Rather ironic this was made on a service that's powered by Linux back ends. Google is a massive proponent of Linux and OSX, and basically anything not Windows. Also, it's a bit stupid to type in problems then expect people to be shocked that the results come back with problems. This is the same kind of argument that people who go to a support forum and try to argue that product x has nothing but problems! *facepalm*
@TalesOfWar Why is every time someone gives Linux some criticism, everyone brings up Google running Linux. I fucking know that. I ran Linux as mine main OS for 6 fucking years. I was just pointing out that Linux isn't as great as zealots think it is.
@roboticterror I know it's not. Not on the desktop at least. Unless you're a geek and know what you're doing (or have one on call 24/7 lol) it's just not that brilliant for every day use for the majority of people.
How long before the freeloaders down vote this into oblivion? lol
@JamesManes you are right in regard to the kernel switch after windows 98 and ME.. but the ideologies of a single user system remain. Constantly running in Administrator mode, is not a good thing. Microsoft is trying to fix it but they haven't done a good job. Try to use your computer in standard user, it feels very restrictive. Even for basic tasks it's an annoyance. Running as a normal user on unix systems feels natural and you don't have any problems of running on normal privileges.
@FearedBliss NT was mad specifically for multi-user... the single user mode thing was dead and over with.. it is supposed to be restrictive, but you can make it less restrictive if you wish
@JamesManes Yes it was made for multi-user. But it still hasn't been implemented in the userspace correctly. People are running as Administrator primarily. Even if Windows comes by default with the Administrator account disabled. They still have direct Administrator privileges. In UNIX, you can use root, or you can use sudo and disable root. What sudo means is (super user do) that you can for a split second ascend to root status and do what you need to do, then you go back to normal.
@JamesManes "Even if Windows comes by default with the Administrator account disabled. They still have direct Administrator privileges."
I said the administrator account is disabled. Administrator account, and Admin rights/priviledges are different. When you go into control panel -> user accounts and make a new account, you can select Admin, or Standard. If you selected Admin, that's not good.
@FearedBliss Even if you are Admin (not the hidden one) you cannot delete files that are in use by the system. Admin does not have the same priviledges as Administrator.
Besides, OS X, Ubuntu, and most Linux distros make the User "Admin" by default. Not root, but "admin"
@JamesManes You can't delete system files but you can still be infected by viruses at that level. OS X, Ubuntu & Linux do not make their user admin by default. The default user is also not called "Admin". Ubuntu specifically disables root access via password, but gives their normal users sudo power. You already know what it is since I already explained it above. OS X does give their users Admin by default but it's implemented in a way where if you want to get a virus, you have to type the pass.
@JamesManes Every other Linux distro various. Different Linuxes have different philosophies. Some might want to disable root, and give sudo. Some might want to leave root active and also give sudo, some might have root and no sudo. You can also change all of this and make it whatever combination you want. But Linux has it's permission system set in a way that even if you type in your password, a virus still might fail. As for Mac, you are pretty much screwed if you give your pass.
@JamesManes You still can get root access in Ubuntu by setting a root password by typing sudo -i (or sudo su -) and then typing passwd. You can also get access in Mac to root this way.
@JamesManes Not exactly. In Windows your account IS an Administrator. In Linux your account is just part of the sudo group. You can easily remove them out of the sudo group to take away their admin powers, but they are still a regular account and can do everything else. It's kinda like removing them from Administrator by switching them to Standard user but you are still limited in a lot of ways. You also cannot have 0 Administrator accounts on the computer.
@JamesManes Hmm interesting, can you pm me some info on this. I would be very interested in reading about it. Learning more is never a bad thing :D, overall, I have Windows on all my machines. Linux is very good for learning and servers.
@JamesManes So when Windows can pull that off, then it will truly be a multi-user system. You can run all your accounts in Standard mode, and one account (or more if you wish) can have _permission_ to escalate into temporary administrator status. Not running as administrator status all the time.
Restrictions... Yes and no. It's open source and has way more helpful stuff than Windows did. But by SJ keeping it restricted you don't have the issues your fighting about with MS and Linux. It just works. Insobriety have to fight it or be uber technical. Or spend half my life trying to find out my my audio driver just quit working. And by SJ forcing users to upgrade within the last two OS's (Leopard 10.5, or Snow Leopard 10.6) to use peripherals like the iP4 or iPad, programmers don't have to
hmm... i think it more of a matter of opinion and preference.
For what i do, Linux simply does the job better than windows. Some things Windows does better. Each OS has its weak points and strong points. But i can safely say that i am a happy linux user myself.
@roboticterror I dont have to worry about viruses and antivirus at this point in time (though it will eventually come to linux). My web browsing has become safer and has given me more choices of what browser i want to use, whether it be lightweight (like Midori) or have a lot of addons (like Firefox). I also have more control of what i want in my system, or how system processes work out. I can still use Windows software like MS Office productively. Linux isnt bad on the desktop i assure you.
@FlamingLinux I don't have to worry about viruses when I use Windows, because I don't view unsafe sites or pirate software and what control does Linux give you?
Do you hack kernels? Do you program? For hobby use, Linux is great. But for desktop use, it's awful.
@roboticterror The average user only usually goes on to listen to music, watch video, myspace, facebook, (social networking basically), email, and you say linux is awful for all of this? Linux is a good desktop operating system. I don't see why you think it is awful for desktop use. care to share?
@FlamingLinux You can do all those things on Windows just fine and with less foreplay. Do you know how prone Ubuntu is to breaking? An update alone can easily break someone's system. Rarely a Windows update will break a system Also, an average sometimes wants to buy Music off iTunes put on their new iPhone/iPod, open a docx file without formating issues and have their computer to do what they want, day in and day out without tons of foreplay.
@roboticterror less foreplay? I NEVER have to do anything to get things on linux working right. They just freaking WORK. My updates NEVER break my install. Nor does it for other people around me. As for music and apple, rythmbox works just fine. Also with the Ubuntu One music store. I have used it in the past. I know. Opening a .docx file, that isn't linux's fault. That is microsoft's. And Openoffice's.
@FlamingLinux Go to the Ubuntu forums, updates break systems all the time.
Rhythmbox is a shitty music player; the UI is a joke. And Ubuntu got a music store after how many years? lol Also, docx is a de facto standard Linux can't use it easily.
Microsoft may give Linux or OO.org better docx compatibility, if the FOSS community wasn't so hostile.
@roboticterror ALSO, It has NOTHING to do with linux. I have MS Office installed on linux and there is no problems with the formatting of the .docx files. There is almost NO foreplay. I don't care that you used linux for 5+ years, you dont know your shit.
I was trying to be neutral here and be reasonable, but you wont let me.
@roboticterror Wine is not foreplay if you use a distro that uses it already like linux mint dumbass. And im no Ubuntutard, i dont even use ubuntu. If anything you have your head stuck up your ass about windows. I have had problems with windows update breaking my shit, so dont act like it is linux only.
@roboticterror ALSO Rythmbox works and it works well. At least if you import your library the music is copied to your hard drive. and the UI isnt too much different from itunes. and the FOSS community isnt hostile towards MS. MS just wont do it that easily with their business practices. Get your shit straight.
@roboticterror Okay, i will admit you disproved me there, but it isnt the reason MS wont support linux. You are still wrong about that. MS will not support linux because they dont want linux to gain market because office work on MS Office is not availabe, and keeps plenty of people from switching.
@FlamingLinux There's many reason why people won't switch. Office isn't the only one. The main reason is because people don't care enough. Ms still makes an OS people are still willing to pay for and use. Linux's pro do not outweigh it's cons.
MS also care more about making money, no matter what OS Office is on.
@roboticterror i never said it was the only one. Most people simply dont know that linux exists. and you havent quite given any adequate evidence that the cons outweigh pros.
@FlamingLinux The cons don't need to outweigh the pros, because there are no real pros to using Linux on a desktop. Outside of being a hobbyist or an IT guy, Linux offers no real benefits. Windows doesn't everything Linux does(desktop) and for the most part it does it better.
@roboticterror Linux does offer benefits as a desktop os. few viruses, free cost (and nobody likes spending $100 for a freaking operating system), it is fast, stable, and it is reliable. My entire family uses linux on their computers and they don't know anything about OS's. They have been for the past 2 years. No problems whatsoever. Windows kept crashing their computers and none of us wants to pay for extra tech support that didn't even help. I go with experience and preference so screw off.
@FlamingLinux Linux is not stable on the desktop. I love updating my kernel and breaking my nvidia / ati drivers. SO FUCKING STABLE I CANNOT SEE! People can't crash windows if you set them up correctly via group policy and permissions. But asking you to learn about security is a bad idea, as it would confuse you. Instead you rely upon the chance of your linux boxes not being targeted due to small market share. Oh well...
@JamesManes Meh... we all have our own experiences. I personally don't ever crash my linux system. Neither does my family. In our experiences, Linux is stable on the desktop. Kernel updates never break my drivers, and people can crash windows in any way possible. That applies to all systems. I dont rely solely upon chance of targeting. And i really dont care what you THINK may confuse me. Im not against you, im just saying. Everyone is entitled to preference and opinion. I just prefer linux.
@JamesManes yea as a limited user who basically can't do anything. I use Windows, Linux, and have used FreeBSD, and one thing is for sure, you can do everything you want except system administration as a normal linux user. You don't need to be limited. Windows was designed around MS-DOS, a single user system. Microsoft is trying to make a single user system into a multi-user system like the UNIXes. That's why Windows is having so many problems with UAC etc.
@FearedBliss That is completely false. Windows has not been based on DOS since windows 98. Go look up Windows NT. Windows NT is a multi-user system that Windows has been built upon since Windows 2000.
@FlamingLinux Really that's interesting coz an arch linux update just broke gdm2setup using python due to: "AUR and third-party packages/projects using Python will likely need updating to reflect this move, as many programs are still incompatible with Python 3". Yeah breaking due to incompatibility this is why linux is less stable/reliable, things on windows are built to be backwards compatible for a REASON!!!
@roboticterror and LOL... i've had to REINSTALL 7 10+ times due to MS pushing out the wrong updates to my machine that effed it up... Also, quit talking like you talk for the linux and windows battle... YOU DON'T... everyone is entitled to like what they like... And yet you judge us simply because we like linux? Bigoted jerk.
@roboticterror well excuse me if the linux installer doesn't eff up and decide to ignore a drive like Windows 7's installer did to me. The drive is fine. I HAD to spend 2 HOURS working with diskpart.exe to fix it....Linux never did that... Explain that. Windows SUCKS... and bullshit you don't have to worry about viruses... Just being careful isn't enough anymore, idiot.
@roboticterror and i'm guessing you were using ext4 in the early stages of its existence... THERE'S THE PROBLEM... You immediately upgraded to ext4 and so it's your fault that you used ext4. Also, you still haven't addressed the viruses issue... Being careful isn't enough... it never will be (unless you're running OS X or *nix). Hence why i have nearly completely switched over to Linux. Sure, I can't play all my games... but it's easier to mostly use linux and dual-boot 7 than to just use 7.
@roboticterror it's blatantly obvious based on your comments how much of a windows fanboy you are... FOSS isn't hostile towards microsoft EXCEPT in the regards of proprietary standards that MS releases... They'd welcome a linux implementation of .docx... but sadly MS DOESN'T WANT ANY MORE LINUX MARKET SHARE THAN IT ALREADY HAS.
@Vedalkenwow Foss isn't hostile? Do you know how much shit Oracle is getting right now? Have you ever read Techrights/Boycott Novell or Windows 7 sins?
Also MS doesn't care about 1% of the desktop market.
@Vedalkenwow It's obvious by your comments how much of a freetard you are. This page is full of linux zealots, including you. And before you go "YOU'RE A M$ SHILL TOO!" I use Slackware. FOSS is very hostile towards Microsoft, the FOSS community especially. They constantly spread FUD about Windows. Just look at the Ubuntu Forums.
@Asatru19 lolwut? excuse me if i paid almost 200 bucks for windows 7 only to have it fuck up with fakeRAID.... so yeah... do try to not jump down my throat simply because linux didn't fuck up my machine like 7 did.
@roboticterror also... Windows has fried more drives than i can count with NTFS.. oh and have you ever heard of fsck? i guess not.... quit being so ignorant and fanboyish... I am not a linux fanboy as i use both. I may use linux more than windows but that is due to recent troubles with 7 and RAID 0 arrays. I dual-boot the two. I don't like grub2 (or legacy) being the default Bootloader either... I chainload GRUB from the Windows BL. So get over it.
@Hack3rINC Safe? How So? Free? Who cares? I have a job and money. Open source and large community? First of all, 90% of Linux community is a big circle-jerk,
and open source code doesn't matter for a desktop user.
Hmmmm there are alot of things on the internet stating that Windows has screwed up their computer as well. But you have to pay to screw up your computer in that case.
And well nomadewolf09 is correct. Windows is targeted towards different users than Linux. My devices simply work with Linux. No drivers.
@roboticterror No Windows itself can screw up your computer. Linux does not use drivers. I think UNIX in general doesn't (Mac os x, Solaris, and BSD don't). This makes it so that most all hardware works with the OS.
@Chintendoeddman "No Windows itself can screw up your computer."
This is funny, because you just restate your claim with absolutely no fucking evidence at all.
" Linux does not use drivers .I think UNIX in general doesn't (Mac os x, Solaris, and BSD don't)". ibm (dot) com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-kernel/
I agree it's not perfect. Nothing is.
But I will take it over Windows any day.
snake2006 1 day ago
@snake2006 Well I think windows is much better than Linux.
roboticterror 17 hours ago
@roboticterror
And that is where I disagree. But that is ok. We all have our opinions.
snake2006 8 hours ago
Rather ironic this was made on a service that's powered by Linux back ends. Google is a massive proponent of Linux and OSX, and basically anything not Windows. Also, it's a bit stupid to type in problems then expect people to be shocked that the results come back with problems. This is the same kind of argument that people who go to a support forum and try to argue that product x has nothing but problems! *facepalm*
TalesOfWar 7 months ago 2
@TalesOfWar Why is every time someone gives Linux some criticism, everyone brings up Google running Linux. I fucking know that. I ran Linux as mine main OS for 6 fucking years. I was just pointing out that Linux isn't as great as zealots think it is.
roboticterror 7 months ago
@roboticterror I know it's not. Not on the desktop at least. Unless you're a geek and know what you're doing (or have one on call 24/7 lol) it's just not that brilliant for every day use for the majority of people.
How long before the freeloaders down vote this into oblivion? lol
TalesOfWar 7 months ago
@TalesOfWar
>How long before the freeloaders down vote this into oblivion?
When they're not retarded self righteous assholes. This video will be remove before that happens and I don't plan on taking it down.
roboticterror 7 months ago
@vlogcs umad?
roboticterror 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
But it is, it really is that great!
andamat 8 months ago
@JamesManes you are right in regard to the kernel switch after windows 98 and ME.. but the ideologies of a single user system remain. Constantly running in Administrator mode, is not a good thing. Microsoft is trying to fix it but they haven't done a good job. Try to use your computer in standard user, it feels very restrictive. Even for basic tasks it's an annoyance. Running as a normal user on unix systems feels natural and you don't have any problems of running on normal privileges.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@FearedBliss NT was mad specifically for multi-user... the single user mode thing was dead and over with.. it is supposed to be restrictive, but you can make it less restrictive if you wish
JamesManes 11 months ago
@JamesManes Yes it was made for multi-user. But it still hasn't been implemented in the userspace correctly. People are running as Administrator primarily. Even if Windows comes by default with the Administrator account disabled. They still have direct Administrator privileges. In UNIX, you can use root, or you can use sudo and disable root. What sudo means is (super user do) that you can for a split second ascend to root status and do what you need to do, then you go back to normal.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@FearedBliss Actually they do not have direct Administrator privelages. Administrator is disabled and hidden, and can only be accessed via UAC.
JamesManes 11 months ago
@JamesManes "Even if Windows comes by default with the Administrator account disabled. They still have direct Administrator privileges."
I said the administrator account is disabled. Administrator account, and Admin rights/priviledges are different. When you go into control panel -> user accounts and make a new account, you can select Admin, or Standard. If you selected Admin, that's not good.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@FearedBliss Even if you are Admin (not the hidden one) you cannot delete files that are in use by the system. Admin does not have the same priviledges as Administrator.
Besides, OS X, Ubuntu, and most Linux distros make the User "Admin" by default. Not root, but "admin"
JamesManes 11 months ago
@JamesManes You can't delete system files but you can still be infected by viruses at that level. OS X, Ubuntu & Linux do not make their user admin by default. The default user is also not called "Admin". Ubuntu specifically disables root access via password, but gives their normal users sudo power. You already know what it is since I already explained it above. OS X does give their users Admin by default but it's implemented in a way where if you want to get a virus, you have to type the pass.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@JamesManes Every other Linux distro various. Different Linuxes have different philosophies. Some might want to disable root, and give sudo. Some might want to leave root active and also give sudo, some might have root and no sudo. You can also change all of this and make it whatever combination you want. But Linux has it's permission system set in a way that even if you type in your password, a virus still might fail. As for Mac, you are pretty much screwed if you give your pass.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@JamesManes You still can get root access in Ubuntu by setting a root password by typing sudo -i (or sudo su -) and then typing passwd. You can also get access in Mac to root this way.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@FearedBliss Just as in windows you have to use UAC. it is the same exact thing.
JamesManes 11 months ago
@JamesManes Not exactly. In Windows your account IS an Administrator. In Linux your account is just part of the sudo group. You can easily remove them out of the sudo group to take away their admin powers, but they are still a regular account and can do everything else. It's kinda like removing them from Administrator by switching them to Standard user but you are still limited in a lot of ways. You also cannot have 0 Administrator accounts on the computer.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@JamesManes In Linux you can have 0 administrators and still be able to ascend to one by adding the user to the sudo group.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@FearedBliss This can be done in windows too via UAC.
JamesManes 11 months ago
@JamesManes Hmm interesting, can you pm me some info on this. I would be very interested in reading about it. Learning more is never a bad thing :D, overall, I have Windows on all my machines. Linux is very good for learning and servers.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@FearedBliss Oh yes, I plan on getting Linux / UNIX cert before going into the IT field. It is an essential.
JamesManes 11 months ago
@FearedBliss It stands for substitute user do. sudo -u nobody ls
Hint: root ain't doing that one.
CultOfTheGlenda 11 months ago
@JamesManes So when Windows can pull that off, then it will truly be a multi-user system. You can run all your accounts in Standard mode, and one account (or more if you wish) can have _permission_ to escalate into temporary administrator status. Not running as administrator status all the time.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@FearedBliss NT is nearly as old as Linux.
CultOfTheGlenda 11 months ago
@asatru19 also, i still use 7... just not as my primary OS anymore....
Vedalkenwow 1 year ago
I loved this so very much. <3
DeadSuperHeroTV 1 year ago
Restrictions... Yes and no. It's open source and has way more helpful stuff than Windows did. But by SJ keeping it restricted you don't have the issues your fighting about with MS and Linux. It just works. Insobriety have to fight it or be uber technical. Or spend half my life trying to find out my my audio driver just quit working. And by SJ forcing users to upgrade within the last two OS's (Leopard 10.5, or Snow Leopard 10.6) to use peripherals like the iP4 or iPad, programmers don't have to
DRisThor 1 year ago
hmm... i think it more of a matter of opinion and preference.
For what i do, Linux simply does the job better than windows. Some things Windows does better. Each OS has its weak points and strong points. But i can safely say that i am a happy linux user myself.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux What do you do that makes Linux a better choice?
On the desktop, Linux has more weak points than strong.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror I dont have to worry about viruses and antivirus at this point in time (though it will eventually come to linux). My web browsing has become safer and has given me more choices of what browser i want to use, whether it be lightweight (like Midori) or have a lot of addons (like Firefox). I also have more control of what i want in my system, or how system processes work out. I can still use Windows software like MS Office productively. Linux isnt bad on the desktop i assure you.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux I don't have to worry about viruses when I use Windows, because I don't view unsafe sites or pirate software and what control does Linux give you?
Do you hack kernels? Do you program? For hobby use, Linux is great. But for desktop use, it's awful.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror The average user only usually goes on to listen to music, watch video, myspace, facebook, (social networking basically), email, and you say linux is awful for all of this? Linux is a good desktop operating system. I don't see why you think it is awful for desktop use. care to share?
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux You can do all those things on Windows just fine and with less foreplay. Do you know how prone Ubuntu is to breaking? An update alone can easily break someone's system. Rarely a Windows update will break a system Also, an average sometimes wants to buy Music off iTunes put on their new iPhone/iPod, open a docx file without formating issues and have their computer to do what they want, day in and day out without tons of foreplay.
I've used Linux for 5+ years; I know.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror less foreplay? I NEVER have to do anything to get things on linux working right. They just freaking WORK. My updates NEVER break my install. Nor does it for other people around me. As for music and apple, rythmbox works just fine. Also with the Ubuntu One music store. I have used it in the past. I know. Opening a .docx file, that isn't linux's fault. That is microsoft's. And Openoffice's.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux Go to the Ubuntu forums, updates break systems all the time.
Rhythmbox is a shitty music player; the UI is a joke. And Ubuntu got a music store after how many years? lol Also, docx is a de facto standard Linux can't use it easily.
Microsoft may give Linux or OO.org better docx compatibility, if the FOSS community wasn't so hostile.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror ALSO, It has NOTHING to do with linux. I have MS Office installed on linux and there is no problems with the formatting of the .docx files. There is almost NO foreplay. I don't care that you used linux for 5+ years, you dont know your shit.
I was trying to be neutral here and be reasonable, but you wont let me.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux Wine is more foreplay. But I was talking more or less about OO.org formating issues with docx, back when I was using it.
And I do know my shit; I'm not some Ubuntutard who has his head up ass.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror Wine is not foreplay if you use a distro that uses it already like linux mint dumbass. And im no Ubuntutard, i dont even use ubuntu. If anything you have your head stuck up your ass about windows. I have had problems with windows update breaking my shit, so dont act like it is linux only.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux How about when you get a Wine update? Those are fun. Now my game/program doesn't work.
Also, Linux updates are know to break shit, vs Windows where it rarely happens.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror ALSO Rythmbox works and it works well. At least if you import your library the music is copied to your hard drive. and the UI isnt too much different from itunes. and the FOSS community isnt hostile towards MS. MS just wont do it that easily with their business practices. Get your shit straight.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux FOSS isn't hostile? lol
That why a group of freetards fork OO.org just because of Oracle and how every freetard thinks Oracle is trying to kill Java,Vbox,OO.org and MySQL.
Have you ever read Techrights/Boycott Novell?
Or Windows 7 sins?
Do you know how much FUD these assholes spread?
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror Okay, i will admit you disproved me there, but it isnt the reason MS wont support linux. You are still wrong about that. MS will not support linux because they dont want linux to gain market because office work on MS Office is not availabe, and keeps plenty of people from switching.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux There's many reason why people won't switch. Office isn't the only one. The main reason is because people don't care enough. Ms still makes an OS people are still willing to pay for and use. Linux's pro do not outweigh it's cons.
MS also care more about making money, no matter what OS Office is on.
But right now, their OS still makes them money.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror i never said it was the only one. Most people simply dont know that linux exists. and you havent quite given any adequate evidence that the cons outweigh pros.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux The cons don't need to outweigh the pros, because there are no real pros to using Linux on a desktop. Outside of being a hobbyist or an IT guy, Linux offers no real benefits. Windows doesn't everything Linux does(desktop) and for the most part it does it better.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror Linux does offer benefits as a desktop os. few viruses, free cost (and nobody likes spending $100 for a freaking operating system), it is fast, stable, and it is reliable. My entire family uses linux on their computers and they don't know anything about OS's. They have been for the past 2 years. No problems whatsoever. Windows kept crashing their computers and none of us wants to pay for extra tech support that didn't even help. I go with experience and preference so screw off.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux Linux is not stable on the desktop. I love updating my kernel and breaking my nvidia / ati drivers. SO FUCKING STABLE I CANNOT SEE! People can't crash windows if you set them up correctly via group policy and permissions. But asking you to learn about security is a bad idea, as it would confuse you. Instead you rely upon the chance of your linux boxes not being targeted due to small market share. Oh well...
JamesManes 1 year ago
@JamesManes Meh... we all have our own experiences. I personally don't ever crash my linux system. Neither does my family. In our experiences, Linux is stable on the desktop. Kernel updates never break my drivers, and people can crash windows in any way possible. That applies to all systems. I dont rely solely upon chance of targeting. And i really dont care what you THINK may confuse me. Im not against you, im just saying. Everyone is entitled to preference and opinion. I just prefer linux.
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux Preference is fine but it is fucking hard to mess up a Windows box as a limited user. Very, very extremely hard.
JamesManes 1 year ago
@JamesManes yeah, but then a limited linux user cant do it easily as well. Admins on both can however, LOL. :)
I know how to break windows AND linux. :P
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@JamesManes yea as a limited user who basically can't do anything. I use Windows, Linux, and have used FreeBSD, and one thing is for sure, you can do everything you want except system administration as a normal linux user. You don't need to be limited. Windows was designed around MS-DOS, a single user system. Microsoft is trying to make a single user system into a multi-user system like the UNIXes. That's why Windows is having so many problems with UAC etc.
FearedBliss 11 months ago
@FearedBliss That is completely false. Windows has not been based on DOS since windows 98. Go look up Windows NT. Windows NT is a multi-user system that Windows has been built upon since Windows 2000.
JamesManes 11 months ago
@FlamingLinux Really that's interesting coz an arch linux update just broke gdm2setup using python due to: "AUR and third-party packages/projects using Python will likely need updating to reflect this move, as many programs are still incompatible with Python 3". Yeah breaking due to incompatibility this is why linux is less stable/reliable, things on windows are built to be backwards compatible for a REASON!!!
codebean 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux My family uses Windows with no problems. Your statement, like mine has no grounds; it's null.
Linux isn't free, it took resources to make; but I know want you mean.
Also, paying for an OS isn't a big deal for those who have jobs.
Fast, how so? I don't see much of a difference and my box is 5 years old.
Stable? It's hard to call Linux stable when it lacks a stable API/ABI.
Reliable? if you don't update/upgrade
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror Okay... this i can mostly agree to. Glad this has calmed down. :)
FlamingLinux 1 year ago
@FlamingLinux i agree with you Flameing even know i didnt read everything. Linux for the awsome win. *uses his old windows disc as a coaster*
TroyFoxxin 1 year ago
@TroyFoxxin Que loco, bro! (It's pretty much means th same as "Cool story, bro" in Spanish)
roboticterror 1 year ago
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@roboticterror what the hell you talking about? not talking to you.
TroyFoxxin 1 year ago
@TroyFoxxin Why would you use your windows disk as a coaster. Linux turned your entire PC into one.
JamesManes 1 year ago
@JamesManes oh snap!
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror lol, don't forget about defective by design.
commodore256 1 year ago
@commodore256 yes, how could I forget them. Just read any of the FSF blogs.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror and LOL... i've had to REINSTALL 7 10+ times due to MS pushing out the wrong updates to my machine that effed it up... Also, quit talking like you talk for the linux and windows battle... YOU DON'T... everyone is entitled to like what they like... And yet you judge us simply because we like linux? Bigoted jerk.
Vedalkenwow 1 year ago
@roboticterror well excuse me if the linux installer doesn't eff up and decide to ignore a drive like Windows 7's installer did to me. The drive is fine. I HAD to spend 2 HOURS working with diskpart.exe to fix it....Linux never did that... Explain that. Windows SUCKS... and bullshit you don't have to worry about viruses... Just being careful isn't enough anymore, idiot.
Vedalkenwow 1 year ago
@Vedalkenwow How about getting a power outage and ext4 frags your HDD and lose 500+ Gigs of data? Windows and NTFS has never done that to me.
Also, I never said Windows was flawless.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror and i'm guessing you were using ext4 in the early stages of its existence... THERE'S THE PROBLEM... You immediately upgraded to ext4 and so it's your fault that you used ext4. Also, you still haven't addressed the viruses issue... Being careful isn't enough... it never will be (unless you're running OS X or *nix). Hence why i have nearly completely switched over to Linux. Sure, I can't play all my games... but it's easier to mostly use linux and dual-boot 7 than to just use 7.
Vedalkenwow 1 year ago
@Vedalkenwow So if the distro releases it as default, it's the user fault.
That's fucking nice.
It's funny how if you get malware, it's Windows's fault; but if you lose data due to a shitty filesystem, it's your fault.
I even went back to using ext3, but ext3 is awful for large HDD. Every time I reboot, it spend 3 to 4 minutes fscking.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror it's blatantly obvious based on your comments how much of a windows fanboy you are... FOSS isn't hostile towards microsoft EXCEPT in the regards of proprietary standards that MS releases... They'd welcome a linux implementation of .docx... but sadly MS DOESN'T WANT ANY MORE LINUX MARKET SHARE THAN IT ALREADY HAS.
Vedalkenwow 1 year ago
@Vedalkenwow Foss isn't hostile? Do you know how much shit Oracle is getting right now? Have you ever read Techrights/Boycott Novell or Windows 7 sins?
Also MS doesn't care about 1% of the desktop market.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@Vedalkenwow It's obvious by your comments how much of a freetard you are. This page is full of linux zealots, including you. And before you go "YOU'RE A M$ SHILL TOO!" I use Slackware. FOSS is very hostile towards Microsoft, the FOSS community especially. They constantly spread FUD about Windows. Just look at the Ubuntu Forums.
Asatru19 1 year ago
@Asatru19 lolwut? excuse me if i paid almost 200 bucks for windows 7 only to have it fuck up with fakeRAID.... so yeah... do try to not jump down my throat simply because linux didn't fuck up my machine like 7 did.
Vedalkenwow 1 year ago
@Vedalkenwow You came off as a LY in that comment. That's not Windows 7's fault, necessarily, either. It sounds like operator error to me.
Asatru19 1 year ago
@roboticterror also... Windows has fried more drives than i can count with NTFS.. oh and have you ever heard of fsck? i guess not.... quit being so ignorant and fanboyish... I am not a linux fanboy as i use both. I may use linux more than windows but that is due to recent troubles with 7 and RAID 0 arrays. I dual-boot the two. I don't like grub2 (or legacy) being the default Bootloader either... I chainload GRUB from the Windows BL. So get over it.
Vedalkenwow 1 year ago
screw u, my operating system is even better than winblows! LOL
Hack3rINC 1 year ago
@Hack3rINC It might be as good as winblows, but I doubt it's better than Windows.
Plan 9 is more useful than your shit,
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror windows blows = winblows, and yr my "shit" is better than any winblows out there lol
Hack3rINC 1 year ago
@Hack3rINC I'm pretty sure Windows is better than OpenVMS or MacOS 9.
Also, I was just fucking with you; I'm not 12, so I don't use terms like winblows or replace the letter "e" with a 3.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror im 15, hackerinc was already taken. i am offended by u acting like a dick
Hack3rINC 1 year ago
@Hack3rINC 15 years old lol. That explains your shitty grammar.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror how old r u? 40?
u still live with ur mom? lol
Hack3rINC 1 year ago
@Hack3rINC 21 and I have a full time job.
Also, "u" and "r" are not words.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror besides mac os x is better
Hack3rINC 1 year ago
@Hack3rINC Yes, OSX is a lot better than Linux.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror no, its just better than windows.
linux ftw
Hack3rINC 1 year ago
@Hack3rINC How is it better? It has a spinning cube?
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror yes, just forget the fact its safe, free, open, and has a large comunnity of ppl working on it. lol u suck xD
Hack3rINC 1 year ago
@Hack3rINC Safe? How So? Free? Who cares? I have a job and money. Open source and large community? First of all, 90% of Linux community is a big circle-jerk,
and open source code doesn't matter for a desktop user.
roboticterror 1 year ago
Hmmmm there are alot of things on the internet stating that Windows has screwed up their computer as well. But you have to pay to screw up your computer in that case.
And well nomadewolf09 is correct. Windows is targeted towards different users than Linux. My devices simply work with Linux. No drivers.
Chintendoeddman 1 year ago
@Chintendoeddman It's very unlikely that software(Windows this case) can
screwed up a physical computer outside of your hard-drive.
But most people can afford to pay for software and most people don't screw their computer without doing something retarded.
Also, Linux has drivers just like every other modern OS.
It just doesn't have some proprietary drivers built in.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@roboticterror No Windows itself can screw up your computer. Linux does not use drivers. I think UNIX in general doesn't (Mac os x, Solaris, and BSD don't). This makes it so that most all hardware works with the OS.
Chintendoeddman 1 year ago
@Chintendoeddman "No Windows itself can screw up your computer."
This is funny, because you just restate your claim with absolutely no fucking evidence at all.
" Linux does not use drivers .I think UNIX in general doesn't (Mac os x, Solaris, and BSD don't)". ibm (dot) com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-kernel/
Also, BSD and Linux are not UNIX.
roboticterror 1 year ago
@nomadewolf09
Windows is better. I can sync to v blank.
JamesManes 1 year ago
@nomadewolf09 Cool story bro.
roboticterror 1 year ago
FUD lol
ThingsontheWeb 1 year ago
Rofl
JamesManes 1 year ago