These famous converts are total suckers. Under Haraam (Arabic: حَرَام) (often haram) their music is banned. If sharai becomes law, all these famous people will be out of a job because their music and acting is forbidden in Islam. Fools!
@gummybear422 Im not sure who told you that, but i suggest you don't listen to them anymore. Spitituality is not a belief system, It is the opposite of a belief system, don't believe, stop thinking, silence your mind and realise who you are at the deepest level, is what spirituality is about. There is truth in it because you can experience it for yourself, you can't believe it ;), believing is when your mind is rambling in your head. giving yourself a false sense of " I know".
@MrMusicobsession mmm....i'm sorry but i'm not interested in "spirituality." "realize who i am at the deepest level...." ok good luck with that, let me know when you "know" that you have realized who you are at the deepest level. whatever that means....but oh right, you don't believe in knowing because belief is just giving yourself a false sense of i know. it's all clear now, thanks for your lesson in spirituality.
moral of the story, i'll have whatever drugs you're having.
"Just stay true to your thang. " Ha... I totally agree with the statement from "lotamishtimeye" about how some people talk in an in-articulated way, because why would they want to dumb themselves down by mimicking highbrow intellectuals just to fit in with a group. The highbrow group could be smarter and more articulate, but I think "lotamishtimeye" was right by saying it is smarter to just talk in way that feels right to her, even if it isn't very articulate.
I agree with her view that everyone has a right to their own beliefs, but I just wonder why she is talking like that. I know she must have a bigger vocabulary than that. It makes people question the intelligence of (and some people lose respect for) individuals who talk in such an in-articulated way. Just to try to look cool and appeal to some group, she's dumbing herself down? "It breaks my heart to see her selling herself short."
"Just stay true to your thang. " Ha... I totally agree with the statement from "lotamishtimeye" about how some people talk in an in-articulated way, because why would they want to dumb themselves down by mimicking highbrow intellectuals just to fit in with a group. The highbrow group could be smarter and more articulate, but I think "lotamishtimeye" was right by saying it is smarter to just talk in way that feels right to her, even if it isn't very articulate.
@lotamishtimeye Maybe it's because she doesn't really have a "spiritual" side. Many people associate that with the supernatural and/or deities, she might not believe in that. But that's fine because most non-believers have humanistic morals.
You see, junkpast; you cannot 'earn' God's pardon, or favor. The GIFT of God is eternal life' and not of our own works, lest we become boastful and exclaim, 'Look what I did, how wonderful I am,etc' so how good is THAT? !
@sparwood8 And that is a fundamental disagreement. I think our works are worth boasting about. We (humanity) have created so much. Watch a video called "What would Jesus Not do" by Nonstampcollector. It has some great Bible quotes in there as well. While you're at it, watch several of his videos, and then move onto Thunderfoot's videos, such as the "Why do people laugh at creationists." But if books are more your style, pick up a biology, chemistry, physics, and geology text book.
@widepass religion is nothing more then a tool in the hands of the week, the ignorant and or the cunning and manipulative. Calling religion the cause of all evil is like calling a gun used in a homicide a murderer. Ignorance = case of all evil may be a better way to look at it, if people weren't such sheep and actually thought for themselves instead of putting there faith in religion, religion wouldn't even exist and the manipulative powers that be would have one less tool to control the masses.
@sparwood8 those words are my own but im sure the sentiment is shared with some of the names you've listed. My turn, did you pull the handle sparwood from sparwood B.C.
She's smart enough to realize that all religions are an effort to reach God, and are really the same thing but from different perspectives. If you took a baby in Iraq out of its cradle and raised it in Kentucky as a Christian, it would be a Christian. Same thing the other way around. People believe what they're taught until and if they learn to think for themselves, and then hopefully they realize that we're all in this together.
@Darusdei Christianity is often and experiential kind of religion. If you ever experience it your definition would likely be different from others. :)
@Darusdei Loonies. Right. Now tell us your definition of 'Christianity.' To re-phrase: What do you think God requires of you, that you would enter heaven? Seriously now
@Darusdei Who beat that into your head? A rap singer? A teacher? Your parents? There is a heaven, and you can spend eternity there. There is a hell and you can spend eternity there. Jesus came that you might have life abundantly. Choose life over death. Choose light over darkness. Choose this day whom you will serve. Believe God's son, the Lord Jesus Christ; manifested in the flesh to take away all your sin. Believe on him and ye shall live. Refuse to believe and you are condemned
@Darusdei When your fear comes apon you like a whirl wind; God will mock YOU, and will laugh at YOUR calamity. Repent while there is time. tomorrow you could be dead
@sparwood8 Im cerious if the "God who will mock you and will laugh at your calamity" is the same God who "sent his only begotten to die on a cross so that we may find his forgiveness". The same God who is called love. You're the one who should be begging forgiveness from the Creator, begging forgiveness for misrepresenting him. Do yourself and your "God" a favor and keep your mouth shut next time, pharasie!!!!
@sparwood8 I think it's funny when fundy xtians try and tell us how to save ourselves and meet Jesus. I mean, really. Fundy's talk like they've personally seen him, but he's been dead for about 2000 years. It's like Elvis meets Santa Clause. I agree with you that you need to choose sides. However, I think you propose false choices. I choose to serve humanity for now and forever. That means contributing as much as I can in this life through human progress, not just personal "salvation."
@junkpast He lives inside of us who know him. By faith and he often makes his presence felt. Christianity is being submitted to God so he lives his life in and through you, by the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit. Consider the cost.... if you are WRONG
@sparwood8 Yea I agree with sparwood, you should live your entire life in supplication to an imaginary all powerful creature that no one can prove..... the consequences of not doing so may mean burning for eternity in an imaginary lake of imaginary fire.
@sparwood8 What if I'm wrong about the existence of an all powerful, all knowing God? Here's the thing. I base my morality off of philosophical idealisms that are meant to serve the continuance of humanity and serve the betterment of humanity. If God damned me for eternity for not following one of his questionably translated holy books, then he's not a very benevolent God. I don't buy the idea that God and His "appointed leaders" get a monopoly on what is right and wrong. It's all very demented.
@junkpast jesus said, "Whosoever drinks of the water that I give, shall never thirst." and all I can do is tell you where the water is and how to get it. I cannot win an arguement no mater what I put forth. I think it was Will Rogers who said, 'A man cnvinced against his will, is of the same opinion still" and he is right. Arguing is pointless and one only needs to cruise through U Tube to see evidence of this. Nobody ever wins
@sparwood8 and again, my initial question to you is, "What if YOU are wrong?" If you are, you will stand in front of God on judgement day, and be cast into hell. Harsh, but that's what the Bible says, and it is either God's inspired word, or just made up. So what if you got it all wrong?
@sparwood8 If I got it all wrong and Xtianity was right, then I would stand in front of God and account for my sins. I would stand there, proud for the life I lived, knowing that I did the best with what I was given. If He is all powerful, and knew everything that I know, and still thought I needed to be cast into eternal damnation, than He is not perfect. He is immoral, evil, wicked, and certainly not worth my worship. I would judge the same of the majority, if not entirety of all people.
@junkpast PRIDE is the reason you will be hearing, "Depart from me, I never knew you" (U really don't want to ever hear those words b/c they are final) and it is written that all your good deeds and righteousness is like filthy rags. Mine too. It is the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all unrighteousness. His blood was innocent, and holy, therefore he could take the rap for the sin of the whole human race. Whosoever believeth on him has everlasting life. Whosoever refuses is condemned
@sparwood8 And it will only cost you 10% of your income to the church of your choice, so dig in those pockets and give give give!!! If Jesus's life was so perfect, why did they only his birth, and a short period before his death. Where's the rest of his life? Was it so insignificant? Having faith in Christianity as required in the Bible requires one to disbelieve a large portion of modern science. For example, no evidence of world flooding. Young earth is absolutely disproved by geology.
@junkpast No proof of world flooding? The how do you explain that from the driest deserts to the top of mt. Everest, there are seashells? Its not just the Christians and Jews that say a flood happened. Over 500 Flood legends from all parts of the world have been found. Now, you might say movement of the tetonic plates, therefore it was at one time not a mt. at all (which is true), but there are seashells all over the world meaning that all the land at one time or another WAS in fact underwater.
@junkpast And how do you explain the fossilized footprints on top of mt. Everest? The movement of the plates happened millions of years ago, but humankind did NOT exist at the time of the formation of Mt. Everest. And how do you explain the rock strata of Mt. St. Helen? Geologists have concluded that this anomaly is best interpreted as having been laid down rapidly in a massive catastrophe such as the Global flood of Noah.
@junkpast Although there are some discrepancies within the bible whereas science has discredited some parts, science cannot and does NOT completely discredit the Bible. In fact, science often in fact adds additional evidence that many incidences within the bible did in fact occur and are true.
@junkpast 80% of the Earth's crust is covered by sedimentary rock. Layered rock strata have formed as suspended sediments settled out of moving water. A global flood is the most reasonable explanation for the means by which sedimentary layers came to cover so much of the continents.
@junkpast So, you say there is no proof of flooding, but there in fact is sufficient scientific evidence to show there there was in fact a flood. Discrepancies are just upon the severity of the flood: world-wide or localized. That is why there is a branch of geology called "flood geology".
@junkpast And if that is not enough for you, I will quote some parts from the Quran:
"We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them…" (Qur'an, 21:31) and “Have We not made the earth an expanse and the mountains stakes?” (Qur’an, 78:6-7)
Stakes ( awtaad ), which are driven into the ground like those used to anchor a tent, are the deep foundations of geological folds. These verses state that mountains perform the function of preventing shocks in the Earth.
This fact was not known by anyone at the time the Qur'an was revealed. It was, in fact, brought to light only recently, as a result of the findings of modern geological research. Formerly, it was thought that mountains were merely protrusions rising above the surface of the Earth. However, scientists realized that this was not actually the case, and that those parts known as the mountain root extended down as far as 10-15 times their own height.
With these features, mountains play a similar role to a nail or peg firmly holding down a tent. For example, Mount Everest, the summit of which stands approximately 9 km above the surface of the Earth, has a root deeper than 125 km.24
Because of the physical force called "surface tension," the waters of neighboring seas do not mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin wall were between them.
"Or [the unbelievers' state] are like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those Allah gives no light to, they have no light." (Qur'an, 24:40)
In deep seas and oceans, the darkness is found at a depth of 200 meters and deeper. At this depth, there is almost no light, and below a depth of 1,000 meters there is no light at all.
Today, we know about the general formation of the sea, the characteristics of the living things in it, its salinity, as well as the amount of water it contains, and its surface area and depth. Submarines and special equipment, developed with modern technology, have enabled scientists to obtain such information.
Human beings are not able to dive to a depth of more than 70 meters without the aid of special equipment
and cannot survive unaided in the dark depths of the oceans, such as at a depth of 200 meters. For these reasons, scientists have only recently been able to discover detailed information about the seas. However, that the depth of the sea is dark was revealed in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago. It is certainly one of the miracles of the Qur'an that such information was given at a time where no equipment to enable man to dive into the depths of the oceans was available.
In addition, the statement in Surat an-Nur 40 "…like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds…" draws our attention to another miracle of the Qur'an.
Scientists have only recently discovered that there are sub-surface waves, which "occur on density interfaces between layers of different densities." These internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because deep water has a higher density than the water above it.
Internal waves act like surface waves. They can break, just like surface waves. Internal waves cannot be discerned by the human eye, but they can be detected by studying temperature or salinity changes at a given location.
In another verse, the following information is given about the formation of rainclouds:
"Have you not seen how Allah drives along the clouds, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it? And He sends down from the sky mountain masses [of clouds] with cold hail in them, striking with it anyone He wills and averting it from anyone He wills. The brightness of His lightning almost blinds the sight." (Qur'an, 24:43)
Scientists studying cloud types came across surprising results with regards to the formation of rain clouds. Rain clouds are formed and shaped according to definite systems and stages. The stages of formation of one kind of rain cloud, cumulonimbus, are these:
1. STAGE, Being driven along: Clouds are carried along, that is, they are driven along, by the wind. The statements in the Qur'an run parallel precisely the above explanation.
2. STAGE, Joining: Then, small clouds (cumulonimbus clouds) driven along by the wind join together, forming a larger cloud.
3. STAGE, Stacking: When the small clouds join together, updrafts within the larger cloud increase. The updrafts near the center of the cloud are stronger than those near the edges.
These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically, so the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc.
We must remember that meteorologists have only recently come to know these details about cloud formation, structure & function, by using advanced equipment like planes, satellites, computers etc. It is evident that Allah has provided us information that could not have been known 1,400 years ago. Certainly, this fact, which scientists has discovered very recently, shows once again that the Qur'an is the word of God. There are over 99 occurrences described in the Quran which science has coincided.
I have showed you only a handful.There are many more such as the formation of rock stratum, the magnetic poles, earth's rotation, formation of an embryo inside a mother's womb, etc. In the Quran,the great flood of Noah (Nuh) is mentioned, although it differs from Christian belief as it states that the flood only affected Noah's people & therefore was more localized whereas in Christian belief the flood was global - but Christianity,Judaism,Islam & science all agree that there WAS a great flood.
In the Quran, it is stated many times over to read (and to respect the Prophets of) the books of the Torat (Torah), Injeel (Gospel / Christian Bible), and Zabur (the book of Psalms), because "wherein there are some words of good". So from this phrase in the Quran, I do believe that parts of the Christian Bible are true.
Islam believes in the Prophets and Messengers (in no particular order): Adam (And his Wife, Eve (Hawa)), Idris (Enoch), Nuh (Noah), Hud, Saleh, Ibrahim (Abraham), Lut (Lot), Ishma'il (Ishmael), Is'haq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob) Yusuf (Joseph), Ayyub (Job), Shu'ayb (Jethro), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Dawud (David), Sulayman (Solomon), Ilyas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yunus (Jonah), Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel), (Cont'd to next post)
(Cont'd from prev.) Zakariyya (Zechariah), Yahya (John the Baptist), Isa (Jesus), and Mohammed (Mamud/ Ahmed/ Hamid/ Mahdi) Peace and Blessings be upon them all. Islam also believes in Habil (Abe) and Qabil (Cain). Jesus is mentioned more times in the Quran than is Mohammed himself. There is even a full chapter devoted to Mary, Mother of Jesus, (Maryam).
@lotamishtimeye Bible says the same kinda things. Ain't no miracles. Just that the folks smart and educated enough to write Bibles and Korans knew rain came out of clouds and saw how the clouds moved.
@lotamishtimeye "This property of the seas, that is, that they meet and yet do not intermix, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers."
@lotamishtimeye Mountains as stakes that prevent shocks in the Earth?! This shows definitively that the Qur'an is a terrible source of knowledge. Mountains tend to be in regions with THE MOST tectonic activity, not the least, and mountains move just as all continents do atop a flow of liquid rock. This is the very foundation of tectonics used to explain the very formation of mountains, volcanoes, and many of the other geologic formations we observe.
@lotamishtimeye A single sedimentary layer would make sense for a single global flood, but by your logic, the world would have had to have multiple world floods. Sedimentary rock is formed by the layering of sediments on top of one another. The composition of each layer tells us something about what was happening at that time and place, which is why it is so useful. It doesn't point to a world wide flood at all.
@lotamishtimeye Mt. St. Helen being sited as proof of Noah by Geologists?! Give me an article from a reputable scientific journal, or even a science text book.
Not conceding that there was a flood, even if there had been, even if the Bible turned out to be fairly close to historical events, it wouldn't prove the existence of God, that Jesus is mankind's "Lord and Savior," or lend credence to the "Gospel." It would only show that early historians could record events.
@lotamishtimeye You defeated your own argument here. Plate tectonics accounts for seashells on mountains. I sincerely doubt that it has been proven that every part of the world has been completely submerged by water, though tectonics and geology show that many parts of now dry land had once been under bodies of water such as lakes or seas. However, to prove a world flood, one would only need to date through isotopes sea life all over the world in a single layer of strata.
If the worst thing I can hear is that an all knowing God says "Depart from me, I never knew you," then I'm not too worried. He must not be all knowing, which calls into question many others things about what he must not be. I suffice it to just say, he must not be.
@junkpast The reason God would say "dapart from me, i do not know you", is becuase we(mankind) took no time, for allowing our selves to know God and Him to know us through prayer and ways of living to His standards. Once we begin to surrender to the will of God, by living toward His commands we can than know more about Him and have God know about us as we speak with Him in prayer and study His teachings(the bible). Sorry not trying to preach at you my friend..just trying help u understand :)
@isralite98 That's just the thing. I took plenty of time. I know people will judge me and say that an entire lifetime spent seeking God is a lifetime well spent, but I think at some point you have to scratch your head, and come to the simple conclusion, "Maybe all these people have just talked themselves into believing something that's really not there." And that is simplicity of the Christian turned atheist. For me, science and philosophy not only filled in the gaps, but replaced the bible.
There are many anomalies that even science can't explain,there are many things that happen that are NOT "scientifically possible",& there are many parts of the Quran,Bible, & Torah that science supports.There is such a thing as having a healthy balance of scientific knowledge, humanitarian morals, & religious faith. In the Quran,it says to go out to seek knowledge & God's bounty for yourself. It tells you to think for yourself. So, use what is useful & makes sense & throw out what feels wrong.
Change that what you can, accept that which you cannot change, and seek further knowledge for that which you know not. Keep your mind, eyes, ears, 'heart', soul and arms 'open' and learn to accept each others differences. Help others when you can & don't be afraid to ask for help when you need it. Do no harm unto others & treat each other and everything with respect and dignity. Have faith but also educate yourself. Keep family close. And most importantly, love greatly and non-discriminate-ly.
@lotamishtimeye Science doesn't claim to have an answer for everything. It doesn't claim much of anything. It's only a method. The results of science stand only on the merit that they accurately predict behavior of the universe. This is actually the strength of science. It doesn't require faith. If you have any doubts, all you have to do is test what is asked. The problem with the supposed holy books is that they dogmatically assert their truth, with no way to test it.
@junkpast "For me, science and philosophy not only filled in the gaps, but replaced the bible." This is a direct quote from you. You completely contradict yourself. By your own words, you claim that science does have an answer to everything but now you're admitting that it doesn't. BTW, even scientifically, you cannot test everything. Science does NOT always accurately predict the behavior of the universe; there are many scientific anomalies.
@junkpast Many things happen that are scientifically impossible. And you cannot conduct a proper test of anything that is "scientifically impossible". And that is what a miracle is- something that is unexplainable and scientifically / naturally impossible yet it exists / happens.
@junkpast For me, the more I study the sciences (biology,microbiology, chemistry, anatomy, physiology, psychology, kinetics, etc.), the more re-enforced my belief becomes that there IS (and MUST BE) a God/ creator. God- the greatest scientist and mathematician of all time.
@lotamishtimeye I said that science AND PHILOSOPHY filled in the gaps, not just science. Science doesn't answer everything, and it's true that our understanding of the universe through science doesn't account for everything, but the solution is better science, not explaining away the unknown with God. Using God as an explanation for things is a lost opportunity for really understanding the nature behind how things work. Most importantly, no answer is better than a fabricated non-answer.
How does science back up the belief of God? What evidence does science show for a creator of the universe? Of Earth? Of even life on Earth? What value does a deist religion bring to academia? I fail to understand how you got to your conclusion.
@junkpast What evidence does science show that there isn't? There ISN'T ANY scientific proof that there ISN'T a God. The reason you can't understand is that your mind is closed. And I said "for me..." that statement does NOT include you. It doesn't have to make any sense to you and it never will because you are NOT a person of faith. When I look through a high-powered microscope at the complexities of human cells and when I study the minute datails of the human genome- how fascinating it is!-
it literally is a miracle how a human comes to life, how we are formed, everything starting from the smallest forms of life and all of the challenges an organism must overcome; and 4 words- the double helix bond (you know, DNA, RNA, mRNA, rRNA, tRNA, and all of the chemicals and combinations that it takes just to form that, everything down to the atom and working its' way up, etc.) Do you have any idea what hurdles we must overcome just to come to life?
@lotamishtimeye Life is amazing, awe inspiring, but not a miracle. By your very description, there is a natural process by which it all happens. There is no need for divine intervention to explain how life happens. Although there are gaps in many areas of understanding, humanity knows now more than it ever did about life, not through prayer, faith, any holy book, or meditation, but through concerted efforts of thoughtful and methodical research.
And we humans are the most intelligent creatures on this earth and all of our accomplishments- all of the things we have made and are capable of making and yet we did NOT do this- Do you seriously belive that there was nothing and then suddenly POOF! some single-celled micro-organism just appeared out of nothingness in a puddle of muck and reproduced itself and evolved until it became thousands and thousands of many different life forms including the modern day human- from nothing?
@lotamishtimeye There are many hypotheses about abiogenesis, and some have been tested in the laboratory, others look for how it could have traveled here from somewhere else. That area of science is working hard at finding evidence, and it is making progress. To answer your question: yes. I think it is a logical assertion to believe that life somehow started from very simple reproducing chemicals that continued to reproduce as long as they had sufficient fuel and energy.
Perhaps you do. But all that I was saying is that me having faith (which I did to begin with whereas you apparently did but because things didn't work out for you the way you wanted, you rejected the idea of a higher power than you and lost all faith) and then looking at this only STRENGTHENS my faith, not diminishes it as it apparently did for you.
@lotamishtimeye This is a typical ad hominem attack, distracting from the merits of humanism vs religion, but let me address it anyway. I have always lacked faith in religion, because it never made sense. I understood what people were telling me, and I understand the religion I was raised in, but I never felt it was true (or any other religion), and still don't. I was raised in faith, but the faith I had was in my leaders, in my parents, in my friends that they knew the truth, and I would, too.
And as I said before, these sciences only came to light recently but hundreds and hundreds of years ago were mentioned in the Quran, whereas making science a complimentary source to strengthening my faith. And "science AND PHILOSOPHY" still don't explain or have the answers for anything. The science of psychology and many other scientifical theories stem from philosophy. I come to my conclusions from MANY different sources, not just one or two.
@lotamishtimeye If any holy book really had advanced knowledge of science, how is it that no one could use it to do anything? How is it that these holy books couldn't provide anyone with anything useful such as penicillin, math, physics, chemistry, biology (to the Bible's credit, it talks about grafting, but that's the only science in the whole book worth mentioning), or tell us about plate tectonics, the nitrogen, carbon, and water cycles, etc? Science has given answers in abundance.
And further more, many historical PHILOSOPHERS were also men of religion. They combined human perspective and intellect and observations (and common sense) with their faith and came out their own philosophies. Common sense- just because you can't see, feel, hear or sense it, doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist. You learn that by the time you're 5.
@lotamishtimeye It is true that many philosophers have been religious. Scientists, too. Isaac Newton was well known to dabble in alchemy, the occult, and was a strong Christian. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what he believed. He created Calculus, classical physics, elucidated optics, and brought a much deeper understanding of our universe to humanity. Ultimately, the fact that philosophers, scientists, etc. were religious (and many still are) doesn't matter. Only their discoveries matter.
@sparwood8 "Drink of the water that I give... shall never thirst." If His water is a metaphor for knowledge, then I drank. I drank heavily from Christianity, but it didn't answer my questions. What is Heaven like? What is God like? Where did he come from? Why did he create us? Why did he build imperfection into us, then use it judge us as sinful abominations? Why does God need a blood sacrifice? Why not just forgive like people do? Why is it that He can't be seen? The answers were/are too hollow
@junkpast I can answer all those, but I won't. Get a bible and read it for yourself. All the answers you seek are there. Suggest Romans Ch 1 to 8 and also ch 12. ONE John, and John ch 1 to 3. HINT: Ask God to reveal truth to you before you read the Bible. Ask him to speak to your heart, and he will; through his word.
@sparwood8 Ask God for knowledge. Been there, done that. After years of doing the prescribed actions of gaining faith, I finally had the epiphany that maybe all these people just use their faith to "humbly" assert their faith as a point of pride. Just maybe, we can learn to forgive each other without the old traditions of scape goating, which is what the Jesus story breaks down to. The idea of someone else paying for your wrong doing is absurd and immoral.
@sparwood8 The Bible IS NOT A COOKBOOK. Cook books deliver results every time they're followed. The Bible doesn't. You might feel like you have answers. You might feel good about what you believe, but you can't show me how the Bible will enrich my life, because I've tried the very things you've mentioned and THEY DON'T WORK! At least they don't for me. And don't say it's because I'm unworthy, or prayed wrong, or any other BS subjective judgment.
@junkpast 'Water' is referred to as 'Living Water' meaning the abundant life. He even says, 'I am come that they might have life, and have it abundantly' water does not mean knowledge why not forgive like people do? People DON'T forgive... and God's forgiveness is yours right here and now. For all eternity
@sparwood8 I would contend that most people forgive most of the time. For most, earning forgiveness is as simple as being apologetic, doing what they can to fix any damage done by their offense, and changing their behavior to avoid making the same offense again.
As for water's of life, I see that I was mistaken in interpretation. It doesn't change the main point that the Bible is not a source for knowledge about the universe.
@lotamishtimeye Did science answer all my religious questions? It did much better. It freed me from Hell, Heaven, and all other mysticism. It showed me that I was asking the wrong questions. It showed me that humanity's adult make believe, which is religion, is a distraction from making real progress. When you don't have to justify how a man can survive in a whale, or how all the world's life can squeeze into a boat and survive a world flood, then it becomes much easier to be coherent.
@sparwood8 What if there was no heaven? What if there was no salvation? What if God just asked you to do good for goodness sake because he asked of it, but offered nothing in return. Would you still do right by your brothers and sisters in the flesh? Would you live as moral a life as possible, even if your soul is damned to non existence? Open your mind and heart to the possibility that you are wrong. It is open mindedness and dedication to truth that led me away from Christianity.
@sparwood8 Interesting choice of words. "I'd probably live like most other unbelievers. I am just human. Read my reply to junkpast." BTW, I AM junkpast. Kind of a fail there, but I'll forgive you because it's the "Christian" thing to do. Lol. But seriously, what do you think unbelievers live like?
@Darusdei There are many different sects of Christianity. Each sect has their own different views, just as each individual has their own views and everyone has a right to their own view. Just because they differ from each other or differ from you is not cause for disrespect. I really wish people would treat each other with respect and especially have respect for others' religions. (post 1)
(post 1 cont'd) It is not in mankind's place to judge another. To judge is transgressing limits as it is solely God's Holy right to judge. We are not God, not even close. We are mere humans and we ALL (even the best-hearted of us) make mistakes, so who is one human to say that another human is wrong or right? We know not. We all lack knowledge. We are all imperfect. (post 2)
(post 2 con'td) The main set in Christianity is to believe in Jesus and God, to worship God and to do good to humankind and to abstain from that which is evil or wrong (killing other humans, cheating, raping, undue violence, stealing, etc.- one will find that MOST religions do hold these same views and many religions are more alike in their main contexts than they would like to think.) (post 3)
(post 3 cont'd) So, in that no Christian really differs. The things in which they do differ are actually quite trivial items and are not the main points of the religion. No I am not Christian; I am a Muslim, but it really offends me when I see someone disrespecting a religion in such a way. Everyone has the right to be treated with respect. How would you like it if someone disrespected your religion (or other beliefs) in such a way? (post 4)
(post 4 cont'd) I am a big believer in do unto others as you would have them do unto you and I try to live my life in such a way. Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, then you must first give respect. So, next time you feel like bashing someone's religion (or other belief system or culture), THINK. Hate and disrespect only gets more of the same in return. It's an ugly circle. There will never be world peace as long as there is ignorance and lack of respect. Peace be upon you.
@lotamishtimeye This sentiment has always sounded so nice, but really impractical. We have no choice but to judge each other each and every day. We have to protect ourselves from thieves by judging who they are, and how they act. We judge each other in picking friends, acquaintances, spouses, and of course, enemies. We carry out our judgments through the way we interact, whether it be through sharing, caring, or with holding, and exclusion. Judgment is necessary and should be done carefully.
@lotamishtimeye But to say we should not judge is to ignore the fact that we do all the time, and it is our moral imperative to judge in order to protect those we love, and to advance moral causes. Ultimately, judgments should be made in the context of fairness, honesty, and an integrity to do what's right.
On a more pointed note, what does the Qur'an teach about punishing others for their sins and offenses? Does it say, "Commit no punishing actions on others, for that is reserved for Allah"?
@Darusdei As I said, respect is a two-way street. One must respect another FIRST before expecting to be respected. In MOST (not all because there are some very close-minded people out there without a sense of common courtesy or respect) cases, if you first give respect, you WILL recieve the same level of respect in return. And honestly, you CANNOT tell me that EVERY SINGLE Christian in this discussion, let alone the whole WORLD has treated you and your beliefs with disrespect.
@Darusdei I also am a big believer in the well-known 'Mama's motto': "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." At the very least if one cannot enter a discussion without being distasteful or at the very least neutral and non-offensive with their speech, they should not leave a comment or speak at all. Everyone has a right to their opinion and everyone has the right to disagree with anothers opinion, belief, or view, but that does not mean that they need to speak negatively or
cause unnecessary conflict. Believe it or not, there are ways of expressing disagreement in non-offensive terms. If someone disagrees with another's viewpoint, (s)he can simply state (such as) "I disagree because I feel... I believe... My view/opinion is... So-and-such seems most evident/obvious/logical to me [because]..." "I" statements work in ways that are typically non-offensive and non-provocative. "Finger-pointing",accusations, insults and stereotyping typically elicit negative responses.
And if someone else is the one doing the disrespecting, one can always (a) ignore them, (b) try to get get to the bottom of the other's conflict and deal with it in a productive manner - often talking it out and get to the core reason of another's maladaptive actions works, such reactions usually stem from fear and lack of knowledge: helping to educate them can solve such ordeals, or (c) realize that the incident of the other's action/reaction is really their own problem and has nothing
what-so-ever to do with themselves and therefore not take it to heart. And really, (with all due respect), isn't the whole concept of "they did it first so I'll do it right back" a tad bit childish and immature? If someone tells me that they disagree with my religion and they think that theirs is better or they believe that their belief is what suites them best, it doesn't bother me. What they believe is what they believe and it doesn't change my beliefs. It doesn't cause me any physical harm.
The way that I look at faith is "better safe than sorry". If I were an Atheist and it so happened that when I died, there really wasn't an "afterlife" then my lack of faith didn't harm me any, but if there DID happen to be an afterlife and I lived my life in faithlessness, I would surely suffer. Likewise, as I am a person of religion, if I die and there is no afterlife, in the end it didn't hurt me any to have faith because in the end, there was nothing, but if there is -
IF THERE IS (and hopefully my creator was/is pleased with me), I will have that reward. And my own actions do not affect another's deeds as another's actions cannot alter my past deeds and each have no impact on the other as for the outcome. Their faith or lack thereof does not determine what happens to me after I have left this life. So, therefore, it really shouldn't matter to me what they say, because it really has no impact.
But if they on the other hand, were to belittle me, my religion in general, or the Prophets of my religion, threaten violence or use insidious language without any due cause (which they would have no reason to do so because I will not do such to another), then I would be very much offended, because such an attack was not warranted.
But still, my response would be to state that such an action against me was offensive and needless, and I would still try to educate them and show them why I feel as I feel - although occasionally I have "turned the mirror around" and used their own statements against them, but I still don't make such statements as calling all people of their religion, belief, view, race, origin, culture, etc. names or making derogatory stereotypical remarks.
Everyone is different and just because someone (or even a number of them) said/did something so biased or hateful, does not mean all of them hold the exact same views. I really just wish that everyone would respect each-other and realize that it isn't a crime for someone disagree with their views. Not everyone has to believe the same thing. What one person believes does not impact what another believes, so there really is no harm in it.
@lotamishtimeye you're right, i don't have a very big problem with christianity, mainly because the part of the world where i live consider religion as BS.
we ofcourse do have your kind christian loonies but they are a very small minority.
@Darusdei "...consider religion as BS", "your kind of christian loonies..." See, that's what I was talking about. Your manner of speaking is very offensive. You expect to receive respect but you are being very disrespectful. From the type of comments I see you leaving, the "disrespect" you're shown by these "loonies" is not at all uncalled for nor undeserved. Your behavior provokes such a reaction.
@Darusdei Besides, it's obvious you are incapable of comprehending what I typed or at the very least did not read everything that I typed otherwise you would know that I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.
@Darusdei Apparently, you DO have a VERY BIG problem with religion and "fundamentalism", otherwise you WOULD NOT be so disrespectful in these conversations. You are obviously very biased and closed-minded. I would go so far to say you are even theologicophobic and allodoxaphobic.
@Darusdei Okay, so: "don't kill one another", "don't steal", "help one another", "don't be jealous, envious, or hateful", "don't be greedy", "don't eat too much", "don't drink alcohol to excess", "don't be lazy" - these ideologies that have come from Christians and other religious sects are obtuse, illogical, and/or lunatic? I'd be more concerned with your obvious lack of morality as an indicator of psychological instability. Even most "non-believers" live by precisely the same moral code.
@Darusdei In addition to what I said before, I also question your intelligence. There are so many levels of inaccuracy to your statement. First off, such language is unwarranted and worthless. Try picking up a dictionary now and then. You seriously need to improve your vocabulary. My statement was merely a rebuke to your numerous and perpetual insults.
@Darusdei Secondly, an ass is A. a stupid person, B. a donkey, or C. a highly degraded word for buttocks. So, either your statement is: A. redundant, B. extensively erroneous for I am clearly a human being, member of the species homo sapiens sapiens and not of the species Equus africanus asinus and a donkey is ever incapable of typing on a computer,
@Darusdei or C. physiologically and anatomically inaccurate for in order for an individuals' thought processes to be "dumb", they must possess a brain and the brain is most comfortably seated within the cranium and the gluteus maximus is inferior in position to the head.
@Darusdei Thirdly, dumb originally means "mute" or "lacking the power of human speech" but the term has been misused so much that in today's English it also has come to mean stupid. Now, an ass is a dumb animal - incapable of human speech, but again you are wrong because you've incorrectly applied to a human. And on another level, YOU are the one using such words making it obvious how meager your vocabulary is which would mean that in fact, YOU are the one incapable of intelligible human speech.
@Darusdei And again I say, it is ever so obvious you never have picked up and read the Christian bible (or any other religious text) because that is what the 10 commandments are and that is what is the basis of MOST religions.
@Darusdei And apparently, you've never read the bible because most of the main points of the bible are very logical: the 10 commandments, for example.
You can't be spiritual in Hollywood. Because Jews control it.
NinetiesYouth 6 months ago
She is so inarticulate. But she is adorable.
judewishedhimselfout 6 months ago
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These famous converts are total suckers. Under Haraam (Arabic: حَرَام) (often haram) their music is banned. If sharai becomes law, all these famous people will be out of a job because their music and acting is forbidden in Islam. Fools!
ErisDulig 7 months ago
horrible advice
mrkylebowden1714 8 months ago 3
Lol guys, realy why care, i can say this, fuck you gusy im going hommme
sune1112 8 months ago
"never put on anybody how you feel"
ugh. crappy quote.
classic relativism.
gummybear422 1 year ago
@gummybear422 Im not sure who told you that, but i suggest you don't listen to them anymore. Spitituality is not a belief system, It is the opposite of a belief system, don't believe, stop thinking, silence your mind and realise who you are at the deepest level, is what spirituality is about. There is truth in it because you can experience it for yourself, you can't believe it ;), believing is when your mind is rambling in your head. giving yourself a false sense of " I know".
MrMusicobsession 8 months ago
@MrMusicobsession mmm....i'm sorry but i'm not interested in "spirituality." "realize who i am at the deepest level...." ok good luck with that, let me know when you "know" that you have realized who you are at the deepest level. whatever that means....but oh right, you don't believe in knowing because belief is just giving yourself a false sense of i know. it's all clear now, thanks for your lesson in spirituality.
moral of the story, i'll have whatever drugs you're having.
gummybear422 8 months ago
@MrMusicobsession ok just realised i replied to the wrong person haha, woopsy!!
MrMusicobsession 8 months ago
Now did he say anything about religion? She got defensive real quick.
danaroxy19822040 1 year ago 3
@danaroxy19822040 - spirituality is the politically correct term for religion.
lucasboden 10 months ago
"Just stay true to your thang. " Ha... I totally agree with the statement from "lotamishtimeye" about how some people talk in an in-articulated way, because why would they want to dumb themselves down by mimicking highbrow intellectuals just to fit in with a group. The highbrow group could be smarter and more articulate, but I think "lotamishtimeye" was right by saying it is smarter to just talk in way that feels right to her, even if it isn't very articulate.
antheadwhalebody 1 year ago
your own thang, oh my god, these people are funny :)
GeneralMitu 1 year ago
her vocab... wow, I thought she was brighter than that.
chico2320 1 year ago
wow she's ghetto . your thang
runtubefantasy 1 year ago 16
GOD - the greatest scientist and mathematician of all time.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
I agree with her view that everyone has a right to their own beliefs, but I just wonder why she is talking like that. I know she must have a bigger vocabulary than that. It makes people question the intelligence of (and some people lose respect for) individuals who talk in such an in-articulated way. Just to try to look cool and appeal to some group, she's dumbing herself down? "It breaks my heart to see her selling herself short."
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago 9
"Just stay true to your thang. " Ha... I totally agree with the statement from "lotamishtimeye" about how some people talk in an in-articulated way, because why would they want to dumb themselves down by mimicking highbrow intellectuals just to fit in with a group. The highbrow group could be smarter and more articulate, but I think "lotamishtimeye" was right by saying it is smarter to just talk in way that feels right to her, even if it isn't very articulate.
antheadwhalebody 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye Maybe it's because she doesn't really have a "spiritual" side. Many people associate that with the supernatural and/or deities, she might not believe in that. But that's fine because most non-believers have humanistic morals.
mrpayne123 1 year ago
they have a very scared look when spirituality is mentioned-----as if regrets fill them at that moment....
mrdolike 1 year ago
You see, junkpast; you cannot 'earn' God's pardon, or favor. The GIFT of God is eternal life' and not of our own works, lest we become boastful and exclaim, 'Look what I did, how wonderful I am,etc' so how good is THAT? !
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 And that is a fundamental disagreement. I think our works are worth boasting about. We (humanity) have created so much. Watch a video called "What would Jesus Not do" by Nonstampcollector. It has some great Bible quotes in there as well. While you're at it, watch several of his videos, and then move onto Thunderfoot's videos, such as the "Why do people laugh at creationists." But if books are more your style, pick up a biology, chemistry, physics, and geology text book.
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast Studeid all of those. I am a retired Engineer. Anyhow, this session is on a dead end street. Have a good weekend
sparwood8 1 year ago
@junkpast Studied all of those. I am a retired Engineer. Anyhow, this session is on a dead end street. Have a good weekend
sparwood8 1 year ago
Religion= cause of all evil
widepass 1 year ago
@widepass religion is nothing more then a tool in the hands of the week, the ignorant and or the cunning and manipulative. Calling religion the cause of all evil is like calling a gun used in a homicide a murderer. Ignorance = case of all evil may be a better way to look at it, if people weren't such sheep and actually thought for themselves instead of putting there faith in religion, religion wouldn't even exist and the manipulative powers that be would have one less tool to control the masses.
odensmeadhorn 1 year ago
@odensmeadhorn You borrow that from Frank Zappa, Stalin, or Bill Maher??
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 those words are my own but im sure the sentiment is shared with some of the names you've listed. My turn, did you pull the handle sparwood from sparwood B.C.
odensmeadhorn 1 year ago
@odensmeadhorn yes I did
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 I remember visiting sparwood as a teenager for youth retreat snow camps. Do those still go on? That seems so long ago now.
odensmeadhorn 1 year ago
@odensmeadhorn I do not know, don't live there. Just picked the name for a 'nick'
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 oh i see, i my apologies for assuming.
odensmeadhorn 1 year ago
@odensmeadhorn N/P
sparwood8 1 year ago
She's smart enough to realize that all religions are an effort to reach God, and are really the same thing but from different perspectives. If you took a baby in Iraq out of its cradle and raised it in Kentucky as a Christian, it would be a Christian. Same thing the other way around. People believe what they're taught until and if they learn to think for themselves, and then hopefully they realize that we're all in this together.
owlcu 1 year ago
Jessica needs to meet Jesus Christ. She is doing her best in this interview, but is parroting the New Age
sparwood8 1 year ago
Hollywood is there religion for most
beydounislam 1 year ago
If you wanna suceed in this business you cant choose a faith! stay neutral is the secret to success. Lord i pray open her eyes!
A2P86 1 year ago
Definitely humanist. Not Christian at all. Too bad for her. She will have to decide and better sooner than later. Hell is looming in her future.
ocnoreen 1 year ago
jessica alba is the hottest woman ever born EVER.........EVER...
KCIDvGIBvATTOGi 1 year ago
it's funny how you christian loonies cant even agree what christianity is even about :D
Darusdei 1 year ago 4
@Darusdei Christianity is often and experiential kind of religion. If you ever experience it your definition would likely be different from others. :)
isralite98 1 year ago
@isralite98 No it's not and what you are speaking of is heresy
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei Loonies. Right. Now tell us your definition of 'Christianity.' To re-phrase: What do you think God requires of you, that you would enter heaven? Seriously now
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 i could rant about living a good life and being nice to your neighbours but then i would be leaving out all the fun stuff
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei Yeah like don't steal. Leave your neighbor's wife alone. Actually none of what you mentioned will get you into heaven.
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 it really doesnt matter, there is no heaven nor hell.
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei Who beat that into your head? A rap singer? A teacher? Your parents? There is a heaven, and you can spend eternity there. There is a hell and you can spend eternity there. Jesus came that you might have life abundantly. Choose life over death. Choose light over darkness. Choose this day whom you will serve. Believe God's son, the Lord Jesus Christ; manifested in the flesh to take away all your sin. Believe on him and ye shall live. Refuse to believe and you are condemned
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 just remember to sin hard, so jesus would have not died for nothing.
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei When your fear comes apon you like a whirl wind; God will mock YOU, and will laugh at YOUR calamity. Repent while there is time. tomorrow you could be dead
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 Your God sounds like a real jerk laughing at someone's calamity.
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@sparwood8 Im cerious if the "God who will mock you and will laugh at your calamity" is the same God who "sent his only begotten to die on a cross so that we may find his forgiveness". The same God who is called love. You're the one who should be begging forgiveness from the Creator, begging forgiveness for misrepresenting him. Do yourself and your "God" a favor and keep your mouth shut next time, pharasie!!!!
odensmeadhorn 1 year ago
@Darusdei That might be one of the most epic statements I have ever read. WOW.
odensmeadhorn 1 year ago
@sparwood8 I think it's funny when fundy xtians try and tell us how to save ourselves and meet Jesus. I mean, really. Fundy's talk like they've personally seen him, but he's been dead for about 2000 years. It's like Elvis meets Santa Clause. I agree with you that you need to choose sides. However, I think you propose false choices. I choose to serve humanity for now and forever. That means contributing as much as I can in this life through human progress, not just personal "salvation."
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast He lives inside of us who know him. By faith and he often makes his presence felt. Christianity is being submitted to God so he lives his life in and through you, by the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit. Consider the cost.... if you are WRONG
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 Yea I agree with sparwood, you should live your entire life in supplication to an imaginary all powerful creature that no one can prove..... the consequences of not doing so may mean burning for eternity in an imaginary lake of imaginary fire.
odensmeadhorn 1 year ago
@sparwood8 What if I'm wrong about the existence of an all powerful, all knowing God? Here's the thing. I base my morality off of philosophical idealisms that are meant to serve the continuance of humanity and serve the betterment of humanity. If God damned me for eternity for not following one of his questionably translated holy books, then he's not a very benevolent God. I don't buy the idea that God and His "appointed leaders" get a monopoly on what is right and wrong. It's all very demented.
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast jesus said, "Whosoever drinks of the water that I give, shall never thirst." and all I can do is tell you where the water is and how to get it. I cannot win an arguement no mater what I put forth. I think it was Will Rogers who said, 'A man cnvinced against his will, is of the same opinion still" and he is right. Arguing is pointless and one only needs to cruise through U Tube to see evidence of this. Nobody ever wins
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 and again, my initial question to you is, "What if YOU are wrong?" If you are, you will stand in front of God on judgement day, and be cast into hell. Harsh, but that's what the Bible says, and it is either God's inspired word, or just made up. So what if you got it all wrong?
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 If I got it all wrong and Xtianity was right, then I would stand in front of God and account for my sins. I would stand there, proud for the life I lived, knowing that I did the best with what I was given. If He is all powerful, and knew everything that I know, and still thought I needed to be cast into eternal damnation, than He is not perfect. He is immoral, evil, wicked, and certainly not worth my worship. I would judge the same of the majority, if not entirety of all people.
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast PRIDE is the reason you will be hearing, "Depart from me, I never knew you" (U really don't want to ever hear those words b/c they are final) and it is written that all your good deeds and righteousness is like filthy rags. Mine too. It is the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all unrighteousness. His blood was innocent, and holy, therefore he could take the rap for the sin of the whole human race. Whosoever believeth on him has everlasting life. Whosoever refuses is condemned
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 And it will only cost you 10% of your income to the church of your choice, so dig in those pockets and give give give!!! If Jesus's life was so perfect, why did they only his birth, and a short period before his death. Where's the rest of his life? Was it so insignificant? Having faith in Christianity as required in the Bible requires one to disbelieve a large portion of modern science. For example, no evidence of world flooding. Young earth is absolutely disproved by geology.
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast No proof of world flooding? The how do you explain that from the driest deserts to the top of mt. Everest, there are seashells? Its not just the Christians and Jews that say a flood happened. Over 500 Flood legends from all parts of the world have been found. Now, you might say movement of the tetonic plates, therefore it was at one time not a mt. at all (which is true), but there are seashells all over the world meaning that all the land at one time or another WAS in fact underwater.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@junkpast And how do you explain the fossilized footprints on top of mt. Everest? The movement of the plates happened millions of years ago, but humankind did NOT exist at the time of the formation of Mt. Everest. And how do you explain the rock strata of Mt. St. Helen? Geologists have concluded that this anomaly is best interpreted as having been laid down rapidly in a massive catastrophe such as the Global flood of Noah.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@junkpast Although there are some discrepancies within the bible whereas science has discredited some parts, science cannot and does NOT completely discredit the Bible. In fact, science often in fact adds additional evidence that many incidences within the bible did in fact occur and are true.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@junkpast 80% of the Earth's crust is covered by sedimentary rock. Layered rock strata have formed as suspended sediments settled out of moving water. A global flood is the most reasonable explanation for the means by which sedimentary layers came to cover so much of the continents.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@junkpast So, you say there is no proof of flooding, but there in fact is sufficient scientific evidence to show there there was in fact a flood. Discrepancies are just upon the severity of the flood: world-wide or localized. That is why there is a branch of geology called "flood geology".
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@junkpast And if that is not enough for you, I will quote some parts from the Quran:
"We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them…" (Qur'an, 21:31) and “Have We not made the earth an expanse and the mountains stakes?” (Qur’an, 78:6-7)
Stakes ( awtaad ), which are driven into the ground like those used to anchor a tent, are the deep foundations of geological folds. These verses state that mountains perform the function of preventing shocks in the Earth.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
This fact was not known by anyone at the time the Qur'an was revealed. It was, in fact, brought to light only recently, as a result of the findings of modern geological research. Formerly, it was thought that mountains were merely protrusions rising above the surface of the Earth. However, scientists realized that this was not actually the case, and that those parts known as the mountain root extended down as far as 10-15 times their own height.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
With these features, mountains play a similar role to a nail or peg firmly holding down a tent. For example, Mount Everest, the summit of which stands approximately 9 km above the surface of the Earth, has a root deeper than 125 km.24
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
One of the properties of seas that has only recently been discovered is related in a verse of the Qur'an as follows:
"He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through." (Qur'an, 55:19-20)
This property of the seas, that is, that they meet and yet do not intermix, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
Because of the physical force called "surface tension," the waters of neighboring seas do not mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin wall were between them.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
"Or [the unbelievers' state] are like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those Allah gives no light to, they have no light." (Qur'an, 24:40)
In deep seas and oceans, the darkness is found at a depth of 200 meters and deeper. At this depth, there is almost no light, and below a depth of 1,000 meters there is no light at all.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
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Today, we know about the general formation of the sea, the characteristics of the living things in it, its salinity, as well as the amount of water it contains, and its surface area and depth. Submarines and special equipment, developed with modern technology, have enabled scientists to obtain such information.
Human beings are not able to dive to a depth of more than 70 meters without the aid of special equipment
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
and cannot survive unaided in the dark depths of the oceans, such as at a depth of 200 meters. For these reasons, scientists have only recently been able to discover detailed information about the seas. However, that the depth of the sea is dark was revealed in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago. It is certainly one of the miracles of the Qur'an that such information was given at a time where no equipment to enable man to dive into the depths of the oceans was available.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
In addition, the statement in Surat an-Nur 40 "…like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds…" draws our attention to another miracle of the Qur'an.
Scientists have only recently discovered that there are sub-surface waves, which "occur on density interfaces between layers of different densities." These internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because deep water has a higher density than the water above it.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
Internal waves act like surface waves. They can break, just like surface waves. Internal waves cannot be discerned by the human eye, but they can be detected by studying temperature or salinity changes at a given location.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
In another verse, the following information is given about the formation of rainclouds:
"Have you not seen how Allah drives along the clouds, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it? And He sends down from the sky mountain masses [of clouds] with cold hail in them, striking with it anyone He wills and averting it from anyone He wills. The brightness of His lightning almost blinds the sight." (Qur'an, 24:43)
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
Scientists studying cloud types came across surprising results with regards to the formation of rain clouds. Rain clouds are formed and shaped according to definite systems and stages. The stages of formation of one kind of rain cloud, cumulonimbus, are these:
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
1. STAGE, Being driven along: Clouds are carried along, that is, they are driven along, by the wind. The statements in the Qur'an run parallel precisely the above explanation.
2. STAGE, Joining: Then, small clouds (cumulonimbus clouds) driven along by the wind join together, forming a larger cloud.
3. STAGE, Stacking: When the small clouds join together, updrafts within the larger cloud increase. The updrafts near the center of the cloud are stronger than those near the edges.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically, so the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
We must remember that meteorologists have only recently come to know these details about cloud formation, structure & function, by using advanced equipment like planes, satellites, computers etc. It is evident that Allah has provided us information that could not have been known 1,400 years ago. Certainly, this fact, which scientists has discovered very recently, shows once again that the Qur'an is the word of God. There are over 99 occurrences described in the Quran which science has coincided.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
I have showed you only a handful.There are many more such as the formation of rock stratum, the magnetic poles, earth's rotation, formation of an embryo inside a mother's womb, etc. In the Quran,the great flood of Noah (Nuh) is mentioned, although it differs from Christian belief as it states that the flood only affected Noah's people & therefore was more localized whereas in Christian belief the flood was global - but Christianity,Judaism,Islam & science all agree that there WAS a great flood.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
In the Quran, it is stated many times over to read (and to respect the Prophets of) the books of the Torat (Torah), Injeel (Gospel / Christian Bible), and Zabur (the book of Psalms), because "wherein there are some words of good". So from this phrase in the Quran, I do believe that parts of the Christian Bible are true.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
Islam believes in the Prophets and Messengers (in no particular order): Adam (And his Wife, Eve (Hawa)), Idris (Enoch), Nuh (Noah), Hud, Saleh, Ibrahim (Abraham), Lut (Lot), Ishma'il (Ishmael), Is'haq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob) Yusuf (Joseph), Ayyub (Job), Shu'ayb (Jethro), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Dawud (David), Sulayman (Solomon), Ilyas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yunus (Jonah), Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel), (Cont'd to next post)
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
(Cont'd from prev.) Zakariyya (Zechariah), Yahya (John the Baptist), Isa (Jesus), and Mohammed (Mamud/ Ahmed/ Hamid/ Mahdi) Peace and Blessings be upon them all. Islam also believes in Habil (Abe) and Qabil (Cain). Jesus is mentioned more times in the Quran than is Mohammed himself. There is even a full chapter devoted to Mary, Mother of Jesus, (Maryam).
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
Peace and blessing be upon all of Allah's Nabi (Prophet), Rasool (Messenger), Imaams, and Messiah, their Wives, kith and kin, and Ummah (followers).
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye Bible says the same kinda things. Ain't no miracles. Just that the folks smart and educated enough to write Bibles and Korans knew rain came out of clouds and saw how the clouds moved.
TaterGumfries 10 months ago
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@lotamishtimeye "This property of the seas, that is, that they meet and yet do not intermix, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers."
That just ain't so.
TaterGumfries 10 months ago
@lotamishtimeye Mountains as stakes that prevent shocks in the Earth?! This shows definitively that the Qur'an is a terrible source of knowledge. Mountains tend to be in regions with THE MOST tectonic activity, not the least, and mountains move just as all continents do atop a flow of liquid rock. This is the very foundation of tectonics used to explain the very formation of mountains, volcanoes, and many of the other geologic formations we observe.
junkpast 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye A single sedimentary layer would make sense for a single global flood, but by your logic, the world would have had to have multiple world floods. Sedimentary rock is formed by the layering of sediments on top of one another. The composition of each layer tells us something about what was happening at that time and place, which is why it is so useful. It doesn't point to a world wide flood at all.
junkpast 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye Mt. St. Helen being sited as proof of Noah by Geologists?! Give me an article from a reputable scientific journal, or even a science text book.
Not conceding that there was a flood, even if there had been, even if the Bible turned out to be fairly close to historical events, it wouldn't prove the existence of God, that Jesus is mankind's "Lord and Savior," or lend credence to the "Gospel." It would only show that early historians could record events.
junkpast 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye You defeated your own argument here. Plate tectonics accounts for seashells on mountains. I sincerely doubt that it has been proven that every part of the world has been completely submerged by water, though tectonics and geology show that many parts of now dry land had once been under bodies of water such as lakes or seas. However, to prove a world flood, one would only need to date through isotopes sea life all over the world in a single layer of strata.
junkpast 1 year ago
If the worst thing I can hear is that an all knowing God says "Depart from me, I never knew you," then I'm not too worried. He must not be all knowing, which calls into question many others things about what he must not be. I suffice it to just say, he must not be.
junkpast 1 year ago
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@junkpast The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'
sparwood8 1 year ago
@junkpast The reason God would say "dapart from me, i do not know you", is becuase we(mankind) took no time, for allowing our selves to know God and Him to know us through prayer and ways of living to His standards. Once we begin to surrender to the will of God, by living toward His commands we can than know more about Him and have God know about us as we speak with Him in prayer and study His teachings(the bible). Sorry not trying to preach at you my friend..just trying help u understand :)
isralite98 1 year ago
@isralite98 That's just the thing. I took plenty of time. I know people will judge me and say that an entire lifetime spent seeking God is a lifetime well spent, but I think at some point you have to scratch your head, and come to the simple conclusion, "Maybe all these people have just talked themselves into believing something that's really not there." And that is simplicity of the Christian turned atheist. For me, science and philosophy not only filled in the gaps, but replaced the bible.
junkpast 1 year ago
There are many anomalies that even science can't explain,there are many things that happen that are NOT "scientifically possible",& there are many parts of the Quran,Bible, & Torah that science supports.There is such a thing as having a healthy balance of scientific knowledge, humanitarian morals, & religious faith. In the Quran,it says to go out to seek knowledge & God's bounty for yourself. It tells you to think for yourself. So, use what is useful & makes sense & throw out what feels wrong.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
Change that what you can, accept that which you cannot change, and seek further knowledge for that which you know not. Keep your mind, eyes, ears, 'heart', soul and arms 'open' and learn to accept each others differences. Help others when you can & don't be afraid to ask for help when you need it. Do no harm unto others & treat each other and everything with respect and dignity. Have faith but also educate yourself. Keep family close. And most importantly, love greatly and non-discriminate-ly.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye Science doesn't claim to have an answer for everything. It doesn't claim much of anything. It's only a method. The results of science stand only on the merit that they accurately predict behavior of the universe. This is actually the strength of science. It doesn't require faith. If you have any doubts, all you have to do is test what is asked. The problem with the supposed holy books is that they dogmatically assert their truth, with no way to test it.
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast "For me, science and philosophy not only filled in the gaps, but replaced the bible." This is a direct quote from you. You completely contradict yourself. By your own words, you claim that science does have an answer to everything but now you're admitting that it doesn't. BTW, even scientifically, you cannot test everything. Science does NOT always accurately predict the behavior of the universe; there are many scientific anomalies.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@junkpast Many things happen that are scientifically impossible. And you cannot conduct a proper test of anything that is "scientifically impossible". And that is what a miracle is- something that is unexplainable and scientifically / naturally impossible yet it exists / happens.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@junkpast For me, the more I study the sciences (biology,microbiology, chemistry, anatomy, physiology, psychology, kinetics, etc.), the more re-enforced my belief becomes that there IS (and MUST BE) a God/ creator. God- the greatest scientist and mathematician of all time.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye I said that science AND PHILOSOPHY filled in the gaps, not just science. Science doesn't answer everything, and it's true that our understanding of the universe through science doesn't account for everything, but the solution is better science, not explaining away the unknown with God. Using God as an explanation for things is a lost opportunity for really understanding the nature behind how things work. Most importantly, no answer is better than a fabricated non-answer.
junkpast 1 year ago
How does science back up the belief of God? What evidence does science show for a creator of the universe? Of Earth? Of even life on Earth? What value does a deist religion bring to academia? I fail to understand how you got to your conclusion.
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast What evidence does science show that there isn't? There ISN'T ANY scientific proof that there ISN'T a God. The reason you can't understand is that your mind is closed. And I said "for me..." that statement does NOT include you. It doesn't have to make any sense to you and it never will because you are NOT a person of faith. When I look through a high-powered microscope at the complexities of human cells and when I study the minute datails of the human genome- how fascinating it is!-
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
it literally is a miracle how a human comes to life, how we are formed, everything starting from the smallest forms of life and all of the challenges an organism must overcome; and 4 words- the double helix bond (you know, DNA, RNA, mRNA, rRNA, tRNA, and all of the chemicals and combinations that it takes just to form that, everything down to the atom and working its' way up, etc.) Do you have any idea what hurdles we must overcome just to come to life?
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye Life is amazing, awe inspiring, but not a miracle. By your very description, there is a natural process by which it all happens. There is no need for divine intervention to explain how life happens. Although there are gaps in many areas of understanding, humanity knows now more than it ever did about life, not through prayer, faith, any holy book, or meditation, but through concerted efforts of thoughtful and methodical research.
junkpast 1 year ago
And we humans are the most intelligent creatures on this earth and all of our accomplishments- all of the things we have made and are capable of making and yet we did NOT do this- Do you seriously belive that there was nothing and then suddenly POOF! some single-celled micro-organism just appeared out of nothingness in a puddle of muck and reproduced itself and evolved until it became thousands and thousands of many different life forms including the modern day human- from nothing?
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye There are many hypotheses about abiogenesis, and some have been tested in the laboratory, others look for how it could have traveled here from somewhere else. That area of science is working hard at finding evidence, and it is making progress. To answer your question: yes. I think it is a logical assertion to believe that life somehow started from very simple reproducing chemicals that continued to reproduce as long as they had sufficient fuel and energy.
junkpast 1 year ago
Perhaps you do. But all that I was saying is that me having faith (which I did to begin with whereas you apparently did but because things didn't work out for you the way you wanted, you rejected the idea of a higher power than you and lost all faith) and then looking at this only STRENGTHENS my faith, not diminishes it as it apparently did for you.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye This is a typical ad hominem attack, distracting from the merits of humanism vs religion, but let me address it anyway. I have always lacked faith in religion, because it never made sense. I understood what people were telling me, and I understand the religion I was raised in, but I never felt it was true (or any other religion), and still don't. I was raised in faith, but the faith I had was in my leaders, in my parents, in my friends that they knew the truth, and I would, too.
junkpast 1 year ago
And as I said before, these sciences only came to light recently but hundreds and hundreds of years ago were mentioned in the Quran, whereas making science a complimentary source to strengthening my faith. And "science AND PHILOSOPHY" still don't explain or have the answers for anything. The science of psychology and many other scientifical theories stem from philosophy. I come to my conclusions from MANY different sources, not just one or two.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye If any holy book really had advanced knowledge of science, how is it that no one could use it to do anything? How is it that these holy books couldn't provide anyone with anything useful such as penicillin, math, physics, chemistry, biology (to the Bible's credit, it talks about grafting, but that's the only science in the whole book worth mentioning), or tell us about plate tectonics, the nitrogen, carbon, and water cycles, etc? Science has given answers in abundance.
junkpast 1 year ago
And further more, many historical PHILOSOPHERS were also men of religion. They combined human perspective and intellect and observations (and common sense) with their faith and came out their own philosophies. Common sense- just because you can't see, feel, hear or sense it, doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist. You learn that by the time you're 5.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye It is true that many philosophers have been religious. Scientists, too. Isaac Newton was well known to dabble in alchemy, the occult, and was a strong Christian. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what he believed. He created Calculus, classical physics, elucidated optics, and brought a much deeper understanding of our universe to humanity. Ultimately, the fact that philosophers, scientists, etc. were religious (and many still are) doesn't matter. Only their discoveries matter.
junkpast 1 year ago
@sparwood8 "Drink of the water that I give... shall never thirst." If His water is a metaphor for knowledge, then I drank. I drank heavily from Christianity, but it didn't answer my questions. What is Heaven like? What is God like? Where did he come from? Why did he create us? Why did he build imperfection into us, then use it judge us as sinful abominations? Why does God need a blood sacrifice? Why not just forgive like people do? Why is it that He can't be seen? The answers were/are too hollow
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast I can answer all those, but I won't. Get a bible and read it for yourself. All the answers you seek are there. Suggest Romans Ch 1 to 8 and also ch 12. ONE John, and John ch 1 to 3. HINT: Ask God to reveal truth to you before you read the Bible. Ask him to speak to your heart, and he will; through his word.
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 Ask God for knowledge. Been there, done that. After years of doing the prescribed actions of gaining faith, I finally had the epiphany that maybe all these people just use their faith to "humbly" assert their faith as a point of pride. Just maybe, we can learn to forgive each other without the old traditions of scape goating, which is what the Jesus story breaks down to. The idea of someone else paying for your wrong doing is absurd and immoral.
junkpast 1 year ago
@sparwood8 The Bible IS NOT A COOKBOOK. Cook books deliver results every time they're followed. The Bible doesn't. You might feel like you have answers. You might feel good about what you believe, but you can't show me how the Bible will enrich my life, because I've tried the very things you've mentioned and THEY DON'T WORK! At least they don't for me. And don't say it's because I'm unworthy, or prayed wrong, or any other BS subjective judgment.
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast 'Water' is referred to as 'Living Water' meaning the abundant life. He even says, 'I am come that they might have life, and have it abundantly' water does not mean knowledge why not forgive like people do? People DON'T forgive... and God's forgiveness is yours right here and now. For all eternity
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 I would contend that most people forgive most of the time. For most, earning forgiveness is as simple as being apologetic, doing what they can to fix any damage done by their offense, and changing their behavior to avoid making the same offense again.
As for water's of life, I see that I was mistaken in interpretation. It doesn't change the main point that the Bible is not a source for knowledge about the universe.
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast So did science answer all those questions for you?
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye Did science answer all my religious questions? It did much better. It freed me from Hell, Heaven, and all other mysticism. It showed me that I was asking the wrong questions. It showed me that humanity's adult make believe, which is religion, is a distraction from making real progress. When you don't have to justify how a man can survive in a whale, or how all the world's life can squeeze into a boat and survive a world flood, then it becomes much easier to be coherent.
junkpast 1 year ago
@sparwood8 What if there was no heaven? What if there was no salvation? What if God just asked you to do good for goodness sake because he asked of it, but offered nothing in return. Would you still do right by your brothers and sisters in the flesh? Would you live as moral a life as possible, even if your soul is damned to non existence? Open your mind and heart to the possibility that you are wrong. It is open mindedness and dedication to truth that led me away from Christianity.
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast I'd probably live like most other unbelievers. I am just human. Read my reply to junkpast..
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 Interesting choice of words. "I'd probably live like most other unbelievers. I am just human. Read my reply to junkpast." BTW, I AM junkpast. Kind of a fail there, but I'll forgive you because it's the "Christian" thing to do. Lol. But seriously, what do you think unbelievers live like?
junkpast 1 year ago
@junkpast I know exactly what they are like. I was one for 29 years.
sparwood8 1 year ago
@sparwood8 LOL go ahead, make fun of me. I messed this one up
sparwood8 1 year ago
@Darusdei There are many different sects of Christianity. Each sect has their own different views, just as each individual has their own views and everyone has a right to their own view. Just because they differ from each other or differ from you is not cause for disrespect. I really wish people would treat each other with respect and especially have respect for others' religions. (post 1)
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
(post 1 cont'd) It is not in mankind's place to judge another. To judge is transgressing limits as it is solely God's Holy right to judge. We are not God, not even close. We are mere humans and we ALL (even the best-hearted of us) make mistakes, so who is one human to say that another human is wrong or right? We know not. We all lack knowledge. We are all imperfect. (post 2)
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
(post 2 con'td) The main set in Christianity is to believe in Jesus and God, to worship God and to do good to humankind and to abstain from that which is evil or wrong (killing other humans, cheating, raping, undue violence, stealing, etc.- one will find that MOST religions do hold these same views and many religions are more alike in their main contexts than they would like to think.) (post 3)
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
(post 3 cont'd) So, in that no Christian really differs. The things in which they do differ are actually quite trivial items and are not the main points of the religion. No I am not Christian; I am a Muslim, but it really offends me when I see someone disrespecting a religion in such a way. Everyone has the right to be treated with respect. How would you like it if someone disrespected your religion (or other beliefs) in such a way? (post 4)
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
(post 4 cont'd) I am a big believer in do unto others as you would have them do unto you and I try to live my life in such a way. Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, then you must first give respect. So, next time you feel like bashing someone's religion (or other belief system or culture), THINK. Hate and disrespect only gets more of the same in return. It's an ugly circle. There will never be world peace as long as there is ignorance and lack of respect. Peace be upon you.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye This sentiment has always sounded so nice, but really impractical. We have no choice but to judge each other each and every day. We have to protect ourselves from thieves by judging who they are, and how they act. We judge each other in picking friends, acquaintances, spouses, and of course, enemies. We carry out our judgments through the way we interact, whether it be through sharing, caring, or with holding, and exclusion. Judgment is necessary and should be done carefully.
junkpast 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye But to say we should not judge is to ignore the fact that we do all the time, and it is our moral imperative to judge in order to protect those we love, and to advance moral causes. Ultimately, judgments should be made in the context of fairness, honesty, and an integrity to do what's right.
On a more pointed note, what does the Qur'an teach about punishing others for their sins and offenses? Does it say, "Commit no punishing actions on others, for that is reserved for Allah"?
junkpast 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye i treat them with respect when they treat my beliefs with the same...
a day we will never see. m
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei As I said, respect is a two-way street. One must respect another FIRST before expecting to be respected. In MOST (not all because there are some very close-minded people out there without a sense of common courtesy or respect) cases, if you first give respect, you WILL recieve the same level of respect in return. And honestly, you CANNOT tell me that EVERY SINGLE Christian in this discussion, let alone the whole WORLD has treated you and your beliefs with disrespect.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@Darusdei I also am a big believer in the well-known 'Mama's motto': "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." At the very least if one cannot enter a discussion without being distasteful or at the very least neutral and non-offensive with their speech, they should not leave a comment or speak at all. Everyone has a right to their opinion and everyone has the right to disagree with anothers opinion, belief, or view, but that does not mean that they need to speak negatively or
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
cause unnecessary conflict. Believe it or not, there are ways of expressing disagreement in non-offensive terms. If someone disagrees with another's viewpoint, (s)he can simply state (such as) "I disagree because I feel... I believe... My view/opinion is... So-and-such seems most evident/obvious/logical to me [because]..." "I" statements work in ways that are typically non-offensive and non-provocative. "Finger-pointing",accusations, insults and stereotyping typically elicit negative responses.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
And if someone else is the one doing the disrespecting, one can always (a) ignore them, (b) try to get get to the bottom of the other's conflict and deal with it in a productive manner - often talking it out and get to the core reason of another's maladaptive actions works, such reactions usually stem from fear and lack of knowledge: helping to educate them can solve such ordeals, or (c) realize that the incident of the other's action/reaction is really their own problem and has nothing
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
what-so-ever to do with themselves and therefore not take it to heart. And really, (with all due respect), isn't the whole concept of "they did it first so I'll do it right back" a tad bit childish and immature? If someone tells me that they disagree with my religion and they think that theirs is better or they believe that their belief is what suites them best, it doesn't bother me. What they believe is what they believe and it doesn't change my beliefs. It doesn't cause me any physical harm.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
The way that I look at faith is "better safe than sorry". If I were an Atheist and it so happened that when I died, there really wasn't an "afterlife" then my lack of faith didn't harm me any, but if there DID happen to be an afterlife and I lived my life in faithlessness, I would surely suffer. Likewise, as I am a person of religion, if I die and there is no afterlife, in the end it didn't hurt me any to have faith because in the end, there was nothing, but if there is -
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
IF THERE IS (and hopefully my creator was/is pleased with me), I will have that reward. And my own actions do not affect another's deeds as another's actions cannot alter my past deeds and each have no impact on the other as for the outcome. Their faith or lack thereof does not determine what happens to me after I have left this life. So, therefore, it really shouldn't matter to me what they say, because it really has no impact.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
But if they on the other hand, were to belittle me, my religion in general, or the Prophets of my religion, threaten violence or use insidious language without any due cause (which they would have no reason to do so because I will not do such to another), then I would be very much offended, because such an attack was not warranted.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
But still, my response would be to state that such an action against me was offensive and needless, and I would still try to educate them and show them why I feel as I feel - although occasionally I have "turned the mirror around" and used their own statements against them, but I still don't make such statements as calling all people of their religion, belief, view, race, origin, culture, etc. names or making derogatory stereotypical remarks.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
Everyone is different and just because someone (or even a number of them) said/did something so biased or hateful, does not mean all of them hold the exact same views. I really just wish that everyone would respect each-other and realize that it isn't a crime for someone disagree with their views. Not everyone has to believe the same thing. What one person believes does not impact what another believes, so there really is no harm in it.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
The world would be a much better place if everyone just respected each other and accepted one another's differences.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye you're right, i don't have a very big problem with christianity, mainly because the part of the world where i live consider religion as BS.
we ofcourse do have your kind christian loonies but they are a very small minority.
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei "...consider religion as BS", "your kind of christian loonies..." See, that's what I was talking about. Your manner of speaking is very offensive. You expect to receive respect but you are being very disrespectful. From the type of comments I see you leaving, the "disrespect" you're shown by these "loonies" is not at all uncalled for nor undeserved. Your behavior provokes such a reaction.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye fundementalists don't deserve ANY respect
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei No, anyone who GIVES respect DESERVES respect in return. Those who do NOT give respect DO NOT DESERVE RESPECT.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@Darusdei Besides, it's obvious you are incapable of comprehending what I typed or at the very least did not read everything that I typed otherwise you would know that I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@Darusdei Apparently, you DO have a VERY BIG problem with religion and "fundamentalism", otherwise you WOULD NOT be so disrespectful in these conversations. You are obviously very biased and closed-minded. I would go so far to say you are even theologicophobic and allodoxaphobic.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye because nothing smart has ever come out of christian lunatics.
Darusdei 1 year ago
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lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@Darusdei Okay, so: "don't kill one another", "don't steal", "help one another", "don't be jealous, envious, or hateful", "don't be greedy", "don't eat too much", "don't drink alcohol to excess", "don't be lazy" - these ideologies that have come from Christians and other religious sects are obtuse, illogical, and/or lunatic? I'd be more concerned with your obvious lack of morality as an indicator of psychological instability. Even most "non-believers" live by precisely the same moral code.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye those don't come from religions dumb ass...
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei In addition to what I said before, I also question your intelligence. There are so many levels of inaccuracy to your statement. First off, such language is unwarranted and worthless. Try picking up a dictionary now and then. You seriously need to improve your vocabulary. My statement was merely a rebuke to your numerous and perpetual insults.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@Darusdei Secondly, an ass is A. a stupid person, B. a donkey, or C. a highly degraded word for buttocks. So, either your statement is: A. redundant, B. extensively erroneous for I am clearly a human being, member of the species homo sapiens sapiens and not of the species Equus africanus asinus and a donkey is ever incapable of typing on a computer,
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@Darusdei or C. physiologically and anatomically inaccurate for in order for an individuals' thought processes to be "dumb", they must possess a brain and the brain is most comfortably seated within the cranium and the gluteus maximus is inferior in position to the head.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@Darusdei Thirdly, dumb originally means "mute" or "lacking the power of human speech" but the term has been misused so much that in today's English it also has come to mean stupid. Now, an ass is a dumb animal - incapable of human speech, but again you are wrong because you've incorrectly applied to a human. And on another level, YOU are the one using such words making it obvious how meager your vocabulary is which would mean that in fact, YOU are the one incapable of intelligible human speech.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@Darusdei And again I say, it is ever so obvious you never have picked up and read the Christian bible (or any other religious text) because that is what the 10 commandments are and that is what is the basis of MOST religions.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
@lotamishtimeye and it's clear as day that you haven't read anything about history
Darusdei 1 year ago
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@Darusdei And apparently, you've never read the bible because most of the main points of the bible are very logical: the 10 commandments, for example.
lotamishtimeye 1 year ago
you people shouldnt be the judge of her ..whether she has a religion or not.
its not your life,get real.Not everyone wants one.
cheykiddd 1 year ago
bukkake bitch, it feels right >:)
Willhu81 1 year ago