Why AA doesn't work for over 97% of people who join

[BIGJOHN805]

Me too thats the main reason why i left the "program" Also it is a well known fact to people who have worked in mental health or related fields that if you tell someone they have a disorder such as schitzphrenia, bi-polar, etc... the patient will often mimic the behavior of the "illness" they are told they have even when they dont actually have it.

[maxwellawesome]

This would explain the reason I was hospitalized for suicidal thoughts ten days ago. I remember thinking, it would be better o die at my own hands, cuz that kills anyway.

[Toto24522]

And I totally agree that the court system should NOT mandate people to go to AA meetings. If they don't want to be there to begin with, it'll only instigate more resentments and victimhood. Send them to an out-patient clinic. Anything but AA. The program is for people who actually want to be there, not forced to go there.

[rexxed33]

this lady is the best bill who the con man drunk...she should write the bb god i am buying her book wow ty so much

[artdietrich]

5 * ... it is my expirience with aa/xa ...

my sponsor had 2 sponies that made suicide... aa made me feel bad and full of lies for 3 years... nobody there with a good life

[Zerafinel]

Yes, like some people here have said already, XA is not even a support group. They will not support you. They will imply either directly or indirectly that all your problems are your own fault, no matter what it is. Now, I'm all for being responsible for your life. However there are situations where there are clearly victims, not just playing victims. XA will have you believe that if you got robbed or molested, you had a part in it because you chose to walk through that park or street.

[acquiescere9]

There are other options to AA/NA! the Inouye v. Kemna case. tells me so! 12 Step Religion will have their last days as The State Religion once the Law Suits begin to hit them in the back pocket$ Court Ordered to AA/NA? Sue the turkeys. Sue them BIG!!! "Attraction rather than promotion my butt!" Whats attractive about a court ordered attendance...Search the "Orange Papers"...graft a new idea onto an open mind. Search "12 Step Cults" become informed. Resist the violation of the Constitution.

[MDreadedTV]

I went an an AA meeting, it was like something out of 'The Wicker Man', I was half expecting poor old Mr Woodward to be burned at the stake whilst people were dancing around. The experience was deeply disturbing.

[rexxed33]

AA is religon based cult that will lie to you do what ever it takes to make you come back for ever ...i think 101 is comeing in to replases this snake oil aa is going to be hisorty very soon...so stay away and do a 10 program insted

[jinsbae]

Having a sponser is dangerous. He will step on all over you and you give away all your power to him.

[jinsbae]

These AA people want to help you but they can't help themselves. You get phone numbers, they never call you back, you give away all your power when your sponser think he/she has all the answers and what's with the money basket donations? I keep laughing when I hear peoples' comments, some deeply moving, sad, but after the meeting, they are laughing like nothing happened. AA people are in denial.

[No1barney1]

AA is a contradiction. If alcoholism is a disease that you have no control over then it should kill you like all fatal diseases. In AA it states: Having had a spiritual experience as a result of the 12 steps you carry this message to suffering alcoholics.." But the majority of AA'rs haven't taken the steps (or they've taken THEIR version), so what message are they carrying? Those who have taken the steps 99.9% report NO experience. It is a hierarchial cult Length of sobriety assuming importance

[IrreverentTetrapod]

AA is a big ineffective cult

[jballard459]

I'm a practicing Texan by birth...this chick makes sense, although she uses "you know" too many times. She's also attractive...oh yea, I have drank more beer in my cowboy life than George Jones EVER dreamed of. This gal is smart though.

[g6tull6]

i am a former drinking man. i had years of fun out in the bars doing charity fundraisers and just having fun. i was arrested for a D.U.I. and forced into the "A.A. cult" these people were nothing but bullies and hypocrites to me as a person. thay also took court control over my own family inheritance and were stealing that from me behind my back.this was accomplished by putting me under a drug investigation, therefore making my family inheritance "drug seized money"

[emalm88]

This is such refreshing , positive stuff that makes sense intellectually. During my 3 AA meeting, , an elderly woman with purple dyed hair and purple visor, stood up, announced she was now called Purple, and proceeded to tell a disturbing story, pulled out a burnt sculpture of Jesus and went on ranting! I ran out, scared bleepless, and was later reprimanded for walking out during a "share". It took me weeks just to recover from the damage of AA. Keep the wonderful info coming!

[ChoofMonster]

12-step groups eschew medication, so the 3% who are on antidepressants are the exception. AA has long been known to be less effective than no intervention whatsoever, but the courts and doctors have been hoodwinked by its propaganda.

I have lost friends to 12-step groups, they didn't die (nobody has ever died of "compulsive gambling" or "marijuana addiction") but their personalities changed, and they dumped lifelong friends for fake fellowship acquaintances.

[mbryanf]

I love this video, and I am glad to see someone speak out the thoughts that go through my mind every day I go to an AA meeting. The more engaged in the 12 steps that I am, the more I feel worthless and degraded. There are too many manipulative slogans to keep you feel insecure such as "you need a check up from the neck up" or "you have a thinking problem, not a drinking problem." I am so sick off all of the manipulative people and all of the BS. Thank you for telling me to trust my instinct!

[lyingfromu28]

i really agreed with this vid.

Just as a comical relief moment for everyone else who disagrees with AA, watch the "Bloody Mary" episode of South Park. It has typical AA in in. Pretty funny.

[gfd19992000]

I could not say this better myself.This is what everyone who is searching treatment should be able to see.AA has way too much power and influence.I noticed that people feel they have two choices only,that is to go to AA or die,which is exactly what they do.AA is criminal in it's actions

[sherwoode7]

I found AA to be a fear-based male hierarchical cult of control and domination.

[bobsong7]

God, this is soo true. Been there, done it, got the lousy t-shirt. Try, finding a therapist that takes insurance that will agree with this viewpoint. It seems that the AMA has a grip on insurance companies as per the 12 step "disease" model. It's hazardous to social and career not to conform to the AA model. AA musicians are some of the most insular and closed minded people on earth. Any exceptions I will gladly talk to, found very few. I've experienced cults and know their dynamic 1st hand.

[hpmc9]

I had severe depression the day I was diagnosed with this 'incurable disease' I asked to get a second opinion, and was told that I couldnt, because there was no way to prove I didnt have it, because there is no objective evidence that I did have it, therefore, I had it and that's that. The depression lifted when I gained the confidence to trust my own judgement over so called 'reputable' hospitals who pushed this garbage.

I learned a lot about the way of the world through this experience.

[psilocybe4u]

AA kills people and also introduces them to drugs they may never have had the opportunity to try otherwise. like the girl i know who started injecting heroin 3 months after returning to AA with her newfound friends there. don't why you aa nuts are going around giving all these reasonable comments "thumbs down" if AA works for you great. just stop using the courts to push it on the rest of us over rational medical treatment. search google for orange papers

[licmy3balls]

you are correct that AA ahouldn't be forced by courts, it's unconstitutional. the orange are very one sided to say the least.

[acquiescere9]

AA/NA gene pool will dry up once persons court order to attend their religious services become hip to the fact they can sue over forcing someone to attend a religious cult. Thank you Supreme Court i.e. the Inouye v. Kemna case.

"attraction rather than promotion" my butt. Thank you Agent Orange! ditto search the orange papers or can you graft a new idea onto a closed mind?

[frances776]

I think AA is a social group, I haven't been able to stay sober for more then two months in the program while I had six months on my own. It's bullshit, it's for insecure people who can't think for themselves or rightly think at all.

[dillardmichael]

It is my belief and experience working with the dual diagnosed community for over ten years, and being a curious biomedical engineer that this video is absolutely correct. Thank you. keep it coming. MD

[wolfofthewhitemt]

AA is a cult!

[artdietrich]

AA IS CRIMINAL

[mryjn420090]

I had to go to an AA Meeting for probation, and they all seemed depressed and had no kind of entusiasm, they made fun of that shit in south park too

[andrewniles1]

"AA is a suport group not a treatment" They havent suported me at all. One guy asked me how i was doing. I told him that im a liitle angry.(after getting a dui and breaking up with my girlfriend of 6 yrs) He just turned his back to me. I hate AA.

[mbryanf]

During my 9 years I was not able to stay sober for over 4 months at a given time. People in AA are the worst people in the world for me to be around. They tell you that you are incapable of making decisions and incompetent, but only to make to feel week so you can turn to their religious views. If someone dies the sober people will say "At least I can feel good about myself because I am not dead, and I'm sober." AA is supposed to be a support group? Really?

[artdietrich]

That is right - AA and XA are criminal - responsible for many suicides - STOP THEM

[viper8red]

Bill W was told by his physician that alcoholism is NOT a disease. Shortly after he decided to defer to his own home spun logic and decided to build alcoholism an "incurable disease" through manufactured rhetoric and jargon. He then conjoined psuedo spiritual ideals to essentially form his own recovery cult. In fact AA aligns fairly well with Liftons 8 steps of thought reform. Sad thing is that desperate people fall prey all the time to AA at their most desperate moments.

[mysticme27]

Great Job! You are right on target. AA kills more than it helps, just by the gloom and doom report and by telling people they are the only way. Treatment centers should be sued for spreading this BS to their patients. They are the professionals and science has long ago showed that the recovery in AA, is one of the worst rates. Those who recover in AA are less than the spontaneous recovery rate. Thus they would have gotten sober with or without AA

[Yoganao]

The entire program of AA is a lie from beginning to end. A Real Alcoholic is nothing but a euphemism for being a True Believer in Bill n' Bob's harmful dogmatic pro-addiction nonsense.

[AmberForGod]

There is no reason to label yourself as an "alcoholic" when you have been clean and sober for several years and have no desire to drink, ever.

People change, period. I hate listening to stories about how "people need to attend meetings to stay clean and sober." I'm currently court ordered (on a juvenile charge from four years back) to participate in programs and out patient treatment similar to AA. It is garbage, and I am sad that people can become so weak minded.

[jeffculler]

I am a practicing Roman Catholic and a former AA-er.

Most people would consider me left-of-center politicly (support womens' choice, I'm gay, etc). I certainly disagree with the Vatican's position on many of these issues, but still continue to go to mass becuase it is a good institution.

The point here is that I have never encountered the degree of condecension, dogmatism, and rigidity in the Catholic Church (the CATHOLIC CHURCH!!) that I did in AA.

Cult? You better believe it!

[prschuster]

"I am a practicing Roman Catholic and a former AA-er."

I am also a former Catholic & AA-er. Have you ever noticed that the Higher Power of AA is incompatible with the catholic view of God? A big part of catholicism is to take responsibility for doing the right thing no matter how hard it is while AA tells you that your own self discipline is never enough.

[Hammersley1967]

In fact I would take that sentiment wider and further.

The disease concept is completely at odds with the entire Christian doctrine.

In Christianity there are ONLY two imperatives for human action - self will (sin) and god's will.

According to Christian ideology, BOTH are freely chosen by the individual...

[mrmott44]

Smoking Hot--when can we meet in person?

[tinagannes]

First respons- Thank you!

I've been going to AA cause they told me to at the rehab clinic I go to. I last week realized that this is just too far away from my own values and core beliefs. There is just too much that doesn't make sense going on at those meetings. It was really nice to hear my thoughts being spoken by some one else. Thank you!

[coreywhiteproject]

i enjoyed your video, i would love to hear more insight

[spacestate]

AA is the trash receptacle for human refuse, where else are these drunken spousal abusers going to go with other like minded assholes?

AA is full of the most unhappy, miserable people you're ever likely to meet, if you want to get sober why would you want to hang out with a bunch of losers white knuckling it in the cult of AA?

[dixiemanfunk]

I enjoyed your video. I do have a question regarding the 6 times higher suicide rate in AA. It seems to be what I witnessed but I wonder about your source for it. I haven't seen any stats regarding suicide, though

I have seen stats regarding a 6x higher death rate with the Valliant studies. Thanks-keep up the good work.

[americanrealist]

it's true AA doesn't work for most people. i personally can't stand going there, i get hit on every time and i hate it. most of them smoke there faces off and drink coffee like mad, i find this absolutely hypocritical when they talk about being free and clean and all the rest.

[DarthTigreros62]

It's true, AA is a joke, it has it's own culture. I tried it and asked for a sponsor, he told me be careful what you say there people there will judge and control you. They all made me want a drink, and down the street at the liquor store you would see many AA people there. It's sad.

[whyteay]

Good work lady. There are other '12 step' groups doing the same type of possible harm - including Workaholics Anonymous (they meet at 7am on Sundays...)

[baneberry7]

I love being chemical free(17 years) with out AA and it is the last place in the world I would try to send somebody who I thought might need help.

Its definately not a disease---its called choice or learned behavior!

John

I especially hate it when they stigmatize these poor teenagers with the term alcoholic drug attic when there still wet behind the ears,to me that is criminal!!!

[llK1NGp1Nll]

alcoholics anonymous is just coffee and cake people take it from me, no help at all

[joshuamunozzz]

really good educating educating point of view.

[tomco4]

Oddly enough, I have great respect for AA, but I agree with the comments about declaring being recovered, I was insulted for saying I was, and shunned. In AA people love you when you still profess weakness, but shun you when you say you have recovered, a strange phenonomon. Glad that others found the same, as I thought it was just me. Humility is telling it like it is, up or down on that level and it's false, but most AA's have conditioned themselves to stay sick, what a shame.

[EmotionalBinLaden]

Well put! I went through a 6 week residential treatment programme which had mandatory daily meetings. I maintained that the meetings were only effective depending on the level of your addiction and werent suitable for all addicts. My councellers insisted that my attitude to AA had to change and that if i didnt embrace the fellowship I was doomed to fail in recovery.

[EmotionalBinLaden]

After openly questioning the 12 step programme at meetings I felt ostracized by other AA members which infuriated me. I feel AA gives people with alcohol problems a do or die ultimatum for a problem that has more than one solution. My recovery was done my own way and by my own will. Great post. Thanks.

[mbryanf]

Can't tell you how much I agree with you. I have been going to AA for 8 years and have failed to put together more then 6 months of sobriety. Finally now I am considering other options!

[killerKougar]

do you have any satellite offices? Atlanta to be exact. I have never viewed my problem as a disease! rather a mix between chemical reation in the body and repetitious behavior. Going Monday to a therapist for the first time and I already have the sneaky suspicion that he/she will reccommend the AA 12-step program. How does one combat that without looking like a helpless alcoholic? Been doing research for 4-5 years on this and I think I'm a little educated on the subject.

[Derek799]

I always wondered why we get arrested and thrown in jail for having a disease LOL

[the101program]

Beautiful :-)

[n22perv]

I agree with all that you say but , alcohol has been a problem for me for a long time. I was off of alcohol for 3 years from September 2002 to October 2005 but succumbed from "social pressure" in ST.Eulalia Ibiza where alcohol is available all over the place. I really want to get off of it again, but fucking can't !!!!

[dankedoab]

Thank You.

[mtensign]

I like your video and I checked out your website. I also know you have to support your program and the work I'm sure it does. Is there any way you can share more explicitly the way by which we can cure our minds? These supplements/foods must be available... Is it just a matter of eating more greens and less processed food? That's the feeling I got... Orthomolecular? Throw us some bones beyond AA doesnt work.

[hedges2]

the 'disease concept' of regarding alcoholism that the cult of AA promotes, is a lie which is why AA doesn't work for over 97% of people who join.

[the101program]

this is becuase you have not HEALED the root cause in the damaged neuroendocrine system. Many who quit drinking unknowingly CONTINUE the damage to this very delicate system responsible for NATURALLY sufficiently self-medicating you with the natural feel goods (beta endorphins, serotonin, GABA and dopamine. We are not encouraging you to drink after healing this system either. When CURED - you do not desire to drink because you are symptom free. That is the misconception about a true cure.

[CelticReject]

I agree with much of what you say. However, I also know from personal experiance that if I EVER drink alcohol it sets me off on a very vicious and fast descent into daily drinking, and my life rapidly falls to pieces. My body/mind just cannot deal with that molecule.

[Mommywhereareu]

I agree with you. While I know I am an alcoholic and a drug addict I do not think AA has helped me. I think living life and making smart decisions works for me. What truly got me clean was the realization that everytime I used, terrible things happened. After awhile I realized that all I needed to do was remember those experiences and thats what keeps me sober. Hopefully that makes sense

[ulikedit]

repy to Mommywhereareu:

I agree with you! That makes complete sense. Besides the fact that I respond to POSITIVE reinforcement, rather than only NEGATIVE like you find at AA! Tell me I CAN stop drinking, just focus & I CAN. Tell me I CAN'T stop unless I do a bunch of nonsensical things(12 steps, etc) then I CAN'T STOP cause I can't do all that nonsensical stuff they want you to do. It makes me WANT a drink so I can forget how low I've sunk to try & get help. AA was the worst thing I ever tried.

[hedges2]

When the will is devalued, as it is in the cult of AA, so is action, independent thought, and healthy social relations.

[markxyz32]

Can you give a reference for the statistics you used? I am interested in looking into this issue as well. Thanks!

[markxyz32]

Thanks. Can you give a reference for the statistics that you are using? I'm interested in looking into this too.

[the101program]

yes. Call AA headquarters in New York.

[ezyreap]

aa does not work

[rmcc0004]

AA is bullshit. It sets the person addicted up to fail. Once you admit you are powerless to fix your own problems, you're screwed.

Alcoholism is an addiction, not a disease. If it was a disease, it's the only one who's only cure is prayer.

[yourholisticlife]

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, for addressing the truth behind alcohol addiction. AA, while it may be a healing 'crutch' for some, is not the answer. With any malady, be it an addiction or a disease, there is an underlying cause that MUST be dealt with in its entirety, not just band-aided as our society has become so accustomed to under the blanket of 'Westernized medicine'.

[gmannorth]

thanks for your view on aa,have any programs

[the101program]

yes. in and out patient detox and neuroendocrine (brain chemistry) rebalancing. unlike traditional rehabs, we do not use toxic drugs to further damage your neuro-net and liver. We detox you safely and thoroughly while addressing the root cause of the symptoms that you both chose alcohol to self medicate and were the result alcohol abuse created by damaging these delicate organs. Only through completely healing the symptoms can you actually cure addictive biochemistry.

[Manicmindofmrbrown]

how much do you charge

[Jrunri]

Very good points.

Thanks for posting this :)

We desperately need alternatives to AA!!!

[AlkieFish]

I hate AA. I got kicked for life from aaonline....I made a video to prove this.

Type in AlkieFish( on youtube ofcourse)....and see it.

[huntergray19]

aa doesnt work

[prschuster]

Good video!

[mpastore82]

She nails it. I had an underlying anxiety problem and an AA meeting chock full of caffeine and sugar is going to help me??? People stop booze and now substitute with coffee, donuts and cigarettes. Wow.

[kellybean423]

I agree, thanks. a sponsor once told me while having an anxiety attact ( I actually called her during) that I am in fear because I have no faith and get off the pity pot! She told me to go read page 86 then hung up on me. I have been raised by dysfunctional parents. why then would I want to go to a program where you can"t question, feel good, say your happy or sad with out being told off or shut up and sit down and all the shit I grew up with.

Thanks for this info. I am sick of AA

[twelvesteprobot]

So, there are 2 choices. Slip out the back door or make them throw you out the front. At least you may influence others to do the same. Again, thankyou very much for the wisedom and insight offered here

[twelvesteprobot]

thanks for a great informative clip. The nutritional/metabolic healing suggestions is exactly where I have been coming from in the last few weeks. Last night while in group i told my 12 step robot addiction group therapist to shove it up his ass. I have been feeling good ever since. The confusion and guilt i was feeling have disappeared. Sadly I have probably been black marked by these 12 step robots as they have power over recovery persons who attend government programs.

[morebooks2005]

It's also been my experience that not only does AA have a miserable success rate (AA at most hasn't been able to garner more than a 2-3% success rate by their own admission) research has shown no increase in success in pair 12-step groups with biopsychosocial / psychoeducational treatment approach.

Suggesting that "AA works" as a reason to refer isn't enough to convince me to support a referral for any of my clients. I am extremely cautious of any program with limited success.

[morebooks2005]

I have been an addictions counselor for the last 23+ years and have been sober over 27 years. I have become extremely critical of the entire 12-step movement in the last 10 years.

While there is substantial evidence that long-term recovery happens when someone is connected to support, I don't see AA as a viable option to sustain long-term abstinence.

[ffatali]

thanks for posting i needed to hear that . Thank you

[worldokp]

AA sucks and hurts more people than it helps.

[lesGroves]

Agree,I felt like I was the only tree in the forest at "meetings". Been sober since 1999. I just wanted to stop feeling like s*&t and losing self control.

[redbluffhill1]

What a refreshing informative video... great post!!

[oldcity68]

I think this is 100% sound advice.

[simondean63]

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

[the101program]

You are the rule not the exception as far as AA members go as shared in the video. You are damaging the very same deficient neuroendocrine system that caused your attraction to alcohol and this is the reason for the extremely high (over 90%) relapse rate of AAer's. And you've got to get off the meds! They produce nothing but chemical lobotomies and further brain, liver, endocrine, GI and heart damage. You are not getting well with the method you have chosen to recover.

[the101program]

And yes, we and many other orthomolecular practitioners as well as Bill W. himself have tried to get this natural treatment with such excellent results into the AA experience and teach AA what it is that is harmful to their members and it has been as it is today a shut door with them. This way of closing out evidence-based treatments that help their members is costing people their quality of life and many times, their life itself.

[leprozac]

What about social epi-genetic influence? Dietary support is wonderful and I'm curious if there are parts of the support and format of AA that are worth keeping to add to a wholistic treatment.

[the101program]

Yes, of course the epigenetic influenecs are addressed once the biochemistry is straightened out and the cells can actually benefit from the superior energetic influences up on the mind. Unfortunately though, what people do not understand is that you can't meet with any sustainable healthy results with mind/body energy healing while the biochemistry is poisoned but they are absolutely an integral piece of the recovery.

[rodneychant]

AA works for some. I've been clean and sober for over ten years, I ended up leaving AA. An AA member recently criticized me for leaving and told me I wasn't even close to being recovered. I personally needed other avenues for my recovery. Everyone should have the freedom to chose and not be criticized for it.

[midtrafford]

Ok, what were the success rates of AA back in the 1930's? I've been led to believe that they were not much different to today. You're correct about alcoholism been a fantasy disease, and it been counterproductive to use a socially conservative support group as a remedy.

[untenableposition]

Thank you for helping to get the truth out about AA. I have seen it fail for me and many close friends. We are now sober without AA.

[2008ljr]

I have to ask though, as a current member of AA, do you feel any cravings for alcohol at all? I ask as I am pondering leaving myself.

[the101program]

after healing the neuroendocrine system of both the damage done by alcohol and the conditions /symptoms that encouraged its use in the first place, NO, you have absolutely NO cravings.

[Commonsense11111]

true I have no cravings, and have not in years.

I have been away from AA for a very long time.

I have no idea why anyone would attend for 30 years, unless AA is their new addiction

[ItalianCeltic11]

Throughout the Big Book it talks about being recovered, just don't actually

come out and say your recovered or you will be labeled crazy or in denial.

For the rest of my days I will be grateful that AA opened me up to my own truth, and that I had the courage to leave the fold.

Thank you for validating my experience in AA.

[fucummings]

I had that exact experience. I said that I was recovered, as it says in the big book. I said that I hadn't drank in three years, no longer had cravings, but was there to get greater spirituality.

WOW, did I get yelled at.  I was told that I was using semantics, and that I was insulting everyone in the room by saying that I was recovered, and that I was IN DENIAL of a diseases that would kill me. At first I was angry, but I just felt sorry for the poor fools!

[ItalianCeltic11]

The alcohol seemed to help for many years until thankfully it stopped

working. After 16 months without alcohol or any substitute prescribed or otherwise and working a "Program of recovery the anxiety disappeared. Going through

the 12 Steps allowed me once and for all to be released from my past and focus on this very moment.

When I shared that I was free of all mind(mood) altering substances and that I was genuinely happy and comfortable with myself and others the Witch Hunt began.

[ItalianCeltic11]

When you believe and experience the "Promises of AA" you are ostracized. !!!

Silly me! When I came to believe that a "Power Greater than myself" could restore me to sanity and it actually happened, I was nearly excommunicated from the

fold.

When AA worked for me I was ostracized by many of the so called "winners" or the senior members. For my entire life I chose to create and battle anxiety and

probably a mild depression seemingly related to childhood trauma and substance abuse.

[whynotliberty]

thank you, i have been a member for 20 years and have been aware of the problems you are stating, the whole country is over medicated not just AA. i think our sucess rate is so low because so many people have been sent to AA by the courts and treatment centers, that are not ready for recovery, or that have an alcohol problem. thank you for telling people that we are a support group and not treatment.

[19171955]

Blame the courts and treatment centres, it is AA its self, that is a total failure.Plus AA makes a shit load of cash from people who have be ordered to a volunteer religious organisation!

[shadowdink]

thank you