What the Bible Says - And Doesn't Say - About Homosexuality

[MrMaxTruth]

For there are some eunuchs which were so born from their mother's womb-persons constitutionally either incapable of or indisposed to marriage. It has nothing to do with homosexuality and is a perversion to justify homosexualty by mistranslation.

[adamsochLA]

@MrMaxTruth --Homosexuality is justified by nature. It is very simple: IT IS NOT A CHOICE. Any straight person will tell you. JUST TRY IT. If you are STRAIGHT, be GAY for 1 hour, a day or a month. I guaranty it: NO WAY JOSE, you can't. You might experience gay sex, but you are NOT gay. Any gay person will tell you they are gay since they can remember. So let them be. Why should it bother anyone Who Loves Who, as long as it is LOVE. Hate is what you should worry about.

[MrMaxTruth]

@adamsochLA "Homosexuality is justified by nature." - Nature allows children to be born deformed and with heart defects. Is that acceptable too? Just becuase we "may" be born a certain way doesnt make it ok.

Also, dont confuse love with lust. There is no sin in two men "loving" each other, there is in lust/sex.

[maankindj]

@adamsochLA

I second that!

[MrMaxTruth]

JESUS CONFIRMS HOMOSEXUALITY AS A SIN

Jesus doesn't mention homosexuality in the gospels its true. That doesnt mean he condones homosexuality just because he doesn't mention it.Jesus doesnt say anything about rape either - does that mean rape is ok? of course not.

 But he DOES confirm homosexualty is a sin indirectly by confirming the Old Testament law

."Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law - not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law." Matt 5.17

[adamsochLA]

@MrMaxTruth -- The Constitution of the United States is the law of the land. You should continue in your bible study. There are stories there about incest, the needless butchery of men, women and children as prisoners of war, lust, fornication, the abuse of slaves and women, and the word democracy doesn't occur anywhere. So there's lots for you to enjoy.

[MrMaxTruth]

@adamsochLA You are quite correct , the bible does contain some pretty horrific stories , all of which details what happens when man sins. The story and crusifixion of Jesus is the most horrific , no one ever said the Bible was a book of pretty flowers and sweet poems.

[coomadoug]

The bible says we must be stoned to death for collecting wood on Sunday.

if you read that in a modern day text on expected behaviours ect. you would chuck it in the bin right.

So why is an inteligent man like you, bothering to debate such junk

[adamsochLA]

@coomadoug  Well said! Simple, Elegant and True.

[coomadoug]

@adamsochLA

Good men do good stuff and bad men do bad stuff. For good men to do bad we need then to read the bible and get religous.

[Xnenos]

look all you homophobes you are so high and mighty but homosexualty is natural in animals and times have changed

[MrSivram28]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).

[gayCULTUREeducation]

@MrSivram28 YOU CHERRY PICK from the BIBLE. It is not fair. ---Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves. GET REAL. Gay people LOVE. That is ALL.

[MrSivram28]

@gayCULTUREeducation You are misreading the bible.

[gayCULTUREeducation]

@MrSivram28 I DO NOT READ THE BIBLE. I do not need the Bible to be a good person. I never did anything wrong, never will. The Bible is not for me. BUT....Reverend Dr. Neil G Thomas in this video try to explain to homophobes and ignoramuses, what he thinks about what the Bible say on this issue. That is why we published his views. If you read the BIBLE better than others, why not have some slaves, TODAY?

[MrSivram28]

@gayCULTUREeducation I do not need a slave I am perfectly fine in my life.

[gayCULTUREeducation]

@MrSivram28 But if you go by the Bible, why not? You think Gay people are wrong because the Bible say so. The Bible say a lot of things..... including Slavery id OK. In case you missed that part in the Bible.

[MrSivram28]

Whoever believes this man in this video is being deceived.

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 --send me an email scripture and verse that supports your comment at kmtesq@aol.com. I would like you to provide me versus what Jesus said about the issue; what the Bible says about same gender sex among; what the Bible says about oral sex between heterosexuals; anal sex between homosexuals; masturbation etc. What does the Bible say and what did Jesus say.

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV)

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 -the problem is that the Bible you use for reference has changed the ORIGINAL word and meaning... it says abomination...it also says it is an abomination to wear clothes made of two different materials; to have a tatoo; to eat pork--

abomination has a different meaning in the context of jewish ceremonial law. Indeed, men lying with men is not mentioned in the 10 commandments or anywhere in the Moral code... it was not an issue of morality and sin....

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 --also, are you suggesting that homosexuals should be executed----if you are following these verses then you have to follow them all the way to their conclusion...not just half way...

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (NIV)

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 --I like the King James Version.... it says: 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: "for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature."

You are inferring that the phrase "women did change the natural use into that which is against nature" to refer to lesbianism. It likely means -women having sex for reasons other than procreation; women have oral or anal sex with men; women being in the dominate positio--not being gay.

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Women cannot procreate with other women the passage was referring to lesbianism. Homosexuality is a sin

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 I am a heterosexual married female and I cannot procreate...... so what is your point? Enuchs could not procreate----- You cannot procreate with anal or oral sex or masturbation... are you suggesting all of those things are sinful?

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 --also if Paul meant women lying with other women..why didn't he say that--like he did with reference to the men? what is historical, biblical or logical basis for concluding that this verse was referring to lesbians?

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Well if you read the passage again carefully Paul said "Likewise" Likewise the men also exchange natural relations with women and burned with lust one to another. Paul did not have to go in detail with the women he explained it more with the men. They were all practicing homosexuality both men and women.

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Why do you agree with me on bestiality but disagree with me on homosexuality? the bible condemns both you cannot have two masters. A kingdom divided against itself will fall

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 You cannot love god and sin at the same time. You are divided against yourself, and the wages of sin is death.

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28-there is not enough space or time to respond. First, Jesus' message was a message of love and grace; any message, conduct or belief that is contradictory to what Jesus preached (whether by Paul or anywhere in the Bible) is a message I would not follow...If you read John, Jesus is speaking to his Disciples, he tells them he cannot tell them everything now because they will not understand--but he will send the Holy Spirit to guide them.I think we need to listen to the Holy Spirit..

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 --part 2--the Bible has been used to justify slavery, racial prejudice, the mistreatment of women and many other evils. You can't just take verses out of context to promote hatred and bigotry against anyone. In Judges, a man burned his daughter to death to keep a vow to God; if a woman was raped and did not yell out, she could be put to death; women could not speak in the church; women stayed in abusive marriages because of people using the Bible out of context. It is wrong.

[ladyesq64]

@ladyesq64 -part 3-Read all of Romans 1-you are taking the chapter out of context;  Paul is talking about idolatry in the first part. Because of this idolotry (including temple prostiution-sex with male prostitutes), "God gave them up unto vile affections." The sins are not mentioned until Romans 1:29 and homosexuality is not included in that list.

[ladyesq64]

@ladyesq64 -part 4--these are the sings listed in Romans 1: 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful.

[ladyesq64]

@ladyesq64 -"sexual immorality" is vague-you have ignored questions about heterosexual sexual acts; masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, using toys, having sex for reasons other than procreation....all of that was consider unnatural in Biblical times....you condemn homosexuals, but are you condemning heterosexuals who have sex for reasons other than procreation; also men could have multiple wives, but women could not--is that immoral?

[ladyesq64]

@ladyesq64 --I think I lost my remark, so I am retyping..is sex with a 38 year old man and a 13 year girl immoral; How old was Joseph and how old was Mary?  Is it immoral to have multiple wives like David and Solomon? Didn't David have a male lover? Didn't Moses have a mistress? Is that immoral? Did God condemn these men? It is wrong to judge people--only God should be the judge of men? Look at the list in Romans 1:29--why do you select out homosexuals? what is your motive?

[shieldsff]

"Because of this idolotry (including temple prostiution-sex with male prostitutes), "

Sorry, you have no exegetical basis for that assertion..The passage makes clear that even the women turned away from that which was natural..While it has been argued that the Apostle is not referring strictly to the actions of people in his time, he was obviously writing in the first century and there is NO first century usage of the term Paul uses as meaning prostitutes. Your other assertions are also wrong

[ladyesq64]

@shieldsff that which was natural simply means sex for a purpose other than procreation...you also have to read other religious scripture. For example and there are others, In 2 Maccabees 6:1-4 the Greek rulers of Jerusalem are accused of bringing prostitutes (hetairai) into the Jerusalem Temple and having sex with them there: The Gentiles filled the temple with debauchery and revelry; they amused themselves with prostitutes and had intercourse with women even in the sacred court.

[ladyesq64]

@shieldsff -also read Psalm 106:20-38 --it is similar to Romans 1 and Jeremiah also

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Jesus was not talking about homosexuals, Some eunuchs born from their mother's womb is referring to hermaphrodites are people born with no working genitalia. 

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 you have no basis to say that Jesus was referring to hermaphrodites versus men who were impotent or gay---but the bigger point is that Jesus makes it clear that some "men are born that way" regardless of the Biblical commandments on procreation....

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 --against nature could also mean---with animals; it could mean masturbation...I could give an entire list of what "against nature' could mean... I think you miss the bigger point that Romans is referring to temple prostitution--where men were raping young men as a form of idolatry..not the same type of same sex monogomous relationships of today. Research the history and context of this chapter in the Bible... Also what do you think Jesus meant in Matthew 19:12?

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 I have already done my research.... Leviticus 18:23

And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 -I agree with you on this point...people should not have sex with animals...it is a perversion.

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Exodus 22:19

“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death.

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Galatians 5:19-21

Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 1 Timothy 1:8-10

Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine ... (ESV)

[gayCULTUREeducation]

@MrSivram28 TRY to LIVE by the "LAW of the BIBLE" one day precisely as it dictates. You will not be able. You can't use the Bible as LAW. We have laws that ever changing with societies needs. Gay people are loving citizens just as good or bad as straight people. How come you do not see that?

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 --go to the original text--the original word. The original word was arsenokoitais not homosexual--the KJV says "Sodomite" which is not a homosexual. The Greek compound term arseno-koitais literally means ‘the male who has many beds’. The word arsen means ‘male’, the adjective o means ‘the’, and the term koitais is defined as ‘many beds’. The entire phrase means a male with

multiple bed-partners; a promiscuous man--not a homosexual. You cannot change the original meaing of words.

[MrSivram28]

@ladyesq64 Jude 7

And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment. (NIV)

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 The Bible says this: ""Now this was the sin of Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. —Ezekiel 16:49-50 In Matthew 10:14-15 Jesus confirms that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality not homosexuality..that is what Jesus said! Your Jude verse is taken out of context...see more

[ladyesq64]

@MrSivram28 --first please note that the original verse says that it was destroyed because of fornication....but the phrase that has been misinterpreted to mean homosexual acts "strange flesh" was referring to sex with Angels as the phrase is used in Genesis...again, you can change the meaning of the original text!

[awesomegirlyazna]

Jesus, are those glass window doors? Daaaamn

[tool2342]

The bible condemns homosexuality, get over it, or like me realise the whole entire bible is a ridiculous load of bullshit, based on iron age superstitions and nonsense and take no notice of anything it says.

[NuLaifMusic]

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Here's a video you should watch on you tube:

The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine

Also just google:

GAY BRAIN

And you're going to see all the recent discovery that gay man's brain is like a females and lesbians brains are like males.

Scientifictly proven, that is NOT A CHOICE, you are who you are since the night your parents... well... you know... and here we are!

[PrinceFelipe]

@NuLaifMusic So you are saying because people think of sex and it lights up on a screen that is says gay butt sex is all natural?

[TheGoodNewsBook]

@NuLaifMusic True! I prove that Homosexuality is not a "sin" from the Bible in my book, "The Good News: How Revealing Delusions In Christianity Will Bring Peace To All." I prove this from multiple passages in the Bible and I disprove every instance that present-day Christianity uses to back in its anti-homosexual stance. The true message of the Bible is that we should only judge other people on how they treat other people! Check out my videos as I discuss this on radio shows across the nation!

[JaredThaJa]

The word Homosexual was not in the King James Version.

[gayCULTUREeducation]

@JaredThaJa --The first known appearance of homosexual in print is found in an 1869 German pamphlet by the Austrian-born novelist Karl-Maria Kertbeny, published anonymously, arguing against a Prussian anti-sodomy law. In 1879, Gustav Jager used Kertbeny's terms in his book, Discovery of the Soul (1880). The Bible used different term for same sex.

[JaredThaJa]

@gayCULTUREeducation I agree fully that the Bible doesn't condemn Homosexuality. I've written a Blog where I go over in detail every relevant Bible verse. I've made a Youtube Video that links to it in the description.

[smurfboywv]

@gayCULTUREeducation It was the church who added it into the newer written bibles.

[GLBTQJA]

@gayCULTUREeducation exactly ........... a rather progressive piece of legislation at the time in then Prussia

[Anthonyofthedesert]

@gayCULTUREeducation Exellent video, Any interpretation of scripture that teachs hate bigotry intolerance is a false doctrine.

[adamsochLA]

mastervictor123 RIGHT ON! So many hate crimes and even murder because the wrong interpretation. PLEASE get the DVD: "For The Bible Tells Me So (2007)" available at Amazon. A great documentary and listen to the scholars who spent years in research. Do not listen to an opinion of a homophobe who happened to be a pastor like Pat Robertson and his gang of hate-mongers with BLOOD on their hands.

[mastervictor123]

that is what Bible reads not what the Bible says.

[saunei]

@mastervictor123 amen!!

[TheStrong32]

There is a great deal I like abotu this video (I placed it in my favorites list). There is one technical detail I'd like to point out, however. The word "homosexual" does not occur in the KJV. That word was not coined until the 19th century. We do find it in some modern "translations." KJV dishonestly inserted the 17th cent. equvalent: "sodomite." The Hebrew word, *qadesh* (Strong # 6945) has nothing to do with Sodom, it means "sacred person," and refers to temple prostitutes.

[ella53217]

SPEAK AND DO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS..BE SILENT AND DON'T DO WHAT THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY...THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO DO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, AND REMAIN SILENT WHERE THE BIBLE IS SILENT. IF YOU CANNOT DEAL WITH THAT, THEN YOU CANNOT DEAL WITH GOD...HOW SAD!!!

[adamsochLA]

@ella53217 Ella Dear, The Bible say a great deal about slavery, (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) you know that, you read it. About killing the infidels and non believers (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT), Do you really want to follow the Bible word by word? Be my guest. but please do not pick and choose. How sad, indeed.

[queenjoan1000]

Thank you

[AlexzandrSpringvale]

You are a liar. Jesus did talk about homosexuality when he said in Matthew 11:

23 "And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in SODOM, it would have remained until this day". So in other words, if the Sodomites were righteous, they would not be destroyed. The word "homosexuality" is described in Leviticus 18:22 " Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

[RAWKEE]

@AlexzandrSpringvale the wrd "homosexuality" wasnt even created nor thought of thn. Sodom was destroyed, bcz they were greedy and selfish ppl, NOT bcz there were homosexualz. Smh..

[Alex197824]

@AlexzandrSpringvale you are very ignorant in subject, Sodom has got noting to do with homosexual and it is true that the word Homosexual was never mentioned in the original passages. it was introduced when translation were done into English. there are to greek words that were changed into homosexual

[JaredThaJa]

@AlexzandrSpringvale No

[HadleyStreet]

@alex89843 your face is a sin

[alex89843]

@HadleyStreet  lol God Bless you

[RepresentingTruth]

Why did you not mention about the bible referring to the Old Testament being in Hebrew? That is elementary. Did you not know?