Left, Right and Wrong by the Southern Avenger

[John3285]

in case none of you realised my earlier comment was sarcastic!!!

[John3285]

NO Taxation EVER for america, the govt can find another way to raise money

[okayillgonow]

@John3285: well, fairtax is a possible solution. But this would hurt lower-classes since their purchasing-power is small, unlike the middle- / upper-classes.

So Yes gov should find other methods of raising money.

[xtremejohnny69]

@okayillgonow The higher the price on a good, the higher the tax. The rich would still pay more than the poor, through their own spending power. Also, you recieve a monthly prebate if you're below the poverty level. I'm pretty much in 100% support of the fairtax.

[okayillgonow]

@xtremejohnny69: yeah my friend told me about that and completely changed my mind on the fairtax

[Poonard]

one word explains why the republicans are so undefined "Neo-Conservatism"

[blackrocker1]

So, what do YOU suggest?

[rokitjon]

The Southern Avenger appears to think that there are only 2 political parties in America...that is bias!

[Poonard]

@rokitjon well, there are 2 HUGE ones that prop each other up, the ideas they present are so similar that there really is only 1 choice. I believe what he is suggesting is that we need to really evaluate what we want rather than vote per party.

[rokitjon]

I haven't gotten that from anything he's said in this or other videos,but of course your right about evaluating what we want.One way or the other,I dont think we could get even exposure or an honest vote count even if a candidate was fielded who actually represented the best interests of Americans fiscal,Constitutional and sovereignty issues.

[twizelby]

i thought you where gonna be a dick but you are kind of refreshing

[BalanceFairTruth]

Why do have to be so right all the time?

Liberal and conservative are supposed to be exact opposites... but Reps are just as big govt, big spending.

Though Ron Paul had many "conservatives" policies: low taxes, less government, gun rights they actually lead to more liberal results. More freedoms to the people. And his liberal policies: gay marriage, less military at the same time also granted more liberal results.

In a weird way, conservatism is liberal.

[tw1704]

good analysis.

[Atheist2007]

It's funny to see how differently Europeans and Americans define liberalism.

In fact, Bush is what we call liberal.

[JakartaInFlames]

If Reagan is so conservative how come we had a budget deficit under him? Even though he cut taxes, he did not reduce spending.

[SUpersaiyajinjerkbag]

Yeah, Reagan was a de-facto neo-con. SA seems to just give him cred just on principle though.

[russelelane]

As a constitutional Libertarian, all I can say is AMEN!

[CuntThunder]

Tax the bastards.

Help the poor.

Unrestrained capitalism doesn't work.

[UcanbeGOD]

When you steal from the rich and give to the poor you are still a thief and some of the worst things you can do to a person who might give is force them to. One of the worst things you can do to a poor person is give them a free ride.

[SUpersaiyajinjerkbag]

ok so tax the poor and subsidize corporations like a true republican

[UcanbeGOD]

No, just don't tax anyone.

[austenbosten]

I'm a democrat, but I'm against Big Govn't, but unfortunatly the Bush adm, and current GOP is so in love with the Big Govn't aswell, it's hard to tell the 2 parties apart, but I'll be voting democrat, just cause Sarah Palin can not run the nation, if something happens to McCain. People think Obama is inexp. try this women from a former Commie territory. AK is short for pinko communism

[brainerdrebel]

I want out of the Union.

[vomeggido]

You actually sound like you know what you are talking about avenger- which is fucking scary at first, then of course you trail off into intelligent "sounding" lunacy which proves why douchebags like you can attract a following of people who are intelligent but don't really have the time to listen.

Culling the busy voter is all you've got- besides a gift of making idiots look fairly decent. If you weren't so fucking ugly you get easily get an anchor gig on FOX News!

[CorpralWasian]

you say the avenger doesn't know what he is talking about yet you make no counter points or even make any point at all in your rambling. all you do is insult him and your calling him out? well i call you out to make your case on how he is wrong. if you don't then i think "it's obvious as the day is long" that your full of hot air and are only hating on him because of his political affiliations or some other petty reason.

[Tepepn2005]

Thank you for the movie. That is good video. You are so right.

[stl6281z]

This is dead on thank you

Deo Vindice

[Whoo69]

George Washington was a conservative??? I dunno about that... Saying that is a little much. I prefer to call him a liberal, even if liberalism today isn't the same as "classical liberalism" back then. He still would not have been anywhere near what the GOP stands for today, which is what conservatism today is defined as by the beltway.

[shiftstart]

How did you come to the conclusion that Washington is a liberal politically?

As for today's GOP they stand no where close to true conservatism even if it smacked them upside their heads. As for the "beltway" they are loose as a goose and by know means they have monopoly over the conservative principles.

[filmzo]

Ironically 'liberal' used to mean interested in securing liberty, unlike the modern Marxist connotations. Under that standard he is a liberal.

[shiftstart]

Actually Washington would be more of a Libertarian then a liberal. He secured our liberty against the British Empire attempt of colonizing. And here at home remained "conservative" when it came to government role in the affairs of its citizens. Example, Washington turned down to become the "King" of New England. Because he would be no different than King George of England grabbing power after he fought for independence.

[filmzo]

Libertarian and liberal used to mean the same thing. Liberal doesn't mean libertarian anymore, but that doesn't change the fact that at the time he was both.

[shiftstart]

Well...filmzo I'm afraid it did not used to mean the same thing and you might want to look it up. Politically speaking a liberal even as far back as the Wilson years had no intention to make government role in peoples lives less including affairs on a global scale. Libertarianism was not responsible for every war this country has faced, its been Liberalism. But that is not to say that a person of liberal philosophy may not have a streak of libertarian values.

[shiftstart]

However, often times such streaks have always been self serving and limited when it comes to people in government.

[gwhayden3]

In fact when one is discussing the freedoms or civil liberties of the people, I am very liberal. When we are talking about the approach, reach or execution of governance, then I am very conservative. I believe a government should be very conservative with the powers that have been delegated to them-using those powers reluctantly, conservatively and as little as possibly thereby protecting the rights of the sovereign people of the sovereign states.

[HELLFIRE8282]

what about brown and the board of education. both of them!!!

[waw460]

Hmm. You Americans should really learn the original (=european) use of the term 'liberal'. Liberalism=SMALL government, low taxes, right side of the spectrum. (Liberalism~~>latin word for freedom)

Liberalism is not left. Left liberalism is a contradictio in terminis.

[maxime32]

No, because liberalism was always on the Left. When Socialism arose later liberalism moved to the centre, since really rather few people will take up arms to fight for free trade and total free markets compared to tradition, nation, race, Church, etc. Social-liberalism came about when some liberals realised the obvious : freedom from the STATE is only one type of freedom, a company or oligarch can be equally powerful and tyrannical. (I am anti-all liberalism)

[gwhayden3]

NO, the terms liberal and conservative have to do with the government's approach to the constitution. A liberal interpretation to our constitution means you read it liberally, thereby being a flexible. A conservative means a limited reading of the contract between our states, meaning the government cannot and should not take liberties with our constract that we call the constitution. Yes the root word for liberalism is liberty, but the term us used in how our government takes "liberties."

[gwhayden3]

So, the term is used about how our government reads the constitution "liberally," thereby taking "liberties" with their power. Yes liberalism by the people means liberty. Liberalism by a government means liberally using their power over the people. WE know what liberalism is and the root word is liberty. But, when we debate liberalism vs. conservatism, we are talking about the liberal approach to governing.

[GBanville]

If that mnemonic helps you make sense of it then, ok. So I hope I'm not spoiling your attempt to understand modern political labels when I point out that the terms liberal and conservative, along with left and right, originated in the French pre-revolutionary parliment, and continued to be defined by events and changes during and after the French revolution. (Wikipedia is informative.) Todays liberals are a misnomer. Socialist is more like it. Todays true liberals call themselves libertarian.

[PowerOfEurope]

Left is 50% right

Right is 50% right.

But everyone secretly knows that already. It's party stubbornness that is the real enemy.

[shiftstart]

I call that a "moderate" now pick a party and attach the name of your favorite political figure.

[TheAtheistPaladin]

Man, I miss you videos! It suck not having a connection that allows youtube in afghanistian. Keep up the good work.

[Iownall794]

Ron Paul is awesome!

[icetrout]

Ah,what a mess:[

[nissykayo]

we should totally go back to a system where private groups can do whatever they want without any government oversight. nothing bad ever happened in america back when it was like that...

[lazydogs]

LOL, You hardly left no one standing, great hits.

[TruckinMike1965]

Hey troll, Its easy to see your NEOCON induced pathetic comments are designed to damage the "SA". All of this contrived hate you spew will get you no where. We are wise to your ways. The SA's listeners know better than to Judge the SA by your remarks. TMike

[jabbadu431]

It's my opinion that the true root cause of all of this is the party system itself, as the constitution was designed EXPLICITELY to avoid. Yet people argue that the solution would be more parties, sinking further into a parliamentary-style apparatus. No matter the outcome, the next four years are going to be down right bizzar. Get debt-free as fast as you can, and being armed never hurts either. And SA, what times do you come on? I want to try to catch your show online at work.

[eelzen]

Hmmm, so you view collecting taxes as immoral? So when Jesus said 'render unto Caesar that which is his', Jesus was being immoral?

Amazing how little we seem to understand that a government by, for, and of the people isn't cheap and simple, nor is it anything like a private business.

Just my 2 cent SA. Overall, it was a nice video.

[philippe1985]

Using force is immoral. Since the government is using force and violence to pursue its needs then yes, taxing IS immoral.

[eelzen]

LOL! America is getting dumber by the minute.

[philippe1985]

that wans't a very smart answer indeed.

[eelzen]

It's an opinion not an answer.

Let's hope it wrong.

Vote Obama.

[philippe1985]

$60 trillions of obligations

$10 trillions debt

A dollar crashing. No end in sight for the central bank...

If Obama (or any major candidate) gets elected, I won't keep 1$ or € on my bank account.

But to answer you. There is more hope in America than anywhere else on earth. I live in a very collectivist country. I see America becoming like us. You don't know where your getting into.

My support goes for Ron Paul.

[eelzen]

No worries. I don't see us Americans or the world getting our act together collectively in my life time.

I like Ron Paul. It's the collective powers that seem to rule that don't.

[paleoroundtable]

Excellent. Simply excellent presentation.

[BooBooLane]

The "South" gave us 'Dahomey and Upper Volta

in America' because it was too lazy to pick its own cotton.

That was permanent 'Revenge'. Now, the South accepts third-world immigants by the dozens of millions, having learned nothing from its follies.

Thannxx NASCAR-Avengers. Thanxx, Southern Jesus Christ.

[whtdude13]

amen, well said brother.

[sobaysean]

Woa! Tell us how you really feel! Rants like is why we have the 1st amendment and, thank god, bush really isn't the 'decider'... (wasn't it him that said 'everything would be easier if America was a dictatorship'? Talk about wayward children. This one clearly never stopped taking those rich kid college drugs!

[angelsoulnme]

Southern Avenger - Why aren't you mentioning Dr. Ron Paul? Everythng you mentioned at minute 3:00 - Dr. Paul stands for! What you said about the rest of the Rep Candidates is surely the truth, HOWEVER Dr. PAUL is the ONLY true Republican up there.

[ParadeRainer]

angel, SA mentions RP all the time. He is a RP supporter. Check out his other videos.

[lastnymleft]

When speaking in generalities like "the Republicans", every broadcast should have some sort of comment about how it relates - or doesn't - to Ron Paul. Clearly the comments you were making today don't relate to Ron Paul, and that should be mentioned.

[TabooRealities]

Awesome!

[Ovalshine]

Very good video. Though I didn't like how you crushed my image of the word "principle" being of strictly positive meaning. I'll forgive you, anyways. LOL :-)

[wikiriwhi]

outstanding commentary

Deo vindice

Simply though, the Repubs need punishing and badly!

[laviciousness]

RP doesn't have a workable plan for getting rid of the DOE in 2 presidential terms. Nor does he have a workable plan to effectively eliminate our expensive federal social programs. Paulnuts are free to waste a vote if they wish.

[southernavenger]

Any vote for any candidate other than Ron Paul is a waste any way, regardless of who wins.

The only differences between the NY Yankees and the Boston Red Sox are the loyalties and prejudices of their fans. Ask a non-fan and you'll find it doesn't matter who wins - they're both baseball teams.

The same goes for the Republicans and Democrats - they're both just political parties, with no significant differences, except to those more concerned with the game than the results.

SA

[txnwinterbride]

Dude! Why are you not nationally syndicated? Texas would LOVE to hear you! Just to let you know, the vast majority of people at my work think McCain is a liberal, Romney is a fraud, and Giuliani and Huckabee are finished. I even know a couple of people who are liberal, who are voting for Ron Paul because the democrats are basically identical, and none of them really that good.

[laviciousness]

Again, that's patently false. For all their flaws, a substantial number of influential Republicans recognize the cultural and political threat that Islamism poses in this country. Unfortunately, the lobbying and economic power of the Saudis in this country eclipses them (for now). I challenge anyone who can show me that Democrats appreciate the threat to the same extent.

[Ovalshine]

What's not understood is that the Islamic threat is a very small fraction of a factor in comparison to the threat the "influential Republicans" pose. That is to say, what threats haven't been already mandated.

[laviciousness]

Indeed? Tell us, when's the last time a Republican tried to sue you for reporting suspicious activity? Or how many more people get palpable death threats for criticizing the GOP compared to the number of those who get similar threats for criticizing Islam? I could go on, but there's a 500 character limit on comments.

[harbinmeister]

I was thinking today, has an Iraqi ever beaten me up, taken my money, etc... Heck, has Osama done anything to me and my family? The answer, no.  The fed, gov is taking around 100,000$ in back taxes from my parents, which they honestly forgot to file b/c they were bonuses. So who's the real enemy?

[laviciousness]

Harbinmeister, perhaps you don't realize who I mean when I say "Islamist". Look up ISNA, CAIR, and MAS on Google. While you're at it, cross-reference "Muslim Brotherhood" with those search terms. That's just to start you off.

[philippe1985]

Islam is no threat to America compare to a financial collapse that a welfare-warfare state supported by both Democrat and Neocons would bring.

[lastnymleft]

You fail to grasp that this is not a campaign, but a movement. The Grassroots are working to get other "Ron Paul Republicans" elected, too. By Nov 2010, we'll have given him the Congress he needs to do everything. In the mean time, as C-i-C, he can pull our troops back, thus boosting the economy by one TRILLION dollars per annum, restore our civil liberties, and set us on the path to greatness by legalizing the Constitutional right to use gold and silver backed currencies for sound money.

[laviciousness]

I'm aware of the so-called "movement". But none of that means anything unless you can figure out a way to restore our economic independence. And you won't be able to do that until you can get us off our foreign oil dependence. Tell me, how are you gonna do that without either a massive government intervention into the economy or exposing the country to a critical economic shock?

[lastnymleft]

What's the hang-up about foreign oil dependence? Japan doesn't have it, and they get on just fine. Neither do lots of countries.

Noble prize winning economist estimated Gulf War II has (factoring in rehabilitation costs) cost 2 TRILLION dollar thus far. That buys a LOT of oil on the open market! Particularly at the $25/barrel it was at before the neocons went on their rampage. And winding back the Empire will save $1Trillion/annum, which again makes its way back into the economy under Dr Paul.

[laviciousness]

Eh? Japan *is* dependent of foreign oil! Unless something changed in Japan's geology, the Japanese don't have much of a domestic oil source. Advanced economies need oil to run, and it's going to stay that way until someone comes up with a practical energy alternative. In any event, oil demand from India and China will keep growing over the long term, and oil supplies aren't really going to increase much if at all. There's nothing RP can do about that.

[lastnymleft]

I agree 100%. I probably didn't word that very well. Japan NOT having energy/oil independence WAS my point. They get along just fine buying it from the free market. As would we, if we didn't go wasting all our money trying to steal it off others.

[laviciousness]

Just as Japan's economy works despite its oil dependence, so does ours. That's not my point. I'm saying that our dependence on oil keeps us from achieving the level of political independence that we should have. Don't you see that we'd be much better off if we didn't have to kowtow to corrupt Saudis and Mexicans to keep the supplies flowing into our country?

[lastnymleft]

Your mindset is the same kind that led to the 600,000 deaths in the civil war. As Dr Paul has said, why not have just bought the slaves and released them, thus avoiding a war costly in both blood and treasure?

There's plenty of oil on the free market. Just be prosperous, and buy it.

[laviciousness]

Hate to break it to you, but your loyalty to "Dr. Paul" does not make you a mindreader, and so you don't know enough about my "mindset" to lead you to any kind of conclusion like that. And yes, there's "plenty" of oil, but there's "plenty" demand as well. As more countries increase their buying power, there'll be "plenty less" oil to go around. This isn't a renewable resource we're talking about, and mere prosperity is no guarantee of supply.

[lastnymleft]

Trust the market! It's all powerful, and in the end will overcome. I'm all up on peak-oil, etc. But that doesn't justify stealing it from other countries, killing millions, and wasting TRILLIONS of dollars doing so. Imagine if 10% of that wasted money was spent on alternative energies? When those dollars are flowing around the economy, free enterprise WILL spend the money on research to go for the even bigger money that will flow from alternative energy investments.

[laviciousness]

No one here is advocating "stealing" of any sort. And yes, I agree that the market can make the proper adjustments if given time. Problem is that we can't spare the time necessary for the market to move on its own.

[laviciousness]

Cont...

Do you realize what oil producing countries, like Mexico and Saudi Arabia, have done with the oil leverage it has over us? Do you think it's an accident that our so-called leaders are afraid of implementing a real immigration enforcement policy and an America-centered foreign policy?

[laviciousness]

Cont...

The oil issue is beyond mere economics. It's a national security matter. Unless we start treating it like one, we'll remain a country whose politics are dependent on outsiders. Besides, the technologies already exists to make this all possible. It's just a matter of developing them. We need a Manhattan Project for energy independence.

[angelsoulnme]

Why is it that we are not using our OWN OIL reserves in Alaska? Google the NON Energy Crisis and find out why ...

[agentorange20]

angelsoulnme,

we should try to use it, however in the big scheme of things I don't think we can drill our way out of energy dependence as we'll still rely on our drug dealers (opec) to provide our supply. we need to push for energy independence.

[SatwaMan]

Dude, the oil reserves in Alaska would last about a month for the whole country. THERE IS FAR MORE OIL IN THE CANADIAN OIL SANDS than in the whole of Iraq, and it is actually cheaper for US ti import it than to drill in Alaska.

Look up 'Canadian Oil Sands'. There is a vast source of oil right there...we just need to make more non-polluting vehicles, and we are all set.

[elcheat]

A month, 50 years, same thing huh?

[angelsoulnme]

The estimates that I have read about are closer to 200 + years. With prices at 1.50 a gallon.

[laviciousness]

Problem is that Canada isn't interested in selling only to us. They're reaching out the the growing markets in China and India as well. And despite Canada's vast oil reserves, prices are still high for us. Imagine what'll happen when Indians and Chinese when the average family on either country uses as much gasoline as the average family here.

[philippe1985]

So you are proposing more government to solve... too much government? If Republicans really cared about energy dependence, they would leave Iraq immediately .

[laviciousness]

No, I'm saying that we need a proactive government solution to our foreign energy dependence that frees us from the shackles of our oil-based economy. If our government can build the bomb and put a man on the moon, then can can't we ask it to do this? Yeah I know, the market can provide if given time, yadayada...We don't have the luxury of time, and libertarians who think otherwise aren't aware of the reality of our situation.

[laviciousness]

No, I'm saying that we need a proactive government solution to our foreign energy dependence that frees us from the shackles of our oil-based economy. If our government can build the bomb and put a man on the moon, then can can't we ask it to do this? Yeah I know, the market can provide if given time, yadayada...We don't have the luxury of time, and libertarians who think otherwise aren't aware of the reality of our situation.

[shiftstart]

I must agree you are the next generation of congressman! Assuming there is a next generation with the way things are going today.

[sleuth51]

You Rock! Please run for Congress and then for the White House!

[shiftstart]

SA you need to increase your Radio sound bites. I enjoy them very much since I don't have access to your radio station.

[valaraj]

Awesome!  as per usual :)

[hillbillybeachboy]

Jack, you da greatest!

We need to syndacate your show on NPR.

[dewboy910]

You just made the case why Ron Paul is the ONLY choice for the good of America. Thank you!

GO RON PAUL! and GO RON PAUL SUPPORTERS!!!

[RedShirtArmy]

Great job, SA! Right on the money, once again. We're lucky to have you in the Palmetto State speaking out as you do.

[slavophile1]

Loved it.

[benjover]

Hello, there is a different choice and he goes by the name Ron Paul. You put him in your tags but you must not know much about him if your lumping him in with the rest of the republican candidates.

[conspiracy777]

He Promotes RP more than just about any other reporter .... maybe you should learn a little more about the SA.

[benjover]

Oh, my apologies, I've only viewed this video of his and it appeared that he was lumping Paul in with the rest of the Republicans.

[TheAtheistPaladin]

Welcome to the club. I been called a "liberal" for merely believing the war in Iraq was a misstake. Yet I support almost everything converative. Gee golly must ONLY the democrats support with drawing from Iraq?

[thejobloshow]

That painting of Hillary Clinton on the steak sort of turned me on. DON'T DO THAT AGAIN!

[killgreed]

Left wing, Right wing, It is still the same bird with a corporate agenda without you in mind.The bottom line. Were your parents? left.root for the home team. REVOLUTION

[bigken61]

Ron and Carol Paul are celebrating their 51st Wedding Anniversary on Feb 1st.

See what *real* family values are:

watch?v=WcuDazE1T_U

Then, sign their anniversary card!

paulfamilyvalues . com

please repost

[bigken61]

RPFTW

[judoskeleton]

The line between the two parties is very thin. Either way we lose. If any of the so called top candidates are elected the continued subversion of the constitution and individual liberty will escalate.

[greenback001]

southernavenger you have the excellent ability to sum up so many big ideas and ideals into simplistic and rhythmic verse. Without fail every time I listen to your views I feel more and more clear about what the solution should be - the Constitution!

[TehBANN3D]

Ron Paul will not be backed by Congress, and therefore will be unable to constitutionally do anything but withdraw troops (if even that).

[TrevorJNoyes]

Vote Ron Paul he is against most everything you are talking about.