You Ukrainians don't understand that we Lemkos don't want to be one nation with you. I simply don't feel Ukrainian my native language and Ukrainian culture my own culture Leave us alone and don't try to persuade our identity and feelings are wrong, blaming Russians and whoever. Our hearts simply don't belong to Ukraine.
Um, Askold... I happen to be 25% Lemko, I happen to be a filmmaker, and I also happen to have made a documentary film which you will see in prominent film festivals in 2009.
I can assure you, that Lemkos have been around long before the KGB was ever a glimmer in Stalin's eye.
It is people like you that would pretend the Hollocaust is a myth, and find joy in genocide and persecution. You are the lowest form of humanity.
Many opinions are based on who you know, where you grew up and what you believe. I will never consider myself Ukrainian. I AM better than that...the Lemko's are better than that. We do not deserve to be painted with the same brush! Operation Wisla was a result of this misconception. The Poles told us we were Ukrainian, so we suffered the same fate as them. Is it rational to blame them however? No. I cannot push this slander on them, despite every emotion in my body telling me to.
Furthermore, despite this rumor of KGB conspiracy and their development of a "Lemko myth", this is utterly preposterous. I am by no means a simple man. I have been around the block, to put it nicely, a few times.
This is my last response to this feed. I cannot fathom wasting any more time on people that just don't get it. I consider myself a Lemko at heart, and it pains me to come to the same realization every time I talk about this subject. There may never be a Lemko culture beyond the current. It will die from confusion and uncertainty to the consequence of our heritage and our ancestry. And so begins my rant!
As I have always said, the best perspective in life is a third perspective because it gathers the clearest form of what I call true rational. It is not biased as a direct or first person perspective would be. Consequently, as is my case, I did not grow up in the Carpathians. I have grown up unbecoming the the regional perspectives. I have only researched, visited, and talked my way into my current understanding of who I am and where I came from.
Additionally, why bother associating our people with Ukraine? If you want to do that, just say your Ukrainian and don't waste your breath talking about the "Lemko Factor" in this Ukrainian nation. I just don't understand...what has Ukraine done for you to make you want to be better Ukrainians than the actual Ukrainians.
It would be great to one day be able to carve out a piece of this earths surface and say "this place is where I am from. This place here with its clearly defined borders and a clearly established culture--a national identity." I fear this case is just not in the cards for us Lemko's as long as we divide nationally on what country we feel closer to. This being said, you can write whatever you want about me or my opinion. I am not as stubborn as many may think, I'm just always right!
Hey you guys can write million times that lemko's are not Ukrainians, but those are just empty words without any back up to prove them. Please, inquire more about KGB's involvment in creation of so called Lemko identity and you'll understand that it is only done to break up Ukrainian nation. With your stubborness you are only tools of Polish and Slovak masters.
Paul Robert Magocsi If you do your research you will find out that he was indeed at the service of Czechoslovak KGB. When in 1990's Czechs opened their KGB files, he was listed under two different nicknames. Magosci himself does not deny the fact, you can ask him about it.
Selfname of ukrainians historicly was always RUSYNY, even at the begining of 20 century ukrainians in whole western ukraine called themselves rusyny. Chelnyc'kyj did not fight for righits of ukrainians he fought for Rusyn's rights, rusyn's fate, rusyns freedom
Name of first ukrainian state is Kyivska RUS.
At a time when Moskovites stole our Rusyn name
to differ from them most people started to use name Ukrainian as it is now.
@pivhucul This is the same old story told by Ukrainians. It is a well-known fact that even before WW II present-day Ukrainians used the name "Rusyn". Nobody denies this fact.
The name doesn't really matter. People like me can't accept the name "Ukrainec" for the reasons I mentioned below. I can't be Ukrainian because I don't identify with the Ukrainian national ethos, its components like language, culture, mentality etc. We are Rusyns but not the Rusyns in the Ukrainian sense.
If you still don't understand this please refer to an articles by WESTERN scholars, not COMMUNIST UKRAINIAN ones. Historian Paul Robert Magocsi is also a good start.
Thank you also goes out to
rusinskyj for helping to try and show our people who we REALLY are!!!
Propaganda of bullshits. If you like to call you Ukrainian - feel free - but don't decide for others, all right? Why not Slovakian? Lots of us look a bit Valahian too - not without a reason - isn't'it?
Perhaps you should stop cowardly hiding behind the idea of a nation with borders and accept the fact that we are a people that will never have a nation, so stop assimilating our culture with Ukraine!
hreko katolyky the religion of western ukraine came about in the 16th century. Lemko People adhere to this religion and the language of prayer is the same. What is your problem
I agree with you they sing in Ukrainian at Festivals, and Churches. The video is beautiful. I had the privalege of being there in June. I am Ukrainian and felt very good in this region. I think it is beautiful, and the video depicts the region and the people, who are dressed in Ukrainian dress and vyshyvky beautifully. My response is to allstarcowboy who seems to be confused with ethnic regions and dialects, and official languages and nations.
The Lemko's are not Ukrainians! They are, in fact, a separate group of people, just as the Ukrainians are separate from the Russians...
There are those, like yourselves, that would argue the contrary in order to call themselves a people that are visible on a map... but the fact still stands, Lemko's—the Carpathian-Rusyn's—are a distinct people of a humble, honest heritage. They are not Ukrainian!
Ofcourse they are Ukrainians. The idea of Lemkos being separate is just a Russian/Czechoslovak KGB invention to break up the Ukrainian minority in Eastern Slovakia. Puppets like YOU do the dirty work while the russians laugh themselves silly.
P.S. Beutiful Ukrainian costumes in that video, I like the one part where they are dressed as Ukrainian cossacks.
I'm just keen on such iluminated guys tellin' me who I am. Do stick your nose to sth you can handle, mate, will ya? I can perfectly do without advisors like ya. Tradition kept by my Family tells me who I am best, so I'll keep that if you don't mind!
Around Javorina mountains -Lemkovina Rusyn homeland.
Около хоры Йаворины — Лемковины Рускей родины
Ondercsanin 1 year ago
Tot suť pisňi kotr mi možeme ukazati tomu svitu i cilomu slovensku, že na vychoďi ľjude žijut !
booomerang33 1 year ago
You Ukrainians don't understand that we Lemkos don't want to be one nation with you. I simply don't feel Ukrainian my native language and Ukrainian culture my own culture Leave us alone and don't try to persuade our identity and feelings are wrong, blaming Russians and whoever. Our hearts simply don't belong to Ukraine.
ka82yetan 2 years ago
@ka82yetan Speak about yourself little boy....Ja je Lemko I ja je Ukrainec i ja je Rusyn
i jak sia tobi nepodoba to pociluj mnia w huzyciu!
ekszha 1 year ago
@ekszha Moj dziadek walil w morde jak Go ktos nazwal Ukraincem.
staryjaszczur 5 months ago
WONDERFUL music, great fotos but are you using Serbian and Ukrainian costumes instead of Lemko costumes?
slocrobear 2 years ago
Откровение ! Разве это не поднохож на Словашки фольклор ? (... играют на большой цимбаль... И използует
"контра" ...) Очень красивый православный храмы !!!!)
Привет от Болгария ! - цимбалист
kavaldzhia 3 years ago
Um, Askold... I happen to be 25% Lemko, I happen to be a filmmaker, and I also happen to have made a documentary film which you will see in prominent film festivals in 2009.
I can assure you, that Lemkos have been around long before the KGB was ever a glimmer in Stalin's eye.
It is people like you that would pretend the Hollocaust is a myth, and find joy in genocide and persecution. You are the lowest form of humanity.
JohnnyHollywood8 3 years ago
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rosto6 2 years ago
Many opinions are based on who you know, where you grew up and what you believe. I will never consider myself Ukrainian. I AM better than that...the Lemko's are better than that. We do not deserve to be painted with the same brush! Operation Wisla was a result of this misconception. The Poles told us we were Ukrainian, so we suffered the same fate as them. Is it rational to blame them however? No. I cannot push this slander on them, despite every emotion in my body telling me to.
allstarcowboy 3 years ago
@allstarcowboy Yeah you are better that that tomu neznasz bisiduwaty po swomu...
ekszha 1 year ago
Furthermore, despite this rumor of KGB conspiracy and their development of a "Lemko myth", this is utterly preposterous. I am by no means a simple man. I have been around the block, to put it nicely, a few times.
allstarcowboy 3 years ago
This is my last response to this feed. I cannot fathom wasting any more time on people that just don't get it. I consider myself a Lemko at heart, and it pains me to come to the same realization every time I talk about this subject. There may never be a Lemko culture beyond the current. It will die from confusion and uncertainty to the consequence of our heritage and our ancestry. And so begins my rant!
allstarcowboy 3 years ago
As I have always said, the best perspective in life is a third perspective because it gathers the clearest form of what I call true rational. It is not biased as a direct or first person perspective would be. Consequently, as is my case, I did not grow up in the Carpathians. I have grown up unbecoming the the regional perspectives. I have only researched, visited, and talked my way into my current understanding of who I am and where I came from.
allstarcowboy 3 years ago
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yoyogirl334 2 years ago
Additionally, why bother associating our people with Ukraine? If you want to do that, just say your Ukrainian and don't waste your breath talking about the "Lemko Factor" in this Ukrainian nation. I just don't understand...what has Ukraine done for you to make you want to be better Ukrainians than the actual Ukrainians.
allstarcowboy 3 years ago
It would be great to one day be able to carve out a piece of this earths surface and say "this place is where I am from. This place here with its clearly defined borders and a clearly established culture--a national identity." I fear this case is just not in the cards for us Lemko's as long as we divide nationally on what country we feel closer to. This being said, you can write whatever you want about me or my opinion. I am not as stubborn as many may think, I'm just always right!
allstarcowboy 3 years ago
Hey you guys can write million times that lemko's are not Ukrainians, but those are just empty words without any back up to prove them. Please, inquire more about KGB's involvment in creation of so called Lemko identity and you'll understand that it is only done to break up Ukrainian nation. With your stubborness you are only tools of Polish and Slovak masters.
Askold 3 years ago
Lemko / Rusin nationality was there many years before KGB.. Those are really similar cultures, but not the same.. You could read more other history..
rosto6 2 years ago
але супер! яка ж наша музыка шумна!
LemRoo 3 years ago
sumni spivanky,slovak
jaroslav7676 4 years ago
ja tiz lemka a poznam aj spivanky mate u mna plus ale najlisa je rodinojko moja :P
orjabincan 4 years ago
Paul Robert Magocsi If you do your research you will find out that he was indeed at the service of Czechoslovak KGB. When in 1990's Czechs opened their KGB files, he was listed under two different nicknames. Magosci himself does not deny the fact, you can ask him about it.
Askold 4 years ago
Selfname of ukrainians historicly was always RUSYNY, even at the begining of 20 century ukrainians in whole western ukraine called themselves rusyny. Chelnyc'kyj did not fight for righits of ukrainians he fought for Rusyn's rights, rusyn's fate, rusyns freedom
Name of first ukrainian state is Kyivska RUS.
At a time when Moskovites stole our Rusyn name
to differ from them most people started to use name Ukrainian as it is now.
pivhucul 4 years ago
@pivhucul This is the same old story told by Ukrainians. It is a well-known fact that even before WW II present-day Ukrainians used the name "Rusyn". Nobody denies this fact.
The name doesn't really matter. People like me can't accept the name "Ukrainec" for the reasons I mentioned below. I can't be Ukrainian because I don't identify with the Ukrainian national ethos, its components like language, culture, mentality etc. We are Rusyns but not the Rusyns in the Ukrainian sense.
ka82yetan 1 year ago
If you still don't understand this please refer to an articles by WESTERN scholars, not COMMUNIST UKRAINIAN ones. Historian Paul Robert Magocsi is also a good start.
Thank you also goes out to
rusinskyj for helping to try and show our people who we REALLY are!!!
allstarcowboy 4 years ago
I'm Lemko, but I'm not Ukrainian!
I'm not a puppet or a kgb, ukrbezbeka or mossad member either. I'm just a person that isn't affraid to show his real nationality
rusinskyj 4 years ago 4
I'm also Lemko and I'm also Ukrainian. Yes! The same way the Hutzuls, Boyko are Ukrainians. Gorals (from Zakopane) are the same way Polish people.
rmirko 4 years ago
Propaganda of bullshits. If you like to call you Ukrainian - feel free - but don't decide for others, all right? Why not Slovakian? Lots of us look a bit Valahian too - not without a reason - isn't'it?
bunkierro 4 years ago
@rusinskyj
White Croatia...Lemki,Rusini
all best from Croatia...we are same nation!!!
Hrvati
Bijela Hrvatska
TMar1991 1 year ago
thanks :-)
pivhucul 4 years ago
Absolutely Beautiful
klychom 4 years ago
somehow they sing in ukrainian, i wonder where they got it from
jaluba2 4 years ago
Perhaps you should stop cowardly hiding behind the idea of a nation with borders and accept the fact that we are a people that will never have a nation, so stop assimilating our culture with Ukraine!
allstarcowboy 4 years ago
hreko katolyky the religion of western ukraine came about in the 16th century. Lemko People adhere to this religion and the language of prayer is the same. What is your problem
klychom 4 years ago
they do not sing in language of prayer which by the way is not ukrainian, they sing in ukrainian language.
jaluba2 4 years ago
I agree with you they sing in Ukrainian at Festivals, and Churches. The video is beautiful. I had the privalege of being there in June. I am Ukrainian and felt very good in this region. I think it is beautiful, and the video depicts the region and the people, who are dressed in Ukrainian dress and vyshyvky beautifully. My response is to allstarcowboy who seems to be confused with ethnic regions and dialects, and official languages and nations.
klychom 4 years ago
The Lemko's are not Ukrainians! They are, in fact, a separate group of people, just as the Ukrainians are separate from the Russians...
There are those, like yourselves, that would argue the contrary in order to call themselves a people that are visible on a map... but the fact still stands, Lemko's—the Carpathian-Rusyn's—are a distinct people of a humble, honest heritage. They are not Ukrainian!
allstarcowboy 4 years ago
Ofcourse they are Ukrainians. The idea of Lemkos being separate is just a Russian/Czechoslovak KGB invention to break up the Ukrainian minority in Eastern Slovakia. Puppets like YOU do the dirty work while the russians laugh themselves silly.
P.S. Beutiful Ukrainian costumes in that video, I like the one part where they are dressed as Ukrainian cossacks.
Askold 4 years ago
I'm just keen on such iluminated guys tellin' me who I am. Do stick your nose to sth you can handle, mate, will ya? I can perfectly do without advisors like ya. Tradition kept by my Family tells me who I am best, so I'll keep that if you don't mind!
bunkierro 4 years ago
Amen brother!
V8FordV8 4 years ago