within 10 years the congestion will be worse than it is today, the lower mainland sprawl will be like LA, and the regional livability will go down the toilet, noise, air pollution, and the accompanying road carnage. Traffic volumes across the Port Man would drop 20-30% today if they implemented tolls immediately. I think bicycling is the transportation mode of the future and would solve many problems with congestion and general health.
Also check out "Climate Gate" to find out about the manmade global warming scam that it's really not about protecting the environment but about more legislation to make people like Al Gore rich and a move towards a global government through global carbon taxes: watch?v=Ydo2Mwnwpac
eventually these slime pits will have tolls all over the lower mainland going into the coffers of foreign companies when the Gate Way project is finally complete. Also all your personal identification scanned from your plates will be going into foreign data bases as well. Google "Gordon Campbell attends Bilderberg 2010" and you'll begin to see who this guy really works for and it aint us.
Why not install free carpool? 3 or more travel free?
all in all, it's just going to be a money grab, cause they got rid of the coquihalla hwy toll, they figured out installing tolls in busier and pretty much forced to cross locations on top of charging a ridiculous amount, means a bigger income. Do you really think that the guy in Abby, is really gunna wanna travel all the way to the Alex Fraser bridge to save a $10 on tolls? Even if he does, they will charge him gas getting there instead.
Why not install free carpool? 3 or more travel free?
all in all, it's just going to be a money grab, cause they got rid of the coquihalla hwy toll, they figured out installing tolls in busier and pretty much forced to cross locations on top of charging a ridiculous amount, means a bigger income. Do you really think that the guy in Abby, is really gunna wanna travel all the way to the Alex Fraser bridge to save a $10 bucks on tolls? Even if he does, they will charge him gas getting there instead
Why not install free carpool? 3 or more travel free?
all in all, it's just going to be a money grab, cause they got rid of the coquihalla hwy toll, they figured out installing tolls in busier and pretty much forced to cross locations on top of charging a ridiculous amount, means a bigger income. Do you really think that the guy in Abby, is really gunna wanna travel all the way to the Alex Fraser bridge to save a $10 bucks on tolls? Even if he does, they will charge him gas getting there instead
it's only a short time till they figure out tolls on more direct route locations, I mean sure you could take the long way, but if you wanted to take the shortcut, it would cost you 50c to travel on it.
... yeah, these comments have nothing to do with taking the bus, but lets face it, most people would rather drive because they don't want to wait for the bus, sit next to random stinky people on the bus, - transfer - and then do it all over again.
I agree with you. But then, Gordon Campell is the biggest jackass in Canada. And the people of B.C. who elected him are also jackasses! But hey, who said B.C. people had any intelligence? Just wait until the Olympics! If you think this is bad now, just wait.
it's not as simple as just making the bridge, it needs to be able to connect to existing roadways, at locations that would allow the additional traffic flow, ect ect.
It's cute to be green but if you never adapted the roads along with the public transit to match the populations growth what would we have? A road system from the 1920's? This video is from an unrealistic bias point of view and does not reflect the real world. West Enders are not the right people to resolve the Port Mann commute isues.
1) his plan will allow the buses just to cross the bridge, but not to go any further, so what are all those people going to do once they crossed the bridge ? walk to their jobs ?
2) once the bus manage to cross the bridge from Surrey to Coquitlam, what is the way back ?
Falcon is stupid, if they want traffic mangement now, put in the queue jumpers, widen parts of Highway 1, but I saw in the white papers are short merge lanes which is a serious flaw. The HOV lane on the bridge needs to be reversible throughout construction in order to improve traffic flow.
Kevin Falcon has is right! A twinned Port Mann Bridge is desperately needed. The reason a twinned bridge is being built is because the existing bridge can't handle the volume of traffic. Moreover, the increase in traffic is not solely single occupancy vehicles - it includes trucks bringing essential goods to the city and suburbs. With the population increasing, we will need more goods (food, clothing etc.). Ignoring the problem is not a solution. The utopia of a car free society is not reality.
3-4% of Port Mann vehicles are commercial trucks. 73% are single occupancy vehicles. Many of those drivers are commuting to work by car because they have no viable alternative-like an accessible public transit system that's faster, cheaper and more comfortable than driving. Why don't you try thinking for yourself about the kind of future we could be building for ourselves-and our environment-rather than parroting the same tired, erroneous rhetoric from your hero Kevin Falcon.
I don't know about you but I need to use my car for work and sitting in traffic is an enormous waste of time. I have clients I need to see and service vehicles that need to get to customers. I can't put a technician on a bus! That bridge was built in 1963 when Vancouver had a population of 800,000 now the population is 2.4 million. You have this utopian dream of a zero car society...utopia and reality are not the same thing. I am not going to take a bus to go to the grocery store or church!
You clearly have no idea what my vision for the future is-and it's not a "zero car utopia!" You need your car for work. Okay. Many of the 73% of drivers over the Port Mann don't. If they took transit instead that would decongest the road for people like yourself. History shows the way to reduce congestion is NOT to widen roads and bridges. That's never once worked and never will.
I don't care what your vision of the future is. 80% of people south of the Fraser want a twinned Port Mann and 75% of Derek Corrigan's own constituency support the widening and twinning. The last I remember, we live in a democracy. Falcon is aiming for 20% public ridership - but if the population of Vancouver increases by 10% in the next 10 years, there will still be more vehicles on the road. Busses are not the answer...rapid transit (ie: RAV) is if if done in parallel with improved roads
You speak of democracy and yet how many people have been given the choice between a multi-billion dollar public transit investment and Gateway? People are told Gateway is a "done deal" and aren't offered any other choice-so how can you know that 80% of people south of the Fraser want a twinned bridge? Compared to what? And maybe you're not grasping this, but if you want to reduce congestion, twinning the bridge is NOT the way to do it. The principle is called "induced congestion." Google it.
I have a degree in urban planning and in all of my years I have never heard of a strategic transportation plan that ignores roads.
BTW - Kevin Falcon is investing in public transit (the most significant investment ever - more than your beloved NDP!) and roads. You obviously did not vote for the BC Liberals and your knee-jerk reaction is to oppose them at any cost. Just like Corrigan who was in favor of hwy expansion when the NDP were in power but opposes it now that the Liberals are in power.
PS - your tone is extremely insulting. I am debating your argument with reason and thought and you resort to ad hominum attacks. Debate my points - do NOT attack me as a human being.
I'm astonished to hear you have a degree in urban planning yet have never heard of induced congestion-and that you support PM2. What did they teach you in your "urban planning" program?! Falcon's recent investment of our tax dollars in public transit contains virtually no funding for South of the Fraser-the area in question. Over the past 50 years we've subsidized car-based infrastructure approx. 10 times as much as public transit. This is why we find ourselves in our current predicament.
We've given car-based urban sprawl ample chances-to the detriment of our environment and society. Now we no longer have the resources to continue expanding this way of life. It's time we move past token investments in public transit and make that our central focus with new infrastructure. We're the last people in the world to grasp that. I'm Sorry I hurt your feelings :( Specifically how do you feel I attacked you as a human being? I just fundamentally disagree with your stated opinions.
Kevin Falcon makes me gag, with his smug attitude and unending misrepresentation of facts. Thanks to him and other Libs, it's become common knowledge that you couldn't possibly put a bus on the Port Mann. Thanks for revealing the truth.
within 10 years the congestion will be worse than it is today, the lower mainland sprawl will be like LA, and the regional livability will go down the toilet, noise, air pollution, and the accompanying road carnage. Traffic volumes across the Port Man would drop 20-30% today if they implemented tolls immediately. I think bicycling is the transportation mode of the future and would solve many problems with congestion and general health.
Gromitdog1 1 year ago
Also check out "Climate Gate" to find out about the manmade global warming scam that it's really not about protecting the environment but about more legislation to make people like Al Gore rich and a move towards a global government through global carbon taxes: watch?v=Ydo2Mwnwpac
Probesoul 1 year ago
eventually these slime pits will have tolls all over the lower mainland going into the coffers of foreign companies when the Gate Way project is finally complete. Also all your personal identification scanned from your plates will be going into foreign data bases as well. Google "Gordon Campbell attends Bilderberg 2010" and you'll begin to see who this guy really works for and it aint us.
Probesoul 1 year ago
Why not install free carpool? 3 or more travel free?
all in all, it's just going to be a money grab, cause they got rid of the coquihalla hwy toll, they figured out installing tolls in busier and pretty much forced to cross locations on top of charging a ridiculous amount, means a bigger income. Do you really think that the guy in Abby, is really gunna wanna travel all the way to the Alex Fraser bridge to save a $10 on tolls? Even if he does, they will charge him gas getting there instead.
JASMann19 1 year ago
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Why not install free carpool? 3 or more travel free?
all in all, it's just going to be a money grab, cause they got rid of the coquihalla hwy toll, they figured out installing tolls in busier and pretty much forced to cross locations on top of charging a ridiculous amount, means a bigger income. Do you really think that the guy in Abby, is really gunna wanna travel all the way to the Alex Fraser bridge to save a $10 bucks on tolls? Even if he does, they will charge him gas getting there instead
JASMann19 1 year ago
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Why not install free carpool? 3 or more travel free?
all in all, it's just going to be a money grab, cause they got rid of the coquihalla hwy toll, they figured out installing tolls in busier and pretty much forced to cross locations on top of charging a ridiculous amount, means a bigger income. Do you really think that the guy in Abby, is really gunna wanna travel all the way to the Alex Fraser bridge to save a $10 bucks on tolls? Even if he does, they will charge him gas getting there instead
JASMann19 1 year ago
it's only a short time till they figure out tolls on more direct route locations, I mean sure you could take the long way, but if you wanted to take the shortcut, it would cost you 50c to travel on it.
... yeah, these comments have nothing to do with taking the bus, but lets face it, most people would rather drive because they don't want to wait for the bus, sit next to random stinky people on the bus, - transfer - and then do it all over again.
...if the bus even went where you wanted to go.
JASMann19 1 year ago
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JASMann19 1 year ago
Why don't they just build a separate bridge elsewhere to divert traffic?
Twinning the bridge still doesn't solve the bottleneck before and after the bridge.
bananian 2 years ago
I agree with you. But then, Gordon Campell is the biggest jackass in Canada. And the people of B.C. who elected him are also jackasses! But hey, who said B.C. people had any intelligence? Just wait until the Olympics! If you think this is bad now, just wait.
tagete4ever 2 years ago
@bananian name a location.
JASMann19 1 year ago
@JASMann19
anywhere between Patullo and Port Mann? Anywhere between Alex Fraser and Patullo? Anywhere between Port Mann and Golden Ear?
bananian 1 year ago
@bananian
it's not as simple as just making the bridge, it needs to be able to connect to existing roadways, at locations that would allow the additional traffic flow, ect ect.
JASMann19 1 year ago
It's cute to be green but if you never adapted the roads along with the public transit to match the populations growth what would we have? A road system from the 1920's? This video is from an unrealistic bias point of view and does not reflect the real world. West Enders are not the right people to resolve the Port Mann commute isues.
BIGgixer1000 3 years ago
Eric is stupid:
1) his plan will allow the buses just to cross the bridge, but not to go any further, so what are all those people going to do once they crossed the bridge ? walk to their jobs ?
2) once the bus manage to cross the bridge from Surrey to Coquitlam, what is the way back ?
iotache 3 years ago
Falcon is stupid, if they want traffic mangement now, put in the queue jumpers, widen parts of Highway 1, but I saw in the white papers are short merge lanes which is a serious flaw. The HOV lane on the bridge needs to be reversible throughout construction in order to improve traffic flow.
mugshotesp 3 years ago
Kevin Falcon has is right! A twinned Port Mann Bridge is desperately needed. The reason a twinned bridge is being built is because the existing bridge can't handle the volume of traffic. Moreover, the increase in traffic is not solely single occupancy vehicles - it includes trucks bringing essential goods to the city and suburbs. With the population increasing, we will need more goods (food, clothing etc.). Ignoring the problem is not a solution. The utopia of a car free society is not reality.
grrroovy 4 years ago
3-4% of Port Mann vehicles are commercial trucks. 73% are single occupancy vehicles. Many of those drivers are commuting to work by car because they have no viable alternative-like an accessible public transit system that's faster, cheaper and more comfortable than driving. Why don't you try thinking for yourself about the kind of future we could be building for ourselves-and our environment-rather than parroting the same tired, erroneous rhetoric from your hero Kevin Falcon.
damiengillis 4 years ago
I don't know about you but I need to use my car for work and sitting in traffic is an enormous waste of time. I have clients I need to see and service vehicles that need to get to customers. I can't put a technician on a bus! That bridge was built in 1963 when Vancouver had a population of 800,000 now the population is 2.4 million. You have this utopian dream of a zero car society...utopia and reality are not the same thing. I am not going to take a bus to go to the grocery store or church!
grrroovy 4 years ago
You clearly have no idea what my vision for the future is-and it's not a "zero car utopia!" You need your car for work. Okay. Many of the 73% of drivers over the Port Mann don't. If they took transit instead that would decongest the road for people like yourself. History shows the way to reduce congestion is NOT to widen roads and bridges. That's never once worked and never will.
damiengillis 4 years ago
I don't care what your vision of the future is. 80% of people south of the Fraser want a twinned Port Mann and 75% of Derek Corrigan's own constituency support the widening and twinning. The last I remember, we live in a democracy. Falcon is aiming for 20% public ridership - but if the population of Vancouver increases by 10% in the next 10 years, there will still be more vehicles on the road. Busses are not the answer...rapid transit (ie: RAV) is if if done in parallel with improved roads
grrroovy 4 years ago
You speak of democracy and yet how many people have been given the choice between a multi-billion dollar public transit investment and Gateway? People are told Gateway is a "done deal" and aren't offered any other choice-so how can you know that 80% of people south of the Fraser want a twinned bridge? Compared to what? And maybe you're not grasping this, but if you want to reduce congestion, twinning the bridge is NOT the way to do it. The principle is called "induced congestion." Google it.
damiengillis 4 years ago
I have a degree in urban planning and in all of my years I have never heard of a strategic transportation plan that ignores roads.
BTW - Kevin Falcon is investing in public transit (the most significant investment ever - more than your beloved NDP!) and roads. You obviously did not vote for the BC Liberals and your knee-jerk reaction is to oppose them at any cost. Just like Corrigan who was in favor of hwy expansion when the NDP were in power but opposes it now that the Liberals are in power.
grrroovy 4 years ago
PS - your tone is extremely insulting. I am debating your argument with reason and thought and you resort to ad hominum attacks. Debate my points - do NOT attack me as a human being.
grrroovy 4 years ago
I'm astonished to hear you have a degree in urban planning yet have never heard of induced congestion-and that you support PM2. What did they teach you in your "urban planning" program?! Falcon's recent investment of our tax dollars in public transit contains virtually no funding for South of the Fraser-the area in question. Over the past 50 years we've subsidized car-based infrastructure approx. 10 times as much as public transit. This is why we find ourselves in our current predicament.
damiengillis 4 years ago
We've given car-based urban sprawl ample chances-to the detriment of our environment and society. Now we no longer have the resources to continue expanding this way of life. It's time we move past token investments in public transit and make that our central focus with new infrastructure. We're the last people in the world to grasp that. I'm Sorry I hurt your feelings :( Specifically how do you feel I attacked you as a human being? I just fundamentally disagree with your stated opinions.
damiengillis 4 years ago
Kevin Falcon makes me gag, with his smug attitude and unending misrepresentation of facts. Thanks to him and other Libs, it's become common knowledge that you couldn't possibly put a bus on the Port Mann. Thanks for revealing the truth.
adamjuice 4 years ago
Keep up the good fight.
calvinjones 4 years ago
Great video!
mpeel500 4 years ago
Outstanding documentary, Damien!
gwasny 4 years ago
You rock!
daniel1206 4 years ago
Excellent !!!
cmmonkey 4 years ago