Regarding politics: Chinese communism suppressing culture???? China has never suppressed anything - Communism is just another philosophy blended into Buddhism, Daoism, Confucianism, etc. Communism did not start in 1949 - it has always been part of Chinese culture. Same as capitalism, but these economic distribution philosophies have never been politicized and purified to these extremes as in last 70 years.
Regarding politics: Chinese communism suppressing culture???? China has never suppressed anything - Buddhism / Daoism / Kongfu-ism...Communism is just another philosophy blended into Chinese culture. Communism did not start in 1949 - it has always been part of Chinese culture. Same as capitalism, but these philosophies of economic distribution has never been politicized and purified to extremes as in last 70 years.
the Japanese version cant compare to the Chinese version. the Chinese lyrics have so much more meaning. i love the part when she brings up Zhou Yu and Zhuge Liang.."Zhou Yu Has Already Been Born, So Why Was Zhuge Liang Ever Born?"
@Intranetusa original Han culture was pretty much destroyed by the yuan dynasty. ppl from Taiwan and hongkong wear "tangzhuang" and qipao as well. The han culture movement started in the mainland, not Taiwan or hongkong. Just like u I hate Mao and his cultural revolution, but after his death, the ccp has been working hard to preserve what's left.
Alan Dawa Dolma is a very religious person. She is of Tibetan descent, women are very strict on themselves. I don't understand why people are calling her names, it's not right to call someone names if you don't know them. It just makes you look like a fool.
Also when it comes to Chinese Hanfu and Japanese Kimonos. They do not look identical at all. Chinese has evolved from Hanfu's to later known outfits, which is understandable for a empire nearly 6000 years old. Japan on the other hand evolve
What are you people talking about. The Chinese culture is not disappearing, where in the hell did you people hear that, I mean do you live on the mainland? The Chinese empire goes through changes every era, it is common in many civilizations all over the world. Don't talk bad about the Chinese just because you don't know true facts. Yes! at one point the late communist Mao was going to erase Chinese history and start fresh, but he died before he could do it.
The most epic war strategy film to date, in my opinion, this movie makes you laugh, cry, and want to kill and dance, all at the same time ;) Takeshi Kaneshiro 金城 武...is one of the most splendid actors in the industry today, and Lin Chi-ling 林志玲 is one of the most gorgeous women in all the world, and is an extremely remarkable actress, and is just as deadly. it's like watching the game Stratego! ...only live! lol
I don't understand the Language but the song is soooooooooooooooo melodious.The girl is the sooooooooooooooooo sweet she is the personification of beauty and elegance. The movie was a great example of victory of intellect & humility over might and arrogance.
I don't understand the Language but the song is soooooooooooooooo melodious.The girl is the personification of beauty and elegance. The movie was a great example of victory of intellect & humility over might and arrogance.
The song is sooooo melodious.The girl is the personification of beauty and elegance. The movie was a great example of victory of intellect over might.
they say beauty is a matter of perspective.. i say, beauty is but a lingering thought.. such an echo, that reverberates throughout my mind.. cannot be described, perhaps giving an insight into my insanity.. tis a ambient, blossoming song, that cuts away the threads of the past.. allowing one to relive them.. such sorrow and pain.. such loss and fury.. alas, for the banality of man.
@JKFDDSY2009 lol,Red Cliff, is actually adapted from Japanese History !? like The Monkey King or The Water Margin.What next,Japan never Invaded China.
@JKFDDSY2009 alan is Tibetan, not Japanese. She is, however, active in the Japanese music industry. Red Cliff (the movie) was adapted from "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" by Luo Guanzhong. The battle itself is part of Chinese history, not Japanese.
@meiskann Many Western Otaku believe everything East Asian is Japanese, even though Japanese themselves are honest enough to never claim such thing. That's because these Otaku got their info 3rd hand from other Western Otaku, not from Japanese or other East Asians.
John Woo should stick to directing action movies, historical flicks ain't his strong suit and as far as I can see, the path taken by him in Red Cliff just looks bizarre. And btw, he might want to develop some new signature, the whole white pigeon and shooting with both hands are way too old and in desperate need of change.
This debate is not about who's language came first.
It is about whose culture can be traced back further than the other.
Your unverified and unsubstantiated comment "Indian Culture is the oldest" was rebutted when I came up with evidence to prove you wrong. It is not the oldest source of culture compared to the Chinese.
@codeccarl Of course its not about whose language came first. But it stands to reason that if a culture developed writing earlier than another than that culture would most likely be the older of the two. Also my comment was neither unsubstantiated nor unverified. It was based on actual verifiable information. I will however take a look at your sources further.
hey would anyone tell me what this song is called and where i can download it? i love this song and i have the other theme song but not the red cliff part 2 theme :/ help :)
hate when people say historical accuracy this and that... lets speak battle of red cliff while im at it. The scholars of Wu and Shu of course will write that they were victorious. But will Wei scholars write that they lost? Once again man, so many different versions of battle by battle and event by event were written by different sides, we will never know which side is correct. We do not "know" anything we basically "choose to believe" a novel dramatized version.
So when you combine those "chaotic hostorical records" and a novel, what do you get? perhaps the greatest story known to man. but as far as historical accuracy? you have to be someone who has studied this era for decades and you may come close. As far as we all know, Zhao Zilong might have had coward-like characteristics while lets say Lu Bu was an honorable man? We like all history will never know, but we choose to believe and follow the novel because its a dam good story.
dont get me wrong i like history but nonetheless history is history meaning no one was there. we study something called history and yes there are writings and evidence this and evidence that but my question and point is, WHAT IF? because no one REALLY knows. we suspect and assume this this that happened. you have to ask questions like WHAT IF, WHAT MIGHT HAVE. because after all... the victors write the history and not the losers and third parties. they have their own version of the story ALWAYS
Hitlir was a great leader not a hero, choosed the wrong terms. Alexander the great on the other hand im questioning, as u kno roman love boasting about their enemy being strong, allowing Roman to look stronger, that's my belief "dont shot"
i dont think there was really all that much wuxia in here. I mean as long as they're not flying right? And personally I love history. And I like to believe that alot of history is accurate. But when you have "historical records" from the 3kingdon era china, where there were literally many factions and kingdoms and dynasties, there can be so many different versions of a story that you can get. And ROTK is a novel written like a thousand years after the actual events.
Lets be honest though, thats how the film industry works, he could not satisfy one group without losing the other, and the historical side loses out to the wow factor. I hear what your saying, just don't slag off a guy who really created a brilliant film. I have to leave now as I'm off to the pub. There is something you can tell me though. How much truth is there in Hero? I love that film and never researched it. Ps I disagree, but your a good person to debate with. Laters
My point is, ok you seem to hate this film and bang on that it was not historically accurate, that is your opinion. But why bang on about John Woo? When from the comments I hear on this page and in other places, he made a great epic movie? Historically accurate? Do you think that was his major concern when dealing with that scale of film? Think about it, you'd be happy if one thing went according to plan on that scale. If you want to see nothing but fact watch the History channel.
I don't exactly hate the film. I thought the film was entertaining. But I'm just a very disappointed at John Woo....as the most expensive East Asia film ever produced, the result was medicore. I mentioned history because he tried to combine elements of history with ROTK and wuxia fantasy...which didn't work. He should've not combined em
As for the History Channel, unfortunately that channel is nothing but reality TV, UFO conspiracies, and Mayan 2012/Nostradamus-doomsday bullcrap.
Intranetusa. Hi, thought I'd gone? You wish. Look the reason I got into this debate, was that you were essentially slagging off a great piece of cinema! The martial arts are brilliant, cinematography is brilliant and on such a vast scale the extras in the battle scenes were precise beyong belief (refering to the shield formations in the foreground, before you hit me with the fact that there was cgi in some scenes).
If you honestly spend your time slagging of people who have made great films! Instead of commenting on films you love, then you are one sad bastard! (Clears throat) ONCE AGAIN RED CLIFF IS A BEAUTIFUL! THOUGHT PROVOKING, VISUALLY STUNNING PIECE OF CINEMA! and is right up there with HERO! (Dishonor and shame to sad bastards!)
Thought provoking? Not really.All the scenes were essentially spoon fed to you. There was nothing suspenseful, and you pretty much knew what was going to happen even if you don't know anything about Chinese history.
Right up there with Hero? Not quite. The movie did have a coherent plot. The dialogue is Hero was far far better than the dialogue in this movie.
Beautiful? I'll give you that. The scenery and some action scenes were good.
Secondly, in terms of battle tactics and heroics, again I found them stunning, and I saw variations of the roman 'Testude' that I thought were amazing! Ofcourse it would have been crazy to do what they did in battle, but they managed to pull it off! (IN THE FILM!)
The part where they threw ropes at the horses was absurd. No army is going to bother training their soldiers to do some rope-throwing cowboy trick when they can just stab them with spears or shoot them down like in the other parts of the movie.
Tsao Tsao's cavalry riding right into the circular wall of mass soldiers was ridiculous too. So was the soldiers not even attackingbut letting their commander have some fun with random kung fu attacks.
(takes a breath and sighs because you are making this too easy).
First of all I believe you were critisising the historical accuracy of the film, which remained the same as I informed you that it was indeed a film, and therefore made for the enjoyment of everyone it seems, except you.
And martial arts as a whole wasn't well established in China until well after the 3 Kingdoms period.
If Woo wants to make a historically accurate movie, fine, get it right. If he wants to make a semi-fictional movie based on ROTK, fine, give it the necessary plot twists and eloquent dialogue that was present in the novel. If he wanted to make it a wuxia movie, it should be entertaining.
The problem is he tried to do all 3 and the result was a mess that could've been so much better.
I watched this film online lastnight after a longtime of neglecting it. I thought it was fantastic!. I can understand why people wish for historical accuracy but at the end of the day it is a film and is meant to be entertaining. On Intranetusa's point I think you saw a different film, Barbarism? I saw martial arts and battle field tactics that could rival Rome! On your other point, John Woo has just directed this film which for scale, tops any epic previously done. Lately you have done?
"I saw martial arts and battle field tactics that could rival Rome! "
Are you kidding me? Do you know anything about Chinese history at all?
Those scenes were about as accurate as the Spartans fighting mutant ninjas from the 300 movie.
Soldiers on the battlefield do not use martial arts. They are drilled in practical formation tactics. Ancient soldiers didn't run around by themselves killing thousands of enemies single handedly.
Do you actually believe generals went around using martial arts on soldiers? You watch far too much wuxia-wirefu movies and know nothing about Chinese military history.
Martial arts in China wasn't even a well established art until well into the 8th century.
The job of generals is not take on a thousand soldiers by themselves. Even the fictional ROTK novels didn't have the main characters doing kung-fu moves on enemy soldiers on the battlefield.
Like I said before. This movie is based entirely on John Woo's fictional-wuxia fantasies of flying kung fu warriors. I'm sure you like that sort of thing - but for me, turning a historical epic into a fictional kung fu movie is totally out of place.
your right about the west not being able to compare.. that is because the Chinese specialty is the past and historic events.. very proud culture.. oldest and the proudest..
This movie was about as historically accurate to the Han Dynasty as movie Gladiator is to the history of the Roman empire. The armor used is about 400 years anachronistic, and the movie's fighting is nothing but barbarian brawling..
For that note, I wished someone like Ridley Scott would've directed this movie...I really don't like John Woo's trademark of over-the-top action where the main character slaughters thousands of enemies. It's really not suited for a historical epic.
John Woo doesn't know anything about the history of the Han Dynasty. And he's a native Cantonese speaker who has bad Mandarin and doesn't know ancient Chinese.
The movie was a bad mixture of wuxia genres, random elements from the RoTK novel, and generally historically inaccurate plot
Historically speaking, this movie was about as inaccurate as Braveheart and Gladiator...which are rated as some of the most inaccurate movies of all time
From the movie, I don't think he bothered reading it at all...or at least he didn't consult historians or people familiar with the RoTK novels.
The dialogue in ROTK was excellent, filled with poetry, monologues, elegance, etc
Why did Woo not bother using ANY of it? The dialogue in the movie is juvenile.
The ROTK plot regarding Red Cliff was great as well. Why did John Woo decide to invent his own quasi-fictional version that barely has a coherent plot?
@Peoerson I agree but that was not his statement. His statement was that china's was the oldest culture and that is incorrect. If he said oldest continuous CIVILIZATION than yes i would have to agree.
@codeccarl The Proof is that the oldest written laguage ever discovered is sanskrit of India. This is pretty much a well known fact. What are you talking about?
@codeccarl Ok first off I do believe your definition of Culture is inaccurate here is mine. Culture -The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought. Secondly Sanskrit is repeatedly cited as the oldest formally written language dating back to 1500 BC. I don't know where you got your numbers but the Chinese language only goes back to 1200 BC.
@jeromeT1020 As further reference. (Mesa Community College data. See website) "..Neolithic sites in China with millet and pigs have..dated to between 5,000-7,000 B.C" Hunan Institute of Archaeology, Changsha, China (Translated by Eric Meng & Elaine Wong) "Pengtoushan pottery has radiocarbon dates of 9,100± 120 and 8,200± 120 year" Britannica History,Pengtoushan culture ..Pengtoushan culture, whose radiocarbon dates cluster from 9500 to 8100 bp These are all verified by archaeologists.
@codeccarl There are the 8,600 year old tortoise shells they found in the neolithic graves in central china but everything I have found regarding this says they have yet to be verified for two reasons. 1) Not enough evidence to qualify it as a complete writing system. 2) Archeologists have yet to establish continuity between the shells and Dàwènkǒu culture sites.
@jeromeT1020 Earlier Indian cultures were cut by the Aryans, then Alexander the Great, then Muslim influences, and then by Timor the Lame, whose empire collapsed when the British came.
Too bad Chinese culture is long gone in mainland China.
Traditional script has been butchered into simplified. Traditional hanfu clothings are non-existent, and nomadic qipaos are more common. Neo-Confucianism, Taoism, and Zen Buddhism has been abandoned. Filial piety and ancient traditions have been long gone.
The Qing destroyed much of the culture. The communists destroyed what was left.
You're just like the other people who rue the loss of Chinese culture but don't do anything about it.
Here you're writing not in Traditional script, but English.
"Long gone in mainland China" - Are the Taiwanese or Hong Kongers wearing hanfu and bowing down to their superiors every day? There is a higher % of Christians in Hong Kong than the mainland. It's not the Communists that have destroyed ancient Chinese culture, but modernity. Chinese culture evolves, deal with it.
Lol, read up on some history. The communists literally ransacked and destroyed artifacts and ordered book burnings just like the Nazis. Japan and Korea has been able to preserve their ancient culture perfectly - the fact that the mainland can't do the same is PATHETIC.
Chinese culture has not evolved - it has merely been destroyed by the CCP and kowtowed to western stereotypes. There was a lady who was attacked for wearing a hanfu cuz they thought it was Japanese...ignorant people.
You could say Chinese culture came to an end when people stopped using oracle bone scripts, abandoned bone-heating as a way of divination, and ended live sacrificial burials. People should focus on what new culture they can bring to the table instead of worrying over whether their lifestyle is 100% the same as people living during who knows when. I say culture becomes dead when it stays the same, not when it changes.
You've missed the point - there is a difference between a natural evolution, and something that was abrupt and sudden due to stupid political intervention. The oracle bones evolved naturally into script. Live sacrifices ended due to a need for manpower during the warring states era, and the creation of terra cottas.
What you have today is an artificial replacement forced onto society by the communists. It's sad when the Chinese thinks Qing Manchu clothing is traditional clothing.
I don't see why people shouldn't wear Manchu clothing. Manchu clothing could be a trend, it doesn't actually say that it is traditional that everyone is wearing it. Also, it IS part of Chinese history. The communists aren't good. They do need to be gone if China wants to have their culture grow. But Chinese culture is still there. The Manchus assimilated into Chinese culture. Tell me what they destroyed? The Chinese just suffered from a halt, not a total obliteration!
But people think Manchu clothing is traditional Chinese clothing, when it is not. The Manchu clothing has been worn for maybe 300 years, whereas variations of the hanfu have been worn for over 2500 years.
So it's retarded when the Chinese commies during the Olympics decided to have entertainers wear Manchu-inspired clothing because it represents the "stereotypical" Chinese dress instead of wearing the real Hanfu traditional dress.
The government is wrong, and I hate it. They are trying their best to stop Chinese culture from coming back, but their efforts aren't working. Chinese culture is still seeping back, it is not gone!
Ok, it did start in the mainland. But the population in Taiwan is far more Han than the mainlanders. The vast majority of people in Taiwan are Han from SouthEast China.
The communist government on the mainland doesn't give a damn about Han culture - they've already butchered traditional writing into simplified crap, and they even wanted to introduce legislation to ban it (in Beijing). And they prefer Manchu qiapos because it's supposedly more "harmonious" (aka stereotypical).
@Intranetusa Han from Taiwan are actually from all over China; they're pretty much all refugee Nationalists from the civil war. Please tell me where and when Beijing wanted to ban traditional writing, I have never heard of it; in fact, everyone I know knows traditional Chinese.
I do despise Manchu clothing when worn by Han who think they're traditional Chinese clothing. If anything, they ought to ban Manchu clothing. Hideous horse blankets. Bu that has nothing to do with commie, HK does it too.
The people who know traditional are the older generation. The younger people don't know it.
Here is the article for Beijing banning traditional script: chinadaily(DOT)com(DOT)cn/usa/china/2011-03/25/content_12225994.htm
The commies actively promote Manchu clothing because it's supposedly a symbol of Chinese nationalism. They just want to promote a simplified stereotype to unify the country under their distorted culture. During the Olympics, most performers wore Manchu clothing.
@Intranetusa The link doesn't work, send it to me in PM. Actually, the older generation (pre-60s) are the ones confused with Han/Manchu culture; they're the ones that think Manchu clothes are traditonal Chinese. Most younger generation know the truth or don't care.
Did you even watch the Beijing Olympics? I do not recall Manchu clothes, in fact, they didn't even mention Qing dynasty only Han. I saw Confucians students and Han/Tang dynasty dress only. Also when they showed Chinese inventions.
@Intranetusa Religion was never a central part of China's state affairs, hence the multitude of religions that were allowed to exist among the Chinese populous as there was no single powerful religion to push the rest out.
Culture is cumulative and will grow, the only real way to kill a culture is to stop all artists and designers of that culture from producing NEW works and ideas. It is the culture that stands still that is dead.
The communists ACTIVELY suppressed religion and culture. Religion wasn't central part of state affairs, but it was highly influential among the state. Among the populace it became integrated as a part of the culture. Confucianism and Taoism are culture as much as they are religion. Yet under Mao, idiots banned and burned their works and attacked them as old and foolish
It is the culture that is suppressed and then ARTIFICIALLY changed that is dead...which is what the Qing/commies did.
@Intranetusa That's expected for any Communist revolution, since atheism ironically becomes the state religion. But that's the fault of the westerners who spread that crap in the first place. Those Maoist days are over, and its only scam cults that are being suppressed. I hear Americans say how Scientology should be banned, but when China does it everyone calls it religious persecution. China has always been one thing, a bureaucracy that gets the job done first and asks questions later.
@kovona But that's the side of the government. The general population will care less if they have to sport a ponytail or not, dress in hanfu or a t-shirt, or write in simplified or tradtitional. Culture after all is something that adds identity and colour to our lives, but it shouldn't hold us down.
I would say the West has some pretty fascinating culture and history, if you dig beneath the modern day squabbling politicians and fringe elitists try to throw at each other. I for one am proud of my Celtic heritage. ;)
This was one of the best movies ever in my thoughts. I had a chance to watch Transformers 2 and i picked this one. Spent $10 renting it though. But it was still great. John Woo you're the best. Wohoo.
Hey @ StrainChain. Its either watching 3 hours of pots and pans clashing with each other, and michaelbayxplosion. Or watching asians hack each other to pieces and ninjary stuff and fly around with polearms. You made the right choice XD.
I'd say he knows how to direct action movies, but not historical epics. You need a director on the level of Ridley Scott, Oliver Stone, or Akira Kurosawa to direct a good historical epic with massive battles.
Only thing is that, for it to be good, it need to be made by a chinese director, which is none of those directors/produsers. Its a fantasic film because John Woo made it, and he got good actors. Also, its such an amazing story overall, i don't see any1 screwing it up, or making it terrible. Its just better because it was made by a chinese person.
P.S: Im not chinese, therefor not making me racist.
There are directors that could've done a much better job. The dialogue in the movie was about as sophisticated as teenager slang. He completely left out poetic speech and other classics of the RoTK novels.
The historical aspect is none, armors are inaccurate, battles use fictional and ridiculous formations, and it has the typical wuxia 1-guy-kills-1000+ scene.
This was the most expensive East Asian film ever made to date...and I find it sad that this was the best Woo could do.
The RoTK were hardly even true to history either. But then, the three kingdoms were in like the third century. Were you alive then? No you weren't, and since there aren't a lot of records left from that period. It's hard to make a film, which is based on that period, true to history.
This film was aimed at entertaining, rather than being true to history. If John Woo had been true to history, there wouldn't be a film to produce. People like you are never satisfied. Just enjoy it for what it is.
They have something called the Chronicles/Records of the Three Kingdom. Furthermore, ROTK novels have eloquent language and complex plots that they didn't bother using.
The problem here is they tried to mix the actual story with the semi-fictional ROTK, and then added completely out of place wirefu wuxia action into the movie.
It would've been far better if they decided to pick a genre and stick to it, not combine everything into a mess that barely has a coherent plot.
Of course they have, but it's only from one view point. Almost all of history is from the view point of the victor rather than the defeated. We cannot POSSIBLY know what really happened unless there was a time machine.
Perhaps it is, but it is an enjoyable movie regardless. You're criticism of this movie and blatant disregard for other people's opinions is bordering on Troll. If you don't like it, fair enough, say your piece and leave it at that. You're not convincing anyone that this is poor.
Shes pretty... Whats here full name?
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Alan (阿兰) has the voice of an angel ~ love her!
Regarding politics: Chinese communism suppressing culture???? China has never suppressed anything - Communism is just another philosophy blended into Buddhism, Daoism, Confucianism, etc. Communism did not start in 1949 - it has always been part of Chinese culture. Same as capitalism, but these economic distribution philosophies have never been politicized and purified to these extremes as in last 70 years.
OnePeopleOneChina 3 weeks ago
Alan (阿兰) has the voice of an angel ~ love her!
Regarding politics: Chinese communism suppressing culture???? China has never suppressed anything - Buddhism / Daoism / Kongfu-ism...Communism is just another philosophy blended into Chinese culture. Communism did not start in 1949 - it has always been part of Chinese culture. Same as capitalism, but these philosophies of economic distribution has never been politicized and purified to extremes as in last 70 years.
OnePeopleOneChina 3 weeks ago
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MrBleuBirde 2 months ago
the Japanese version cant compare to the Chinese version. the Chinese lyrics have so much more meaning. i love the part when she brings up Zhou Yu and Zhuge Liang.."Zhou Yu Has Already Been Born, So Why Was Zhuge Liang Ever Born?"
And Tony Leung really fit the role as Zhou Yu.
I love the three kingdoms!!
ShuyuKoukin 2 months ago
好歌, 太少知音.
tactuziz 3 months ago
this is better than the other soundtrack which is 心戦
MrBigEnchilada 4 months ago
大江东去比 心戦 好多了!!!! 只是字有時候多了...
MrBigEnchilada 4 months ago
prefers the jap version
xuexuew 4 months ago
Alan Dawa Dolma - Red Cliff Part 2 'Da Jiang Dong Qu' OST
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kelana67 4 months ago
i think that the chinese should continue to wear hanfu clothing, like how the japanese wear still wear kimonos and the korean wear theirs. :D
i dont like qipaos. i think its too modern. and hanfu falls into the same depth as the other asian traditional wear.
Kynarii 4 months ago
@Intranetusa original Han culture was pretty much destroyed by the yuan dynasty. ppl from Taiwan and hongkong wear "tangzhuang" and qipao as well. The han culture movement started in the mainland, not Taiwan or hongkong. Just like u I hate Mao and his cultural revolution, but after his death, the ccp has been working hard to preserve what's left.
theaviribidityofwtr 5 months ago
Epic song. Epic film.
chazmeistro 7 months ago
wth? isn't she a tibetan?...how is she spanish/hispanic?
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JanelePoll 8 months ago
alan FTW I am sad that i did not here of her until recently. She has such an amazing voice and beyond beautiful!
VanishMantle 8 months ago
Alan Dawa Dolma is a very religious person. She is of Tibetan descent, women are very strict on themselves. I don't understand why people are calling her names, it's not right to call someone names if you don't know them. It just makes you look like a fool.
Also when it comes to Chinese Hanfu and Japanese Kimonos. They do not look identical at all. Chinese has evolved from Hanfu's to later known outfits, which is understandable for a empire nearly 6000 years old. Japan on the other hand evolve
johnnythao 8 months ago
@johnnythao Chinese dresses and costumes have adapted somewhat to steppe cavalry warfare, Japan less so.
milvipes 6 months ago
What are you people talking about. The Chinese culture is not disappearing, where in the hell did you people hear that, I mean do you live on the mainland? The Chinese empire goes through changes every era, it is common in many civilizations all over the world. Don't talk bad about the Chinese just because you don't know true facts. Yes! at one point the late communist Mao was going to erase Chinese history and start fresh, but he died before he could do it.
johnnythao 8 months ago
her beauty not equal her skill
ZhugeZhouYu 8 months ago
But I like most chinese version of this movie.Zhao Wei kiss kiss XD
RadoRadimir 10 months ago
Many chinese singers have great voice.And this is also good.
1.Deng Li Jun-Taiwan
2.Zhou Jie Lun
3.Sun Yan Zi-Singapore
4.Shunza
5.Liu Ruo Ying
ETC....it`s your choice XD
RadoRadimir 10 months ago
her voice is great!!
starbubble16 11 months ago
alanの声すっごい好き！
hanasakiuka6 1 year ago
alan の声綺麗～中国語で歌ってるほうが好きだなぁ＾＾
aonokawa 1 year ago
The most epic war strategy film to date, in my opinion, this movie makes you laugh, cry, and want to kill and dance, all at the same time ;) Takeshi Kaneshiro 金城 武...is one of the most splendid actors in the industry today, and Lin Chi-ling 林志玲 is one of the most gorgeous women in all the world, and is an extremely remarkable actress, and is just as deadly. it's like watching the game Stratego! ...only live! lol
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i wanna see this movie so dmn bad!!!
TenshiTamagoKidd15 1 year ago
Love this film and this song is fantastic. Love it ♥♥♥
MrLoviiee 1 year ago
modernity? modernism?
lol grammar natzi
thanalos 1 year ago
Love the movie and the music. Beautiful voice! very bright
schaapje35 1 year ago
Only Gran Torino is better in my Top-Ten :)
12/10!
Multifob 1 year ago
Omgsh it sounds so weird since I'm so use to listening to this song in Japanese. XD
xXDiane1xX 1 year ago
lyrics suck
danceonwind 1 year ago
@danceonwind why does it suck? I'm actually asking cause i can't under all this weird traditional phrases.
Shann553 1 year ago
@Shann553 coz it doesnt make any sense besides so tedious. i dont know who wrote it, he/she did a bad job for trying to mimic Luo guan zhong
danceonwind 1 year ago
@Shann553 the writer plagiarized phrases and blended them together, but i doubted he had ever read san guo yan yi
danceonwind 1 year ago
Eeh, what I wouldn't do to be able to sing like this! :D
Euphae 1 year ago
Epic movie. Better than any American equivalent. Need to watch the International version. Western version takes away the story a little.
Anyway love Alan for both movie endings Part 1 Part 2 International version
Kerak21 1 year ago
@teddythebenny I say beauty is in the eyes of the beer-holder.
Wndrmre 1 year ago
She has quite the voice
vagrantlibertine 1 year ago
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I don't understand the Language but the song is soooooooooooooooo melodious.The girl is the sooooooooooooooooo sweet she is the personification of beauty and elegance. The movie was a great example of victory of intellect & humility over might and arrogance.
jaionweb 1 year ago
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I don't understand the Language but the song is soooooooooooooooo melodious.The girl is the personification of beauty and elegance. The movie was a great example of victory of intellect & humility over might and arrogance.
jaionweb 1 year ago
The song is sooooo melodious.The girl is the personification of beauty and elegance. The movie was a great example of victory of intellect over might.
jaionweb 1 year ago
they say beauty is a matter of perspective.. i say, beauty is but a lingering thought.. such an echo, that reverberates throughout my mind.. cannot be described, perhaps giving an insight into my insanity.. tis a ambient, blossoming song, that cuts away the threads of the past.. allowing one to relive them.. such sorrow and pain.. such loss and fury.. alas, for the banality of man.
teddythebenny 1 year ago
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thumbs up if you also want to have sex with Alan
H770907 1 year ago
wonderful song. lovely voice
contactankur 1 year ago
I killed many men and conquered most of Northern China by the end of this song..
fordfocusonme 1 year ago
Beautyful song and movie!
peppermint1358 1 year ago
i love this song
GEORGESTAMATE 1 year ago
lmao duck, that is funny, cantonese so does not sound like a duck lol
treesnake18 1 year ago
omg her voice is so beautiful! and pretty too
treesnake18 1 year ago
Alan is not Chinese, she is a Tibetan and so let her sing as Tibetan.
Come on man!!!!
Onefreeman1000 1 year ago
@Onefreeman1000 she can sing in chinese japanese and her native touge let her talent shine through
JIX9ISLER1986 1 year ago
@Onefreeman1000 sorry, she is from Sichuan Province，pure Tibetan-Chinese people，BTW You should learn more geography knowledge ~ really！！
Riyolai 1 year ago
goddess
drystzz 1 year ago
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@JKFDDSY2009 lol,Red Cliff, is actually adapted from Japanese History !? like The Monkey King or The Water Margin.What next,Japan never Invaded China.
anaaaaal 1 year ago
Outstanding film! Love her singing
earthox88 1 year ago 40
what is the name of the Chinese movie?
AnImeLuverFoEvAh1 1 year ago
in Chinese the name of the movie is "Chi Bi" or "The three kingdoms"
SanoSitro 1 year ago
@SanoSitro Thank You! :) ^^
AnImeLuverFoEvAh1 1 year ago
优美无比....^v^
Yvesyew 1 year ago
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for those who do not know about Red Cliff, it is actually adapted from Japanese History. The movie is made by Chinese.
The girl who sings this song is also a Japanese. She's very pretty and talented.
JKFDDSY2009 1 year ago
@JKFDDSY2009 alan is Tibetan, not Japanese. She is, however, active in the Japanese music industry. Red Cliff (the movie) was adapted from "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" by Luo Guanzhong. The battle itself is part of Chinese history, not Japanese.
meiskann 1 year ago 5
@meiskann Many Western Otaku believe everything East Asian is Japanese, even though Japanese themselves are honest enough to never claim such thing. That's because these Otaku got their info 3rd hand from other Western Otaku, not from Japanese or other East Asians.
milvipes 1 year ago 5
@JKFDDSY2009 lol, please get your facts straight before you state these things. meiskann has got it right
PsychoAssasin 1 year ago
@JKFDDSY2009 WOW you really know nothing about the movie or the history, do you.
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earthox88 1 year ago
John Woo should stick to directing action movies, historical flicks ain't his strong suit and as far as I can see, the path taken by him in Red Cliff just looks bizarre. And btw, he might want to develop some new signature, the whole white pigeon and shooting with both hands are way too old and in desperate need of change.
eatfastnoodle 1 year ago
Her voice is soooooo beautiful as it matches her looks.
LingFangKou 1 year ago
codeccarl and Tjerome, you guys look so smart and cool from arguing history like that~
oops, j/k, it's kind of sad. =)
Be nice to each other, lol.
kingoffongpei 1 year ago
@kingoffongpei HAaha! Very funny.
jeromeT1020 1 year ago
This debate is not about who's language came first.
It is about whose culture can be traced back further than the other.
Your unverified and unsubstantiated comment "Indian Culture is the oldest" was rebutted when I came up with evidence to prove you wrong. It is not the oldest source of culture compared to the Chinese.
India
Sanskrit 1500BCE (language)
China
Pengtoushan 9000-5500 BCE ( Agriculture, farming,pottery)
Charles Higham, The Bronze Age of Southeast Asia. pg 63.
codeccarl 1 year ago
@codeccarl Of course its not about whose language came first. But it stands to reason that if a culture developed writing earlier than another than that culture would most likely be the older of the two. Also my comment was neither unsubstantiated nor unverified. It was based on actual verifiable information. I will however take a look at your sources further.
jeromeT1020 1 year ago
who care anyway
billonggo 1 year ago
HOT!
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altexx77 1 year ago
It's beautiful, love it very much, but the thing is I cant understand what she's sing, lol.
Masterjay2210 1 year ago
I prefer the japanese version
mybluefantasy 1 year ago
where can i found it?
inetkiddy 1 year ago
hey would anyone tell me what this song is called and where i can download it? i love this song and i have the other theme song but not the red cliff part 2 theme :/ help :)
xXxLaurenxoxoxXx 1 year ago
The English title is "The Great River Flows East"
If you want the pinyin "Da Jiang Dong Qu"
But I'm sure if you just google "Red Cliff 2 OST" you'll find a torrent of it including this song.
caocaothedeciever 1 year ago
Curse me for an ignorant American, but what is she singing about? I really love the song, but it would be kind of nice to know what it's about.
CloneAssassin03 1 year ago
hate when people say historical accuracy this and that... lets speak battle of red cliff while im at it. The scholars of Wu and Shu of course will write that they were victorious. But will Wei scholars write that they lost? Once again man, so many different versions of battle by battle and event by event were written by different sides, we will never know which side is correct. We do not "know" anything we basically "choose to believe" a novel dramatized version.
KoryoJin 1 year ago
So when you combine those "chaotic hostorical records" and a novel, what do you get? perhaps the greatest story known to man. but as far as historical accuracy? you have to be someone who has studied this era for decades and you may come close. As far as we all know, Zhao Zilong might have had coward-like characteristics while lets say Lu Bu was an honorable man? We like all history will never know, but we choose to believe and follow the novel because its a dam good story.
KoryoJin 1 year ago
@KoryoJin so in another 2000 years Hitler will be a hero? Alexander was the worst military leader ever and the was no roman empire but only a french?
jackbutton169 1 year ago
dont get me wrong i like history but nonetheless history is history meaning no one was there. we study something called history and yes there are writings and evidence this and evidence that but my question and point is, WHAT IF? because no one REALLY knows. we suspect and assume this this that happened. you have to ask questions like WHAT IF, WHAT MIGHT HAVE. because after all... the victors write the history and not the losers and third parties. they have their own version of the story ALWAYS
KoryoJin 1 year ago
Hitlir was a great leader not a hero, choosed the wrong terms. Alexander the great on the other hand im questioning, as u kno roman love boasting about their enemy being strong, allowing Roman to look stronger, that's my belief "dont shot"
raymondwong3 1 year ago
i dont think there was really all that much wuxia in here. I mean as long as they're not flying right? And personally I love history. And I like to believe that alot of history is accurate. But when you have "historical records" from the 3kingdon era china, where there were literally many factions and kingdoms and dynasties, there can be so many different versions of a story that you can get. And ROTK is a novel written like a thousand years after the actual events.
KoryoJin 1 year ago
Lets be honest though, thats how the film industry works, he could not satisfy one group without losing the other, and the historical side loses out to the wow factor. I hear what your saying, just don't slag off a guy who really created a brilliant film. I have to leave now as I'm off to the pub. There is something you can tell me though. How much truth is there in Hero? I love that film and never researched it. Ps I disagree, but your a good person to debate with. Laters
daehllaw 1 year ago
My point is, ok you seem to hate this film and bang on that it was not historically accurate, that is your opinion. But why bang on about John Woo? When from the comments I hear on this page and in other places, he made a great epic movie? Historically accurate? Do you think that was his major concern when dealing with that scale of film? Think about it, you'd be happy if one thing went according to plan on that scale. If you want to see nothing but fact watch the History channel.
daehllaw 1 year ago
@daehllaw
I don't exactly hate the film. I thought the film was entertaining. But I'm just a very disappointed at John Woo....as the most expensive East Asia film ever produced, the result was medicore. I mentioned history because he tried to combine elements of history with ROTK and wuxia fantasy...which didn't work. He should've not combined em
As for the History Channel, unfortunately that channel is nothing but reality TV, UFO conspiracies, and Mayan 2012/Nostradamus-doomsday bullcrap.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
Intranetusa. Hi, thought I'd gone? You wish. Look the reason I got into this debate, was that you were essentially slagging off a great piece of cinema! The martial arts are brilliant, cinematography is brilliant and on such a vast scale the extras in the battle scenes were precise beyong belief (refering to the shield formations in the foreground, before you hit me with the fact that there was cgi in some scenes).
daehllaw 1 year ago
If you honestly spend your time slagging of people who have made great films! Instead of commenting on films you love, then you are one sad bastard! (Clears throat) ONCE AGAIN RED CLIFF IS A BEAUTIFUL! THOUGHT PROVOKING, VISUALLY STUNNING PIECE OF CINEMA! and is right up there with HERO! (Dishonor and shame to sad bastards!)
daehllaw 1 year ago
@daehllaw
Thought provoking? Not really.All the scenes were essentially spoon fed to you. There was nothing suspenseful, and you pretty much knew what was going to happen even if you don't know anything about Chinese history.
Right up there with Hero? Not quite. The movie did have a coherent plot. The dialogue is Hero was far far better than the dialogue in this movie.
Beautiful? I'll give you that. The scenery and some action scenes were good.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
Secondly, in terms of battle tactics and heroics, again I found them stunning, and I saw variations of the roman 'Testude' that I thought were amazing! Ofcourse it would have been crazy to do what they did in battle, but they managed to pull it off! (IN THE FILM!)
daehllaw 1 year ago
@daehllaw
Fictional tactics and fictional heroics.
The part where they threw ropes at the horses was absurd. No army is going to bother training their soldiers to do some rope-throwing cowboy trick when they can just stab them with spears or shoot them down like in the other parts of the movie.
Tsao Tsao's cavalry riding right into the circular wall of mass soldiers was ridiculous too. So was the soldiers not even attackingbut letting their commander have some fun with random kung fu attacks.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
(takes a breath and sighs because you are making this too easy).
First of all I believe you were critisising the historical accuracy of the film, which remained the same as I informed you that it was indeed a film, and therefore made for the enjoyment of everyone it seems, except you.
PTO
daehllaw 1 year ago 3
On that note, I do support Ridley Scott as I love Blade Runner. But I think that you have really made a stupid comment about a great movie!
On that note, I have no idea what this lady is singing about, but it sounds beautiful, and thats all I need to know!
daehllaw 1 year ago
@daehllaw
And martial arts as a whole wasn't well established in China until well after the 3 Kingdoms period.
If Woo wants to make a historically accurate movie, fine, get it right. If he wants to make a semi-fictional movie based on ROTK, fine, give it the necessary plot twists and eloquent dialogue that was present in the novel. If he wanted to make it a wuxia movie, it should be entertaining.
The problem is he tried to do all 3 and the result was a mess that could've been so much better.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
I watched this film online lastnight after a longtime of neglecting it. I thought it was fantastic!. I can understand why people wish for historical accuracy but at the end of the day it is a film and is meant to be entertaining. On Intranetusa's point I think you saw a different film, Barbarism? I saw martial arts and battle field tactics that could rival Rome! On your other point, John Woo has just directed this film which for scale, tops any epic previously done. Lately you have done?
daehllaw 1 year ago
@daehllaw
"I saw martial arts and battle field tactics that could rival Rome! "
Are you kidding me? Do you know anything about Chinese history at all?
Those scenes were about as accurate as the Spartans fighting mutant ninjas from the 300 movie.
Soldiers on the battlefield do not use martial arts. They are drilled in practical formation tactics. Ancient soldiers didn't run around by themselves killing thousands of enemies single handedly.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
That last remark. Most of the people who use martial arts in the movie are ACTUALLY generals and not soldiers.
Jonasgarland 1 year ago
@Jonasgarland
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Do you actually believe generals went around using martial arts on soldiers? You watch far too much wuxia-wirefu movies and know nothing about Chinese military history.
Martial arts in China wasn't even a well established art until well into the 8th century.
The job of generals is not take on a thousand soldiers by themselves. Even the fictional ROTK novels didn't have the main characters doing kung-fu moves on enemy soldiers on the battlefield.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
Lol, I never said that at all, fool. I said in the MOVIE, not in history. Learn to read.
Jonasgarland 1 year ago
@Jonasgarland
Like I said before. This movie is based entirely on John Woo's fictional-wuxia fantasies of flying kung fu warriors. I'm sure you like that sort of thing - but for me, turning a historical epic into a fictional kung fu movie is totally out of place.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
:D
I knew she was a brilliant singer<3 She sings a lot of my favorite songs. Wow, Manderin Chinese and also Japanese!
killercrystal 2 years ago
She's also Tibetan too, I believe
Jonasgarland 1 year ago
@Jonasgarland
Yup, I found that out.
killercrystal 1 year ago
@Jonasgarland
yes, she is a Tibetan from Sichuan
vi0l0ncell0 1 year ago
her voice is so beautiful makes it gives me goosebumps
trousien 2 years ago
O__O
ALAN?! You mean the same alan that does the InuYasha ending songs?!
killercrystal 2 years ago
@killercrystal yes
purelego 2 years ago
your right about the west not being able to compare.. that is because the Chinese specialty is the past and historic events.. very proud culture.. oldest and the proudest..
Ladrilla171989 2 years ago 24
This movie was about as historically accurate to the Han Dynasty as movie Gladiator is to the history of the Roman empire. The armor used is about 400 years anachronistic, and the movie's fighting is nothing but barbarian brawling..
For that note, I wished someone like Ridley Scott would've directed this movie...I really don't like John Woo's trademark of over-the-top action where the main character slaughters thousands of enemies. It's really not suited for a historical epic.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@Intranetusa
The director must be familiar with the history and, more importantly, the language/culture. John Woo is the right person.
vi0l0ncell0 1 year ago
@vi0l0ncell0
In that case, John Woo is the wrong person.
John Woo doesn't know anything about the history of the Han Dynasty. And he's a native Cantonese speaker who has bad Mandarin and doesn't know ancient Chinese.
The movie was a bad mixture of wuxia genres, random elements from the RoTK novel, and generally historically inaccurate plot
Historically speaking, this movie was about as inaccurate as Braveheart and Gladiator...which are rated as some of the most inaccurate movies of all time
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@Intranetusa
You are completely wrong!
Almost every Chinese grew up in China (including Hong Kong) know that history. Even though he forget, he can read books.
Bad Mandarin? His Mandarin has Cantonese accent, but it is not bad.
Ancient Chinese? People in Hong Kong use traditional Chinese characters (closer to ancient Chinese) while Mandarin people use simplified Chinese.
The movie doesn't have to be very accurate because it is not a documentary.
vi0l0ncell0 1 year ago
@vi0l0ncell0
From the movie, I don't think he bothered reading it at all...or at least he didn't consult historians or people familiar with the RoTK novels.
The dialogue in ROTK was excellent, filled with poetry, monologues, elegance, etc
Why did Woo not bother using ANY of it? The dialogue in the movie is juvenile.
The ROTK plot regarding Red Cliff was great as well. Why did John Woo decide to invent his own quasi-fictional version that barely has a coherent plot?
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@Ladrilla171989 Not the oldest. India's culture is older.
jeromeT1020 1 year ago
@jeromeT1020 yes but china has the longest continuous history our of all countries even longer than egypt
Peoerson 1 year ago
@Peoerson I agree but that was not his statement. His statement was that china's was the oldest culture and that is incorrect. If he said oldest continuous CIVILIZATION than yes i would have to agree.
jeromeT1020 1 year ago
@jeromeT1020
Where's the proof 'hon? We got ours, you don't so scram kid.
codeccarl 1 year ago
@codeccarl The Proof is that the oldest written laguage ever discovered is sanskrit of India. This is pretty much a well known fact. What are you talking about?
jeromeT1020 1 year ago
@jeromeT1020
1. What I'm talking about? I should be asking that question. 2.Culture :A particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation/period
3.When the Sanskrit of India was first created? You only know 'it is the oldest' .
4.It can be traced back to 2nd millennium BCE.
5. The Chinese trace back to 400,00 Bc. The Peking man. Earliest culture evidence 7500 BCE. Pengtoushan culture.
6. Indian 2000 vs Chinese 7500 BCE .Do your math.
7. That's what I'm talking about.
codeccarl 1 year ago
@codeccarl Ok first off I do believe your definition of Culture is inaccurate here is mine. Culture -The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought. Secondly Sanskrit is repeatedly cited as the oldest formally written language dating back to 1500 BC. I don't know where you got your numbers but the Chinese language only goes back to 1200 BC.
jeromeT1020 1 year ago
@jeromeT1020
Firstly I was comparing earliest evidence of cultures in China and India.
And before blindly remarking that definitions are incorrect, please verify my statements first.
Culture \
[C or U] the way of life, especially the general customs and beliefs, of a particular group of people at a particular time
If I add to my use your unverified and without reference, definition :..human work and thought as well as Arts..
codeccarl 1 year ago
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codeccarl 1 year ago
@codeccarl There are the 8,600 year old tortoise shells they found in the neolithic graves in central china but everything I have found regarding this says they have yet to be verified for two reasons. 1) Not enough evidence to qualify it as a complete writing system. 2) Archeologists have yet to establish continuity between the shells and Dàwènkǒu culture sites.
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codeccarl 1 year ago
@codeccarl That's what I'm talking about.
jeromeT1020 1 year ago
@jeromeT1020 Earlier Indian cultures were cut by the Aryans, then Alexander the Great, then Muslim influences, and then by Timor the Lame, whose empire collapsed when the British came.
jayshock89 1 year ago
@Ladrilla171989
Too bad Chinese culture is long gone in mainland China.
Traditional script has been butchered into simplified. Traditional hanfu clothings are non-existent, and nomadic qipaos are more common. Neo-Confucianism, Taoism, and Zen Buddhism has been abandoned. Filial piety and ancient traditions have been long gone.
The Qing destroyed much of the culture. The communists destroyed what was left.
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sango35 1 year ago
@Intranetusa
You're just like the other people who rue the loss of Chinese culture but don't do anything about it.
Here you're writing not in Traditional script, but English.
"Long gone in mainland China" - Are the Taiwanese or Hong Kongers wearing hanfu and bowing down to their superiors every day? There is a higher % of Christians in Hong Kong than the mainland. It's not the Communists that have destroyed ancient Chinese culture, but modernity. Chinese culture evolves, deal with it.
sango35 1 year ago
@sango35
Lol, read up on some history. The communists literally ransacked and destroyed artifacts and ordered book burnings just like the Nazis. Japan and Korea has been able to preserve their ancient culture perfectly - the fact that the mainland can't do the same is PATHETIC.
Chinese culture has not evolved - it has merely been destroyed by the CCP and kowtowed to western stereotypes. There was a lady who was attacked for wearing a hanfu cuz they thought it was Japanese...ignorant people.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@Intranetusa the culture dies with the people. As long there is one, the culture is still there.
JasmperMdong 9 months ago
@JasmperMdong
It has been mostly replaced by a foreign and artificially imposed culture...quite sad.
Intranetusa 9 months ago
@Intranetusa
You could say Chinese culture came to an end when people stopped using oracle bone scripts, abandoned bone-heating as a way of divination, and ended live sacrificial burials. People should focus on what new culture they can bring to the table instead of worrying over whether their lifestyle is 100% the same as people living during who knows when. I say culture becomes dead when it stays the same, not when it changes.
Hpyrr328 5 months ago
@Hpyrr328
You've missed the point - there is a difference between a natural evolution, and something that was abrupt and sudden due to stupid political intervention. The oracle bones evolved naturally into script. Live sacrifices ended due to a need for manpower during the warring states era, and the creation of terra cottas.
What you have today is an artificial replacement forced onto society by the communists. It's sad when the Chinese thinks Qing Manchu clothing is traditional clothing.
Intranetusa 5 months ago
@Intranetusa
I don't see why people shouldn't wear Manchu clothing. Manchu clothing could be a trend, it doesn't actually say that it is traditional that everyone is wearing it. Also, it IS part of Chinese history. The communists aren't good. They do need to be gone if China wants to have their culture grow. But Chinese culture is still there. The Manchus assimilated into Chinese culture. Tell me what they destroyed? The Chinese just suffered from a halt, not a total obliteration!
Hpyrr328 5 months ago
@Hpyrr328
There is nothing wrong with Manchu clothing.
But people think Manchu clothing is traditional Chinese clothing, when it is not. The Manchu clothing has been worn for maybe 300 years, whereas variations of the hanfu have been worn for over 2500 years.
So it's retarded when the Chinese commies during the Olympics decided to have entertainers wear Manchu-inspired clothing because it represents the "stereotypical" Chinese dress instead of wearing the real Hanfu traditional dress.
Intranetusa 5 months ago
@Intranetusa
The government is wrong, and I hate it. They are trying their best to stop Chinese culture from coming back, but their efforts aren't working. Chinese culture is still seeping back, it is not gone!
Hpyrr328 5 months ago
@Hpyrr328
Yep, I agree. Good thing the Taiwanese are trying to revive Chinese culture with stuff such as the hanfu movement...
Intranetusa 5 months ago
@Intranetusa
Yup! I'm hoping to go to Taiwan the next summer. Also Hong Kong. :D
Hpyrr328 5 months ago
@Hpyrr328
Cool! Do you live in East Asia?
Intranetusa 5 months ago
@Intranetusa
I was born in the U.S. and then taken to China until I was done with Kindergarten then I went back to the U.S. until now! :P
Hpyrr328 5 months ago
@Intranetusa Actually Hanfu movement started in the mainland; Taiwan gives no shit about Chinese (Han) culture.
Seres1091 3 months ago
@Seres1091
Ok, it did start in the mainland. But the population in Taiwan is far more Han than the mainlanders. The vast majority of people in Taiwan are Han from SouthEast China.
The communist government on the mainland doesn't give a damn about Han culture - they've already butchered traditional writing into simplified crap, and they even wanted to introduce legislation to ban it (in Beijing). And they prefer Manchu qiapos because it's supposedly more "harmonious" (aka stereotypical).
Intranetusa 3 months ago
@Intranetusa Han from Taiwan are actually from all over China; they're pretty much all refugee Nationalists from the civil war. Please tell me where and when Beijing wanted to ban traditional writing, I have never heard of it; in fact, everyone I know knows traditional Chinese.
I do despise Manchu clothing when worn by Han who think they're traditional Chinese clothing. If anything, they ought to ban Manchu clothing. Hideous horse blankets. Bu that has nothing to do with commie, HK does it too.
Seres1091 3 months ago
@Seres1091
The people who know traditional are the older generation. The younger people don't know it.
Here is the article for Beijing banning traditional script: chinadaily(DOT)com(DOT)cn/usa/china/2011-03/25/content_12225994.htm
The commies actively promote Manchu clothing because it's supposedly a symbol of Chinese nationalism. They just want to promote a simplified stereotype to unify the country under their distorted culture. During the Olympics, most performers wore Manchu clothing.
Intranetusa 3 months ago
@Intranetusa The link doesn't work, send it to me in PM. Actually, the older generation (pre-60s) are the ones confused with Han/Manchu culture; they're the ones that think Manchu clothes are traditonal Chinese. Most younger generation know the truth or don't care.
Did you even watch the Beijing Olympics? I do not recall Manchu clothes, in fact, they didn't even mention Qing dynasty only Han. I saw Confucians students and Han/Tang dynasty dress only. Also when they showed Chinese inventions.
Seres1091 3 months ago
@Intranetusa What do you mean by Chinese Culture? @_@
Fenrir63 4 months ago
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@Intranetusa What do you mean by Chinese Culture? @_@
Fenrir63 4 months ago
@Intranetusa Religion was never a central part of China's state affairs, hence the multitude of religions that were allowed to exist among the Chinese populous as there was no single powerful religion to push the rest out.
Culture is cumulative and will grow, the only real way to kill a culture is to stop all artists and designers of that culture from producing NEW works and ideas. It is the culture that stands still that is dead.
kovona 3 months ago
@kovona
The communists ACTIVELY suppressed religion and culture. Religion wasn't central part of state affairs, but it was highly influential among the state. Among the populace it became integrated as a part of the culture. Confucianism and Taoism are culture as much as they are religion. Yet under Mao, idiots banned and burned their works and attacked them as old and foolish
It is the culture that is suppressed and then ARTIFICIALLY changed that is dead...which is what the Qing/commies did.
Intranetusa 3 months ago
@Intranetusa That's expected for any Communist revolution, since atheism ironically becomes the state religion. But that's the fault of the westerners who spread that crap in the first place. Those Maoist days are over, and its only scam cults that are being suppressed. I hear Americans say how Scientology should be banned, but when China does it everyone calls it religious persecution. China has always been one thing, a bureaucracy that gets the job done first and asks questions later.
kovona 3 months ago
@kovona But that's the side of the government. The general population will care less if they have to sport a ponytail or not, dress in hanfu or a t-shirt, or write in simplified or tradtitional. Culture after all is something that adds identity and colour to our lives, but it shouldn't hold us down.
kovona 3 months ago
@KIDxMIZER
I would say the West has some pretty fascinating culture and history, if you dig beneath the modern day squabbling politicians and fringe elitists try to throw at each other. I for one am proud of my Celtic heritage. ;)
LPetal86 1 year ago
love it. both song and movie :)
hehatous 2 years ago 4
Fantastic movie, fantastic history, fantastic theme song, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
All of it.
Nothing in the West can compare.
KIDxMIZER 2 years ago 32
totally agree :)
nothing in the west can compare ^^
michalex27 2 years ago
any1 have the site to watch the movie 4 free that is the full 4 hrs and 40 mins version?
dragonboy010 2 years ago
This was one of the best movies ever in my thoughts. I had a chance to watch Transformers 2 and i picked this one. Spent $10 renting it though. But it was still great. John Woo you're the best. Wohoo.
StrainChain 2 years ago 6
Hey @ StrainChain. Its either watching 3 hours of pots and pans clashing with each other, and michaelbayxplosion. Or watching asians hack each other to pieces and ninjary stuff and fly around with polearms. You made the right choice XD.
dainbranage 2 years ago
Typical John Woo over-the-top scenes...meh
I'd say he knows how to direct action movies, but not historical epics. You need a director on the level of Ridley Scott, Oliver Stone, or Akira Kurosawa to direct a good historical epic with massive battles.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
Only thing is that, for it to be good, it need to be made by a chinese director, which is none of those directors/produsers. Its a fantasic film because John Woo made it, and he got good actors. Also, its such an amazing story overall, i don't see any1 screwing it up, or making it terrible. Its just better because it was made by a chinese person.
P.S: Im not chinese, therefor not making me racist.
Phycon2000 1 year ago
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Intranetusa 1 year ago
@Phycon2000
There are directors that could've done a much better job. The dialogue in the movie was about as sophisticated as teenager slang. He completely left out poetic speech and other classics of the RoTK novels.
The historical aspect is none, armors are inaccurate, battles use fictional and ridiculous formations, and it has the typical wuxia 1-guy-kills-1000+ scene.
This was the most expensive East Asian film ever made to date...and I find it sad that this was the best Woo could do.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
The RoTK were hardly even true to history either. But then, the three kingdoms were in like the third century. Were you alive then? No you weren't, and since there aren't a lot of records left from that period. It's hard to make a film, which is based on that period, true to history.
This film was aimed at entertaining, rather than being true to history. If John Woo had been true to history, there wouldn't be a film to produce. People like you are never satisfied. Just enjoy it for what it is.
Jonasgarland 1 year ago
@Jonasgarland
They have something called the Chronicles/Records of the Three Kingdom. Furthermore, ROTK novels have eloquent language and complex plots that they didn't bother using.
The problem here is they tried to mix the actual story with the semi-fictional ROTK, and then added completely out of place wirefu wuxia action into the movie.
It would've been far better if they decided to pick a genre and stick to it, not combine everything into a mess that barely has a coherent plot.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
@Intranetusa
*Chronicles/Records of the Three Kingdom being the historical document.
*And ROTK referring to Romance of the Three Kingdom novels.
Intranetusa 1 year ago
Of course they have, but it's only from one view point. Almost all of history is from the view point of the victor rather than the defeated. We cannot POSSIBLY know what really happened unless there was a time machine.
Perhaps it is, but it is an enjoyable movie regardless. You're criticism of this movie and blatant disregard for other people's opinions is bordering on Troll. If you don't like it, fair enough, say your piece and leave it at that. You're not convincing anyone that this is poor.
Jonasgarland 1 year ago