I may be totally wrong. But I feel that a few banshees would've allowed VirusSonG to counter the protoss and gain a lot of map control. I know you can counter with phoenix and void rays but I really don't think Hasu was ready to transition to stargate fast enough. You could at least grab cloak and destroy some probes to be annoying.
Forcefields on ramps is fucking lame... It's really dumb and takes no skill. It should take 4+ forcefields to seal a ramp somehow so at least the sentries run out of energy eventually.
Virus could have built a CC and flown it North to ninja expand, Hasu totally doesn't scout there for a very long time... Of course, it's a huge risk but hey when you're that far behind, you really need to take risks.
If Terran players were smart, they build turrets and get the fucking UPGRADE for them which absolutely owns void rays.... but alas, Terran players are stupid.
@StupidFatFag Not sure if trolling. Your name does say stupidfatfag lol.. but just in case you aren't, check 9:35, HD says he doesn't have stim, and hovers over the stim upgrade spot which is clearly empty.and then at 9:58 he selects the whole army and you can clearly see stim. c:
void rays 'far' outrange marines? the difference in range is 1 retard.. the only problem here was poor cheese defence by the terran. as far as the protoss race goes one thing that needs to be changed imo is forcefields not allowed ON ramps in the same way building placement is not allowed on them. this way you could drop 2 or 3 ffs around the high or low exit of the ramp but not only 1 to block it completely. giving protoss an extra defensive option if this were to be implemented is mandatory.
@quizzisation I admit there was skill, but it wasn't that fun to watch. The terran player forgot to wall-in which was his major downfall. I think that entertainment is when both players have an equal chance of winning, not when one player obviously is going to win. I just think that it was hyped up.
All the dumbass protoss players here saying.. herp derp.. terran should wall in vs protoss. Do you know what PROS do when they see a terran wall off.. they build voidrays since they far out range marines. Terran would then have to tech to vikings while using there gas on conc shells, stim, and combat shields just to hold off a 2 gate voidray because they "walled in" and can't keep the voidray from destroying the wall. See: Puma vs Hero MLG Providence.. or 100 other MC games where he does this
@lilphillio Oh.. you mean the bunker that can be shot at from the low ground and easily destroyed because the toss player can forcefield away repairing scvs? Cool huh?
@bubba18sar sigh, bronze league? use bunker to stall, it isnt supposed to shut down stargate play comepletely per se, just hold off the attack till you can finish stim, get vikings, tanks ,etc. qq more nub
@lilphillio Bunker to stall? You mean to give protoss the ability to build up an expansion and tech up some more? Building a bunker is just asking to be FF and taken down easily. Where should the bunker be built? It's not like the voidray is limited to attacking one position. It's guaranteed damage.
@bubba18sar Um yeah.... Terrans have this thing called lift. Barracks aren't stuck in one place, and you can salvage bunkers. If you know the timing of the void rays and scouted correctly, walling off against initial attacks totally works as long as you know your $#!7. But trying to keep that initial wall in mid to late game is well.... dumb.
@Tmtre1 Are you serious? Or trolling? The whole point these comments stimmed from were the actual game. Did you watch it? People are saying that terrans should wall in to prevent the proxy gateway opening from doing damage. What exactly do you want terran to wall in with this early in the game? Another CC? It has to be supply depots.. so the point was made that if a toss sees a supply depot wall off then that is an open invitation for a Void Ray opening because those are free depots.Troll?
@bubba18sar Like I said, do critical analysis of the game instead of just watching endless youtube streams. He knew he was getting proxied. Wall off with your barracks and add a bunker. Salvage bunker, lift barracks to not wall off. If you dupe your opponent to go VR for a single depot then you've won. Compare the price of teching to VR for 1 depot. He has enough mins to build a bunker before the zealot gets to his base. He KNOWS that there is a proxy. The wall does not have to be depots
@bubba18sar do you expect the protoss do be in a better position if he tries to proxy then expand? terran logic. you could get an inbase command center or just tech yourself. the expo does not pay for itself until he can actually saturate it for a minute or two. btw, a protoss even with a voidray cant break a bunker, while teching or getting an expo like you said. show me a game where a protoss breaks a terran that is turtling with a bunker in the early game. retard.
@bubba18sar ye but if you are not retarded you build your barack neer and be ready to build 2 th suplly this way you just take off barack and land close enemi zealots in base and make them pay but what he did was reali stupid
Cheese is not an all-in without a follow-up necessarily. It's a cheesy move, or, as liquipedia puts it: an unconventional build designed to take the opponent by surprise.
As a fellow (low level) protoss, I'm happy to see this working. Normally, the terran walls off, and the cheese fails. But he left the front door wide open, and it worked brilliantly. The terran made a bunch of mistakes, and the protoss capitalized on his failure to adequately defend himself. And the protoss had like 5 or 6 sentries, each starting off with 50 energy and going up from there. With that, you can maintain constant forcefields, but you lose around 500 to 600 gas.
@xdiexmanx Cheese is a strategy that is all in without a follow up, the fact that he expanded off it and in the end won the game means it wasn't cheese. "bitch".
@FlaminStarcraft no it's not.. you are an idiot. So If a protoss opens up with a forge and cannons a zerg into his base and expands behind it that's not cheese? This is cheese. So if he built the gateways in the terran base that's not cheese either according to your definition? It's fucking cheese.
@FlaminStarcraft Bullshit, Just because a follow up happens, does not mean the inital action was not cheese. Whats the difference if the gateways are in base or 2 feet away from the base? If the gateways are destroyed then it's the same action.. no tech. You have no clue what you are talking about and that's obvious. You are making terrible points and are trying to protect your cheesy race.
This game is just more evidence of how broken the exit-ramp-FF strategy is. There are so many ways to eliminate this problem without affecting FF in any other way. For example, they could just disallow FF's on ramps. FF would still serve identically in defense because you could just FF at the choke immediately above the ramp. I can't understand how Blizz can let this huge flaw stand pat.
ever thought about how long it takes for a protoss to get enough centries to constantly FF?
also, there are A LOT of games, where a protoss FF the terran, the terran builds expansion in his main, gets medivacs and then expands... and in the end WINS
@SaleXchannel Not interested in a flame war. I'm not saying this strategy will win every game. I'm saying it's broken because its effectiveness is vastly greater than its required skill. Also, it's extremely boring to watch, which matters for a game that wants to be a premier e-sport.
Yes, I know how many sentries it takes to constantly FF. Did you know you can contain w/o constant FF, because the THREAT of FF splitting and killing an army is enough to keep a player contained?
@DMIIvid No it's not.. because any good toss player that sees a walled up terran knows to build a stargate and attack with voidrays, and unless terran techs all the way to vikings then Terran is guaranteed to lose 1-2 supply depots at least. It's lose lose either way. See: Puma vs Hero MLG Providence if you don't believe me.
i loved the game. its fun to see a one sided game every once in a while as to see what to do and what not to do. If you take in the things HD are saying it can improve your game by that much
HD - I think you should have specific titles for games like this; perhaps, "(Race) Strategies" or even, "(Race) Avantages" considering this game was one sided and this isn't exactly standard play.
all these scrubs who think they're special crying about cheese games. The ability to beat even the master players early with good micro is something to look lowly upon? that why you're in that scrub league you're in and they're at where they are.
Boring as hell game, why idiots vote this one up? It's a proxy gateway rush terren never recovered from, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING special. If terren made a come back this would worth watching, but as is, it's about a GM played like some diamond and don't know when he should be walling off.
@AllstarHunE You don't have to be in a high league to be able to comment on a game. Good commentators tend to suck in-game, and good players tend (TEND) to have shitty commentaries. So by your logic, no one is ever able to comment on a game simply because of their background.
It pisses me off when I mention how a player could have done better in a situation or how they sucked at one part, and someone claims I have no say in the matter simply because I'm aren't on the same level. I can see too.
HDstarcraft masters league zerg player, Day[9]: masters in every race, Artosis &tasteless: masters protoss players, list is endless. good commentators end to suck in game? good players tend to have shitty commentaries? good logic. what league u in? scrub.
@AllstarHunE Gold, actually. Yeah I know, OH YOU NOOB OH YOU NOOB. Damn straight I'm a noob. I can't control my units well at all, my multitasking sucks ass, but I understand the mechanics of the game pretty damn well. And what I meant by "sucked" in game was in comparison to the Professionals. To the average person, yes some commentators are good, but they would die instantly to pros. And for fucks sake, just have a normal debate with someone on the internet without insulting them. Jesus.
HD, respect to your casting, but this game sucked balls. As a terran player, it was just frustrating, and as protoss player, it just wasn't... respectable.
Says it all really. This is what it feels like when you bunker rush or hold somene in with seige tanks. I think it's a great game. A TvP which doesn't rely on Collosi, Vikings and Mass EMP.
@Karmoon7 I don't know if you saw the second half of my comment: "as [a] protoss player, it just wasn't... respectable."
Just because you have had experiences involving bunker rushes and mass emp doesn't mean that is what I consider a good game. And it also doesn't justify a protoss player doing that same kind of cheese, simply because 'it's happened to him before'.
@Karmoon7 Hold someone in with Siege tanks? LOL.. you serious. Protoss doesn't need to tech to get outside of there base.. they just build a pylon near the edge and warp there units outside of there base. Forcefields are a joke and sentries should start with only 40 energy.
@crazygeek4296 this is just showing how ff radius should be reduced, because its just 2 effective to continually ff the ramp with only 1 ff. just like everybody bashed and just talked crap of emp radius being 2 big.
@tiputipu777 Well, honestly I'm pretty ambivalent on force fields since I mainly play Terran and don't see them too often. However, I know for Zerg that they are a fucking bitch to deal with, but I don't think that they should be reduced in size necessarily but maybe in duration; that way Protoss can hold off early pressure but not spam everlasting force fields without ever running out of energy.
@crazygeek4296 yea im main terran 2 and a master player on 1v1. and yep ur right, i didnt think about zerg rushing and everything. and it would have been 2 hard to make the ff just the right size if it would be reduced. ur right, that either the ff duration should be reduced or the ff energy cost from 50 to 75
@crazygeek4296 As a Terran player???? This game was a GREAT game! Virus SHOULD have done something once he took that SCV into Hasu's base and only found a Pylon in production. At that timing, you should know better. The only people disliking this game/video are Terran baddies. The contain was great, the macro was great, taking advantage of Virus' mistakes, also great.
@Joshgt2 Exactly. Once at a high level of play, even minor slips can tilt the balance heavily. If two noobs play against each other and one noob doesn't scout properly, he won't be behind too much because the other noob can't utilize that advantage. But a good player doesn't let you off the hook that easily.
@Joshgt2 *Sigh* Why the "Stop crying."? Why couldn't you just leave it at a respectable response? Would make it a lot easier to have a debate with you.
Yeah, it was great, or at least decent, on the Protoss player's part. But what pissed me off about this game was the lack of concentration/ bad play on the Terran's part. Just because one player did well doesn't mean it was a good game. Imagine someone like Dimaga playing a bronze leaguer... would the game be good because Dimaga would steamroll?
@cazooyork When both players have a chance of winning. Yes, I know the terran had a chance at the beginning, but after he screwed up majorly and refused to wall off for whatever reason, the game was pretty much lost.
@mrrobotica Okay, have you ever played a game in a placement match against someone who sucked completely? And of course you just steamrolled? Well, I have, and yeah it was a win, but it didn't feel hard earned nor really that great. And that's what I felt while watching this game; it had zero connection to Virus being terran or Hasu being protoss. It was just that I don't think watching a german shepard crush a chihuahua is a particularly interesting or fair fight (I don't watch dog fights btw.)
wow.. finally a toss winning against terran on HD's channel?
in a cheesy, retarded, fucking annoying way.. but yea.. it's the fucking lowrace for people that are to retarded to play normal.. wtf should we expect..
There is a counter to this pressure and it's called Medivacs or Warp Prisms or Nydus Worms... Ssrly ppl if you think FF is OP then you're at Wood league... >_> L2P then complain again ppl.
@LarsSod Why did you come to his page specifically to say that? What a dick thing to do. I personally feel he does a great job at casting, lay off him.
@capsule56 : well he didn't flame HD, did he? he just mentioned the strengths and weaknesses of HD as a caster. If no one mention HD's weaknesses there's no way HD can improve, and that is not helping him.
@capsule56 There's a difference between constructive criticism and bashing. But it's good that you in particular think he does a great job, since your opinion alone represents everyone elses. Especially in this video where the general consensus seems to be directly opposite of yours.
I figure tanks would be a better choice than ghosts to break the containment
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GlossWainwright432 1 month ago
i tought he was going to comeback since you hyped it
KleptoooGaming 2 months ago
"below and behold" lol
billycorganisgod 2 months ago
toss so op :(
lr4iNM4kerl 2 months ago
9:52 It's a TRAP!!! :D
666xDavid 2 months ago
I may be totally wrong. But I feel that a few banshees would've allowed VirusSonG to counter the protoss and gain a lot of map control. I know you can counter with phoenix and void rays but I really don't think Hasu was ready to transition to stargate fast enough. You could at least grab cloak and destroy some probes to be annoying.
freddykingofturtles 2 months ago
@freddykingofturtles I just think banshee's are a better choice than ghosts when the opponent has an all land army.
freddykingofturtles 2 months ago
Didn't know he made or proxyed a stargate HD :)
Magefan313 2 months ago
This was supposed to be a good game
simped5 2 months ago
hahah "virusS on G"
SuperDominanto 2 months ago
9:00;; HD stims have been researched already. oh no?
spicychubby16 2 months ago
That was a shitty boring game... except the very beginning aggression and the last battle at the end. The entire middle was ZzZZZzzzZz.
staphinfection 2 months ago
Forcefields on ramps is fucking lame... It's really dumb and takes no skill. It should take 4+ forcefields to seal a ramp somehow so at least the sentries run out of energy eventually.
staphinfection 2 months ago
Virus could have built a CC and flown it North to ninja expand, Hasu totally doesn't scout there for a very long time... Of course, it's a huge risk but hey when you're that far behind, you really need to take risks.
staphinfection 2 months ago
If Terran players were smart, they build turrets and get the fucking UPGRADE for them which absolutely owns void rays.... but alas, Terran players are stupid.
staphinfection 2 months ago 2
@staphinfection why would you spend money on turrets and turret upgrades early-game? that is super retarded,
LonexX18 1 month ago
16 Scvs vs 29 Probes yet his income is almost the same thanks to op mules, all 1 of them.
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umadbrow 2 months ago
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Take31Short 2 months ago
he had stim HD... LOL..
TrickTheMind 2 months ago 17
@TrickTheMind no he didn't u noob
StupidFatFag 2 months ago
@StupidFatFag Not sure if trolling. Your name does say stupidfatfag lol.. but just in case you aren't, check 9:35, HD says he doesn't have stim, and hovers over the stim upgrade spot which is clearly empty.and then at 9:58 he selects the whole army and you can clearly see stim. c:
TrickTheMind 2 months ago
void rays 'far' outrange marines? the difference in range is 1 retard.. the only problem here was poor cheese defence by the terran. as far as the protoss race goes one thing that needs to be changed imo is forcefields not allowed ON ramps in the same way building placement is not allowed on them. this way you could drop 2 or 3 ffs around the high or low exit of the ramp but not only 1 to block it completely. giving protoss an extra defensive option if this were to be implemented is mandatory.
shaman6ix 2 months ago
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shaman6ix 2 months ago
Derp herp no stim. What are you smoking
Projectkills 2 months ago
proxy star gate.
Refreshernoob 2 months ago
Chills. This game gave me chills.
monolith94 2 months ago
Why exactly was this one such a highly recommended game? Yes it was a beautiful contain, but otherwise the rest wasn't that exciting.
kilrmax 2 months ago
@kilrmax THE GAME WAS SHIT AS IT DIDN'T FULFIL YOUR EXPECTATIONS
hashikirk 2 months ago
@kilrmax a proxy gate into cyber core expansion+amazing contain, then he got a great surround on the terran forces? I call that exciting.
quizzisation 2 months ago
@quizzisation I admit there was skill, but it wasn't that fun to watch. The terran player forgot to wall-in which was his major downfall. I think that entertainment is when both players have an equal chance of winning, not when one player obviously is going to win. I just think that it was hyped up.
kilrmax 2 months ago
To destroy a terran before they even scout your base... is insane at pro level!
zealot256 2 months ago
One thing I would have done was use the Terrans Lift OFF skill with a CC to an expansion and then turn it to a PF
Hemlocke3 2 months ago
All the dumbass protoss players here saying.. herp derp.. terran should wall in vs protoss. Do you know what PROS do when they see a terran wall off.. they build voidrays since they far out range marines. Terran would then have to tech to vikings while using there gas on conc shells, stim, and combat shields just to hold off a 2 gate voidray because they "walled in" and can't keep the voidray from destroying the wall. See: Puma vs Hero MLG Providence.. or 100 other MC games where he does this
bubba18sar 2 months ago 25
@bubba18sar there is something called a bunker , strangely this building gives units an additional 1 range. cool huh
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@lilphillio Oh.. you mean the bunker that can be shot at from the low ground and easily destroyed because the toss player can forcefield away repairing scvs? Cool huh?
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar bah. just use banelings. they kill the void thingies.
alvisc2002 2 months ago
@bubba18sar sigh, bronze league? use bunker to stall, it isnt supposed to shut down stargate play comepletely per se, just hold off the attack till you can finish stim, get vikings, tanks ,etc. qq more nub
lilphillio 2 months ago
@lilphillio Bunker to stall? You mean to give protoss the ability to build up an expansion and tech up some more? Building a bunker is just asking to be FF and taken down easily. Where should the bunker be built? It's not like the voidray is limited to attacking one position. It's guaranteed damage.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar they can delay conc shell, and anyway viking is nearly essential to the tvp MU
S3bz3r0 2 months ago
@S3bz3r0 How do you figure? Only if the protoss goes voidrays or collossus. Today's metagame is chargelot/archon/HT.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar Um yeah.... Terrans have this thing called lift. Barracks aren't stuck in one place, and you can salvage bunkers. If you know the timing of the void rays and scouted correctly, walling off against initial attacks totally works as long as you know your $#!7. But trying to keep that initial wall in mid to late game is well.... dumb.
Tmtre1 2 months ago
@Tmtre1 Barracks aren't the problem dumbshit. The supply depots are.. killing two supply depots that early in the game is game changing. Bronze much?
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar Why build supply depots at the front? Nobody said anything about supply depots. Learn to do a critical analysis and then get back to me.
Tmtre1 2 months ago
@Tmtre1 Are you serious? Or trolling? The whole point these comments stimmed from were the actual game. Did you watch it? People are saying that terrans should wall in to prevent the proxy gateway opening from doing damage. What exactly do you want terran to wall in with this early in the game? Another CC? It has to be supply depots.. so the point was made that if a toss sees a supply depot wall off then that is an open invitation for a Void Ray opening because those are free depots.Troll?
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar Like I said, do critical analysis of the game instead of just watching endless youtube streams. He knew he was getting proxied. Wall off with your barracks and add a bunker. Salvage bunker, lift barracks to not wall off. If you dupe your opponent to go VR for a single depot then you've won. Compare the price of teching to VR for 1 depot. He has enough mins to build a bunker before the zealot gets to his base. He KNOWS that there is a proxy. The wall does not have to be depots
Tmtre1 2 months ago
@bubba18sar do you expect the protoss do be in a better position if he tries to proxy then expand? terran logic. you could get an inbase command center or just tech yourself. the expo does not pay for itself until he can actually saturate it for a minute or two. btw, a protoss even with a voidray cant break a bunker, while teching or getting an expo like you said. show me a game where a protoss breaks a terran that is turtling with a bunker in the early game. retard.
lilphillio 2 months ago
@bubba18sar ye but if you are not retarded you build your barack neer and be ready to build 2 th suplly this way you just take off barack and land close enemi zealots in base and make them pay but what he did was reali stupid
TheGUARDIANOFFOR 2 months ago
Bring More DOTA!!
StMaule 2 months ago
Holy crap a cast that doesnt have a zerg in it? ITS A MIRACLE!!
Crzyjesterz1705 2 months ago
HD has the worst impersonations ever. But I <3 'em.
friskylittledevil 2 months ago
very nice contain
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9:32 "OOOH he doesn´t have stim yet"
HD, don´t you eat too much candy!
Amomentforever 2 months ago
10:45 "one proxy stargate"
HD, HOW MUCH CANDY DID YOU EAT?
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Amomentforever 2 months ago
this is why sentries are gay
gurraglad 2 months ago
I WAS GOING TO MAKE A SPOILER... THEN I TOOK AN ARROW IN THE KNEE...
TheFubar5 2 months ago
awesome
FantasiaCloud 2 months ago
Proxy stargate :)
evoxtvo 2 months ago
wow beat down 101
xsteal 2 months ago
good game! why are people complaining>\?
InfernoX17 2 months ago
IT'S A TRAP lol
clashviewer 2 months ago
this isnt a cheese... very nice play by both
xg3000 2 months ago
very complete destruction...
xg3000 2 months ago
I didn't expect this cheese at this level...
nanquan491 2 months ago
@nanquan491 you're a fucken twat you know that?
Darknesswave 2 months ago
@Darknesswave Oh yeah? And why is that exactly?
nanquan491 2 months ago
VirusSong SUUUUUUUCKS SOOOOOOOOO BAD. BaD. VEry BAD. SUper BAd ULtra BAd.
marikdang 2 months ago
@marikdang nope, that's you
TheRilonator 2 months ago
its a proxy warp gate not stargate.
GAPT2000 2 months ago
lol it was good other than the game would be completely different with a walloff dumb terran lol
GraydonW 2 months ago
to many girls bitching how this wasn't a great game.....it was amazing the level of containment that he did....
venomat24 2 months ago
10:47 Proxy startgate Realy?
MrEragonSaph 2 months ago
meh, that game was alright
MrPanophobia 2 months ago
SOrry HD, I'm gonna have to dislike this one =(
jalalhugo 2 months ago
this how protoss player needs to play.
just hope those protoss noobs stop saying Timba
chen7818032 2 months ago
HD, how dare you call yourself an asian and can't even count >:(
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ZhuSeth 2 months ago
the whole idea is making stalker and the terran today can't even have that much marine.
chen7818032 2 months ago
Cheese is not an all-in without a follow-up necessarily. It's a cheesy move, or, as liquipedia puts it: an unconventional build designed to take the opponent by surprise.
sslftw 2 months ago
proxy stargate...xD
houchi69 2 months ago
Terran should learn how to do something else other than MMM
WishyLH 2 months ago
As a fellow (low level) protoss, I'm happy to see this working. Normally, the terran walls off, and the cheese fails. But he left the front door wide open, and it worked brilliantly. The terran made a bunch of mistakes, and the protoss capitalized on his failure to adequately defend himself. And the protoss had like 5 or 6 sentries, each starting off with 50 energy and going up from there. With that, you can maintain constant forcefields, but you lose around 500 to 600 gas.
JMA698 2 months ago
He should of dropped his units on the high ground using his medvacs
ooooooMATToooooo 2 months ago
cheezing bitch
xdiexmanx 2 months ago
@xdiexmanx Cheese is a strategy that is all in without a follow up, the fact that he expanded off it and in the end won the game means it wasn't cheese. "bitch".
FlaminStarcraft 2 months ago
@FlaminStarcraft then wtf is an all-in?
adamjyn 2 months ago
@adamjyn cheese is generally really early, all in doesnt have to be (such as the 1-1-1 all in)
:)
FlaminStarcraft 2 months ago
@FlaminStarcraft then by your logic dt rushes are not cheeses?
adamjyn 2 months ago
@adamjyn correct. rush and cheese are different.
FlaminStarcraft 2 months ago
@FlaminStarcraft no it's not.. you are an idiot. So If a protoss opens up with a forge and cannons a zerg into his base and expands behind it that's not cheese? This is cheese. So if he built the gateways in the terran base that's not cheese either according to your definition? It's fucking cheese.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar If it is a strategy that has a follow up and an exit, then it's not cheese.
Gateways in the base is cheese as if it's held off - they kill the gateways and you have no tech building - therefore no follow up.
There's no need to call someone an idiot while trying to get your point across bro.
FlaminStarcraft 2 months ago
@FlaminStarcraft Bullshit, Just because a follow up happens, does not mean the inital action was not cheese. Whats the difference if the gateways are in base or 2 feet away from the base? If the gateways are destroyed then it's the same action.. no tech. You have no clue what you are talking about and that's obvious. You are making terrible points and are trying to protect your cheesy race.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar lol
FlaminStarcraft 2 months ago
terrrans gonna flame XD
SaleXchannel 2 months ago
This game is just more evidence of how broken the exit-ramp-FF strategy is. There are so many ways to eliminate this problem without affecting FF in any other way. For example, they could just disallow FF's on ramps. FF would still serve identically in defense because you could just FF at the choke immediately above the ramp. I can't understand how Blizz can let this huge flaw stand pat.
jdschw 2 months ago
@jdschw i guess u r broken...
ever thought about how long it takes for a protoss to get enough centries to constantly FF?
also, there are A LOT of games, where a protoss FF the terran, the terran builds expansion in his main, gets medivacs and then expands... and in the end WINS
dont talk if u have no idea of the game!
SaleXchannel 2 months ago
@SaleXchannel Not interested in a flame war. I'm not saying this strategy will win every game. I'm saying it's broken because its effectiveness is vastly greater than its required skill. Also, it's extremely boring to watch, which matters for a game that wants to be a premier e-sport.
Yes, I know how many sentries it takes to constantly FF. Did you know you can contain w/o constant FF, because the THREAT of FF splitting and killing an army is enough to keep a player contained?
jdschw 2 months ago
@jdschw FFs on ramps are necessities to protect your own base from a rush.
bombardo12 2 months ago
@jdschw bronze league? lawl.
FlaminStarcraft 2 months ago
@jdschw This game is only evidence, that Terrans should wall off in TvP, nothing else.
DMIIvid 2 months ago
@DMIIvid No it's not.. because any good toss player that sees a walled up terran knows to build a stargate and attack with voidrays, and unless terran techs all the way to vikings then Terran is guaranteed to lose 1-2 supply depots at least. It's lose lose either way. See: Puma vs Hero MLG Providence if you don't believe me.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
it pretty frustrating to be FF-ed inside your own base
blossombay 2 months ago
wtf are you talking about it was gr8 display of tactic and using adventages of protoss to the maximum. i liked game despite being terran.
ArGeNeration 2 months ago
i loved the game. its fun to see a one sided game every once in a while as to see what to do and what not to do. If you take in the things HD are saying it can improve your game by that much
Djain201 2 months ago
Watching this game makes me think even "I" could be a grandmasters player
Thurendeil 2 months ago
@Thurendeil sure...
SaleXchannel 2 months ago
very bad game
Champignon1000 2 months ago
HD - I think you should have specific titles for games like this; perhaps, "(Race) Strategies" or even, "(Race) Avantages" considering this game was one sided and this isn't exactly standard play.
Prophecy86x 2 months ago
I noticed how HD says the wrong unit or building a lot. Like proxy stargate for example near the end of the vid.
imbringinsexybackyea 2 months ago
10:46 One proxy stargate :) I love yah HD
Gympy16 2 months ago
are you sure its not "Virus Song"?
houchi69 2 months ago
brilliant game. bravo!
morradi10000 2 months ago
all these scrubs who think they're special crying about cheese games. The ability to beat even the master players early with good micro is something to look lowly upon? that why you're in that scrub league you're in and they're at where they are.
AllstarHunE 2 months ago
Boring as hell game, why idiots vote this one up? It's a proxy gateway rush terren never recovered from, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING special. If terren made a come back this would worth watching, but as is, it's about a GM played like some diamond and don't know when he should be walling off.
HyperOpticalSaint 2 months ago
@HyperOpticalSaint
wut league u in?
end of discussion.
AllstarHunE 2 months ago
@AllstarHunE You don't have to be in a high league to be able to comment on a game. Good commentators tend to suck in-game, and good players tend (TEND) to have shitty commentaries. So by your logic, no one is ever able to comment on a game simply because of their background.
It pisses me off when I mention how a player could have done better in a situation or how they sucked at one part, and someone claims I have no say in the matter simply because I'm aren't on the same level. I can see too.
crazygeek4296 2 months ago
@crazygeek4296
HDstarcraft masters league zerg player, Day[9]: masters in every race, Artosis &tasteless: masters protoss players, list is endless. good commentators end to suck in game? good players tend to have shitty commentaries? good logic. what league u in? scrub.
AllstarHunE 2 months ago
@AllstarHunE Gold, actually. Yeah I know, OH YOU NOOB OH YOU NOOB. Damn straight I'm a noob. I can't control my units well at all, my multitasking sucks ass, but I understand the mechanics of the game pretty damn well. And what I meant by "sucked" in game was in comparison to the Professionals. To the average person, yes some commentators are good, but they would die instantly to pros. And for fucks sake, just have a normal debate with someone on the internet without insulting them. Jesus.
crazygeek4296 2 months ago
TO THE PEOPLE COMPLAINING THEY WASTED THEIR PRECIOUS 11 MINUTES-
:STOP BITCHING, YOU'RE NOT THAT IMPORTANT LIKE U THINK U ARE. THX.
HD FIGHTING.
AllstarHunE 2 months ago 9
what a shietty game.
yoyofish 2 months ago
10:48, "one proxy stargate!"
me: uhh.... thats a warp gate.
KingdomMay 2 months ago
I wasn't aware I was watching Will Cheese Fail... boring game.
Reruro 2 months ago
what a lame game from the toss player :/ so fucking cheesy
Revelstoke905 2 months ago
Umm... that was sorta lame.
Uzee13 2 months ago
lol
horrible game for real. i mean how do grand masters make stupid mistakes like that? and i thought i sucked in plat league
Utubesuxmycock 2 months ago
nice proxy stargate
waltermatthewberg 2 months ago
Hd you never look at the screen when you cast, he clearly got stim and you saw that while the tech lab was highlighted
neeltank 2 months ago
This game just goes to show you can be bad at the game and still make your way to the top.
Allskil88 2 months ago
I actually like this one.
pizzabaecker123 2 months ago
shit game.... how the hell was this "top rated"
TheOnlyLonelyNerd 2 months ago
lmao i thought terran was gonna win...
ny1fanta 2 months ago
worst BORAT voice ever
mdsklz 2 months ago
@mdsklz ackbar
xDanielWangx 2 months ago
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mdsklz 2 months ago
HD, respect to your casting, but this game sucked balls. As a terran player, it was just frustrating, and as protoss player, it just wasn't... respectable.
crazygeek4296 2 months ago 28
@crazygeek4296
"As a terran player"
Says it all really. This is what it feels like when you bunker rush or hold somene in with seige tanks. I think it's a great game. A TvP which doesn't rely on Collosi, Vikings and Mass EMP.
Karmoon7 2 months ago
@Karmoon7 I don't know if you saw the second half of my comment: "as [a] protoss player, it just wasn't... respectable."
Just because you have had experiences involving bunker rushes and mass emp doesn't mean that is what I consider a good game. And it also doesn't justify a protoss player doing that same kind of cheese, simply because 'it's happened to him before'.
crazygeek4296 2 months ago
@Karmoon7 Hold someone in with Siege tanks? LOL.. you serious. Protoss doesn't need to tech to get outside of there base.. they just build a pylon near the edge and warp there units outside of there base. Forcefields are a joke and sentries should start with only 40 energy.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@crazygeek4296 This loss is entirely the terran player's fault. Can't bitch about protoss being cheesy if you leave the front door wide open.
AngryScissor 2 months ago
@AngryScissor I'm not denying that in the slightest. Doesn't stop it from not being a good game.
crazygeek4296 2 months ago
@crazygeek4296 this is just showing how ff radius should be reduced, because its just 2 effective to continually ff the ramp with only 1 ff. just like everybody bashed and just talked crap of emp radius being 2 big.
tiputipu777 2 months ago
@tiputipu777 Well, honestly I'm pretty ambivalent on force fields since I mainly play Terran and don't see them too often. However, I know for Zerg that they are a fucking bitch to deal with, but I don't think that they should be reduced in size necessarily but maybe in duration; that way Protoss can hold off early pressure but not spam everlasting force fields without ever running out of energy.
crazygeek4296 2 months ago
@crazygeek4296 yea im main terran 2 and a master player on 1v1. and yep ur right, i didnt think about zerg rushing and everything. and it would have been 2 hard to make the ff just the right size if it would be reduced. ur right, that either the ff duration should be reduced or the ff energy cost from 50 to 75
tiputipu777 2 months ago
@crazygeek4296 As a Terran player???? This game was a GREAT game! Virus SHOULD have done something once he took that SCV into Hasu's base and only found a Pylon in production. At that timing, you should know better. The only people disliking this game/video are Terran baddies. The contain was great, the macro was great, taking advantage of Virus' mistakes, also great.
Stop crying.
Joshgt2 2 months ago
@Joshgt2 Exactly. Once at a high level of play, even minor slips can tilt the balance heavily. If two noobs play against each other and one noob doesn't scout properly, he won't be behind too much because the other noob can't utilize that advantage. But a good player doesn't let you off the hook that easily.
lagerbaer 2 months ago
@Joshgt2 *Sigh* Why the "Stop crying."? Why couldn't you just leave it at a respectable response? Would make it a lot easier to have a debate with you.
Yeah, it was great, or at least decent, on the Protoss player's part. But what pissed me off about this game was the lack of concentration/ bad play on the Terran's part. Just because one player did well doesn't mean it was a good game. Imagine someone like Dimaga playing a bronze leaguer... would the game be good because Dimaga would steamroll?
crazygeek4296 2 months ago
@crazygeek4296 define respectable
cazooyork 2 months ago
@cazooyork When both players have a chance of winning. Yes, I know the terran had a chance at the beginning, but after he screwed up majorly and refused to wall off for whatever reason, the game was pretty much lost.
crazygeek4296 2 months ago
@crazygeek4296 Why does a replay of a Terran player getting outplayed make the game suck? How is it not respectable?
mrrobotica 2 months ago
@mrrobotica Okay, have you ever played a game in a placement match against someone who sucked completely? And of course you just steamrolled? Well, I have, and yeah it was a win, but it didn't feel hard earned nor really that great. And that's what I felt while watching this game; it had zero connection to Virus being terran or Hasu being protoss. It was just that I don't think watching a german shepard crush a chihuahua is a particularly interesting or fair fight (I don't watch dog fights btw.)
crazygeek4296 2 months ago
1. Transcribe audio.
2. Watch Mel's Lawsuit Obs, the yellow proton VS Buyers On, the red karen.
juujuuuujj 2 months ago
wow.. finally a toss winning against terran on HD's channel?
in a cheesy, retarded, fucking annoying way.. but yea.. it's the fucking lowrace for people that are to retarded to play normal.. wtf should we expect..
MachinistakaxERo 2 months ago
There is a counter to this pressure and it's called Medivacs or Warp Prisms or Nydus Worms... Ssrly ppl if you think FF is OP then you're at Wood league... >_> L2P then complain again ppl.
KnightKiller1000 2 months ago
force field is so broken, emp destroying force field would somewhat balance it
dontpokethekenny 2 months ago
awsome shoutcast but really.. that protoss player was cheesing
tsabszy 2 months ago
Fucking Protoss bull shit. FUCK PROTOSS.
capsule56 2 months ago
@capsule56 why do u hate protoss?
droga187 2 months ago
3:30 A wild Stalker appears!
TheLastZiggen 2 months ago
That's an anti spoiler FYI :D
TheLastZiggen 2 months ago
That hydra play was fuckin SICK ;]
TheLastZiggen 2 months ago
obviously psy is the best caster
slavouno 2 months ago
HD:
+ Voice
+ Often has good games (tho old)
0 Strategy (uneven)
- Bad game awareness
- Bad sense of humour
- Bad at selecting the correct units (showing healthbars)
LarsSod 2 months ago
@LarsSod Why did you come to his page specifically to say that? What a dick thing to do. I personally feel he does a great job at casting, lay off him.
capsule56 2 months ago
@capsule56 : well he didn't flame HD, did he? he just mentioned the strengths and weaknesses of HD as a caster. If no one mention HD's weaknesses there's no way HD can improve, and that is not helping him.
cytheh 2 months ago
@capsule56 There's a difference between constructive criticism and bashing. But it's good that you in particular think he does a great job, since your opinion alone represents everyone elses. Especially in this video where the general consensus seems to be directly opposite of yours.
LarsSod 2 months ago
OP Overlords
SirGecko01 2 months ago