Do you know of any info on restoring a starter? I got a new one, it works, but has more teeth than the one that used to be in my engine, so it turns the engine slower, so it takes more time to start (just a bit, but still). I want to take the starter apart to see if it can be fixed.
Great video. Just like to add that you must use special starter bolts. Ordinary bolts will allow the starter to shift enough to make the starter grind and eventually wear out the flywheel teeth.
"A stitch in time saves nine..." Oh man, I replaced the starter on my '99 Grand Marquis not even KNOWING about this kinda issue... WHAT A BEAR that sucker was... I trust its gonna be fine until, ... well, until we lose the car or... well, I don't wanna THINK about doing that job again... outside... in the rain... on gravel...
@doonbuggy82 Troll. Like enough people are every going to do enough of their own work to bankrupt mechanics. Also auto repair is the only industry where if I want work done they use some magical "average" book to determine it'll take FORTY FIVE minutes to clean my battery terminals and charge me that rate. What idiot experienced mechanic takes 45 minutes to clean battery terminals?
@Reaperofwind It's either or. Charge by the hour and use a standard that makes sense or charge by the job and don't tell you worked more hours than you did in reality. I know it's the system but I really cannot think of any other service done this way. When my lawyer charges me a flat rate for a house closing he doesn't break it into hours except for his own time logs. But when he does charge hourly and get things done quick, he doesn't go to a book and say "oh I should've charged more"
@TiMthisIS Electricians don't get away with such a system of both picking an hourly rate and also using a book to pad the time the job took. Most other industries such a tactic would end up with class action lawsuits. I don't care too much if the hourly rates aren't ticking up too much and I have a fair mechanic. But it can be tricky because there are too many guys who lean on that time book to pad their invoices. Mechanics who pad the hours or markup on parts too much see me less often.
@TiMthisIS the book tells you how long on average the job should take, and thats what you bill. its like if you took your car in for a starter, and a poor mechanic took twice as long to replace it as it should have taken, then you would be happy paying twice as much? good experianced mechanics are faster, and get it done quicker, so does that mean they should be payed less for the same job? thats why the book is used.
@stilldoonit That makes sense but as I pointed out earlier, NO experienced mechanic should take 45 minutes to clean battery terminals "on average". Now, that is what the stealership quoted me once and I about choked on their quote. Now, I paid a paid a local foreign car shop $700 w/parts to change out the head gasket on my 80's VW diesel Rabbit. That was a steal once you figure in the hassle of messing with the injection pump and making sure the valves are in proper position, etc.
@TiMthisIS The book just makes me suspicious and I've seen it prop up lousy mechanics because the shadier ones over quote unsuspecting customers. People have more access to the data with sites like alldata nowadays and that's where one can find out if someone is giving honest quotes or making crap up. I've done plenty of jobs myself especially brakes and find the quotes from unethical chains to be complete fantasy as far as time and materials cost.
That tahoe looks like my 1994 Suburban's little brother. Same paint, grille, roof rack ect. hahaha, Thanks for the video, My starter grinds BAD when starting, obviously haha. I'm glad I have a couple spare starters if it breaks. Time to pull out my starter and check haha.
Great video! I'm having this problem on a 1995 S-10 (same starter), so I can't wait to wait to paint to find out what is wrong! It only happens on the new starter. I'm going with bright orange! I also wanted to mention that BBB Industries has both wiring diagrams and TSB's , so that is a great resource!! Eric shared this with us in a prior video!
I screwed this up twice on an old Buick Skylark that I was trying to fix since I was broke. I'm lucky NAPA replaced it twice. I finally took it to a mechanic after I broke 2 starters.
As a kid growing up on a farm with old parents plus only American made trucks, shimming was the first thing my dad bitched about. Add, old skool mechanic to that and it explains why, some youngins may not know. Shim pieces come with some starters. Besides that, starters can be purchased bad off the shelf.
Hey Eric I know u can convert foot lbs to inch lbs on a tork wrench and I have done it is it a good idea to do this please help I want to adjust the bands on my durango but it says to use an inch lbs tork wrench but all I got is a foot lbs tork wrench????????????????????????????????????????¿????????????
@929rrdan A inch/lbs wrench is 12-times as precise as a foot-lbs wrench. You can just divide or multiply by 12 in order to convert the numbers either way. 1ft-lb = 12 inch-lbs. There are conversions online if you have any trouble with the math -- but the reason for the "inch-lb wrench" is obviously because adjusting the bands on your Durango need careful precision for best adjustment, and a ft-lbs wrench may make it harder to get right.
great vid. i used to have a 97 gmc truck. it would grind after i let off the key, but it only did it when it was below -15c. i looked up the service manual that if it was grinding while starting, remove a shim, if it grinds after the key is let off add a shim. my truck didn't have any shims to being with, and i wasn't about to add a shim to correct a grind at -15c and risk it grinding when it was warm out. i miss that truck, touch the key at -45c and it fired up no problem. new one won't.
ive never heard of shimming a starter over here in the UK , they are just bolted in with no available adjustment to their position , oh well thats me learnt something , ive heard painting the teeth to set up diffs and the paint is called engineers blue . top vid eric :-)
@bashbits Most European starters bolt end wise onto the back of the engine and require no shimming. Tolerances always allow for proper gear tooth engagement anywhere along the length of the gear. VWs were like this from the beginning. Many US engines have starters that bolt length wise onto the bottom of the engine. Tolerances are usually good but any changes will result in improper teeth gear engagement. Notice how this starter is bolted to the engine compared to European engines.
@cornraker - I have done a few, it depends on what company did the replacement part,. some company's don't get it right on so they give you a shim to get it right.
Hi, i have a 01 oldsmobile intrigue with 124000km on it recently its been giving me problems starting up and nearly stalling driving and last night gave me a p0385, ive parked it but is it alright to drive it to the mechanic about 12km away
@thevoidmaker ok after some research i am 100% positive that its your crank sensor. seems like that car has that common problem. if you google your car and model with that code youll get nothing but crank sensor problems
@chrisnjenny100407 so do you think i can drive it over to the mechanics, tow trucks are in short supply due to a insane snowfal amdl record low temperatures
Seems like anything other than nice viscose, inert gear paint would splash and run too much to give you any idea of what needs to be done with shimming. That poster paint seemed to say everything was meshing solidly when it sounded like shallow contact.
Hey, i just bought a 87 Toyota Supra and when i go to stop it wants to die. only when braking it does, this it starts every time afterwards and idles fine. If you could give me some troubleshooting tips i would really like that. Thanks , Jeff
@xmaxjetplane1 It still sounds like a vacuum leak, and since the idle is supposed to drop when the engine is warm it is more prone to stalling in case of a vacuum leak. I am sure there are good guides on youtube for checking starter leaks using propane or some other gas, propane usually being one of the safer options. It can be a pain in the neck though, if the leak is small.
I usually start with re-installing the shims that were there and hope for the best. Thankfully I have not had to re-do one. I hadn't thought of painting the teeth though. Gear paint sounds like a great idea.
i have had three starters to installed on my motor in my 85 Trans Am with 5.0 liter engine. first starter worked four cranks, the starter itself cracked and free spun. second starter the starter wouldn't engage. third starter is what i am currently using now had it for over a year. no problems yet. :)
Do all the starters need to be properply shimmed? Since I kinda have a weird problem with mine but not at startup, but with the engine already running.
Do you know of any info on restoring a starter? I got a new one, it works, but has more teeth than the one that used to be in my engine, so it turns the engine slower, so it takes more time to start (just a bit, but still). I want to take the starter apart to see if it can be fixed.
Any ideas on this?
SpeedFreakNO 3 days ago
"Picassothecarguy"
nateL1914 2 weeks ago
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another question, I'm burning too much oil and is going to the spark plug, could make a video of how to fix that ...
cubahot1 3 weeks ago
Great video. Just like to add that you must use special starter bolts. Ordinary bolts will allow the starter to shift enough to make the starter grind and eventually wear out the flywheel teeth.
MudRFunR 1 month ago
My starter on my 85 chevy grinds some times- not allowing me to start. What does that mean?
SVPrelude 1 month ago
Oh yeah...you do GREAT work with these videos, Eric!!!
THANK YOU!!!
MeInTheCornfield 1 month ago
"A stitch in time saves nine..." Oh man, I replaced the starter on my '99 Grand Marquis not even KNOWING about this kinda issue... WHAT A BEAR that sucker was... I trust its gonna be fine until, ... well, until we lose the car or... well, I don't wanna THINK about doing that job again... outside... in the rain... on gravel...
MeInTheCornfield 1 month ago
may i suggest you use white out ive used it few times and it works perfect the teeth scratch it off leaving a very visible mark
xXxchipperchopperxXx 1 month ago
how come you dont rent or buy a hoist?
versaceboixxx 1 month ago
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Reaperofwind 1 month ago
@doonbuggy82 Troll. Like enough people are every going to do enough of their own work to bankrupt mechanics. Also auto repair is the only industry where if I want work done they use some magical "average" book to determine it'll take FORTY FIVE minutes to clean my battery terminals and charge me that rate. What idiot experienced mechanic takes 45 minutes to clean battery terminals?
TiMthisIS 1 month ago
@TiMthisIS Mechanics don't get paid by the hour they get paid by the job, = book time.
enables u to get over 50hours work in and only work 35hours real time. Its a true sing of skill for the mechanic.
Reaperofwind 1 month ago
@Reaperofwind - its called Flat rate pay
AE86HachiRokuGTS 1 month ago
@Reaperofwind It's either or. Charge by the hour and use a standard that makes sense or charge by the job and don't tell you worked more hours than you did in reality. I know it's the system but I really cannot think of any other service done this way. When my lawyer charges me a flat rate for a house closing he doesn't break it into hours except for his own time logs. But when he does charge hourly and get things done quick, he doesn't go to a book and say "oh I should've charged more"
TiMthisIS 1 month ago
@TiMthisIS Electricians don't get away with such a system of both picking an hourly rate and also using a book to pad the time the job took. Most other industries such a tactic would end up with class action lawsuits. I don't care too much if the hourly rates aren't ticking up too much and I have a fair mechanic. But it can be tricky because there are too many guys who lean on that time book to pad their invoices. Mechanics who pad the hours or markup on parts too much see me less often.
TiMthisIS 1 month ago
@TiMthisIS the book tells you how long on average the job should take, and thats what you bill. its like if you took your car in for a starter, and a poor mechanic took twice as long to replace it as it should have taken, then you would be happy paying twice as much? good experianced mechanics are faster, and get it done quicker, so does that mean they should be payed less for the same job? thats why the book is used.
stilldoonit 3 weeks ago
@stilldoonit That makes sense but as I pointed out earlier, NO experienced mechanic should take 45 minutes to clean battery terminals "on average". Now, that is what the stealership quoted me once and I about choked on their quote. Now, I paid a paid a local foreign car shop $700 w/parts to change out the head gasket on my 80's VW diesel Rabbit. That was a steal once you figure in the hassle of messing with the injection pump and making sure the valves are in proper position, etc.
TiMthisIS 1 week ago
@TiMthisIS The book just makes me suspicious and I've seen it prop up lousy mechanics because the shadier ones over quote unsuspecting customers. People have more access to the data with sites like alldata nowadays and that's where one can find out if someone is giving honest quotes or making crap up. I've done plenty of jobs myself especially brakes and find the quotes from unethical chains to be complete fantasy as far as time and materials cost.
TiMthisIS 1 week ago
great video man
GEO3535 1 month ago
That tahoe looks like my 1994 Suburban's little brother. Same paint, grille, roof rack ect. hahaha, Thanks for the video, My starter grinds BAD when starting, obviously haha. I'm glad I have a couple spare starters if it breaks. Time to pull out my starter and check haha.
iLoveu4ll 1 month ago
Great video! I'm having this problem on a 1995 S-10 (same starter), so I can't wait to wait to paint to find out what is wrong! It only happens on the new starter. I'm going with bright orange! I also wanted to mention that BBB Industries has both wiring diagrams and TSB's , so that is a great resource!! Eric shared this with us in a prior video!
epiphaknee 1 month ago
EPICthecarguy......heheheheeh
moabita00000001 1 month ago
I love my Honda.
thepowderblue212 1 month ago 2
@thepowderblue212 i love mine too.
MrImacarfan 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I screwed this up twice on an old Buick Skylark that I was trying to fix since I was broke. I'm lucky NAPA replaced it twice. I finally took it to a mechanic after I broke 2 starters.
TiMthisIS 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
I have had mostly Fords and never had a shimming issue. Is this just in luck or does ford not have this issue as others do, just curious here.
fordwindsor351 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
Great!!!!!
towermas 1 month ago
i did not see how the shim is placed.. i just saw when you need it and when you dont
wangbungal 1 month ago
who the hell follows Eric to simply dislike his videos?
The rest of us are here to learn and sharpen up our skills. You spend time to find his videos to dislike them? Damn you scotty kilmer. ha.
Keep up the work Eric.
Placer 1 month ago
As a kid growing up on a farm with old parents plus only American made trucks, shimming was the first thing my dad bitched about. Add, old skool mechanic to that and it explains why, some youngins may not know. Shim pieces come with some starters. Besides that, starters can be purchased bad off the shelf.
ballershanelle 1 month ago
i want more vids.................please!
mrg00ddude 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
Creative.
bw110719 1 month ago
I am watching this vide in Pakistan
1035honda 1 month ago
Hey Eric I know u can convert foot lbs to inch lbs on a tork wrench and I have done it is it a good idea to do this please help I want to adjust the bands on my durango but it says to use an inch lbs tork wrench but all I got is a foot lbs tork wrench????????????????????????????????????????¿????????????
929rrdan 1 month ago
@929rrdan A inch/lbs wrench is 12-times as precise as a foot-lbs wrench. You can just divide or multiply by 12 in order to convert the numbers either way. 1ft-lb = 12 inch-lbs. There are conversions online if you have any trouble with the math -- but the reason for the "inch-lb wrench" is obviously because adjusting the bands on your Durango need careful precision for best adjustment, and a ft-lbs wrench may make it harder to get right.
jgizzy 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
@HoonProductions So I should have my alternator tested to see if it is charging the battery?
13FravelJ 1 month ago
Do you ever do any performance installs in your shop. Such as power adders or performance exhaust installs
zipper978 1 month ago
Hey Eric, What does it mean if you go to start your car and you turn the key and all you here is a ticking noise, and the battery was just replaced?
13FravelJ 1 month ago
@13FravelJ
that would be the starter solenoid. aka the smaller round part with the two screws poking out. either its burnt out or its not getting 12+ volts
breaktobroken 1 month ago
@13FravelJ check your terminals, make sure they are well placed and tight
SomethinqWeird 1 month ago
great vid. i used to have a 97 gmc truck. it would grind after i let off the key, but it only did it when it was below -15c. i looked up the service manual that if it was grinding while starting, remove a shim, if it grinds after the key is let off add a shim. my truck didn't have any shims to being with, and i wasn't about to add a shim to correct a grind at -15c and risk it grinding when it was warm out. i miss that truck, touch the key at -45c and it fired up no problem. new one won't.
kenman1717 1 month ago
why dont you use prussian blue?
halosux4life 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
@halosux4life Dykem would be ideal... Nice vid Eric, always wondered if did it right till now.
TheZenerDiode 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
You kno I always wondered why tan allen wrench came with GM starters until today! great video eric!
jboydmv90 1 month ago
ah eric .. f-bomb. my 2003 odyssey (supposed to be my car)'s transmission crapped out today. F-BOMB.
MrImacarfan 1 month ago
please show where the shims go ?
mailman1951 1 month ago 2
ive never heard of shimming a starter over here in the UK , they are just bolted in with no available adjustment to their position , oh well thats me learnt something , ive heard painting the teeth to set up diffs and the paint is called engineers blue . top vid eric :-)
bashbits 1 month ago
@bashbits Most European starters bolt end wise onto the back of the engine and require no shimming. Tolerances always allow for proper gear tooth engagement anywhere along the length of the gear. VWs were like this from the beginning. Many US engines have starters that bolt length wise onto the bottom of the engine. Tolerances are usually good but any changes will result in improper teeth gear engagement. Notice how this starter is bolted to the engine compared to European engines.
killman1971 1 month ago
for the starter, did you use technology or was it a non technology?
ironlionkalo 1 month ago
brilliant, thank you!
machinegunmana 1 month ago
I've installed a half dozen or so starters on Fords and never had to shim them. I've never even heard of this. Is this a brand specific thing?
cornraker 1 month ago
@cornraker - I have done a few, it depends on what company did the replacement part,. some company's don't get it right on so they give you a shim to get it right.
AE86HachiRokuGTS 1 month ago
5,7 liter engine? you have no mercy... my car has a 1,4 liter engine...
supremeon1 1 month ago
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Chikidd75 1 month ago
good info like always. staydirty
apple8hoes5 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
haha good use of the paint man hope you replaced them ! ;)
ringbolt9 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
thanks man!
robertlucky 1 month ago
Hi, i have a 01 oldsmobile intrigue with 124000km on it recently its been giving me problems starting up and nearly stalling driving and last night gave me a p0385, ive parked it but is it alright to drive it to the mechanic about 12km away
thevoidmaker 1 month ago
@thevoidmaker ok after some research i am 100% positive that its your crank sensor. seems like that car has that common problem. if you google your car and model with that code youll get nothing but crank sensor problems
chrisnjenny100407 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
@chrisnjenny100407 and it makes sinse since your timing is way off due to the crank sensor being bad
chrisnjenny100407 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
@chrisnjenny100407 you just replied that comment to yourself... :)
Avranius 1 month ago
@Avranius WOW TY DIDNT CATCH THAT FUNNY TIMES FUNNY TIMES
chrisnjenny100407 1 month ago
@chrisnjenny100407 so do you think i can drive it over to the mechanics, tow trucks are in short supply due to a insane snowfal amdl record low temperatures
thevoidmaker 1 month ago
@thevoidmaker how often does it stall? it could be a lil dangerous since timing is off it could cause piston knock causing piston or cylinder damage.
chrisnjenny100407 1 month ago
@thevoidmaker inbox me plz for some reason i cant go to your channel. i found a webpage that might interest you
chrisnjenny100407 1 month ago
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@thevoidmaker and it makes sinse since your timing is way off due to the crank sensor being bad
chrisnjenny100407 1 month ago
damn Eric you have a daughter...i always thought of you having THE bachelor life.i gotta say i am a little bit dissapointed bro. lol
luisloks 1 month ago
ive used paint for measuring the contact between deferential teeth... but for a starter is just genius!
wilnerlivesformaiden 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
Your video's keep getting better!
dreamer2355 1 month ago
amazing vid
RealJayJohno 1 month ago
Seems like anything other than nice viscose, inert gear paint would splash and run too much to give you any idea of what needs to be done with shimming. That poster paint seemed to say everything was meshing solidly when it sounded like shallow contact.
mickblock 1 month ago
Hey, i just bought a 87 Toyota Supra and when i go to stop it wants to die. only when braking it does, this it starts every time afterwards and idles fine. If you could give me some troubleshooting tips i would really like that. Thanks , Jeff
xmaxjetplane1 1 month ago
@xmaxjetplane1 Hi. If this happens every time you apply the brake pedal, it might be a vacuum leak in you brake booster.
AllRightieThen 1 month ago
@AllRightieThen agreed
chrisnjenny100407 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
@AllRightieThen Its only when the engine has warmed up and it does it when just letting off the gaswhile im driving.
xmaxjetplane1 1 month ago
@xmaxjetplane1 It still sounds like a vacuum leak, and since the idle is supposed to drop when the engine is warm it is more prone to stalling in case of a vacuum leak. I am sure there are good guides on youtube for checking starter leaks using propane or some other gas, propane usually being one of the safer options. It can be a pain in the neck though, if the leak is small.
AllRightieThen 1 month ago
@AllRightieThen Sorry i meant vacuum leaks, not starter leaks :p
AllRightieThen 1 month ago
I usually start with re-installing the shims that were there and hope for the best. Thankfully I have not had to re-do one. I hadn't thought of painting the teeth though. Gear paint sounds like a great idea.
JohnSRosamond 1 month ago
Great video as always Eric!
SubaruG27 1 month ago
had some issues with Chevy starters when I owned 1,mainly a 350 in a Jeep and the newer high torque ones.
jeepers2655 1 month ago in playlist Electrical
Hey Eric, is there a core charge on the starter?
deathoviacomm 1 month ago
i have had three starters to installed on my motor in my 85 Trans Am with 5.0 liter engine. first starter worked four cranks, the starter itself cracked and free spun. second starter the starter wouldn't engage. third starter is what i am currently using now had it for over a year. no problems yet. :)
CharlesDeCapua 1 month ago
Do all the starters need to be properply shimmed? Since I kinda have a weird problem with mine but not at startup, but with the engine already running.
Airbeam 1 month ago
first? i couldnt resist :D
liedABOUTmyAGE 1 month ago