Everything in this world has a purpose, from ceilings to floors, from the sky to the ground. Everything. So what is the purpose of life for people overall?
@gangliums I see... So by my understanding you're not taking your life too serious, as when I opposed a serious question about life, you imitated the question in to a joke. I'm not debating here, I only want to know what you think the purpose of our existence living on this earth is. Look around my friend, the trees, the sun, the moon, sky everything around you. Examine it. Come to a conclusion, and tell me what you think.
@grimelately i'm sorry for sounding crass. I responded with a silly reply because I thought your question was rather silly. I don't think there is any objective purpose to life, because purpose is only something that exists inside minds. So sure you can give any purpose to life you want, and to you it will be the most real thing in the world, but my point is don't go out thinking its anything more than just that.
so in you're point view. since there is no purpose on life. people that are struggling in debt or having difficulties or whatever. they might aswell commit suicide then. you're saying life hasn't got a purpose. so what's of living if we're all living in a struggle? we should just do die then really. why did we end up here in the first place.? do we live to die?
It's also worth saying that the free market is not a random realm where all voluntary activity can occur. Markets are shaped by the choices of workers and consumers, and those choices are not always random or disorganized. Consumers may, for example, choose to boycott genetically modified food for health or environmental reasons. That's perfectly consistent with the free market, but there are definitely conscious collective choices being made.
I'm sorry, but your answer to the question about genetically modified food is a strawman. The question was not "should the government ban this food," but "do you want to eat this food." So do you?
@SgtCrom God sure exists that way, it has to, if only so that we can speak about it, just like the Tooth Fairy -- the question was whether God itself exist or not, which Stef succinctly answered :)
Occam's Razor says choose the simplest theory that has the greatest explanatory power, and besides the theory must be consistent and non-contradictory to begin with :)
Circumcision is some sick and nasty stuff. Im circumsized and I think next week im going to ask my mother about that day, if she ever considered not having me circumsized, did the doctor urge her to do it? etc....
At 25 its impossible to know if I would have turned out a different person had I not been circumsized, however there is no way in hell some sick penis cutter is getting anywhere near my kids.
@SgtCrom Yeah, I have a master's degree in philosophy, and Ayn Rand is not considered a good philosopher. She gives no justification for her "objectivisism," she just says it true because it is true. She has major circular logic.
@natedaug1 Yeah, because the university system, which is almost entirely funded by the state, would go out of its way to have students objectively study free market philosophers.
@SgtCrom Yeah, good comment. You can't really say from an inductive point whether God exists or not? The best you can hope for is agnostic useless you have complete awareness of all that exists in the universe, then being a strong atheist makes little sense. "The absence of evidence, doesn't equal the evidence of absence." We don't really know, in all honesty.
One of the problems is Islamic eschatology, Muslims believe in a World Islamic Order (Caliphate). After the Shah was ousted many were executed by Revolutionary Courts for "fighting against the Twelfth Imam"
"Would you grant anyone Power the right to deprive you of the things you need to Survive?
No."
I think the point might have been missed.
Is this a property rights question?
What if the person grew food for his family and you were starving? Would you grant them the right to keep their property or are you right to taking it because you are more needy? I think that is what the person was saying.
Sam Harris??? Why, so that we can continue war with the Middle East? Have you read "End of Faith"? Sam Harris is quite militant in his anti-islamic sentiment and lust for a globalist government. I agree with his distaste for Sharia, but his makes it very clear that he supports violent force. I like Sam Harris' unequivocating views on Atheism, but politically he's a MESS. I'd love to hear you debate him on political topics actually.
Hi Stefan. Love your videos and would love to hear more of your views on peaceful parenting, about educating children on how to deal with the school system, rather than fearing it
.... food for thought.
thanks for all this wonderful free material. Dont be too worried bout the state of things bro, you're doing a great job and soon the good will prevail, we only have to endure the madness for a little while longer then the tyrrants will be history:)
I agree with almost everything you say. we as societies are brainwashed by our governments on behalf of the mega rich, the mega rich obviously influence government policy. its a sick messed up world, and its always the less privileged in society that suffers and pays the cost, in some countries with their lives. I also hate violence, but would gladly execute gw bush and others that condone war and mass suffering. this would itself, count as an act of humanity.
now I'm SURE you've covered this ad nauseum, but how do you forsee child abuse being regulated in a stateless soceity, assuming that not everyone becomes your ideal 'libertarian man' and by extension, parent?
1. I don't forsee people abandoning the state unless the majority of people abandon the use of violence, threats, aggression, bullying etc. and become stefs ideal 'libertarian parent'
2. I don't think child abuse is dealt with very well now, either, so I don't think anyone can hold it against the stateless society for not being perfect as long as its an improvement.
@StatelessEuphoria When you're talking about visible mechanism are you referring to the current system? Because I'd rather no system at all rather than one that appears to be a solution but actually makes it worse in most parts. The CPA is no friend of children...
I'd rather it be universally known that children are vulnerable to abuse rather than the current system, which mostly just stuffs it under the carpet at best and actively requires it to function at the worst.
The fraudulent nature of the official story behind 911 is not difficult to prove. It takes a bit of research, sure,especially when cross-checking with counter arguments, but Richard Gage conclusively, scientifically demonstrates the fraudulent nature of the official story in his 2 hour lecture.And it doesn't require scientific expertise - a basic understanding of physics at a high school level is really all that is needed.
If this type of philosophy was in action. Their would be havoc. A simple example would be, if there was anti againg cure. Could you imagine the economy then? Its a stupid question and shouldn't be answered.
I agree with few of his ideas, especially about religion. But his thoughts about politics, economics, law and state are just stupid, or naive to say the least.
@MrBasofia "But his thoughts about politics, economics, law and state are just stupid, or naive to say the least."
I think it's the height of naivety to give a large organization of people the exclusive moral authority to use violence, threats, and bullying to solve social problems, and then expect much good to come out of it.
@HeyItzMeDawg Imagine a lawless and stateless world... it's just impossible, human nature makes it impossible. From civilised Denmark, to powerful USA, to emerging Latin America, to retarded Congo, we all need a state and laws to keep the social order. I bet that a hypothetical stateless and lawless Denmark would be a chaos within days. State and law are necessary and desirable
@MrBasofia You're thinking social co-operation, not law. If I want to do a business deal with you and we sign a contract, my trustworthiness today is centrally backed by the state; if I don't follow through then the state attempts to rectify it. That's not the only method; though.
See /watch?v=o0TBE-pcEi0 and lostlibertycafe(dot)com/index.php/stefan-molyneux-archives/
Human nature is to co-operate for survival and joint prosperity as much as it is to backstab others for a petty benefit.
@HeyItzMeDawg No, I'm thinking about murderers, sex abusers, thieves, corrupted politicians and so on. You can find that kind of people in every country in the world. And if that is actually a big problem having laws and state, imagine the world without them. Fortunately the majority of the population is nice a decent but a criminal minority can make a total chaos
@includao I don't think that RP would turn the US into a theocratic state overnight, but would continue to move it in that direction. This is the price the US will pay, for his better stance on other liberty issues. He will be able to get the US out of it's immoral wars, but more economic freedom will mostly be at the mercy of congress. He, like US citizens, will have to beg them for their freedoms.
@radscorpion8 "User radscorpion8 has enabled friend lock. You will not be able to send messages to them unless they add you as a friend." You'll need to add me to get the PM I just typed for your question. I saved my answer so when you do I'll send it to you.
@radscorpion8 Well please don't take me as someone who has studied this stuff in too much detail--I'm a 19-year-old mechanical engineering student who barely knew what a democrat or republican was two years ago as I entered my senior year of high school :-). I have grown passionate in recent months about figuring out how a society might function while most people following the non-aggression principle, however, and I am glad to try to answer your question. I'll PM you due to length.
Would you have donated a penny to Ron Paul's fundraising if you were eligible to donate, if it was called Money Peace flower peaches and cream and you have a trillion dollars in the bank so my hardship excuse?
Because after a few hrs reading through your website, I have come to the conclusion that you guys over there think Ron Paul presidency is just about the worst thing short from a nuclear apocalypse that would happen to the world.
Oh yea, to balance out Ron's religious beliefs (which btw he tries as much as possible to separate from his politics) stef chooses an Islamophobic, statist (worships the state), hardcore socialist in Sam Harris as VP. Cos in the mind of a person so blinded by his hatred of Christianity (and I guess Islam too), state worship is the only suitable balance for Christianity.
Please balance this video out by reading "Why even an anarchist should vote for Ron Paul" by Tom Woods.
@stefbot Without laws, you have nothing but chaos. Every serial killer, rapist etc etc would do as they please. You make no fucking sense man with your no law bullshit . Get a grip
@garethwilliams2003 You should join the military then :-). The military kills people for fun. Caveat: you might be killed -- which would be fitting and just given your desires.
@garethwilliams2003 Yes and if you join the State army you'll be worshiped by millions of ``patriotic`` idiots for your murders. So no, actually you love the state and its ``law``.
@thegillotine09 Your "absolute strawman" at hcpride03 was on uncalled for as well as how you put quotations around the word 'questions' as if hcpride03's questions weren't legitimate. I think it's rare to find people as curious and honestly interested as Hcpride03 appears to be in learning about how a society might function in which its the norm to follow the non-aggression principle and disrespectful comments like yours might just drive him and others like him away.
@Hcpride03 Stefan Molyneux describes his idea of Dispute Resolution Organizations (DROs) which could deal with crimes ranging from polluting someone's air to dealing with murderers in his book Practical Anarchy ( you can find the pdf for free at freedomainradio doot com/FreeBooks/PracticalAnarchy.aspx )
I would read "The Stateless Society: An Examination of Alternatives" starting on page 74 through page 85 for a good introduction to dealing with criminals without "laws."
@WelcometotheUnknown Just a quick question for someone who has studied this stuff in detail; there doesn't seem to be any examples of anarchies in history lasting very long. Inevitably some power structure arose or was put in place. Why do you think this is, what makes you certain (as an anarchist, I assume) that you can prevent this from happening again, and do you believe that its related to human nature, or that it can be "educated" out of us (as Stefan believes, its all about parenting)?
How do you justify "no laws" excuse my naivety, but what would stop people from rape murder pillage? There has to be some social order or do you suggest we lynch, burn or weigh against a duck every witch with a false nose who commits an immoral act!? Are you assuming under "no laws" people will just "get it" and not want to do these things because there is no cause for rebellion?
Stef why couldn't you have said that you cannot donate to any money bombs since you are a foreigner? that would be a much safer answer to ur safe Q&A. God know you are too square to step out of the state enacted box.
Stef brand just like any company hates competition, the less free we are, the greater his influence and thats why he rather see us live this way than move even 1 inch to the liberty side. Good on you Stef, make ur money & protect that brand, I just hope people see thru your BS.
Another problem with this video I noticed is, why did stef answer the VP question with a real name? he gave a non answer for who he supported for republican nomination, and non answer for every other political question that should have been Gary Johnson or Ron Paul, but for VP, he gives us the name of an Islamophobic, socialist, atheist intellectual to govern us.
What is going on here? I hope more people would listen to people like Tom Woods for voting advise. One lives in the real world and .
ABout 4% of the US population are sociopaths....how does a free society deal with sociopaths? I think that a free society would have less problems dealing with them because it should take away their ability to get into positions of power where they can do the most damage...and hopefully in a free society....one with less child abuse hopefully the percentage would go down since only 50% of sociopathy is genetic....what's your take?
what a fucking moron this man is. He believes change only comes with education and not through voting. Someone should tell him that the state educates more people in less than he or any group in the liberty society can . This is our chance to beat them with on their home court.
People like the dufus above is the reason why the whole anarchist/liberty community would never amount to change. All we cant to do is talk and feel good about ourselves but lets never ever vote cos they are all the same
@Bigwheels161616 Voting is a pathetic begging for keeping what's already ours by natural right. And an acknowledgement of the systems validity ,when it is not valid at all. I'm not completely against it for libertarians who would use it only for harm reduction. However makes ZERO sense at a national level for Libertarians to waste their time trying to affect change through politics, because their numbers are too small 3-5% of the vote does NOTHING.
@Bigwheels161616 Beyond individual education, civil disobedience is way for Anarchist activist to make change; even a very small number of people (in contrast to the numbers required for voting) practice civil disobedience can completely clog the wheels of the state.. It's impossible to enforce laws which everyone openly breaks purposefully , also civil disobedience is an education tool that shows the gun in the room; that the government are the aggressors initiating the violence.
Finally, you talk about willful ignore right? Why cant you do the little research about 911. Its not rocket science, just to the little home work involved and stop being a sheep. And yes it makes a big difference if it was a controlled demolition instead of incompetence.
Pick up your physics text and so some elementary reading on gravity. But I guess you rather do the PC thing and stay away because it is considered conspiracy. Heck, Sam Harris may never talk to u now if u hold such unPC views
Also about Sam Harris and balancing out religion. I think its actually more stupid to believe that 72 virgin reward is the main reason suicide bombers blow themselves than to believe in an invisible friend. My guess is that Sam Harris would probably start a huge war to rid ourselves of such crazy manics.
Stef is becoming the intellectual Alex Jones, cry the world is falling while ignoring the easier and more attainable fix at our disposal.
Anyone else find it odd that a man(stefbot) who is so opposed to politics/politicians/political process would speak at an event run by people dedicated to changing society thru the political process. We need to inform him of the goals of free state project run Porkfest..
Jk, he is probably too arrogant to care or just smart enough to know that if we ever elected a true liberty loving president, his little gig of making speeches and feeling important would be over.
"So you're confidant that RP will leave his religion at the door of the White House?"
He ALREADY HAS for nearly 4 decades; he has never introduced or voted on any bill that'd shove religion down people's throats. Why don't you do some research, pal; he staunchly defended freedom of religion when it came to ground-zero mosque, even though it wasn't a popular position to take.
It's naive to say abortion is solely a "religious issue". I myself am an agnostic, never had anything to do with religion & yet I'm pro-life too because I think even embryo has right to, does that make me "religious" too?
HUGE chunk of Ron's base is atheist/agnostic/non-religious because he's freedom-love, NOT a "Bible-thumper"; look at this poll ronpaulforum - tinyurl(dot)com/3ur6pqy
He has many pro-choice supporters too because he does NOT believe in FEDERAL ban on abortion.
@lomocan Given his fundamentalist christrian nature, it would be naive to assume that his motivation isn't religious. Why other people choose pro-life/pro-choice or support RP is irrelevant to the discussion of RP. This act also imposes his interpretation of the constitution using federal law because he didn't like what the supreme court ruled. The appropriate place for that is the constitutional courts. Hardly an encouraging sign for "Mr Constitution".
@lomocan He also believes in Intelligent Design and has specifically singled out the Theory of Evolution amongst all science taught in schools where criticisms of it should be taught. He also wants abstinence only education to have equal footing with contraceptive education even though medical data is already showing that abstinence only programs result in more unwanted pregnancies and STD's, and he's supposed to be a doctor! Still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt?
@lomocan He also thinks that prohibition laws should be determined at the state level, which means he is happy to have state government impinge unjustly on people's freedom, which means he is not pro-liberty even if he is against the war on drugs in principle. He's just hiding behind the constitution and passing the buck on people's liberty to someone else. He should be arguing that NOBODY gets to impinge on freedom this way. This is why the constitution is only good for toilet paper.
Well, if a people in a state don't want prohibition then they should vote for state representatives that support it & holds true for most things.
Just because there're people like you who think "Constitution is worth toilet paper" that we've this uncontrolled govt.
And I think you're an anarchist, if that's the case then you should realize Ron has already talked about people being allowed to opt out of citizenship
@lomocan I just saw Ron Paul's opt out speech. It's only partial financial opt-out. There is more to liberty than government armed robbery. I'd still be paying for, and being subject to immorality (government).
Don't you want a system with better odds for your liberty than that? Why are you advocating the national equivalent of the Mafia? What control do you really think you have over our slavery? Can Ron Paul allow you to opt-out of slavery? Will he let you?
I don't think there's a better system that minarchy, I don't think anarchy is sustainable, may be I'm wrong about that but if one thinks that we're just going to go from strong-statism that we've (where people're completely dependent on govt) to peaceful anarchy then that's just chimeric; govt isn't going to go away overnight, it'd've to be shrunk to minarchy first & then & only then will anarchy be seen as an option by the masses & ATM Ron is the only one wanting to shrink it
anyone who follows this youtube channel (or is at all informed about philosophy) could have answered a lot of those questions, but good for new people I guess
@ZarlanTheGreen Try not paying your taxes and then see what (eventually) will happen to you. Force will be used to get you to pay them. Physical force if necessary.
@ZarlanTheGreen If somebody comes to take something from you by force, you can (if you want) legitemately stop them using force. The crime is not you defending yourself, but someone using force in the first place. Just because the government asks nicely first does not make it okay. If you will suffer the consequences of force if you choose not to pay then it is armed robbery.
Your mafia anology is perfect. Pay up or something bad will happen to you. if you refuse or resist.
@amlorusso "If you will suffer the consequences of force if you choose not to pay then it is armed robbery."
1. They don't use force, unless you do so first. Stop lying and start using your brain.
2. Taxes are payment for services you are already receiving (short version: living in a civilized country). To not pay taxes is essentially the same as eating at a restaurant, and then leave without paying.
Do you mean to say that those who "dine and dash", shouldn't be regarded as criminal?
@ZarlanTheGreen 1. A man walks up to you and asks you for some money. You say no. They take a gun out and take your wallet. The fact that they will quite happily take your money for free without force doesn't change the that they plan to take it by force if you don't give it up voluntarily.
2. A man cleans your window without asking. Then demands money. If you pay up he takes the money. If you don't he pulls out a gun and takes it anyway. Nobody asked me if I wanted any of the things being done
@ZarlanTheGreen Yes, they use force. You know it. Stop denying. Taxes are not payment for servics already received -- taxes are charged on you whether the service is provided or not. You know it. Stop denying.
Can I choose not to pay for and endorse government activities that don't help me and that I strongly agree with? Such as fighting pointless wars halfway across the country and imprisoning a million people for nonviolent crimes?
Toro953 is LYING about having had both or about being just as good without a foreskin!
As the owner of a foreskin I can testify that foreskin stimulation feels amazing and that I can just about get off by manipulating the foreskin alone.
Listen to this man's testimony: /watch?v=NAHGFx95D80
@Sivels Damn, u hit me bullseye with that 1 straight out, I was hoping to get away with it for a while before some1 said it!
It's a real puzzle isn't it, I'm still working on it ... must be an answer
U can dodge down the Cronus argument, but sooner or later u run up against it
U could say the Almighty was forged from the elements ... but then u have a situation where that requires say at least atomic structure & the laws of physics to pre-exist, which then asks the ? - what created them? : /
@SomethingSea1 Yep, I see yr point of thinking outside of the mental box we may be in, but I'm uneasy with it coz I think it too easily leads to illogicality & excuses for not having an explanation
I base myself on the world I see about me, ie a physical process of cause & effect which is linear in execution, ie. time, I don't think this paradigm we're in is separate in nature from its origin, but u maybe right, it may take a break in logic to answer the big 1, ie what began the beginning?
@kcirdrab "but I'm uneasy with it coz I think it too easily leads to illogicality & excuses for not having an explanation"
Perhaps you could explain this some more.
"it may take a break in logic to answer the big 1, ie what began the beginning?"
No, not a break in logic. Quantum mechanics is based in empirical evidence. Was it a break in logic to say that the earth rotates around the sun? Perhaps for the religious. But that merely showed some of our assumptions and anthropocentric.
@SomethingSea1 No u misunderstand my point, the break in logic I'm talking about didn't refer to spirituality, as the ? would still apply even there, it meant a logical answer to what created creation/God that isn't linear logic, ie. cause & effect, some sort of radical jump that isn't obvious at the moment
@SomethingSea1 Ok let's test this logic a little. What r the fractals u talk of comprised; or alternatively how can something exist without having a beginning. ie. it just "is"?
And lastly, what with the non answers to a good chunk of the serious questions. If you don't have an answer, why not just pass on it. Heaven knows that would be infinitely better than patronizing us with silly and childish answers.
Yea, Sam Harris the guy who believes 72 virgin reward is the reason why Islamic terrorists attack the US. That is the guy Stef wants to balance Ron Paul's religious stance which I might add he tends to keep to himself.
In a way am happy I now know how you feel about metaphors and word plays since I was going to donate a ARRESTed development season 1 DVD to you. I guess you cant have any of it now since it has the word arrested in it.
This is what frustrates me with people like Stef. They think this society would quietly devolve into anarchism, for him, any gradual process like electing a liberty candidate, implementing nullification and greater state and local autonomy is not an option, its my way or the highway.
Lets just hope many american voters are not listening to him because it is either a crash or gradual change(which may also result in a crash but at less severe and dstructive one)
@uche007us VOTE FOR MORE LIBERTY 1789! You tried that for over 200 years, and it turned into what you have now, and Ron Paul's precious constitution didn't do a damn thing to stop it. Laws don't make people free only morality does, and morality is lacking in spades in the idea that armed robbery (otherwise known as taxation) is okay, one of the many statist evils that is acceptable to Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is not a gateway drug to Liberty, but a continued addiction to the state.
"Ron Paul is not a gateway drug to Liberty, but a continued addiction to the state"
If you think just ignoring the state is going to make it go away is absolute foolishness. All they need is a some % of the freeloaders to keep voting & democracy will go on forever. If you think (like this guy does) that while there's public education that people'll just decide to be anarchists all of a sudden then that's a pipe-dream. Only way to anarchy is a gradual transition thru minarchy.
@lomocan Teaching people that the state is good will transition people to abandoning the state? The last 200+ years are evidence that minarchism leads towards a more authoritarian state not less.
While I don't agree with all his comments (I am more afraid of private education-for-profit-and-indoctrination than of public education-and-indoctrination with some degree of oversight, it is far easier to propagandize children with nobody looking over your shoulder but the choir)he has a lot of value.
I now now what I am - a philosophical anarchist. (He seems to believe in free market laissez-faire, though, which is, IMHO, one of the primary problems we're dealing with.)
@thesoundsmith Indoctrination of children to accept the state is the only purpose of public education, and with it the government wins by default, no matter what degree of 'oversight' there is. In a voluntary society even if the children were 100% 'indoctrinated', without the guns of government they could do no more harm than criminals do today.
The only point with which I disagree is the God one. I believe in Jesus Christ. I think the problem lies in the set up of most churches; the preachers as head. I am opposed to human authority in all its forms outside of the family unit. It sure makes finding a place to worship, especially on Saturday, hard to find. Yes, Saturday because Sunday worship isn't Biblical.
I just thought you would like to know you don't just have atheist viewers.
Everything in this world has a purpose, from ceilings to floors, from the sky to the ground. Everything. So what is the purpose of life for people overall?
grimelately 1 week ago
@grimelately what is the purpose of man nipples?
gangliums 1 week ago
@gangliums purple nurples.
eleutheromaniac 5 days ago
@gangliums I see... So by my understanding you're not taking your life too serious, as when I opposed a serious question about life, you imitated the question in to a joke. I'm not debating here, I only want to know what you think the purpose of our existence living on this earth is. Look around my friend, the trees, the sun, the moon, sky everything around you. Examine it. Come to a conclusion, and tell me what you think.
grimelately 1 day ago
@grimelately i'm sorry for sounding crass. I responded with a silly reply because I thought your question was rather silly. I don't think there is any objective purpose to life, because purpose is only something that exists inside minds. So sure you can give any purpose to life you want, and to you it will be the most real thing in the world, but my point is don't go out thinking its anything more than just that.
gangliums 23 hours ago
so in you're point view. since there is no purpose on life. people that are struggling in debt or having difficulties or whatever. they might aswell commit suicide then. you're saying life hasn't got a purpose. so what's of living if we're all living in a struggle? we should just do die then really. why did we end up here in the first place.? do we live to die?
grimelately 1 hour ago
I agree with all of it except the anime girls.
rodrigodet 2 weeks ago
Masters in history and pushes HOLOHOAX.
Nah Stef ......... you sound good but one bite and you wind up with a mouth full of shit.
northpal1 2 weeks ago
good work
shared
RefugeeT 1 month ago
What would prevent the free market companies from continuing to rape 3rd world countries and setting up more sweatshops?
Laoch111 1 month ago
@Laoch111 you
Lonewolf072 1 week ago
I'm gonna take this totally autistically, but all parts of the movie are important.
Icomposeme 2 months ago
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blueoceanmis30 2 months ago
GANDALF FOR PRESIDENT.
I would actually vote for Gandalf.
dyne313 2 months ago
@dyne313
It's not that simple.
Gandalf the White? Yes.
Gandalf the Grey? No. Might as well vote for mr. potatohead in that case.
SlipAllCityToy 1 month ago
Hi Stef, random philosophy question here: What is Love and where can we find it?
thebloads 4 months ago
It's also worth saying that the free market is not a random realm where all voluntary activity can occur. Markets are shaped by the choices of workers and consumers, and those choices are not always random or disorganized. Consumers may, for example, choose to boycott genetically modified food for health or environmental reasons. That's perfectly consistent with the free market, but there are definitely conscious collective choices being made.
QuatFax 5 months ago
I'm sorry, but your answer to the question about genetically modified food is a strawman. The question was not "should the government ban this food," but "do you want to eat this food." So do you?
QuatFax 5 months ago
@SgtCrom God sure exists that way, it has to, if only so that we can speak about it, just like the Tooth Fairy -- the question was whether God itself exist or not, which Stef succinctly answered :)
Occam's Razor says choose the simplest theory that has the greatest explanatory power, and besides the theory must be consistent and non-contradictory to begin with :)
woodsmailbox1 5 months ago
Circumcision is some sick and nasty stuff. Im circumsized and I think next week im going to ask my mother about that day, if she ever considered not having me circumsized, did the doctor urge her to do it? etc....
At 25 its impossible to know if I would have turned out a different person had I not been circumsized, however there is no way in hell some sick penis cutter is getting anywhere near my kids.
Equity213 5 months ago
@SgtCrom Yeah, I have a master's degree in philosophy, and Ayn Rand is not considered a good philosopher. She gives no justification for her "objectivisism," she just says it true because it is true. She has major circular logic.
natedaug1 5 months ago
@natedaug1 Yeah, because the university system, which is almost entirely funded by the state, would go out of its way to have students objectively study free market philosophers.
FUZZYisBIG 2 months ago
@SgtCrom Yeah, good comment. You can't really say from an inductive point whether God exists or not? The best you can hope for is agnostic useless you have complete awareness of all that exists in the universe, then being a strong atheist makes little sense. "The absence of evidence, doesn't equal the evidence of absence." We don't really know, in all honesty.
natedaug1 5 months ago
is there a god? no.
hilarious
sleeplessmind 5 months ago
Gandalf 2012
Who's with me?
SlipAllCityToy 5 months ago
END CIRCUMCISION!
gingowitch 6 months ago
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One of the problems is Islamic eschatology, Muslims believe in a World Islamic Order (Caliphate). After the Shah was ousted many were executed by Revolutionary Courts for "fighting against the Twelfth Imam"
Islamic Caliphate Conference 2011watch?v=CftifoIw7QI
GOOGLE:
1) Muslim Group Seeks Islamic World Order
2) Interview with an Islamist
The Coming is Upon Us watch?v=WwiadYT-N9k
Why did Muslims hate America in 1783? watch?v=vUuH2G7dPFk
TheDynamiteGeneral 6 months ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
"Would you grant anyone Power the right to deprive you of the things you need to Survive?
No."
I think the point might have been missed.
Is this a property rights question?
What if the person grew food for his family and you were starving? Would you grant them the right to keep their property or are you right to taking it because you are more needy? I think that is what the person was saying.
ronwandell 8 months ago
"Is there a God"?
Here's the real answer : FUCK NO
HomePersonalSecurity 8 months ago
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KidEatingClown 8 months ago
Sam Harris??? Why, so that we can continue war with the Middle East? Have you read "End of Faith"? Sam Harris is quite militant in his anti-islamic sentiment and lust for a globalist government. I agree with his distaste for Sharia, but his makes it very clear that he supports violent force. I like Sam Harris' unequivocating views on Atheism, but politically he's a MESS. I'd love to hear you debate him on political topics actually.
tocardx 8 months ago
Hi Stefan. Love your videos and would love to hear more of your views on peaceful parenting, about educating children on how to deal with the school system, rather than fearing it
.... food for thought.
thanks for all this wonderful free material. Dont be too worried bout the state of things bro, you're doing a great job and soon the good will prevail, we only have to endure the madness for a little while longer then the tyrrants will be history:)
loodimity 8 months ago
I agree with almost everything you say. we as societies are brainwashed by our governments on behalf of the mega rich, the mega rich obviously influence government policy. its a sick messed up world, and its always the less privileged in society that suffers and pays the cost, in some countries with their lives. I also hate violence, but would gladly execute gw bush and others that condone war and mass suffering. this would itself, count as an act of humanity.
jancrowb 8 months ago
now I'm SURE you've covered this ad nauseum, but how do you forsee child abuse being regulated in a stateless soceity, assuming that not everyone becomes your ideal 'libertarian man' and by extension, parent?
StatelessEuphoria 8 months ago
@StatelessEuphoria I would respond to that in two ways:
1. I don't forsee people abandoning the state unless the majority of people abandon the use of violence, threats, aggression, bullying etc. and become stefs ideal 'libertarian parent'
2. I don't think child abuse is dealt with very well now, either, so I don't think anyone can hold it against the stateless society for not being perfect as long as its an improvement.
HeyItzMeDawg 8 months ago
@HeyItzMeDawg
its not perfect but there is at least, in theory, a visible mechanism.
StatelessEuphoria 8 months ago
@StatelessEuphoria When you're talking about visible mechanism are you referring to the current system? Because I'd rather no system at all rather than one that appears to be a solution but actually makes it worse in most parts. The CPA is no friend of children...
I'd rather it be universally known that children are vulnerable to abuse rather than the current system, which mostly just stuffs it under the carpet at best and actively requires it to function at the worst.
HeyItzMeDawg 8 months ago
The fraudulent nature of the official story behind 911 is not difficult to prove. It takes a bit of research, sure,especially when cross-checking with counter arguments, but Richard Gage conclusively, scientifically demonstrates the fraudulent nature of the official story in his 2 hour lecture.And it doesn't require scientific expertise - a basic understanding of physics at a high school level is really all that is needed.
techjunkie92 8 months ago
Absolutely with Gandalf for 2012.
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Travis123086 8 months ago
Thank you so much for your wisdom and for helping to open my and alot of other peoples eyes to the truth. You have a way with words!
CaniPaul1 8 months ago
If this type of philosophy was in action. Their would be havoc. A simple example would be, if there was anti againg cure. Could you imagine the economy then? Its a stupid question and shouldn't be answered.
JimmyGunXD556 8 months ago
I've only just started to watch your videos, so if this has been stated elsewhere, I apologize.
What is your opinion of college?
ProTK422 8 months ago
We don't need laws. We need morals, respect, understanding, and education.
PatrickLeonDotCom 8 months ago
38 Philosophy Questions:
...Do you find anime girls to be sexy?
...What is your preferred web browser?
Genovit 9 months ago
This guy makes some interesting points, but also speaks a lot of crap.
" Politicians need to put their guns down " Lol, wtf ?
" I don't believe in laws " Oh so lets let all the criminals run loose and do as they please so eh ? bullshit .
shepspur81 9 months ago
@shepspur81
"Oh so lets let all the criminals run loose and do as they please so eh"
Or we could elect them to public office.
thegillotine09 8 months ago
I agree with few of his ideas, especially about religion. But his thoughts about politics, economics, law and state are just stupid, or naive to say the least.
MrBasofia 9 months ago
@MrBasofia "But his thoughts about politics, economics, law and state are just stupid, or naive to say the least."
I think it's the height of naivety to give a large organization of people the exclusive moral authority to use violence, threats, and bullying to solve social problems, and then expect much good to come out of it.
HeyItzMeDawg 8 months ago
@HeyItzMeDawg Imagine a lawless and stateless world... it's just impossible, human nature makes it impossible. From civilised Denmark, to powerful USA, to emerging Latin America, to retarded Congo, we all need a state and laws to keep the social order. I bet that a hypothetical stateless and lawless Denmark would be a chaos within days. State and law are necessary and desirable
MrBasofia 8 months ago
@MrBasofia You're thinking social co-operation, not law. If I want to do a business deal with you and we sign a contract, my trustworthiness today is centrally backed by the state; if I don't follow through then the state attempts to rectify it. That's not the only method; though.
See /watch?v=o0TBE-pcEi0 and lostlibertycafe(dot)com/index.php/stefan-molyneux-archives/
Human nature is to co-operate for survival and joint prosperity as much as it is to backstab others for a petty benefit.
HeyItzMeDawg 8 months ago
@HeyItzMeDawg No, I'm thinking about murderers, sex abusers, thieves, corrupted politicians and so on. You can find that kind of people in every country in the world. And if that is actually a big problem having laws and state, imagine the world without them. Fortunately the majority of the population is nice a decent but a criminal minority can make a total chaos
MrBasofia 8 months ago
@amlorusso Good to know that someone is still aware of Ron Paul's religious fundamentalist..
includao 9 months ago
@includao I don't think that RP would turn the US into a theocratic state overnight, but would continue to move it in that direction. This is the price the US will pay, for his better stance on other liberty issues. He will be able to get the US out of it's immoral wars, but more economic freedom will mostly be at the mercy of congress. He, like US citizens, will have to beg them for their freedoms.
amlorusso 8 months ago
Stef, if you were 23 years old, and a hot chick, id marry you. I am inlove with your brain :D
PaperSoapy 9 months ago
Man, I LOVE Rothbard's historical writings!
tapary 9 months ago
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@radscorpion8 "User radscorpion8 has enabled friend lock. You will not be able to send messages to them unless they add you as a friend." You'll need to add me to get the PM I just typed for your question. I saved my answer so when you do I'll send it to you.
WelcometotheUnknown 9 months ago
@radscorpion8 Well please don't take me as someone who has studied this stuff in too much detail--I'm a 19-year-old mechanical engineering student who barely knew what a democrat or republican was two years ago as I entered my senior year of high school :-). I have grown passionate in recent months about figuring out how a society might function while most people following the non-aggression principle, however, and I am glad to try to answer your question. I'll PM you due to length.
WelcometotheUnknown 9 months ago
Here again with a question
Would you have donated a penny to Ron Paul's fundraising if you were eligible to donate, if it was called Money Peace flower peaches and cream and you have a trillion dollars in the bank so my hardship excuse?
Because after a few hrs reading through your website, I have come to the conclusion that you guys over there think Ron Paul presidency is just about the worst thing short from a nuclear apocalypse that would happen to the world.
uche007us 9 months ago
Oh yea, to balance out Ron's religious beliefs (which btw he tries as much as possible to separate from his politics) stef chooses an Islamophobic, statist (worships the state), hardcore socialist in Sam Harris as VP. Cos in the mind of a person so blinded by his hatred of Christianity (and I guess Islam too), state worship is the only suitable balance for Christianity.
Please balance this video out by reading "Why even an anarchist should vote for Ron Paul" by Tom Woods.
uche007us 9 months ago
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I like his no law idea. I fucking love murdering people.
All hail this guy
garethwilliams2003 9 months ago
@garethwilliams2003 well u can do that now, just join the state army
stefbot 9 months ago 71
@stefbot What other options are there to sanction criminals if you hate the law?
sreychresse 9 months ago
@sreychresse self-defense organizations
rinkuhero 9 months ago
@stefbot Without laws, you have nothing but chaos. Every serial killer, rapist etc etc would do as they please. You make no fucking sense man with your no law bullshit . Get a grip
shepspur81 8 months ago
@stefbot Do you believe Ron Paul is just making cheap promises to win the Presidential Election?
EXTREMECHAOS94 8 months ago
@garethwilliams2003 You should join the military then :-). The military kills people for fun. Caveat: you might be killed -- which would be fitting and just given your desires.
RuddODragonFear 9 months ago
@garethwilliams2003 Yes and if you join the State army you'll be worshiped by millions of ``patriotic`` idiots for your murders. So no, actually you love the state and its ``law``.
AcresofAnarchy 8 months ago
@AcresofAnarchy you appear to have missed the blatant sarcasm in my post. Not sure how... maybe you are retarded?
garethwilliams2003 8 months ago
@garethwilliams2003 I'm guessing Rape is number 2.
HomePersonalSecurity 8 months ago
Love it! The only way to balance the herculean efforts of making the world a better place is with humor. Thanks, Stef.
OregonCoastGhost 9 months ago
This guy sounds like Hannibal Lecter.
mondiablue 9 months ago
@thegillotine09 Your "absolute strawman" at hcpride03 was on uncalled for as well as how you put quotations around the word 'questions' as if hcpride03's questions weren't legitimate. I think it's rare to find people as curious and honestly interested as Hcpride03 appears to be in learning about how a society might function in which its the norm to follow the non-aggression principle and disrespectful comments like yours might just drive him and others like him away.
WelcometotheUnknown 9 months ago
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@WelcometotheUnknown
"do you suggest we lynch, burn or weigh against a duck every witch with a false nose who commits an immoral act!?"
Is a strawman and not a serious question.
thegillotine09 9 months ago
@Hcpride03 Stefan Molyneux describes his idea of Dispute Resolution Organizations (DROs) which could deal with crimes ranging from polluting someone's air to dealing with murderers in his book Practical Anarchy ( you can find the pdf for free at freedomainradio doot com/FreeBooks/PracticalAnarchy.aspx )
I would read "The Stateless Society: An Examination of Alternatives" starting on page 74 through page 85 for a good introduction to dealing with criminals without "laws."
WelcometotheUnknown 9 months ago 2
@WelcometotheUnknown Just a quick question for someone who has studied this stuff in detail; there doesn't seem to be any examples of anarchies in history lasting very long. Inevitably some power structure arose or was put in place. Why do you think this is, what makes you certain (as an anarchist, I assume) that you can prevent this from happening again, and do you believe that its related to human nature, or that it can be "educated" out of us (as Stefan believes, its all about parenting)?
radscorpion8 9 months ago
@radscorpion8 Its ok if its too long to answer. Just curious; you can PM me if you want!
radscorpion8 9 months ago
How do you justify "no laws" excuse my naivety, but what would stop people from rape murder pillage? There has to be some social order or do you suggest we lynch, burn or weigh against a duck every witch with a false nose who commits an immoral act!? Are you assuming under "no laws" people will just "get it" and not want to do these things because there is no cause for rebellion?
Hcpride03 9 months ago
@Hcpride03
Absolute strawman. If you want to know the answers to your "questions" watch some of stefbot's earlier videos or read one of his free books.
thegillotine09 9 months ago
StefBot wins at life.
TonyBtheEG 9 months ago
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OhMyGoog 9 months ago
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OhMyGoog 9 months ago
Like Cleopatra: Custom will never stale your infinite style-variety. How do you do it? Happy man!
robzrob 9 months ago
Gandalf 2012! :D lol
vspqbd 9 months ago
the job of a writer isn't the only one that matters for a movie.
even in the biggest movies lots and lots of stuff gets changed on set, a creative process that includes the director and also the actors.
1schwererziehbar1 9 months ago
Stef why couldn't you have said that you cannot donate to any money bombs since you are a foreigner? that would be a much safer answer to ur safe Q&A. God know you are too square to step out of the state enacted box.
Stef brand just like any company hates competition, the less free we are, the greater his influence and thats why he rather see us live this way than move even 1 inch to the liberty side. Good on you Stef, make ur money & protect that brand, I just hope people see thru your BS.
uche007us 9 months ago
"If you could work on a movie which job would you want?
Writer, it's the only one that really matters."
As a writer by hobby myself, that makes me smile. ^^
lordthawkeye 9 months ago
Another problem with this video I noticed is, why did stef answer the VP question with a real name? he gave a non answer for who he supported for republican nomination, and non answer for every other political question that should have been Gary Johnson or Ron Paul, but for VP, he gives us the name of an Islamophobic, socialist, atheist intellectual to govern us.
What is going on here? I hope more people would listen to people like Tom Woods for voting advise. One lives in the real world and .
uche007us 9 months ago
Could God exist?
steshaw71 9 months ago
ABout 4% of the US population are sociopaths....how does a free society deal with sociopaths? I think that a free society would have less problems dealing with them because it should take away their ability to get into positions of power where they can do the most damage...and hopefully in a free society....one with less child abuse hopefully the percentage would go down since only 50% of sociopathy is genetic....what's your take?
santomon07 9 months ago
it was going so well... but the last one killed it
chapulinaaa 9 months ago
Ron Paul's religious views are inconsequential.
fagan411 9 months ago
what a fucking moron this man is. He believes change only comes with education and not through voting. Someone should tell him that the state educates more people in less than he or any group in the liberty society can . This is our chance to beat them with on their home court.
People like the dufus above is the reason why the whole anarchist/liberty community would never amount to change. All we cant to do is talk and feel good about ourselves but lets never ever vote cos they are all the same
Bigwheels161616 9 months ago 2
@Bigwheels161616 Voting is a pathetic begging for keeping what's already ours by natural right. And an acknowledgement of the systems validity ,when it is not valid at all. I'm not completely against it for libertarians who would use it only for harm reduction. However makes ZERO sense at a national level for Libertarians to waste their time trying to affect change through politics, because their numbers are too small 3-5% of the vote does NOTHING.
batmanthe 9 months ago
@Bigwheels161616 Beyond individual education, civil disobedience is way for Anarchist activist to make change; even a very small number of people (in contrast to the numbers required for voting) practice civil disobedience can completely clog the wheels of the state.. It's impossible to enforce laws which everyone openly breaks purposefully , also civil disobedience is an education tool that shows the gun in the room; that the government are the aggressors initiating the violence.
batmanthe 9 months ago
Finally, you talk about willful ignore right? Why cant you do the little research about 911. Its not rocket science, just to the little home work involved and stop being a sheep. And yes it makes a big difference if it was a controlled demolition instead of incompetence.
Pick up your physics text and so some elementary reading on gravity. But I guess you rather do the PC thing and stay away because it is considered conspiracy. Heck, Sam Harris may never talk to u now if u hold such unPC views
uche007us 9 months ago 2
Also about Sam Harris and balancing out religion. I think its actually more stupid to believe that 72 virgin reward is the main reason suicide bombers blow themselves than to believe in an invisible friend. My guess is that Sam Harris would probably start a huge war to rid ourselves of such crazy manics.
Stef is becoming the intellectual Alex Jones, cry the world is falling while ignoring the easier and more attainable fix at our disposal.
uche007us 9 months ago 2
Anyone else find it odd that a man(stefbot) who is so opposed to politics/politicians/political process would speak at an event run by people dedicated to changing society thru the political process. We need to inform him of the goals of free state project run Porkfest..
Jk, he is probably too arrogant to care or just smart enough to know that if we ever elected a true liberty loving president, his little gig of making speeches and feeling important would be over.
What a smart guy :)
uche007us 9 months ago 2
ron paul sam harris would make me cry tears of joy.
bearcatfan7 9 months ago
Stefan Molyneux, you are one of the guiding figures in my life, you kick ass
0thatdudewill0 9 months ago
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eggbeater814 9 months ago
depends what you mean by 'god', but yeah...
i pretty much agree
TWITfromURANUS 9 months ago
Stefan Molyneux-The most interesting person on the internet!
ALittleBitPregnant 9 months ago
I Agree
KrazivilleTV 9 months ago
Oh after that my last law I will do bbq in thewhite house! 3 day party before it becomes atourest park.
darkisato 9 months ago
Vote 4 me! I will dispand the fedral goverment. If u want gov, then ur state gov will do
darkisato 9 months ago
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" and i would not cut the ear of my daughter either " hahahaha...
b88104044 9 months ago
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b88104044 9 months ago
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RodCornholio 9 months ago
Religious fundamentalism? Great strawman.. considering RP has said if religion was the chief issue of the day - he wouldn't be running.
Conza88 9 months ago
@Conza88 So you're confidant that RP will leave his religion at the door of the White House?
amlorusso 9 months ago
@amlorusso
"So you're confidant that RP will leave his religion at the door of the White House?"
He ALREADY HAS for nearly 4 decades; he has never introduced or voted on any bill that'd shove religion down people's throats. Why don't you do some research, pal; he staunchly defended freedom of religion when it came to ground-zero mosque, even though it wasn't a popular position to take.
lomocan 9 months ago
@lomocan Sanctity of Life Act 2005, 2007, 2009
amlorusso 9 months ago
@amlorusso
It's naive to say abortion is solely a "religious issue". I myself am an agnostic, never had anything to do with religion & yet I'm pro-life too because I think even embryo has right to, does that make me "religious" too?
HUGE chunk of Ron's base is atheist/agnostic/non-religious because he's freedom-love, NOT a "Bible-thumper"; look at this poll ronpaulforum - tinyurl(dot)com/3ur6pqy
He has many pro-choice supporters too because he does NOT believe in FEDERAL ban on abortion.
lomocan 9 months ago
@lomocan Given his fundamentalist christrian nature, it would be naive to assume that his motivation isn't religious. Why other people choose pro-life/pro-choice or support RP is irrelevant to the discussion of RP. This act also imposes his interpretation of the constitution using federal law because he didn't like what the supreme court ruled. The appropriate place for that is the constitutional courts. Hardly an encouraging sign for "Mr Constitution".
amlorusso 9 months ago
@lomocan He also believes in Intelligent Design and has specifically singled out the Theory of Evolution amongst all science taught in schools where criticisms of it should be taught. He also wants abstinence only education to have equal footing with contraceptive education even though medical data is already showing that abstinence only programs result in more unwanted pregnancies and STD's, and he's supposed to be a doctor! Still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt?
amlorusso 9 months ago
@lomocan He also thinks that prohibition laws should be determined at the state level, which means he is happy to have state government impinge unjustly on people's freedom, which means he is not pro-liberty even if he is against the war on drugs in principle. He's just hiding behind the constitution and passing the buck on people's liberty to someone else. He should be arguing that NOBODY gets to impinge on freedom this way. This is why the constitution is only good for toilet paper.
amlorusso 9 months ago
@amlorusso
Well, if a people in a state don't want prohibition then they should vote for state representatives that support it & holds true for most things.
Just because there're people like you who think "Constitution is worth toilet paper" that we've this uncontrolled govt.
And I think you're an anarchist, if that's the case then you should realize Ron has already talked about people being allowed to opt out of citizenship
lomocan 8 months ago
@lomocan
Liberty your style:
1. Wait for a candidate who will do everything you want. Fail.
2. Compromise on candidate. Or stand yourself.
3. Wait for them (or you) to get elected, 4 years between attempts
4. Wait for them and the other politicians to get a majority vote, wait up to 4 years
5. Repeat and play wack-a-mole with issues until you die.
I'm not asking to be able to murder people, just to be left alone. If it's this hard to get that then the system is not fit for purpose.
amlorusso 8 months ago
@lomocan I just saw Ron Paul's opt out speech. It's only partial financial opt-out. There is more to liberty than government armed robbery. I'd still be paying for, and being subject to immorality (government).
Don't you want a system with better odds for your liberty than that? Why are you advocating the national equivalent of the Mafia? What control do you really think you have over our slavery? Can Ron Paul allow you to opt-out of slavery? Will he let you?
amlorusso 8 months ago
@amlorusso
I don't think there's a better system that minarchy, I don't think anarchy is sustainable, may be I'm wrong about that but if one thinks that we're just going to go from strong-statism that we've (where people're completely dependent on govt) to peaceful anarchy then that's just chimeric; govt isn't going to go away overnight, it'd've to be shrunk to minarchy first & then & only then will anarchy be seen as an option by the masses & ATM Ron is the only one wanting to shrink it
lomocan 8 months ago
HAHA. hilarious
Debatewithme 9 months ago
anyone who follows this youtube channel (or is at all informed about philosophy) could have answered a lot of those questions, but good for new people I guess
karthadastim 9 months ago
My only complaint is why you think Gandalf would run for republican nomination in the first place. Slightly offended by that.
steve2497 9 months ago
Ha! Gandalf for sure!!
mrfilthyrags 9 months ago
Taxation=violence?
Okay...
You are clearly delusional.
ZarlanTheGreen 9 months ago
@ZarlanTheGreen Try not paying your taxes and then see what (eventually) will happen to you. Force will be used to get you to pay them. Physical force if necessary.
amlorusso 9 months ago
@amlorusso They'll only get violent if YOU get violent.
They might use force to kick you out of a house you can no longer pay the rent for, or something, but...
They won't use force to make you pay.
(well except for in dictatorships and the such)
It's taxes, not the Mafia.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is utterly delusional.
We pay taxes and get freedom, opportunity and civilization in return.
ZarlanTheGreen 9 months ago
@ZarlanTheGreen If somebody comes to take something from you by force, you can (if you want) legitemately stop them using force. The crime is not you defending yourself, but someone using force in the first place. Just because the government asks nicely first does not make it okay. If you will suffer the consequences of force if you choose not to pay then it is armed robbery.
Your mafia anology is perfect. Pay up or something bad will happen to you. if you refuse or resist.
amlorusso 9 months ago
@amlorusso "If you will suffer the consequences of force if you choose not to pay then it is armed robbery."
1. They don't use force, unless you do so first. Stop lying and start using your brain.
2. Taxes are payment for services you are already receiving (short version: living in a civilized country). To not pay taxes is essentially the same as eating at a restaurant, and then leave without paying.
Do you mean to say that those who "dine and dash", shouldn't be regarded as criminal?
ZarlanTheGreen 9 months ago
@ZarlanTheGreen 1. A man walks up to you and asks you for some money. You say no. They take a gun out and take your wallet. The fact that they will quite happily take your money for free without force doesn't change the that they plan to take it by force if you don't give it up voluntarily.
2. A man cleans your window without asking. Then demands money. If you pay up he takes the money. If you don't he pulls out a gun and takes it anyway. Nobody asked me if I wanted any of the things being done
amlorusso 9 months ago
@ZarlanTheGreen Yes, they use force. You know it. Stop denying. Taxes are not payment for servics already received -- taxes are charged on you whether the service is provided or not. You know it. Stop denying.
RuddODragonFear 9 months ago
@ZarlanTheGreen
Can I choose not to pay for and endorse government activities that don't help me and that I strongly agree with? Such as fighting pointless wars halfway across the country and imprisoning a million people for nonviolent crimes?
thegillotine09 9 months ago
I cant believe you answered Apptendo's question about anime girls
SecularNumanist 9 months ago
Toro953 is LYING about having had both or about being just as good without a foreskin!
As the owner of a foreskin I can testify that foreskin stimulation feels amazing and that I can just about get off by manipulating the foreskin alone.
Listen to this man's testimony: /watch?v=NAHGFx95D80
He was circumcised at 18.
GhostOfJayLeno 9 months ago
I'm gonna go away from the serious nature of these comments and say Gandalf would be the greatest president of anywhere ever.
AwesomeGonkage 9 months ago
I guess that's one way to look at things...
blueorangelettuce 9 months ago
Existence is not a prerequisite for World domination. -God-
Veludeus 9 months ago
This is very subversive.
What about ending the FED money-debt creating global scheme?
superdiza 9 months ago
If God didn't create creation ... what did?
Get out of that 1 clever boy
kcirdrab 9 months ago
@kcirdrab Then what c reated the creator?
Sivels 9 months ago
@Sivels Damn, u hit me bullseye with that 1 straight out, I was hoping to get away with it for a while before some1 said it!
It's a real puzzle isn't it, I'm still working on it ... must be an answer
U can dodge down the Cronus argument, but sooner or later u run up against it
U could say the Almighty was forged from the elements ... but then u have a situation where that requires say at least atomic structure & the laws of physics to pre-exist, which then asks the ? - what created them? : /
kcirdrab 9 months ago
@kcirdrab Explore the quantum world and indeterminacy.
Perhaps everything is fractals. In which case, the world has an indeterminate and fuzzy beginning, and so the question is rendered meaningless.
Or, to go another route, why does anything have to be created? What if everything always was, and we just have a hard time conceptualizing that?
SomethingSea1 9 months ago
@SomethingSea1 Yep, I see yr point of thinking outside of the mental box we may be in, but I'm uneasy with it coz I think it too easily leads to illogicality & excuses for not having an explanation
I base myself on the world I see about me, ie a physical process of cause & effect which is linear in execution, ie. time, I don't think this paradigm we're in is separate in nature from its origin, but u maybe right, it may take a break in logic to answer the big 1, ie what began the beginning?
kcirdrab 9 months ago
@kcirdrab "but I'm uneasy with it coz I think it too easily leads to illogicality & excuses for not having an explanation"
Perhaps you could explain this some more.
"it may take a break in logic to answer the big 1, ie what began the beginning?"
No, not a break in logic. Quantum mechanics is based in empirical evidence. Was it a break in logic to say that the earth rotates around the sun? Perhaps for the religious. But that merely showed some of our assumptions and anthropocentric.
SomethingSea1 9 months ago
@kcirdrab
"it may take a break in logic to answer the big 1, ie what began the beginning?"
It may take continued agnosticism to answer the big ones. A break in logic results in religion and cults.
Continued agnosticism and curiosity.
SomethingSea1 9 months ago
@SomethingSea1 No u misunderstand my point, the break in logic I'm talking about didn't refer to spirituality, as the ? would still apply even there, it meant a logical answer to what created creation/God that isn't linear logic, ie. cause & effect, some sort of radical jump that isn't obvious at the moment
kcirdrab 9 months ago
@kcirdrab Ok... you're right. I can tell I'm not understanding you because what you just said doesn't make any sense to me.
SomethingSea1 9 months ago
@SomethingSea1 ... poor post ; (
kcirdrab 9 months ago
@SomethingSea1 Ok let's test this logic a little. What r the fractals u talk of comprised; or alternatively how can something exist without having a beginning. ie. it just "is"?
kcirdrab 9 months ago
And lastly, what with the non answers to a good chunk of the serious questions. If you don't have an answer, why not just pass on it. Heaven knows that would be infinitely better than patronizing us with silly and childish answers.
uche007us 9 months ago
Would you like to tax the rich rather than the poor? and then you answered about violence. I don't understand.
MrGregglesC 9 months ago
@MrGregglesC As long as tax dollars are forcefully taken from someone, it is violent.
slaughtz 9 months ago
Yea, Sam Harris the guy who believes 72 virgin reward is the reason why Islamic terrorists attack the US. That is the guy Stef wants to balance Ron Paul's religious stance which I might add he tends to keep to himself.
In a way am happy I now know how you feel about metaphors and word plays since I was going to donate a ARRESTed development season 1 DVD to you. I guess you cant have any of it now since it has the word arrested in it.
uche007us 9 months ago
This is what frustrates me with people like Stef. They think this society would quietly devolve into anarchism, for him, any gradual process like electing a liberty candidate, implementing nullification and greater state and local autonomy is not an option, its my way or the highway.
Lets just hope many american voters are not listening to him because it is either a crash or gradual change(which may also result in a crash but at less severe and dstructive one)
VOTE FOR MORE LIBERTY 2012
uche007us 9 months ago
@uche007us VOTE FOR MORE LIBERTY 1789! You tried that for over 200 years, and it turned into what you have now, and Ron Paul's precious constitution didn't do a damn thing to stop it. Laws don't make people free only morality does, and morality is lacking in spades in the idea that armed robbery (otherwise known as taxation) is okay, one of the many statist evils that is acceptable to Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is not a gateway drug to Liberty, but a continued addiction to the state.
amlorusso 9 months ago
@amlorusso
"Ron Paul is not a gateway drug to Liberty, but a continued addiction to the state"
If you think just ignoring the state is going to make it go away is absolute foolishness. All they need is a some % of the freeloaders to keep voting & democracy will go on forever. If you think (like this guy does) that while there's public education that people'll just decide to be anarchists all of a sudden then that's a pipe-dream. Only way to anarchy is a gradual transition thru minarchy.
lomocan 9 months ago
@lomocan Teaching people that the state is good will transition people to abandoning the state? The last 200+ years are evidence that minarchism leads towards a more authoritarian state not less.
amlorusso 9 months ago
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uche007us 9 months ago
Did he answer any of my questions? Because I Swear I would of been the only one to ask about the anime girls.
Apptendo 9 months ago
While I don't agree with all his comments (I am more afraid of private education-for-profit-and-indoctrination than of public education-and-indoctrination with some degree of oversight, it is far easier to propagandize children with nobody looking over your shoulder but the choir)he has a lot of value.
I now now what I am - a philosophical anarchist. (He seems to believe in free market laissez-faire, though, which is, IMHO, one of the primary problems we're dealing with.)
thesoundsmith 9 months ago
@thesoundsmith
How do you have anarchy without laissez-faire economics?
thegillotine09 9 months ago
@thesoundsmith Indoctrination of children to accept the state is the only purpose of public education, and with it the government wins by default, no matter what degree of 'oversight' there is. In a voluntary society even if the children were 100% 'indoctrinated', without the guns of government they could do no more harm than criminals do today.
amlorusso 9 months ago
The only point with which I disagree is the God one. I believe in Jesus Christ. I think the problem lies in the set up of most churches; the preachers as head. I am opposed to human authority in all its forms outside of the family unit. It sure makes finding a place to worship, especially on Saturday, hard to find. Yes, Saturday because Sunday worship isn't Biblical.
I just thought you would like to know you don't just have atheist viewers.
tarnationstation 9 months ago