The thing that drives me crazy about so called "stuff white people like" is that when i start to get down on my horn really good the other musicians stop playing progression and just start playin all spaced out like in this piece and it drives me absolutely mad, cause when the count comes back around and it is time to go back to progression they are out in space for 15 minutes. so i start honking at them to get their attention and they just think i am gettin even more spacey i don't get it!
mna stop the politics.. trane took what was a commerical tune and made a progressive masterpiece from it.. far more interesting harmonically than my favorite things.. and this live version is priceless and I for one am very grateful to have it! thanks so much for posting this and making it available to us man..
@adsicks Jimmy Page is great! And I'm sure John Coltrane would have said so. Late 60s rock guitarists were closer to Coltrane's aesthetic than most fusion guitarists were. Jimi Hendrix wasn't as great a guitarist as Coltrane was a saxophonist, but he also died at 27.
This is a great performance that I certainly could not find anywhere else. Thanks so much for sharing. Coltrane is king. The Tyner solo is very unique compared to his many other great solos. I wanted to comment in defense of the song and Coltrane's willingness to play it. The song is in Mary Poppins and is sung by chimney sweeps in sooted black face at night. For me at least, it alludes to black portrayal in silent film and Ellison's Invisible Man. The song has some oblique significance.
I caught that too. I think it's like I said in the description. Sales are all based on the track listing. Even reviewers only half-seem to actually listen to it. Kind of disturbing that even less people like great art than pretend to!
I don't buy your argument about the omission of this track from the lastest Impulse! Half note release. Maybe you should ask Ravi Coltrane, who produced what I believe is the last Impulse! release("One Up One Down"),why this track was not included.Your "Stuff White People Like" comment is biased towards trying to create stereotypes I don't think has anything to do with music.I wonder if this Chim Chim Ree recording is any more or any less intense than the 27 minute "One up One Down" exploration.
look that's superficially possible, but they included a 29 minute "My Favorite Things" where the second Coltrane solo is totally excluded (it was never recorded), to the tragedy of art. It's horrible. This is like the My Favorite Things solo that doesn't exist. That horrible "My Favorite Things" is all cocktease. "Ask Ravi Coltrane"? The rich kid who wants to keep being rich? I get nothing out of loving John Coltrane, it's me you should be asking.
So are you saying that this track should have been included on the recording instead of the Favorite Things? Why didn't you say that in the first place instead of making this sweeping generalizating statements, that sounds to create bias and racist stereoptypes? Its an opininion, but I happen to like that Favorite things.
Also, why should I ask you anything regarding this release, and not Ravi, being that he was involve in the production? How to you know that the recording Ravi's got, ( alledged source of the One Up On Down material) has or doesn't have the 2nd Favortie things solo? Do you have the same material, with Alan Grant voice on it? These are facts that should be mentioned, instead of calling Ravi a " rich kid who wants to keep being rich" .
I don't understand how anyone receptive to the music and the spirit of John Coltrane can go in for this kind of crass insult of his son Ravi, or for that matter of anyone. Not to mention racial epithets. What is the point of that sort of ugliness? Especially in the context of John Coltrane. This is a great performance of Chim Chim Cheree, one of the finest recordings of him on soprano. I hope it will be properly released one day soon,
along with other material, like the tune called "Creation" that was once available on Blue Parrot records.
As for the tragedy of the incomplete recording of My Favorite Things, these recordings are derived from 50-minute-long live Friday night broadcasts from the Half Note, hosted by Alan Grant and broadcast, believe it or not, on WABC-FM..
Only the material that made it onto the air exists today, as far as we know. One Down, One Up, for all its length, is an incomplete performance, beginning at the end of a bass solo that was preceded by a McCoy Tyner solo and (almost certainly) a first Coltrane, not necessarily in that order.
We should be grateful for what we have. As for the insults and vituperation, please leave it behind.
@opinioninflicting A million thanks for posting this. I have no idea wtf Impulse is smoking. All this unreleased music is a goddam disgrace. And if Ravi's part of it he's a goddamn disgrace too, a disgrace to his mother and esp. his father. Bravo to you.
I came.
kmc56 5 months ago
Damn...this is soooo good...Thanks for posting this opinionflicting
tonyfreejazz20 1 year ago
Comparing John Coltrane to the Beatles is about as intelligent as comparing
Miles Davis to the Tokyo Hotel...
aurigadoc 1 year ago
de best to date
AmeenRaa 1 year ago
FLAWLESS SOPRANO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AmeenRaa 1 year ago
I love Liebman...but this is a whole other level.
Modes9 1 year ago
The thing that drives me crazy about so called "stuff white people like" is that when i start to get down on my horn really good the other musicians stop playing progression and just start playin all spaced out like in this piece and it drives me absolutely mad, cause when the count comes back around and it is time to go back to progression they are out in space for 15 minutes. so i start honking at them to get their attention and they just think i am gettin even more spacey i don't get it!
SaxmanNateEarthsong 1 year ago
@SaxmanNateEarthsong I need people who look at the lead player.
SaxmanNateEarthsong 1 year ago
It sounds like he's throwing in a few bits from a love supreme in the beginning of this part, I heard it a little in part 2 also.
Matlock665 2 years ago
Go listen to Jimmy page then.
kognac100 2 years ago
@kognac100 oh i wlll! and i did!
nyshoefly 2 years ago
Beautiful eastern sound of a beautiful western tune by a great master.
lljtam1960 2 years ago
mna stop the politics.. trane took what was a commerical tune and made a progressive masterpiece from it.. far more interesting harmonically than my favorite things.. and this live version is priceless and I for one am very grateful to have it! thanks so much for posting this and making it available to us man..
artistrapster 2 years ago
Jimmy Page plays a mean HORN!!
nyshoefly 2 years ago
Comparing Jimmy Page to John Coltrane is about as intelligent as comparing Blink 182 to The Beatles...
adsicks 2 years ago
@adsicks no man, im serious jimmy page plays a mean tenor
nyshoefly 2 years ago
@adsicks Jimmy Page is great! And I'm sure John Coltrane would have said so. Late 60s rock guitarists were closer to Coltrane's aesthetic than most fusion guitarists were. Jimi Hendrix wasn't as great a guitarist as Coltrane was a saxophonist, but he also died at 27.
opinioninflicting 1 year ago
This is a great performance that I certainly could not find anywhere else. Thanks so much for sharing. Coltrane is king. The Tyner solo is very unique compared to his many other great solos. I wanted to comment in defense of the song and Coltrane's willingness to play it. The song is in Mary Poppins and is sung by chimney sweeps in sooted black face at night. For me at least, it alludes to black portrayal in silent film and Ellison's Invisible Man. The song has some oblique significance.
hillpolecat 2 years ago
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JCBM231 3 years ago
thank you 4 posting this !
stedmondmike 3 years ago
more playing on the 'love supreme' motive. surprised impulse left this off the halfnote release
postmeback 3 years ago
I caught that too. I think it's like I said in the description. Sales are all based on the track listing. Even reviewers only half-seem to actually listen to it. Kind of disturbing that even less people like great art than pretend to!
opinioninflicting 3 years ago
I don't buy your argument about the omission of this track from the lastest Impulse! Half note release. Maybe you should ask Ravi Coltrane, who produced what I believe is the last Impulse! release("One Up One Down"),why this track was not included.Your "Stuff White People Like" comment is biased towards trying to create stereotypes I don't think has anything to do with music.I wonder if this Chim Chim Ree recording is any more or any less intense than the 27 minute "One up One Down" exploration.
JCBM231 3 years ago
look that's superficially possible, but they included a 29 minute "My Favorite Things" where the second Coltrane solo is totally excluded (it was never recorded), to the tragedy of art. It's horrible. This is like the My Favorite Things solo that doesn't exist. That horrible "My Favorite Things" is all cocktease. "Ask Ravi Coltrane"? The rich kid who wants to keep being rich? I get nothing out of loving John Coltrane, it's me you should be asking.
opinioninflicting 3 years ago
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So are you saying that this track should have been included on the recording instead of the Favorite Things? Why didn't you say that in the first place instead of making this sweeping generalizating statements, that sounds to create bias and racist stereoptypes? Its an opininion, but I happen to like that Favorite things.
JCBM231 3 years ago
Also, why should I ask you anything regarding this release, and not Ravi, being that he was involve in the production? How to you know that the recording Ravi's got, ( alledged source of the One Up On Down material) has or doesn't have the 2nd Favortie things solo? Do you have the same material, with Alan Grant voice on it? These are facts that should be mentioned, instead of calling Ravi a " rich kid who wants to keep being rich" .
JCBM231 3 years ago
I don't understand how anyone receptive to the music and the spirit of John Coltrane can go in for this kind of crass insult of his son Ravi, or for that matter of anyone. Not to mention racial epithets. What is the point of that sort of ugliness? Especially in the context of John Coltrane. This is a great performance of Chim Chim Cheree, one of the finest recordings of him on soprano. I hope it will be properly released one day soon,
RafiZabor 2 years ago 2
along with other material, like the tune called "Creation" that was once available on Blue Parrot records.
As for the tragedy of the incomplete recording of My Favorite Things, these recordings are derived from 50-minute-long live Friday night broadcasts from the Half Note, hosted by Alan Grant and broadcast, believe it or not, on WABC-FM..
RafiZabor 2 years ago
Only the material that made it onto the air exists today, as far as we know. One Down, One Up, for all its length, is an incomplete performance, beginning at the end of a bass solo that was preceded by a McCoy Tyner solo and (almost certainly) a first Coltrane, not necessarily in that order.
We should be grateful for what we have. As for the insults and vituperation, please leave it behind.
RafiZabor 2 years ago 2
@opinioninflicting A million thanks for posting this. I have no idea wtf Impulse is smoking. All this unreleased music is a goddam disgrace. And if Ravi's part of it he's a goddamn disgrace too, a disgrace to his mother and esp. his father. Bravo to you.
cavaleer 1 year ago