Named Gymnastic Elements. Still rings

[japanesedunkmania]

I talked with Mr. Nakayama several years ago.

He showed the gold medal proudly.

His lesson was very pleasant.

[LoveAndGymnastics]

How do they get the rings to stop flying around after a gymnast dismounts and it's someone else's turn?

[oknowiamdead]

@LoveAndGymnastics Sometimes the dismount is so well done, the rings are able to stop themselves from counter-forces on the way down.

Other than that, sometimes they do get wrapped around the frame, so the best way is just to poke it away with a stick until its free again! Then stop it with a hook.

[AeffchenSkill]

Guczoghy - Nemov and Saito (i guess), about the other one I'm not shure...

Carmona, Van Gelder, Mollinari and Rodrigues are missing

[weedisallineed1]

please why music why ? WHY ? good shoots doh

[igorgymn1]

ONeil - Jesus Carballo

[lilsmithyg5]

whats the name of the people who does guzoghy or the o'neill in this video.

[lilsmithyg5]

fantastic video

[89paulita89]

Hello! I upload a video of the Molinari new element! It's a kip to cross to V sit.. Put this exercice in your video! Thanks

[flipkid2233]

layed out yamawalki**

[flipkid2233]

layed out tkatchev?

[Thehamez]

2:48 is just beyond.

[Olivier89]

Where's the van Gelder?

[WeaponX0187]

NO DOUBT...VICTORIAN IS THE BEST and the O'Neill

[WeaponX0187]

YAMAWAKI!!!!

[ksuhrud]

Isnt that a maltese not a schwalbe

[Genomatekk]

the body is higher in a maltese.

[ksuhrud]

That Bhavsar is crazy. Goinig against the motion you are going and that too on rings.

[brokebackcowboy3]

what's the hardest trick you can perform on the rings?

[Rasvatri]

I think sit's a baladin 2

From still hang pull to inverted cross

[egorych]

@brokebackcowboy3 It's Balandin II and Victorian for sure. Those require nasty strength.

[syzlox]

there's 3 new move with the victorian .. it's called a rodriguez. it's a french guys named pedro rodriguez who invented those moves this guys is awesome.

[joshuachancuevas]

@syzlox his name is Danny rodriguez, not perdo.

[syzlox]

@joshuachancuevas Danny Pinheiro Rodrigues sorry ! i though his middle name was pedro

[syzlox]

@syzlox Danny Pinheiro Rodrigues sorry ! i though his middle name was pedro

[nastrocksxd18]

how do they flip while holding on to the rings and not make the rings twisted??

sorry, i'm a girl gymnast so i don't really know

[ksuhrud]

There are ball bearings on the top so when we flip the motion is tranferred all the way to the top and the cables are not twisted

[nastrocksxd18]

oh...okay

thanks a lot!

[rambo5551]

awesome video, crappy music.

[streetmirage]

These take a crazy a amount of strength- respect to all the athletes.

[Rasvatri]

Tampakos 1 and 2 are forbidden elements

[createwithkathy]

wonder why there not in the code anymore....

[Rasvatri]

FIG decided that, i don't know why either

[xSiLeNtKiLax]

why? if u look at the ohio state video the first guy does tampakos 2

[Rasvatri]

Because they are contra swing elements and all contra swing elements are removed from the FIG-code

[ksuhrud]

even Bhavsar

[DrAlexisOlson]

They are not forbidden. They just don't get the same credit the used to. Now they are valued as two separate skills: front uprise + maltese or front uprise + inverted cross.

[Rasvatri]

Indeed

[H2SSelly]

does any body know the value of the Chechi i want put it in my routine

[Hooligan8200]

FIG B

I think its also a B in IHSA.

[H2SSelly]

thx i looked in the IHSA rule book and it didnt list it. i dont need any more Bs but its a cool trick to stand out with for a mount thx

[Hooligan8200]

...you didn't happen to have competed in the IHSA state meet yesterday now did you? I was there and saw someone do a chechi on rings. It was the only chechi i've ever seen and it's sort of odd that we just talked about this trick a week ago.

[H2SSelly]

lmao! yeah! it was the worst meet of my life too n gave me a shit tone fo swing n i dislocated my shoulder/elbow on the 1st trick! wooooot!

[Hooligan8200]

haha wow thats insane, small world eh?

Your routine didn't look too bad, you just sorta looked tired (or injured from your first trick). But hey you had a chechi in there!

[createwithkathy]

dude, at 2:43, thats a Rodrigues 1.

[MicrosoftIndesign]

fucking shit, the last one after the victorian was crazy!!!

[Rasvatri]

And Tampakos either

[dd8yf]

Right. "Any" skill that swings up and backward past a vertical support to another skill is now two skills - so Kip Maltese is no longer an E (it's A + D), Kip Planche is no longer a D (it's A + C), Frontuprise inverted cross is no longer a D (it's A + C), etc. Kip cross is ok because it doesn't swing past vertical support.

[Rasvatri]

In the new FIG-code, cosollany isn't an element anymore

[crazybuffkid]

HOLY SHIT AT 2:50 IS THE ONLY GOOD VICTORIAN ON YOUTUBE. Victorian is by far the hardest skill

[Rasvatri]

Nobody does a good victorian because its against nature.

[dd8yf]

Doctors once said the same thing of the four-minute mile too. Give gymnastics another decade and Victorians may well be as standard as malteses / swallows.

[Fizniperal]

This is not possible because of the latissimus muscle absurd growth under the practise of the skill. Juri Chechi said that he stopped training it because of that (he wanted to perform on other events like pommel horse, which you cant do if you have large lats)

[dd8yf]

And if you're just a ring specialist who doesn't do other events, it's certainly possible.

Arguing about this isn't productive, because it's a difference in value-choice about impossibility. I retain the belief that advancements in training and understanding of muscle growth could enable a ring specialist to compete a good Victorian.

[Fizniperal]

True, higher than the others I've uploaded. I think that was the first time ever Rodrigues did it.

[MicrosoftIndesign]

no i have a victorian on my favorites, i am working on that skill and hopefully upload it soon

[Sameronei]

great song, great music

[ziga112]

there aren't even 10 ppl on earth who can do Victorian i think...it's fucking hard. you need fucking strong lats

[flipkid2233]

victorian is the hardest skill on rings no question

[xllamasrhawtx]

I'm a female gymnast and know next to nothing about men's gymnastics, but what is the most difficult element on rings?

[Italirican08]

stength wise - I'd say a Victorian. skill ("trick") wise - it would depend.

[DrAlexisOlson]

The Rodrigues (front uprise to Victorian) is more difficult.

Back lever pull to Maltese also worth the same as the Rodrigues. (Whether or not it is harder is debatable.)

[GeoffTaucer]

Actually, that's not quite right; a backward roll to maltese or a pull to maltese from back lever is an F, whereas a front uprise victorian is only an E (in my opinion it SHOULD be an F, though)

[DrAlexisOlson]

Check the code again. A front uprise victorian (Rodrigues) is indeed an F.

[GeoffTaucer]

My mistake; I was thinking of the other two Rodrigues elements.

[johnseeley]

Wasn't the olympic cross named after someone?

Rate the strength parts in terms of difficulty 1. Balandin I, 2 Balandin II, 3. Victorian 4. Maltese 5. Invert. Check out Dong Zhen(2001) here: =HrmjBBPqKhg He does the Balandin I in two presise steps. DIFFICULT!

[GeoffTaucer]

The forst 3 are debatable. An inverted cross is definitely the easiest, a maltese being the second easiest, but honestly I'd guess the Balandins to be on about the same level of difficulty as a victorian. I say "guess" because I've never been close to strong enough to do any of those three, though on a ring machine a victorian is definitely the easiest of the remaining three (as in I can do a victorian on a ring machine and I can't do either of the balandins)

[MicrosoftIndesign]

dude maltese is easier than inverted, i know because i can do them, the inverted not all the way down but i got the idea just in my opinion, and about the victorian.....yeah that is hard skill. do you do gymnastics?

[GeoffTaucer]

I've always found an inverted cross to be much easier than a maltese -- in fact, I've found it to be easier than a cross or streaight-body planche.

[MicrosoftIndesign]

I guess because i have good planches, and when I do the cross it hearts my biceps. I need to stop lifting hard weights. Where do you find the value of the skills?

[GeoffTaucer]

You can download the code of points from the FIG website.

[playman9111]

deltchev and jotchev are bulgarian w00t rep

[oknowiamdead]

Pretty sure deltchev was done in the 1980 olympics by russia

[playman9111]

im pretty sure you're wrong buddy, check it out en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Stoy­an_Deltchev

[simsmims]

Deltchev wins gold on HB and bronze in all around in 1980

[GeoffTaucer]

Holy monkey. Balandin is amazing.

[alepeccia]

Jeeeeeez! Unreal.

[Hooligan8200]

During the Balandin 1, a guy stands up making it a weird optical illusion. Very neat move however.

[kommisar]

Is a Schawlbe just a Maltese?

What's the difference between Li Ning 1 and 2?

What exactly is a Russian giant? It looks just like a front giant on rings.

Is an O'Neil supposed to be a double lay-out? Looked more piked here.

[jparkdzg]

schwalbe i think might be a maltese press to planche (looked like he was going to but vid got cut?)

a russian giant starts and ends in an inverted cross, not handstand.

pretty sure an o'neil is just a double back within the rings. i dont think it matters if its piked, tucked, or laid out. even yang wei does one but keeps pressure on the rings.

[kommisar]

No idea on that Schwalbe still.

On the Russian giant, that just sounds like an inlocate. Maybe I don't understand THAT as well? Could you explain? I would appreciate it.

Mmm, no, a Guczoghy is a double back and I think it's still a Guczoghy if it's piked (only it's qualified as "piked Guczoghy" or "Guczoghy piked", whichever you prefer). An O'Neil from what I recall should be laid-out but I guess the guy here just does it a bit sloppy.

[jparkdzg]

Then i have no idea. initially i thought a russian giant was the same as on hb, but cant really tell by the video.

[kommisar]

Yeah, neither can I. Maybe it's the pike part that makes it a Russian giant? Looks like we need to ask a coach who's familiar with all these things. :(

[jparkdzg]

I looked much closer and did slight research. A Schwalbe is a maltese. Except it is the "real" name for it. Similar to a whip-it vs Honma.

And a russian giant is the same on rings as it is on high bar. Imagine a giant in the "skin the cat" position, if that makes sense (inlocated shoulders throughout the giant swing).

Not 100% but I'm pretty sure an O'Neil is a laid out Guczoghy. The video is seemingly right; the first back in most laid out doubles is usually hollowed through.

[kommisar]

I thought the "real" name for a Maltese was Swallow or something like that. I never even heard of Schwalbe until now. I assume it was named after someone named Schwalbe?

I think I understand what you mean about the Russian giant. Sorta hard to picture in my mind though and the video isn't that clear.

Agreed on the O'Neil thing. I've seen better. The guy just did it sloppy. Seen the same with double lay-outs off the rings.

[tsukbelle]

o'neil is jsut stretched

[Nilsnqe]

li ning 1 starts from a swing, li ning 2 starts from support, the li ning shown here is something in between. li ning 1 is B and li ning 2 is C. when preformed to cross they're respectivly C and D.

[akawhippy]

Hey that's my rope routine music?

[gymnova93]

who does that victorian?

[LFDYGymnast]

i believe that that is danny rodrigues, or something like that. i think he is from france

[klaustrogymn]

who is the guy doing Victorian

[prepster845]

i was always terrible at rings... these men are gods.

[natcomber13]

The victorian and the balandin look impossible!!!!