I think the quality of the responses here demonstrate the need for more compulsory education! It might be worth your time to actually pick up a reputable book that provides a historical rather than theoretical or ideological account of compulsory education. Compulsory education also took children out of the hands of profit-seeking industrialists and into the hands of the state that would protect them from industrial and parental exploitation and ignorance. It is a bedrock of liberal civility.
@cacowninja: Are YOU gonna stop saying the same thing over and over? You're a slave that wants someone ELSE to do something about YOUR LIFE. Freedom of one's mind can only be obtained via individual choice. Stop flaming this video and attempting to keep men trapped in a hive mind mentality with women and the government.
I lived what Frank Zappa was advocating. At the start of my senior year (high school), I couldn't take the system anymore. So I skipped some classes that I didn't excel in anyway. I'd go to the school library and spend hours there reading books that interested me and reading old (WWII and 1950s) magazines hidden high up in the stacks. I LOVED it and I even used one book on psycho-linguistics as the basis of a presentation I had to give in Psychology class. Best thing I ever did.
"Know your enemy! Yes I know my enemy,they're the teachers who taught me to fight me,comprimise,conformity,assimilation,submission,ingorance,hipocracy,brutality,the elite, all of which are American dreams!"BAND- Rage Against the Machine Album-Self Title, Track- Know Your Enemy. All of us experienced this in school settings and to be creative was to be considered a disruption and in need of medicating,corporal punsihment,isolation,accepted bullying,& the first cuts are in the arts! Fuck em!
Our birthright is being denied to us.That of truthful self expression for the happiness of human existance. We immitate rather than originate,for we cannot derrive any poignant sense of security from that which comes from within us. We are introduced by name and immediately follows our defining persona,what we do. We know ourselves chiefly by heresay,what others say that we are.We fear the ever present negative peer review for simply being free to be happy being who we really are.Enough!
In the early 1800s, private schools thrived. But, in 1805, Unitarians and socialists (like Robert Owen) began to collaborate to expand public education. Owenites, especially, liked public schools as a means of advancing both statism and atheism in America, and viewed Prussian education as the realization of their ideals; in 1829, they even established a Carbonari-like conspiracy to advance this goal. By 1852, Massachusetts adopted Prussia's system, and other states then followed this lead.
I agree, the video is loud and flashy with little substance. But I think you are making a logical fallacy wth your example. Einstein is commonly thrown around for things like this, but he is a nobel prize winner who said a year after his final test in school he could not approach any scientific problems because of how much he felt school had discouraged him from ever pursuing sciences. Besides that there are hundreds of famous intellectuals that never attended school.
@zoogle1 If you are familiar with logical fallacies. Your are probably familiar with a famous logical approach called "Popular Induction". Bringing me hundreds of examples doesn't break the conclusion that formal and systematical education system brings progress. This is exactly what is missing for woman in third world countries.
Saying that formal education system is unnecessary, is practically conforming with Taliban and others that says no need for Woman being educated in schools.
@Mishkafofer I'm not saying formal education is unnecessary. I'm all for privatized competitive schools and the voluntary choice to attend school. I don't think there is a solid link between compulsory K-12 and progress. The country experienced a huge decline in literacy for the latter half of the 20th century because of the word teaching method, so there was actually a regression in that area. I think if schools were privatized that problem wouldn't have persisted for 40 years or so.
@zoogle1 I know its an old post , but I must mention that one of the main reasons for comp school is to allow the State to become the surrogate parent disciplinarian/diciple relationship student teacher in the common vernacular.It is by design, as a method of control, of course. On a larger scale you may like to research the work of Edward Bernays and the coining of the trem Public Relations and the manipulation of the hivemind very similar. Peace to you,keep fighting the good fight!
Also, modern education started in Prussia's experiment to make obedient and nationalistic workers. Prussia became very imperialistic about 60 years after compulsory schooling. Our education is not as nationalistic, but based on the same model of standardizing workers and beaurocrats. Research and think about it. Currently its designed to grade you on doing uninteresting things and obeying. Bad grades are embarassing and cause inferiority. Good cause praise. Textbook Pavlov.
@sacredgeometry Also, I heard that they've tried a new anti-bullying program to get kids to learn empathy, and it was 70% effective. That is very helpful, but should've been done a long time ago.
Compulsory education is insane. First of all, it restricts a person and child's choice to do what they wish. Second, they can't always choose to learn what they want to. Third, they're taken in way too soon. Fourth, the more it continues, the more it becomes a hivemind of people pushing the idea that education is effective and calling those who fail or do not wish to go "stupid." Compulsory education is part of why we have so many massive problems here today.
@sacredgeometry ... Is this sarcasm or are you serious? You call compulsory education wonderful because it restricts the growth of children? I believe education should be optional. No-one should be FORCED to go to school if they don't want to. But school should be encouraged, just not forced.
@vgman94 No the current syllabus and system we have does, compulsory free education is one of the best things we can offer children, it gives them the right to a fundamental education. What you said has got nothing to do with the fact that its compulsory.
@sacred Free education is great. But having it compulsory and mandated by law is a restriction of freedom. I mean it should be encouraged, but never forced. But school would be overall more appealing if the way things were done were better. Teachers and other students need to learn to live in harmony more. Heard once a teacher in art class forced a girl to rewrite "gay pride" into something else because he disliked gays. Just because he dislikes gays, he shouldn't have a right over her art...
@vgman94 School is where people first learn to obey authority, that authoritarian figures i.e. teachers, cops, government, military, etc. are always right. That those who oppose them are trouble makers and losers. It's where people's souls and minds are stolen. There and the church. But mainly school since churches are in decline these days.This is why any suggestion of organized corruption and crimes carried out by people in positions of powers are ridiculed by the masses and labeled irrational
@dubified89 Look at this fucking country America, biggest bully on the planet. Exploiting every people they can especially those with darker skin. You can thank your school teachers for enabling most of it. And leftists are fucking stupid thinking they can somehow oppose war and at the same time support the government that conducts it and try to make it bigger and stronger.
@dubified89 Dark skins abuse themselves, there's a reason people advocate sending the niggers to white(only white, while asia is totally homogenous) countries instead of sending humans to nigger countries, if you can call them that.
@dubified89 Beautifully spoken. I could not say it any better myself. And yeah. I've met some nice and kind teachers, but some are either bullies or neglectful.
@Mishkafofer You know your comment proves my point, right? And I don't agree on sexist things like that. Women can go to school if they want, just as men should have that right. Key words are "if they want". This country used to (or was intended to) be about freedom and choice, not a dystopia. And if there's going to be an education, it needs to be effective. Drop out rates are a result of budget cuts, bad teachers, bullying and other bad happenstances that happen at schools.
did u use and cites for this video? if so could you please tell me what they were. I am currently working on a project for an Introduction to American Education class and could use some good cites.
@AMD941 I believe you can find a lot of information in some books, like I kno wthat J.T. Gatto also wrote something about history of Education, and there is similar stuff in the Freedom to Learn Blog of Peter Gray. There you might find further cites. The Wikipedia has information with citations as well. I also found a lot of information doing special searches on the internet. Good luck!
I'm confused perhaps. What is your preference? That people don't go to school? That everybody is home schooled? The only those with money send their children to private schools? What exactly are you advocating?
I'm confused perhaps. What is your preference? That people don't go to school? That everybody is home schooled? The only those with money send their children to private schools? What exactly are you advocating?
@jeff9499 Schooling should be a choice not forced by the government or subsidized by taxpayers. What this video doesn't explain is that America and the rest of the world adopted the Prussian school model.
@jeff9499: Choice. The individual's right to learn what they want, rather than what the state dictates. You gotta realise that there are unquestioned assumptions about schooling that are simply incorrect; the purpose is not to educate kids, but to train them for repetitive labour. Likewise, most people don't learn most of what they know in school. For example, if your parents read, you'll have good literary, if they don't, you won't; school hardly makes any difference at all to literacy.
@JCLeSinge you are so right!! when you wrote "the purpose is not to educate kids, but to train them for repetitive labour" you hit it right on the nose. Even down to the school bell, when that bell rings children are wired to react.
Yup, our school system is very similar today - grounds to indoctrinate / program young minds into rigid obediant future socialist corporate worker - drones.
JohnTaylor Gatto,author of Weapons Of Mass Instruction,is a 3 time teacher of the year in Manhattan.He made terribly successful students of inner city kids.He was asked to stop doing that because the school board didn't want those poor blacks to be successful. He wrote The Underground History Of Education.You can buy it or google it and he put his life's work there FREE.The school is not there to make your child smart.The ones here raised in captivity can't believe it but sorry to say it's true.
You know, you had me convinced until you used the writings of one of the Columbine shooters. I'm sorry, but if you're going to use someone who believed that they had the right to take other people's lives as a "champion of liberty", I'm afraid that I cannot take you seriously.
@AwesomeBritishGuy I have a hard time taking the Queen of England seriously for that same reason ! We have a lot in common comrade. Why doesn't the old bird say enough is enough with the killing of innocent people in the middle east? FYI Columbine was the first "school"in the US to teach DEATH ED . Look it up comrade! It was like sex ed but had the lifeboat sessions where students had to decide who doesn't make it in the lifeboat. The shooters had that class... You Britts get so puffed up!
And also, haven't you realised that the Queen doesn't actually have any real power anymore? Besides, the soldiers in Afghanistan are fighting people who are shooting back, while the Columbine shooters were shooting at people who had no means of retaliation, it's a completely different situation, and don't you dare try to compare war to a school shooting.
Good BS story.All the British stuffed shirts walk away from her backwards.Why is that? There must be a good reason not to turn your back on her.Anyway I don't worship humans.If she is one. But Heroin use is going up where I live.East India Tea Co.were drug runners.British hooked China for Tea in the Opium wars,and nothings changed. No...the school shooting is nothing compared to the wholesale PREMPTIVE slaughter in Afghanistan and the obvious heroin increases heading to Europe and now here. LOL
What the UK is doing is far worse.The UK was a dope dealer in the Opium Wars and still is.The heroin production has never been higher.You tell me why the UK is there shooting at the Afghans? Can you? It was PRE emptive attacks.Worse than Columbine.Osama Bin Ding Dong almost had heroin production almost at 0 till the phoney war.I see you gawk at a lot of television programming so it's no surprise you fancy yourself as Awesome and and go around telling people what not to dare when you are a kid.
the more we discover about the incredibly intricate, organized complexity of the biological world which exists at the molecular level, the more amazing it is that the evolutionist can actually believe it is all a product of pure blind chance over time. The "intelligent design" model, based upon a Divine Creator, makes much more sense.
The word was...go look up cymatics and see the old Hans Jenny video
Cymatics Bringing Matter To Life With Sound (Part 1 of 3) and from sand being vibrated on a plate with frequency of sound and 90% of a dragonfly appears,or what appears to be caterpillars walking.Just particulate matter with frequency.The Bible says the Word was God and He spoke creation into existence.Russian DNA science confirms 90% of DNA is junk and 10% is what matters,and it reacts to frequency,follows language patterns.
It was a guy in New Jersey,named Vinnie, who spilled soda on his pizza .Or maybe it was Harry Potter,or maybe God.I know there are a lot of outcomes based compulsory education children out there that have been trained that the state is God.Look up Russian DNA discoveries...they don't name names either.
But I have to go with God.Try this video for starters.
DNA Science of Shamans, Healers, Esoterics and Paranormal Events .
I love the tower at 1:55. Does anyone know where it's from? Looks Renaissance or post-Rnsc style so it's probably Babel would be my guess...maybe it could be something sci-fi as late as Verne but I doubt it.
Also the music is excellent. I'm really tired of all the same "conspiracy theory" music -- ridiculously slow arpeggios on a synthesizer with eerie vibrato, it's all the same.
Why does education need to be compulsory? Isn't having free education available enough? No govt monopoly that way...
@MyBrotherMan Check out the 1895 Salinas Kansas 8th grade test,and see if you can pass it. The schools are not there to make you smart. They grow buffoons that are easy to take advantage of,that get a universal BS story hence University Stunt your creativity in your formative years,ring a bell to break up your learning like Pavlov's dog. Talented slaves are necessary to build
things or to preform technical tasks for the overclass so they get a bit of that.But like rat poison is 90% munchy
My son went to a Montessori nursery and what he got from it was no better or worse than a state one (looking at mates' nippers).
Learning 8 hours a day is boring for all nippers, at least the Swedes picked the right age to start. Remove schools though and you are left with a void.
compulsory schooling just made me want to ditch. The teachers were a complete joke. Its a good thing i would draw during math class. Fuck math. Seriously. School should let the child PICK a career they want, then let them study on their own (with help, of course) with encouragement. Its fucked up, because i just couldnt use math properly, and it screwed me, so i just kept to drawing. And now i can make 200 bucks a day drawing stupid pictures. Can math do that for me? Hell no
This really is a White middle-class and middle class in general issue. People or different socioeconomic status have different issues concerning schools.
But if we are talking about sensorship and schools teaching a pro American view on history and current events... Why would public schools teach in a way that could be viewed as anti-American. There would be less good than bad to gain.
Without compulsory education many children would suffer even greater from abuses and neglect. It I a way of ensuring a minimal amount of care for all children
Choices are available for upper and middle class parents. Those who don't fit that bill are somewhat screwed. The likelihood of major shifts in education are nil. It's a big monster of a broken machine that needs so much work. What our kids need th most are good parents. School is in a sense daycare. Real education should take place with the family.
I dont disagree with what is said in this video, but I think its a bit over exaggerated. The greatest inventors in the world were able to do what they did because they were able to gain the base knowledge they needed for their creativity to truly kick in.
I know far too many parents who are way too irresponsible to be able to teach kids fully, and even more so if they have multiple children.
I think that schools are required, but the option to attend them or not is a freedom of rights issue
But it is far from confirmed that children learn social skills best in a classroom. It seems that there would be many more social activities. Also, why force a kid to socialize?
Wouldn't the majority of children who'd opt our of schooling be those who do poorly in school anyways? If they have no academic future, why force them to go to school? Furthermore, compulsory education is, in a sense, slavery as it is forced labor, whether it's 'for their own good' is irrelevant.
I suppose you would leave children alone and let them do whatever they want. The results would be disastrous, you can't deny that. I've said this before, people live in a community and it's the community's responsibility to make it work. Collectivism is a part of human nature, you individualists should accept that. Also, I don't want this to get into a "self-ownership" discussion, I've had too many of those.
I'm saying that children have the choice to get educated now, they make that choice by working hard or not. The only thing they can be forced to do is go to school, they CAN'T be forced to learn. Thus, if learning is the purpose of school, forced attendance is purposeless. How would not forcing kids to attend a school be disastrous? I really don't see your comment addressing either of my points though.
Of course they can be forced to learn, they do have to pass tests/exams, don't they? If they don't then they are forced to take them again until they pass. I'm not so concerned with attendance because I would agree that it shouldn't be compulsory but the tests should be. The rationality behind compulsory attendance I think is that it is at least some way of guaranteeing that the child will have a better chance of taking the exams, by at least making sure that he is exposed to the curricula.
They have to take exams, true, but exams still can't force a child to learn. The children who repeatedly fail the exams would be the ones to opt out of schooling. Most likely, they'll never even graduate high school, if you think exams guarantee an education, I suggest you look at a public high school.
The bottom line is, the only kids who will opt out of school will be those who drop out of high school, someone who aspires to go to college won't opt out, so how could the results be disastrous?
I should say that I'm not familiar with the US system, I don't know what is compulsory there, but I was talking more about primary school. Ask any kid at the age of 7 if he'd rather go to school every day or stay at home and play and most will probably stay at home. At that age you can't really say how a child will end up, whether he will drop out or not. Children can't be left to choose on their own, if they do that the results will be disastrous, yes.
Well, if all 7 year olds would opt out of school, then chances are, they won't bother studying anyways.
Furthermore, how would not going to school until the age of 10-12 be disastrous? When you look at things, every subject, except math, simply teaches the same thing, just more in-depth. Why couldn't a kid start going to school at 10-12? Why should 7 year olds need to go to school if they'll just catch up if/when they see more value in education?
I just don't agree with your assertions. A child in school, even if forced to be there, will get more education than one who doesn't attend school at all. And even at 10-12, I don't think he is old enough to somehow come to the conclusion that school is necessary, not to mention by the time they hit puberty. Nevertheless, our arguments are now being based on personal interpretations of things as we see them in our own countries, in different societies altogether, so we're bound not to agree.
Why is it reasonable to force a kid to spend 1/6 of his life in a classroom? If the kid still has the choice to do homework and study, which is inevitable. All that can be forced is attendance, attendance alone has no benefits to the child, so why should it be forced? Also, for every kid who doesn't learn from school and would opt out were it not mandatory, taxpayers pay several thousand dollars! Those several thousand dollars are simply wasted.
Th point I'm trying to make is that the government cannot force work, only the individual can. So, if work is what is beneficial to the child, then why should attendance, which alone is just a waste of a massive amount of time, be mandatory? Even if we deem it 'for their own good', it is slavery nevertheless. Would you approve of the government forcing overweight people the exercise, even though forced exercise would be healthy, and forced attendance alone is useless?
We don't agree on the fact that attendance alone is useless, that's what I've been saying for a while but you don't seem to take notice.
Also, we're talking about education for young children, it's a whole different matter than exercise. The way children grow up affects us all, so we have the responsibility to take care of that.
I acknowledged that they would still learn a little more, just a very mediocre education is not going to be a whole lot better than none. While you think we have the responsibility to take care of how children grow up, does forcing them to go to school, while giving them a choice to learn or not really take care of them? The very essence of compulsory education is slavery, how does the community have the right to enslave children for what they deem to be their own good? Why not let them choose?
I said that because of compulsory attendance and exams they are not given the choice to learn, they have to learn at least to pass. And that IS a whole lot better than none. Education might be slavery because of what is being taught, not because of the teaching itself, but that is a different matter.
Then explain why so many high schoolers have such a minimal intelligence. They don't need to pass the exams, do they? What consequences will the kid have for not passing exams? The bottom line is, kids can never be forced to learn, just attend and take exams they don't necessarily translate to learning.
The only kids who will opt out of learning are those who will drop out of high school the day they turn 16 and will end up working for minimum wage their whole lives how is the end result any better that that of no compulsion? The only difference is the means the unfortunate end result was achieved, it's either achieved by messing around having fun during childhood, or being forced to sit in a classroom all day, which means is better?
According to your first assertion, while a child who attends school and doesn't work learns more that one who never attends (except in the instance of homeschooling), the small amount that is learned will never get the child a better job, it will never benefit the child in any significant manner. Also, they likely will still learn the basics through their childhood, and if not, will be able to learn them in adulthood.
Again, I don't agree with you. School environment, professional teachers, classmates, all of that have a positive effect on a young child, THAT's why they exist! Almost all kids hate school at first, but most realize later on that it was better for them that they went.
Then why not let them choose to do something you deem to have a positive effect? Why force them to go to a building because we determine it will have a positive effect? Also, I haven't received a single response to how this form of slavery is justified.
When it comes to children it's not slavery. You don't actually think that a parent that forces his kid to stay home for the night is enslaving his child, do you?
Well, perhaps slavery is not the best term. How about imprisonment? The child is forced to be in a room 7 hours a day where (s)he has nothing to do but listen to a teacher, how is that justified? The child still will end working for minimum wage either way, so how is such imprisonment beneficial? And in response to your question, yes, it is imprisonment, and I oppose a parents absolute control over their child in the same way I oppose compulsory school attendance.
Apparently I have to repeat this. There is no point in you continuing your argument and asking questions when I don't agree with your assumptions. I don't agree on so many levels that there's really no use in continuing this, I don't have the energy right now. I wanted to maybe come to a "agree to disagree" conclusion with you but you're having none of it. I will end this here.
I'm completely non-religious so creationism doesn't enter into it, but if I have kids we'll home school 'em. The thing is I wouldn't trust a government to open a tin of cat food without hiring five people, after which at least three will end up with cut fingers, my best kitchen knife will be notched and blunted, half the cat food will be on the floor and most of the rest on the cat.... so why the hell would I entrust the education of my children to the state?
Excellent vid. Today, schools are nothing more than breeding grounds for little corporate drones taught to believe in socialsim / big government intervention, while having an unquestionable respect for gov't appointed 'experts' & their opinions.
It's not all bad, but having any homeschooling allows people to teach children whatever they want, no matter how crazy, creationism being a good example. So, yeah, I think education should be left to experts.
But it also provides typically a much better education. Also, studies have shown that 95% of all homechoolers are happy they homeschooled, get better grades, and aren't socially behind. So why take all of that away just so they can't teach creationism? Private schools can teach creationism too you know.
I'm not against homeschooling per se, because it can have its advantages, mainly related to the way children are taught and the avoidance of school environment (which may be unacceptable to some). I'm not familiar with the system in the US, but generally I believe there should be a control (yes, by the state) over the curricula of any kind of school, that's what I'm advocating.
Not unless you want them to be functioning members of society. It is a threat to my freedom, if you like, to have uneducated, uncivilized people around.
What in the world makes you think that people don't teach their children whatever they want despite what the child is being taught at school?? It is also that parent's fundamental right to teach their child their beliefs no matter what the rest of us might think!! That kind of thinking is what has led to the genocide of aboriginal/first nations culture.
Of course the parents can teach their children whatever they want AT HOME. But we have to give children a chance to think for themselves and be in contact with other children and maybe even debate with their teacher what they are being thought. If all they know is what they're being told at home, there's no way they can discern what is being fed into them from young age.
The piece is Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi {Fortune, Empress of the World} from Carl Orf's Carmina Burana, first performed in Nazi Germany in 1937. It is a very compelling composition.
Compulsory school wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so limited. What were the words?
Only the most obedient could attain the highest positions?
Yeah, that says it all.
Like the NWO. Objectively, there's really nothing wrong with the notion or the theory. It's been around for centuries. But it can't be run by criminals and slave masters. That's what makes it evil. Not the idea itself.
Any sort of system can work, if it is operated by people who care and nurture.
Exactly. ..and wouldn't be a legitimate government if they did, because it is contradictory to common law. The system that is born illegitimately can neither give nor take rights away, because they are criminals.
I meant to say that any basic system, communism, democracy, republic, aristocracy, all can be created without the parts that don't work, and that we all hate, by designing it that way. What we have is a mixture. We need only pick out the parts we like and throw the rest back.
If you're basing you're ideology and opinion on whether or not the bible allows you to do something you are just as if not more brainwashed as the students forced to go to public school by state laws. Think about that my friend.
I have written "The Ballad of John Taylor Gatto" and the chorus is "ALL CHILDREN ARE INTELLIGENT, ALL CHILDREN ARE BEAUTIFUL, ALL CHILDREN ARE CREATORS, THIS WE KNOW, THIS THEY FEAR!" You can see the video on my channel.
Gatto is absolutely correct in stating that Complusory State Education is by design and attempt to destroy the innate intelligence of children and replace with a faux intelligence that is based upon the psychology of an insecure ego.
First of all, I'm a high school student. Coencidentally my class is writing an essay response to John Gatto's article "Against School" (Harper's Magazine 2001). I'll focus only on the Prussian origin here. Fact, the current model for the American school system originates from Prussia. However, at the time the system was adopted Prussia was a nation many other envied. It never aimed to create mindless drones. The thousands that were involved in the US space program are proof.
space exploration is an utterly vain and pointless pursuit. who cares if you can put a hunk of metal into space. it is more important to learn to be morally good people. all the effort and resources poured into the space programs of the world, while people go hungry and disease ravages parts of society. they have learned to ignore the welfare of their fellow man while greedily grabbing resources to satisfy their curiousity. people are more important than things.
The state education system is corrupt, depersonalising, dehumanizing, anti-individualist, bureaucratic and counter productive, we don't nurture talents and interests of students, we merely indoctrinate them, so they can regurgitate information into pieces of paper, so they can leave school to be brain dead worker drones churned out into the economy, void of individual thought, creativity, ambition and personal self awareness,
I'm all for the Steiner model of education and Swiss voucher system.
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I'm a high school student and speaking on behalf of those I know "brain dead worker drones" is not how I see myself. My friends and I have aspirations. The current school system is a valuable tool to taste a bit of everything and decide what you want to do with your life.
GREAT VIDEO! I'm a proud unschooler myself! I teach myself everything, everything I know I taught myself and I'm taking college courses at the age of 16. Guess what people, school isn't a place to get smarter, it's a place to become closeminded and imprisoned. Thank you so much for this video!!!
Personally, the government neglects its own fucking education system. They shill out orders and do nothing to ensure their shit is taken in. In a lot of places, what the kids is not in the classroom, it is out in the community. A fellow teacher of mine had his students build a miniature golf course from scratch and they did a good job. It's not totally lost, and I am glad teachers are still afforded such power to pursue learning and not some kind of state objective plan.
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This is fantastic. I'm a sudbury student and love anyone acknowledging the actual history behind public school. It was designed to brainwash, it is the reason Hitler could rise to power, and literacy in America was HIGHER before compulsory education laws were instilled. -sigh- Many school teachers may go into it meaning well, but the road to hell was paved with good intentions.
You people, need to start asking questions to your decisionmakers, what organisations they are swearing oaths to, what the agendas of the organisations are, or your children will be next, NO JOKE!!!!
Awesome work!!!! I am glad you mentioned Cato, Mises institute.
Also, don't forget Milton and Rose Friedman Foundation.
Problem is that not enough people from the grassroots want choice in education.
The typical liberal is like: I don't mind taxes as long as it goes into education or health (nevermind the fact that the govt wastes money like crazy). Public education sucks. But how are we going to displace 3 million teachers off their fat salaries?
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davepaintify 1 week ago
I think the quality of the responses here demonstrate the need for more compulsory education! It might be worth your time to actually pick up a reputable book that provides a historical rather than theoretical or ideological account of compulsory education. Compulsory education also took children out of the hands of profit-seeking industrialists and into the hands of the state that would protect them from industrial and parental exploitation and ignorance. It is a bedrock of liberal civility.
havidol1 1 week ago
this video is the stupidest bullshit ever
sfiorare 5 months ago
@sfiorare why?
Cherybloss17 4 months ago
@Cherybloss17 - it's hyperbole
sfiorare 4 months ago
@cacowninja: Are YOU gonna stop saying the same thing over and over? You're a slave that wants someone ELSE to do something about YOUR LIFE. Freedom of one's mind can only be obtained via individual choice. Stop flaming this video and attempting to keep men trapped in a hive mind mentality with women and the government.
Shehasnomorals 6 months ago
I lived what Frank Zappa was advocating. At the start of my senior year (high school), I couldn't take the system anymore. So I skipped some classes that I didn't excel in anyway. I'd go to the school library and spend hours there reading books that interested me and reading old (WWII and 1950s) magazines hidden high up in the stacks. I LOVED it and I even used one book on psycho-linguistics as the basis of a presentation I had to give in Psychology class. Best thing I ever did.
xander7ful 7 months ago
"Know your enemy! Yes I know my enemy,they're the teachers who taught me to fight me,comprimise,conformity,assimilation,submission,ingorance,hipocracy,brutality,the elite, all of which are American dreams!"BAND- Rage Against the Machine Album-Self Title, Track- Know Your Enemy. All of us experienced this in school settings and to be creative was to be considered a disruption and in need of medicating,corporal punsihment,isolation,accepted bullying,& the first cuts are in the arts! Fuck em!
justaman6972 8 months ago 2
Our birthright is being denied to us.That of truthful self expression for the happiness of human existance. We immitate rather than originate,for we cannot derrive any poignant sense of security from that which comes from within us. We are introduced by name and immediately follows our defining persona,what we do. We know ourselves chiefly by heresay,what others say that we are.We fear the ever present negative peer review for simply being free to be happy being who we really are.Enough!
justaman6972 8 months ago
In the early 1800s, private schools thrived. But, in 1805, Unitarians and socialists (like Robert Owen) began to collaborate to expand public education. Owenites, especially, liked public schools as a means of advancing both statism and atheism in America, and viewed Prussian education as the realization of their ideals; in 1829, they even established a Carbonari-like conspiracy to advance this goal. By 1852, Massachusetts adopted Prussia's system, and other states then followed this lead.
DaveGarber1975 10 months ago
this video lacks merit, ideas and knowledge don't need this kind musical presentation.
When that last time you saw a Nobel Prize laureate in science that didn't went to Public School?
Don't want Public schooling, fine, but don't bitch Chinese Engineers and Scientist will take your job and moving you firm to China.
Also you can try Home Schooling and see where it will get you.
Mishkafofer 11 months ago
@Mishkafofer
I agree, the video is loud and flashy with little substance. But I think you are making a logical fallacy wth your example. Einstein is commonly thrown around for things like this, but he is a nobel prize winner who said a year after his final test in school he could not approach any scientific problems because of how much he felt school had discouraged him from ever pursuing sciences. Besides that there are hundreds of famous intellectuals that never attended school.
zoogle1 11 months ago
@zoogle1 If you are familiar with logical fallacies. Your are probably familiar with a famous logical approach called "Popular Induction". Bringing me hundreds of examples doesn't break the conclusion that formal and systematical education system brings progress. This is exactly what is missing for woman in third world countries.
Saying that formal education system is unnecessary, is practically conforming with Taliban and others that says no need for Woman being educated in schools.
Mishkafofer 11 months ago
@Mishkafofer I'm not saying formal education is unnecessary. I'm all for privatized competitive schools and the voluntary choice to attend school. I don't think there is a solid link between compulsory K-12 and progress. The country experienced a huge decline in literacy for the latter half of the 20th century because of the word teaching method, so there was actually a regression in that area. I think if schools were privatized that problem wouldn't have persisted for 40 years or so.
zoogle1 10 months ago
@zoogle1 Who prevents people from sending kids to private schools except their financial conditions? Am i missing something?
Mishkafofer 10 months ago
@zoogle1 I know its an old post , but I must mention that one of the main reasons for comp school is to allow the State to become the surrogate parent disciplinarian/diciple relationship student teacher in the common vernacular.It is by design, as a method of control, of course. On a larger scale you may like to research the work of Edward Bernays and the coining of the trem Public Relations and the manipulation of the hivemind very similar. Peace to you,keep fighting the good fight!
justaman6972 8 months ago
@Mishkafofer
Also, modern education started in Prussia's experiment to make obedient and nationalistic workers. Prussia became very imperialistic about 60 years after compulsory schooling. Our education is not as nationalistic, but based on the same model of standardizing workers and beaurocrats. Research and think about it. Currently its designed to grade you on doing uninteresting things and obeying. Bad grades are embarassing and cause inferiority. Good cause praise. Textbook Pavlov.
zoogle1 11 months ago
Please don't fabricate historical data. Second alternative schooling should fill in compulsory education not replace it, since both have + and -.
Cyricist001 1 year ago
The sentence should have read "Its the way we restrict the growth of children and our system of education which is shocking."
sacredgeometry 1 year ago
@sacredgeometry Also, I heard that they've tried a new anti-bullying program to get kids to learn empathy, and it was 70% effective. That is very helpful, but should've been done a long time ago.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 Teachers are the biggest bullies around
dubified89 1 year ago
Compulsory education is insane. First of all, it restricts a person and child's choice to do what they wish. Second, they can't always choose to learn what they want to. Third, they're taken in way too soon. Fourth, the more it continues, the more it becomes a hivemind of people pushing the idea that education is effective and calling those who fail or do not wish to go "stupid." Compulsory education is part of why we have so many massive problems here today.
vgman94 1 year ago 6
@vgman94 I disagree, compulsory education is wonderful its the way we restrict the growth of children and our system of education which is shocking.
sacredgeometry 1 year ago
@sacredgeometry ... Is this sarcasm or are you serious? You call compulsory education wonderful because it restricts the growth of children? I believe education should be optional. No-one should be FORCED to go to school if they don't want to. But school should be encouraged, just not forced.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 no sorry there should have been a full stop there.
sacredgeometry 1 year ago
@sacredgeometry What part are you replying to? No offense, but your comments are rather vague as to what they're trying to convey.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 No the current syllabus and system we have does, compulsory free education is one of the best things we can offer children, it gives them the right to a fundamental education. What you said has got nothing to do with the fact that its compulsory.
sacredgeometry 1 year ago
@sacred Free education is great. But having it compulsory and mandated by law is a restriction of freedom. I mean it should be encouraged, but never forced. But school would be overall more appealing if the way things were done were better. Teachers and other students need to learn to live in harmony more. Heard once a teacher in art class forced a girl to rewrite "gay pride" into something else because he disliked gays. Just because he dislikes gays, he shouldn't have a right over her art...
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 School is where people first learn to obey authority, that authoritarian figures i.e. teachers, cops, government, military, etc. are always right. That those who oppose them are trouble makers and losers. It's where people's souls and minds are stolen. There and the church. But mainly school since churches are in decline these days.This is why any suggestion of organized corruption and crimes carried out by people in positions of powers are ridiculed by the masses and labeled irrational
dubified89 1 year ago
@dubified89 Look at this fucking country America, biggest bully on the planet. Exploiting every people they can especially those with darker skin. You can thank your school teachers for enabling most of it. And leftists are fucking stupid thinking they can somehow oppose war and at the same time support the government that conducts it and try to make it bigger and stronger.
dubified89 1 year ago
@dubified89 Dark skins abuse themselves, there's a reason people advocate sending the niggers to white(only white, while asia is totally homogenous) countries instead of sending humans to nigger countries, if you can call them that.
JSona100 11 months ago
@dubified89 Beautifully spoken. I could not say it any better myself. And yeah. I've met some nice and kind teachers, but some are either bullies or neglectful.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 There are organizations such as Taliban that forbid woman from going to school, you and they practically agree on this.
So in i guess according to you, there is no need for education in third world countries, they can continue as they are.
Mishkafofer 11 months ago
@Mishkafofer You know your comment proves my point, right? And I don't agree on sexist things like that. Women can go to school if they want, just as men should have that right. Key words are "if they want". This country used to (or was intended to) be about freedom and choice, not a dystopia. And if there's going to be an education, it needs to be effective. Drop out rates are a result of budget cuts, bad teachers, bullying and other bad happenstances that happen at schools.
vgman94 11 months ago
@vgman94 Are you gonna do something about it?
Cacowninja 6 months ago
did u use and cites for this video? if so could you please tell me what they were. I am currently working on a project for an Introduction to American Education class and could use some good cites.
AMD941 1 year ago
@AMD941 I believe you can find a lot of information in some books, like I kno wthat J.T. Gatto also wrote something about history of Education, and there is similar stuff in the Freedom to Learn Blog of Peter Gray. There you might find further cites. The Wikipedia has information with citations as well. I also found a lot of information doing special searches on the internet. Good luck!
CAHartkamp 1 year ago
11 people are bureaucrats from the Department of Education.
madderbass 1 year ago
the one quote by eric harris, columbine shooter.. poor darling .. if only circumstances were different.
liensvoice 1 year ago
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I'm confused perhaps. What is your preference? That people don't go to school? That everybody is home schooled? The only those with money send their children to private schools? What exactly are you advocating?
jeff9499 1 year ago
I'm confused perhaps. What is your preference? That people don't go to school? That everybody is home schooled? The only those with money send their children to private schools? What exactly are you advocating?
jeff9499 1 year ago
@jeff9499 Schooling should be a choice not forced by the government or subsidized by taxpayers. What this video doesn't explain is that America and the rest of the world adopted the Prussian school model.
FireGuyX 1 year ago
@jeff9499: Choice. The individual's right to learn what they want, rather than what the state dictates. You gotta realise that there are unquestioned assumptions about schooling that are simply incorrect; the purpose is not to educate kids, but to train them for repetitive labour. Likewise, most people don't learn most of what they know in school. For example, if your parents read, you'll have good literary, if they don't, you won't; school hardly makes any difference at all to literacy.
JCLeSinge 1 year ago
@JCLeSinge you are so right!! when you wrote "the purpose is not to educate kids, but to train them for repetitive labour" you hit it right on the nose. Even down to the school bell, when that bell rings children are wired to react.
angelinajoanie 1 year ago
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@JCLeSinge
i'm just being nitpicky.
"For example, if your parents read, you'll have good literary, "
if you are surrounded by books or people who read, you should have a higher chance of literary.
(i remember my dad, the academic genius/prick, professed when i was in grade school that he and my mom had no love for reading lol.)
"school hardly makes any difference at all to literacy. "
actually, yes, it does. it actually killed my literacy XD in middle school.
liensvoice 1 year ago
give me plenty of bibles and plenty of liquor and i can controll any society. easily and effortlessly
REAL88E 1 year ago
well im having a go at the schoolsystem in my country. Im going to talk with my country's minister of education and change it with or without him.
I've got my new system all typed out and now its time to find a way to make it real
Kids should learn by playing and being curious and explore on their own
frenciej 1 year ago
What was the cartoon of the concentration camp @ 3:16?
yadidaholla 1 year ago
Yup, our school system is very similar today - grounds to indoctrinate / program young minds into rigid obediant future socialist corporate worker - drones.
luckyvet 1 year ago
somebody please tell me the name of the opening song!!
autumndominiqe 1 year ago
@autumndominiqe O Fortuna?
SuperWIMM 1 year ago
@SuperWIMM Thank you very much. :)
autumndominiqe 1 year ago
@autumndominiqe The name of the song is; "Carmina Burana" By Carl Orff.
Powerful music.
The4LA2Baker0 1 year ago
JohnTaylor Gatto,author of Weapons Of Mass Instruction,is a 3 time teacher of the year in Manhattan.He made terribly successful students of inner city kids.He was asked to stop doing that because the school board didn't want those poor blacks to be successful. He wrote The Underground History Of Education.You can buy it or google it and he put his life's work there FREE.The school is not there to make your child smart.The ones here raised in captivity can't believe it but sorry to say it's true.
TheVeryMuchSoShow 2 years ago
what's the name of the second song?that kick-ass rock?
sccooty 2 years ago
Awesome building at 1:55 If only we built something like that in real life.
jaymthegenius 2 years ago
You know, you had me convinced until you used the writings of one of the Columbine shooters. I'm sorry, but if you're going to use someone who believed that they had the right to take other people's lives as a "champion of liberty", I'm afraid that I cannot take you seriously.
AwesomeBritishGuy 2 years ago
@AwesomeBritishGuy I have a hard time taking the Queen of England seriously for that same reason ! We have a lot in common comrade. Why doesn't the old bird say enough is enough with the killing of innocent people in the middle east? FYI Columbine was the first "school"in the US to teach DEATH ED . Look it up comrade! It was like sex ed but had the lifeboat sessions where students had to decide who doesn't make it in the lifeboat. The shooters had that class... You Britts get so puffed up!
TheVeryMuchSoShow 2 years ago
@TheVeryMuchSoShow So... they killed because they had that class?
And also, haven't you realised that the Queen doesn't actually have any real power anymore? Besides, the soldiers in Afghanistan are fighting people who are shooting back, while the Columbine shooters were shooting at people who had no means of retaliation, it's a completely different situation, and don't you dare try to compare war to a school shooting.
AwesomeBritishGuy 2 years ago
Good BS story.All the British stuffed shirts walk away from her backwards.Why is that? There must be a good reason not to turn your back on her.Anyway I don't worship humans.If she is one. But Heroin use is going up where I live.East India Tea Co.were drug runners.British hooked China for Tea in the Opium wars,and nothings changed. No...the school shooting is nothing compared to the wholesale PREMPTIVE slaughter in Afghanistan and the obvious heroin increases heading to Europe and now here. LOL
TheVeryMuchSoShow 2 years ago
What the UK is doing is far worse.The UK was a dope dealer in the Opium Wars and still is.The heroin production has never been higher.You tell me why the UK is there shooting at the Afghans? Can you? It was PRE emptive attacks.Worse than Columbine.Osama Bin Ding Dong almost had heroin production almost at 0 till the phoney war.I see you gawk at a lot of television programming so it's no surprise you fancy yourself as Awesome and and go around telling people what not to dare when you are a kid.
TheVeryMuchSoShow 2 years ago
the more we discover about the incredibly intricate, organized complexity of the biological world which exists at the molecular level, the more amazing it is that the evolutionist can actually believe it is all a product of pure blind chance over time. The "intelligent design" model, based upon a Divine Creator, makes much more sense.
valu777 2 years ago
The word was...go look up cymatics and see the old Hans Jenny video
Cymatics Bringing Matter To Life With Sound (Part 1 of 3) and from sand being vibrated on a plate with frequency of sound and 90% of a dragonfly appears,or what appears to be caterpillars walking.Just particulate matter with frequency.The Bible says the Word was God and He spoke creation into existence.Russian DNA science confirms 90% of DNA is junk and 10% is what matters,and it reacts to frequency,follows language patterns.
TheVeryMuchSoShow 2 years ago
you mention DNA it is a known fact that DNA is a code Question who wrote the code?
valu777 2 years ago
It was a guy in New Jersey,named Vinnie, who spilled soda on his pizza .Or maybe it was Harry Potter,or maybe God.I know there are a lot of outcomes based compulsory education children out there that have been trained that the state is God.Look up Russian DNA discoveries...they don't name names either.
But I have to go with God.Try this video for starters.
DNA Science of Shamans, Healers, Esoterics and Paranormal Events .
TheVeryMuchSoShow 2 years ago
who? do you have any evidence that it was made by a who and not a what?
666fruitfly 2 years ago
@666fruitfly well there is no occurrence of any other code that is not from a mind , just logic that dna is from a mind
valu777 2 years ago
wtf this is the 3rd time I have tried to post this comment
fuflanders 2 years ago
The restriction of true freedom will continue as the plan to move into a collective continues.
Shehasnomorals 2 years ago 8
@Shehasnomorals Are you gonna do something about it?
Cacowninja 6 months ago
I love the tower at 1:55. Does anyone know where it's from? Looks Renaissance or post-Rnsc style so it's probably Babel would be my guess...maybe it could be something sci-fi as late as Verne but I doubt it.
Also the music is excellent. I'm really tired of all the same "conspiracy theory" music -- ridiculously slow arpeggios on a synthesizer with eerie vibrato, it's all the same.
Why does education need to be compulsory? Isn't having free education available enough? No govt monopoly that way...
MyBrotherMan 2 years ago
@MyBrotherMan Check out the 1895 Salinas Kansas 8th grade test,and see if you can pass it. The schools are not there to make you smart. They grow buffoons that are easy to take advantage of,that get a universal BS story hence University Stunt your creativity in your formative years,ring a bell to break up your learning like Pavlov's dog. Talented slaves are necessary to build
things or to preform technical tasks for the overclass so they get a bit of that.But like rat poison is 90% munchy
TheVeryMuchSoShow 2 years ago
Crap,
My son went to a Montessori nursery and what he got from it was no better or worse than a state one (looking at mates' nippers).
Learning 8 hours a day is boring for all nippers, at least the Swedes picked the right age to start. Remove schools though and you are left with a void.
TobyRowe 2 years ago
No wonder the MBA's don't have 'common' sense.
73cupcake 2 years ago 2
compulsory schooling just made me want to ditch. The teachers were a complete joke. Its a good thing i would draw during math class. Fuck math. Seriously. School should let the child PICK a career they want, then let them study on their own (with help, of course) with encouragement. Its fucked up, because i just couldnt use math properly, and it screwed me, so i just kept to drawing. And now i can make 200 bucks a day drawing stupid pictures. Can math do that for me? Hell no
mmmmmarcus 2 years ago 2
This really is a White middle-class and middle class in general issue. People or different socioeconomic status have different issues concerning schools.
But if we are talking about sensorship and schools teaching a pro American view on history and current events... Why would public schools teach in a way that could be viewed as anti-American. There would be less good than bad to gain.
wakawaka1976 2 years ago
You're definitely missing the point
321lawc 2 years ago
Without compulsory education many children would suffer even greater from abuses and neglect. It I a way of ensuring a minimal amount of care for all children
wakawaka1976 2 years ago
Choices are available for upper and middle class parents. Those who don't fit that bill are somewhat screwed. The likelihood of major shifts in education are nil. It's a big monster of a broken machine that needs so much work. What our kids need th most are good parents. School is in a sense daycare. Real education should take place with the family.
wakawaka1976 2 years ago 2
This what the system wants:
1.Obedient soldiers to the army;
2.Obedient workers to the mines;
3.Well subordinated civil servants to government;
4.Well subordinated clerks to industry
5.Citizens who thought alike about major issues
nerdmastermind 2 years ago
I dont disagree with what is said in this video, but I think its a bit over exaggerated. The greatest inventors in the world were able to do what they did because they were able to gain the base knowledge they needed for their creativity to truly kick in.
I know far too many parents who are way too irresponsible to be able to teach kids fully, and even more so if they have multiple children.
I think that schools are required, but the option to attend them or not is a freedom of rights issue
XeusDeus 2 years ago
I'd like to see one good reason in support of compulsory education, just one.
ICTN218 2 years ago
Free daycare!!HAHA!!!
spickyspan 2 years ago
Children learn social skills.
Children get taught by professionals.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
But it is far from confirmed that children learn social skills best in a classroom. It seems that there would be many more social activities. Also, why force a kid to socialize?
Wouldn't the majority of children who'd opt our of schooling be those who do poorly in school anyways? If they have no academic future, why force them to go to school? Furthermore, compulsory education is, in a sense, slavery as it is forced labor, whether it's 'for their own good' is irrelevant.
ICTN218 2 years ago
I suppose you would leave children alone and let them do whatever they want. The results would be disastrous, you can't deny that. I've said this before, people live in a community and it's the community's responsibility to make it work. Collectivism is a part of human nature, you individualists should accept that. Also, I don't want this to get into a "self-ownership" discussion, I've had too many of those.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
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ICTN218 2 years ago
I'm saying that children have the choice to get educated now, they make that choice by working hard or not. The only thing they can be forced to do is go to school, they CAN'T be forced to learn. Thus, if learning is the purpose of school, forced attendance is purposeless. How would not forcing kids to attend a school be disastrous? I really don't see your comment addressing either of my points though.
ICTN218 2 years ago
Of course they can be forced to learn, they do have to pass tests/exams, don't they? If they don't then they are forced to take them again until they pass. I'm not so concerned with attendance because I would agree that it shouldn't be compulsory but the tests should be. The rationality behind compulsory attendance I think is that it is at least some way of guaranteeing that the child will have a better chance of taking the exams, by at least making sure that he is exposed to the curricula.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
They have to take exams, true, but exams still can't force a child to learn. The children who repeatedly fail the exams would be the ones to opt out of schooling. Most likely, they'll never even graduate high school, if you think exams guarantee an education, I suggest you look at a public high school.
The bottom line is, the only kids who will opt out of school will be those who drop out of high school, someone who aspires to go to college won't opt out, so how could the results be disastrous?
ICTN218 2 years ago
I should say that I'm not familiar with the US system, I don't know what is compulsory there, but I was talking more about primary school. Ask any kid at the age of 7 if he'd rather go to school every day or stay at home and play and most will probably stay at home. At that age you can't really say how a child will end up, whether he will drop out or not. Children can't be left to choose on their own, if they do that the results will be disastrous, yes.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
Some of the choices should be for the parents to make, and some (like education) should be the responsibility of the community as a whole.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
Well, if all 7 year olds would opt out of school, then chances are, they won't bother studying anyways.
Furthermore, how would not going to school until the age of 10-12 be disastrous? When you look at things, every subject, except math, simply teaches the same thing, just more in-depth. Why couldn't a kid start going to school at 10-12? Why should 7 year olds need to go to school if they'll just catch up if/when they see more value in education?
ICTN218 2 years ago
I just don't agree with your assertions. A child in school, even if forced to be there, will get more education than one who doesn't attend school at all. And even at 10-12, I don't think he is old enough to somehow come to the conclusion that school is necessary, not to mention by the time they hit puberty. Nevertheless, our arguments are now being based on personal interpretations of things as we see them in our own countries, in different societies altogether, so we're bound not to agree.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
Why is it reasonable to force a kid to spend 1/6 of his life in a classroom? If the kid still has the choice to do homework and study, which is inevitable. All that can be forced is attendance, attendance alone has no benefits to the child, so why should it be forced? Also, for every kid who doesn't learn from school and would opt out were it not mandatory, taxpayers pay several thousand dollars! Those several thousand dollars are simply wasted.
ICTN218 2 years ago
Th point I'm trying to make is that the government cannot force work, only the individual can. So, if work is what is beneficial to the child, then why should attendance, which alone is just a waste of a massive amount of time, be mandatory? Even if we deem it 'for their own good', it is slavery nevertheless. Would you approve of the government forcing overweight people the exercise, even though forced exercise would be healthy, and forced attendance alone is useless?
ICTN218 2 years ago
We don't agree on the fact that attendance alone is useless, that's what I've been saying for a while but you don't seem to take notice.
Also, we're talking about education for young children, it's a whole different matter than exercise. The way children grow up affects us all, so we have the responsibility to take care of that.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
I acknowledged that they would still learn a little more, just a very mediocre education is not going to be a whole lot better than none. While you think we have the responsibility to take care of how children grow up, does forcing them to go to school, while giving them a choice to learn or not really take care of them? The very essence of compulsory education is slavery, how does the community have the right to enslave children for what they deem to be their own good? Why not let them choose?
ICTN218 2 years ago
I said that because of compulsory attendance and exams they are not given the choice to learn, they have to learn at least to pass. And that IS a whole lot better than none. Education might be slavery because of what is being taught, not because of the teaching itself, but that is a different matter.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
Then explain why so many high schoolers have such a minimal intelligence. They don't need to pass the exams, do they? What consequences will the kid have for not passing exams? The bottom line is, kids can never be forced to learn, just attend and take exams they don't necessarily translate to learning.
ICTN218 2 years ago
The only kids who will opt out of learning are those who will drop out of high school the day they turn 16 and will end up working for minimum wage their whole lives how is the end result any better that that of no compulsion? The only difference is the means the unfortunate end result was achieved, it's either achieved by messing around having fun during childhood, or being forced to sit in a classroom all day, which means is better?
ICTN218 2 years ago
According to your first assertion, while a child who attends school and doesn't work learns more that one who never attends (except in the instance of homeschooling), the small amount that is learned will never get the child a better job, it will never benefit the child in any significant manner. Also, they likely will still learn the basics through their childhood, and if not, will be able to learn them in adulthood.
ICTN218 2 years ago
Again, I don't agree with you. School environment, professional teachers, classmates, all of that have a positive effect on a young child, THAT's why they exist! Almost all kids hate school at first, but most realize later on that it was better for them that they went.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
Then why not let them choose to do something you deem to have a positive effect? Why force them to go to a building because we determine it will have a positive effect? Also, I haven't received a single response to how this form of slavery is justified.
ICTN218 2 years ago
When it comes to children it's not slavery. You don't actually think that a parent that forces his kid to stay home for the night is enslaving his child, do you?
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
Well, perhaps slavery is not the best term. How about imprisonment? The child is forced to be in a room 7 hours a day where (s)he has nothing to do but listen to a teacher, how is that justified? The child still will end working for minimum wage either way, so how is such imprisonment beneficial? And in response to your question, yes, it is imprisonment, and I oppose a parents absolute control over their child in the same way I oppose compulsory school attendance.
ICTN218 2 years ago
Apparently I have to repeat this. There is no point in you continuing your argument and asking questions when I don't agree with your assumptions. I don't agree on so many levels that there's really no use in continuing this, I don't have the energy right now. I wanted to maybe come to a "agree to disagree" conclusion with you but you're having none of it. I will end this here.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
you should read 'dumbing us down' by john taylor gatto.
MeursaultBatemen 2 years ago
Thanks. I was trying to remember this guy's name then I saw your comment. Peace.
Penabiri 2 years ago
I'm completely non-religious so creationism doesn't enter into it, but if I have kids we'll home school 'em. The thing is I wouldn't trust a government to open a tin of cat food without hiring five people, after which at least three will end up with cut fingers, my best kitchen knife will be notched and blunted, half the cat food will be on the floor and most of the rest on the cat.... so why the hell would I entrust the education of my children to the state?
Nice vid by the way.
angryexile 2 years ago
Excellent vid. Today, schools are nothing more than breeding grounds for little corporate drones taught to believe in socialsim / big government intervention, while having an unquestionable respect for gov't appointed 'experts' & their opinions.
luckyvet 2 years ago 2
home schooling = creationism = bad :)
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
Not necessarily. Many who homeschool are far from religious with simple aims to keep government agenda's out of their childrens lives.
(long complicated discussion.)
luckyvet 2 years ago 2
So you're saying that all homeschooling is bad because of the small amount that are creationists? I homeschool and I'm far from a creationist.
ICTN218 2 years ago
It's not all bad, but having any homeschooling allows people to teach children whatever they want, no matter how crazy, creationism being a good example. So, yeah, I think education should be left to experts.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
But it also provides typically a much better education. Also, studies have shown that 95% of all homechoolers are happy they homeschooled, get better grades, and aren't socially behind. So why take all of that away just so they can't teach creationism? Private schools can teach creationism too you know.
ICTN218 2 years ago
I'm not against homeschooling per se, because it can have its advantages, mainly related to the way children are taught and the avoidance of school environment (which may be unacceptable to some). I'm not familiar with the system in the US, but generally I believe there should be a control (yes, by the state) over the curricula of any kind of school, that's what I'm advocating.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
Why even force kids to get an education period? Shouldn't they be able to make that decision themselves?
ICTN218 2 years ago
Not unless you want them to be functioning members of society. It is a threat to my freedom, if you like, to have uneducated, uncivilized people around.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
then your on the wrong message board
johnw456 2 years ago
What in the world makes you think that people don't teach their children whatever they want despite what the child is being taught at school?? It is also that parent's fundamental right to teach their child their beliefs no matter what the rest of us might think!! That kind of thinking is what has led to the genocide of aboriginal/first nations culture.
spickyspan 2 years ago
Of course the parents can teach their children whatever they want AT HOME. But we have to give children a chance to think for themselves and be in contact with other children and maybe even debate with their teacher what they are being thought. If all they know is what they're being told at home, there's no way they can discern what is being fed into them from young age.
tudormocanu87 2 years ago
tudormocanu87=bullshit=bad
johnw456 2 years ago
would somebody let me know the name of the first musical piece?
seventhbrokenstring 2 years ago
The piece is Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi {Fortune, Empress of the World} from Carl Orf's Carmina Burana, first performed in Nazi Germany in 1937. It is a very compelling composition.
plaasjaapie 2 years ago
This video is very good.
I'd like to see some german reformers in as well. E.g. Willhelm Humboldt
libreallemagne 2 years ago
Schools these days are just concentration camps of creativity and independant thought.
74u73hjd 2 years ago 12
@74u73hjd lol independent thought lolololololol thats funny. all americans thought are formed from t.v.....
REAL88E 1 year ago
This is a brilliant video.. I am so glad I am home educated.
SoulxSpectre 2 years ago 4
"The purpose of Compulsory Education is to deprive the common people of their commonsense." -- GK Chesterton
neothomist1275 3 years ago 2
Brilliant!!! Thank you for your time and effort!!
HSL 3 years ago
i am soo thankful that i was born into a time in which home schooling was legal and socially accepted.
Tidnull 3 years ago
Compulsory school wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so limited. What were the words?
Only the most obedient could attain the highest positions?
Yeah, that says it all.
Like the NWO. Objectively, there's really nothing wrong with the notion or the theory. It's been around for centuries. But it can't be run by criminals and slave masters. That's what makes it evil. Not the idea itself.
Any sort of system can work, if it is operated by people who care and nurture.
950horsepower 3 years ago 4
Remember, people who really care and nurture aren't going to force anyone to do anything against their individual rights.
silentthriller 3 years ago 4
Exactly. ..and wouldn't be a legitimate government if they did, because it is contradictory to common law. The system that is born illegitimately can neither give nor take rights away, because they are criminals.
I meant to say that any basic system, communism, democracy, republic, aristocracy, all can be created without the parts that don't work, and that we all hate, by designing it that way. What we have is a mixture. We need only pick out the parts we like and throw the rest back.
950horsepower 3 years ago 2
Great topic. Check my short film 'Kid's Talk'.
Nowhere in the Bible does it tell you to send your children to school.
What doctrine/by whom and to what intent are they being taught/brainwashed?
badboypass 3 years ago
If you're basing you're ideology and opinion on whether or not the bible allows you to do something you are just as if not more brainwashed as the students forced to go to public school by state laws. Think about that my friend.
christiancantarutti 3 years ago 2
Great work! Don't forget to rate ***** ;D
ZionistWorldOrder 3 years ago
I have written "The Ballad of John Taylor Gatto" and the chorus is "ALL CHILDREN ARE INTELLIGENT, ALL CHILDREN ARE BEAUTIFUL, ALL CHILDREN ARE CREATORS, THIS WE KNOW, THIS THEY FEAR!" You can see the video on my channel.
Gatto is absolutely correct in stating that Complusory State Education is by design and attempt to destroy the innate intelligence of children and replace with a faux intelligence that is based upon the psychology of an insecure ego.
Dudewhoroxsox is such an ego,as is GW BUSH!
djlookwood 3 years ago
First of all, I'm a high school student. Coencidentally my class is writing an essay response to John Gatto's article "Against School" (Harper's Magazine 2001). I'll focus only on the Prussian origin here. Fact, the current model for the American school system originates from Prussia. However, at the time the system was adopted Prussia was a nation many other envied. It never aimed to create mindless drones. The thousands that were involved in the US space program are proof.
dudewhoroxsox 3 years ago
space exploration is an utterly vain and pointless pursuit. who cares if you can put a hunk of metal into space. it is more important to learn to be morally good people. all the effort and resources poured into the space programs of the world, while people go hungry and disease ravages parts of society. they have learned to ignore the welfare of their fellow man while greedily grabbing resources to satisfy their curiousity. people are more important than things.
beserker5 3 years ago 8
I agree with beserker5: space exploration is stupid and childish and taken seriously only by people who read magazines and watch TV.
coincidentally*
neothomist1275 3 years ago
I disagree, and to neothomist1275: So you would generally denote science as "childish"?
4K4K1K0 2 years ago
PROUD AUTOMATH AND LIBERTARIAN HERE.
NosdrahcirBocaj 3 years ago
The state education system is corrupt, depersonalising, dehumanizing, anti-individualist, bureaucratic and counter productive, we don't nurture talents and interests of students, we merely indoctrinate them, so they can regurgitate information into pieces of paper, so they can leave school to be brain dead worker drones churned out into the economy, void of individual thought, creativity, ambition and personal self awareness,
I'm all for the Steiner model of education and Swiss voucher system.
NosdrahcirBocaj 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I'm a high school student and speaking on behalf of those I know "brain dead worker drones" is not how I see myself. My friends and I have aspirations. The current school system is a valuable tool to taste a bit of everything and decide what you want to do with your life.
dudewhoroxsox 3 years ago
The master says to the slave "I have many positions to be filled, take your pick".
beserker5 3 years ago
GREAT VIDEO! I'm a proud unschooler myself! I teach myself everything, everything I know I taught myself and I'm taking college courses at the age of 16. Guess what people, school isn't a place to get smarter, it's a place to become closeminded and imprisoned. Thank you so much for this video!!!
SeveraRules 3 years ago 2
I hope for your sake they teach you how to use prefixes.
dudewhoroxsox 3 years ago
Fuck off cunt.
NosdrahcirBocaj 3 years ago
Bravo! Thank you. :)
SecretYoga 3 years ago
hello
does any one know what the painting is at the end of this beautifuuly constructed video? the boy stepping out of the frame?
thanks
malkhutspath 3 years ago
Personally, the government neglects its own fucking education system. They shill out orders and do nothing to ensure their shit is taken in. In a lot of places, what the kids is not in the classroom, it is out in the community. A fellow teacher of mine had his students build a miniature golf course from scratch and they did a good job. It's not totally lost, and I am glad teachers are still afforded such power to pursue learning and not some kind of state objective plan.
opinionhead444 3 years ago 3
I love this song! The way you matched pictures and words to the music really got your point accross. Love it!
-Shruti
edward1draco77 3 years ago
Oh man I hate this stupid music; can't youtubers find something different? What a distraction!! Does not help prove your point.
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keygirl15 3 years ago
compulury education is a road,not the aim
just to start reading and writing yes there are full of brainwashing elements, but what is the role of parents
and the the person him-herself
there is also private schools as well
wilie123 3 years ago
JOHN TAYLOR GATTO EVERYONE
YaaSalaam786 3 years ago
This is fantastic. I'm a sudbury student and love anyone acknowledging the actual history behind public school. It was designed to brainwash, it is the reason Hitler could rise to power, and literacy in America was HIGHER before compulsory education laws were instilled. -sigh- Many school teachers may go into it meaning well, but the road to hell was paved with good intentions.
blatimesthree 3 years ago 4
You people, need to start asking questions to your decisionmakers, what organisations they are swearing oaths to, what the agendas of the organisations are, or your children will be next, NO JOKE!!!!
darthconvader 3 years ago 5
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."
- Mestrius Plutarchus -
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"No man who worships education has got the best out of education... Without a gentle contempt for education no man's education is complete."
- Gilbert K. Chesterton -
swiftysmithuk 3 years ago 3
Awesome work!!!! I am glad you mentioned Cato, Mises institute.
Also, don't forget Milton and Rose Friedman Foundation.
Problem is that not enough people from the grassroots want choice in education.
The typical liberal is like: I don't mind taxes as long as it goes into education or health (nevermind the fact that the govt wastes money like crazy). Public education sucks. But how are we going to displace 3 million teachers off their fat salaries?
AlanCom1 3 years ago
"I'm for taxes as long as they go into destoying childrens minds!!!"
MatthewLeee 3 years ago