Just remember that these experiments save millions of human lives. dont like it then go live in the fucking woods then, lets see if any monkeys/bears/lions/bugs/dogs/cats give a fuck about you.
Every asshole who does this needs to be made to watch this done to his/her kids, even forced to participate. While this is occurring they should be housed as they have housed the animals they tortured, no water. They will be told from the start that as soon as their last remaining loved one is dead that they will go through the process themselves. This should be done to everyone and their family members who profit from this also. Exterminate the people doing this and their offspring.
what were the heads surgically put on? its a monkey head on a...cat body? whatever it is its just terrible i dont know whats wrong with scientists, do they think its a just thing simply becuz its not them? horrible and tragic thing to do to an innocent animal
I'm a big fan of the fact that every product sold to people, has at some point been tested on animals. If you have any products that say on them "We do not test on animals," it's a bit of a lie. While it is true that the company that sells the product does not test it on animals, they have to outsource it to another company who does.
Drugs known to damage the human foetus are found to be safe in 70% of cases when tried on primates. Developmental Toxicology: Mechanisms and Risk, p313, McLachlan, Pratt, and Markert (Eds).
I say we simply use those people who strongly oppose testing on animals as our test subjects. Too bad they don't ~love animals~ enough to put themselves in the laboratories instead and ~save all those innocent critters~.
@jozsefkacsa Damn right they are. They funnel money to the Animal Liberation Front, Peta promotes extremist animal rights activism...and even though PETA openly protest the usage of animal products, their leader uses pig insulin.
Do you know how many death row inmates have been shown to be innocent after they have been convicted? Do you know how many previous generations of your family were protected by medicines and techniques perfected on animals? Maybe we should just test on the poor people? Maybe lure them in with some money?
Do you know how many animals are innocent and NEED to be in their natural habitat with no suffering and torment?
ALL OF THEM.
Did you know that animals reactions to medicine, in most cases, is completely different than ours? Did you know there has been so many deaths and so many fatal side effects inflicted upon us because the drug were passed as safe? "Maybe we should test on the poor people?" Maybe your a twat.
@IrreverentFool According to the US FDA 92% of new drugs fail in clinical trials, after they have passed all the safety tests in animals. US FDA (2004) "Innovation or Stagnation, Challenge and Opportunity on the Critical Path to new Medical Products"
@Dragonmanxx5 Hahaha, you're just another bleeding heart who ASSumes they haven't personally received the benefits of such research. Yes, lap that up idiot!
Did you NEVER take ANY medication in your entire life? Say a big thank you to this kind of research that made sure that your medication was safe douchebag!
@gbh903 No actually you have no true statement to back up what i said.
Proving my point, that you are one those people you claim not to be. Easy controled mind, easy controled person. Now go clean my nut out ur moms pussy.
@Dragonmanxx5 Wow, the retarded troll in you is strong. Anyway, back to the subject at hand. I don't care how many chimps, rabbits or any other animals that scientist carry out testing on, it is for a greater good.
@Dragonmanxx5 Hahaha, you need to take some blood pressure medicine. At least you can relax in the knowledge that it was tested on animals to ensure that it is safe for humans to ingest. LOL!
@Dragonmanxx5 Okay, Mr. Trolly Trollmeister....I still think it's great that we have animals to test medication on prior to human consumption...let's not forget the area of trying out surgical procedures on animals. It's all good, chill out dude!
@Dragonmanxx5 Okay, Dragonboy...lol at the "gay" reference. I know that animal testing is important work. You have done zero to make anyone think otherwise. Your insistence on swearing and "beating ass" only makes you look more stupid if that is humanly possible, hahaha.
@Dragonmanxx5 Your spelling and grammar illustrate what a complete moron you are. It is clear to me that you are around 13 years of age. Seriously, turn off the computer and pay more attention at school in class, people may take you a little more seriously if you don't come across as a complete idiot each time you put finger to keyboard.
@gbh903 none of it is good as it is not possible to reliably base human medicine on animals..."I have seen surgeons who carried out experiments on some organs from dogs in the belief that these were identical with those of humans, and they did not know they were cutting into a quite different organ, even into a lymphatic gland instead of the thyroid gland. Nobody has become a surgeon because of having operated on animals...." cont.
@gbh903 "...He has only learnt wrongly through animals. I have been able to see this over my many decades as a surgeon, also as a Director of Hospitals. I have carried out tens of thousands of operations on people without ever performing them first on an animal."
(Prof. Sr Salvatore Rocca Rossetti, Surgeon and Professor of Urology at the University of Turin, Italy, in the science programme Delta on Italian television, March 12 1986.)
@gbh903 "It is readily granted that a fracture and a burn on a dog are not the same as on a human."
(Doctors Harvey S. Allen, John L. Bell and Sherman W. Day, Surgery, Gynecology and Obstetrics, Vol. 97, (Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.), November 1953, page 541.)
"Dog skin is totally unlike human skin: it does not blister after such treatment as burning, but becomes edematous."
@gbh903 medicines...According to the US FDA 92% of new drugs fail in clinical trials, after they have passed all the safety tests in animals. US FDA (2004) "Innovation or Stagnation, Challenge and Opportunity on the Critical Path to new Medical Products"
Feel free to not ever take any medicine or have any medical procedure carried out on yourself that could have ever involved any kind of animal experimentation if it makes you happy. I will take whatever medical assistance I feel may be beneficial for my health. Happy now?
@gbh903 I understand that aniaml experiments are nearly always used, just making the point that it is not the animal experiment that makes a drug/procedure safe or effective though.
@humanmedforhumans I would hardly say you are "making a point" simply by cutting and pasting a couple of scraps of info dating back to 1953 and 1986...No problem, please feel free to express your opinion but don't automatically expect it to be taken as fact.
@humanmedforhumans If what you say is true then obviously testing on animals is no longer carried out...or are "the US FDA and eminent doctors" you mention toothless tigers?
@gbh903 The US FDA is not toothless but is very much influenced by pharmaceutical co's, a revolving door between jobs there and in big drug co's. One may be surprised to see how much power drug co's and the disease business has, donations to political parties, universities, media advertising and indirect ownership etc. Very hard to get the truth out against these guys
@humanmedforhumans You said the US FDA are trying to make a point, I asked, "are they a toothless tiger?" You tell me they are not...but then continue on with saying they can't act on what they want to due to the power of the pharmaceutical companies, sorry...I'm not buying that.
@gbh903 I am saying that they are very influenced/controlled by drug companies as are government. You may want to look into the Rockefeller organisation and its connections here.
@humanmedforhumans I have no complaint with the current state of animal testing. You may feel the need for more research but I am not going to waste my time. As I said earlier, if you feel the need to not accept the benefits of this research please don't take medicine or accept medical treatment, then we're all happy.
@gbh903 After being involved with the issue for many years I am convinced that there are no benefits and that we would certainly benefit from the elimination of vivisection. I understand how people have come to the opposite view though, a great deal of effort and money to convince them that it works. for an eg of this google 'ajudem nos singer rockefeller ruesch vivisection". all the best
@gbh903 Strychnine, cyanide, arsenic, botulin, asbestos, HIV infected blood, DDT, benzene, cigarettes all PASS animal tests. lemon juice, olive oil, chocolate, digitalis, penicillin etc FAIL animal 'tests'. Needless to say we have not benefitted from them Big companies whose products would not pass a valid test have benefitted. If you have a particular eg of a benefit please tell me. curedisease. net
How can you say its cruel and pointless when you never said what it was for anyway. For all I know whatever happened may have saved the lives of these animals. But I don't know what happened because you neglected to say. Moron.
With so many hideous and vicious humans filling our prison system. It seems illogical to torture and use these innocent creatures for science. Esp when many of the test for medicatons are inconclusive because they have to be retested on humans anyway. If someone has made the choice to viciously kill, rape of torture another human. And they are going to rot in prison while we flip the bill. I say spare that innocent, and use the real animals to torture.
I'm all in favor of using death row inmates and serial rapists. Sure some people will arge and say it's not humane. What's so humane about doing this on innocent animals?
@PinkPunkyKat cause they dont have the capacity to think intelligently like humans, although they have feelings and such. They are not smarter, so they are worth less than human.
The way I see it, if we're going to exeucte death row inmates, why not experiment on them? I'd much rather a man that axed up a family of five be experimented on than a poor animal that was raised in a cage that did not ask for punishment.
I applaud your devotion, and I do agree that the testing done in this video was unethical and completely uncalled for. I believe that to treat an animal like something less than what it is: a living being, is disgusting. But to test something like a vaccaine for cancer or AIDS on an animal I view as morally acceptable because it would be for the betterment of humanity. I am by no means for the unethical testing of animals, but I do acknowledge that a person is more important than an animal.
How the hell do you know it was for beauty products?? In this day and age I would be very sure that animals heads are not cut open for the sake of lipstick.
Found it, at covance. Did you see the person hit the monkey? Could it have been the camera man? When the monkey tries to bite him the camera shakes as if he jumps back just as the arm moves back.
Yeah I saw it, and I don't think it was the camera man, it looked like one of the scientists and it tried to bite him a split second later, so we see him jump back.
And I don't like PETA either, they killed 95% of their adoptable pets in their care in 2008. Kinda hypocritical. I know that with all pets sometimes you have to euthenize them if you cannot find them a home, but 95% is way too steep.
What you said is true, but the experiment is just as bad. You see...it isn't for anything for use to humans. I looked into marmoset experiment once. They removed amounts of the creatures brains then sewed it back up to see the reaction. This is just as bad...
And I am sure removing parts of brains of marmosets has some medical use. Removing this part and the monkey loses key functions etc. But again I have no idea what happened as Ive only your mail to go on.
why use animal as experiment ^^ go use your self you fucking asshole ^^ shitttt if i only have a license to kill ^^ i will kill the scientist firt ^^ puta
That's what I was wondering. I mean, if they were testing mouthwash or lipstick I'd have to agree and be rather upset.
But if it is a cancer vaccine or the cure for AIDS, I can't say I'd be all that bothered. Yes, I'd feel bad for the monkey, but I feel much worse for millions of suffering and dying human beings.
I agree with you BearBoi69. If the test was for the betterment of mankind, such as a vaccine then it is'nt such a travesty. I'd rather test something on an animal that could help people and have the animal die then test it on a human and have the human die.
I really don't think living a few more days is really worth torturing the countless legions of animals this way. I mean, most people believe in a religion, most religions teach there is an after life that's better than this one. So, what is everybody being so hypocritical about?
this is awful.... I really dont know why scientists use these poor animals, why dont they test on prisionars in JAIL who have the death sentence? like there going to die anyways, might as well use them instead of these poor animals who didnt do anything wrong...
I hate companies who test on animals, there fucking sickening.
how so? how is a humans life worth more then an animal?
just to let you know, we are also animals to. Some monkeys have been taught basic sign language (one male ape was taught it) and he was able to communicate with people. Just because we are the smartest species dosent mean are lives are worth more then theres.
sure we have families, children and jobs but so do animals, they may not be a part of "society" but they have to provide for there families dont they? monkeys grow bonds too.
good point, I would most likely jump at saving the stranger, I guess animals tend to favor there own species!! (we really do) its not that there lives are worth more or less its that people tend to feel more compasion and feelings twoards people.
Things usually dont. I'm vestigial, you are, and so are 99% of youtubers. But that doesnt mean I _like_ it. Its just how it is. Humans suck, but what are ya gonna do? Kill yourself? That's just silly. I just happen to be able to admit it, most people cant seem to wait to bring more people into this already pain-wracked world. I think fewer people should be forced to be subjected to the cruelties that random chance can inflict upon lfie forms.
And then we go down the road of saying, well testing on some prisoners is ok. No way, its never ok. Im not answering the question as its way too loaded.
@BobCassidy NOTHING wrong with testing on prisoners. Nothing at all. We pay a lot of money to keep them locked up. Why not put their worthless bodies to use.
much better: why don't put the worthless experimenters to use? Their cruel abusive minds must hide lots of "secrets" we could use to understand and punish killers!!!!
when was the last time anybody saw any animals no matter what walking round wearing makeup, smoking or anything that so called humans do, why not do test on the bastards that dothem.
using animals in research is wrong for the fact that their dna is diff to ours, even in monkeys be it a small amount of difference, any testing labs by mine, id bomb them to fuck
It is very simple people. Rather than test these toxins and chemicals and hairsprays and "beauty" supplies- causing unbelievable torture to these precious animals.here's a brilliant idea: don't use the chemicals at all. Go natural. Who say's we need all these products?There are natural alternatives for every one of these disease causing substances. Do everything within your power to stop this sick treatment of God's creation. Stand up for the innocent. We should fight for the full close down.
EXACTLY! Even if tests are necissary, he have artificial intelligence, computers, mannequins...several things we could use instead of innocent animals.
I can't wait to hear what this new big word you learned is.
I have a bachelor of science degree in cellular/molecular biology and I'm going to veterinary medicine school next year, and you're telling me I'm not intelligent?? I work as a primate caretaker, volunteer every week at my local humane society, and have 3 dogs, man, I must really HATE animals!
You do, you just select which ones you feel can be abused.
So you are intelligent, but you find fake sugar ok. Please, impress me. Tell me why fake sugar is dangerous and the scam that its on the markets. It is public information.
no animal should be abused!!!!!!!!!!! are you saying that they pick the abusable animals to partake in these cruel tests?????? if what u said is anywhere close to that, you can go fucking die.
You have one medical journal and its at your job? What job is this? And you can't even list any other methods from memory, you have to wait to read them to me? Obviously you aren't very educated on this topic and haven't done your research.
Yes, just one medical journal at my job where I was reading it. My co worker was reading it so I'm annoyed I can't locate it, NOT that it would go upon deaf ears.
Gee, I can't even list the long word I read once for the first time, gee I guess I have not done my research.
I am educated on people who are very pathetic like you, that don't care about animals n feel testing should be done, needed or not cause they are just dumb animals. I could find pigs n elephants more intelligent n moral.
What are these "SOOOOO many other methods" you speak of? Yes we can grow live skin tissue cultues in petri dishes to replace dermal studies on rabbits and pigs. But we have yet to develop a model or technique to replace the amount of information testing on a living organism gives us.
I will get the medical journal i have. Its at my job so Iwill tell you tomorrow. But there are many break through methods that are reliable and not effective as they are on animals.
So please dont say "we have yet to develop a model or technigue"
Actually there are laws that require experiments to be done on animals. The FDA requires that new drugs be tested on animals before being tested on humans to gain market approval.
It's really sad and dangerous. 92%of all aniaml testing is not effective. It could be safe for teh animal and dangerous for us. the stuff could work onthe animal and not on us.
There are SOOOO many other methods to testing things that are soo much more effective.
The FDA and the USDA are a bunch of criminals. 15,000 animals died from being tested with fake sugar - Example: splenda, sweet N low. yet somehow these products made their way to our counter.... like I said criminals.
So if 92% of all animal testing is not effective, isn't it a good thing we tested on animals rather than on humans first? The whole point of doing toxicology studies on animals is to find the concentration acceptable for human consumption. Do you consume Splenda and Sweet N Low? Who is the real criminal, inventor of consumer? More animals die each year due to automobiles rather than animal research. So maybe you should start protesting vehicular transportation before animal research.
Are you sure? Suclarose is in more than 3,500 products and the majority of them do not even list it as an ingredient. The FDA did NOT find suclarose to be a carcinogen, at any concentration. However, studies have shown that saccharin may have potential to cause cancer.
I'm not going to argue numbers with you, considering you probably pull your statistics out of your ass or from the PETA website, which is just as foul.
What is your point? You are a hypocrite because you don't want scientistists to do medical research on animals but you'll take the medication developed by the research to save your own life?
sorry to say but why dont people do something and you bitch about science...well science invented most of our technology but i am not 1 sideding i am staying nutrul thumb me down if u like but tht aint gunna change my mind well done for showing what happends but people should do somthing more than just bitch on youtube no offence
i highly doubt that the scientists and veterinarians who work in these animal testing labs are "sadistic and inhuman." there are strict government laws which regulate the use of animals in labs. the majority of animals used in labs are for medical research and the development of drug therapies. a scientist who uses animal research to develop a cure for cancer, AIDS, diabetes, or any other disease is hardly "inhuman."
The number animals lives sacrificed for research is far less than the number of lives saved due to the research. And animal research saves both humans AND pets. Research animals are not allowed to suffer. In-fact, they probably get better medical attention than yourself or even the average pet. No lab would ever get away with allowing their animals to suffer with all the laws there are today.
I have to think that you HAVE NOT viewed the YouTube videos ....! Would you be able to sit in a chair all day while you get no food/water unless you did the "correct" thing?
while your head is held in place by a painful screw? while your head is cut open and painful disinfectant is placed in/on the open wounds? while you can't move or get help or pain killers? or anyone to understand your pleas for help? while you can only blink your eyes? tears? cry? hurt? fear? death?
you are an IDIOT! you want innocent animals to DIE for you fucking science? screw you! if you where being crammed into a tube half your size i don't think you would like it! if you had to have tubes stabbed into your nose i bet you wouldn't like it! so shut the fuck up about science, because there is no point to make animals suffer!
Unless the specifics to the experiment are known, one cannot say it is cruel in pointless.
We owe much of our medical advancement thanks to the use of animals.
LyleVertigo 1 month ago
Just remember that these experiments save millions of human lives. dont like it then go live in the fucking woods then, lets see if any monkeys/bears/lions/bugs/dogs/cats give a fuck about you.
0voZ 3 months ago
@0voZ Amen. The first sane person I've found on these videos
craftbrosify 3 months ago
Look at the negative fucking comments on all these videos.
johnmichaelgordon 4 months ago
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Every asshole who does this needs to be made to watch this done to his/her kids, even forced to participate. While this is occurring they should be housed as they have housed the animals they tortured, no water. They will be told from the start that as soon as their last remaining loved one is dead that they will go through the process themselves. This should be done to everyone and their family members who profit from this also. Exterminate the people doing this and their offspring.
theraviolicat 6 months ago
what were the heads surgically put on? its a monkey head on a...cat body? whatever it is its just terrible i dont know whats wrong with scientists, do they think its a just thing simply becuz its not them? horrible and tragic thing to do to an innocent animal
PerPear 7 months ago
of course its cruel, rather this on monkeys than on humans
norwegianHenrik 9 months ago
people.. then stop going to the hospital, stop consuming medicine and etc.
and dont say anything about cure for cancer or aids and etc.
00dlsgur 9 months ago
So upsetting...scientist should be punished for this ...shame,shame
fudnwabit 9 months ago
I'm a big fan of the fact that every product sold to people, has at some point been tested on animals. If you have any products that say on them "We do not test on animals," it's a bit of a lie. While it is true that the company that sells the product does not test it on animals, they have to outsource it to another company who does.
okoro14534 11 months ago
Drugs known to damage the human foetus are found to be safe in 70% of cases when tried on primates. Developmental Toxicology: Mechanisms and Risk, p313, McLachlan, Pratt, and Markert (Eds).
noratmedicine 11 months ago
I say we simply use those people who strongly oppose testing on animals as our test subjects. Too bad they don't ~love animals~ enough to put themselves in the laboratories instead and ~save all those innocent critters~.
Nibenay3000 1 year ago 3
@Nibenay3000 - My thoughts exactly!
theer1ca 1 year ago
Pointless? What was the experiment exactly? And what data was gathered?
lordpoee 1 year ago
rofl
theov3rmind 1 year ago
@theov3rmind rofl?
dirtybase91 1 year ago
Everyone please watch "Penn and Teller PETA Bullshit"Peta is a terrorist Organization
jozsefkacsa 1 year ago
@jozsefkacsa Damn right they are. They funnel money to the Animal Liberation Front, Peta promotes extremist animal rights activism...and even though PETA openly protest the usage of animal products, their leader uses pig insulin.
lordpoee 1 year ago
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baklvon 1 year ago
NO! how could anyone do this?
xbegx1 1 year ago
why do they do this! they did not do nothing bad to us!
alenmadness 1 year ago
LOL those things are so stupid.
kingcrimson234 1 year ago
Yo no kreo ke por hacer tanto daño a los animales la ciencia avance.Solo avanza la maldad de otros.
Chiaotz 1 year ago
Do you know how many death row inmates have been shown to be innocent after they have been convicted? Do you know how many previous generations of your family were protected by medicines and techniques perfected on animals? Maybe we should just test on the poor people? Maybe lure them in with some money?
IrreverentFool 1 year ago
@IrreverentFool
Do you know how many animals are innocent and NEED to be in their natural habitat with no suffering and torment?
ALL OF THEM.
Did you know that animals reactions to medicine, in most cases, is completely different than ours? Did you know there has been so many deaths and so many fatal side effects inflicted upon us because the drug were passed as safe? "Maybe we should test on the poor people?" Maybe your a twat.
bikerhustler 1 year ago
@IrreverentFool According to the US FDA 92% of new drugs fail in clinical trials, after they have passed all the safety tests in animals. US FDA (2004) "Innovation or Stagnation, Challenge and Opportunity on the Critical Path to new Medical Products"
curedisease. net
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
Pointless? so you think scientists do this for what purpose, fun?
Nothing more than knee jerk response to serious research that ensures human safety.
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 Ya, and fools like you lap that right up.
Dragonmanxx5 1 year ago
@Dragonmanxx5 Hahaha, you're just another bleeding heart who ASSumes they haven't personally received the benefits of such research. Yes, lap that up idiot!
Did you NEVER take ANY medication in your entire life? Say a big thank you to this kind of research that made sure that your medication was safe douchebag!
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 Ah typical, long response to counteract my short one. The hypocrite trys to justify itself.
Actually im proud to say, i never take medications. Never took any shots, never took medicine when sick.
I fell if my body isnt strong enough to fight it off, then I deserve to die.
Working out, and eating right fight off most things.
Your body becomes weak and learns to rely on medicines every time u get sick. I wont be taking them any time soon.
Dragonmanxx5 1 year ago
@Dragonmanxx5 I can see that you are borderline retarded so I will leave you to your fantasy world. Enjoy!
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 No actually you have no true statement to back up what i said.
Proving my point, that you are one those people you claim not to be. Easy controled mind, easy controled person. Now go clean my nut out ur moms pussy.
Dragonmanxx5 1 year ago
@Dragonmanxx5 Wow, the retarded troll in you is strong. Anyway, back to the subject at hand. I don't care how many chimps, rabbits or any other animals that scientist carry out testing on, it is for a greater good.
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 Dont use that internet language bull shit on me bitch.
Im stating a point, while your just another fucking idiot. Of course you dont, your just another controlled pawn owned by the goverment.
You are goverment property, piece of shit.
Dragonmanxx5 1 year ago
@Dragonmanxx5 Hahaha, you need to take some blood pressure medicine. At least you can relax in the knowledge that it was tested on animals to ensure that it is safe for humans to ingest. LOL!
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 No thx i dont take medicine. Not a weakling fat fuck who relies on them like you.
Dragonmanxx5 1 year ago
@Dragonmanxx5 Okay, Mr. Trolly Trollmeister....I still think it's great that we have animals to test medication on prior to human consumption...let's not forget the area of trying out surgical procedures on animals. It's all good, chill out dude!
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 Wow that was the gayest shit I ever heard in my life.
You must be fucking 10 year old.
Some one should beat your ass just for saying that.
Dragonmanxx5 1 year ago
@Dragonmanxx5 Okay, Dragonboy...lol at the "gay" reference. I know that animal testing is important work. You have done zero to make anyone think otherwise. Your insistence on swearing and "beating ass" only makes you look more stupid if that is humanly possible, hahaha.
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 Man* and no. I just told you that your a pawn, another gay ass "i believe in anything the goverment tells me" type people.
Go suck some dick, im done with you.
Most you will ever accomplish in life is getting the last words over youtube hahahahahahahahahahahhhahaha pathetic
Dragonmanxx5 1 year ago
@Dragonmanxx5 Your spelling and grammar illustrate what a complete moron you are. It is clear to me that you are around 13 years of age. Seriously, turn off the computer and pay more attention at school in class, people may take you a little more seriously if you don't come across as a complete idiot each time you put finger to keyboard.
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 none of it is good as it is not possible to reliably base human medicine on animals..."I have seen surgeons who carried out experiments on some organs from dogs in the belief that these were identical with those of humans, and they did not know they were cutting into a quite different organ, even into a lymphatic gland instead of the thyroid gland. Nobody has become a surgeon because of having operated on animals...." cont.
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
@gbh903 "...He has only learnt wrongly through animals. I have been able to see this over my many decades as a surgeon, also as a Director of Hospitals. I have carried out tens of thousands of operations on people without ever performing them first on an animal."
(Prof. Sr Salvatore Rocca Rossetti, Surgeon and Professor of Urology at the University of Turin, Italy, in the science programme Delta on Italian television, March 12 1986.)
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
@gbh903 "It is readily granted that a fracture and a burn on a dog are not the same as on a human."
(Doctors Harvey S. Allen, John L. Bell and Sherman W. Day, Surgery, Gynecology and Obstetrics, Vol. 97, (Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.), November 1953, page 541.)
"Dog skin is totally unlike human skin: it does not blister after such treatment as burning, but becomes edematous."
(Experimental Surgery, (3rd ed.), Bailliere, Tindall and Cox Ltd, 1954, page 497.)
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
@gbh903 medicines...According to the US FDA 92% of new drugs fail in clinical trials, after they have passed all the safety tests in animals. US FDA (2004) "Innovation or Stagnation, Challenge and Opportunity on the Critical Path to new Medical Products"
curedisease. net
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
@humanmedforhumans
Feel free to not ever take any medicine or have any medical procedure carried out on yourself that could have ever involved any kind of animal experimentation if it makes you happy. I will take whatever medical assistance I feel may be beneficial for my health. Happy now?
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 I understand that aniaml experiments are nearly always used, just making the point that it is not the animal experiment that makes a drug/procedure safe or effective though.
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
@humanmedforhumans I would hardly say you are "making a point" simply by cutting and pasting a couple of scraps of info dating back to 1953 and 1986...No problem, please feel free to express your opinion but don't automatically expect it to be taken as fact.
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 True I am not making a point. The US FDA and eminent doctors are though
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
@humanmedforhumans If what you say is true then obviously testing on animals is no longer carried out...or are "the US FDA and eminent doctors" you mention toothless tigers?
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 The US FDA is not toothless but is very much influenced by pharmaceutical co's, a revolving door between jobs there and in big drug co's. One may be surprised to see how much power drug co's and the disease business has, donations to political parties, universities, media advertising and indirect ownership etc. Very hard to get the truth out against these guys
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
@humanmedforhumans You said the US FDA are trying to make a point, I asked, "are they a toothless tiger?" You tell me they are not...but then continue on with saying they can't act on what they want to due to the power of the pharmaceutical companies, sorry...I'm not buying that.
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 I am saying that they are very influenced/controlled by drug companies as are government. You may want to look into the Rockefeller organisation and its connections here.
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
@humanmedforhumans I have no complaint with the current state of animal testing. You may feel the need for more research but I am not going to waste my time. As I said earlier, if you feel the need to not accept the benefits of this research please don't take medicine or accept medical treatment, then we're all happy.
gbh903 1 year ago
@gbh903 After being involved with the issue for many years I am convinced that there are no benefits and that we would certainly benefit from the elimination of vivisection. I understand how people have come to the opposite view though, a great deal of effort and money to convince them that it works. for an eg of this google 'ajudem nos singer rockefeller ruesch vivisection". all the best
humanmedforhumans 1 year ago
@gbh903 Strychnine, cyanide, arsenic, botulin, asbestos, HIV infected blood, DDT, benzene, cigarettes all PASS animal tests. lemon juice, olive oil, chocolate, digitalis, penicillin etc FAIL animal 'tests'. Needless to say we have not benefitted from them Big companies whose products would not pass a valid test have benefitted. If you have a particular eg of a benefit please tell me. curedisease. net
noratmedicine 1 year ago
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@noratmedicine A look at your name tells me you have already made up your mind and any attempt to enlighten you will be a futile waste of my time.
gbh903 1 year ago
Stupid Humans.
AlphaStatus90 1 year ago
How can you say its cruel and pointless when you never said what it was for anyway. For all I know whatever happened may have saved the lives of these animals. But I don't know what happened because you neglected to say. Moron.
sgt1max1fightmaster 1 year ago
With so many hideous and vicious humans filling our prison system. It seems illogical to torture and use these innocent creatures for science. Esp when many of the test for medicatons are inconclusive because they have to be retested on humans anyway. If someone has made the choice to viciously kill, rape of torture another human. And they are going to rot in prison while we flip the bill. I say spare that innocent, and use the real animals to torture.
riddleriddle1 2 years ago 25
I'm all in favor of using death row inmates and serial rapists. Sure some people will arge and say it's not humane. What's so humane about doing this on innocent animals?
PinkPunkyKat 1 year ago 34
@PinkPunkyKat cause they dont have the capacity to think intelligently like humans, although they have feelings and such. They are not smarter, so they are worth less than human.
ltzul2vi7l 10 months ago
@PinkPunkyKat Yay there we go! Plus, the true psychotics will literally enjoy it anyway.
hollybee43 9 months ago
@PinkPunkyKat innocent animals? so, is it ok doing that experiments on guilty animals?
kureselisinis 8 months ago
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@riddleriddle1 are you fucking joking or are you a descendant of Hitler?
0voZ 3 months ago
the marmosets brains are not similar to humans. These barbaric acts had given us NOTHING to benefit from!
powaniki 2 years ago 2
The way I see it, if we're going to exeucte death row inmates, why not experiment on them? I'd much rather a man that axed up a family of five be experimented on than a poor animal that was raised in a cage that did not ask for punishment.
TheCarnalCast 2 years ago
agree 100%
powaniki 1 year ago
I applaud your devotion, and I do agree that the testing done in this video was unethical and completely uncalled for. I believe that to treat an animal like something less than what it is: a living being, is disgusting. But to test something like a vaccaine for cancer or AIDS on an animal I view as morally acceptable because it would be for the betterment of humanity. I am by no means for the unethical testing of animals, but I do acknowledge that a person is more important than an animal.
ahlegro 2 years ago
And how do you know what the testing was for? It could well have been a vaccine for what you mentioned.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
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ahlegro 2 years ago
How the hell do you know it was for beauty products?? In this day and age I would be very sure that animals heads are not cut open for the sake of lipstick.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
@BobCassidy Sorry I thought this was a different video. Yes yes my fault, an amatuerish mistake. My bad. I will humbly step down.
ahlegro 2 years ago
No worries. SO what video were you talking about?
BobCassidy 2 years ago
@BobCassidy The " Behind the Walls at Convalence"
ahlegro 2 years ago
Found it, at covance. Did you see the person hit the monkey? Could it have been the camera man? When the monkey tries to bite him the camera shakes as if he jumps back just as the arm moves back.
Backed by PETA too. Hate that crowd.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
Yeah I saw it, and I don't think it was the camera man, it looked like one of the scientists and it tried to bite him a split second later, so we see him jump back.
And I don't like PETA either, they killed 95% of their adoptable pets in their care in 2008. Kinda hypocritical. I know that with all pets sometimes you have to euthenize them if you cannot find them a home, but 95% is way too steep.
Oh and my mistake, its Covance, I misspelled it.
ahlegro 2 years ago
What you said is true, but the experiment is just as bad. You see...it isn't for anything for use to humans. I looked into marmoset experiment once. They removed amounts of the creatures brains then sewed it back up to see the reaction. This is just as bad...
axelischexy 2 years ago
How do you know what the experiments are for?
And I am sure removing parts of brains of marmosets has some medical use. Removing this part and the monkey loses key functions etc. But again I have no idea what happened as Ive only your mail to go on.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
Like I said, I've looked this stuff up. You can if you like...and the experiments had no medical use at all. It was just 'scientists' having fun.
axelischexy 2 years ago
Like you said, exactly. You just say and offer nothing.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
where exatcly can i find more info, becuz im writing a piece on animal testing for my rhetoric class
lito2209 2 years ago
Well, I suggest going to Wikipedia.
axelischexy 2 years ago
why use animal as experiment ^^ go use your self you fucking asshole ^^ shitttt if i only have a license to kill ^^ i will kill the scientist firt ^^ puta
mordicai111 2 years ago
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and that make you like them. Congratulations. you're not better than anyone.
N0th1nGZ 2 years ago
WTF
MaxxDiver 2 years ago
They never said what the experiment WAS
Retard video poster. Provide more information you jackass.
oogaboogan 2 years ago
That's what I was wondering. I mean, if they were testing mouthwash or lipstick I'd have to agree and be rather upset.
But if it is a cancer vaccine or the cure for AIDS, I can't say I'd be all that bothered. Yes, I'd feel bad for the monkey, but I feel much worse for millions of suffering and dying human beings.
BearBoi69 2 years ago
cant you see his head was sewn?!
FNO108 2 years ago
I agree with you BearBoi69. If the test was for the betterment of mankind, such as a vaccine then it is'nt such a travesty. I'd rather test something on an animal that could help people and have the animal die then test it on a human and have the human die.
ahlegro 2 years ago
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see safermedicines (dot) org for why animal testing just doesn't work.
AnimalRightsCamb 2 years ago
safermedicines (dot) org for why animal testing is killing people to.
AnimalRightsCamb 2 years ago
Do they ever do experiments on poop?
dumbutt3000 2 years ago
I really don't think living a few more days is really worth torturing the countless legions of animals this way. I mean, most people believe in a religion, most religions teach there is an after life that's better than this one. So, what is everybody being so hypocritical about?
XB70Playboy 2 years ago
Quelle horreur!!Comment peut on laisser faire ca c est degueulasse!J ai honte de faire partie de la race humaine quand je vois ca!
loveanimals5 2 years ago
this is awful.... I really dont know why scientists use these poor animals, why dont they test on prisionars in JAIL who have the death sentence? like there going to die anyways, might as well use them instead of these poor animals who didnt do anything wrong...
I hate companies who test on animals, there fucking sickening.
stepAKApets 2 years ago
Sickening? You advocate experimenting on prisoners! Nutter.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
only the ones who have killed other people, if they killed someone they should die with a cruel fate also.
testing on animals is wrong, they didnt do anything while prisionars who have killed many people should be the ones in that position.
its just my thought but everyone has there own opinion.
stepAKApets 2 years ago
That it is. Only a thought, but its a bit warped to be honest.
Testing on animals has saved millions of lives. Any human life is worth more than any monkey`s life.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
how so? how is a humans life worth more then an animal?
just to let you know, we are also animals to. Some monkeys have been taught basic sign language (one male ape was taught it) and he was able to communicate with people. Just because we are the smartest species dosent mean are lives are worth more then theres.
sure we have families, children and jobs but so do animals, they may not be a part of "society" but they have to provide for there families dont they? monkeys grow bonds too.
stepAKApets 2 years ago
If i was a monkey I would probably put monkeys lives first, but I tend to believe that a human life is worth more than a monkeys.
Who would you save first? a complete stranger or the family dog?
BobCassidy 2 years ago
good point, I would most likely jump at saving the stranger, I guess animals tend to favor there own species!! (we really do) its not that there lives are worth more or less its that people tend to feel more compasion and feelings twoards people.
good point.
stepAKApets 2 years ago
The family dog. No question. A complete stranger denotes he's a human and there need to be less humans in this world.
oogaboogan 2 years ago
If thats your thinking why not shoot yourself?
BobCassidy 2 years ago
Because I don't want to die.
Things usually dont. I'm vestigial, you are, and so are 99% of youtubers. But that doesnt mean I _like_ it. Its just how it is. Humans suck, but what are ya gonna do? Kill yourself? That's just silly. I just happen to be able to admit it, most people cant seem to wait to bring more people into this already pain-wracked world. I think fewer people should be forced to be subjected to the cruelties that random chance can inflict upon lfie forms.
oogaboogan 2 years ago
Go save the dog then.
Be able to admit what? THere are too many humans? If there were too many then the world wouldnt be able to support us.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
"If there were too many then the world wouldnt be able to support us."
Yep. Youre saying it like it's not already happening, that's weird. I wonder why you did that.
oogaboogan 2 years ago
Not really.
Humans suck. Animals are much better for this planet than the human animal. (Make no mistake - we are animals).
oogaboogan 2 years ago
How and why?
BobCassidy 2 years ago
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NukeA6 2 years ago
Forget what I said.
NukeA6 2 years ago
What a extreme position. Was Hitler's life worth more then a monkeys life?
AnimalRightsCamb 2 years ago
And then we go down the road of saying, well testing on some prisoners is ok. No way, its never ok. Im not answering the question as its way too loaded.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
No the fact is its not OK to test on human or non-humans. Clearly non-human animals are not lesser than all humans, whatever 'lesser' actually means.
AnimalRightsCamb 2 years ago
I believe humans have more value than any animal. If testing on animals helps us, then test away.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
@BobCassidy NOTHING wrong with testing on prisoners. Nothing at all. We pay a lot of money to keep them locked up. Why not put their worthless bodies to use.
TheCarnalCast 2 years ago 2
much better: why don't put the worthless experimenters to use? Their cruel abusive minds must hide lots of "secrets" we could use to understand and punish killers!!!!
powaniki 2 years ago
OMG = This is sick. What is the benefit? really, what goodcame out of this horrible sick, barberick erperiment. Come on - lets here the answer
ahawkr13 2 years ago 2
when was the last time anybody saw any animals no matter what walking round wearing makeup, smoking or anything that so called humans do, why not do test on the bastards that dothem.
yadadabooo 2 years ago
using animals in research is wrong for the fact that their dna is diff to ours, even in monkeys be it a small amount of difference, any testing labs by mine, id bomb them to fuck
Necrothorn666 2 years ago
marcos062 that comment i posted was going to your ass.and i have a question,what if that was your ass?well i might be happy if it was you.
lionheartibb 3 years ago
It is very simple people. Rather than test these toxins and chemicals and hairsprays and "beauty" supplies- causing unbelievable torture to these precious animals.here's a brilliant idea: don't use the chemicals at all. Go natural. Who say's we need all these products?There are natural alternatives for every one of these disease causing substances. Do everything within your power to stop this sick treatment of God's creation. Stand up for the innocent. We should fight for the full close down.
freypark123 3 years ago
EXACTLY! Even if tests are necissary, he have artificial intelligence, computers, mannequins...several things we could use instead of innocent animals.
dancerchick912 2 years ago
what the fuck???
why is that monkey's forehead shaved?
steve3sc 3 years ago
i think its more painful to watch footage then pictures :(. Makes me gonna cry -.-
kaysthe1 3 years ago
either this or have hair spray give you cancer
lfshanny 3 years ago
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i hope you die.
dancerchick912 2 years ago
I do not believe in testing on animals, it is wrong to cause pain and suffering in other species.
I knew a human, her spine collapsed, and every part of her body short circuited, except her mind.
Animal research is a waste of life, and brillant minds.
windap55 3 years ago 2
I do not believe in using animals for research. It is a waste of tax dollars,animals, and brillant minds,
windap55 3 years ago
that monkey had sharp teeth....i hope he shoved them in their faces and made them bleed
kittyluver1000 3 years ago 7
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u guys are gay get a life u morons
Marcos062 3 years ago
who?
Kirby4ever101 3 years ago
its not your fault that you ar an evil mother fucker who doesnt care about the animals. SO SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YOU DAMN FUCKER!!
lionheartibb 3 years ago
that is so fucking gay why would scientist even do this they should banned this or make it illegal
Marcos062 3 years ago
its sad but... it is legal.if u save 1 lab rat u cood go 2 jail.
Kirby4ever101 3 years ago
I can't wait to hear what this new big word you learned is.
I have a bachelor of science degree in cellular/molecular biology and I'm going to veterinary medicine school next year, and you're telling me I'm not intelligent?? I work as a primate caretaker, volunteer every week at my local humane society, and have 3 dogs, man, I must really HATE animals!
m0nkey12345 3 years ago 2
You do, you just select which ones you feel can be abused.
So you are intelligent, but you find fake sugar ok. Please, impress me. Tell me why fake sugar is dangerous and the scam that its on the markets. It is public information.
trixiebella1111 3 years ago
no animal should be abused!!!!!!!!!!! are you saying that they pick the abusable animals to partake in these cruel tests?????? if what u said is anywhere close to that, you can go fucking die.
dancerchick912 2 years ago
You have one medical journal and its at your job? What job is this? And you can't even list any other methods from memory, you have to wait to read them to me? Obviously you aren't very educated on this topic and haven't done your research.
m0nkey12345 3 years ago
Yes, just one medical journal at my job where I was reading it. My co worker was reading it so I'm annoyed I can't locate it, NOT that it would go upon deaf ears.
Gee, I can't even list the long word I read once for the first time, gee I guess I have not done my research.
I am educated on people who are very pathetic like you, that don't care about animals n feel testing should be done, needed or not cause they are just dumb animals. I could find pigs n elephants more intelligent n moral.
trixiebella1111 3 years ago
What are these "SOOOOO many other methods" you speak of? Yes we can grow live skin tissue cultues in petri dishes to replace dermal studies on rabbits and pigs. But we have yet to develop a model or technique to replace the amount of information testing on a living organism gives us.
m0nkey12345 3 years ago
I will get the medical journal i have. Its at my job so Iwill tell you tomorrow. But there are many break through methods that are reliable and not effective as they are on animals.
So please dont say "we have yet to develop a model or technigue"
trixiebella1111 3 years ago
why do they always have some device on their heads in thier eperiments?
debit256 3 years ago
isn't there a law not to do expirimetns on animals
MTVMusicChoice12 3 years ago
Actually there are laws that require experiments to be done on animals. The FDA requires that new drugs be tested on animals before being tested on humans to gain market approval.
martyrk76 3 years ago
It's really sad and dangerous. 92%of all aniaml testing is not effective. It could be safe for teh animal and dangerous for us. the stuff could work onthe animal and not on us.
There are SOOOO many other methods to testing things that are soo much more effective.
The FDA and the USDA are a bunch of criminals. 15,000 animals died from being tested with fake sugar - Example: splenda, sweet N low. yet somehow these products made their way to our counter.... like I said criminals.
trixiebella1111 3 years ago
So if 92% of all animal testing is not effective, isn't it a good thing we tested on animals rather than on humans first? The whole point of doing toxicology studies on animals is to find the concentration acceptable for human consumption. Do you consume Splenda and Sweet N Low? Who is the real criminal, inventor of consumer? More animals die each year due to automobiles rather than animal research. So maybe you should start protesting vehicular transportation before animal research.
m0nkey12345 3 years ago
No, more animals don't die each year from cars than in labs.
NO, I'm not a moron. I know how sweet n low got on the market. I don't touch that poison. But glad you brought it up.
14,000 animals died of cancer and other problems from these fake sugars,,, yet it is on the markets. So please explain that sense wonderboy
trixiebella1111 3 years ago
Are you sure? Suclarose is in more than 3,500 products and the majority of them do not even list it as an ingredient. The FDA did NOT find suclarose to be a carcinogen, at any concentration. However, studies have shown that saccharin may have potential to cause cancer.
I'm not going to argue numbers with you, considering you probably pull your statistics out of your ass or from the PETA website, which is just as foul.
m0nkey12345 3 years ago 2
Hey m0nkey12345 U know how U said a scientist who finds a cure for a disease is not inhuman. Well I totally...DISAGREE! Oh and I have diabetes!
Kittykatkatherine24 3 years ago
What is your point? You are a hypocrite because you don't want scientistists to do medical research on animals but you'll take the medication developed by the research to save your own life?
martyrk76 3 years ago
What about the research on jews during WW2. If you use that are you a nazi then??
trixiebella1111 3 years ago
i wish i could do it to those people.
GeekRocker123 3 years ago 2
sorry to say but why dont people do something and you bitch about science...well science invented most of our technology but i am not 1 sideding i am staying nutrul thumb me down if u like but tht aint gunna change my mind well done for showing what happends but people should do somthing more than just bitch on youtube no offence
warlordgold 3 years ago
kill whitey
birdnamedfrank 3 years ago
yeah, thanks to all who posts these, you shoudl feel very good about yourselfs letting this out!
Siriuzz 3 years ago
people need to know what goes on in those labs! good 4 u, make some more of these videos. maybe it'll get people thinking.
clareymo94 3 years ago 4
those that work there are sadistic and inhuman
icemaiden06 3 years ago 5
i highly doubt that the scientists and veterinarians who work in these animal testing labs are "sadistic and inhuman." there are strict government laws which regulate the use of animals in labs. the majority of animals used in labs are for medical research and the development of drug therapies. a scientist who uses animal research to develop a cure for cancer, AIDS, diabetes, or any other disease is hardly "inhuman."
m0nkey12345 3 years ago
your totally deluding yourself if you think those animals dont suffer i agree with clareymo94.
icemaiden06 3 years ago
The number animals lives sacrificed for research is far less than the number of lives saved due to the research. And animal research saves both humans AND pets. Research animals are not allowed to suffer. In-fact, they probably get better medical attention than yourself or even the average pet. No lab would ever get away with allowing their animals to suffer with all the laws there are today.
m0nkey12345 3 years ago
yeh whatever you say 'monkey'!
icemaiden06 3 years ago
I have to think that you HAVE NOT viewed the YouTube videos ....! Would you be able to sit in a chair all day while you get no food/water unless you did the "correct" thing?
while your head is held in place by a painful screw? while your head is cut open and painful disinfectant is placed in/on the open wounds? while you can't move or get help or pain killers? or anyone to understand your pleas for help? while you can only blink your eyes? tears? cry? hurt? fear? death?
I don't think so ...
dalcer1 3 years ago
OMG STOP ANIMAL TESTING!!!
RISK92KING 4 years ago 5
STOP KILLER SCIENCE
angelaexposito 4 years ago 5
SCIENCE KILLER
angelaexposito 4 years ago
you are an IDIOT! you want innocent animals to DIE for you fucking science? screw you! if you where being crammed into a tube half your size i don't think you would like it! if you had to have tubes stabbed into your nose i bet you wouldn't like it! so shut the fuck up about science, because there is no point to make animals suffer!
clareymo94 3 years ago 4
you moron should realise theres no need to torture animals this way.
icemaiden06 3 years ago 4