Hydrogen Tap (FOCUS-Q VOLTAGE) 410

[Gorby19691969]

He's back everyone!More vids please john.

[wingnut4427]

I have a question. What happens if you use a high grade hydrogen peroxide instead of water ? Just curious. Like a food grade that you can buy at your local health store.

[johnaarons]

interesting..

John AArons

[asphix1976]

I hope evreything is ok I looked forward to his vids and help with my own hho. Gas prices dropped and alot of people have stopped but not John he will keep on just when.

[risby2]

I guess you have been forced to stop posting your results public.

[december105]

John what happened to the scienceway videos?

[alientechshop]

Excellent! cheers to you. I truely believe your on the right track with this. Especially by using water with no additives. Seeing people doing this all wrong is what motivated me to start researching this field. Im not able to say much at this point in time. I was able to produce a small amount, using an oscillating transistor and tap water. I know its not pure water. Im in the process of building a pwm that will do what it needs to do in order to achieve this goal. Keep it up.

[Gorby19691969]

where is John Aarons?

[Gorby19691969]

yeah,i miss john aarons where is my old techno video friend?

[december105]

No videos for the last month what gives?

[williajl1]

John,

The reason for this is simple. The cell is just a capacitor and has a reactance X when introduced to an AC field. I did some cals and assuming that the cell is say 3pF, with 60Hz gives 88.4KOhm so very little current is exchanged and only heat will occur, do to field vibrations.

[gmeatdaddy]

Hi John, I would suggest an LC circuit.Keep plugging along.

-gmeatdaddy

[ZEROPOINT132]

Hi John. If there's water in that cell, if you could just put one of the wires in just touching the water with the other on the plate, you will have the same reading, its just the voltage communicating through the water, Iv proved this many times with my open cell.

If you just put the wires in the water not touching the plates at all, you will get the same reading, from those plates at the bottom.

Thanks.

cheers zeropoint132

[smartin807]

What are the odds you've re-invented the capacitor?

[johnaarons]

I like the way you think..

John AArons

[johnaarons]

Keep thinking... It is interesting and I will be doing more with it.

John AArons

[williajl1]

John, when AC is introduced, things change. The cell is a capacitor, so you will get a reactance. Assuming that the cell is say 3pF, then the reactance will be 884.2KOhm. Hence very little current flowing at all and thus very little Hydrogen. The heat is do to the alternating field vibrations. Reactance is an inverse function of frequency and capacitance.

[williajl1]

In order for AC to work and provide usable current for electralosys, you need to increase the frequency. I.E. 6KHz will give a reactance of 8.8KOhm with 120V that is about 14mA. So say 6GHz would give 14Amps of current. You get the idea.

[johnaarons]

The meter does not complete the circuit. It is interesting and does prove that current does not flow from one electrode to the other.

John AArons

[trailkeeper]

I'm not sure either, it could be something very simple though. If it's getting hot, there must be reasonable current passing through the water, but why is there no gas being produced is the question. Could it have something to do with the increasing ac voltage from 0 to 120 or so affecting how gas is produced near the plates? maby

[trailkeeper]

If it's not the current causing the heat, it could be vibration of the water like a microwave vibrates water to make it hot.

[trailkeeper]

If you do a google search for "electrolysis with ac" theres alot of interesting things.

[trailkeeper]

The overall discussion was that the polarity is switcing back and forth "too fast". If that is the case then maby each half of the ac wave can be used in a seperate H gascell container...and if the increasing voltage does not matter.

[trailkeeper]

So after a bit of looking on the web about this, it seems like perhaps microscopic gas bubbles are produced for an instant, but then they get dissipated or recombined back into water on the next opposite polarity half-cycle of the ac. Anyone else have any ideas?

[water4fuelh20]

Are you sure your o-ring material you have chosen is not a conductor? This will be more prevalent with a/c than DC. All depends on how resistant to conductivity your material is. You would be very surprised.

[johnaarons]

That was a GREAT question... but I checked that I did check that way before I started designing the "Q" but very nicely done..

John AArons

[johnaarons]

The meter is not measuring between one electrode and the outside plate... It is measuring between two outside plates that have nothing to do with the electrodes.. ( N N + N N N - N N ) . The meter is put on the first N plate and the last N plate.

John AArons

[Gioscuo]

Probably some lye and water inside that 'conducts' the plates? What is the resistance between the plates without voltage? It should be 'zero', I think.

[m3sca1]

possibly behaving like a capacitor?

[water2gashawaii]

The a/c causes the atoms to agitate thereby creating heat. You need to us DC so the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms will separate.

[HHOPWR]

It should do that. As long as the outside plates have an electrical connection to where you have the actual connections hooked up to it will all be charged. The electricity only flows between the connections but the whole cell is electrically charged. Eliminate the electrical conductivity between both connections and you have a capacitor. Connect a volt meter between both and you will still read the same voltage.

[johnaarons]

I don't think you are watching...The "AC" is flowing through all the plates... it does not need to flow between the two electrodes...

John AArons

[scarmenl]

You just created a really neat box heater. The power carries in the water.  Welcome to AC.

[johnaarons]

A great water heater..and we go on from there..

Who knows could be someone needs a great water heater...

John AArons

[derbydoug1977]

interesting why would it go out I thought the volts would only go towards it's opposite which neg to pos so that means inward hmmmmmmmm why out thats the ????????