@robb15033 - AMSOIL Signature Series 5W-30 with that AMSOIL Ea oil filter would be even better and last even longer, saving you money. :) I can hook up up with the savings of wholesale prices if you would like.
Oh My god what a load of shit, I seen data that says the complete opposite, why are Amsoil so desperate to try and discredit Mobil 1...........answer because its better and they cannot handle it bwaaah
@QUASIWORLD - Clearly the data is from two different formula's and the poster didn't realize this. They should correct it however. As the leader in the synthetic oil industry and, "the first in synthetics", AMSOIL doesn't need to be desperate or discredit anyone. Test results are what they are and let the chips fall where they may. AMSOIL has up to a 25,000 mile recommended and warranted drain interval. Mobil 1?...uh.......
@crestlinersuperhawk - Industry standard tests results prove it's better. Texaco already tried to purchase AMSOIL and the CEO told them to go fly a kite. No one is every going to buy AMSOIL Inc. Not for sale. Period.
May be someone made an offer and Amsoil said no. The US Trade office Issued The First in Synthetics to Amsoil. Amsoil proved to be first in time and QUALITY so the Trade Office gave them the registered trademark. Mobil 1 was given 90 days to respond along with Castrol and all the others. Not one of them responded to the Amsoil claim. Mobil 1 can make all the claims they want about nothing outperforms Mobil 1. It is not true
Amsoil SSO FTMFW! I'm getting as high as 40MPG in my 24mpg EPA mixed rated Acura RSX-S. Check out the bogistheoilguy website..people have Used Oil Analysis' posted for all sorts of oil...and Amsoil goes mad miles with plenty ot TBN left. They had a guy go 30,000 miles in an S2000 with life left...crazy.
@ftwfckyea - Vehicles are modified for better performance than is available using stock parts all the time, this includes oil. There are many products that are better then O.E., (original equipment), and AMSOIL is one of them.
Oh dear another advert! Put two cars side by side and examine them at intervals. I'm amazed AMSOIL have not sued the makers of MOBIL1 oil. Maybe they are not in a position to support their claims about MOBIL1 being inferior. Clever sales talk and marketing sells products as companies know the average motorist will never know the difference between oils and wouldn't care. They buy based on price, some on alleged benefits. This is where your sales team earns their money! Aim at the boy racer
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@HiTechOilCo are u just a payed amsoil spokes person i mean i see u on every video promoting it like its the only oil that anyone should ever run it realy makes me think ur just payed to say this shit and ur opinion realy means nothing
@bobwatters I just use AMSOIL because they are not Jew owned and not part of the new world order. I don't care how they sell the shit. As long as it works and my cars can take the neglect and abuse I give them.
is it just me or is the scale of every draft set to exaggerate the differenced between the oils? cast in point 1:48 ...I have tried both and really couldn't tell the difference...Mobil1 is cheaper and easier to get my hand on so it's in everything I own.
@masterchiefgtx - The test results are what they are, let the chips fall where they may. Mobil 1 is cheaper? I'd be surprised. How much are you paying per qt, per oil change and how many miles a year does your vehicle travel? Let's compare and let the chips fall where they may. :)
@marzil - The charts show the test results of standard industry acceplted, ASTM test results, (American Society for Testing and Materials). They are not made up, as that would be illegal and mega-lawsuit time. These industry accepted standard tests are how oils are compared. This is very valuable consumer information that oil companies don't generally share, except AMSOIL Inc. :)
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@marzil i like that idea i wanna see the two oils goin at it on the track with high rpms and high temps! i see so many race cars runnin mobile one! if amsoil is so great and was here first why does mobile own the market! i wanna see to cars go at it in mulitple situations and then dumb the oil and see which one is doin better for the engine!
@bobwatters - The sticker going down the side of a race car is advertising money, nothing more. It doesn't mean the product listed on that sticker is the product that's being used in that car. What racing teams really use in their equipment or not is a highly guarded secret. They are trying their darndest to win and so what they actually use in their equipment is kept very confidential, so as not to lose a competitive edge. Mobile 1 is a very good product, but based on my informed opinion of...
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@HiTechOilCo ok well i saw on another place that ur a sales man for amsoil so i realy dont care about what u say anymore it is not that much of a secret what race teams run in their engine would u put ur name on a car that didnt run ur product probably not u dont see ford logos on a chevy powered car so that kinda dumb and comparing it to fast food is dumb b/c like u said race teams are gonna use the best the normal market falls for marketers like u
@bobwatters - Again, I do apologize if you don't appreciate personalized customer service. I take great pride and satisfaction in providing personalized customer service to people and I enjoy helping people. Most people really appreciate that and value that, but everyone is different I guess. Whatever floats your boat my friend. Again, the stickers on a race car are nothing more than advertising money. Race cars are high speed billboards. It's just sponsorship/advertising, nothing more.
@bobwatters - Regarding racing and the stickers on the side of a race car, look at the race team of Jeff Gordon in NASCAR racing, one of their major sponsor's is the U.S. Army National Guard. I can't imagine they are using any army firearms or other products in their NASCAR race car, do you? The #99 car, which is sponsored by Subway, I'd have a hard time believing they are using any Subway products in that car. I mean, pickles and mayo in the gas tank? :) Etc., etc., etc.
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@HiTechOilCo wow u must be joking! That is one of the most ignorant statments i have ever read. Do you not see monster sponcered teams drink monster lable twords the cam on the podium after a supercross race! The dont put everything in the gas tank! What about a damn chevy in nascar are they running ford motors? do cars with VP stickers run sunoco? HELL NO!!! Are u fuckin brain washed by these wierdo amsoil fucks or somethin!!!
@bobwatters Yeah, the Subway sponsored car has the driver chowing down on a sub while going 200 mph. :) You're getting extremely vulgar and abusive. Good day.
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@HiTechOilCo wow seriously did i say while driving? no i didnt u have no logical argument so ur trying to make childish claimes to prove me wrong! DID I NOT SAY DRINKING MONSTER WHILE ON THE PODIUM? Change my words all you want but you will never ever win this i am right! You know i am right! Your an ignorant brainwashed yuko salesman that tries to sales this retarted oil by any means necessary! you would never admit a fault in amsoil and that just shows how ignorant u are b/c nothing is perfect
@bobwatters ...years and y ears of test results, I don't think it is as good as AMSOIL, or even close. Fast food restaurants, "own", the burger market, (to borrow a phrase), but I somehow have a suspicion that the porterhouse steak served at a low volume 5 star restaurant, (that doesn't, "own the market"), will be a far better meal, eh? :)
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BTW, Amsoil's EaO's filtration efficiency has been debunked on Noria. If you intend to use their ASL oil and EaO filter then you are set for 25k miles. If you follow the manufacture's recommendation (not 3k) M1 and PureONE is the way to go not to mention way cheaper. People change out cars like they change their computers or cellphones. Worrying excessively about the car's health will only ruin your own health. My experience? Ex.Amsoil Dealer.
@ebolamonk3y - Why would I want to use Mobil 1, an oil that doesn't back up their product like AMSOIL does, and spend more money to boot? Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I can use a calculator. :) Mobil 1 is very expensive to use compared to the cost savings of AMSOIL.
@HiTechOilCo - That is total gimmick. Does Amsoil have a 300,000 mile warranty like Valvoline? No they don't. So does that mean Amsoil is an inferior oil as compared to Valvoline? Mobil 1 is very cheap compared to Amsoil IF you change at the manufacture's oil change interval stated in the owner's manual. EaO is not a great filter and I would not trust it to perform for the stated 25k miles. It is much cheaper to use PureONE and Mobil 1 vs Amsoil membership and shipping fees.
@ebolamonk3y -Yes, AMSOIL certainly does have a 300,000 mile warranty, and many more miles on top of that. AMSOIL''s warranty is not based on mileage, but simply using AMSOIL products in any vehicle and the consumer is covered for as long as they use AMSOIL products. There are no mileage limitations. :) AMSOIL saves me hundreds of dollars a year in reduced maintenance costs and improved fuel economy. If someone gave me another oil for *free*, it would still cost more money to use than AMSOIL.:)
@HiTechOilCo - The average American gets a new car every 3 years. Some also never own a car and just keep leasing cars. Now lets say that the typical ownership is below 80,000miles. The cost savings you are toting requires the person to own the car for a period beyond 100,000 to realize any "benefits." It makes no difference for leased cars that are serviced by the dealer oil change to use Amsoil as it would be MORE expensive. Same goes for the 3 year car that you own and then sell off.
@ebolamonk3y - The average motorist is now keeping their car for 5+ years and with the ever increasing prices of cars, that ownership time is increasing all the time. AMSOIL saves me hundreds of dollars per year vs other oils, no matter how long I keep my vehicles.
Amsoil claims to have Group IV basestock but the percentage and the other components of the composition remain anonymous to the general public. In reality, however, a pure Gropu IV basestock (60-70%+) is a total waste of money for the manufacturer and it only drives up the product cost. Running extended oil drain intervals is silly (i.e. 25,000 w/o a UOA). Use the car manual which says 5000-7500miles.
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TBN is a meaningless metric as it does not give any indication on how the package RETAINS the TBN over time. To find this out one would need to get a Used Oil Analysis (i.e. Blackstone Labs, $25).
This has some incorrect numbers for Mobil 1. For instance the 230*C not 224*C as they report here. Mobil 1 does not list the Fire point of the 5w30 formulation nor does it list the Volatility, Mystery Ball wear test, and many other properties that are posted here. If a lower pour point is desired use the M1 5w30 Truck SUV formulation that is -54*C rating vs. the standard -48*C or Amsoil's -51*C.
AMSOIL was the first company in the world to develop a 100% synthetic API rated motor oil and that is why AMSOIL is known as, "The First in Synthetics". :)
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I just find it funny when Amsoil salesmen use Amsoil marketing material to support their claims of superiority. Amsoil makes a very good product for the most part, but the salesmen's constant badgering, MLM structure and disingenuous bench tests are stomach turning (4-ball for motor oils :puke:). I use Severe Gear when I need gear oil quick and don't have the time to mail order Red Line gear oil (there's a local motorcycle shop that stocks Severe Gear) , but the salesmen can become tiring.
@LieKiller - You say AMSOIL uses marketing material to support their claims of superiority and you find this somehow, funny? Dare I ask what company, (that hasn't gone out of business), doesn't use marketing materials to promote their products? *All companies do*, even Pennzoil, (gasp!). But unlike Pennzoil, AMSOIL uses industry standard ASTM tests to conclusively demonstrate the performance of their products and not whiz-bang tv commercials, as Pennzoil salesmen do with their silly....
@LieKiller ...tv commercial showing a motorist driving their vehicle with pistons pumping up and down inside their chest, with the amusing statement that a motorist can somehow, "feel", their engine getting cleaned by using Pennzoil. *That* is, "tiring", and, "disingenuous", and makes consumers with half a brain want to, "puke", (to borrow a phrase). Network Marketing is a multi-billion dollar business structure, is endorsed by the Federal Trade Commission and many companies use Network....
@LieKiller ...Marketing, (or MLM as you call it), to market their products. Nothing wrong with that at all. AMSOIL is not for everyone, that's for sure. AMSOIL is not intended for consumers who would respond favorably to silly, badgering, Pennzoil tv commercials showing pistons pumping up and down inside a motorists chest, not at all. AMSOIL's market niche is for the intelligent motorist who wants a demonstrably superior product for their expensive vehicles engines. Take care.
@JohnQuincyAdams1 You speak of silly marketing, and yet Pennzoil is not the one putting forth 4-ball wear tests as a relevant motor oil evaluation method. Notice their "clean piston" pictures were obtained through IIIG testing, a relevant method, a method more relevant than ANY single bench test. :)
@LieKiller - You bet I speak of silly Pennzoil marketing. You want to debate relevancy, okay, fine; of what relevance is a silly, badgering tv advertisement showing pistons pumping up and down inside a motorists chest? roflmao
You know those silly commercials you love to mention, they show engine parts from engines run through Sequence IIIG and then torn down. Far more relevant than Amsoil's hand picked bench tests.
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 API certification includes bench tests AND ASTM certified engine testing produces with parts measured via teardown. Notice Amsoil harps on bench tests but produces little tear down results.
Shampoo, for instance, can perform well in certain bench tests, but it remains a terrible lubricant. Amsoil's ASTM benchtests paint a pretty picture, but it remains about 7/8s unfinished. lol
@LieKiller - It is sad that anyone would attempt to ignorantly degrade ASTM industry accepted tests as mere, "bench tests". Little tear down results? You are lying again.
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 "Agreed. He's just a little troll begging for attention. Pay him no mind."
I rest my case. You can't refute facts yet again so you attack, you my friend are the typical Amsoil salesman, and guys like you are the reason I quit using the product. It honestly seems like every one of you guys have a chip on your shoulder and can't take a basic debate. Like I said, you do your product no favors.
@Echeque5 It is sad that anyone would attempt to ignorantly claim that esters promote "leaks" and PAO doesn't when that is exactly the opposite of reality. It is ESTERS that provide the MOST SEAL SWELL, and exactly why most PAO based synthetics include a small ester or alkylated naphthalene component to band-aid PAO's polarity and seal swell deficiencies.
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Bench test results :yawn:
How about sequence IIIG, sequence IVA, and so on... you know ASTM tests based on actual engine tear downs. Amsoil loses so much credibility putting forth 4-ball wear test results of MOTOR oils as a relevant MOTOR OIL evaluation tool.
@phantom1900789 - No problemo. I have the test results and it's like taking candy from a baby. AMSOIL costs less than RP to boot. If you or anyone would like to see the test results of AMSOIL vs RP, just message me. Take care.
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 You have AMSOIL test results, test results commissioned by Amsoil for Amsoil, with product selections made by Amsoil. Not exactly nuetral sampling or testing, despite the test being conducted by a so called "independent lab".
Why don't you find tests commissioned by an independent third party, one who selects products randomly with zero Amsoil association with Amsoil or its dealers. Want the bet the results look a little different?
@LieKiller-There are no valid third party independent oil tests from *any oil company* anywhere in the world, to my 25+ year knowledge base. AMSOIL uses ASTM testing methodology, (American Society for Testing and Materials, industry standard tests developed by engineers), which is repeatable by anyone running the tests. So your assumption that the test results would be different is totally incorrect. This is why no competitive oil company has ever challenged the test results, as they are valid.
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 It is flat gullible to assume that ASTM can't be manipulated. Amsoil commissions a test, they submit products for sampling, how do I know they didn't go through a dozen or more batches of competitor products to find the worst batch, and do conversely with their own product.
I just hope you realize sequence IIIG, IVA, etc., the tests Pennzoil markets, and tests the API favors for oil certification purposed, are also ASTM methods.
@LieKiller - Apparently you are not aware, but ASTM testing is strictly controlled so as to make the test results meaningful. You seem to be a fan of Pennzoil, (for whatever reason), so why don't aren't you consistent and demand independent test results from Pennzoil as well? Pennzoil is owned by a foreign company, Royal Dutch Shell plc, located in Europe so purchasing Pennzoil products sends American dollars to Europe. Conversely, AMSOIL is an American company with all the products.....
@LieKiller ....made in the U.S.A., keeping Americans at work and helping our own economy. It might be wise to help our own economy and not that of a foreign country. There are reports of Shell being accused of collaborating in the arrest, detention, torture and execution of people in Nigeria. Never accepting any liability for these acts, in lawsuits filed against Shell, they agreed to pay $15.5 million in a legal settlement. Many people don't feel comfortable supporting a company like that.
TravisCadello - AMSOIL pioneered the industry way back in 1972 and has many years of a technological lead over other oil companies. RP is a comparative newbie in the synthetic oil industry.
@JohnQuincyAdams1 NEO, Chevron and others were making synthetics well before Amsoil. In fact, HATCO was behind the development of Amsoil's initial oils.
Between those 2 Amsoil would be my choice. Their transmission fluid is awesome and their motor oil is solid. Now if you don't plan on going past 10,000 miles on motor oil then just pick up some Penzoil Platinum or Mobil 1. Both can handle that job with ease and you can pick it up anywhere. Transmission Amsoil all day.
I run Amsoil in my mustangs transmission and love it. Waiting to swap out the factory fill tanny oil in my Fusion to run amsoil in it as well. If the AF moves us up north (Wash. St) Amsoil will be used in the motor as well. If I didn't have a local dealer near me it would be tough to afford it. Luckily my dealer travels and picks up Amsoil products up and saves shipping.
LoveTheyPitBull - Using AMSOIL synthetic motor oil saves me about $300 per year compared to other oils. Someone could give me a competitive oil for FREE and it would cost me more to use than AMSOIL. I'll spend $10 UPS and save $300. Tha'ts a great deal! :)
I don't have the nerves (yet) to go past 12,000 miles on motor oil. SO for me (for now) Pennzoil Platinum will work just fine. Once I'm ready to go 20+ Amsoil SSO 0w-20 all day.
LoveTheyPitBull - Pennzoil doesn't recommend extended drain intervals with their, "synthetic", oil. They are aware of what their products are capable of so it would be prudent to follow their recommendations. AMSOIL provides superior wear protection, improved fuel economy, lower emissions, easier winter starts and other benefits as well. There are many more things to consider than just drain intervals. :) Using AMSOIL synthetic motor oils saves me over $200 a year vs other oils.
"Pennzoil doesn't recommend extended drain intervals with their, "synthetic", oil. They are aware of what their products are capable of so it would be prudent to follow their recommendations."
There's more to it than that. The other problem is potential liability; Pennzoil may not want to risk opening themselves to a potential lawsuit of any kind that someone may attempt if a breakdown were to occur coincidental to observing an extended drain interval.
"Pennzoil doesn't recommend extended drain intervals with their, "synthetic", oil. They are aware of what their products are capable of so it would be prudent to follow their recommendations."
There can be more to it than that. Another problem is potential liability; Pennzoil may not want to risk opening themselves to a potential lawsuit of any kind that someone may attempt if a breakdown were to occur coincidental to observing an extended drain interval.
@JohnQuincyAdams1 Pennzoil Ultra, despite not being marketed as an extended drain oil, has a higher starting TBN than Amsoil SSO and seems to have equal TBN retention. Disregard marketing, and Ultra seems to be fully the equal of SSO on drain intervals, and Pennzoil Platinum is just a tick behind.
@LieKiller - From an individual with a screen name such as yours, telling a mis-truth is not very impressive. When we look at the Technical Data Sheet for Pennzoil Ultra, there is no TBN listing. You have to call Pennzoil's Technical Department for them to look it up and they say the TBN for Pennzoil Ultra is 11.5, which is interesting, since you claim this oil has a higher TBN than AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. When we look at the Product Data Sheet for AMSOIL however, we discover that the TBN is 13.2....
@LieKiller - Stop telling lies. If Pennzoil Ultra had a TBN of 13.5, you can be sure they would know about that, as they actually manufacture the oil. The TBN is 11.5, per PENNZOIL. You discredit everything you say when you lie.
Pennzoil Ultra 5W-20 has a TBN of 13.5, numerous VOAs of this posted on various boards. No lies here, but we do have a very uneasy Amsoil salesman. lol
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 " Not according to Pennzoil it doesn't. You really need to get out of the BITOG world and join the real world. Stop the lies."
Like I said, an Amsoil salesman very threatened by Pennzoil Ultra, an oil comparable to SSO yet cheaper and readily available. Your uneasiness is showing, JQA.
@LieKiller - Son, your abrasive attitude reveals a very insecure person. Changing Pennzoil Ultra at the mere standard drain intervals that Pennzoil recommends is not cheaper to use than AMSOIL's pioneering extended drain technology. But you know that. You're just trolling and the entire forum see's that. Go watch your cartoon network if you are so bored.
I don't need marketing to tell me what an oil is capable of, that's why we have UOAs. Out in the "real world" as you like to call it, Pennzoil Ultra has a starting TBN and TBN retention on par with SSO yet is cheaper and readily available.
The fact that you have steered away from arguing a valid point and towards attacking me shows YOU are the on insecure in your position.
@LieKiller ...for the AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. Whatever school you attended, I was taught that 13.2 is a higher number than 11.5. In fact, these TBN numbers indicate that AMSOIL SSO OW-30 has a 13% better TBN than Pennzoil Ultra, which isn't even close, as you claim it is, "just a tick behind", (yet another mis-truth). When you can beat the competition by 13%, that's substantial. Further, Pennzoil Ultra is merely a Group III, "synthetic oil", which is a Group II petroleum oil merely subjected to.....
@LieKiller ...for the AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. Don't know what school you attended, but I was taught that 13.2 is a higher number than 11.5. In fact, this proves an AMSOIL superiority of 13%, which is substantially superior to Pennzoil Ultra and not, "just a tick behind", (yet another mis-truth). Are you aware that Pennzoil Platinum is merely a Group III, "synthetic oil", which is merely a petroleum oil subjected to more refining? Group III oils cost the Big Oil industry less money to manufacture...
You show me any relevant test outside of cold temperature pump-ability where PAO shines over a good group III, such as Shell's XHVI. Group III base oils have superior polarity and solvency characteristics, in addition to "burning" just as clean as PAO.
@LieKiller ...than the Group IV PAO synthetic basestock oils, yet Big Oil charges the consumer about the same prices as Group IV synthetic basestock oils, such as AMSOIL. The words unethical, poor value to the consumer and greed might come to mind here. You say, Ultra seems to be fully the equal of SSO on drain intervals, and Pennzoil Platinum is just a tick behind? Hogwash. Another mis-truth! The substantial superiority in TBN that AMSOIL enjoys vs Pennzoil has already been proven, so now....
@LieKiller ...let's compare some other facts, instead of mis-truths. AMSOIL SSO OW-30 has a recommended and warranted drain interval of up to 35,000 miles, whereas Pennzoil Ultra and Platinum are only recommended for standard drain intervals, which would be 3,000 miles to 7,500 miles. Again, the school I went to taught me that 35,000 miles is much further than 3,000-7,500 miles. AMSOIL's superiority in drain intervals is so vast, that Pennzoil isn't even in the same league! .....
@LieKiller....looking at the Noack Volatility test results on the Technical Data Sheet for Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 are 11.9%, whereas AMSOIL SSO OW-30 is only 8.65%, an almost whopping 30% less oil evaporation and all the problems that helps to avoid, than Ultra! Again, not even close! Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 lists a Noack Volatility of 12.5%, over a whopping 30% less evaporation than AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. Yet again, not even close. AMSOIL is the industry leader.
So does Amsoil's choice in a few bench tests make them an industry leader? No, once again we have an Amsoil salesman putting forth bench tests as the be all end all. NOACK volatility is one aspect of an oil, not a single point of condemnation. I should also put forth that Platinum and Ultra are readily available and cheaper than I can obtain SSO even with Amsoil's preferred custom pricing.
@LieKiller ....looking at the Noack Volatility test results on the Technical Data Sheet for Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 are 11.9%, whereas AMSOIL SSO OW-30 is only 8.65%, an almost whopping 30% less oil evaporation and all the problems that helps to avoid, than Ultra! Again, not even close! Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 lists a Noack Volatility of 12.5%, over a whopping 30% less evaporation with AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. Yet again, not even close. AMSOIL is the industry leader.
@LieKiller. I can't find you comment in here addressed at me but yeah I messed up. Amsooil is a PAO which is a REAL synthetic. i leanrned that ester based are no better than PAO, just different chemicals to do the same functions. Amsoil takes their PURE PAO base formula and gives it the perfect additive package that no other manufacturer will want to compete with. Instead other companies market their products as JohnQuincyAdams1 said and that is cheesy commercials.
@GranFury440 Esters has numerous real, tangible benefits over a PAO. In fact, of all the base oils commonly used, group III & III+ perform most similarly to PAO.
Neither Group III nor PAO have much polarity, neither provides much seal swell, neither has particularly good solubility/solvency, neither burn cleanly. PAO has better cold temp flow and a slightly higher natural viscosity index on average, and that's about it.
@GranFury440 Esters on the other hand are INCREDIBLY polar (affinity to ferrous metal), the flow TOWARDS high head and high pressure areas (as opposed to away from them as group III & PAO do), have incredible seal swell (most ester based oils contain PAO to keep seal swell in check), excellent solvency and additive solubility, and are great natural lubricants unlike group III & PAO. They also burn MUCH cleaner than PAO (less ring desposits), and have much greater film strength characteristics
@TheChessmaster09 - At my website link posted at my channel here. I can line you up with wholesale prices. What year/make/model/engine vehicle do you have? Discount auto parts stores aren't generally the market niche of top quality products.
yep Amsoil is the best. If you guys didnt know that, then you shouldnt be workin on cars. I dont care how many motors you think you built. Trust me, take it from an indy car mechanic.
As for conventional oils... they are ALL the freakin' same! Mobil is NO better. If they are certified by the american petroleum Institute then they are all nowadays the SAME ...as long as they are the same weights with each other. As far as synthetics, Only ones like Amsoil an ester based not PAO are the most significant as real synthetics BUT..... with synthetics they all have strengths and weaknesses.
The subject matter is good, as long as you already know what they're talking about. The text is fuzzy, the explanation is minimal, nothing moves ... it's dead video. This is a really lousy "video" about a really good lubrication product, IMHO. I've been digging up info on sythetics, and I'm considering selling AMSOIL on the side. I'm not a salesman, I'm an engineer. But I think an engineer could sell this.
No, Mobil 1 is also a true synthetic oil; the one brand of oil where it's questionable whether or not it's a true synthetic would be Castrol Syntec.
However, Amsoil synthetics are superior to Mobil 1. But, the only problem with Amsoil may be availability. Fortunately for me, there are a couple of retailers that stock Amsoil products where I live.
But, to Mobil 1's credit, their synthetic oil is decent and still better than using conventional oil.
@ benutzter2. You know this whole jizzing in the engine shit is annoying. Stick to the subject. Anyhow Your nuts don't make semen your prostate does. Back to the subject Amsoil is an ester synthetic making it a true synthetic but the Mobil 1 is a PAO synthetic meaning it is a conventional oil super refined to the point of being called synthetic. However Mobil 1 is the best PAO synthetic.
Amsoil is a PAO based oil, it contains little to no esters. Even Amsoil's donut logo advertises it a "PAO formulated full synthetic". M1 seems to be a combination of group III hydrocracked mineral oil, PAO (group IV), and alkylated naphthalenes (group V).
@LieKiller - AMSOIL is a blend of different synthetic basestock that enhance each other's performance to provide the best synthetic oil in the world. Any oil company's actual formulation is proprietary and not available.
Regarding base oil, I point you to Amsoil's logo...
h t tp : / / saveonlubes. c o m / amsoil-pao-logo-200 . g i f
Amsoil salesmen love to spout to "possibility" that Amsoil contains borate esters, amines, and so forth, but would Amsoil have chosen this logo if the formula wasn't primarily PAO based?
there is a factory fill contract for a reason........ if the car manufacturers wanted the best stuff put in there motors then why doesnt it have AMSOIL on the cap?? sure mobil 1 is clearly a bigger company and what not but its bigger and better for a reason. case closed
fgators216 - Original equipment parts and lubricants are usually not the best. This is why many people modify their cars with aftermarket parts, because they want something better than stock. So it goes with automotive lubricants as well. Mobil 1 is used in many O.E. cars because Exxon/Mobil has the factory fill contract for that car company and when they want to use a synthetic, of course they use the synthetic oil from the company they are already contracted with to use. Case closed. :)
@JohnQuincyAdams1 - Synthetic from factory is a horrible idea for break-in. Amsoil doesn't publish real composition numbers in the MSDS so the public has no idea what % is PAO and how much Group III is actually used. Yes, Amsoil also uses Group III oils in the base-stock. Read the label before purchasing. Mobil 1 is the better option for those who intend to use factory specified oil change intervals. OE equipment is sufficient for the majority who don't feel like paying membership and shipping.
@ebolamonk3y - Many people want something better for their vehicles than merely factory stock products be it tires, brakes, exhaust, or oils. :) This is why many people use AMSOIL, as they want the best for their expensive engines. The cost savings AMSOIL synthetics provide are just icing on the cake. :)
@HiTechOilCo - You know I was a Amsoil dealer right? Why are you trying to sell this to me? I've already been through the coaching to say all that stuff about Amsoil. When I looked into it further myself I found out that Amsoil wasn't all that they made it out to be and quit. Furthermore paying for the membership is rather expensive. To say that someone provided with free oil maybe even filter as well is still more expensive as compared to Amsoil is absurd.
@ebolamonk3y - Yes, I know you're a quitter. I'm not trying to sell you anything. Just stating facts and not the bitter hatred being spewed. AMSOIL is certainly everything it is made out to be and that is why I have been a very successful AMSOIL dealer for the past 25+ years. $10 to obtain wholesale prices is a deal and then some. Just like paying a small fee for a Sam's Club membership and benefiting from lower prices. No difference. Anyone could give me free oil changes with *everything*...
If these graphs can be believed, then Amsoil outperformed Mobil 1 in the specified parameters. But the numerical differences were very marginal especially when considering the premium price you'll pay for Amsoil products.
If you're servicing your engine with a regular and timely dose of Mobil 1 products then I'd say you're doing a great job maintaining your machine.
Some people seem to know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
beaudarvil The percentage of the difference/superiority is substantial. AMSOIL costs less to use than Mobil 1 anyway. Better products that cost less to use = a no brainer. :)
I've been using various AMSOIL engine oils (ASL/ACD/HDD) in my engines now for several years and have been quite satisfied with them. You get what you pay for.
Negative. Both are owned by Shell, but they are different products. Different base oils and different additive packages (Lubrizol custom add pack vs Infinuem). Pennzoil is Cadillac to Quaker State's Buick, Formula Shell would be the Chevy.
KJBPj - ASTM and SAE test results are as real world proof as it gets. If you want to spend more money for Mobil 1 and not get as good an oil as AMSOIL, well, your loss.
lol wow that was a good one man your probably a fuckin cashier at mcdonalds dick weed. Your the one who needs to learn, best bang for your buck is mobil 1 hands down!!! not that castrol shit you talk about so get your dick out of your mom and learn some common sense douchebag.
Fuck mobil one they dont even dare to compare themselves on there box to amsoil but amsoil does and mobil 1 comes in most of the time 3rd best castrol is usualy a better oil than mobil 1 do your homework
hahah shows how much you know. Castrol is SHIT!!!! i wonder why over 10 major car manufacturers recommend using mobil 1?? nooo it cant be because its a good oil. Now that just wouldnt be right would it?? Dumb ass
you just showing a graph, not a real picture
gforce7800 2 months ago
Mobil1 Extended Service 5W-30 and a Amsoil Ea Oil Filter= My Mustang running stronger than others for 300K miles now. That's what works for me!
robb15033 3 months ago
@robb15033 - AMSOIL Signature Series 5W-30 with that AMSOIL Ea oil filter would be even better and last even longer, saving you money. :) I can hook up up with the savings of wholesale prices if you would like.
JohnQuincyAdams1 3 months ago
Oh My god what a load of shit, I seen data that says the complete opposite, why are Amsoil so desperate to try and discredit Mobil 1...........answer because its better and they cannot handle it bwaaah
Pathetic
QUASIWORLD 6 months ago
@QUASIWORLD - Clearly the data is from two different formula's and the poster didn't realize this. They should correct it however. As the leader in the synthetic oil industry and, "the first in synthetics", AMSOIL doesn't need to be desperate or discredit anyone. Test results are what they are and let the chips fall where they may. AMSOIL has up to a 25,000 mile recommended and warranted drain interval. Mobil 1?...uh.......
JohnQuincyAdams1 6 months ago
amsoil needs to stfu and just sell their oil lol
berryfafilling 8 months ago
@berryfafilling - So you're saying you don't want performance data, you just want marketing hoo-ha?
JohnQuincyAdams1 6 months ago 2
@crestlinersuperhawk - Industry standard tests results prove it's better. Texaco already tried to purchase AMSOIL and the CEO told them to go fly a kite. No one is every going to buy AMSOIL Inc. Not for sale. Period.
JohnQuincyAdams1 8 months ago
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May be someone made an offer and Amsoil said no. The US Trade office Issued The First in Synthetics to Amsoil. Amsoil proved to be first in time and QUALITY so the Trade Office gave them the registered trademark. Mobil 1 was given 90 days to respond along with Castrol and all the others. Not one of them responded to the Amsoil claim. Mobil 1 can make all the claims they want about nothing outperforms Mobil 1. It is not true
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Terry50031 8 months ago
THIS IS CLEARLY A NEUTRAL AND UNBIASED TEST. I AM HOLDING THE SHIFT KEY FOR EXTREME EMPHASIS.
ShitMyCatsOnFire 8 months ago
@ShitMyCatsOnFire - ASTM tests are not biased. They are proof.
JohnQuincyAdams1 8 months ago
Amsoil SSO FTMFW! I'm getting as high as 40MPG in my 24mpg EPA mixed rated Acura RSX-S. Check out the bogistheoilguy website..people have Used Oil Analysis' posted for all sorts of oil...and Amsoil goes mad miles with plenty ot TBN left. They had a guy go 30,000 miles in an S2000 with life left...crazy.
averagejoeusername 9 months ago
ok now pour this oil into an F1 engine and see it can last.
freezaxp 9 months ago
@freezaxp I honestly don't care for Amsoil, but the oil run in F1 cars practically has the consistency of water.
ShitMyCatsOnFire 8 months ago
@ShitMyCatsOnFire they have 0 viscosity but they might using different oil companies for different teams.
freezaxp 8 months ago
@freezaxp - F1 engines use specially prepared race oil that's not used on the street. Two entirely different worlds.
JohnQuincyAdams1 8 months ago
If you guys don't say so yourselves...
I never trust comparisons from the companies that sell products. Where's the 3rd party, unbiased comparison?
PocketDrummer 11 months ago
@PocketDrummer - The ASTM is the third party and is not biased. Google it.
JohnQuincyAdams1 8 months ago
Amsoil IS better than Mobile 1 and I have Mobile 1 in all my cars. The reason - much much much easier to find mobile 1 than Amsoil.
maximapitko 11 months ago
amsoil is better than Mobil 1, thats y Porsche, Corvette, and Viper's come with Mobil 1 from the factory
ftwfckyea 11 months ago
@ftwfckyea - Vehicles are modified for better performance than is available using stock parts all the time, this includes oil. There are many products that are better then O.E., (original equipment), and AMSOIL is one of them.
JohnQuincyAdams1 8 months ago
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Oh dear another advert! Put two cars side by side and examine them at intervals. I'm amazed AMSOIL have not sued the makers of MOBIL1 oil. Maybe they are not in a position to support their claims about MOBIL1 being inferior. Clever sales talk and marketing sells products as companies know the average motorist will never know the difference between oils and wouldn't care. They buy based on price, some on alleged benefits. This is where your sales team earns their money! Aim at the boy racer
urbex2007 1 year ago
@urbex2007 - Most motorists care a lot about saving money and using AMSOIL synthetic motor oils in my car saves me about $150-$200 a year. :)
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 5
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@HiTechOilCo are u just a payed amsoil spokes person i mean i see u on every video promoting it like its the only oil that anyone should ever run it realy makes me think ur just payed to say this shit and ur opinion realy means nothing
bobwatters 1 year ago
@bobwatters - I only speak of facts and the facts speak for themselves. Intelligent people make decisions based on facts, not marketing hoo-ha.
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 3
@bobwatters I just use AMSOIL because they are not Jew owned and not part of the new world order. I don't care how they sell the shit. As long as it works and my cars can take the neglect and abuse I give them.
zappatx 10 months ago
@zappatx AMEN BROTHER. WHITE POWER!!
ShitMyCatsOnFire 8 months ago
is it just me or is the scale of every draft set to exaggerate the differenced between the oils? cast in point 1:48 ...I have tried both and really couldn't tell the difference...Mobil1 is cheaper and easier to get my hand on so it's in everything I own.
masterchiefgtx 1 year ago
@masterchiefgtx - The test results are what they are, let the chips fall where they may. Mobil 1 is cheaper? I'd be surprised. How much are you paying per qt, per oil change and how many miles a year does your vehicle travel? Let's compare and let the chips fall where they may. :)
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 3
ok, these are just charts. Anyone could have made these up. What i want to see is engines competing against each other with their respective oils.
marzil 1 year ago
@marzil - The charts show the test results of standard industry acceplted, ASTM test results, (American Society for Testing and Materials). They are not made up, as that would be illegal and mega-lawsuit time. These industry accepted standard tests are how oils are compared. This is very valuable consumer information that oil companies don't generally share, except AMSOIL Inc. :)
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@marzil i like that idea i wanna see the two oils goin at it on the track with high rpms and high temps! i see so many race cars runnin mobile one! if amsoil is so great and was here first why does mobile own the market! i wanna see to cars go at it in mulitple situations and then dumb the oil and see which one is doin better for the engine!
bobwatters 1 year ago
@bobwatters - The sticker going down the side of a race car is advertising money, nothing more. It doesn't mean the product listed on that sticker is the product that's being used in that car. What racing teams really use in their equipment or not is a highly guarded secret. They are trying their darndest to win and so what they actually use in their equipment is kept very confidential, so as not to lose a competitive edge. Mobile 1 is a very good product, but based on my informed opinion of...
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 4
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@HiTechOilCo ok well i saw on another place that ur a sales man for amsoil so i realy dont care about what u say anymore it is not that much of a secret what race teams run in their engine would u put ur name on a car that didnt run ur product probably not u dont see ford logos on a chevy powered car so that kinda dumb and comparing it to fast food is dumb b/c like u said race teams are gonna use the best the normal market falls for marketers like u
bobwatters 1 year ago
@bobwatters - Again, I do apologize if you don't appreciate personalized customer service. I take great pride and satisfaction in providing personalized customer service to people and I enjoy helping people. Most people really appreciate that and value that, but everyone is different I guess. Whatever floats your boat my friend. Again, the stickers on a race car are nothing more than advertising money. Race cars are high speed billboards. It's just sponsorship/advertising, nothing more.
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 6
@bobwatters - Regarding racing and the stickers on the side of a race car, look at the race team of Jeff Gordon in NASCAR racing, one of their major sponsor's is the U.S. Army National Guard. I can't imagine they are using any army firearms or other products in their NASCAR race car, do you? The #99 car, which is sponsored by Subway, I'd have a hard time believing they are using any Subway products in that car. I mean, pickles and mayo in the gas tank? :) Etc., etc., etc.
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@HiTechOilCo wow u must be joking! That is one of the most ignorant statments i have ever read. Do you not see monster sponcered teams drink monster lable twords the cam on the podium after a supercross race! The dont put everything in the gas tank! What about a damn chevy in nascar are they running ford motors? do cars with VP stickers run sunoco? HELL NO!!! Are u fuckin brain washed by these wierdo amsoil fucks or somethin!!!
bobwatters 1 year ago
@bobwatters Yeah, the Subway sponsored car has the driver chowing down on a sub while going 200 mph. :) You're getting extremely vulgar and abusive. Good day.
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 5
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@HiTechOilCo wow seriously did i say while driving? no i didnt u have no logical argument so ur trying to make childish claimes to prove me wrong! DID I NOT SAY DRINKING MONSTER WHILE ON THE PODIUM? Change my words all you want but you will never ever win this i am right! You know i am right! Your an ignorant brainwashed yuko salesman that tries to sales this retarted oil by any means necessary! you would never admit a fault in amsoil and that just shows how ignorant u are b/c nothing is perfect
bobwatters 1 year ago
@bobwatters ...years and y ears of test results, I don't think it is as good as AMSOIL, or even close. Fast food restaurants, "own", the burger market, (to borrow a phrase), but I somehow have a suspicion that the porterhouse steak served at a low volume 5 star restaurant, (that doesn't, "own the market"), will be a far better meal, eh? :)
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Release Amsoil to the public in stores so it is easier to get. Instead of paying ridiculous prices to get it from dealers.
JayzBeerz 1 year ago
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BTW, Amsoil's EaO's filtration efficiency has been debunked on Noria. If you intend to use their ASL oil and EaO filter then you are set for 25k miles. If you follow the manufacture's recommendation (not 3k) M1 and PureONE is the way to go not to mention way cheaper. People change out cars like they change their computers or cellphones. Worrying excessively about the car's health will only ruin your own health. My experience? Ex.Amsoil Dealer.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
@ebolamonk3y - Why would I want to use Mobil 1, an oil that doesn't back up their product like AMSOIL does, and spend more money to boot? Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I can use a calculator. :) Mobil 1 is very expensive to use compared to the cost savings of AMSOIL.
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago
@HiTechOilCo - That is total gimmick. Does Amsoil have a 300,000 mile warranty like Valvoline? No they don't. So does that mean Amsoil is an inferior oil as compared to Valvoline? Mobil 1 is very cheap compared to Amsoil IF you change at the manufacture's oil change interval stated in the owner's manual. EaO is not a great filter and I would not trust it to perform for the stated 25k miles. It is much cheaper to use PureONE and Mobil 1 vs Amsoil membership and shipping fees.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
@ebolamonk3y -Yes, AMSOIL certainly does have a 300,000 mile warranty, and many more miles on top of that. AMSOIL''s warranty is not based on mileage, but simply using AMSOIL products in any vehicle and the consumer is covered for as long as they use AMSOIL products. There are no mileage limitations. :) AMSOIL saves me hundreds of dollars a year in reduced maintenance costs and improved fuel economy. If someone gave me another oil for *free*, it would still cost more money to use than AMSOIL.:)
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 8
@HiTechOilCo - The average American gets a new car every 3 years. Some also never own a car and just keep leasing cars. Now lets say that the typical ownership is below 80,000miles. The cost savings you are toting requires the person to own the car for a period beyond 100,000 to realize any "benefits." It makes no difference for leased cars that are serviced by the dealer oil change to use Amsoil as it would be MORE expensive. Same goes for the 3 year car that you own and then sell off.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
@ebolamonk3y - The average motorist is now keeping their car for 5+ years and with the ever increasing prices of cars, that ownership time is increasing all the time. AMSOIL saves me hundreds of dollars per year vs other oils, no matter how long I keep my vehicles.
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 4
Amsoil claims to have Group IV basestock but the percentage and the other components of the composition remain anonymous to the general public. In reality, however, a pure Gropu IV basestock (60-70%+) is a total waste of money for the manufacturer and it only drives up the product cost. Running extended oil drain intervals is silly (i.e. 25,000 w/o a UOA). Use the car manual which says 5000-7500miles.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
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BTW, if you research motor oils that do disclose the MSDS you will find that only a few oils are worth the money.
-Valvoline SynPower, MaxLife, Premium(Ashland), Castrol GTX(BP) uses Group III as the base stock.
-Pennzoil, QuakerState are lots of Group II mixed with little Group III's, really crappy.
-Any Generic storebrand motor oil is guaranteed to be Group I upon checking the MSDS.
-Castrol SynTec (BP), Mobil 1 (Exxon) contains true Group IV base stock with Group III's.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
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TBN is a meaningless metric as it does not give any indication on how the package RETAINS the TBN over time. To find this out one would need to get a Used Oil Analysis (i.e. Blackstone Labs, $25).
Amsoil 5w30 ASL (5quarts = 1gallon + 1quart container) = $43.15 (w/o dealer fee)
Mobil 1 5w30 Truck SUV (5quarts jug) = $21.00 + tax at local Wal-mart.
M1 MSDS discloses the PAO content (20-30%). Amsoil doesn't.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
This has some incorrect numbers for Mobil 1. For instance the 230*C not 224*C as they report here. Mobil 1 does not list the Fire point of the 5w30 formulation nor does it list the Volatility, Mystery Ball wear test, and many other properties that are posted here. If a lower pour point is desired use the M1 5w30 Truck SUV formulation that is -54*C rating vs. the standard -48*C or Amsoil's -51*C.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
AMSOIL was the first company in the world to develop a 100% synthetic API rated motor oil and that is why AMSOIL is known as, "The First in Synthetics". :)
Echeque5 1 year ago 5
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im going for ROYAL PURPLE OIL
neonoxy 1 year ago
@neonoxy - Your loss.
Echeque5 1 year ago 5
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I just find it funny when Amsoil salesmen use Amsoil marketing material to support their claims of superiority. Amsoil makes a very good product for the most part, but the salesmen's constant badgering, MLM structure and disingenuous bench tests are stomach turning (4-ball for motor oils :puke:). I use Severe Gear when I need gear oil quick and don't have the time to mail order Red Line gear oil (there's a local motorcycle shop that stocks Severe Gear) , but the salesmen can become tiring.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - You say AMSOIL uses marketing material to support their claims of superiority and you find this somehow, funny? Dare I ask what company, (that hasn't gone out of business), doesn't use marketing materials to promote their products? *All companies do*, even Pennzoil, (gasp!). But unlike Pennzoil, AMSOIL uses industry standard ASTM tests to conclusively demonstrate the performance of their products and not whiz-bang tv commercials, as Pennzoil salesmen do with their silly....
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 4
@LieKiller ...tv commercial showing a motorist driving their vehicle with pistons pumping up and down inside their chest, with the amusing statement that a motorist can somehow, "feel", their engine getting cleaned by using Pennzoil. *That* is, "tiring", and, "disingenuous", and makes consumers with half a brain want to, "puke", (to borrow a phrase). Network Marketing is a multi-billion dollar business structure, is endorsed by the Federal Trade Commission and many companies use Network....
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 4
@LieKiller ...Marketing, (or MLM as you call it), to market their products. Nothing wrong with that at all. AMSOIL is not for everyone, that's for sure. AMSOIL is not intended for consumers who would respond favorably to silly, badgering, Pennzoil tv commercials showing pistons pumping up and down inside a motorists chest, not at all. AMSOIL's market niche is for the intelligent motorist who wants a demonstrably superior product for their expensive vehicles engines. Take care.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 5
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 You speak of silly marketing, and yet Pennzoil is not the one putting forth 4-ball wear tests as a relevant motor oil evaluation method. Notice their "clean piston" pictures were obtained through IIIG testing, a relevant method, a method more relevant than ANY single bench test. :)
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - You bet I speak of silly Pennzoil marketing. You want to debate relevancy, okay, fine; of what relevance is a silly, badgering tv advertisement showing pistons pumping up and down inside a motorists chest? roflmao
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 3
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You know those silly commercials you love to mention, they show engine parts from engines run through Sequence IIIG and then torn down. Far more relevant than Amsoil's hand picked bench tests.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - ASTM tests are accepted industry standards, however silly, badgering tv commercials are not. lol
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 5
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 API certification includes bench tests AND ASTM certified engine testing produces with parts measured via teardown. Notice Amsoil harps on bench tests but produces little tear down results.
Shampoo, for instance, can perform well in certain bench tests, but it remains a terrible lubricant. Amsoil's ASTM benchtests paint a pretty picture, but it remains about 7/8s unfinished. lol
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - It is sad that anyone would attempt to ignorantly degrade ASTM industry accepted tests as mere, "bench tests". Little tear down results? You are lying again.
Echeque5 1 year ago 6
@Echeque5 - Agreed. He's just a little troll begging for attention. Pay him no mind.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 6
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 "Agreed. He's just a little troll begging for attention. Pay him no mind."
I rest my case. You can't refute facts yet again so you attack, you my friend are the typical Amsoil salesman, and guys like you are the reason I quit using the product. It honestly seems like every one of you guys have a chip on your shoulder and can't take a basic debate. Like I said, you do your product no favors.
LieKiller 1 year ago
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@Echeque5 ASTM has many testing procedures, and the ones Amsoil likes to focus on ARE the bench tests.
The tear down tests I am referring to are also ASTM industry accepted tests. Why doesn't Amsoil focus on these?
ASTM D 6891
ASTM D7320
You know, the ASTM test Pennzoil uses.
LieKiller 1 year ago
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@Echeque5 It is sad that anyone would attempt to ignorantly claim that esters promote "leaks" and PAO doesn't when that is exactly the opposite of reality. It is ESTERS that provide the MOST SEAL SWELL, and exactly why most PAO based synthetics include a small ester or alkylated naphthalene component to band-aid PAO's polarity and seal swell deficiencies.
LieKiller 1 year ago
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Bench test results :yawn:
How about sequence IIIG, sequence IVA, and so on... you know ASTM tests based on actual engine tear downs. Amsoil loses so much credibility putting forth 4-ball wear test results of MOTOR oils as a relevant MOTOR OIL evaluation tool.
LieKiller 1 year ago
what I would like to see is Amsoil vs Royal Purple
phantom1900789 1 year ago
@phantom1900789 - No problemo. I have the test results and it's like taking candy from a baby. AMSOIL costs less than RP to boot. If you or anyone would like to see the test results of AMSOIL vs RP, just message me. Take care.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 7
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 You have AMSOIL test results, test results commissioned by Amsoil for Amsoil, with product selections made by Amsoil. Not exactly nuetral sampling or testing, despite the test being conducted by a so called "independent lab".
Why don't you find tests commissioned by an independent third party, one who selects products randomly with zero Amsoil association with Amsoil or its dealers. Want the bet the results look a little different?
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller-There are no valid third party independent oil tests from *any oil company* anywhere in the world, to my 25+ year knowledge base. AMSOIL uses ASTM testing methodology, (American Society for Testing and Materials, industry standard tests developed by engineers), which is repeatable by anyone running the tests. So your assumption that the test results would be different is totally incorrect. This is why no competitive oil company has ever challenged the test results, as they are valid.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 5
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 It is flat gullible to assume that ASTM can't be manipulated. Amsoil commissions a test, they submit products for sampling, how do I know they didn't go through a dozen or more batches of competitor products to find the worst batch, and do conversely with their own product.
I just hope you realize sequence IIIG, IVA, etc., the tests Pennzoil markets, and tests the API favors for oil certification purposed, are also ASTM methods.
I am not a Pennzoil fan, per say.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - Apparently you are not aware, but ASTM testing is strictly controlled so as to make the test results meaningful. You seem to be a fan of Pennzoil, (for whatever reason), so why don't aren't you consistent and demand independent test results from Pennzoil as well? Pennzoil is owned by a foreign company, Royal Dutch Shell plc, located in Europe so purchasing Pennzoil products sends American dollars to Europe. Conversely, AMSOIL is an American company with all the products.....
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 6
@LieKiller ....made in the U.S.A., keeping Americans at work and helping our own economy. It might be wise to help our own economy and not that of a foreign country. There are reports of Shell being accused of collaborating in the arrest, detention, torture and execution of people in Nigeria. Never accepting any liability for these acts, in lawsuits filed against Shell, they agreed to pay $15.5 million in a legal settlement. Many people don't feel comfortable supporting a company like that.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 7
Seriously someone let me know which is better that Amsoil or Royal Purple?
Thanks
TravisCadello 2 years ago
TravisCadello - AMSOIL pioneered the industry way back in 1972 and has many years of a technological lead over other oil companies. RP is a comparative newbie in the synthetic oil industry.
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 NEO, Chevron and others were making synthetics well before Amsoil. In fact, HATCO was behind the development of Amsoil's initial oils.
LieKiller 1 year ago
Between those 2 Amsoil would be my choice. Their transmission fluid is awesome and their motor oil is solid. Now if you don't plan on going past 10,000 miles on motor oil then just pick up some Penzoil Platinum or Mobil 1. Both can handle that job with ease and you can pick it up anywhere. Transmission Amsoil all day.
LoveThyPitBull 2 years ago 2
I run Amsoil in my mustangs transmission and love it. Waiting to swap out the factory fill tanny oil in my Fusion to run amsoil in it as well. If the AF moves us up north (Wash. St) Amsoil will be used in the motor as well. If I didn't have a local dealer near me it would be tough to afford it. Luckily my dealer travels and picks up Amsoil products up and saves shipping.
LoveThyPitBull 2 years ago
LoveTheyPitBull - Using AMSOIL synthetic motor oil saves me about $300 per year compared to other oils. Someone could give me a competitive oil for FREE and it would cost me more to use than AMSOIL. I'll spend $10 UPS and save $300. Tha'ts a great deal! :)
JohnQuincyAdams1 2 years ago 5
I don't have the nerves (yet) to go past 12,000 miles on motor oil. SO for me (for now) Pennzoil Platinum will work just fine. Once I'm ready to go 20+ Amsoil SSO 0w-20 all day.
LoveThyPitBull 2 years ago
LoveTheyPitBull - Pennzoil doesn't recommend extended drain intervals with their, "synthetic", oil. They are aware of what their products are capable of so it would be prudent to follow their recommendations. AMSOIL provides superior wear protection, improved fuel economy, lower emissions, easier winter starts and other benefits as well. There are many more things to consider than just drain intervals. :) Using AMSOIL synthetic motor oils saves me over $200 a year vs other oils.
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"Pennzoil doesn't recommend extended drain intervals with their, "synthetic", oil. They are aware of what their products are capable of so it would be prudent to follow their recommendations."
There's more to it than that. The other problem is potential liability; Pennzoil may not want to risk opening themselves to a potential lawsuit of any kind that someone may attempt if a breakdown were to occur coincidental to observing an extended drain interval.
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@JohnQuincyAdams1
"Pennzoil doesn't recommend extended drain intervals with their, "synthetic", oil. They are aware of what their products are capable of so it would be prudent to follow their recommendations."
There can be more to it than that. Another problem is potential liability; Pennzoil may not want to risk opening themselves to a potential lawsuit of any kind that someone may attempt if a breakdown were to occur coincidental to observing an extended drain interval.
Watcher3223 1 year ago
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 Pennzoil Ultra, despite not being marketed as an extended drain oil, has a higher starting TBN than Amsoil SSO and seems to have equal TBN retention. Disregard marketing, and Ultra seems to be fully the equal of SSO on drain intervals, and Pennzoil Platinum is just a tick behind.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - From an individual with a screen name such as yours, telling a mis-truth is not very impressive. When we look at the Technical Data Sheet for Pennzoil Ultra, there is no TBN listing. You have to call Pennzoil's Technical Department for them to look it up and they say the TBN for Pennzoil Ultra is 11.5, which is interesting, since you claim this oil has a higher TBN than AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. When we look at the Product Data Sheet for AMSOIL however, we discover that the TBN is 13.2....
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 8
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Pennzoil Ultra has been showing a TBN of 13.5 in VOAs.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - Stop telling lies. If Pennzoil Ultra had a TBN of 13.5, you can be sure they would know about that, as they actually manufacture the oil. The TBN is 11.5, per PENNZOIL. You discredit everything you say when you lie.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 4
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@JohnQuincyAdams1
Pennzoil Ultra 5W-20 has a TBN of 13.5, numerous VOAs of this posted on various boards. No lies here, but we do have a very uneasy Amsoil salesman. lol
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - Not according to Pennzoil it doesn't. You really need to get out of the BITOG world and join the real world. Stop the lies.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 6
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@JohnQuincyAdams1 " Not according to Pennzoil it doesn't. You really need to get out of the BITOG world and join the real world. Stop the lies."
Like I said, an Amsoil salesman very threatened by Pennzoil Ultra, an oil comparable to SSO yet cheaper and readily available. Your uneasiness is showing, JQA.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - Son, your abrasive attitude reveals a very insecure person. Changing Pennzoil Ultra at the mere standard drain intervals that Pennzoil recommends is not cheaper to use than AMSOIL's pioneering extended drain technology. But you know that. You're just trolling and the entire forum see's that. Go watch your cartoon network if you are so bored.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 14
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@JohnQuincyAdams1
I don't need marketing to tell me what an oil is capable of, that's why we have UOAs. Out in the "real world" as you like to call it, Pennzoil Ultra has a starting TBN and TBN retention on par with SSO yet is cheaper and readily available.
The fact that you have steered away from arguing a valid point and towards attacking me shows YOU are the on insecure in your position.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller ...for the AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. Whatever school you attended, I was taught that 13.2 is a higher number than 11.5. In fact, these TBN numbers indicate that AMSOIL SSO OW-30 has a 13% better TBN than Pennzoil Ultra, which isn't even close, as you claim it is, "just a tick behind", (yet another mis-truth). When you can beat the competition by 13%, that's substantial. Further, Pennzoil Ultra is merely a Group III, "synthetic oil", which is a Group II petroleum oil merely subjected to.....
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 6
@LieKiller ...for the AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. Don't know what school you attended, but I was taught that 13.2 is a higher number than 11.5. In fact, this proves an AMSOIL superiority of 13%, which is substantially superior to Pennzoil Ultra and not, "just a tick behind", (yet another mis-truth). Are you aware that Pennzoil Platinum is merely a Group III, "synthetic oil", which is merely a petroleum oil subjected to more refining? Group III oils cost the Big Oil industry less money to manufacture...
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 5
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You show me any relevant test outside of cold temperature pump-ability where PAO shines over a good group III, such as Shell's XHVI. Group III base oils have superior polarity and solvency characteristics, in addition to "burning" just as clean as PAO.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller ...than the Group IV PAO synthetic basestock oils, yet Big Oil charges the consumer about the same prices as Group IV synthetic basestock oils, such as AMSOIL. The words unethical, poor value to the consumer and greed might come to mind here. You say, Ultra seems to be fully the equal of SSO on drain intervals, and Pennzoil Platinum is just a tick behind? Hogwash. Another mis-truth! The substantial superiority in TBN that AMSOIL enjoys vs Pennzoil has already been proven, so now....
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 3
@LieKiller ...let's compare some other facts, instead of mis-truths. AMSOIL SSO OW-30 has a recommended and warranted drain interval of up to 35,000 miles, whereas Pennzoil Ultra and Platinum are only recommended for standard drain intervals, which would be 3,000 miles to 7,500 miles. Again, the school I went to taught me that 35,000 miles is much further than 3,000-7,500 miles. AMSOIL's superiority in drain intervals is so vast, that Pennzoil isn't even in the same league! .....
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 3
@LieKiller....looking at the Noack Volatility test results on the Technical Data Sheet for Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 are 11.9%, whereas AMSOIL SSO OW-30 is only 8.65%, an almost whopping 30% less oil evaporation and all the problems that helps to avoid, than Ultra! Again, not even close! Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 lists a Noack Volatility of 12.5%, over a whopping 30% less evaporation than AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. Yet again, not even close. AMSOIL is the industry leader.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 2
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So does Amsoil's choice in a few bench tests make them an industry leader? No, once again we have an Amsoil salesman putting forth bench tests as the be all end all. NOACK volatility is one aspect of an oil, not a single point of condemnation. I should also put forth that Platinum and Ultra are readily available and cheaper than I can obtain SSO even with Amsoil's preferred custom pricing.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller ....looking at the Noack Volatility test results on the Technical Data Sheet for Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 are 11.9%, whereas AMSOIL SSO OW-30 is only 8.65%, an almost whopping 30% less oil evaporation and all the problems that helps to avoid, than Ultra! Again, not even close! Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 lists a Noack Volatility of 12.5%, over a whopping 30% less evaporation with AMSOIL SSO 0W-30. Yet again, not even close. AMSOIL is the industry leader.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago
@LieKiller. I can't find you comment in here addressed at me but yeah I messed up. Amsooil is a PAO which is a REAL synthetic. i leanrned that ester based are no better than PAO, just different chemicals to do the same functions. Amsoil takes their PURE PAO base formula and gives it the perfect additive package that no other manufacturer will want to compete with. Instead other companies market their products as JohnQuincyAdams1 said and that is cheesy commercials.
GranFury440 1 year ago 3
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@GranFury440 Esters has numerous real, tangible benefits over a PAO. In fact, of all the base oils commonly used, group III & III+ perform most similarly to PAO.
Neither Group III nor PAO have much polarity, neither provides much seal swell, neither has particularly good solubility/solvency, neither burn cleanly. PAO has better cold temp flow and a slightly higher natural viscosity index on average, and that's about it.
LieKiller 1 year ago
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@GranFury440 Esters on the other hand are INCREDIBLY polar (affinity to ferrous metal), the flow TOWARDS high head and high pressure areas (as opposed to away from them as group III & PAO do), have incredible seal swell (most ester based oils contain PAO to keep seal swell in check), excellent solvency and additive solubility, and are great natural lubricants unlike group III & PAO. They also burn MUCH cleaner than PAO (less ring desposits), and have much greater film strength characteristics
LieKiller 1 year ago
@JohnQuincyAdams1 - Pennzoil is a cheap Group II/III synthetic. Check the MSDS.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
@JohnQuincyAdams1 where can i find Amsoil? do Autozone or Pepboys carry this fountain of youth oil?
TheChessmaster09 1 year ago
@TheChessmaster09 - At my website link posted at my channel here. I can line you up with wholesale prices. What year/make/model/engine vehicle do you have? Discount auto parts stores aren't generally the market niche of top quality products.
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago
yep Amsoil is the best. If you guys didnt know that, then you shouldnt be workin on cars. I dont care how many motors you think you built. Trust me, take it from an indy car mechanic.
prerunner1500 2 years ago 3
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how can u trust a brand of oil that has the word "soil" in it?
gecho82ss 2 years ago
All i know is what i know, And for me Mobil is the best oil i have found (and i've used them all) conventional or synthetic
teto1957 2 years ago
As for conventional oils... they are ALL the freakin' same! Mobil is NO better. If they are certified by the american petroleum Institute then they are all nowadays the SAME ...as long as they are the same weights with each other. As far as synthetics, Only ones like Amsoil an ester based not PAO are the most significant as real synthetics BUT..... with synthetics they all have strengths and weaknesses.
GranFury440 2 years ago 2
девченки не сорьтесь,меняйте масло через 3500 и все будет у вас хорошо
denverman100 2 years ago
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cooking oil is the best bitches!!!
mcarino98 2 years ago
The subject matter is good, as long as you already know what they're talking about. The text is fuzzy, the explanation is minimal, nothing moves ... it's dead video. This is a really lousy "video" about a really good lubrication product, IMHO. I've been digging up info on sythetics, and I'm considering selling AMSOIL on the side. I'm not a salesman, I'm an engineer. But I think an engineer could sell this.
1voiceofrezon 2 years ago 2
Amsoil is a TRUE 100% Synthetic oil, Mobil 1 is not.
baddermopho 2 years ago 3
@baddermopho
No, Mobil 1 is also a true synthetic oil; the one brand of oil where it's questionable whether or not it's a true synthetic would be Castrol Syntec.
However, Amsoil synthetics are superior to Mobil 1. But, the only problem with Amsoil may be availability. Fortunately for me, there are a couple of retailers that stock Amsoil products where I live.
But, to Mobil 1's credit, their synthetic oil is decent and still better than using conventional oil.
Watcher3223 1 year ago
my sweat glands secrete synthetic oil and i just collect that and use it in my vehicle nothing out performs that shit...
BMWWHEELMAN 2 years ago
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I just cum inside of the cylinders. nothing out perfroms that shit
docchavez44 2 years ago
Did you know semen is better? But I doubt you have enough testicle to produce that much semen...
benutzer2 2 years ago
@ benutzter2. You know this whole jizzing in the engine shit is annoying. Stick to the subject. Anyhow Your nuts don't make semen your prostate does. Back to the subject Amsoil is an ester synthetic making it a true synthetic but the Mobil 1 is a PAO synthetic meaning it is a conventional oil super refined to the point of being called synthetic. However Mobil 1 is the best PAO synthetic.
GranFury440 2 years ago
Lol but the prostate doesn't supply the workers to repair the engine ;-)
benutzer2 2 years ago
Thats interesting...i never quie understood the synthetic concept. I have had great luck with Mobil 1..however I heard Amsoil is very good as well
gtz1100kmf 2 years ago 4
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@GranFury440
Amsoil is a PAO based oil, it contains little to no esters. Even Amsoil's donut logo advertises it a "PAO formulated full synthetic". M1 seems to be a combination of group III hydrocracked mineral oil, PAO (group IV), and alkylated naphthalenes (group V).
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller - AMSOIL is a blend of different synthetic basestock that enhance each other's performance to provide the best synthetic oil in the world. Any oil company's actual formulation is proprietary and not available.
JohnQuincyAdams1 1 year ago 2
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Regarding base oil, I point you to Amsoil's logo...
h t tp : / / saveonlubes. c o m / amsoil-pao-logo-200 . g i f
Amsoil salesmen love to spout to "possibility" that Amsoil contains borate esters, amines, and so forth, but would Amsoil have chosen this logo if the formula wasn't primarily PAO based?
You do your product no favors.
LieKiller 1 year ago
Nothing beats regular oil changes in Severe Service guide on owners manual.
The difference will be noticeable in the labs, but not in the real-world.
Regular oil changes, tune up, transmission oil change.
Fuel injector flush...all these will get your performance back.
upallhours9 2 years ago
there is a factory fill contract for a reason........ if the car manufacturers wanted the best stuff put in there motors then why doesnt it have AMSOIL on the cap?? sure mobil 1 is clearly a bigger company and what not but its bigger and better for a reason. case closed
fgators216 2 years ago
fgators216 - Original equipment parts and lubricants are usually not the best. This is why many people modify their cars with aftermarket parts, because they want something better than stock. So it goes with automotive lubricants as well. Mobil 1 is used in many O.E. cars because Exxon/Mobil has the factory fill contract for that car company and when they want to use a synthetic, of course they use the synthetic oil from the company they are already contracted with to use. Case closed. :)
JohnQuincyAdams1 2 years ago 25
@JohnQuincyAdams1 - Synthetic from factory is a horrible idea for break-in. Amsoil doesn't publish real composition numbers in the MSDS so the public has no idea what % is PAO and how much Group III is actually used. Yes, Amsoil also uses Group III oils in the base-stock. Read the label before purchasing. Mobil 1 is the better option for those who intend to use factory specified oil change intervals. OE equipment is sufficient for the majority who don't feel like paying membership and shipping.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
@ebolamonk3y - Many people want something better for their vehicles than merely factory stock products be it tires, brakes, exhaust, or oils. :) This is why many people use AMSOIL, as they want the best for their expensive engines. The cost savings AMSOIL synthetics provide are just icing on the cake. :)
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 14
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@HiTechOilCo - You know I was a Amsoil dealer right? Why are you trying to sell this to me? I've already been through the coaching to say all that stuff about Amsoil. When I looked into it further myself I found out that Amsoil wasn't all that they made it out to be and quit. Furthermore paying for the membership is rather expensive. To say that someone provided with free oil maybe even filter as well is still more expensive as compared to Amsoil is absurd.
ebolamonk3y 1 year ago
@ebolamonk3y - Yes, I know you're a quitter. I'm not trying to sell you anything. Just stating facts and not the bitter hatred being spewed. AMSOIL is certainly everything it is made out to be and that is why I have been a very successful AMSOIL dealer for the past 25+ years. $10 to obtain wholesale prices is a deal and then some. Just like paying a small fee for a Sam's Club membership and benefiting from lower prices. No difference. Anyone could give me free oil changes with *everything*...
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 6
@ebolamonk3y ...included and it would still cost me more to use than AMSOIL synthetic motor oils. :)
HiTechOilCo 1 year ago 7
If these graphs can be believed, then Amsoil outperformed Mobil 1 in the specified parameters. But the numerical differences were very marginal especially when considering the premium price you'll pay for Amsoil products.
If you're servicing your engine with a regular and timely dose of Mobil 1 products then I'd say you're doing a great job maintaining your machine.
Some people seem to know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Just my opinion.
beaudarvil 2 years ago
beaudarvil The percentage of the difference/superiority is substantial. AMSOIL costs less to use than Mobil 1 anyway. Better products that cost less to use = a no brainer. :)
Echeque5 2 years ago
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all of you are idiots, Valvoline fully synthetic is the best oil than mobil 1 & castrol & amsoil...
nagkandautot2006 2 years ago
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hpichris 2 years ago
nagkandautot2006 - What evidence do you have to support your wild proclamation? Just the facts. :)
Echeque5 2 years ago
you guys are loser. hahahaha, u dont want mobil 1 coz u dont have guts and money to buy it hahaha
acalvendia 2 years ago
I've been using various AMSOIL engine oils (ASL/ACD/HDD) in my engines now for several years and have been quite satisfied with them. You get what you pay for.
NipkowDisk 2 years ago
buy qucker over mobil 1 quacker is far good motor oil not bad for your motor engine
1Starwar1 2 years ago
Quaker state conventional oil has a high paraffin (wax) content. Valvoline conventional oil is better. Nothing is better than Amsoil though.
WJ2W 2 years ago 4
Quaker State does NOT have a high paraffin content,I know Pennzoil does but QS does not it has a low percentage
Paraffin is a good thing not bad thing its found in every single motor oil out there even Amsoil
The stories about wax build up in the engine is bullshit
My friend has been using oils with high paraffin level in his F150 and that motor is clean as can be and there isnt any wax build up in that engine
give me a fucking break
ChevroletBowtie 2 years ago
@ChevroletBowtie. Quaker state and Pennzoil are the same damn companies with the same conventional oils.
GranFury440 1 year ago 2
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@GranFury440
Negative. Both are owned by Shell, but they are different products. Different base oils and different additive packages (Lubrizol custom add pack vs Infinuem). Pennzoil is Cadillac to Quaker State's Buick, Formula Shell would be the Chevy.
LieKiller 1 year ago
Quaker State synth is the best i find on the market. I had great results with it
PaulWood1346 2 years ago
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castrol is way more better then mobil 1
1Starwar1 2 years ago
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hpichris 2 years ago
this graph shit is not real world proof,and Mobile 1 is a great bang for you buck rgardless. Mobil 1 tell the end!
KJBPj 3 years ago
KJBPj - ASTM and SAE test results are as real world proof as it gets. If you want to spend more money for Mobil 1 and not get as good an oil as AMSOIL, well, your loss.
Echeque5 2 years ago 2
lol wow that was a good one man your probably a fuckin cashier at mcdonalds dick weed. Your the one who needs to learn, best bang for your buck is mobil 1 hands down!!! not that castrol shit you talk about so get your dick out of your mom and learn some common sense douchebag.
fgators216 3 years ago
Fuck mobil one they dont even dare to compare themselves on there box to amsoil but amsoil does and mobil 1 comes in most of the time 3rd best castrol is usualy a better oil than mobil 1 do your homework
giovanigta 3 years ago
hahah shows how much you know. Castrol is SHIT!!!! i wonder why over 10 major car manufacturers recommend using mobil 1?? nooo it cant be because its a good oil. Now that just wouldnt be right would it?? Dumb ass
fgators216 3 years ago