..asowe. 10:26:50,4 (dyr.) I róbta co chceta? 10:26:51,4 (2P) I róbta co chceta. 10:26:52,4 ............ (słowa, niezrozumiałe) 10:26:53,4 Tło dźwiękowe. 10:26:54,9 Koniec fragmentu nagrania. * - czas skorygowany w oparciu o inne źródła (1P) - pierwszy pilot, Pan A. Protasiuk (2P) - drugi pilot, Pan R. Grzywna (dyr.) - dyrektor protokołu dyplomatycznego, Pan M. Kazana Czułbym się lepiej, gdyby polskie "komisje" się nie błaźniły.
10:26:20* (1P) Panie dyrektorze, wyszła mgła w tej chwili...
10:26:23,7 (1P) W tych warunkach, które są obecnie nie damy rady usiąść. Spróbujemy podejść, zrobimy jedno zajście, ale prawdopodobnie nic z tego nie będzie.
10:26:34,2 (1P) Tak, że proszę iść przekazać głównemu co będziemy robili.
10:26:37,8 (dyr.) Dzielnie próbowali do skutku.
10:26:40,2 (1P) Yy... paliwa nam tak dużo nie starczy, żeby do skutku.
10:26:46,2 (2P) No tu mamy problem, możemy pół godziny powisieć i (odliczanie?) na zap..
The crew and the passengers were murdered - just stop bullshitting people!
There was no tree touched by the plane, there was no other people in the cabin - The plane has been cut into small pieces and never given back to polish authorities. The tree was cut the same day and the traces of the crash-area have been erased - These are facts!!
@voobaa you are lenin's idiot, yea... right... Kaczynski's governement presented such big thread to the world power balance.... even the US dropped the case (no contact with Kaczynski) avoiding this idiocy of megalomaniac.
"Inexperienced crew members, a lack of bad-weather readiness, pressure from passengers to land quickly and the pilots' refusal to look for an alternative landing site"
This is change already..its not true anymore,and you should remove that info ...Someone should help Poland to resolve that situation...We are a bit to week against Rosja...Hope real true will come out soon!
Pragnę przypomnieć Polaczkom, że pierwszy pilot tego nieszczęsnego rejsu miał w dniu wylotu sfałszowane papiery zezwalające na lot. Wykazali to Rosjanie w swoim raporcie (sfałszowany egzamin Protasiuka w Brukseli - strona 20 Raportu MAK) i potwierdziła komisja Millera. A najczęściej powtarzające się zdanie raportu Rosjan dot. wyszkolenia pilotów? "Dokumentów nie dostarczono". To, co się działo w 36 pułku to skandal i dobrze, że go zamknęli. Wielu woli jednak fantazjować i wypierać prawdę.
@HippKRK actually it was more like military airfield not to be used for accepting this kind of flights, the airfield crew was NEVER officially informed about this flight. Angry Jew Kaczynski forced the WHOLE flight and landing.
How the f*ck do You know this ? There was no evindence of KAczynski forcing this .... but the propaganda said it is and now idiots like u believe it ; )
@izajasz333 A Jew Lech Kaczynski, when president of the Republic of Poland, flying to Georgia called the pilots cowards and threatened them with military court, as they refused to land due to the conditions. L. Kaczynski was not invited, moreover he was PERSONA NONGRATA allmost evrywhere in Europe since he antagonized all the governements. How the hell you didn't know that?
@HHHPPP8 Yeah, with mafia of oligarchs, capitalism is when all people have capital, and i bel;ieve than most russians are poor, not like africa , but poor. It is not capitalism, id is new feudalism with unvisible slavery.
I am a pole and I can tell you that lech kaczynski was just a small annoying cocksucker not a president... I was actually happy that he died - but it's a great loss that the crew died too
An assassination is now confirmed?. As sure as can be is that an "umbrella is not a parachute," and knocking out windows on the plane TU-154M is sufficient evidence in Colleague Court for the prosecutor to investigate the obliterating of evidence.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.Kapr.Rez.Lot.Pol. and the first soldier of the Krasulapakt.
@Krischan76 And who`s whineing here? Try to point out some Kremlin lies, murders or thievery and you`ll see for yourselve... most likely complains about big bad usa boo hoo.
An assassination is now confirmed?. As sure as can be is that an "umbrella is not a parachute," and knocking out windows on the plane TU-154M is sufficient evidence in Colleague Court for the prosecutor to investigate the obliterating of evidence.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.Kapr.Rez.Lot.Pol. and the first soldier of the Krasulapakt.
Zamach to jest dzisiaj pewne?. Tak pewne jak pewne jest to, ze "Parasolka to nie spadochron" a wybijanie szyb w samolocie TU-154M to wystarczajacy dowod dla prokuratora sadu kolezenskiego na wszczecie dochodzenia w sprawie zacierania sladow.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.Kapr.Rez.Lot.Pol. oraz pierwszy zolnierz Krasulapakt.
jak mozez w ogole cos takiego mowic ty pie*dolony poj*bie jeden z drugim, skad masz JAKIEKOLWIEK zweryfikowane dane o tym, ze mogloby to byc cos innego niz wypadek z powodu niedopatrzen? Byle debil rzuci kretynskie haslo, zeby sie pokazac, a potem banda bezmozgow powtarza to na prawo i lewo az urosnie to do legendy. Dopoki nie bedzie FAKTOW i DOWODOW trzym plebejski prymitywie ryj na klodke. A nawet jesli to byl spisek i zamach - ch*j wam do tego? Co wam to zmieni jako owsikom zyjacym w gownie?
So what do the Polish apologist say to the government report? Is it still only Russian lies, despite admitting that the pilots were inadequately rested, the navigator didn't meet the criteria, and other inconsistencies?
BTW Russian guvernment gave us black box'es of aircraft after many many months, that means that the boxes could be changed... in anyway they want... it already happend with airbous accident some time ago i dont remeber when but if you search for it you will find it !!
LIARS LIARS LIARS LIARS i mean russian guvernment... first of all i dont want to offence any of russian people, i've got many russian friends, what i mean i dont blame all russians but only... Russian guvernment its a lie that our pilots wasn't not experienced it's big LIE !!!
Russian MAK report is a sophisticated manipulation of events of the tragedy. It has nothing to do with the TRUTH. Despite of its efforts in misleading world's public opinion, destruction of the wrack of the plane, intimidating honest Russian witnesses, blackmailing of the crooked Polish government ministers and their FULL co-operation, keeping black boxes and wrack of the plane under Russian government "protection" in Russia, etc, etc. the TRUTH will be known. It is just a matter of time...
According to producer of an American-made black box all the electronic instruments had stopped working 15 m above the ground. There are also too many other documented facts indicating a willful destruction of TU-154M. The Russian and (non)Polish government co-operation in a cover-up of the crime is undeniable! The Polish elite on the plane had been eliminated.
Pytanie11,Dla Rodakow i Braci Rosjan. Dlaczego w celu unikniecia Smolenskiej katastrofy nie powiedziano zalodze samolotu TU154M, ze w oparciu o optyczna kontrole stwierdzono tylko czesciowe wysuniecie podwozia samolotu i dalsze ladowanie doprowadzi do katastrofy.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.kpr.Rez.Lot.Pol.47Szps. oraz pierwszy zolnierz Krasulapakt.
Question 11: For Polish Citizens and our Russian Brothers. Why, in the goal to escape the Smolensk catastrophe, did nobody warn the crew of the TU154M that, on basis of optical control, it was found that the landing gear of airplane is partially extended and continuing with a landing would result in disaster.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.Kpr.Rez.Lot.Pol.47Szps.oraz pierwszy zolnierz Krasulapakt.
@podajdalej11 What optical control? There was no visual contact between PLF101 and ground control. There was a fog, remember? The ground control was unable to see the plane at all, much less make out fine details like not fully extended landing gear.
Podczas wykonywania kopii pozytywowej z negatywu stosuje się metodę stykową polegająca na nawinięciu na rolki kopiarki taśmy negatywu i przykryciu jej światłoczułą taśmą pozytywową. Ze względu na minimalnie różną odległość taśm od środka rolek konieczne było wycinanie otworów perforacji w obu materiałach w różnych odstępach (pitch).
As per BBC aviation experts (not Russian if you want to know), the terrain prior airfield is a valley which is 15-30 meters lower than airfield. So that explains why altimeter shows 15 meters. When pilots saw tree tops, it was too late and they couldn't avoid contact with elevating ground.
I like conspiracy theories myself, but that's not one of them.
@jozosz This is not propaganda, this is reality. You funny ridiculous Polish know always truth -you have God and that's enough. Your truth is religion but not reality.
Fog, visibility 400 m which means that approaching at 250 km/h the pilot can see at less than 6 seconds ahead. At 10:24:51.2 there is a message in Russian that says: "No conditions to land". No further comment.
Besides, one of those 2 brothers called immigrants - like myself - " losers". Therefore I don't give a flying fuck that one of those 2 ugly, useless trolls is in a coffin. Fuck this turd! I hope the other piece of shit who's still alive joins him soon!
"It looks like DIRECT EVIDENCE of MEACONING - how delayed was the falsed information from the GPS satellite system"
As implied by its name, this corrected barometric altitude doesn't have anything to do with the the GPS, and altitude information is fed to the FMS from on-board sensors. Googling the subject reveals that this altitude is used by the FMS for vertical navigation, and on page 120 of the report it says that this function of the FMS wasn't used at all. I'm sorry.
On-board computer doesn't measure elevation above ground, altimeters do. The altimeter you refer to is a radio altimeter, which readings became meaningless when the plane started banking left.
"We had enough soviet propaganda"
The Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc were dissolved by the very Soviet Union itself more 20 years ago. You were a kid when Perestroika and Glastnost started. So I'm not sure how you can be fed up with it.
On-board computer doesnt measure elevation above the ground, but it has an internal clock, on which we may rely and tell WHEN some things happened. Page 119 of the Polish translation of the MAK report: "Power failure FMS (freezing of memory) occurred on 10.41.05, at the height of the barometric corrected to the level of the airport at an altitude of about 15 feet, cruising speed of 145 knots (~270 kmph), at the position 54°49.483 north latitude and 032°03.161 east longitude.
The coordinates of the place where the plane crashed (exactly the coordinates of the center of the zone), according to MAK is 54°9.450N and 32°03.041E (p. 88 of Polish rep.MAK translation).
The MAK report shows that the moment of impact to the ground, which was to be the direct cause of the destruction of machinery, coincides with the moment of freezing the memory of board computer. The plane could not be 15m above the airport and at the same time break the ground!!!
Yeah, sure... Soviet MAK has the best psychologists in the world: they can examine their patients even after their death. You know what I mean: MAK's cocnusion that pilots were under pressure to land.
Secondly, Smolensk case is THE ONLY IN THE WORLD, when the wreck IS NOT EXAMINED in the process of investigation to find the truth.
Thirdly: POland hasn't received the black boxes yet. One year has gone. WHAT DOES THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT WANT TO HIDE???
Yes, psychologists do not need live person to evaluate its condition, recorded speech and factors which he interacted with is more than enough. Its science.
Regulations which FORBID any person except the crew being in a cockpit is NOT for fun. The whole aviation minister was there and he was drunk.
Secondly: wrecks WAS examined, but technicaly this plane was normal.
Thirdly: Tu-154 is RUSSIAN jet - so WE are first to decrypt its BB - then you will have them
P.S. And what can have Russian goverment to hide? Shot down them with S-300? You people are just paranoids - if we wanted this plane to crash - it would NOT be Smolensk - it could crash in Warcaw or anywhere else OUTSIDE CIS. Even then you paranoids would blame Russia because its Russian plane
Sorry its all ultimate bullshit - people survived any crash VERY rare, small explosion and this plane is no more.
And as native Russian speaker i can tell you that translation of the video you gave me is RIDICULOUS FAKE. There was no survivors and its firefighters, airfield guard and gapers on the video.
Yeah, sure. Those POLISH sentences (Uspokój się, patrz mu w oczy) were said by... umh... locals.
Yeah. That was fake.
I know that this truth is hardly acceptable for you. You are not only one who cannot accept it. But with or without your acceptance it stays true. There were POLISH survivors, which voices were captured on that video.
If you dont distinguish between latin and cyryllic, between polish and russian, if you keep staying in lies - it's your choice. Prawda i tak zwycięży. Prawda o Katyniu musiała czekać dziesiątki lat. Prawda o Smoleńsku już wychodzi na jaw.
No matter how hard you'll deny, this movie (in some other copies) had milions of views and polish people can hear "Uspokój się", "Patrz mu w oczy", "Uspokój się!". Even some Russians agree. You can use your bad words, but you wont change facts. You may not believe them, you may try to hide them, but you wont change the facts.
"Poznajcie prawdę, a prawda was wyzwoli" said Jesus
There is NO polish voices fuckwit and EVEN if there where - there was ENTIRE FUCKING YAK-40 FULL OF POLES LANDED ON THIS AIRFIELD LOL))) It was FULL OF POLISH JOURNALISTS AND OFFICIALS LOL))) THEY COULD RUN TO THE CRASH SITE AMONG FIRST, DUMMY))
Its just FANTASTIC how you polish fuckwits can WARP THE FUCKING REALITY IN YOUR PATHOLOGIC HATE TO RUSSIA))))
Where in my point of view you see "HATE TO RUSSIA"? In fact, I am AWARE of Kremlin politics against my country. Usual Russians showed a great sympathy to my nation.
As I can see, you cannot accept that there is a clear evidence of MAK/Kremlin swindle in Smolensk crash. And therefore you accuse me for "HATE TO RUSSIA". I know, that in this short "conversation" you will not change your mind. But I want you to know, that due to those obvious Kremiln swindles WE WANT TRUTH.
"Kremlin politics against your country" - i seeeeee))) And what it is? They planted trees where that plane crashed like 70 years ago? LOL))))
What should i accept, idiot? Your sick fantasies? Nope - that does not work)))
Tell me do you INSIST that there where NO Yak-40 full of poles on that airfield? None of them could get to the crash site? None of them could be heard on the video EVEN if there where any polish speech - while there isn`t any? Answer it LOL)))
It's pointless to talk with you. Especially that you cannot talk without using words like "idiot", "fuck" etc.
1. The MAK report is a bulshit. Why? The pilot gave command "Odchodzimy" (go-around) on the heigth 100m. This command was acknowledged by co-pilot. It meant that the pilots DIDNT LAND. They made an attempt to go down to the height of 100 m and they decide to fly away. TELL ME WHY MAK HAS "FORGOTTEN" THIS FACT???? CAN YOU ANSWER???
1. It was NOT *pilot* who gave command "go around" - it was CO-PILOT and with speed of descent = 9m/s they HAD NO TIME already at 100m. MAK did NOT forgotten this - its IN the MAK report, fuckwit
2. YAK-40 landed 1,5 hours BEFORE crash, dummy, DO NOT TELL ME FUCKWIT THAT THEY WASN`T allowed to leave it LOL))) There was fucking TONNES of poles on the crash site! And that cell-phone video was made when firefighters was ALREADY on crash site - they came there BEFORE even GUARDS
Lol so it was command of co-pilot to pilot? Because it came BEFORE pilot said it in polish delusional edited version of MAK report)) LOL))
The video was made AFTER firefighters arrived moron - because they was closer to crash site than ANY residental areas and they arrived there on AUTOMOBILES, and you CAN SEE those firefighters on the video - firefighters are NOT necessarily men in red clothing with firehoses))) AND crash site is TO BIG to film it with CELLPHONE IN A SMOKE
Cellphones are ringing? Moron in MODERN airliners like Tu-154M you CAN use cellpones - ASPECIALY inside a fucking PRESIDENT`S AIRLINER LOL))) Moreover its forbidden to have outsiders in COCKPIT too - but we all know there was POLISH AF CHIEF - and he was DRUNK
And as i said there is NO any polish words on the video and BECAUSE of that we will never know who was it))) And EVEN if it was - it was ANY of those poles from Yak-40 and hotel - ONLY
@MarshallJukov U coward, u blocked me, just not to have unconvienient comments for u.I know it is nice to be surrounded by comiee admirers and your worshippers so u just choose the easiest way not be troubled.You have no guts!!!You are not a man!
Of cource i blocked you troll bitch. Because i don`t like when people like you shit on my page with clueless, factless idiotic insults.
At lease you could use a bit of good behavior and send your shit via PM. But now - go and break your hollow head on nearest wall because i have no time for dumb horny baboons like you.
2. There were some Poles in the Yak, but they didnt have any PERMISSION to leave the plane. They stayed there for a long time. There were also some jurnalists in the hotel near the airfield. One of them - Wiśniewski was the FIRST POLE on the crash site. When he arrived, the firefighters were already on the place. So, MAK report DOESNT ANSWER on the question: WHO WAS/WERE THE POLISH, which voices were captured on the video. The only logical answer stays: THE SURVIVOR/SURVIVORS.
Correction: Yak-40 landed at 7:20 which is almost FOUR hours before the crash))) And since JOURNALISTS where there - they SUPPOSED TO FILM PRESIDENT PLANE LANDING AND MEETING OF ITS PASSENGERS, moron. And as YOU said there where ALREADY journalists in the hotel! So keep your fucking nut stories for some other sick pole not me!
The distance between these two different points is in the level of 60 meters and height of 15m. It looks like DIRECT EVIDENCE of MEACONING - how delayed was the falsed information from the GPS satellite system on which TU-154M worked.
"It looks like DIRECT EVIDENCE of MEACONING - how delayed was the falsed information from the GPS satellite system"
As implied by its name, this corrected barometric altitude doesn't have anything to do with the the GPS, and altitude information is fed to the FMS from on-board sensors. Googling the subject reveals that this altitude is used by the FMS for vertical navigation, and on page 120 of the report it says that this function of the FMS wasn't used at all. I'm sorry.
You sure are nice patriotic pole defending your country's dignity, but it doesn't excuse you from not having brains. 8m/s descent speed is irrelevant at the moment of crash, when they hit the tree they were actually climbing. So in the end they fell from a height of 10 meters, heads down, with horizontal speed of 250+ km/h and the fuselage the airplane crushing them from above. I'm not sure how can you survive that.
1.The captain gave a command "Odchodzimy" (go-around) which was acknowleged by the crew. MAK has "forgotten" this FACT.
2.There were surviovors(!), you can hear POLISH voices on a movie made soon after the crash BEFORE the rescue teams (firefighters, ambulance) arrived: /watch?v=ZDRZwKPedro
3.Russians dont allow polish prosecutors to analyze the wreck, dont want to return original black boxes. They gave us copies twice, copies werent the same!
Most airlines require their pilots to have aircraft stable before descending bellow 1000 feet (300 meters). Stable means on approach speed (-0/+5 knots) and vertican speed of no more than 1000 fpm (about 4-5 m/s). If those are not met by 1000 feet/ 300m, then the crew MUST go around. In fact it is required standard to pass a test for a captain's licence of a large jet.
Neither was met in this case. If this was his checkride in a simulator, he would fail at 300m and the ride would be over.
The "go around" command came from copilot, which captain obviously ignored. 8m/s is about double descend rate of what is internationally considered a stable approach. Normally 3.5 - 4 m/s or about 700 feet/m. That alone will set off "Terrain ahead" warning as it did in this case and again ignored by captain.
Newer systems say "sink rate" instead to tell pilot of a steep discend.
the " go around" command came from the captain and on a decision level (100 m). This command was repeated/ecknowleged by the co-pilot. "Reliable" MAK report doesnt mention these FACTS. What are they affraid if, that they need to lie?
MAK says that the plane was landing with the vertical speed 8 m/s. This is about 30kmph. I have NEVER seen such a completely destroyed plane which fell down from 2.5 m with a speed 30 kmph.
1.The captain gave a command "Odchodzimy" (go-around) which was acknowleged by the crew. MAK has "forgotten" this FACT.
2.There were surviovors(!), you can hear POLISH voices on a movie made soon after the crash BEFORE the rescue teams (firefighters, ambulance) arrived: /watch?v=ZDRZwKPedro
3. The "polish" government is affraid of the true and cooperates with MAK in this soviet propaganda.
4. The western goverments dont want any trouble and keep silence.
Thanks for that comment. My purpose is not to keep blaming someone but to look for the truth. I'll contact my friend, who heleped me in translation to acknolwedge your way of unnderstanding.
Any pilot who does anything other than a go around at first activation of TAWS/GPWS demontrates poor judgment and wreckless attitude. To those not from aviation community, its like getting in a car with no brakes and going for a drive. Stupid and borderline crazy.
Activation of TAWS system at anytime must be followed by an agressive go around. That is tought to all pilots world wide. Crews are not allowed to question or to justify TAWS warrnings, but to immidiatly execute an escape and once at safe altitude, figure out what happened.
You seem to fail to grasp one basic fact. The tower controller had _much_ less accurate information about flight parameters than the crew. He had a blip on a screen, and they had GPS, altimeters, airspeed indicators, vertical speed indicators. All the information about their position, deviation from the glideslope, distance from the runway, vertical speed, height above ground and the runway. They had all this information available to them in _real_time_. And failed to utilize it properly.
"IL - 76 when landing had his right wing 4 meters over the land before pulling up."
Where did you get this nonsense from? Radio Maria?
"Do some math 400 km/h (plane speed) and 10 km how much time is that you brainiac?" That's 1.5 minutes, although average speed on glideslope is lower than that, so it's closer to 2 minutes. Is this number supposed to prove something?
The Poles, Smolensk is a cursed land for you. Forget about Katyn and never come here cuz every pole dies here one way or another... It's just a polish damnation.
@KhanFus1on Do some math 400 km/h (plane speed) and 10 km how much time is that you brainiac? And just to let you know landing starts way before 10 km.
Funny Polish nacionalist and xenofobs will never admit huge numbers of mistakes which naturally lead into the crash. So many fatal mistakes from pilots who should be elite of the Air Forces is incredible. Total lack of professionalism.
Why Polish pilots ignored order from controller to stand by at 120m and continued to descend despite TAWS warnings? It is more then 1 minute from the first "Terain ahead" until the crash. Enough time to take decision and leave.
@dalxo LOL do you even know what xenofobs mean? You meant rusofobs. The simple truth is the pilots made terrible mistakes which led to the tragedy but the traffic controllers did to. Telling them they were on the right path for landing being 120 higher and 70 to the left was one of them. The "airport" procedures completely failed, the controllers were useless. Not saying it was for purpose it was just the way it is in Russia. Polish crew should have known that. As simple as that.
@seqds You are lying SEQD. You mentioned pilots where landing when this is not true. They didn't get landing clearance and they were allow to descend only to 120m. Why pilots ignored their altimeters and why they ignored TAWS? Why they were descending even if they were not allowed to do that and continued even when TAWS screamed pull-up?
Controllers were all the time right what they said to them: Their radar had tolerance and the crew was within the radar tolerance.
@dalxo Are you faking kidding me? You call 120 higher and 70 left `tolerance` when landing? Get serious. They made all this mistakes because they were getting wrong informations from the controllers but they shouldnt have listened to them as they had their own radars on the plane. That was their fault. `controllers never said: you are on the right course` they did say that many times even in the MAK`s rapport. If you wanna talk with me at least get the informations right.
@seqds Yes, they were getting really wrong information such as: Low visibility, use back up airports, don't land, don't descend below 120m. Do you have mental problem to understand that in civil flight (which was status of the flight) controller cannot order pilots. When you make trial overfly at 120m altitude you don't need to be precise -point was to check if situation at the decision point (100m) is good or bad for landing.
@dalxo Ohh yeah I forgot this bit. Are you faking kidding me again calling this flight civil? Flight had military status in the books, the pilots were military officers and they were landing on the military airport. At the top of that the traffic controller when questioned said it was a military flight. You just made me so laugh. You Russians have such a huge problems with using your brains. You just buy whatever you hear from the Puttin`s media. Use your brain and your world will broaden.
@seqds I'm not Russian so stop be fascistic you ridiculous Polish looser. All countries and experts in the World (besides Polish) are laughing how Poland tries not to accept their mistakes.
If it was military flight, then why pilots ignored controller order to stay at 120m and report it? Why they suddenly decided to descend and WHY, answer WHY ignored TAWS system.
@dalxo I would be a looser if i was born in Slovakia. Polish is the proudest nation in the world, remember that you small brainless peace of shit. Here are the answers:
1 If it was military flight, then why pilots ignored controller order to stay at 120m and report it?
-because they were told they are much higher than they actually were
@dalxo Why they suddenly decided to descend and WHY, answer WHY ignored TAWS system.
-because they were told they were higher and ignored the radars bacause of that. They shouldnt have done that but its obvieus controllers mistake as well.
TAWS - you can ignore it when you see the airport and descend for landing, they trusted controllers that was their biggest mistake
controllers can't controll the hight of the plane. There were no posibility on that airport.
The hight must be conntroled by navigator. There were 3 devices at the plane to do that. One of them was tuned with mistake. And also it was ravine before airport. Plus very hi speed of landing because of late begin. The best descision was of course second try. And then another airport. Russian IL-76 1 hour before made so. And sucsessfuly landed in Moscow.
@xeroxnew Not only controllers can control the hight, they have to that.The hight must be controlled by the navigator thats right but at the same time by the controllers. Each 10 meters they were going down the pilot should have informed about his current hight and each time the controller should have responded. Thats correct the radar was set up wrong. The speed was wrong as the pilot was informed by the controllers that he was on the right path for landing which miscount flight trajectory.
@xeroxnew IL - 76 when landing had his right wing 4 meters over the land before pulling up. It was a huge mistake of the IL`s pilots and the controllers. After that the airport procedures says the airport should have been closed.That was their first mistake that day. Dont get me wrong. The blame is obvious on polish side but not seeing controllers mistakes is just pure ignorance.
The visibility was below the minimum of the airport, controllers new that before President`s plane took off. Why the they didnt let them know?
They repeated many times they are on the right path for landing when being 120 higher and 70 left. Please dont make ma laugh again with the `tolerance`.
@seqds You are really typical Polish moron. Flight status was CIVIL -undoubtedly. Learn finally international aviation laws and rules. If pilots had the same knowledge about it as you, I'm not surprised they crashed. It was civil flight and in civil flight pilots take responsibility. Before take off they knew visibility is low and cannot land. Why then they took off? Please answer me: Why they took off when they knew it is below minima and won't be able to land safely? Why they take such risk?
@dalxo I am not going to insult you as being Slovakian is insultive enough. You faking idiot call a flight CIVIL and cant justify it. Learn you faking moron that any flight with the president on board is not CIVIL. Not even in Russia. The whole point you faking brainless ignorant is that they didnt get the information from the controllers about the weather being under minimum.
@dalxo One thing is that controller should definitely close that garbage because it is not fair to called that airport differently. Why they closed it now ?. The Russian mission is fulfilled? As I noticed, according to the fake plane demonstration, the plane hit the ground while was 15 m high. How you can explain that? What category of accident it was if not an explosion. Why all evidence is destroyed by Russians such as cutting the plane and tries? Shame on Russian investigators.
Descent speed was too high - 9 m/s - only kamikadze land at such speed. Polish pilots knew that and still didn`t pulled up. First impact was no at 15 m but much lower - the plane crashed into a tree by right wing.
But you poles paranoids - always need someone to blame in your faults - preferably Russians
Get finally understand that in civil flight status the full responsibility for decision have pilots. When pilots where even ignoring on board TAWS system do you really think they would listen to the controller when they even ignored his clearance to descend and stay at 120m? No mistake from controllers happened. Pilots took full responsibility for ignoring controllers permission to stay at 120m. There is nothing more to say. Get finally real. Poland is ridiculous country.
@dalxo The previous plane before TU was landing didnt get clearance eighter and it was complete fak up of the controllers. Obviously you not read the whole transcript, you read only what this manipulative bitch Anodina said. Read the transcript from JAK, the pilot didnt get approval and after it landed the traffic controller is saying "zuch" and cheering how good he is. Are you calling it faking serious? Its not a faking game. Polish mistakes are obvious but they faked up big time as well.
@seqds Now you clearly showed how Polish pilots ignores security rules and are taking risks. This is not first accident of your incompetent and low discipline Polish pilots. They didn't get clearance, i.e. it was their responsibility if they decide to land and if so, it is their responsibility for consequences. JAK was lucky. TU was not lucky. In any of these cases controller didn't allowed to land and adviced to use back up. What about IL? Why IL was intelligent to leave and Polish were stupid?
@dalxo I do see Polish mistakes. They were the major part of that crash. But your problem is that you dont see Russians mistakes. Telling the pilot that he is on the right path for landing was one of them. IL actually almost crashed as well. Its left wing was 4 meters over the airport when pulling up in the last moment. The controllers faked up at that time as well.
All people besides Polish believers see these things clear. It was civil flight, they got clearance to descend to 120m and circle. Pilots ignored controllers and in that case they take full responsibility for their actions and consequences. Meanwhile, controllers never said: You are on the right course, please, find that part in the transcript. It is another polish bullshit and lie who cannot accept the reality and stupidity of Kaczinsky.
@dalxo One more thing. Dont you think its wired that this manipulative bitch Anodina didnt transcript the informations of the obvious controllers mistakes? Dont you think its wired that she got informations from the black box of the President pressurizing the crew which werent there? She was simply lying but its to serious. How could she think that these lies will be left without answering? Thats why many Poles will see this rapport as peace of shit.
@dalxo The other thing is what this manipulative bitch Anodina representing MAK did. She was lying many times about the pressure on the pilots by the President giving quotes to justify it. Unfortunately it comes out that all the quotes from the black box she made were completely different. They had nothing to do with pressurizing the crew. It is very shallow manipulation undermining the whole rapport. It was all made to move responsibility on the pilots whitening the traffic controllers.Lame.
why the moderator don`t say that the tower told the crew in the plane that they are everytime on the right course? If the plane is not on the right course they had too say this but they didn`t. Theira are so much points wrong in the offical MAK report I can`t believe. In other things nobody believe russians but in this katastrophy everybody say yes the russians report is right.
As noted in this video, it's deviation was within acceptable limits until the last 15 seconds.
"In other things nobody believe russians"
You wanted to say nobody _wants_ to believe. You nationalistic complexes and inability to admit your own failures blaming them on others is your problem, not ours.
I will not say that the whole blame is by russians. Bouth side had make failures. But the russian version gives the who blame too the polish side and that`s not true bouth hab make failures. Thats shows that their report is not objective. And yes i love my country what is wrong about this? I`m in shame about the actual political party that is on power because they did`t give the analysis directly too an international agency. Do you know that the families calles D. Tusk a snitch!?
"And yes i love my country what is wrong about this?"
Because it causes you to _lie_. Not you directly, but your so called investigators, who merely reiterated what MAK said about plane being not exactly on course, but conveniently "forgot" to add that the plane was within glidepath deviation limits, so tower controller reports were correct.
IŁ-76 nie ladował,bo miał tylko sprawdzić stan pułapki na TU-154 prezydenta Kaczyńskiego i całego sztabu Wojska Polskiego,czołowych elit Narodu Polskiego.Czy taka okazja do zemsty za Gruzję,psucie interesów Rosji na Ukrainie,popieranie opozycji na Białorusi oraz wiele innych politycznych powodów mogła ujść uwadze KGB-owskiej władzy Rosji.Kiedy Naród Rosyjski wypusci z więzienia Chodorkowskiego,a zamknie tam Putina i jego sitwę ?
With new finding first pilot gave command to go around, confirmed by copilot.
Problem is that go around (Uhod) button doesn't work in this condition.
My question is shouldn't this be in manual with bold and capital huge fonts???
Russians are not sure. So pilots were fine they were sure that they activated go around procedure.
Problem is why they were mislead by controllers that they are 1km closer to airfield than in reality? Or they had shit equipment or it was intentional.
too obviously. I don't understand what there can be questions at the polish party... our dispatchers operated under the instruction. the rest - ridiculous imaginations and conjectures of the polish russophobs
A decaptitation of the entire top of government, likely because they noted a vast disparity in numbers of dead (orgainized by Religious adherence) in the run-up to (and during) WWII.
Stalin and Hitler, both willing thralls of FR Ledowchowski SJ.
The jesuit attempted to kill your Polish Pope, and he was quite docile and compliant after the attempt. Thats why he was so forgiving of the patsie.
This so called re-enactment and transcript....manufactured twaddle. At no time did the aircrew note they were below glideslope, nor did their terrain warning equipment warn them of anything, as they were being guided into the ground. It is only at the last second, when they could see the ground that they acted...too late.
Прям перед этим лесочком ,где он упал,идёт автострада.Возможно увидев свет фар авто пилот принял их за посадочные огни,тогда вполне резонно он оказался в канаве.
Pisopata 1 week ago
10:26:20* (1P) Panie dyrektorze, wyszła mgła w tej chwili...
10:26:23,7 (1P) W tych warunkach, które są obecnie nie damy rady usiąść. Spróbujemy podejść, zrobimy jedno zajście, ale prawdopodobnie nic z tego nie będzie.
10:26:34,2 (1P) Tak, że proszę iść przekazać głównemu co będziemy robili.
10:26:37,8 (dyr.) Dzielnie próbowali do skutku.
10:26:40,2 (1P) Yy... paliwa nam tak dużo nie starczy, żeby do skutku.
10:26:46,2 (2P) No tu mamy problem, możemy pół godziny powisieć i (odliczanie?) na zap..
Pisopata 1 week ago
Where can I find an english cvr transcript?
PostalCode74 1 month ago
You should redefine whole facts in this reconstruction. New fact where found in the flight recorder, by Polish investigators in Krakow.
Secondly does any one know how should look landing procedure inlcuding 2 beacons.?
sircof 1 month ago
yeah sure!
The crew and the passengers were murdered - just stop bullshitting people!
There was no tree touched by the plane, there was no other people in the cabin - The plane has been cut into small pieces and never given back to polish authorities. The tree was cut the same day and the traces of the crash-area have been erased - These are facts!!
voobaa 1 month ago
@voobaa you are lenin's idiot, yea... right... Kaczynski's governement presented such big thread to the world power balance.... even the US dropped the case (no contact with Kaczynski) avoiding this idiocy of megalomaniac.
Beskidekk 1 month ago
35:36 - the pilot says "odchodzimy" - this means "go around". Why the plane did not react due to this fact?
FrogXP 1 month ago
@FrogXP because TU-154 is like a flying rock :( reaction... after breakfast
Wonzky27 1 month ago
@FrogXP couse the pitots did NOTHING!
Beskidekk 1 month ago
MAK = Gang of liars
Lajkonik 1 month ago
"Inexperienced crew members, a lack of bad-weather readiness, pressure from passengers to land quickly and the pilots' refusal to look for an alternative landing site"
This is change already..its not true anymore,and you should remove that info ...Someone should help Poland to resolve that situation...We are a bit to week against Rosja...Hope real true will come out soon!
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Pragnę przypomnieć Polaczkom, że pierwszy pilot tego nieszczęsnego rejsu miał w dniu wylotu sfałszowane papiery zezwalające na lot. Wykazali to Rosjanie w swoim raporcie (sfałszowany egzamin Protasiuka w Brukseli - strona 20 Raportu MAK) i potwierdziła komisja Millera. A najczęściej powtarzające się zdanie raportu Rosjan dot. wyszkolenia pilotów? "Dokumentów nie dostarczono". To, co się działo w 36 pułku to skandal i dobrze, że go zamknęli. Wielu woli jednak fantazjować i wypierać prawdę.
kadykianus 2 months ago
We can find fault in Polish side but Russians also are there to blame ! There airport was like from Stone Age.
HippKRK 2 months ago
@HippKRK It was a military airfield, not a civilian.
HHHPPP8 1 month ago
@HippKRK actually it was more like military airfield not to be used for accepting this kind of flights, the airfield crew was NEVER officially informed about this flight. Angry Jew Kaczynski forced the WHOLE flight and landing.
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@Beskidekk
How the f*ck do You know this ? There was no evindence of KAczynski forcing this .... but the propaganda said it is and now idiots like u believe it ; )
izajasz333 1 month ago
@izajasz333 A Jew Lech Kaczynski, when president of the Republic of Poland, flying to Georgia called the pilots cowards and threatened them with military court, as they refused to land due to the conditions. L. Kaczynski was not invited, moreover he was PERSONA NONGRATA allmost evrywhere in Europe since he antagonized all the governements. How the hell you didn't know that?
Beskidekk 1 month ago
@izajasz333 CIA knows everything!!!
Beskidekk 1 month ago
bolsheviks always lie and kill good people
INeedToLiveLonger 2 months ago
@INeedToLiveLonger The Bolsheviks were long gone, back from the past.
HHHPPP8 1 month ago
@HHHPPP8 And theirs children just gave power, right?
INeedToLiveLonger 1 month ago
@INeedToLiveLonger Today's Russia - a capitalist country.
HHHPPP8 1 month ago
@HHHPPP8 Yeah, with mafia of oligarchs, capitalism is when all people have capital, and i bel;ieve than most russians are poor, not like africa , but poor. It is not capitalism, id is new feudalism with unvisible slavery.
INeedToLiveLonger 1 month ago
@INeedToLiveLonger But this is not communism.
HHHPPP8 1 month ago
@HHHPPP8 Yea... thanks to fucking jewish solidarity
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@HHHPPP8 hahahahahahahahaha... good joke !
Lajkonik 1 month ago
@INeedToLiveLonger
I am a pole and I can tell you that lech kaczynski was just a small annoying cocksucker not a president... I was actually happy that he died - but it's a great loss that the crew died too
kerimil 1 month ago
@kerimil nie kłam szmato!!!
wis12345 1 month ago
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jedna szmata nie zyje druga jeszcze zyje ;-)
kerimil 1 month ago
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bakit naman ilalagay ung mga kulang sa experience na crew members sa president's plane.. hello?
The1211deep 2 months ago
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An assassination is now confirmed?. As sure as can be is that an "umbrella is not a parachute," and knocking out windows on the plane TU-154M is sufficient evidence in Colleague Court for the prosecutor to investigate the obliterating of evidence.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.Kapr.Rez.Lot.Pol. and the first soldier of the Krasulapakt.
podajdalej11 2 months ago
1)
Polish pilots.
Polish pilots landing in Warsaw
showed conclusively that they are elites.
In the elites of emergency landing,
if someone had doubted it.
Now Mrs. Anodina will walk saddened
because her twisted theory becomes suppressed and ridiculed.
podajdalej11 3 months ago
2)
Thank you Captain Wrona. You showed
that airplane failure will not defeat a Polish pilot.
Only evil guidance can defeat them
and betrayed lights to be altered.
Author Mr. Jan Tarwid.Nov.01/2011,Rochester.N.Y.
podajdalej11 3 months ago
1)
* Piloci.
Polscy piloci Warszawskim ladowaniem
pokazali niezbicie, ze nadal sa w scislej elicie.
W elicie awaryjnego ladowania,
jesli ktos watpil i nie mial co do tego przekonania.
Teraz Pani Anodina bedzie chodzic zasmucona
bo jej pokretna teoria osmieszania zostala ukrocona.
podajdalej11 3 months ago
2)
Dziekujemy Panu Panie kapitanie Wrona
pokazal Pan ze polskich pilotow awaria nie pokona.
Pokonac ich tylko moze zle naprowadzanie
oraz swiatel zdradzeckich dostawianie.
Autor Mr.Jan Tarwid.Nov.01/2011,Rochester.N.Y.
podajdalej11 3 months ago
I type in "Polish AK-47" and I get this.
EquipaPatriot 3 months ago
@Krischan76 And who`s whineing here? Try to point out some Kremlin lies, murders or thievery and you`ll see for yourselve... most likely complains about big bad usa boo hoo.
MaximusProteus 6 months ago
An assassination is now confirmed?. As sure as can be is that an "umbrella is not a parachute," and knocking out windows on the plane TU-154M is sufficient evidence in Colleague Court for the prosecutor to investigate the obliterating of evidence.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.Kapr.Rez.Lot.Pol. and the first soldier of the Krasulapakt.
podajdalej11 7 months ago
Zamach to jest dzisiaj pewne?. Tak pewne jak pewne jest to, ze "Parasolka to nie spadochron" a wybijanie szyb w samolocie TU-154M to wystarczajacy dowod dla prokuratora sadu kolezenskiego na wszczecie dochodzenia w sprawie zacierania sladow.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.Kapr.Rez.Lot.Pol. oraz pierwszy zolnierz Krasulapakt.
podajdalej11 7 months ago
jak mozez w ogole cos takiego mowic ty pie*dolony poj*bie jeden z drugim, skad masz JAKIEKOLWIEK zweryfikowane dane o tym, ze mogloby to byc cos innego niz wypadek z powodu niedopatrzen? Byle debil rzuci kretynskie haslo, zeby sie pokazac, a potem banda bezmozgow powtarza to na prawo i lewo az urosnie to do legendy. Dopoki nie bedzie FAKTOW i DOWODOW trzym plebejski prymitywie ryj na klodke. A nawet jesli to byl spisek i zamach - ch*j wam do tego? Co wam to zmieni jako owsikom zyjacym w gownie?
ObliviousDrone 7 months ago 2
To kogo w końcu wina?
xkarox132 7 months ago
So what do the Polish apologist say to the government report? Is it still only Russian lies, despite admitting that the pilots were inadequately rested, the navigator didn't meet the criteria, and other inconsistencies?
MrPeterKraus 7 months ago in playlist CrossTalk on Oil : $100 Question
BTW Russian guvernment gave us black box'es of aircraft after many many months, that means that the boxes could be changed... in anyway they want... it already happend with airbous accident some time ago i dont remeber when but if you search for it you will find it !!
MrSzymi93 7 months ago
LIARS LIARS LIARS LIARS i mean russian guvernment... first of all i dont want to offence any of russian people, i've got many russian friends, what i mean i dont blame all russians but only... Russian guvernment its a lie that our pilots wasn't not experienced it's big LIE !!!
MrSzymi93 7 months ago
STOP RUSSIAN LIES! WE WANT THE TRUTH!
TURN OFF THE TV! TURN ON YOUR MIND!
DON'T LISTEN TO FAKE HEROES !
ONLY THE TRUTH CAN SET US FREE!
ziemiec1 7 months ago
fucking murderers
mousehead 8 months ago
There are many similarities in the 2 crashes of Polish President Tu-154 and civil Tu-134 RusAir. Human factor
aircrash.ucoz.net/publ/5-1-0-99
aircrash.ucoz.net/publ/5-1-0-139
dimon879 8 months ago
Russian MAK report is a sophisticated manipulation of events of the tragedy. It has nothing to do with the TRUTH. Despite of its efforts in misleading world's public opinion, destruction of the wrack of the plane, intimidating honest Russian witnesses, blackmailing of the crooked Polish government ministers and their FULL co-operation, keeping black boxes and wrack of the plane under Russian government "protection" in Russia, etc, etc. the TRUTH will be known. It is just a matter of time...
edstan37 8 months ago
According to producer of an American-made black box all the electronic instruments had stopped working 15 m above the ground. There are also too many other documented facts indicating a willful destruction of TU-154M. The Russian and (non)Polish government co-operation in a cover-up of the crime is undeniable! The Polish elite on the plane had been eliminated.
edstan37 8 months ago
@edstan37
and then you woke up...
marekmarciniak11 8 months ago
O.podajdalej11
Pytanie11,Dla Rodakow i Braci Rosjan. Dlaczego w celu unikniecia Smolenskiej katastrofy nie powiedziano zalodze samolotu TU154M, ze w oparciu o optyczna kontrole stwierdzono tylko czesciowe wysuniecie podwozia samolotu i dalsze ladowanie doprowadzi do katastrofy.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.kpr.Rez.Lot.Pol.47Szps. oraz pierwszy zolnierz Krasulapakt.
podajdalej11 8 months ago
Question 11: For Polish Citizens and our Russian Brothers. Why, in the goal to escape the Smolensk catastrophe, did nobody warn the crew of the TU154M that, on basis of optical control, it was found that the landing gear of airplane is partially extended and continuing with a landing would result in disaster.
Mr.Jan Tarwid.Kpr.Rez.Lot.Pol.47Szps.oraz pierwszy zolnierz Krasulapakt.
podajdalej11 8 months ago
@podajdalej11 What optical control? There was no visual contact between PLF101 and ground control. There was a fog, remember? The ground control was unable to see the plane at all, much less make out fine details like not fully extended landing gear.
vasjakur 8 months ago
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Podczas wykonywania kopii pozytywowej z negatywu stosuje się metodę stykową polegająca na nawinięciu na rolki kopiarki taśmy negatywu i przykryciu jej światłoczułą taśmą pozytywową. Ze względu na minimalnie różną odległość taśm od środka rolek konieczne było wycinanie otworów perforacji w obu materiałach w różnych odstępach (pitch).
misiek229 10 months ago
Actually, wikipedia also has reference to that same steep valley and subsequent answer to your questions on "suspicious" altimeter readings.
P.S.: I'm neither Polish nor Russian, and have no sympathy for neither of your lot, quite opposite actually.
cyberuz 10 months ago
As per BBC aviation experts (not Russian if you want to know), the terrain prior airfield is a valley which is 15-30 meters lower than airfield. So that explains why altimeter shows 15 meters. When pilots saw tree tops, it was too late and they couldn't avoid contact with elevating ground.
I like conspiracy theories myself, but that's not one of them.
cyberuz 10 months ago
Kaczynski is dead and im happy as fuck ! :d
PlayerG95 10 months ago
If everything here is true , it was bad judgment, period!
YaBaDji 10 months ago
This is not acceptable propaganda. We want to hear the truth from you because we know the truth.
jozosz 10 months ago
@jozosz This is not propaganda, this is reality. You funny ridiculous Polish know always truth -you have God and that's enough. Your truth is religion but not reality.
dalxo 10 months ago
Fog, visibility 400 m which means that approaching at 250 km/h the pilot can see at less than 6 seconds ahead. At 10:24:51.2 there is a message in Russian that says: "No conditions to land". No further comment.
Besides, one of those 2 brothers called immigrants - like myself - " losers". Therefore I don't give a flying fuck that one of those 2 ugly, useless trolls is in a coffin. Fuck this turd! I hope the other piece of shit who's still alive joins him soon!
A good riddance!
DrainExpress 10 months ago
lies. many IMPORTANT aspects were pass over in silence in that report.
qczo 11 months ago
Mysterious fragment on the tape.
Go to 14:28. Was tape cut there??
BraxFinkbrau 1 year ago
@BraxFinkbrau indeed - sound is broken there
janmalolepszy 11 months ago
Nice russian videoclip(; I will wAit for polish report
skywalker131980 1 year ago
--- Listen carefully ---
12:21 (10-28-19) - Navigator says: "Fuuckk" (kuurrwaa) and nocks several times in some device.
idid8787 1 year ago
wtf! i can't read russian! :(
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@kowalczykjanek100
"It looks like DIRECT EVIDENCE of MEACONING - how delayed was the falsed information from the GPS satellite system"
As implied by its name, this corrected barometric altitude doesn't have anything to do with the the GPS, and altitude information is fed to the FMS from on-board sensors. Googling the subject reveals that this altitude is used by the FMS for vertical navigation, and on page 120 of the report it says that this function of the FMS wasn't used at all. I'm sorry.
KhanFus1on 1 year ago
Jest takie stare narzędzia, aby dowiedzieć się prawdy i dla Polaków i rosyjskich - spadek duńskiego króla:)
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youtube.com/watch?v=_erQnM0L62w
xnaturalis 1 year ago
*****thank you that's all I got 2 say******
nowakowski77 1 year ago
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@kowalczykjanek100
"According to the board computer"
On-board computer doesn't measure elevation above ground, altimeters do. The altimeter you refer to is a radio altimeter, which readings became meaningless when the plane started banking left.
"We had enough soviet propaganda"
The Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc were dissolved by the very Soviet Union itself more 20 years ago. You were a kid when Perestroika and Glastnost started. So I'm not sure how you can be fed up with it.
KhanFus1on 1 year ago
@KhanFus1on
On-board computer doesnt measure elevation above the ground, but it has an internal clock, on which we may rely and tell WHEN some things happened. Page 119 of the Polish translation of the MAK report: "Power failure FMS (freezing of memory) occurred on 10.41.05, at the height of the barometric corrected to the level of the airport at an altitude of about 15 feet, cruising speed of 145 knots (~270 kmph), at the position 54°49.483 north latitude and 032°03.161 east longitude.
kowalczykjanek100 1 year ago
@KhanFus1on
The coordinates of the place where the plane crashed (exactly the coordinates of the center of the zone), according to MAK is 54°9.450N and 32°03.041E (p. 88 of Polish rep.MAK translation).
The MAK report shows that the moment of impact to the ground, which was to be the direct cause of the destruction of machinery, coincides with the moment of freezing the memory of board computer. The plane could not be 15m above the airport and at the same time break the ground!!!
kowalczykjanek100 1 year ago
@kowalczykjanek100
15 feet is not 15m - its ~5m and plane didn`t crashed directly into the ground - its crashed into the forest
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@MarshallJukov
Yeah, sure... Soviet MAK has the best psychologists in the world: they can examine their patients even after their death. You know what I mean: MAK's cocnusion that pilots were under pressure to land.
Secondly, Smolensk case is THE ONLY IN THE WORLD, when the wreck IS NOT EXAMINED in the process of investigation to find the truth.
Thirdly: POland hasn't received the black boxes yet. One year has gone. WHAT DOES THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT WANT TO HIDE???
kowalczykjanek100 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
Yes, psychologists do not need live person to evaluate its condition, recorded speech and factors which he interacted with is more than enough. Its science.
Regulations which FORBID any person except the crew being in a cockpit is NOT for fun. The whole aviation minister was there and he was drunk.
Secondly: wrecks WAS examined, but technicaly this plane was normal.
Thirdly: Tu-154 is RUSSIAN jet - so WE are first to decrypt its BB - then you will have them
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
P.S. And what can have Russian goverment to hide? Shot down them with S-300? You people are just paranoids - if we wanted this plane to crash - it would NOT be Smolensk - it could crash in Warcaw or anywhere else OUTSIDE CIS. Even then you paranoids would blame Russia because its Russian plane
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@MarshallJukov
Why Smolensk and not Warsaw? Just to be sure that "nobody survived". "все погибли".
There WERE survivors: /watch?v=ZDRZwKPedro
kowalczykjanek100 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
Sorry its all ultimate bullshit - people survived any crash VERY rare, small explosion and this plane is no more.
And as native Russian speaker i can tell you that translation of the video you gave me is RIDICULOUS FAKE. There was no survivors and its firefighters, airfield guard and gapers on the video.
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@MarshallJukov
Yeah, sure. Those POLISH sentences (Uspokój się, patrz mu w oczy) were said by... umh... locals.
Yeah. That was fake.
I know that this truth is hardly acceptable for you. You are not only one who cannot accept it. But with or without your acceptance it stays true. There were POLISH survivors, which voices were captured on that video.
kowalczykjanek100 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
Pffff its only polish SUBTITLES there while speech is entirely RUSSIAN ))))
Stop making clown of yourself
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@MarshallJukov
If you dont distinguish between latin and cyryllic, between polish and russian, if you keep staying in lies - it's your choice. Prawda i tak zwycięży. Prawda o Katyniu musiała czekać dziesiątki lat. Prawda o Smoleńsku już wychodzi na jaw.
kowalczykjanek100 10 months ago
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MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
Там нет ни одного слова по польски придурок)))) Как же вы заебали со своими бреднями идиоты тупорылые))))
There is no any fucking word in polish, fuckface))))
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@MarshallJukov
No matter how hard you'll deny, this movie (in some other copies) had milions of views and polish people can hear "Uspokój się", "Patrz mu w oczy", "Uspokój się!". Even some Russians agree. You can use your bad words, but you wont change facts. You may not believe them, you may try to hide them, but you wont change the facts.
"Poznajcie prawdę, a prawda was wyzwoli" said Jesus
kowalczykjanek100 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
There is NO polish voices fuckwit and EVEN if there where - there was ENTIRE FUCKING YAK-40 FULL OF POLES LANDED ON THIS AIRFIELD LOL))) It was FULL OF POLISH JOURNALISTS AND OFFICIALS LOL))) THEY COULD RUN TO THE CRASH SITE AMONG FIRST, DUMMY))
Its just FANTASTIC how you polish fuckwits can WARP THE FUCKING REALITY IN YOUR PATHOLOGIC HATE TO RUSSIA))))
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@MarshallJukov
Where in my point of view you see "HATE TO RUSSIA"? In fact, I am AWARE of Kremlin politics against my country. Usual Russians showed a great sympathy to my nation.
As I can see, you cannot accept that there is a clear evidence of MAK/Kremlin swindle in Smolensk crash. And therefore you accuse me for "HATE TO RUSSIA". I know, that in this short "conversation" you will not change your mind. But I want you to know, that due to those obvious Kremiln swindles WE WANT TRUTH.
kowalczykjanek100 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
"Kremlin politics against your country" - i seeeeee))) And what it is? They planted trees where that plane crashed like 70 years ago? LOL))))
What should i accept, idiot? Your sick fantasies? Nope - that does not work)))
Tell me do you INSIST that there where NO Yak-40 full of poles on that airfield? None of them could get to the crash site? None of them could be heard on the video EVEN if there where any polish speech - while there isn`t any? Answer it LOL)))
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@MarshallJukov
It's pointless to talk with you. Especially that you cannot talk without using words like "idiot", "fuck" etc.
1. The MAK report is a bulshit. Why? The pilot gave command "Odchodzimy" (go-around) on the heigth 100m. This command was acknowledged by co-pilot. It meant that the pilots DIDNT LAND. They made an attempt to go down to the height of 100 m and they decide to fly away. TELL ME WHY MAK HAS "FORGOTTEN" THIS FACT???? CAN YOU ANSWER???
(... to be continued)
kowalczykjanek100 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
1. It was NOT *pilot* who gave command "go around" - it was CO-PILOT and with speed of descent = 9m/s they HAD NO TIME already at 100m. MAK did NOT forgotten this - its IN the MAK report, fuckwit
2. YAK-40 landed 1,5 hours BEFORE crash, dummy, DO NOT TELL ME FUCKWIT THAT THEY WASN`T allowed to leave it LOL))) There was fucking TONNES of poles on the crash site! And that cell-phone video was made when firefighters was ALREADY on crash site - they came there BEFORE even GUARDS
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@MarshallJukov
What you have in MAK report is ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of co-pilot. But MAK forgot pilot's command.
The movie on the crashsite was recorded BEFORE firefighter arrived. You are denyig obvious FACTS. Can you see any firefighter on the video???.
Other facts: polish cellphones were ringing on the crashsite. It's forbidden to have them switched on onboard.
AFTER 1 YEAR after the crash we dont know WHO WAS SPEAKING the words "Uspokój się", "Patrz mu w oczy". Who was shooting and why.
kowalczykjanek100 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
Lol so it was command of co-pilot to pilot? Because it came BEFORE pilot said it in polish delusional edited version of MAK report)) LOL))
The video was made AFTER firefighters arrived moron - because they was closer to crash site than ANY residental areas and they arrived there on AUTOMOBILES, and you CAN SEE those firefighters on the video - firefighters are NOT necessarily men in red clothing with firehoses))) AND crash site is TO BIG to film it with CELLPHONE IN A SMOKE
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
Cellphones are ringing? Moron in MODERN airliners like Tu-154M you CAN use cellpones - ASPECIALY inside a fucking PRESIDENT`S AIRLINER LOL))) Moreover its forbidden to have outsiders in COCKPIT too - but we all know there was POLISH AF CHIEF - and he was DRUNK
And as i said there is NO any polish words on the video and BECAUSE of that we will never know who was it))) And EVEN if it was - it was ANY of those poles from Yak-40 and hotel - ONLY
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@MarshallJukov U coward, u blocked me, just not to have unconvienient comments for u.I know it is nice to be surrounded by comiee admirers and your worshippers so u just choose the easiest way not be troubled.You have no guts!!!You are not a man!
donittto 10 months ago
@donittto
Of cource i blocked you troll bitch. Because i don`t like when people like you shit on my page with clueless, factless idiotic insults.
At lease you could use a bit of good behavior and send your shit via PM. But now - go and break your hollow head on nearest wall because i have no time for dumb horny baboons like you.
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
2. There were some Poles in the Yak, but they didnt have any PERMISSION to leave the plane. They stayed there for a long time. There were also some jurnalists in the hotel near the airfield. One of them - Wiśniewski was the FIRST POLE on the crash site. When he arrived, the firefighters were already on the place. So, MAK report DOESNT ANSWER on the question: WHO WAS/WERE THE POLISH, which voices were captured on the video. The only logical answer stays: THE SURVIVOR/SURVIVORS.
kowalczykjanek100 10 months ago
@kowalczykjanek100
Correction: Yak-40 landed at 7:20 which is almost FOUR hours before the crash))) And since JOURNALISTS where there - they SUPPOSED TO FILM PRESIDENT PLANE LANDING AND MEETING OF ITS PASSENGERS, moron. And as YOU said there where ALREADY journalists in the hotel! So keep your fucking nut stories for some other sick pole not me!
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
@KhanFus1on
The distance between these two different points is in the level of 60 meters and height of 15m. It looks like DIRECT EVIDENCE of MEACONING - how delayed was the falsed information from the GPS satellite system on which TU-154M worked.
kowalczykjanek100 1 year ago
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@kowalczykjanek100
"It looks like DIRECT EVIDENCE of MEACONING - how delayed was the falsed information from the GPS satellite system"
As implied by its name, this corrected barometric altitude doesn't have anything to do with the the GPS, and altitude information is fed to the FMS from on-board sensors. Googling the subject reveals that this altitude is used by the FMS for vertical navigation, and on page 120 of the report it says that this function of the FMS wasn't used at all. I'm sorry.
KhanFus1on 1 year ago
@kowalczykjanek100
You sure are nice patriotic pole defending your country's dignity, but it doesn't excuse you from not having brains. 8m/s descent speed is irrelevant at the moment of crash, when they hit the tree they were actually climbing. So in the end they fell from a height of 10 meters, heads down, with horizontal speed of 250+ km/h and the fuselage the airplane crushing them from above. I'm not sure how can you survive that.
KhanFus1on 1 year ago
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@KhanFus1on
I repeat:
1.The captain gave a command "Odchodzimy" (go-around) which was acknowleged by the crew. MAK has "forgotten" this FACT.
2.There were surviovors(!), you can hear POLISH voices on a movie made soon after the crash BEFORE the rescue teams (firefighters, ambulance) arrived: /watch?v=ZDRZwKPedro
3.Russians dont allow polish prosecutors to analyze the wreck, dont want to return original black boxes. They gave us copies twice, copies werent the same!
kowalczykjanek100 1 year ago
@KhanFus1on
4.According to the board computer, the plane crashed, when it was 15 m above the ground (!)
Thank you for calling me patriotic Pole, but I cannot accept such a crop of lies. We had enough soviet propaganda in Poland for over 40 years.
Best regards
kowalczykjanek100 1 year ago
Most airlines require their pilots to have aircraft stable before descending bellow 1000 feet (300 meters). Stable means on approach speed (-0/+5 knots) and vertican speed of no more than 1000 fpm (about 4-5 m/s). If those are not met by 1000 feet/ 300m, then the crew MUST go around. In fact it is required standard to pass a test for a captain's licence of a large jet.
Neither was met in this case. If this was his checkride in a simulator, he would fail at 300m and the ride would be over.
tiverton 1 year ago
The "go around" command came from copilot, which captain obviously ignored. 8m/s is about double descend rate of what is internationally considered a stable approach. Normally 3.5 - 4 m/s or about 700 feet/m. That alone will set off "Terrain ahead" warning as it did in this case and again ignored by captain.
Newer systems say "sink rate" instead to tell pilot of a steep discend.
tiverton 1 year ago
@tiverton
the " go around" command came from the captain and on a decision level (100 m). This command was repeated/ecknowleged by the co-pilot. "Reliable" MAK report doesnt mention these FACTS. What are they affraid if, that they need to lie?
kowalczykjanek100 1 year ago
MAK says that the plane was landing with the vertical speed 8 m/s. This is about 30kmph. I have NEVER seen such a completely destroyed plane which fell down from 2.5 m with a speed 30 kmph.
Assasination?
kowalczykjanek100 1 year ago
SOVIET LIARS!
1.The captain gave a command "Odchodzimy" (go-around) which was acknowleged by the crew. MAK has "forgotten" this FACT.
2.There were surviovors(!), you can hear POLISH voices on a movie made soon after the crash BEFORE the rescue teams (firefighters, ambulance) arrived: /watch?v=ZDRZwKPedro
3. The "polish" government is affraid of the true and cooperates with MAK in this soviet propaganda.
4. The western goverments dont want any trouble and keep silence.
Want truth? Thumb up!
kowalczykjanek100 1 year ago
@kowalczykjanek100
I'm a native Russian speaker and your transcript for /watch?v=ZDRZwKPedro is wrong. I made a comment to that video describing what they really say.
MikeKushnir 1 year ago
@MikeKushnir
Thanks for that comment. My purpose is not to keep blaming someone but to look for the truth. I'll contact my friend, who heleped me in translation to acknolwedge your way of unnderstanding.
Best regards!
kowalczykjanek100 1 year ago
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@kowalczykjanek100
And this videoclip is truth? Or it all the same a paper hoax? Also cease to use the term "Soviet"! It is ridiculous!
HHHPPP8 1 year ago
Ludzie, ściągajcie póki możecie, bo to jest twardy dowód rzeczowy na kłamstwa MAK w sprawie Smoleńska. Jak się zorientują, to zdejmą...
krzychol66 1 year ago
Any pilot who does anything other than a go around at first activation of TAWS/GPWS demontrates poor judgment and wreckless attitude. To those not from aviation community, its like getting in a car with no brakes and going for a drive. Stupid and borderline crazy.
tiverton 1 year ago
Activation of TAWS system at anytime must be followed by an agressive go around. That is tought to all pilots world wide. Crews are not allowed to question or to justify TAWS warrnings, but to immidiatly execute an escape and once at safe altitude, figure out what happened.
tiverton 1 year ago
2seqds
You seem to fail to grasp one basic fact. The tower controller had _much_ less accurate information about flight parameters than the crew. He had a blip on a screen, and they had GPS, altimeters, airspeed indicators, vertical speed indicators. All the information about their position, deviation from the glideslope, distance from the runway, vertical speed, height above ground and the runway. They had all this information available to them in _real_time_. And failed to utilize it properly.
KhanFus1on 1 year ago
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"IL - 76 when landing had his right wing 4 meters over the land before pulling up."
Where did you get this nonsense from? Radio Maria?
"Do some math 400 km/h (plane speed) and 10 km how much time is that you brainiac?" That's 1.5 minutes, although average speed on glideslope is lower than that, so it's closer to 2 minutes. Is this number supposed to prove something?
KhanFus1on 1 year ago
Charles Darwin is maybe unknown in Poland
Maggo309 1 year ago 2
Poland cannot PULL UP.
Anonoize 1 year ago
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Stenogramy z rozmów kontrolerów-Konferencja Millera część 1, 18.01.2011.avi
This are records of ATC with TU154M .
The MAK report is NEXT PART OF HARRY POTTER!
FRANKyyyyy100 1 year ago
The Poles, Smolensk is a cursed land for you. Forget about Katyn and never come here cuz every pole dies here one way or another... It's just a polish damnation.
Veter23 1 year ago 2
Rosjanie włączyli pozorną dalszą radiostację prowadzącą ,tak by samolot nie był w osi pasa.Udowodnienie jest kwestją czasu.
HARAKIRILIFE 1 year ago
@HARAKIRILIFE Samolot nie rozbił się dlatego że nie był w osi pasa.
Kolgejt77 1 year ago
"You call 120 higher and 70 left `tolerance` when landing?"
Not "when landing", but more like 8-10 kilometers away.
KhanFus1on 1 year ago
@KhanFus1on Do some math 400 km/h (plane speed) and 10 km how much time is that you brainiac? And just to let you know landing starts way before 10 km.
seqds 1 year ago
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@seqds
"You call 120 higher and 70 left `tolerance` when landing?"
You lie. Not "when landing", but more like 8 kilometers away.
"Polish is the proudest nation in the world"
Gonor.
KhanFus1on 1 year ago
Funny Polish nacionalist and xenofobs will never admit huge numbers of mistakes which naturally lead into the crash. So many fatal mistakes from pilots who should be elite of the Air Forces is incredible. Total lack of professionalism.
Why Polish pilots ignored order from controller to stand by at 120m and continued to descend despite TAWS warnings? It is more then 1 minute from the first "Terain ahead" until the crash. Enough time to take decision and leave.
dalxo 1 year ago
@dalxo LOL do you even know what xenofobs mean? You meant rusofobs. The simple truth is the pilots made terrible mistakes which led to the tragedy but the traffic controllers did to. Telling them they were on the right path for landing being 120 higher and 70 to the left was one of them. The "airport" procedures completely failed, the controllers were useless. Not saying it was for purpose it was just the way it is in Russia. Polish crew should have known that. As simple as that.
seqds 1 year ago
@seqds You are lying SEQD. You mentioned pilots where landing when this is not true. They didn't get landing clearance and they were allow to descend only to 120m. Why pilots ignored their altimeters and why they ignored TAWS? Why they were descending even if they were not allowed to do that and continued even when TAWS screamed pull-up?
Controllers were all the time right what they said to them: Their radar had tolerance and the crew was within the radar tolerance.
dalxo 1 year ago
@dalxo Are you faking kidding me? You call 120 higher and 70 left `tolerance` when landing? Get serious. They made all this mistakes because they were getting wrong informations from the controllers but they shouldnt have listened to them as they had their own radars on the plane. That was their fault. `controllers never said: you are on the right course` they did say that many times even in the MAK`s rapport. If you wanna talk with me at least get the informations right.
seqds 1 year ago
@seqds Yes, they were getting really wrong information such as: Low visibility, use back up airports, don't land, don't descend below 120m. Do you have mental problem to understand that in civil flight (which was status of the flight) controller cannot order pilots. When you make trial overfly at 120m altitude you don't need to be precise -point was to check if situation at the decision point (100m) is good or bad for landing.
dalxo 1 year ago
@dalxo Ohh yeah I forgot this bit. Are you faking kidding me again calling this flight civil? Flight had military status in the books, the pilots were military officers and they were landing on the military airport. At the top of that the traffic controller when questioned said it was a military flight. You just made me so laugh. You Russians have such a huge problems with using your brains. You just buy whatever you hear from the Puttin`s media. Use your brain and your world will broaden.
seqds 1 year ago
@seqds I'm not Russian so stop be fascistic you ridiculous Polish looser. All countries and experts in the World (besides Polish) are laughing how Poland tries not to accept their mistakes.
If it was military flight, then why pilots ignored controller order to stay at 120m and report it? Why they suddenly decided to descend and WHY, answer WHY ignored TAWS system.
dalxo 1 year ago
@dalxo I would be a looser if i was born in Slovakia. Polish is the proudest nation in the world, remember that you small brainless peace of shit. Here are the answers:
1 If it was military flight, then why pilots ignored controller order to stay at 120m and report it?
-because they were told they are much higher than they actually were
seqds 1 year ago
@dalxo Why they suddenly decided to descend and WHY, answer WHY ignored TAWS system.
-because they were told they were higher and ignored the radars bacause of that. They shouldnt have done that but its obvieus controllers mistake as well.
TAWS - you can ignore it when you see the airport and descend for landing, they trusted controllers that was their biggest mistake
seqds 1 year ago
@seqds
controllers can't controll the hight of the plane. There were no posibility on that airport.
The hight must be conntroled by navigator. There were 3 devices at the plane to do that. One of them was tuned with mistake. And also it was ravine before airport. Plus very hi speed of landing because of late begin. The best descision was of course second try. And then another airport. Russian IL-76 1 hour before made so. And sucsessfuly landed in Moscow.
xeroxnew 1 year ago
@xeroxnew Not only controllers can control the hight, they have to that.The hight must be controlled by the navigator thats right but at the same time by the controllers. Each 10 meters they were going down the pilot should have informed about his current hight and each time the controller should have responded. Thats correct the radar was set up wrong. The speed was wrong as the pilot was informed by the controllers that he was on the right path for landing which miscount flight trajectory.
seqds 1 year ago
@xeroxnew IL - 76 when landing had his right wing 4 meters over the land before pulling up. It was a huge mistake of the IL`s pilots and the controllers. After that the airport procedures says the airport should have been closed.That was their first mistake that day. Dont get me wrong. The blame is obvious on polish side but not seeing controllers mistakes is just pure ignorance.
seqds 1 year ago
@dalxo I will ask you 2 simple questions:
The visibility was below the minimum of the airport, controllers new that before President`s plane took off. Why the they didnt let them know?
They repeated many times they are on the right path for landing when being 120 higher and 70 left. Please dont make ma laugh again with the `tolerance`.
seqds 1 year ago
@seqds You are really typical Polish moron. Flight status was CIVIL -undoubtedly. Learn finally international aviation laws and rules. If pilots had the same knowledge about it as you, I'm not surprised they crashed. It was civil flight and in civil flight pilots take responsibility. Before take off they knew visibility is low and cannot land. Why then they took off? Please answer me: Why they took off when they knew it is below minima and won't be able to land safely? Why they take such risk?
dalxo 1 year ago
@dalxo I am not going to insult you as being Slovakian is insultive enough. You faking idiot call a flight CIVIL and cant justify it. Learn you faking moron that any flight with the president on board is not CIVIL. Not even in Russia. The whole point you faking brainless ignorant is that they didnt get the information from the controllers about the weather being under minimum.
seqds 1 year ago
@dalxo One thing is that controller should definitely close that garbage because it is not fair to called that airport differently. Why they closed it now ?. The Russian mission is fulfilled? As I noticed, according to the fake plane demonstration, the plane hit the ground while was 15 m high. How you can explain that? What category of accident it was if not an explosion. Why all evidence is destroyed by Russians such as cutting the plane and tries? Shame on Russian investigators.
jozosz 10 months ago
@jozosz
Descent speed was too high - 9 m/s - only kamikadze land at such speed. Polish pilots knew that and still didn`t pulled up. First impact was no at 15 m but much lower - the plane crashed into a tree by right wing.
But you poles paranoids - always need someone to blame in your faults - preferably Russians
MarshallJukov 10 months ago
Get finally understand that in civil flight status the full responsibility for decision have pilots. When pilots where even ignoring on board TAWS system do you really think they would listen to the controller when they even ignored his clearance to descend and stay at 120m? No mistake from controllers happened. Pilots took full responsibility for ignoring controllers permission to stay at 120m. There is nothing more to say. Get finally real. Poland is ridiculous country.
dalxo 1 year ago
@dalxo The previous plane before TU was landing didnt get clearance eighter and it was complete fak up of the controllers. Obviously you not read the whole transcript, you read only what this manipulative bitch Anodina said. Read the transcript from JAK, the pilot didnt get approval and after it landed the traffic controller is saying "zuch" and cheering how good he is. Are you calling it faking serious? Its not a faking game. Polish mistakes are obvious but they faked up big time as well.
seqds 1 year ago
@seqds Now you clearly showed how Polish pilots ignores security rules and are taking risks. This is not first accident of your incompetent and low discipline Polish pilots. They didn't get clearance, i.e. it was their responsibility if they decide to land and if so, it is their responsibility for consequences. JAK was lucky. TU was not lucky. In any of these cases controller didn't allowed to land and adviced to use back up. What about IL? Why IL was intelligent to leave and Polish were stupid?
dalxo 1 year ago
@dalxo I do see Polish mistakes. They were the major part of that crash. But your problem is that you dont see Russians mistakes. Telling the pilot that he is on the right path for landing was one of them. IL actually almost crashed as well. Its left wing was 4 meters over the airport when pulling up in the last moment. The controllers faked up at that time as well.
seqds 1 year ago
@seqds Are you finally understood your stupidity or need more answers?
seqds 1 year ago
All people besides Polish believers see these things clear. It was civil flight, they got clearance to descend to 120m and circle. Pilots ignored controllers and in that case they take full responsibility for their actions and consequences. Meanwhile, controllers never said: You are on the right course, please, find that part in the transcript. It is another polish bullshit and lie who cannot accept the reality and stupidity of Kaczinsky.
dalxo 1 year ago
@dalxo One more thing. Dont you think its wired that this manipulative bitch Anodina didnt transcript the informations of the obvious controllers mistakes? Dont you think its wired that she got informations from the black box of the President pressurizing the crew which werent there? She was simply lying but its to serious. How could she think that these lies will be left without answering? Thats why many Poles will see this rapport as peace of shit.
seqds 1 year ago
@dalxo The other thing is what this manipulative bitch Anodina representing MAK did. She was lying many times about the pressure on the pilots by the President giving quotes to justify it. Unfortunately it comes out that all the quotes from the black box she made were completely different. They had nothing to do with pressurizing the crew. It is very shallow manipulation undermining the whole rapport. It was all made to move responsibility on the pilots whitening the traffic controllers.Lame.
seqds 1 year ago
why the moderator don`t say that the tower told the crew in the plane that they are everytime on the right course? If the plane is not on the right course they had too say this but they didn`t. Theira are so much points wrong in the offical MAK report I can`t believe. In other things nobody believe russians but in this katastrophy everybody say yes the russians report is right.
Killerfish221 1 year ago
@Killerfish221
"If the plane is not on the right course"
As noted in this video, it's deviation was within acceptable limits until the last 15 seconds.
"In other things nobody believe russians"
You wanted to say nobody _wants_ to believe. You nationalistic complexes and inability to admit your own failures blaming them on others is your problem, not ours.
KhanFus1on 1 year ago 2
@KhanFus1on
I will not say that the whole blame is by russians. Bouth side had make failures. But the russian version gives the who blame too the polish side and that`s not true bouth hab make failures. Thats shows that their report is not objective. And yes i love my country what is wrong about this? I`m in shame about the actual political party that is on power because they did`t give the analysis directly too an international agency. Do you know that the families calles D. Tusk a snitch!?
Killerfish221 1 year ago
@Killerfish221
"And yes i love my country what is wrong about this?"
Because it causes you to _lie_. Not you directly, but your so called investigators, who merely reiterated what MAK said about plane being not exactly on course, but conveniently "forgot" to add that the plane was within glidepath deviation limits, so tower controller reports were correct.
KhanFus1on 1 year ago
IŁ-76 nie ladował,bo miał tylko sprawdzić stan pułapki na TU-154 prezydenta Kaczyńskiego i całego sztabu Wojska Polskiego,czołowych elit Narodu Polskiego.Czy taka okazja do zemsty za Gruzję,psucie interesów Rosji na Ukrainie,popieranie opozycji na Białorusi oraz wiele innych politycznych powodów mogła ujść uwadze KGB-owskiej władzy Rosji.Kiedy Naród Rosyjski wypusci z więzienia Chodorkowskiego,a zamknie tam Putina i jego sitwę ?
HARAKIRILIFE 1 year ago
With new finding first pilot gave command to go around, confirmed by copilot.
Problem is that go around (Uhod) button doesn't work in this condition.
My question is shouldn't this be in manual with bold and capital huge fonts???
Russians are not sure. So pilots were fine they were sure that they activated go around procedure.
Problem is why they were mislead by controllers that they are 1km closer to airfield than in reality? Or they had shit equipment or it was intentional.
pablobed33 1 year ago
too obviously. I don't understand what there can be questions at the polish party... our dispatchers operated under the instruction. the rest - ridiculous imaginations and conjectures of the polish russophobs
Sergic66rus 1 year ago
A decaptitation of the entire top of government, likely because they noted a vast disparity in numbers of dead (orgainized by Religious adherence) in the run-up to (and during) WWII.
Stalin and Hitler, both willing thralls of FR Ledowchowski SJ.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
The jesuit attempted to kill your Polish Pope, and he was quite docile and compliant after the attempt. Thats why he was so forgiving of the patsie.
This so called re-enactment and transcript....manufactured twaddle. At no time did the aircrew note they were below glideslope, nor did their terrain warning equipment warn them of anything, as they were being guided into the ground. It is only at the last second, when they could see the ground that they acted...too late.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
Прям перед этим лесочком ,где он упал,идёт автострада.Возможно увидев свет фар авто пилот принял их за посадочные огни,тогда вполне резонно он оказался в канаве.
shuljup 1 year ago