QURAN (52: 35-36)" WHERE THEY CREATED OF NOTHING, OR WHERE THEY THEMSELVES THE CREATORS? OR DID THEY CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH? NAY, BUT THEY ARE SURE OF NOTHING!" still you know nothing hahahahahah
QURAN (21.104) 'THE DAY THAT WE ROLL UP THE HEAVENS LIKE A SCROOL ROLLED US FOR BOOKS (COMPLETED),- EVEN AS WE PRODUCED THE FIRST CREATION, SO SHALL WE PRODUCE A NEW ONE; A PROMISE WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN; TRULY SHALL WE FULFILL IT."
"Do they not see how Allah begins the Creation, then repeats it? That is easy for CREATOR (to do) (QURAN 29: 19)
Say: "Travel through the Earth and see how He began the Creation. Then, Allah makes the later Creation. Allah is capable of (doing) everything" (Al-'Ankaboot, 29: 20).
"We have built the heaven with power,& We are expanding (it) ( Qur’an, 51: 47
QURAN 96:1-5"READ IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD who created, created man from a clot. Read, for your Lord is most Generous"
Furthermore, there have been hundreads of religions with thousands of gods , and all of them have been proven to be not true, but this one is? You're just not very sharp guys.
And you want to talk about making something from nothing? Let me ask you, have you ever seen god? Have you ever touched god? the things that happened in the bible, were you there? no. So youre trying to say that you know something is real that no one has seen? REALLY LOGICAL. You guys are so brainwashed and stupid its hilarious, i hope you know you're a joke people that think for themselves.
You guys speak to some of the most uneducated people ive ever seen, so that you can try to make your ideas look like they actually make sense. Atheism is "A" meaning not and "theism" meaning the belief of the existence of a god. Therefor, the stance of an atheist is most commonly " We are not intelligent enough to know how the universe began, we dont give ourselves that much credit".
Take this pink shirt idiot, put him in front of Richard dawkins with his stupid questions and look at him melt. Asking random people on the street is pretty dumb. You can find people that have no idea how many side a triangle have by doing that, what argument is this video supposed to promote?...
the problem is people think that the universe could not created with out a higher being maybe everything has just been there witch means there is no beging but there would be no end. time is a human created measurement to measure our lives and in all reallity there is no time in space. to prove time is real in space would mean time travel is real and after i write this i would be confronted with a time traveler to prove this theory. there is no beging and no end there is just exsitance
@HKOverlord117 Who created the laws that made this nothing Big Bang Possible. Who's to say that hot is hot and cold is cold. Laws are man made, so what is creating the laws of physics.
@MASTERZERO92 Who knows what happened "before" the Big Bang? You certainly don't have that authority; neither do I. Postulating a god is not a scientific, or logical, answer. Also, the "laws of physics" are written by mankind to describe, in approximate terms, natural phenomena; they don't exist outside of our minds.
@HKOverlord117 the man "Micho Kaku" explains "there was nothing before the big bang because there wasnt time for anything to exist before the big bang"
for me it makes perfect sense ^^ (ime serious BTW)
There's a reason Einstein and Newton believed there was a God. Funny thing is they were here today, atheist would still believe they were smarter than them. They are brainwashed by what corporations want to print in them openly without questioning. Accept theories based on theories based on theories instead of what HISTORY shows to be true. The Bible's fulfilled MANY prophecies, IGNORE WHAT PEOPLE SAY and find out for YOURSELF. Only book to be 100% accurate with prophecies so maybe some TRUTH.
boy you really are stretching. Boy oh boy... why not take on Richard directly Ray?? Your arguments are aimed at people who are not at all qualified answer questions that you are not qualified to ask. I couldn't even begin to explain how to do a heart transplant, but that doesn't negat ethere are those who have lived longer liveds becaus eteh science works everytime.
dont tell me what i believe creationists believe nothing created everything you believe an invisible force (nothing) created everything. Those who believe in the big bang theory have ideas in how the universe why does someone have to have created the particles and matter that started the big bang do you even know how lucky we are that theres any life at all its a fluke hence no other liveable planets in the solar system.
Kirk, Kirk Kirk..... Your a child star most famous for your appearance on Growing Pains. That hardly qualifies you for anything scientific. The word of people that actually study and test scientific theory their entire life are far more reliable than the word of a washed up child star and a man that had his whole banana theory crushed with a single picture and some text. It seems to me that you guys cannot find proof of your god so instead you try to misinform people on the greatest theory ever.
Ray, Ray Ray..... why don't you ever come near my town. I would love to answer these questions. First of all atheism has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Its simply not having belief in a god. I know atheists that do not believe in evolution, big bang and abiogenesis. On the other hand I know christians that believe in all three. Your simply a misinformed person spreading misinformation about a subject that you are not qualified to teach let alone criticize. Ken Miller can help you.
Although I don't think for a second that Ray would take notice of your answers, let alone gain anything from them. Like Kent Hovind, he has his spiel, and he'll gain nothing by listening to explanations of how things really are.
Don't Christians believe that Nothing created Everything? Didn't God just come out of nothing, and create everything out of nothing? I mean seriously, you all need to think about what you actually believe before you criticize science. There actually IS evidence that the Big Bang did come out of nothing. Look up Quantum Physics and quantum fluctuations.
so... i'm gonna take a wild guess from logical deduction that it was always there. and that it's a result of skewed human understanding to think in terms of "someone having to create something"
@NeverlandAud Well said,Religitards always say that EVERYTHING has to have a beginning.If that's the case,than so does god,but when someone asks that question,they abandon their logic like the hypocrites they are and say that he always existed."God" can't be created out of nothing if the universe cant.
Yes, "Nothing created Everything" is unscientific. Ah, but "Someone created Everything"? That obviously conforms with the scientific method completely.
so let me get this straight... because nothing can come from nothing, then the ONLY explanation is to have a deity that came from nothing that created everything..... how does that make more sense
That's the most illogical thing to say: "the ONLY explanation is to have a deity (a Un-Caused First Causer) that came (no one makes this claim that a 'first cause' can 'come' from anything else, it is a nonsensical statement already) from nothing that created everything. it doesn't make any sense, because you just MADE IT UP NOW.
God is, by definition, a Non or Un-Caused 'First Cause', thus NOTHING can logically cause it.
Realize: only created things are caused, NEVER the First Cause.
@xzotyqa does the phrase occam's razor mean anything to you? put in simple terms, you are adding an unnecessary explanation, because if you say that the only exception to the cause and effect rule is the first cause, why don't you save yourself the trouble and say matter is timeless?
it is still an unproved assertion, to say that one is more logical than the other, is illogical
@Netruic: Occam's razor certainly means nothing to you. The assertion that matter is timeless when it never exhibits this characteristic anywhere in the known Universe. Matter has a distinct characteristic that is unidirectional, with a progressive accumulation of decay, where the opposite effect is a net loss, so, the logical of 'heat-death' of the universe is the only thing happening, given matter's constituency, it could better be called 'force-death', where matter existence ultimately ends.
@xzotyqa you do know that "force-death" theory you said is not yet proven and yet to be passed through the peer review process. In all of human history, we have yet to find any instance where where the law of conservation of matter "Matter can not be created or destroyed" has been proven wrong. If it was people would have won nobel prizes for it. Give me a peer reviewed example of matter being created or destroyed, or just dont bother replying
I would like to meet these Atheists that you speek of.. the ones that believe Nothing created everything.. I am an Atheist and know plenty of others. Not one of us beleive that..But not knowing how everything came about doesnt make religious fairytales THE TRUTH. Nothing is wrong with not knowing exactly how we came about, what is wrong is claiming to know and shoving a bible in someones face as evidence
the universe its self is endless, that is you!all matter is merely energy condensed to slow vibration.we are 1 consciousness experiencing subjectively.no such thing as death,life is only a dream. far better to see the universe as it truly is,than to persist delusion however satisfying and reassuring it is.(c sagan)no were to go. you are telling me from absolutely nothing came a thing called GOD, he made the whole universe and everything in it,what would he made everything from himself me ahhhh
That's what you are really asking, because by definition God would be THE first cause of all things, otherwise He wouldn't be God. Most already realize this if they simply think clearly.
If anything were to precede the FIRST CAUSER (illogical already by posing it; and thus nonsensical), the one preceding would be God instead.
@xzotyqa You giving the definition of god being the first cause doesn't make it true, it's your own created definition. There are other processes which could be a first cause, for exemple quantum fluctuations don't need a cause, they happen randomly out of nothing. Science is advancing on this subject and "God did it" isn't anymore the only solution. And even if it was, it would still be a very unreasonable assumption.
Incorrect: Quantum fluctuation superficially exist apparently without a cause but EXIST solely in the CURRENT UNIVERSE which we know has a distinct trend of decay (governed by current patterns as described by Laws of Physics (of the current 'era')). Just because QF's do not yet exhibit an underlying, yet hidden PATTERN, does NOT mean there is ZERO connection to how or why the universe IS decaying. I am certain they are connected, but we are talking about trivial low information events.
This is what SCIENCE is about... exploring to FIND the underlying PATTERNS of our ORDERED UNIVERSE, and not simply giving up and thinking, there is NO CAUSE, and settling for just that.
Our Universe has a very specific characteristic to it, either mathematical models fit it poorly or perfectly for the purpose of being able to desribe its inner workings, AND as tools for PREDICTIVE future behavior.
@xzotyqa It is understood that nothing really isn't nothing because out of nothing automatically comes something. The hard part is understanding how it works, how exactly does nothing become something. What rules governs this transformation? One thing we do know, the universe is nothing in its all. That's the one thing Krauss conceided. As he said, it was satisfying to know that the data proves this, because the alternative would make no sense.
@2CSST2 You may say things like "Im slowly catching on", "Im wrong" but just saying doesn't making it true. Im just slowly describing the whole 1 hour video to you since you don't understand what I say. The whole idea of the 0 = 1+(-1) illustration was to illustrate that positive energy and matter altogether can would be the one (matter reduces to a certain amount of energy), add that to the positive forms of energy, you get a certain amount of positive energy in the whole universe.
@xzotyqa You're the one who misses out on a definition here. You don't seem to know the difference between a theory as understood by general public and a scientific theory. A scientific theory is factual, it is a factual way of explaining something. You're all on the hypothetical mathematics simply because I used mathematics to illustrate how the universe can be nothing, I did not USED them to conclude that. And just the video, you're arguing with me about something you dont even know
@xzotyqa The universe is nothing in its whole. It has been proven scientifically, and simply saying "oh science is not always correct blablabla" doesn't make it false. If you think the proof was wrong, simply learn the damn proof and explain why its wrong and stop denying things out of ignorance.
a play on the word 'nothing' is disingenuous, worse when it should be obvious to you that Klauss concedes 'nothing is not really nothing'... and in the end, STILL talks about SOMETHING, ineptly named virtual particles... how misleading is that? so... even 'empty space' is NOT what you think it is, and it certainly not 'nothing', but at least mathematically, they like to see it as 'nothing' for philosophical reasons only.
all it means is that that 'nothing' still remains to be sorted out
@xzotyqa The amount of positive energy (forms of positive energy including matter) is equal to the amount of negative energy in all the universe, therefore the result is nothing. How possibly can't you understand a simple idea as this to think that Im saying energy is nothing... Listen one last time: The forms of positive energy AND the forms of negative energy TOGETHER are nothing... TOGETHER. TOGETHER. OK? Positive + negative is nothing. How can I be more clear on that?
net result... a balance of THINGS, not NOTHING, get it?
remember, for Krauss, it is still beyond him (his admission, not mine).
but for me, the simple answer is that the universe is YOUNG, that practically resolves the inequalities of the equations used for evolutionistic cosmology.
remove an OLD UNIVERSE, and ALL the equations work out.
ignore the reality of a YOUNG UNIVERSE, and you end up with Cosmology of today, constantly looking for fictitious solutions to misguided questions.
@xzotyqa What you don't seem to understand, it's that you talk as though you think the proof of the universe made out of nothing was made by adding the positive and negative forms of energy and that they all balanced to zero. On this case we could agree they might have forgot to add something. But that's at all how they proved. It comes from the fact that a universe made out of nothing would have a flat geometry. The geometry is measurable, it's a measure, not adding.
@xzotyqa Your only play is really to not understand is it? Im sure you do know in what sense Krauss meant nothing not really nothing. You're just refusing to conceiding my point. At least now you agree the universe is one form of nothing, whatever you think it is. Krauss said nothing is really nothing, but if you listen to why he said that, he said that because out of nothing automotically comes something. But originally, nothing was needed for that something, just like the universe
@xzotyqa I do. You don't. That's the whole point. The net result, the balance of things, IS nothing. 'A universe from nothing'... get it? The title wasn't named like that for no reason. It isn't beyond Krauss that the universe is nothing. The use of the word nothing isn't disingenuous because you don't understand what it means. What is beyond Krauss, is how the fabrics of this works. He knows the universe came from nothing, but couldn't replicate it himself.
@xzotyqa "A balance of THINGS, not NOTHING" The emphasis on the word things shows that you still don't understand. Im very sad I've explained it 20 times already. Of course if you take them apart, each of those "things" aren't nothing. It's when you put them together that they are nothing. The positive and the negative cancel out together, but of course they don't cancel out with themselves seperately.
It has nothing to do with it being understood, it has to do with applying a non-normative meaning to some-THING to come out balanced as nothing. That only means the theorists are playing fast and loose with something they don't know how best to measure AS something which they have NOT YET properly figured out yet. It is a convenient way to conceal ignorance of looking at the equation, and thinking that it all balances out to nothing, when it may very well be something yet to be 'sensed'
@xzotyqa You are as much in denial as creationists are with evolution. It's not a "thoerists" conclusions, it has been proven with observations. They've had to wait and work hard to get them, not acting "fast and loose" at all. You can keep denying if you want. What you say makes no sense at all. Like if they didn't understand their equations correctly and something to be "sensed" might pop out out of no where.
@xzotyqa There is now a ton of proofs and observations showing the universe to be in a flat structure, which undoubtably means a universe made out of nothing. If you deny this fact it's your problem, it's very foolish to assume all these scientists having peer reviewed again and again are all mistaken and it happens to be one of the biggest scientific mistake. Like if suddenly the pythagoream theorem was proven false
@xzotyqa On a certain point of view, I agree with the "yet to be 'sensed' " part. That's right, nothing yet sensed in all scientific data has ever proven the presence of some deity or anything else. The word "yet" tempts to think as though thoses proofs will be found. But we could just as well say the same for the presence of an invisible unicorn, yet to be sensed.
"Good evening. Let me ask you, could you believe that nothing created everything? Of course not. Nothing created god, who then created everything. See, perfectly logical. Now send us money."
The only time I ever heard "nothing created everything" was from deceptive creationists... And claiming "some-ONE" had to have made-" with baseless assumptions...
On a positive note, I've got to thank all those creationists for bolstering my conviction that my non-belief is far more accurate than any religious worldview.
@727Phoenix Of course not. No one who believes it would ever put it so simply as to make themselves seem foolish. But as posted earlier, the link at the end of this post, shows plenty of secularists that believe we got everything from absolutely nothing. /watch?v=fWq0lahNNyY
@thewayofthemaster we DID get everything from absolutely nothing. You havn't made any research and it shows If you want to do some, you will find many articles, and even a video on youtube by Lawrence Krauss, which explain that the universe all in all IS nothing but in a different form. There are negative forms of energy (gravity) which cancel out with the positive forms perfectly. For a simple illustration: 0 = (-1) + 1
Incorrect. All you did was appeal to a mathematical construct. Anybody can do that, but are impotent to enact it out, or even record it as a matter of history. It is pure hypothetical conjecture: play with a few equations at the cosmological level may generate entertainment, but none of it ever stands solid without innumerable flaws.
@xzotyqa The math equation was simply an illustration, not playing with cosmological laws, and I have sated it. And it IS completelely correct. It's a scientific fact, you simply can't argue it. Just go look it out, Lawrence Krauss hasn't been the only one to talk about it, but his video on youtube is the best one to vulgarize it simply. All in all, the universe IS nothing. I don't even know why I have to defend myself from you saying it's hypothetical, I had already stated feedback
Wrong again: it is NOT 'completely correct' nor a 'scientific fact', it is a set of equations to help describe some observations, which even your 'simple illustration' would differ by only complexity of the formulas.
Your words, are NOT nothing... think about invalidating and negating your OWN reasoning by appealing to 'the universe is NOTHING'. If all you really mean is that it is mostly 'empty', but for the 'forces' that exist, yes, this is an interesting way of viewing the universere
@xzotyqa Including mass. All the mass in the universe are equivalent to an amount of energy. All the gravity in the universe is equivalent to negative energy, there are also other forms of positive energy. All in all, ALL of them come to nothing when you sum them up. That has not been proven by summing them all up, but rather by mesuring the curvature of the fabric of the universe.
@xzotyqa And if you can't care to look out the video yourself, which you obviously havn't from your comment stating it's hypothetical, here's the link: /watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
interesting mathematics (hypothetical cosmology), has very little utility but to entertain, for those who have no interest in looking at what is 'real' versus what is a humorous fictitious mathematical variation (deviation, spoof) on it.
both folks mentioned on the video, are making appeals to old ideas (straw man argument approach), and not appealing to any real 'facts'.
you have to UNDERSTAND what 'theoretical' means: it has some practical, but limited value, up the point of failure.
@xzotyqa You just understand what Im saying. The universe ON THE WHOLE is nothing, not just the words of my comment, that's a horrible analogy, df course my words are not nothing. I don't see what's so hard to understand. I'll repeat it last: The universe is nothing in a whole. How we know, from interpreting scientific data. The math equation is an illustration. And the interpretation IS completely correct. Here's how it falls out. Everything in the universe, can be reduced to a form of energy
... you are catching on, but slowly... i already mentioned 'forces'... and only now you have to concede to 'reduced to a form of energy'... sadly 'energy is NOT nothing'...
worse, if Lawrence Krauss cannot 'satisfactorily' answer with any explanation, that is a clear indication, he does NOT have any real useful answer. a partial answer, MAYBE, a full answer... no, it is pure theory, none accurate as 'fact'. Tweak the variables and get the model that makes one fit a worldview one wants.
In essence, the bulk of cosmological mathematical models are interesting variations with slight different equations involved, and different values needed to postulate a HYPOTHETICAL PAST, hoping it 'better fits' the observed RAW DATA, but rarely do the models work well with ALL the observations, only some observations BETTER than, say, another competing mathematical model. And most are aware there are plenty of models not measuring up: frankly none of the 'old universe' ones do at all.
@xzotyqa All scientific theories have their limitations, but that doesn't make them false on everything. Newtonian physics laws fail horribly at the big or small scale, but them only were needed to get us to the moon, and planes not crashing rely completely on them. The universe coming from nothing is both very well represented mathematically AND observed and tested with telescope data. Obviously, you still haven't watched the video... You dismiss a theory without even knowing it at all
@xzotyqa I havn't stated QF wern't linked to the state of the universe, though talking about hypothetical scpeculation, that is purely one from your part to state they are. The point however is that there are alternative to god for a first cause, and the QF are just a proof of that, so it is totally wrong to assume god can be the only solution to the problem as to why the universe came to be. Also, the "from nothing" problem HAS already been solved.
@thewayofthemaster With all due respect, it sounds a lot like when atheists describe Jesus as some undead zombie alternative medicine doctor who flies. No Christian would EVER admit it b/c it would make them look foolish. Are you saying the reality is atheists (cosmologists) say nothing created everything and Jesus was some flying undead zombie doctor? With all due respect, I fail to see the difference. In both cases, each side is telling the other what they believe and grossly oversimplifying.
This guy is a moron...I mean Christianity says god wasn't created which goes against their philosophy that says everything had to be created by some intelligent being. If "god" can exist without being created by anything, why can't the universe? And I've never heard an atheist say that everything came from nothing. Before you do another senseless video like this, please know what your talking about. Also you shouldn't take off voting just because you don't like the results.
@langelslshadowl You're off on your facts. Christianity says everything that "has a beginning", needs a cause (God). Regarding the universe being eternal, even most secular scientists (including Stephen Hawking) agree that the Universe is not eternal and had a starting point (Big Bang). Where the "nothing created everything" comes about can be found here: /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fWq0lahNNyY
Why is it impossible that the singularity always existed? Also on an unrelated note, how do you explain the genetic code links between different animals.? Simple question. . . Answer my question in two parts. I want both addressed. . .
@o0oSolidSnakeo0o Since the original statement was 'everything that has a beginning needs a cause', and you're asserting that the singularity didn't need a cause, you need to provide the proof to that assertion, espcially in light of both camps (creation/evolution) saying that the Universe is not eternal and started with nothing. Re: genetic links, this page says it better than I can christiananswers(dot)net/q-aig/aig-c018.html.
@o0oSolidSnakeo0o OK. At this point we're arguing that either an all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent Being created us or something that has no greater intelligence than a rock did, for no apparent reason (oh that's right this is cosmology. Life came from non-life on a completely unrelated stroke of luck) ... The First Cause was Uncaused, Beginningless, Changeless, Immaterial, Timeless, Powerful and Personal. God fits that bill, a singularity does not.
We know from pure 100% experience everyday with zero exceptions that new things 'made' (not created) minimally from pre-existing complex sophisticated systems that NEVER exhibit 'self-materialization-from-nothing'. All existing systems of change with high specificity, show design with intelligence behind it. It is mimicked by humans at a human level, but at the cosmic level it is observed minus the Creator showing His face. (nothing wrong with that; we know that reason already)
Thus so far, from all events ever observed or observable, ANYTHING in the Universe with informational high specificity, ever coming into existence on its own.
The prevalence of high diversity of such high complex specificity 'everywhere' hints at an intelligence at a cosmic level. On a human level, it is like entering a sophisticated factory for manufacturing and assembling Boeing 777's, with all humans gone home for the day, and declaring, "Why can't the factory create itself?"
You know what's embarrassing? When people talk about things they have no knowledge of. I'd be pretty embarrassed if I were you. Do you believe that something can be created out of nothing? Because we certainly don't. You find some dumb people in the street and you think you have proven something? Get Real.
Tell me Kirk....Do you believe that "Nothing" created "Everything"?
Scientists don't. Atheists certainly don't!
Do you believe "Everything" was incanted into existence from nothing by something whose existence you can't explain? - If you're a bible literalist, I think you do, eh?
Science can make manufactured honey. This guy is really stupid, all he's doing is putting people on the spot. It all comes from bacteria, and the bacteria came from the big bang. The big bang is a recurring process, it's been in motion forever, Humans cannot determine when time began, we can only determine approximately when our timeline begin. L2Not push your belief onto everyone plz ray comfort.
@lstev39 Since "forever" cannot be scientifically proven, to say "it's been in motion forever" is simply your belief(which for some reason you feel you can push on others, but then you say Ray can't).
@lstev39 time as we know it only began when the planets and stars began to form, so we cant even determine when time began. All creationist theories are based on the assumption that there HAS to be a creator
big bang is a pure mathematical model, not an observation of any kind, but an explanation for SOME, not all observations made of the cosmos. the observations it cannot explain are why that mathematical model is a dud. (a failed model).
all Cosmologists do, are add secondary, tertiary assumptions:
more mathematical fudge factors, adjustments, tweaks, to try to better fit the observations, but still fall short in observations that actually put the entire mathematical model not 'equating'
Atheists and I am one do not believe everything came from nothing your are right it is impossible unless you claim magic. Now let see who have you confused that makes claims of everything from nothing - Oh Religion that's right and as you said that is impossible Kirk.
Yes ray is confusing but semantics is all he has got.
Then he will say no one made God he was just there out of nothing 'Contradict'
@Godusesamac No one tell my old English professor! Don't mess with me, guy, criticizing my grammatical choices is a dickish way of trying to gain the upper hand in an argument, and an irrelevant one at that. Would you rather I said "we don't know it's illogical?" In any case, the conversation is about the beliefs of Ray Comfort, and he believes the universe was created 6,000 years ago. The point still stands that there's no reason matter had to be created.
@Godusesamac No, we don't know it's not logical. It's certainly more logical than assuming there's some omniscient, omnipotent entity "outside the universe" somehow defied the laws of physics to create the universe 6,000 years ago and created it in such a way that all evidence points toward a completely different conclusion while it also requires us to grovel or it will torture us for all eternity after we die. Where did THIS thing come from anyway? Oh, it's eternal? Because that's logical.
@Godusesamac The truth is that absolutely nobody knows . All we have are theories. Most people who are religious and don't like evolution theory. Never step back and look at the God concept as just a theory . It doesn't even stand up to be a theory because it is untestable. Its barely a hypothesis.They dont see that a super wizzard that poofed a universe out of nothing, is not a good theory & is kinda childish. Darwin said all we have to chose from is a couple of vague ideas. He was spot on.
LOL BS! You are that maybe by chance then. Most people are religious or follow something by what there family are. Or what area they live in! If you was born in asia you would prob stay an atheist.If you was born in middle east you would prob be muslim etc! All bs!
@Godusesamac and the belief of a scientist is irrelevant, although most physicists, climatologists and astronomers are agnostics but I do not know about the rest.
But anyway someones belief doesnt change how valid a theory is the big bang was actually thought of by a catholic priest. So I can agree on that.
And with the size of the universe we should have a lot of other civilizations which are more advanced than us.
And on computers I cant wait till the day we have quantum computers.
@Godusesamac it was an example but science is just a method, and I was saying that it doesnt believe in fairy tales like you said. "Ill take my belief over your fairy tale any day." and the earth will be swallowed by the sun because of the nuclear fusion reaction taking place will go south when it runs out of hydrogen fuel causing the reaction to go out of balance, causing the sun to expand into a red giant.
And red giants have been observed along with supernova' physics is amazing.
@Godusesamac seriously godusesamac, science doesn't believe in fairy tales because it has a track record of success. The computer you are using at this very moment is a result of advances in technology from science, not your god. We live on average about 70-80 years because of modern medicine, hygene and clean drinking water not because of praying and lifespan continues to rise.
Heres one for you, what has no mass and trillions of these particles are hitting you right now? (at light speed)
@Godusesamac well not really, I personally do not believe in the god of the bible or any creation as I lack reason to believe in a creator with no evidence. As for fairy tales the bible is written very badly and even includes stories about unicorns, giants, demons, angels witches and wizards which I also do not believe in as they lack evidence and just sound silly to me.
And physicists now think that a reverse black hole caused the big bang.
What exactly do you hope to achieve by stopping people in the street to answer big questions? All it shows is that persons grasp of the subject not proof it's invalid. I get the same stuttering responses from christians who knock on my door. Where did god come from? Why did this perfect god create the evil that led to drowning the earth to start over? If they can't answer these questions immediately does that mean your religion is bogus?Is it alright for you not to have a quick coherent response
oh and also on the snake, or serpant, he took the snakes legs away didnt he lol? But erm, theres sea snakes, dont u see the stupidness here lol. And what kind of thing punishes a snake and then lets it become a sea snake if it wasnt already one lol. Oh all this stuff is so funny.
Anyway u dont answer again, why not just say the earth is round everyone ok. So u wont fall off the edge of the sea if u go discovering lol. people though tthe earth was flat till a few thousand years ago! Why didnt god help anyone with a mpa of the earth in the bible or anything lol? it is so bs all this i cant belive im still in talks with this bs lol. And didnt u know that fossils and genes prove the earth to be millions of years old. Oh and no evidence of a flood also lol.
cos god writes it maybe LOL. Its a term used these days. But strage how god didnt just say the sun never moves, but the earth does, strage why he didnt say anything like that hmm. But as we really know the bible was written by confused men who didnt know science like we now do. did you know people once prayed to the sun as a god, to thunder, as they didnt understand it. Now we know what the sun is and what thunder is! ans anyway all religious people are athesits! they all knock-
Exactly!m U now agree how stpud this is! Thankyou. Why say in the bible i will heal you if he cant1 Oh but he picks and chooses what he heals LOL! how fitting he only heals the ones that cant be scientifically proven hmm? And what video did i watch? I saw something on the net years ago about why doesnt god heal amputies! And its obvious why not, HE DONT EXIST LOL. And i also know 11 year old who ask great questions.. sometiomes they ask the best one, i work in a school as a TA!
-any idea how big the universe is? It would take hundreds and thousands and maybe in even millions of times longer to make than the earth! And why do all that just to create light for the earth LOL? Its ridiculous! Why waste all that time when u could have created visual light without the universe?? And anyway evolution is now fact, its no real talking point anymore. We have evidence and facts of it, and its also impossible for earth to be 6 thousand years old, it would take millions of years -
Also you didnt answer why it had nothing in the bible that helped anyone at the time of the writings? Why not one bit of help? why no scientific ideas or disease cures? why has humans themselves had to do all of this? Oh and to remind u, if it wasnt for science and non believers no cures or scientitic developments would have ever been discovered! And i told you that if it wasnt days then it was in reference to 3 times more then making the earth to making the universe? Do u have-
Oh dear oh dear lol. Erm, Well i say the millions of people in history who have been religious who have asked for a new arm or leg are my evidence!! And all the thousands of and maybe millions of burn victims since time began is also my evidence! God can do anything it says i bible, and he can heal anyone or anything! So why doesnt he heal amputies or burn victims?? Its never been proven ever that he has done! I also call that evidence! It would be world news if he ever did!!
Rubbish!! It dont matter if im new or not. To just answer my message like that is complete BS! You could answer like this to every questio i had and it would get you out of actually answering the question like a normal adult. But yea i forgot im talking to a religious nut who is brain dead, brain washed, and gulible and who believes in ancient scriptures by ancient men claiming of talking snakes and bushes and u believe it LOL, So anything possible here lol.
-does say fight and force your enemys off the edges of the earth. The Bible claims that Earth has four ends and four corners. The wicked might get shaken off of it and fall off in space?!
The Earth has pillars? The flat Earth is established and can never move?! The Sun hurries back to where it rises? Why would it say all this??
Yes the bible does endorse slavery!! It even says you can beat your slave! Wow! Aslong as u dont kill him and he can walk in a few days u can beat your slave! Check Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT and (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) + (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) The bible is full of slavery! And you cant deny its full of killing innocent women and children! babies in Egypt being slaughtered because of those b4 them! And god ordered it all!
And i dont know the scripture numbers on the the earth but it-
@Godusesamac wWe admit that we do not know everything, notice that scientists say that "we think this happened because of..." It is the theists that claim that their religion is the truth. Science is changing rapidly and is growing, we will know sooner or later but its better to increase knowledge and embrace it than to believe in fairy tales.
-Bible? If any book could create an athiest or believer into a non believer its that evil, lying, contradictory book lol. Full of genocide, murders, rapes, killing women and children, endorsing slavery, its discusting. Any decent person who can use there brain would never worship such evil and such jealosy as he rewards faith in him more than good deads or being a good person. nd did u even know in the bible there are 4 references to the world being flat and not round! read it!
-creating the earth?? and there is nothing in the bible about washing of hands1 why do u think billions of people died not knowin that simple fact! and why no other health advice in the bible? why was there not one thign in the bible to help the people at that time? dont u realise if it wasnt for science and non religious people we would still be in the stone age! We woulnd tbe on facebook or have cures for thousands of diseases etc! And even if god was real have u even read the-
That is awesone LOL!! so god can do anything in the world and hes all powerful and loving and good. But he cant heal an amputie or a burn victim LOOL. So he an make the universe in 1 day and heal all cancers, tumors, do any miracle but when it comes to somethign like heal a burn victijm oops i cant lol. And weird how it took him 3 days to create the earth and 1 day to do universe lol. On that time scale it would have taken him hundreds of years not 1 day! not 3 times longer than-
I did answer you but seems to have disapeared? I said look up on utube for origins of the universe. Its all explained with evidence and proof! Something thiests dont ever have! Lets get the god idea out of brain dead peoples head with the simple,y dont god heal burn victims or amputies?? Why wasnt there one thing in the bible that was a revalattion for its time? Why no health advice or scientific help? why nothin like wash hands that would save billions of lives, cos god aint real
Go look up on utube start of the universe! It will explain things much better than i can. I will send u a pm of a site and a ,link on utube which can educate you. I take it your stance is a mystery created a mystery lol, which is more crazy or fare fetched than evolution!
I watched an interesting talk on the universe by a famous physicist (I am not a scientist, I don't remember sorry) and he was explaining how nothing made nothing, seeing as there is zero total energy in the universe (don't ask me the specifics, I am retarded)
If the Dawkins quote wasn't a case of quote mining (ie. he didn't go on to describe how it happened afterwards) , then I will happily eat my hat with a knife and fork and enjoy it.
Ray Comfort's a master all right. A master of the twisted word. He corners people with semantics and false premises that the common person isn't intelligent enough to recognize off the top of their heads. Let's not consider that all time and matter could very well have always existed without some intelligent supernatural being. Let's not consider that asking how to get honey "from nothing" makes no sense in the context of evolution because honey is never posited to come from nothing.
The thing religion tells us is that one super magical Wizzard created everything ! Niether evolution or ceationism are very good. It's what we use to fill the gaps. By the way, matter comes from energy. That's something Albert Einstien figured out. Mass is the by product of Energy. It would take 9 atomic bombs to make a rock the size of your fist. Imagine what energy it takes to create the whole universe. The answers are coming from science, not a book written 3000 years ago by stone age people
Search for Lawerence Krauss - A Universe From Nothing, religious numbnuts. You are going to destroy the world one day if religion doesnt disappear and dies off. Stop using the benefits of science.
Hahaha! This is so absurd its almost funny. Too bad that he didn't end up interviewing Lawerence Krauss on the street. I'd love to see the incredible "logic" of the interviewer then. I dont understand whats so scary and obsolete with atheism, it's just reality. How people can so obviously deny reality is beyond me. These fools are on youtube so why the hell can't they watch some SCIENCE CLIPS so you can learn from the real master minds.
@TeabagTore There's nothing science about evolution. Have you every seen the Big Bang or evolution tested using the scientific method? Makes it impossible considering those events cannot be observed. Therefore they are not science but closer to religion in definition.
I'd love Ray Comfort to ask ME those idiotic quesitons, so I can answer them all correctly, but then he would not use my clip in his promo. He only will use the people that can't answer the question to his silly and misleading questions
Can you believe that an invisible magic man in the sky created the universe from nothing? Can you believe that nothing created god? Can you believe the amount of intelligence Kirk Cameron has is nothing?
Matter can't be created or destroyed, energy can't be created or destroyed. Matter and energy we observe now is the same as 100m, 200m years ago.
Life has one intrinsic property it can adopt to the environment e.g. in gravitation = 0 human body lose muscles and bones in other words evolves all the time.
I don't know how about you gays but I can buy in my country man made honey.
@randomsrvapps Everything that has a beginning has a cause. Einstein's general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time. Therefore He doesn't have a cause.
are you retarded?
bjameson2023 2 weeks ago
Willingly blind!!!
shpikieboy1 2 weeks ago
This IDiot does not know the difference between a scientist and an atheist. Geology proves the bible wrong, [no flood] not athiests.
Ray can't prove evolution wrong so he moves the goal post to the Big Bang,
which like evolution of species explains how things changed, not how it started.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@gregrutz read the book buddy.
annasajerk 2 weeks ago
@annasajerk Read the quran, why?
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
lol "with special condemnation from Richard Dawkins" that's so funny
MissLeanaFaith 1 month ago
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ABOUT OUR BEGINNING ???
QURAN (52: 35-36)" WHERE THEY CREATED OF NOTHING, OR WHERE THEY THEMSELVES THE CREATORS? OR DID THEY CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH? NAY, BUT THEY ARE SURE OF NOTHING!" still you know nothing hahahahahah
QURAN (21.104) 'THE DAY THAT WE ROLL UP THE HEAVENS LIKE A SCROOL ROLLED US FOR BOOKS (COMPLETED),- EVEN AS WE PRODUCED THE FIRST CREATION, SO SHALL WE PRODUCE A NEW ONE; A PROMISE WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN; TRULY SHALL WE FULFILL IT."
marshalenam5 2 months ago
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"Do they not see how Allah begins the Creation, then repeats it? That is easy for CREATOR (to do) (QURAN 29: 19)
Say: "Travel through the Earth and see how He began the Creation. Then, Allah makes the later Creation. Allah is capable of (doing) everything" (Al-'Ankaboot, 29: 20).
"We have built the heaven with power,& We are expanding (it) ( Qur’an, 51: 47
QURAN 96:1-5"READ IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD who created, created man from a clot. Read, for your Lord is most Generous"
HAHA HE IS FUNNY
marshalenam5 2 months ago
So, in fact, nothing created everything? Bad onthology. =)
Sergiofilhopb 3 months ago
Furthermore, there have been hundreads of religions with thousands of gods , and all of them have been proven to be not true, but this one is? You're just not very sharp guys.
cfrewyeah 3 months ago
And you want to talk about making something from nothing? Let me ask you, have you ever seen god? Have you ever touched god? the things that happened in the bible, were you there? no. So youre trying to say that you know something is real that no one has seen? REALLY LOGICAL. You guys are so brainwashed and stupid its hilarious, i hope you know you're a joke people that think for themselves.
cfrewyeah 3 months ago
You guys speak to some of the most uneducated people ive ever seen, so that you can try to make your ideas look like they actually make sense. Atheism is "A" meaning not and "theism" meaning the belief of the existence of a god. Therefor, the stance of an atheist is most commonly " We are not intelligent enough to know how the universe began, we dont give ourselves that much credit".
cfrewyeah 3 months ago
Magic. The best explanation.
Yetaxa 3 months ago
Take this pink shirt idiot, put him in front of Richard dawkins with his stupid questions and look at him melt. Asking random people on the street is pretty dumb. You can find people that have no idea how many side a triangle have by doing that, what argument is this video supposed to promote?...
GmrWeb 4 months ago
But, it makes PERFECT sense that someone (God) came out of nothing to create everything.
danschaefer97 4 months ago
@danschaefer97 Exactly; I get embarrassed for humanity when I watch people like Ray Comfort speak
madguitarist911 3 months ago
the problem is people think that the universe could not created with out a higher being maybe everything has just been there witch means there is no beging but there would be no end. time is a human created measurement to measure our lives and in all reallity there is no time in space. to prove time is real in space would mean time travel is real and after i write this i would be confronted with a time traveler to prove this theory. there is no beging and no end there is just exsitance
southpawl1 5 months ago
@southpawl1 nope no one came
southpawl1 5 months ago
So Ray - who created God?
HKOverlord117 5 months ago 2
@HKOverlord117 Who created the laws that made this nothing Big Bang Possible. Who's to say that hot is hot and cold is cold. Laws are man made, so what is creating the laws of physics.
MASTERZERO92 2 months ago
@MASTERZERO92 Who knows what happened "before" the Big Bang? You certainly don't have that authority; neither do I. Postulating a god is not a scientific, or logical, answer. Also, the "laws of physics" are written by mankind to describe, in approximate terms, natural phenomena; they don't exist outside of our minds.
HKOverlord117 2 months ago
@HKOverlord117 the man "Micho Kaku" explains "there was nothing before the big bang because there wasnt time for anything to exist before the big bang"
for me it makes perfect sense ^^ (ime serious BTW)
pickman 1 month ago
@pickman Michio Kaku...yes, a great physicist. I highly recommend his book, "Parallel Worlds". Fascinating reading.
HKOverlord117 1 month ago
There's a reason Einstein and Newton believed there was a God. Funny thing is they were here today, atheist would still believe they were smarter than them. They are brainwashed by what corporations want to print in them openly without questioning. Accept theories based on theories based on theories instead of what HISTORY shows to be true. The Bible's fulfilled MANY prophecies, IGNORE WHAT PEOPLE SAY and find out for YOURSELF. Only book to be 100% accurate with prophecies so maybe some TRUTH.
Killswitch305 5 months ago
The people you met on the street were seriously idiots.
hXcDiedWithHitler 6 months ago
Try synthesizing the enzyme that the bee would have used to transform the pollen into a sugar... Duh!
msqared80 6 months ago
LOL This is retarded! Funny but all kinds of brain damaged.
msqared80 6 months ago
boy you really are stretching. Boy oh boy... why not take on Richard directly Ray?? Your arguments are aimed at people who are not at all qualified answer questions that you are not qualified to ask. I couldn't even begin to explain how to do a heart transplant, but that doesn't negat ethere are those who have lived longer liveds becaus eteh science works everytime.
eahazell 6 months ago
If everything needs to be created by something, then what ceated god?
It is illogical to belive that "God created himself." or that "God has been around forever."
God could not have created himself, because there would be nothing he could create himself from.
Also, God could not have been around forever as everything that exists must first be created.
EldonFowler 6 months ago
Oh my gosh! a creationist propaganda page that does NOT have comments and ratings turned off!
markofthebeasts 6 months ago
@markofthebeasts ooops, i spoke too soon, comments are disabled.
markofthebeasts 6 months ago
Ray - You got to have material for a bang?!?!?
Girl - I don't know. It just came.
tvalerianopereira 6 months ago
dont tell me what i believe creationists believe nothing created everything you believe an invisible force (nothing) created everything. Those who believe in the big bang theory have ideas in how the universe why does someone have to have created the particles and matter that started the big bang do you even know how lucky we are that theres any life at all its a fluke hence no other liveable planets in the solar system.
xXpenguin93Xx 6 months ago
Kirk, Kirk Kirk..... Your a child star most famous for your appearance on Growing Pains. That hardly qualifies you for anything scientific. The word of people that actually study and test scientific theory their entire life are far more reliable than the word of a washed up child star and a man that had his whole banana theory crushed with a single picture and some text. It seems to me that you guys cannot find proof of your god so instead you try to misinform people on the greatest theory ever.
brewerbrian420 6 months ago
Ray, Ray Ray..... why don't you ever come near my town. I would love to answer these questions. First of all atheism has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Its simply not having belief in a god. I know atheists that do not believe in evolution, big bang and abiogenesis. On the other hand I know christians that believe in all three. Your simply a misinformed person spreading misinformation about a subject that you are not qualified to teach let alone criticize. Ken Miller can help you.
brewerbrian420 6 months ago
« I would love to answer these questions »
Although I don't think for a second that Ray would take notice of your answers, let alone gain anything from them. Like Kent Hovind, he has his spiel, and he'll gain nothing by listening to explanations of how things really are.
XGralgrathor 6 months ago
@XGralgrathor And sadly I think you are right.
brewerbrian420 6 months ago
Quote mining
look it up.
TheMrgoku1985 6 months ago
@Godusesamac
It's simple:
Why doesn't god need a beginning. Why does the Universe?
o0oSolidSnakeo0o 7 months ago
@Godusesamac And what's your view of logic?
knucks360 7 months ago
Ray Comfort is a complete bell end.
bgordon9 8 months ago
Strawman.
AtheismIsTheWay 8 months ago
Don't Christians believe that Nothing created Everything? Didn't God just come out of nothing, and create everything out of nothing? I mean seriously, you all need to think about what you actually believe before you criticize science. There actually IS evidence that the Big Bang did come out of nothing. Look up Quantum Physics and quantum fluctuations.
1993TRS1 8 months ago
matter cannot be created or destroyed.
so... i'm gonna take a wild guess from logical deduction that it was always there. and that it's a result of skewed human understanding to think in terms of "someone having to create something"
poopstainsmcgee 8 months ago
your so stupid i swear. your trying to prove a point cause you think 'god created everything' then tell me this, who created god? idiot.
NeverlandAud 8 months ago
@NeverlandAud Well said,Religitards always say that EVERYTHING has to have a beginning.If that's the case,than so does god,but when someone asks that question,they abandon their logic like the hypocrites they are and say that he always existed."God" can't be created out of nothing if the universe cant.
knucks360 8 months ago
Yes, "Nothing created Everything" is unscientific. Ah, but "Someone created Everything"? That obviously conforms with the scientific method completely.
stig781 8 months ago
so let me get this straight... because nothing can come from nothing, then the ONLY explanation is to have a deity that came from nothing that created everything..... how does that make more sense
Netruic 9 months ago
@Netruic
That's the most illogical thing to say: "the ONLY explanation is to have a deity (a Un-Caused First Causer) that came (no one makes this claim that a 'first cause' can 'come' from anything else, it is a nonsensical statement already) from nothing that created everything. it doesn't make any sense, because you just MADE IT UP NOW.
God is, by definition, a Non or Un-Caused 'First Cause', thus NOTHING can logically cause it.
Realize: only created things are caused, NEVER the First Cause.
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa does the phrase occam's razor mean anything to you? put in simple terms, you are adding an unnecessary explanation, because if you say that the only exception to the cause and effect rule is the first cause, why don't you save yourself the trouble and say matter is timeless?
it is still an unproved assertion, to say that one is more logical than the other, is illogical
Netruic 9 months ago
@Netruic: Occam's razor certainly means nothing to you. The assertion that matter is timeless when it never exhibits this characteristic anywhere in the known Universe. Matter has a distinct characteristic that is unidirectional, with a progressive accumulation of decay, where the opposite effect is a net loss, so, the logical of 'heat-death' of the universe is the only thing happening, given matter's constituency, it could better be called 'force-death', where matter existence ultimately ends.
xzotyqa 8 months ago
@xzotyqa you do know that "force-death" theory you said is not yet proven and yet to be passed through the peer review process. In all of human history, we have yet to find any instance where where the law of conservation of matter "Matter can not be created or destroyed" has been proven wrong. If it was people would have won nobel prizes for it. Give me a peer reviewed example of matter being created or destroyed, or just dont bother replying
Netruic 8 months ago
I would like to meet these Atheists that you speek of.. the ones that believe Nothing created everything.. I am an Atheist and know plenty of others. Not one of us beleive that..But not knowing how everything came about doesnt make religious fairytales THE TRUTH. Nothing is wrong with not knowing exactly how we came about, what is wrong is claiming to know and shoving a bible in someones face as evidence
roofit1129 9 months ago
the universe its self is endless, that is you!all matter is merely energy condensed to slow vibration.we are 1 consciousness experiencing subjectively.no such thing as death,life is only a dream. far better to see the universe as it truly is,than to persist delusion however satisfying and reassuring it is.(c sagan)no were to go. you are telling me from absolutely nothing came a thing called GOD, he made the whole universe and everything in it,what would he made everything from himself me ahhhh
IMINTHEMOMENTRU 9 months ago
PLEASE INTERVIEW ME!!!
DarthJohn111 9 months ago
I just have one thing to ask, Who created GOD?????
thetoothlessguy 9 months ago
@thetoothlessguy
Think of the nonsensical question you just asked:
Who Caused the FIRST CAUSE?
That's what you are really asking, because by definition God would be THE first cause of all things, otherwise He wouldn't be God. Most already realize this if they simply think clearly.
If anything were to precede the FIRST CAUSER (illogical already by posing it; and thus nonsensical), the one preceding would be God instead.
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa You giving the definition of god being the first cause doesn't make it true, it's your own created definition. There are other processes which could be a first cause, for exemple quantum fluctuations don't need a cause, they happen randomly out of nothing. Science is advancing on this subject and "God did it" isn't anymore the only solution. And even if it was, it would still be a very unreasonable assumption.
2CSST2 9 months ago
@2CSST2
Incorrect: Quantum fluctuation superficially exist apparently without a cause but EXIST solely in the CURRENT UNIVERSE which we know has a distinct trend of decay (governed by current patterns as described by Laws of Physics (of the current 'era')). Just because QF's do not yet exhibit an underlying, yet hidden PATTERN, does NOT mean there is ZERO connection to how or why the universe IS decaying. I am certain they are connected, but we are talking about trivial low information events.
xzotyqa 9 months ago
cont'd:
This is what SCIENCE is about... exploring to FIND the underlying PATTERNS of our ORDERED UNIVERSE, and not simply giving up and thinking, there is NO CAUSE, and settling for just that.
Our Universe has a very specific characteristic to it, either mathematical models fit it poorly or perfectly for the purpose of being able to desribe its inner workings, AND as tools for PREDICTIVE future behavior.
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa It is understood that nothing really isn't nothing because out of nothing automatically comes something. The hard part is understanding how it works, how exactly does nothing become something. What rules governs this transformation? One thing we do know, the universe is nothing in its all. That's the one thing Krauss conceided. As he said, it was satisfying to know that the data proves this, because the alternative would make no sense.
2CSST2 9 months ago
@2CSST2 You may say things like "Im slowly catching on", "Im wrong" but just saying doesn't making it true. Im just slowly describing the whole 1 hour video to you since you don't understand what I say. The whole idea of the 0 = 1+(-1) illustration was to illustrate that positive energy and matter altogether can would be the one (matter reduces to a certain amount of energy), add that to the positive forms of energy, you get a certain amount of positive energy in the whole universe.
2CSST2 9 months ago
@xzotyqa You're the one who misses out on a definition here. You don't seem to know the difference between a theory as understood by general public and a scientific theory. A scientific theory is factual, it is a factual way of explaining something. You're all on the hypothetical mathematics simply because I used mathematics to illustrate how the universe can be nothing, I did not USED them to conclude that. And just the video, you're arguing with me about something you dont even know
2CSST2 9 months ago
@xzotyqa The universe is nothing in its whole. It has been proven scientifically, and simply saying "oh science is not always correct blablabla" doesn't make it false. If you think the proof was wrong, simply learn the damn proof and explain why its wrong and stop denying things out of ignorance.
2CSST2 9 months ago
@2CSST2
a play on the word 'nothing' is disingenuous, worse when it should be obvious to you that Klauss concedes 'nothing is not really nothing'... and in the end, STILL talks about SOMETHING, ineptly named virtual particles... how misleading is that? so... even 'empty space' is NOT what you think it is, and it certainly not 'nothing', but at least mathematically, they like to see it as 'nothing' for philosophical reasons only.
all it means is that that 'nothing' still remains to be sorted out
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa The amount of positive energy (forms of positive energy including matter) is equal to the amount of negative energy in all the universe, therefore the result is nothing. How possibly can't you understand a simple idea as this to think that Im saying energy is nothing... Listen one last time: The forms of positive energy AND the forms of negative energy TOGETHER are nothing... TOGETHER. TOGETHER. OK? Positive + negative is nothing. How can I be more clear on that?
2CSST2 9 months ago
@2CSST2
net result... a balance of THINGS, not NOTHING, get it?
remember, for Krauss, it is still beyond him (his admission, not mine).
but for me, the simple answer is that the universe is YOUNG, that practically resolves the inequalities of the equations used for evolutionistic cosmology.
remove an OLD UNIVERSE, and ALL the equations work out.
ignore the reality of a YOUNG UNIVERSE, and you end up with Cosmology of today, constantly looking for fictitious solutions to misguided questions.
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa What you don't seem to understand, it's that you talk as though you think the proof of the universe made out of nothing was made by adding the positive and negative forms of energy and that they all balanced to zero. On this case we could agree they might have forgot to add something. But that's at all how they proved. It comes from the fact that a universe made out of nothing would have a flat geometry. The geometry is measurable, it's a measure, not adding.
2CSST2 9 months ago
@xzotyqa Your only play is really to not understand is it? Im sure you do know in what sense Krauss meant nothing not really nothing. You're just refusing to conceiding my point. At least now you agree the universe is one form of nothing, whatever you think it is. Krauss said nothing is really nothing, but if you listen to why he said that, he said that because out of nothing automotically comes something. But originally, nothing was needed for that something, just like the universe
2CSST2 9 months ago
@xzotyqa I do. You don't. That's the whole point. The net result, the balance of things, IS nothing. 'A universe from nothing'... get it? The title wasn't named like that for no reason. It isn't beyond Krauss that the universe is nothing. The use of the word nothing isn't disingenuous because you don't understand what it means. What is beyond Krauss, is how the fabrics of this works. He knows the universe came from nothing, but couldn't replicate it himself.
2CSST2 9 months ago
@xzotyqa "A balance of THINGS, not NOTHING" The emphasis on the word things shows that you still don't understand. Im very sad I've explained it 20 times already. Of course if you take them apart, each of those "things" aren't nothing. It's when you put them together that they are nothing. The positive and the negative cancel out together, but of course they don't cancel out with themselves seperately.
2CSST2 9 months ago
@2CSST2
It has nothing to do with it being understood, it has to do with applying a non-normative meaning to some-THING to come out balanced as nothing. That only means the theorists are playing fast and loose with something they don't know how best to measure AS something which they have NOT YET properly figured out yet. It is a convenient way to conceal ignorance of looking at the equation, and thinking that it all balances out to nothing, when it may very well be something yet to be 'sensed'
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa You are as much in denial as creationists are with evolution. It's not a "thoerists" conclusions, it has been proven with observations. They've had to wait and work hard to get them, not acting "fast and loose" at all. You can keep denying if you want. What you say makes no sense at all. Like if they didn't understand their equations correctly and something to be "sensed" might pop out out of no where.
2CSST2 9 months ago
@xzotyqa There is now a ton of proofs and observations showing the universe to be in a flat structure, which undoubtably means a universe made out of nothing. If you deny this fact it's your problem, it's very foolish to assume all these scientists having peer reviewed again and again are all mistaken and it happens to be one of the biggest scientific mistake. Like if suddenly the pythagoream theorem was proven false
2CSST2 9 months ago
@xzotyqa On a certain point of view, I agree with the "yet to be 'sensed' " part. That's right, nothing yet sensed in all scientific data has ever proven the presence of some deity or anything else. The word "yet" tempts to think as though thoses proofs will be found. But we could just as well say the same for the presence of an invisible unicorn, yet to be sensed.
2CSST2 9 months ago
"Good evening. Let me ask you, could you believe that nothing created everything? Of course not. Nothing created god, who then created everything. See, perfectly logical. Now send us money."
dtorfleming 9 months ago
The only time I ever heard "nothing created everything" was from deceptive creationists... And claiming "some-ONE" had to have made-" with baseless assumptions...
On a positive note, I've got to thank all those creationists for bolstering my conviction that my non-belief is far more accurate than any religious worldview.
727Phoenix 9 months ago 4
@727Phoenix Of course not. No one who believes it would ever put it so simply as to make themselves seem foolish. But as posted earlier, the link at the end of this post, shows plenty of secularists that believe we got everything from absolutely nothing. /watch?v=fWq0lahNNyY
thewayofthemaster 9 months ago
@thewayofthemaster we DID get everything from absolutely nothing. You havn't made any research and it shows If you want to do some, you will find many articles, and even a video on youtube by Lawrence Krauss, which explain that the universe all in all IS nothing but in a different form. There are negative forms of energy (gravity) which cancel out with the positive forms perfectly. For a simple illustration: 0 = (-1) + 1
2CSST2 9 months ago
@2CSST2:
Incorrect. All you did was appeal to a mathematical construct. Anybody can do that, but are impotent to enact it out, or even record it as a matter of history. It is pure hypothetical conjecture: play with a few equations at the cosmological level may generate entertainment, but none of it ever stands solid without innumerable flaws.
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa The math equation was simply an illustration, not playing with cosmological laws, and I have sated it. And it IS completelely correct. It's a scientific fact, you simply can't argue it. Just go look it out, Lawrence Krauss hasn't been the only one to talk about it, but his video on youtube is the best one to vulgarize it simply. All in all, the universe IS nothing. I don't even know why I have to defend myself from you saying it's hypothetical, I had already stated feedback
2CSST2 9 months ago
@2CSST2
Wrong again: it is NOT 'completely correct' nor a 'scientific fact', it is a set of equations to help describe some observations, which even your 'simple illustration' would differ by only complexity of the formulas.
Your words, are NOT nothing... think about invalidating and negating your OWN reasoning by appealing to 'the universe is NOTHING'. If all you really mean is that it is mostly 'empty', but for the 'forces' that exist, yes, this is an interesting way of viewing the universere
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa Including mass. All the mass in the universe are equivalent to an amount of energy. All the gravity in the universe is equivalent to negative energy, there are also other forms of positive energy. All in all, ALL of them come to nothing when you sum them up. That has not been proven by summing them all up, but rather by mesuring the curvature of the fabric of the universe.
2CSST2 9 months ago
@xzotyqa And if you can't care to look out the video yourself, which you obviously havn't from your comment stating it's hypothetical, here's the link: /watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
2CSST2 9 months ago
@2CSST2
interesting mathematics (hypothetical cosmology), has very little utility but to entertain, for those who have no interest in looking at what is 'real' versus what is a humorous fictitious mathematical variation (deviation, spoof) on it.
both folks mentioned on the video, are making appeals to old ideas (straw man argument approach), and not appealing to any real 'facts'.
you have to UNDERSTAND what 'theoretical' means: it has some practical, but limited value, up the point of failure.
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa You just understand what Im saying. The universe ON THE WHOLE is nothing, not just the words of my comment, that's a horrible analogy, df course my words are not nothing. I don't see what's so hard to understand. I'll repeat it last: The universe is nothing in a whole. How we know, from interpreting scientific data. The math equation is an illustration. And the interpretation IS completely correct. Here's how it falls out. Everything in the universe, can be reduced to a form of energy
2CSST2 9 months ago
@2CSST2
... you are catching on, but slowly... i already mentioned 'forces'... and only now you have to concede to 'reduced to a form of energy'... sadly 'energy is NOT nothing'...
worse, if Lawrence Krauss cannot 'satisfactorily' answer with any explanation, that is a clear indication, he does NOT have any real useful answer. a partial answer, MAYBE, a full answer... no, it is pure theory, none accurate as 'fact'. Tweak the variables and get the model that makes one fit a worldview one wants.
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@2CSST2
In essence, the bulk of cosmological mathematical models are interesting variations with slight different equations involved, and different values needed to postulate a HYPOTHETICAL PAST, hoping it 'better fits' the observed RAW DATA, but rarely do the models work well with ALL the observations, only some observations BETTER than, say, another competing mathematical model. And most are aware there are plenty of models not measuring up: frankly none of the 'old universe' ones do at all.
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@xzotyqa All scientific theories have their limitations, but that doesn't make them false on everything. Newtonian physics laws fail horribly at the big or small scale, but them only were needed to get us to the moon, and planes not crashing rely completely on them. The universe coming from nothing is both very well represented mathematically AND observed and tested with telescope data. Obviously, you still haven't watched the video... You dismiss a theory without even knowing it at all
2CSST2 9 months ago
@xzotyqa I havn't stated QF wern't linked to the state of the universe, though talking about hypothetical scpeculation, that is purely one from your part to state they are. The point however is that there are alternative to god for a first cause, and the QF are just a proof of that, so it is totally wrong to assume god can be the only solution to the problem as to why the universe came to be. Also, the "from nothing" problem HAS already been solved.
2CSST2 9 months ago
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nextgenvids 6 months ago
@thewayofthemaster With all due respect, it sounds a lot like when atheists describe Jesus as some undead zombie alternative medicine doctor who flies. No Christian would EVER admit it b/c it would make them look foolish. Are you saying the reality is atheists (cosmologists) say nothing created everything and Jesus was some flying undead zombie doctor? With all due respect, I fail to see the difference. In both cases, each side is telling the other what they believe and grossly oversimplifying.
Ripley747 6 months ago
@thewayofthemaster Please...
JensGall02 5 months ago
This guy is a moron...I mean Christianity says god wasn't created which goes against their philosophy that says everything had to be created by some intelligent being. If "god" can exist without being created by anything, why can't the universe? And I've never heard an atheist say that everything came from nothing. Before you do another senseless video like this, please know what your talking about. Also you shouldn't take off voting just because you don't like the results.
langelslshadowl 9 months ago
@langelslshadowl You're off on your facts. Christianity says everything that "has a beginning", needs a cause (God). Regarding the universe being eternal, even most secular scientists (including Stephen Hawking) agree that the Universe is not eternal and had a starting point (Big Bang). Where the "nothing created everything" comes about can be found here: /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fWq0lahNNyY
thewayofthemaster 9 months ago
@thewayofthemaster
Why is it impossible that the singularity always existed? Also on an unrelated note, how do you explain the genetic code links between different animals.? Simple question. . . Answer my question in two parts. I want both addressed. . .
o0oSolidSnakeo0o 9 months ago
@o0oSolidSnakeo0o Since the original statement was 'everything that has a beginning needs a cause', and you're asserting that the singularity didn't need a cause, you need to provide the proof to that assertion, espcially in light of both camps (creation/evolution) saying that the Universe is not eternal and started with nothing. Re: genetic links, this page says it better than I can christiananswers(dot)net/q-aig/aig-c018.html.
thewayofthemaster 9 months ago
@thewayofthemaster
Reverse the argument. You are asserting that god didn't need a cause. You need to provide proof for this assertion. To which you reply:
"God is eternal. He doesn't need a cause. . ."
I then say:
"What makes god any different from the singularity"
o0oSolidSnakeo0o 9 months ago
@o0oSolidSnakeo0o OK. At this point we're arguing that either an all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent Being created us or something that has no greater intelligence than a rock did, for no apparent reason (oh that's right this is cosmology. Life came from non-life on a completely unrelated stroke of luck) ... The First Cause was Uncaused, Beginningless, Changeless, Immaterial, Timeless, Powerful and Personal. God fits that bill, a singularity does not.
thewayofthemaster 9 months ago
@langelslshadowl
We know from pure 100% experience everyday with zero exceptions that new things 'made' (not created) minimally from pre-existing complex sophisticated systems that NEVER exhibit 'self-materialization-from-nothing'. All existing systems of change with high specificity, show design with intelligence behind it. It is mimicked by humans at a human level, but at the cosmic level it is observed minus the Creator showing His face. (nothing wrong with that; we know that reason already)
xzotyqa 9 months ago
@langelslshadowl
Thus so far, from all events ever observed or observable, ANYTHING in the Universe with informational high specificity, ever coming into existence on its own.
The prevalence of high diversity of such high complex specificity 'everywhere' hints at an intelligence at a cosmic level. On a human level, it is like entering a sophisticated factory for manufacturing and assembling Boeing 777's, with all humans gone home for the day, and declaring, "Why can't the factory create itself?"
xzotyqa 9 months ago
You should enable the voting so we can see what people really think about this stupidity and strawmaning.
dogking100 9 months ago
So now we know
1) Atheists are males
2) All atheists believe that nothing created everything
3) Atheism is unintellectual
4) Richard Dawkins believes nothing created everything
swisscheesepotatochi 9 months ago
You know what's embarrassing? When people talk about things they have no knowledge of. I'd be pretty embarrassed if I were you. Do you believe that something can be created out of nothing? Because we certainly don't. You find some dumb people in the street and you think you have proven something? Get Real.
DarkOrion09 9 months ago 5
watch the video "a universe from nothing" by lawerance krauss it answers the question how can something come from nothing.
Director3344 9 months ago
Going to the streets and asking average people how something came from nothing, isn't a way to prove that god exists...
DarknesSoldier 9 months ago
Tell me Kirk....Do you believe that "Nothing" created "Everything"?
Scientists don't. Atheists certainly don't!
Do you believe "Everything" was incanted into existence from nothing by something whose existence you can't explain? - If you're a bible literalist, I think you do, eh?
Tobytrim 9 months ago
Is it just me or the light playing tricks or do I actually see horn on the heads of Kirk Cameron?
WolfySnackrib666 9 months ago
Can we nominate a living person for a Darwin Award for being an evolutionary dead end?
ancientshogun 9 months ago
Atheism does not say a bee came from nothing. Ray is dishonest.
bogusnachos 10 months ago
Science can make manufactured honey. This guy is really stupid, all he's doing is putting people on the spot. It all comes from bacteria, and the bacteria came from the big bang. The big bang is a recurring process, it's been in motion forever, Humans cannot determine when time began, we can only determine approximately when our timeline begin. L2Not push your belief onto everyone plz ray comfort.
lstev39 10 months ago
@lstev39 Since "forever" cannot be scientifically proven, to say "it's been in motion forever" is simply your belief(which for some reason you feel you can push on others, but then you say Ray can't).
thewayofthemaster 10 months ago
@lstev39 time as we know it only began when the planets and stars began to form, so we cant even determine when time began. All creationist theories are based on the assumption that there HAS to be a creator
Xloi63 9 months ago
@lstev39
big bang is a pure mathematical model, not an observation of any kind, but an explanation for SOME, not all observations made of the cosmos. the observations it cannot explain are why that mathematical model is a dud. (a failed model).
all Cosmologists do, are add secondary, tertiary assumptions:
more mathematical fudge factors, adjustments, tweaks, to try to better fit the observations, but still fall short in observations that actually put the entire mathematical model not 'equating'
xzotyqa 9 months ago
We all agree nothing can't create everything, It's just that some people can say "I don't know" and others can't.
btw... If the creator created everything... Who created the creator...?
dare you say... "I DON'T KNOW"?...
z3r0Projects 10 months ago
and what created god you idiot
hahaImallwaysright 10 months ago
No I don't believe nothing created everything.
So I don't believe in God, right so far Kirk.
Atheists and I am one do not believe everything came from nothing your are right it is impossible unless you claim magic. Now let see who have you confused that makes claims of everything from nothing - Oh Religion that's right and as you said that is impossible Kirk.
Yes ray is confusing but semantics is all he has got.
Then he will say no one made God he was just there out of nothing 'Contradict'
VideoAudioDisco09 10 months ago
@Godusesamac No one tell my old English professor! Don't mess with me, guy, criticizing my grammatical choices is a dickish way of trying to gain the upper hand in an argument, and an irrelevant one at that. Would you rather I said "we don't know it's illogical?" In any case, the conversation is about the beliefs of Ray Comfort, and he believes the universe was created 6,000 years ago. The point still stands that there's no reason matter had to be created.
bicokun 10 months ago
@Godusesamac No, we don't know it's not logical. It's certainly more logical than assuming there's some omniscient, omnipotent entity "outside the universe" somehow defied the laws of physics to create the universe 6,000 years ago and created it in such a way that all evidence points toward a completely different conclusion while it also requires us to grovel or it will torture us for all eternity after we die. Where did THIS thing come from anyway? Oh, it's eternal? Because that's logical.
bicokun 10 months ago
@Godusesamac The truth is that absolutely nobody knows . All we have are theories. Most people who are religious and don't like evolution theory. Never step back and look at the God concept as just a theory . It doesn't even stand up to be a theory because it is untestable. Its barely a hypothesis.They dont see that a super wizzard that poofed a universe out of nothing, is not a good theory & is kinda childish. Darwin said all we have to chose from is a couple of vague ideas. He was spot on.
flubno 10 months ago
@Godusesamac it depends..
randomsrvapps 10 months ago
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@Godusesamac
LOL BS! You are that maybe by chance then. Most people are religious or follow something by what there family are. Or what area they live in! If you was born in asia you would prob stay an atheist.If you was born in middle east you would prob be muslim etc! All bs!
cruiseylee 10 months ago
hahaha this made my day.
CHRISTOTIMARU 10 months ago
@Godusesamac and the belief of a scientist is irrelevant, although most physicists, climatologists and astronomers are agnostics but I do not know about the rest.
But anyway someones belief doesnt change how valid a theory is the big bang was actually thought of by a catholic priest. So I can agree on that.
And with the size of the universe we should have a lot of other civilizations which are more advanced than us.
And on computers I cant wait till the day we have quantum computers.
randomsrvapps 10 months ago
@Godusesamac it was an example but science is just a method, and I was saying that it doesnt believe in fairy tales like you said. "Ill take my belief over your fairy tale any day." and the earth will be swallowed by the sun because of the nuclear fusion reaction taking place will go south when it runs out of hydrogen fuel causing the reaction to go out of balance, causing the sun to expand into a red giant.
And red giants have been observed along with supernova' physics is amazing.
randomsrvapps 10 months ago
This video is about as invalid as saying that unborn babies believe in zeus.
Atheism is simply not believing in a deity.
Nothing more nothing less.
randomsrvapps 10 months ago
@Godusesamac seriously godusesamac, science doesn't believe in fairy tales because it has a track record of success. The computer you are using at this very moment is a result of advances in technology from science, not your god. We live on average about 70-80 years because of modern medicine, hygene and clean drinking water not because of praying and lifespan continues to rise.
Heres one for you, what has no mass and trillions of these particles are hitting you right now? (at light speed)
randomsrvapps 10 months ago
@Godusesamac well not really, I personally do not believe in the god of the bible or any creation as I lack reason to believe in a creator with no evidence. As for fairy tales the bible is written very badly and even includes stories about unicorns, giants, demons, angels witches and wizards which I also do not believe in as they lack evidence and just sound silly to me.
And physicists now think that a reverse black hole caused the big bang.
randomsrvapps 10 months ago
What exactly do you hope to achieve by stopping people in the street to answer big questions? All it shows is that persons grasp of the subject not proof it's invalid. I get the same stuttering responses from christians who knock on my door. Where did god come from? Why did this perfect god create the evil that led to drowning the earth to start over? If they can't answer these questions immediately does that mean your religion is bogus?Is it alright for you not to have a quick coherent response
ptango101 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
oh and also on the snake, or serpant, he took the snakes legs away didnt he lol? But erm, theres sea snakes, dont u see the stupidness here lol. And what kind of thing punishes a snake and then lets it become a sea snake if it wasnt already one lol. Oh all this stuff is so funny.
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@cruiseylee The serpent had to crawl on its belly. Read the text, for the first time.
Godusesamac 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
Anyway u dont answer again, why not just say the earth is round everyone ok. So u wont fall off the edge of the sea if u go discovering lol. people though tthe earth was flat till a few thousand years ago! Why didnt god help anyone with a mpa of the earth in the bible or anything lol? it is so bs all this i cant belive im still in talks with this bs lol. And didnt u know that fossils and genes prove the earth to be millions of years old. Oh and no evidence of a flood also lol.
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
cos god writes it maybe LOL. Its a term used these days. But strage how god didnt just say the sun never moves, but the earth does, strage why he didnt say anything like that hmm. But as we really know the bible was written by confused men who didnt know science like we now do. did you know people once prayed to the sun as a god, to thunder, as they didnt understand it. Now we know what the sun is and what thunder is! ans anyway all religious people are athesits! they all knock-
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
Exactly!m U now agree how stpud this is! Thankyou. Why say in the bible i will heal you if he cant1 Oh but he picks and chooses what he heals LOL! how fitting he only heals the ones that cant be scientifically proven hmm? And what video did i watch? I saw something on the net years ago about why doesnt god heal amputies! And its obvious why not, HE DONT EXIST LOL. And i also know 11 year old who ask great questions.. sometiomes they ask the best one, i work in a school as a TA!
cruiseylee 10 months ago
for the stars to be that far away! Some starts are tens of thousands of light years away, and thats the ones we can see! Theres billions more!
cruiseylee 10 months ago
-any idea how big the universe is? It would take hundreds and thousands and maybe in even millions of times longer to make than the earth! And why do all that just to create light for the earth LOL? Its ridiculous! Why waste all that time when u could have created visual light without the universe?? And anyway evolution is now fact, its no real talking point anymore. We have evidence and facts of it, and its also impossible for earth to be 6 thousand years old, it would take millions of years -
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
Also you didnt answer why it had nothing in the bible that helped anyone at the time of the writings? Why not one bit of help? why no scientific ideas or disease cures? why has humans themselves had to do all of this? Oh and to remind u, if it wasnt for science and non believers no cures or scientitic developments would have ever been discovered! And i told you that if it wasnt days then it was in reference to 3 times more then making the earth to making the universe? Do u have-
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
Oh dear oh dear lol. Erm, Well i say the millions of people in history who have been religious who have asked for a new arm or leg are my evidence!! And all the thousands of and maybe millions of burn victims since time began is also my evidence! God can do anything it says i bible, and he can heal anyone or anything! So why doesnt he heal amputies or burn victims?? Its never been proven ever that he has done! I also call that evidence! It would be world news if he ever did!!
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
Rubbish!! It dont matter if im new or not. To just answer my message like that is complete BS! You could answer like this to every questio i had and it would get you out of actually answering the question like a normal adult. But yea i forgot im talking to a religious nut who is brain dead, brain washed, and gulible and who believes in ancient scriptures by ancient men claiming of talking snakes and bushes and u believe it LOL, So anything possible here lol.
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
-does say fight and force your enemys off the edges of the earth. The Bible claims that Earth has four ends and four corners. The wicked might get shaken off of it and fall off in space?!
The Earth has pillars? The flat Earth is established and can never move?! The Sun hurries back to where it rises? Why would it say all this??
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
Yes the bible does endorse slavery!! It even says you can beat your slave! Wow! Aslong as u dont kill him and he can walk in a few days u can beat your slave! Check Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT and (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) + (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) The bible is full of slavery! And you cant deny its full of killing innocent women and children! babies in Egypt being slaughtered because of those b4 them! And god ordered it all!
And i dont know the scripture numbers on the the earth but it-
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac I did not make such a claim, please review the conversation.
randomsrvapps 10 months ago
@Godusesamac wWe admit that we do not know everything, notice that scientists say that "we think this happened because of..." It is the theists that claim that their religion is the truth. Science is changing rapidly and is growing, we will know sooner or later but its better to increase knowledge and embrace it than to believe in fairy tales.
randomsrvapps 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
-Bible? If any book could create an athiest or believer into a non believer its that evil, lying, contradictory book lol. Full of genocide, murders, rapes, killing women and children, endorsing slavery, its discusting. Any decent person who can use there brain would never worship such evil and such jealosy as he rewards faith in him more than good deads or being a good person. nd did u even know in the bible there are 4 references to the world being flat and not round! read it!
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
-creating the earth?? and there is nothing in the bible about washing of hands1 why do u think billions of people died not knowin that simple fact! and why no other health advice in the bible? why was there not one thign in the bible to help the people at that time? dont u realise if it wasnt for science and non religious people we would still be in the stone age! We woulnd tbe on facebook or have cures for thousands of diseases etc! And even if god was real have u even read the-
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
That is awesone LOL!! so god can do anything in the world and hes all powerful and loving and good. But he cant heal an amputie or a burn victim LOOL. So he an make the universe in 1 day and heal all cancers, tumors, do any miracle but when it comes to somethign like heal a burn victijm oops i cant lol. And weird how it took him 3 days to create the earth and 1 day to do universe lol. On that time scale it would have taken him hundreds of years not 1 day! not 3 times longer than-
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
I did answer you but seems to have disapeared? I said look up on utube for origins of the universe. Its all explained with evidence and proof! Something thiests dont ever have! Lets get the god idea out of brain dead peoples head with the simple,y dont god heal burn victims or amputies?? Why wasnt there one thing in the bible that was a revalattion for its time? Why no health advice or scientific help? why nothin like wash hands that would save billions of lives, cos god aint real
cruiseylee 10 months ago
@Godusesamac
Go look up on utube start of the universe! It will explain things much better than i can. I will send u a pm of a site and a ,link on utube which can educate you. I take it your stance is a mystery created a mystery lol, which is more crazy or fare fetched than evolution!
cruiseylee 10 months ago
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cruiseylee 10 months ago
I watched an interesting talk on the universe by a famous physicist (I am not a scientist, I don't remember sorry) and he was explaining how nothing made nothing, seeing as there is zero total energy in the universe (don't ask me the specifics, I am retarded)
tommorellorules 10 months ago
why can we not accept that we simply do not know what "created" everything. Why can't nature be the metaphorical creator?
swisscheesepotatochi 11 months ago
If the Dawkins quote wasn't a case of quote mining (ie. he didn't go on to describe how it happened afterwards) , then I will happily eat my hat with a knife and fork and enjoy it.
Alfalotter 11 months ago
Ray Comfort's a master all right. A master of the twisted word. He corners people with semantics and false premises that the common person isn't intelligent enough to recognize off the top of their heads. Let's not consider that all time and matter could very well have always existed without some intelligent supernatural being. Let's not consider that asking how to get honey "from nothing" makes no sense in the context of evolution because honey is never posited to come from nothing.
bicokun 11 months ago
lol Who made "God" O right he's god he made him self out of thin Air, O right no Air in Space he made him self out of Dark Matter.
Dogmeat1950 11 months ago
The thing religion tells us is that one super magical Wizzard created everything ! Niether evolution or ceationism are very good. It's what we use to fill the gaps. By the way, matter comes from energy. That's something Albert Einstien figured out. Mass is the by product of Energy. It would take 9 atomic bombs to make a rock the size of your fist. Imagine what energy it takes to create the whole universe. The answers are coming from science, not a book written 3000 years ago by stone age people
flubno 11 months ago
Okay That was just circular nonesense coming from Ray, The very same question could be turned back on him (Ray) by asking who created God?
ronin11x 11 months ago
Search for Lawerence Krauss - A Universe From Nothing, religious numbnuts. You are going to destroy the world one day if religion doesnt disappear and dies off. Stop using the benefits of science.
TeabagTore 11 months ago 9
@TeabagTore Is it morally wrong for religion to destroy the world?
jdswiney 10 months ago
Hahaha! This is so absurd its almost funny. Too bad that he didn't end up interviewing Lawerence Krauss on the street. I'd love to see the incredible "logic" of the interviewer then. I dont understand whats so scary and obsolete with atheism, it's just reality. How people can so obviously deny reality is beyond me. These fools are on youtube so why the hell can't they watch some SCIENCE CLIPS so you can learn from the real master minds.
TeabagTore 11 months ago 5
@TeabagTore There's nothing science about evolution. Have you every seen the Big Bang or evolution tested using the scientific method? Makes it impossible considering those events cannot be observed. Therefore they are not science but closer to religion in definition.
jdswiney 10 months ago
I'd love Ray Comfort to ask ME those idiotic quesitons, so I can answer them all correctly, but then he would not use my clip in his promo. He only will use the people that can't answer the question to his silly and misleading questions
Futureplanet 11 months ago
Can you believe that an invisible magic man in the sky created the universe from nothing? Can you believe that nothing created god? Can you believe the amount of intelligence Kirk Cameron has is nothing?
Futureplanet 11 months ago
Matter can't be created or destroyed, energy can't be created or destroyed. Matter and energy we observe now is the same as 100m, 200m years ago.
Life has one intrinsic property it can adopt to the environment e.g. in gravitation = 0 human body lose muscles and bones in other words evolves all the time.
I don't know how about you gays but I can buy in my country man made honey.
xegos 1 year ago
A watchmaker requires components to build a watch.
Regardless of what god can or cannot do. This simple fact makes the watchmaker/painter analogy utterly meaningless.
JimboWizbo 1 year ago
@randomsrvapps
sadly no scientist (evolutionist) has been even remotely successful at this lab process you allude to.
xzotyqa 1 year ago
didnt come from nothing, came from matter!! heres your evidence!! watch the history of the universe!!
cruiseylee 1 year ago
I have a question for you, who created god?
Something can't come from nothing, it must of come from something.
wow what a unproductive argument... instead of paying attention to this guy go work at CERN or feed your brain with information.
randomsrvapps 1 year ago 7
@randomsrvapps Everything that has a beginning has a cause. Einstein's general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time. Therefore He doesn't have a cause.
thewayofthemaster 1 year ago