As an ex-engineer I can tell you that even the the manufacturer may know it best, I never came across a piece of machinary that I couldn't work out how it worked given enough time. It will be the same with life.
The problem with religion is that it assumes that anything it doesn't understand, is not able to be understood, therefore it must be god; end of story.
Religion does not give you any answers. It just stops you asking any questions.
@DarkHelixVII I think the dictionary definition sums it up:
Re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn] Noun:
A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
This man is condescending in his demeanor and obviously bias in his expression. The way he continually seeks acceptance by blurting out rapid sections of the Koran in quick succession makes him appear childish. Additionally, he mentions ideas validated by science which appear in the Koran but not the ones which are not validated by science but appear in the Koran. Pig eating, for instance, has been disproved by science but written about in the Koran. Talk about that Dr. Zakir Naik, if you can.
This is know as the watchmaker argument, and it is an example of circular logic. You begin with the conclusion that there must be a manufacturer in an attempt to prove god. There is no reason to make this assumption other than intellectual laziness.
@ncawadias Very much true. The only argument I know that intelligently refutes "Paley's Watchmaker" argument is the "Infinite Monkey Theorem". Problem w/ that is that the monkey theorem itself is fallible and isn't completely superimposable. In the end, all arguments make an assumption. It's just a matter of whether we believe 'em or not.
The atheist wouldn't sit around looking for an explanation from some one else, like a blind believer, but he would try to understand it himself. That's the difference between an atheist and a believer in god, or a theist. He would use his rational thought and reason to figure it out. It is awful how this speaker suggests things about atheism, but knows nothing about it.
@Pillage4Pleasure Blindness is an ailment of both theists and atheists alike, but you got a point. I can't imagine an atheist that would humor this guy that long. lol
You give the analogy that God knows everything about us like the creator of an object knows about that things. it is very reasonable. But in addition, creator also knows how to fix his created as well as how to improve its quality. if your God is a creator of our world, he would have made our world better everyday. Bur in reality, he does not seem give a damn about us, not even his followers Muslims--always killing and fighting in Muslin world. Give me another reason to believe your shit.
the idea that the earth was orbiting the sun is called heliocentrism and was first proposed by Philolaus a Pythagorean philosopher from 390 BC...again...long before Islam
LOL the big bang in th Qur'an 1400 yrs ago? Moon light? These things were postulated by the ancient greeks long before the Islamic superstition took hold in the ignorant minds of arabs in the coming centuries.
@TheSteveMedia you are making illusions in the eyes of people. according to Greeks Earth(Gaia) emerged from Chaos,a yawning nothingness and then Gaia gave birth to Oranos(sky) without male assistance.This only make me laugh.
funny thing is u people used to quote these type of funny things, but u never gonna accept what is written in Quran is true
@sasacal786 I did not intend to flag ur response. You may say the greeks were silly for proposing gaia and all that and I agree to an extent. They were operating in the same kind of ignorance we live in today. Except today we have advanced science. However, a lot of the famous greek philosophers were also mathematicians, and they calculated and knew that the light of the moon was reflected by "the great" fire, they knew the earth wasn't the center of the universe, they knew the earth was round.
How come when I go to a christian channel an some guy is saying the same thing. All i see down below is horrible disrespectful comments; but here i see every one is being respectful. There is actually good comments thumbed up. I mean Jews and Muslims our both the sons of Abraham and they essentially descend from the same god. Ishmael= Muslim Issac=Jew . We Christians come from the same god as well. Why is it that we are the most hated. Is it because we accept Jesus as the messiah.
@machinedean100 i don't think you are most hated.you feel that just by some bad comments in your vidz just think of Muslims who are brutally killed by Christians n Jews n Hindus around the world!
Jesus or Essa is the messiah when Antichrist or dajjal will came most people around the wold will accept him as god because of his powers and only few Muslims will not accept him as god n the Jesus will gather the Muslims and will fight against dajjal or Antichrist and will win!we respect Jesus very mu
@sasacal786 Cool, I thought we were enemy's because of the way our culture presents you guys; But apparently we are not. It is nice to see a forum where people are showing respect to god. When ever I go to a christian forum all I see is bad comments toward god and to his people. It ticks me off.
@machinedean100 its the media that controls the people perceptions that how they work and they are successful!all the mainstream media are satanic media! Muslims always give respect to Allah which is true God! name of the Jesus(Essa ) are recited in our prayers because it is said by Allah to do so.
when u say, a creator created the creation...you forget that the creator exists in the same realm as the created. They are both perceivable. What muslims do with god is use this same theoretical situation, except they pull the creator out of space and time and tell you that because we exist, there must be a creator, even though you can't perceive him. Oh and that if you doubt, you should be beheaded by a follower of faith... I say "NO THANK YOU" to Islam and I look forward to burning in hell...
@TheSteveMedia I'm a muslim, a born Muslim and i've recently started my hunt for answers, convincing answers, that actually make sense and not something imposed on me. my knowledge about Islam is pretty limited and no one is beheading me for questioning things that dont make sense. so please no need to get nasty. :)
@Sw33TxPi3 I've only repeated why I read in the Qur'an. "convincing answers that make sense" when you say something like this it doesn't make sense because you assume that something like god could even be understood. it is just as likely that logic isn't something that can explain our existence. Quantum physics operate completely counter intuitive. To say allah is outside of space and time but not outside of logic, is contradictory...
@TheSteveMedia who say you to become Muslim your reply shouldnt be like that 'NO THANK YOU TO ISLAM" it shud b like "THANK YOU ATHEISM " no one is compelling you!
I'm an atheist, this is terrible reasoning. Just arguments from authority, tradition, ignorance, circular reasoning, begging the ?, non sequitur, composition fallacy, conformation bias, loaded ?, observational selection fallacy, reification fallacy, special pleading, use-mention fallacy, confusion of correlation with causation, and misrepresentation of statistics. I hope you will forgive me for making a list of some of the logical fallacies this man uses.
@sasacal786 moderate muslims aren't really muslims because one of the foundations of muslim faith is the belief that the qur'an is the final and perfect word of allah... moderates don't take everything written in the qur'an seriously...so they only "moderately" believe in allah and his perfection...
@TheSteveMedia dude i m not talking abt the moderate muslims!.well wht is meant by moderate muslims:? i was talking abt the scientific exploration has been made today is already written in Quran!
@TheSteveMedia the is no moderation in believing a truth.Suppose u knw anything that is true.it can be either yes or not their is no moderation in it!and other thing every normal human make mistakes that dosnt mean they are not following Quran,If he repent on his sin Allah will forgive him unless it is shirk(Denying Allah) which Allah says is not forgivable!
@sasacal786 what you call "truth" is actually a conclusion drawn from acouple logical fallacies. At the foundation of your belief is the belief that logic can be used to explain existence, when in the natural world, Quantum physics is something scientifically studied that does not operate by logical methods.
@sasacal786 the second fallacy is the watchmaker argument. Just because we exist isn't proof of a creator. It is only proof that we exist. Again, a jump to a logically false conclusion.
"So who made allah? according to your perverted islamic logic "everything has a maker." " <--- Al-Ikhlas verse 2 "He begetteth not nor was begotten."
*sigh* The theorys this guy says were fist thought of in the koran was actually first discoverd 500 to 1000 years befor the koran was written by the greeks.
according to that evrything have to have a maker and we ll get not because you have to believe that allah god or whatever you want to call him is the creator the 1st and last he is the bigginer the 1st creator the one no one creat him no one before him no one after him your way of thinking will lead you nowhere good luck i hope we can talk more and with a good manner so we can both help each other to know far from hate or bad words good night
what a fucking moron. who then was the mechanic, creator, maker, etc. of allah? or of god, for that matter. how can you follow a train of thought to arrive at "x" and then deny that same train of thought to that concept "x?" Did this idiot flunk kindergarten, or is he aware that he's preaching to crowd full of brainless monkeys?
at least he is more polite then you may allah forgive you and guid you .i am sure you will regret one day mr nothing may allah forgive you and replace your blidness to light ameen
This was simply the speaker's analogy. You just found one error in his logic (which is completely irrelevant to the point he's trying to make) and attacked it.
"Everything has a maker" is NOT necessarily Islamic logic.
I am PROUD I attacked an error in logic. And I agree with you: "everything has a maker" is certainly NOT Islamic logic. There IS no Islamic logic, period. That exclusion for everything having a maker is set up to shield muslims from the pertinent question "who made this allah guy," or, equivalently "where did this allah guy come from."
@hypertachyon Everything in universe is created by Allah, some of the facts u came to know in this video, and ur mind willing to accept that Islam has holy book which is Quran which is full of truth, So it is in Quran Allah says"Allah is neither anybody's son nor anyone's father".Read the Quran or watch dr zakir naik's videos u will get the knowledge if u wanted to get it!
@hypertachyon If u have eyes these are the proofs and Quran might be ancient but not wrong.Acutally u have nothing know about what is written in Quran and u people start opposing it! let me ask u sum questions "who are you?" "who made you?" "from where you came?" what your purpose to be on earth?" where you will gone after death?" give me answers with logic n no beating abt bush! waiting for reply
@hypertachyon huh reply just for the sake of reply! its been 5 months u have watched it so watch it again n turn ur ear on where he said about big bang which modern science talking about is written by Allah in Quran 1400 years ago!
@mafiadondogg Whaaaaat? You're trying to "prove" some stupid book by reading from the same stupid book in order to "prove" it? That's like saying " X proves Y because Y proves X." More evidence that muslims are insane and that allah is a fake.
In other videos of Zakir Naik's i see many christians, hindus etc objecting Islam and saying slangs !!!! ...Why dont i see any of them here ? .... I guess they have nothing to say now. That was very well proved by Dr Zakir Naik no1 can ever question this. May Allah's blessing be upon u for uploading this video.
ALLAHUAKBAR.............SUBHAANALLAH.....JazakALLAH khair for posting this video Brother!!!This video Opens The Eyes Of Every Athiests......!!!!MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL.....AND MAY HE BLESS OUR BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMED(PBUH).......AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN...........
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD ONLY HIM AND OH YEAH AND EVERY KNEE WILL BOW BEFORE HIS THRONE MARK MY WORDS!
darwill1000 3 months ago
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DarkHelixVII 1 month ago
As an ex-engineer I can tell you that even the the manufacturer may know it best, I never came across a piece of machinary that I couldn't work out how it worked given enough time. It will be the same with life.
The problem with religion is that it assumes that anything it doesn't understand, is not able to be understood, therefore it must be god; end of story.
Religion does not give you any answers. It just stops you asking any questions.
Genechanger 3 months ago
@Genechanger That, my friend, depends on how you define religion.
DarkHelixVII 1 month ago
@DarkHelixVII I think the dictionary definition sums it up:
Re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn] Noun:
A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Does that make it clear?
Genechanger 1 month ago
This man is condescending in his demeanor and obviously bias in his expression. The way he continually seeks acceptance by blurting out rapid sections of the Koran in quick succession makes him appear childish. Additionally, he mentions ideas validated by science which appear in the Koran but not the ones which are not validated by science but appear in the Koran. Pig eating, for instance, has been disproved by science but written about in the Koran. Talk about that Dr. Zakir Naik, if you can.
safakd19 5 months ago
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fuck allah!!! the fake moon god
gayboysbutt 8 months ago
This is know as the watchmaker argument, and it is an example of circular logic. You begin with the conclusion that there must be a manufacturer in an attempt to prove god. There is no reason to make this assumption other than intellectual laziness.
ncawadias 11 months ago
@ncawadias Very much true. The only argument I know that intelligently refutes "Paley's Watchmaker" argument is the "Infinite Monkey Theorem". Problem w/ that is that the monkey theorem itself is fallible and isn't completely superimposable. In the end, all arguments make an assumption. It's just a matter of whether we believe 'em or not.
DarkHelixVII 1 month ago
The atheist wouldn't sit around looking for an explanation from some one else, like a blind believer, but he would try to understand it himself. That's the difference between an atheist and a believer in god, or a theist. He would use his rational thought and reason to figure it out. It is awful how this speaker suggests things about atheism, but knows nothing about it.
Pillage4Pleasure 1 year ago
@Pillage4Pleasure Blindness is an ailment of both theists and atheists alike, but you got a point. I can't imagine an atheist that would humor this guy that long. lol
DarkHelixVII 1 month ago
Jazakallah All praise to Almighty Allah.
roziahangalia 1 year ago
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You give the analogy that God knows everything about us like the creator of an object knows about that things. it is very reasonable. But in addition, creator also knows how to fix his created as well as how to improve its quality. if your God is a creator of our world, he would have made our world better everyday. Bur in reality, he does not seem give a damn about us, not even his followers Muslims--always killing and fighting in Muslin world. Give me another reason to believe your shit.
aryusein 1 year ago
the idea that the earth was orbiting the sun is called heliocentrism and was first proposed by Philolaus a Pythagorean philosopher from 390 BC...again...long before Islam
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago 4
@TheSteveMedia nice trick for hiding the tructh make my comment flagged.
sasacal786 1 year ago
Francis Drake wasn't the first person to propose that earth was round, it was Pythagoras in 570 BC. Long before Islam...
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago 3
LOL the big bang in th Qur'an 1400 yrs ago? Moon light? These things were postulated by the ancient greeks long before the Islamic superstition took hold in the ignorant minds of arabs in the coming centuries.
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago
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@TheSteveMedia you are making illusions in the eyes of people. according to Greeks Earth(Gaia) emerged from Chaos,a yawning nothingness and then Gaia gave birth to Oranos(sky) without male assistance.This only make me laugh.
funny thing is u people used to quote these type of funny things, but u never gonna accept what is written in Quran is true
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Greek_mythology)
sasacal786 1 year ago
@sasacal786 I did not intend to flag ur response. You may say the greeks were silly for proposing gaia and all that and I agree to an extent. They were operating in the same kind of ignorance we live in today. Except today we have advanced science. However, a lot of the famous greek philosophers were also mathematicians, and they calculated and knew that the light of the moon was reflected by "the great" fire, they knew the earth wasn't the center of the universe, they knew the earth was round.
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago
How come when I go to a christian channel an some guy is saying the same thing. All i see down below is horrible disrespectful comments; but here i see every one is being respectful. There is actually good comments thumbed up. I mean Jews and Muslims our both the sons of Abraham and they essentially descend from the same god. Ishmael= Muslim Issac=Jew . We Christians come from the same god as well. Why is it that we are the most hated. Is it because we accept Jesus as the messiah.
machinedean100 1 year ago
@machinedean100 i don't think you are most hated.you feel that just by some bad comments in your vidz just think of Muslims who are brutally killed by Christians n Jews n Hindus around the world!
Jesus or Essa is the messiah when Antichrist or dajjal will came most people around the wold will accept him as god because of his powers and only few Muslims will not accept him as god n the Jesus will gather the Muslims and will fight against dajjal or Antichrist and will win!we respect Jesus very mu
sasacal786 1 year ago
@sasacal786 Cool, I thought we were enemy's because of the way our culture presents you guys; But apparently we are not. It is nice to see a forum where people are showing respect to god. When ever I go to a christian forum all I see is bad comments toward god and to his people. It ticks me off.
machinedean100 1 year ago
@machinedean100 its the media that controls the people perceptions that how they work and they are successful!all the mainstream media are satanic media! Muslims always give respect to Allah which is true God! name of the Jesus(Essa ) are recited in our prayers because it is said by Allah to do so.
Respect for Every Prophet!
sasacal786 1 year ago
when u say, a creator created the creation...you forget that the creator exists in the same realm as the created. They are both perceivable. What muslims do with god is use this same theoretical situation, except they pull the creator out of space and time and tell you that because we exist, there must be a creator, even though you can't perceive him. Oh and that if you doubt, you should be beheaded by a follower of faith... I say "NO THANK YOU" to Islam and I look forward to burning in hell...
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago
@TheSteveMedia I'm a muslim, a born Muslim and i've recently started my hunt for answers, convincing answers, that actually make sense and not something imposed on me. my knowledge about Islam is pretty limited and no one is beheading me for questioning things that dont make sense. so please no need to get nasty. :)
Sw33TxPi3 1 year ago
@Sw33TxPi3 I've only repeated why I read in the Qur'an. "convincing answers that make sense" when you say something like this it doesn't make sense because you assume that something like god could even be understood. it is just as likely that logic isn't something that can explain our existence. Quantum physics operate completely counter intuitive. To say allah is outside of space and time but not outside of logic, is contradictory...
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago
@TheSteveMedia who say you to become Muslim your reply shouldnt be like that 'NO THANK YOU TO ISLAM" it shud b like "THANK YOU ATHEISM " no one is compelling you!
HAVE A NICE LIFE
sasacal786 1 year ago
@sasacal786 I'm not an atheist, I'm agnostic.
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago
I'm an atheist, this is terrible reasoning. Just arguments from authority, tradition, ignorance, circular reasoning, begging the ?, non sequitur, composition fallacy, conformation bias, loaded ?, observational selection fallacy, reification fallacy, special pleading, use-mention fallacy, confusion of correlation with causation, and misrepresentation of statistics. I hope you will forgive me for making a list of some of the logical fallacies this man uses.
vonclausenton 1 year ago
I think this "Atheist" would say, "muslims appear to be a rather ignorant, bigoted and intolerant lot", and this guy "certainly is a prime example".
The worrying thing is that people are prepared to listen to this and clap. Is it any wonder muslims have a bad name.
DiabloPaulo 1 year ago
@DiabloPaulo He is proving modern from the Holy Quran not bating about the bush, if anything is true you should accept it as you do in science.
sasacal786 1 year ago
@sasacal786 moderate muslims aren't really muslims because one of the foundations of muslim faith is the belief that the qur'an is the final and perfect word of allah... moderates don't take everything written in the qur'an seriously...so they only "moderately" believe in allah and his perfection...
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago
@TheSteveMedia dude i m not talking abt the moderate muslims!.well wht is meant by moderate muslims:? i was talking abt the scientific exploration has been made today is already written in Quran!
sasacal786 1 year ago
@TheSteveMedia the is no moderation in believing a truth.Suppose u knw anything that is true.it can be either yes or not their is no moderation in it!and other thing every normal human make mistakes that dosnt mean they are not following Quran,If he repent on his sin Allah will forgive him unless it is shirk(Denying Allah) which Allah says is not forgivable!
sasacal786 1 year ago
@sasacal786 what you call "truth" is actually a conclusion drawn from acouple logical fallacies. At the foundation of your belief is the belief that logic can be used to explain existence, when in the natural world, Quantum physics is something scientifically studied that does not operate by logical methods.
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago
@sasacal786 the second fallacy is the watchmaker argument. Just because we exist isn't proof of a creator. It is only proof that we exist. Again, a jump to a logically false conclusion.
TheSteveMedia 1 year ago
Either everything has a maker, in which God would require a maker, or things don't need a maker, and God doesn't need to exist.
Who will tell you the mechanism of the world? Well, God doesn't seem to answer the question.
Blinginatorz 1 year ago
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"So who made allah? according to your perverted islamic logic "everything has a maker." " <--- Al-Ikhlas verse 2 "He begetteth not nor was begotten."
farthardcore84 2 years ago
He is wrong, science can axplain everything he sais here.
str8erthanu 2 years ago
*sigh* The theorys this guy says were fist thought of in the koran was actually first discoverd 500 to 1000 years befor the koran was written by the greeks.
Gorrath1Goyarack 2 years ago
according to that evrything have to have a maker and we ll get not because you have to believe that allah god or whatever you want to call him is the creator the 1st and last he is the bigginer the 1st creator the one no one creat him no one before him no one after him your way of thinking will lead you nowhere good luck i hope we can talk more and with a good manner so we can both help each other to know far from hate or bad words good night
MrHaidarahmed 2 years ago
what a fucking moron. who then was the mechanic, creator, maker, etc. of allah? or of god, for that matter. how can you follow a train of thought to arrive at "x" and then deny that same train of thought to that concept "x?" Did this idiot flunk kindergarten, or is he aware that he's preaching to crowd full of brainless monkeys?
hypertachyon 2 years ago
at least he is more polite then you may allah forgive you and guid you .i am sure you will regret one day mr nothing may allah forgive you and replace your blidness to light ameen
MrHaidarahmed 2 years ago
Who made this allah guy? doesn't everything have to have a maker, according to that moron?
hypertachyon 2 years ago
So who made allah? according to your perverted islamic logic "everything has a maker."
hypertachyon 2 years ago
hypertachyon
This was simply the speaker's analogy. You just found one error in his logic (which is completely irrelevant to the point he's trying to make) and attacked it.
"Everything has a maker" is NOT necessarily Islamic logic.
abcdrcill1 2 years ago
I am PROUD I attacked an error in logic. And I agree with you: "everything has a maker" is certainly NOT Islamic logic. There IS no Islamic logic, period. That exclusion for everything having a maker is set up to shield muslims from the pertinent question "who made this allah guy," or, equivalently "where did this allah guy come from."
hypertachyon 2 years ago
@hypertachyon Everything in universe is created by Allah, some of the facts u came to know in this video, and ur mind willing to accept that Islam has holy book which is Quran which is full of truth, So it is in Quran Allah says"Allah is neither anybody's son nor anyone's father".Read the Quran or watch dr zakir naik's videos u will get the knowledge if u wanted to get it!
sasacal786 1 year ago
Prove it. And quoting from ancient scribblings is NOT proof. So, prove it, and then be prepared to demonstrate your proof is objective.
hypertachyon 1 year ago
@hypertachyon If u have eyes these are the proofs and Quran might be ancient but not wrong.Acutally u have nothing know about what is written in Quran and u people start opposing it! let me ask u sum questions "who are you?" "who made you?" "from where you came?" what your purpose to be on earth?" where you will gone after death?" give me answers with logic n no beating abt bush! waiting for reply
sasacal786 1 year ago
@sasacal786 I said PROVE IT.
hypertachyon 1 year ago
@hypertachyon huh reply just for the sake of reply! its been 5 months u have watched it so watch it again n turn ur ear on where he said about big bang which modern science talking about is written by Allah in Quran 1400 years ago!
now ur turn now u answer my questions if u can!
sasacal786 1 year ago
@sasacal786 Quote it. Then prove it was written by this allah guy.
hypertachyon 1 year ago
@hypertachyon listen to the verses he gives and check it up for urself
mafiadondogg 1 year ago
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hypertachyon 1 year ago
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@mafiadondogg Whaaaaat? You're trying to "prove" some stupid book by reading from the same stupid book in order to "prove" it? That's like saying " X proves Y because Y proves X." More evidence that muslims are insane and that allah is a fake.
hypertachyon 1 year ago
He admitted that the egg-shaped earth could have been interpreted as something different (as an expanse). Sounds like coincidence to me.
The point remains that you can make scripture have any meaning you like. Spin is a powerful tool for selling anything.
leifey 2 years ago
In other videos of Zakir Naik's i see many christians, hindus etc objecting Islam and saying slangs !!!! ...Why dont i see any of them here ? .... I guess they have nothing to say now. That was very well proved by Dr Zakir Naik no1 can ever question this. May Allah's blessing be upon u for uploading this video.
zeesh181 2 years ago
May ALlah bles n grant bro Zakir Paradise n guide us all ameen... MashaALlah keep it up! :)
soniamuslim23 2 years ago
ALLAHUAKBAR.............SUBHAANALLAH.....JazakALLAH khair for posting this video Brother!!!This video Opens The Eyes Of Every Athiests......!!!!MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL.....AND MAY HE BLESS OUR BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMMED(PBUH).......AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN...........
spikyaxe161 3 years ago 15
I now believe in God!!!!!!!!!!1111
axiom4000 3 years ago 54