Buran Launch 1

[cruxader27]

i wonder what type of fuel are they using..most of the Russian rockets including Soyuz have no smoke during launch compared to american space shuttle which have lots of smoke from ground to up

[Tyrannobeast]

@cruxader27 The American Space Shuttle used Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant in its rocket boosters. APCP is a solid propellant so it tends to create quite a bit of dust during the burn. Russia uses kerosene fuel almost entirely, which does create smoke, but it's more diffuse than for solid fuel.

Also, there are several American rockets which don't utilize solid propellant and have a very clean-looking burn. The Delta IV Heavy makes no smoke at all, in fact (it runs on hydrogen).

[Nebukadnezarthe2nd]

that the french and russians copied from each other instead of onesided espionage, still the tu 144 had somewhat better performance like higher speed and higher maneuverability (which isnt really important for an airliner lol)...PEOPLETHE COLD WAR IS OVER AND THE FACTS ARE HERE! STOP HATING EACH OTHER DUE TO STUPID IDEOLOLGIES WHICH ARENT IMPORTANT!

[Nebukadnezarthe2nd]

always the same "disussions" ...to make things clear: the energia rocket is more powerful than the american rocket that powers the space shuttle, second: the buran can carry more payload into space or back than the spaceshuttle (its still a copy but a more efficient one), third: after i saw your comments about the tu144...the tu 144 was faster than the concorde and it was also the one that flew first...yes its almost the same story about the tu144 as it is with the buran with the difference--->

[RomanRybkin]

Слава тем людям кто это всё делал.



[SixtySky987]

Beautiful.....

but it's like an American space Shuttle...

do you copy it ?

[juanlmesl]

@SixtySky987 many machines that are design for the same job may look a like but the soviet did on purpose choose the same layout as the americans but by no means its a copy, this Spacecraft use to work very differently from the american shuttle. 

[SrNutritivo]

@SixtySky987 its more powerfull, with a huge payload capacity, and very much cheap to build and operate (a small fraction of the cost)... In fact, is the same concept of de shuttle but more evolved... It's a pity is fate... The energia laucher can be used as a laucher for other payload, it's very flexible. Finnest russian tech.

[dave46563]

@SixtySky987 they were similar but not exact. The Buran did not have any engines unlike the US shuttles. The Russians also had their own supersonic airliner, the TU-144 or something like that. Everyone in Britain called it 'Concordski' coz it was almost identical to the British/French Concorde. But again, it wasn't an exact copy. And it didn't carry a single paying passenger.

[aspiringdrummer17]

@dave46563 The Buran wasn't great and thats why they eventually abandoned the whole thing and although it wasn't an exact copy, the Russians would exactly get any merits for a unique design. Same thing goes for the Tu-144 which WAS just a rip-oof of the Concorde, anyone can see that. Sure, there were differences in performance and things but the people at Tupolev practically admitted that they stole the design or were 'inspired' from it lol

[Scrat335]

@aspiringdrummer17 You're full of crap preaching the same old line of propaganda a lot of people who think they know anything about this do. In the TU-144 just what were they supposed to build, a flying supersonic brick? I'm sure that would have made people like you quite happy. If you want to get certain things from an airplane, you have to build it a certain way. The laws of physics apply equally to all concerned. Not that you would understand that concept.

[aspiringdrummer17]

@Scrat335 I perfectly understand that a plane of such requirements has to be designed a certain way but the Concorde encompassed design features that were very unique and revolutionary for their time and yet somehow the Tu-144 had the very same design features that were altered to the Russians' more basic manufacturing capabilities. Curious? No. Not if espionage is added to the equation

[bombarderoazul]

I think it was a good idea to cancel Buran, but they should have kept the energia rocket. That thing is a beast, and you can attach sevel types of cargo modules or rockets on it's side. There has never been a rocket similar to it.

[vizcaya7]

yawn...zzz.zzz..zzz

[fabrix7777]

you should have sold those shuttles Buran to the americans! Surely better than the Shuttle they would have probably bought 1 or 2 to learn something new.

[Drpepper687]

@fabrix7777

How was the Buran Copycat Shuttle better than the Americans? The American Shuttle served for 3 decades of success, while the Buran was a failure and rotted in a warehouse.

Educate yourself.

[fabrix7777]

@Drpepper687 Lower weight, better autonomy in space, bigger cargo bay, completely automated are a few things that made it better than the original. Unfortunately it was never used but that is because of the collapse of the ussr, no money to run a space project, not because it was unsafe or a crap project. I believe it was a better improved version of u.s. shuttle.

[Drpepper687]

@fabrix7777

It was a stolen design and a blatant copycat, just like their nuclear program, their B29 copies and their stealth program. All stolen from the US by Russian agents. Why bother working hard when you can just let the US do all the work, then steal it. Sad.

[fabrix7777]

@Drpepper687 I promise you that during those years espionage was working both ways. I would like to point out that the idea of a nuclear program was stolen from germany, along with their scientists, half went to russia and half to the states. Kind of kidnapped with the promise of immunity.

[Drpepper687]

@fabrix7777

Absolutely, I'm not trying to downplay that at all. But there are factors you didn't mention:

(1) The Russians were flat-out kidnapping scientists, while on the other hand, scientists FLED TO the United States. Most wanted to end up in the US rather than slave factories in Russia.

(2) A large amount of the Nazi's tech development was forced labor, kidnapping scientists from all over Europe. Not just Germany.

(3) An American pioneered rocketry, not the Germans.

[fabrix7777]

@Drpepper687 Sure i'd rather get arrested and became a prisoner-collaborator of the us than red old russia, but even the "americans" germans were prisoners at the beginning and many never faced Norimberga to which they were wanted at. 1 american and 1 german pioneered modern rocketry. The one that achieved the best result was the german team. This is history. After the obtainment of the info and knowledge needed great progresses were made in us rocketry history.

[CriticalBanana]

@Drpepper687 The Chinese pioneered rocketry not an American.

[Drpepper687]

@CriticalBanana

Try again.

[CriticalBanana]

@Drpepper687 You used the words "pioneered rocketry"

Look them both up in the dictionary, then you try again.

[Drpepper687]

@CriticalBanana

Pioneer modern rocketry. Try again.

[CriticalBanana]

@Drpepper687 You said "An American pioneered rocketry, not the Germans."

Incorrect.

You Fail.

[Drpepper687]

@CriticalBanana

Pioneered modern rocketry. Deal with it.

[CriticalBanana]

@Drpepper687 You added the word modern hoping you wouldn't look a c*nt. You do.

Deal with that.

[Drpepper687]

@CriticalBanana

What's a c*nt?

I need you to watch "Bed Intruder" about 50 times. Can you do that for me?

[CriticalBanana]

@Drpepper687 U.

[Drpepper687]

@CriticalBanana

Are you done with your assignment yet?

[CriticalBanana]

@jeffreydcatl Good for you, but what relevance does that have here?

[jorgetechful]

I think going further, that buran is what it mean for the future, I guess that buran was a failure, not for being a bad desing of a spacecraft, but for budget constraints, and crysis that were happening to rusia at the time, a proyect for buran in alianse with another country, in a near by future, probably will become true.

[jorgetechful]

@ everybody

what happen to the money to feed the poor? give it to the child to build the future, give to the homeless to have a home, give a sacrifice to the world to live in peace

[hunterziegelmann]

No country wars You guys are crazy it's not about who originally made this it's about the science it takes to do so... I feel ashamed to think there are whole countries full of people who argue meaninglessly on the internet.

[Ravenlord79]

Power and a might!

[guigaguiga]

I like Buran-Buran!

[vizcaya7]

@ Sovietbear91 "and if the USSR would not of fell we would be on mars"? wtf better tech? what a joke. the whole reason the USSR went to Cuba to put its med range missles there is because they didnt have the range or accuracy to hit the USA from it's owne dam country lol then you got kicked out and the USA signed a treaty with turkey so you guys could save face and not look so stupid back home. its not suprising USSR fell..all bark little doggie and no bite. USA BABY ALL THE WAY LOL

[ivasusa]

well, if that was the only reason to go to cuba, what for the us places rockets on the NATO members' territories? because their med range missiles are so great, right?

you're spewing too much nonsense, dude. just STFU.

[vizcaya7]

this was two months ago ...try to keep up dunb fuck

[ivasusa]

@vizcaya7 you see dunb fuck when you look into a mirror

[vizcaya7]

@sovietbear91..let me see if i got this right, you run your red mouth about america and americans. your russian but you live in germany, your love Saving Private Ryan, Enemy at the Gates, 300, Saw, Scary Movie, the Movie, Simpsons, Futurama, Scrubs, King of Queens wich is all in THE GREAT USA, and from what it looks like you love american music too. WTF your such a flake. the funny thing is your shuttle never flew a full mission and the whole USSR fell ummm remember ? oh guess you forgot

[an147]

Wow! That launch was more powerful than that of the NASA´s space shuttle. I love the Energia rocket too. Cheers from México.

[sovieter]

Perfect !! Russian the best !!

[banduril]

ah yes, so perfect it never flew a full mission

[inzhener2007]

кому интересно твое мнение?

[franchboy]

omg that is sooooooooo true america is the best of the best fuck the ussr yall bitches are copy cats itcept u guys smell like shit

[SovietBear91]

hey stupid american dumb ass, buran and shuttle were developed nearly at the same time, so we can`t say how has copied, but in the cold war usa and ussr copied alot from each other

so use your american mouth not for talking shit, use your american mouth for what it was given to you eat mcdonald`s crap and suck cock`s

USSR FTW!

[yarahahrwe]

Except ours "worked". The Buran was a bad copy, started after the Shuttle, and only flew once if ever.

But it's a dumb idea overall, a waste of resources on both sides. Not saying ours wasn't useful, and Russia got the legendary RD170 from theirs, just that the money could have been spent better on other things.

[SovietBear91]

buran and shuttle are two different concepts read more about them

the buran project was a project of the ussr to see what they are capable of doing in the space technology, the main part of the buran project was the ENERGIA Rocket and Bosters, the buran shuttle was only a kind of a plane that was mounted on the rocket to guide the ENERGIA

[SovietBear91]

the main plan of the ussr was to build a full reusable rocket wich could fly and land without the buran shuttle thats why they started the buran program, to have a prototype were they can test the techlogy for there main gole the Energia II(Uragan)

,a full reusable rocket wich can start and land with or without out the buran and with a payload of near 100t

[SovietBear91]

and a rocket named Vulkan was also planed with a payload of about 170t thats mhy they needed the project buran, they only tested their technology they copied nothing from „your shuttle

and they cancelled buran because the ussr collapsed, if the ussr don`t collapsed the soviets would have a coloney today on the mars

what about that your dumb american NASA copied the RD-170 bosters from the energija and use them in their AtlasIII and Atlas V rockets

[vizcaya7]

tipical..read and learn

[mmysama]

It's a shame they didn't keep the energia in service longer. They would have used it to launch the ISS a lot more quickly, a cheaply.

[MarshallJukov]

Thanks to CIA agent Yeltsin

[fener4e]

In fact all the Kremlin residents since 1917 have been CIA / Mosad agents.The present guys are pretty the same

[alex9044]

Dude, don't pay much attention to so called "pioneers" who continue to cry about USSR and follow Putin's doctrine that all Russian problems came from Yeltsin's regime. It's so convenient to blame for something forwarding all problem to dead people or foreign nemesis who don't exist. They just forget that problems are actually themselves.

[elkinandresgomez]

@MarshallJukov

Hehe Osama Bin Laden was also a CIA agent. Thanks to CIA agent Bin Laden.

[alex9044]

ISS would not be launched more quickly, just because 1) it's not cheaper than either Proton or Titan launchers, 2) there was and is no modules to lift with this "big guy". It's just impractical to use for anything besides shuttles and, say, lunar module. :)

[Takeital]

you can orbit bigger payloads which is always good, instead of 5 protons you could have used 1 energia booster and it also gives more freedom to constructors of the space systems since the pieces are bigger, btw the first launch of this rocket was a 80 ton module called Polyus, there was a reason they made the boosters scalable and recoverable and put the core engines in the main rocket instead of the shuttle like usa

[cezarmadness]

icredible sound !I love Energia rocket.

Greetings from Poland

[astrorider]

It was almost as exciting as the N1