, since that is the ONLY time it was discovered. This man also points to Manny Stewart himself overseeing Margarito's wraps not once, but twice and that fact that Margarito has taken his gloves off in previous fights leads me to believe either he never cheated until Mosley or he never knew about it ever.

[quickhitter1990]

@jey8100 fuck your opinion

[jey8100]

@quickhitter1990 Did you hurt your self coming up with such an intelligent, compelling argument. All comments are opinion based if you dont want to know other peoples opinion dont read the comments and if you feel compelled to reply to them at least have something intelligent to say.

[jey8100]

This video is very bias and pure propaganda only giving one side of the story. Freddie Roeach said that Margarito should be suspended for life and he would not allow paquioa to fight him. This guys says that we should belive that magarito did not cheat because of the opinion of one man(Emanuel Stwart). Cott was cut on clottey fight due to a head butt. Check your facts. Also you claim all most fighters keep their gloves on till they are in the locker room. You must not watch a lot of boxing.

[hotboxingit]

Go to the search box and type these words: "Roach Margarito I Believe Him." I invite you to double-check that I quoted Roach word for word.

In addition to Steward, I cited the opinions of Mosley and Williams (plus Roach) on Margarito's innocence.

Cuts ARE part of facial damage, to which Cotto is very susceptible. Cotto, like an Arturo Gatti, cuts and swells up easily. Guys like Mosley don't, really.

I do give both sides and actually state your five basic points.

[MexicanMafia2009]

So all the propaganda going on against margarito that he's a " Villain " it's not biased?? Pls!! open your eyes and do your research but do it legit don't just watch BSPN!!

[MexicanMafia2009]

The media exagerated the scandal specially ESPN about margaritos wraps, and the commision did not give enough information!! we still don't know how much of the substance they found on the pad and they still suspended margarito like if they were a real court without much evidence!!!!....

Now with ODLH sending letters to the comissions i'm not having doubts that he had something to do with the scandal and with the documentary comparing margarito with luis resto...

[hotboxingit]

And that's the problem with this case! If it were a criminal case, any judge or jury (if it even went to trial) would have to decide NOT GUILTY...

But boxing is considered a privilege, and as such can be approved or denied hastily with minimal need for evidence, dismissal of an impeccable track record, and NO proof of intent or co-conspiracy whatsoever.

It's based predominately on the powers that be in boxing! On that note, I'm curious: Why do you think ODLH is anti-Margarito relicensure?

[MexicanMafia2009]

Margarito made odlh look like a coward with the mexican people!, when he challenged him, people went as far as to remove odlh statue from the staples center... i think that's why odlh has a personal vendetta against margarito or it could just be business that odlh didn't have in plan.

[tarfpir]

Great video, however, I'm having trouble with the undisputed evidence: he had a glove insert before a fight. He might not have known about it, and you make a good case that he didn't. So here I am, representing most of the general public, and I'm imagining before a fight NOT knowing what's being put on my hands. It's hard to swallow that a fighter doesn't know what's being put on his hands, period. Great case though: Five Stars

[hotboxingit]

Hey thanks for the rating! Well if I were arguing the case FOR Margarito, I'd probably argue the points I did in the video, point out all the crazy distractions in any pre-fight dressing room and ask, "If Richardson was the only one to spot it (including the state commissioners who were watching!), how can we reasonably expect Margarito to?

To you and the general public I ask: With all the uncertainty, knowing Margarito has paid already paid dearly regardless, does he deserve a chance to...

[hotboxingit]

prove himself in the ring?

[SnapYoNeck]

I dunno. I like Margs and all but he got caught loading his gloves, no if, ands or buts. That much is clear. This is a good piece, well researched and well presented. BUT... All the other stuff, no matter how you feel about it, is all speculation. Whether or not you think he cheated before the Mosley fight, it doesn't matter. He got caught loading his gloves, the cardinal sin in boxing.

[hotboxingit]

Thanks for the compliments, and I think I hear where your coming from as far as all the speculation surrounding the case.

So let's say we took it as a fact that Margarito never cheated in his career, and there's a fair chance that Mosley incident was perpetrated solely by Capetilo:

Would you still ban him for life?

Do you believe that a fighter should know what his trainer's doing at all times and assume all responsibility for any infractions, big or small?

Let me know what you think...

[paquaio09]

it was a very good video which discussed alot of the actual facts instead of just calling margo a cheater but 2 things freddie roach did say at the start that he believed margartio but has since changed stance also i agree totally about the comparision of cottos face after pacquaio and after cotto vs margarito but i dont think you can use the clottey fight as an example as i think that cut came from a headbutt but aside from that great video which diccuses the facts.

[hotboxingit]

Thanks Pacquiao fan! So why do you think Roach changed his stance on Margarito?

[paquaio09]

honestly i dont know he was just saying it on the pacquaio vs cotto 24/7 but it was strange i did see that video you were on about with roach saying margarito was a pretty good guy so its strange

[hotboxingit]

I think so, too...

[leon323]

your giving the people good info ! 5 stars, and your technical fluency is good so dont worry about it, Im worse than you

[hotboxingit]

Thanks Leon, appreciate it!