@LennyMocambo I KNOW!!!!! I hate searching for shit and ending up listening to some video some liberal ass pussy fuck talk about war ( something he would never have the go-nads to do himself )
ive spoken with iraqis, and 99 percent of them agree that it would be better if the US left altogether, and if they stay any longer, i hope it leads to the downfall of the government
I think a United Nation of the "Middle East" with State such in the way as the US might benefit the whole area.
Just a thought. Trying to brake down more then one country and still maintain that country's "borders" is hard but Districtizing areas in some way might not be a bad idea.
Just multipley $10Bil a month that could be payig our debt to China for the cost of our military being in IRAQ & Afghanistan. TAX All American Corp's 90% for all profits they MADE. Don't pay the FED, just send the money directly to China .Increase States Power & lesson FEDeral. GET military out &bring in 30k PEACECorp volunteers. Now that would make a difference. American inginuity, honesty on a human level. Good job training too!
Why do we (the U.S.) do what we do? Seriously, why do we try to control everything in the world. The Middle East doesn't "hate us" for our "freedom." They hate us because we try to CONTROL. Also, there is no success in the Middle East, only Republican spin.... so, arvydas0069, pull your head out of your a** and wake up! "Overwhelming..." ...please!
Well here we are 2 years later and the Iraq surge was an overwhelming success. I was there in 2005 and just got back for the 3rd time in October. Like night and day.
And by the way Riggle is always going to be a Marine and he's a conservative-leaning moderate like most of us
The Iraq surge was an overwhelming succes? How many US troops are dead? How many Iraqy civilians are dead? Isn't the country still a big mess? The only success is that they got their hands on the oil.
LOL yeah we're just rolling in oil.... LMAO You NEOLIBS are funnier everyday. I just got back from Baghdad you idiot. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about from experience.
Yeah, you know, Doing something automatically makes you know everything about it. I've played the stock market so I know when to buy or sell! YEAH![/sarcasm]
You do realize that Rob Riggle is being sarcastic and is working for a liberal biased show? And if the most of us are conservative then why didn't McCain or any of the other republicans win?
Rob Riggle is a former Marine you idiot. He's a registered Republican. He was the Commanding Officer of the USMC Public Affairs Battalion even when he was a comedian. Maybe you should do your reasearch before making yourself look unintelligent....or maybe you just are....but I still have hope for you. Obama won because only George H.W. Bush was elected to president from the incumbent party after a two term President held office since FDR and the two term limit-tough to do. Plus, he's the messiah
Yes he has worked for the Marines I never said anything about him not, but just because you are in the Marines does not necessary mean that you're republican. Second there is no evidence proving Riggle is a registered republican and if he was why is he working for a liberal biased show? Did you ever think that the people of America decided that the conservative ways weren't working best for the country and wanted a different approach?
Great video. I think I'm going to check out other videos on this channel. Just a point of correction though. You adressed Rob Riggle as a former Marine. No such thing. Once a Marine, always a Marine.
Yes, stating the empirical facts of Iran and Syria is ah, "vilifying" them. Got it. Check. Er, how DOES one vilify decades old hereditary and theocratic Islamic Fascist theocracy's? Call them Berkeley? thereligionofpeace com drsanity blogspot com thepeoplescube com dissectleft blogspot comfaithfreedom org stophonourkillings com theprophetofdoom net
The Prez of Iran came around 4 tea the other night & said he has no ambitions of his own at all. No nukes & he said "I love Jews! Who cares about a Global Islamic Caliphate? I don't!" After disappearing to the bathroom with several staff members of Columbia U for an hour, he returned & said "Lets just all laugh & make cane baskets together!" Great news eh? thereligionofpeace com drsanity blogspot com thepeoplescube com faithfreedom org stophonourkillings com theprophetofdoom net
I'm in complete awe. This is the first thing i've ever seen on Youtube that made sense. I agree with the proposal at the end albeit its probably impossible to get them all on one page.
I think hes probably so monotonous about the situation so that he can present the information in a completely unbiased way.
"... i worry that just leaving Iraq now would be like leaving the scene of an accident, or a crime. Depending on whether you view the war as an accident or a crime."
what a sentence! no offence, but i'd buy it more if there was an charisma or passion
Every war has the ultimatum of "do this or die". That's war.
Keep in mind that Saddam had surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY after the first war, Clinton acted as if the surrender never happened, and never held Saddam accountable for escalating his atrocities.
Why after 2 wars why would America settle for anything less than a democratic Iraq? You seem to think we are there to steal oil, not to help eradicate tyranny. Where are the tankers full of this oil we have stolen? Is it in Denmark?
Why is democracy better than a theist government or totalitarianism? Really? You seem to be asking how Americans can feel justified in forcefully replacing one government with another.
If someone says "convert to Islam or Die" it's the same as "give us control of your thoughts and minds". In contrast Americans are demanding the Iraq government, empowers its PEOPLE with individual rights, and the ability to remove unresponsive or corrupt government officials peacefully.
"LIBERAL Democracy" You've just lost the vote of every person the ultra-conservatives have influenced and made to believe that word is an evil, nasty, dirty thing. Of course, you use it in your name. I can only wonder what they think of you before even watching a single video...
a congres would be nice but the people who need to organize it are making all the money in this current situation so it will not happen. JUST GET THE FUCK OUT AND LET THE DICE ROLE AS THEY MAY!
i believe soemthing needs to happen.. other than just keeping troops there... if we could talk with all the countries and get them to work together for a stable iraq... 'sure'
My puny knowledge of politics informs me that for a democracy to be successful, the potential constituency must have food, shelter, and peace; basic necessities must be met before people can even posit on politics.
I think -and this is pretty crude, I know- the US has to occupy Iraq while distributing food, providing shelter, etc., and once needs are met, allow the Iraqi people to participate in a genuine democratic election.
Once there is a legitimate gov't, they can bring the kids home.
We need to get help from other nations, because they want an Iraq which is stable, because Iraq determines the balance of power in the region. All of the nations around it want more influence in Iraq, so we need them to reach an agreement. Also, this "congress of vienna" must not become like the Treaty of Versailles, and lead to other wars. The U.S. must respect all interests and have the U.N. enforce the treaty, and make sure it has force to back it up, we don't want another league of nations.
YEAH, I DONT agree with PPL saying that the US should WITHDRAWN rightaway. YOU certainly has a BIG RESPONSIBILITY, considering it was the US who MESSED it ALL UP in the FIRST place.
We have a responsibility to the Iraqi people to rebuild their nation because as you said, we did cause the mess. On the other hand, our troops cannot stay in the middle of a civil conflict untli the Iraqi's decide to stop shooting each other. All the surge is doing is prolonging the ineveitable, which is a political agreement between the Sunnis, Shiites, & Kurds. This is the only way out of Iraq.
LiberalViewer, firstly - nice work. Now you say that the 'US bears certain responsibility for the Iraq it leaves behind'. True, but responsibility is only as good as the paper it's written on when accompanied by 'accountability'. And no one addresses any root causes - that most Americans are fed propaganda instead of history. They don't know the role their country has played since Columbus' day. Here's an example - why was Panama invaded about 12 times by the U.S. between 1903 and 1989?
Because the United States wanted control of the Canal, it was dug in 1903, because they wanted to dig the canal and control a large amount of trade a revenue. By helping Panama rebel, they received the canal site. It's all economics, they wanted to tax that trade route so they would get rich. They also needed that government to stay in power so that it would continue to let them have control of the canal. So the U.S. takes control through the 20th century to protect it's econ interests.
Implement peace Players International programs around the war torn sectors of Iraq while we steadily pull out and teach the children to becomes friends despite their ethnic or religious differences through basketball.
we should leave. no matter when we leave they will always be at war. look at korea. We are still there and the north is still ready to attack when we leave. We should ge tout now because if we do not we will neve rbe able to leave because everyone there is seein that a new enemys is in town so lets fight him. Also the conutry is falling apart because we are streched to thin. look what happened to the greeks and romans. It will happen again.
On Noth Korea, shouldn't they be allowed to have their government, Wilsonian self determination? Although they are cruel, what can we do, it would be another Iraq, just with China having a bunch of Nukes in our face, trying to gain control, and Russia would be on our side this time, no one wants to see that. Wars lead to more wars, if you use diplomacy that is successful, you can avoid a massive breakout of war, much like the congress of Vienna did until WWI.
I was incredibly pro-war after 9/11, but I think the war should stop now.
I mean, those uncivilized tribes of the Middle East have been fighting for hundreds of years, and they certainly won't stop. Especially if decent people like us (Americans) try to teach them decency.
why were you pro-war after 9/11? Invading Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists who did 9/11. For some reason, most people actually fell for the administration's "if we're not there, then they'll be here" crap. I'm sorry to hear that you are one more. And I suggest watching who your are calling an "uncivilized tribe". Perhaps you have magically missed the fact that the entire middle east is not exactly alike- they are different countries with different governments and fullyformed societies.
I feel the need to informe you, yes the fighting in the middle east will not be solved over night, but how can you group together all americans and call them decent, and all the middle east as uncivilized. with those 2 statments you have sown your self to be arrogant and narrow minded. And if you think invading a country like you did was to teach them decency, you are a very immature girl and sadly mistaked.
She's just stating her opinion, chill out. It's a common one at that. Many did believe hitting Afganistan was purely right. Infact, many still agree with it, including Democrats. It's Iraq that people dissagree on.
I realize the situation with the US in the contemporary ME is different since here colonialists are not necessarily slicing up the region to make deals amongst themselves. However, I STRESS: However good a superpowers intentions are (and let's not take too pretty a view of that since they are likely to be several shady individuals putting their oar in), they just CANNOT understand the true needs and aspirations of another area, however hard they try.
They should especially not rely on the opinions of Middle Eastern exiles or even much of the Westernised globe-trotting Middle Eastern elite for they are not in sync with the general population given their rather detached lives (in distance or in lifestyles). They usually have their own agendas to promote and can tend to not be very cautious about consequences for the country since they can always wing it to foreign shores if things get too warm...
The US' best option would be to stress good principles (Wilsonian ones if so-wished) in domestic policy during their dealings with the existing Middle Eastern administrations so they can be a source of encouragement or a voice of human rights.
But what the US should NOT do is MEDDLE directly. Almost a century of involvement in the Middle East has shown that such interventions bear no fruit since they are resented and viewed as foreign by people who may even want and need the policy. There is no reason to think that the US will be successful at redrawing borders - all they can do is work through the UN and this time LISTEN to the security council. That's the best policy.
As regards Iraq, it would be unfair to withdraw until a measure of AUTONOMY and stability has been achieved by the Iraqi administration - deBathification looks like a hopeful sign at present. To withdraw will be disgusting, irresponsible, cowardly and ultimately counterproductive (see result in Afghanistan in 1989-92).
The US must ensure that enough indigenous support has been put in place for the heavy, unstable shelf before pulling our their hands from beneath it. It does not even have to be the perfect, ideal support - just a strong, stable, sustainable one (even a simple but steady chair would do if nothing fancy is at hand). Only then should the hand be pulled out, else the shelf and its contents will crash to the floor... It is the least the US can do for a tragic land.
Finally, why allow corrupt "private military contractors" such as Blackwater to control rebuilding in Iraq while Iraqis suffer in unemployment? As for Afghanistan, I don't recall America taking full control of the situation itself but rather fighting a proxy war only to have their puppets go rogue when they realized they were pawns in the international game of the Cold War. There are very important differences in context between the Iraq/Afghanistan situations (support for occupiers, etc.).
Well in any case I agree with the first half or so of what he said. Perhaps some international presence would do good, but I'm not so sure about an American presence which so far has only increased instability and caused doctors, among others to flee the nation, not to mention the resulting shortage of basic health care necessities and a lack of electricity..(cont.)
I agree completely with zzzzPakistan. Superpowers with good intentions ought to use their influence to rule by example rather than through direct interference (if they have bad intentions then they should get out). It's similar to the Israeli-Palestinian situation in the sense that whatever side gets the direct backing of the superpower is seen as an "American crony", undermining the validity of their arguments in the eyes of the other parties involved, thus hindering progress toward stability.
No easy answers there. Being a history student though, I would definitely oppose a Congress of Vienna. That was an entirely different matter since that was EUROPEANS sorting out EUROPE and imperialism/colonialism was not really involved. An example of a map drawn by foreign or alien forces is the late 19th century formal division of Africa (that conference was in Belgium I think). That was a total mess.
I realize the situation with the US in the contemporary ME is different since here colonialists are not necessarily slicing up the region to make deals amongst themselves. However, I STRESS: However good a superpowers intentions are (and let's not take too pretty a view of that since they are likely to be several shady individuals putting their oar in), they just CANNOT understand the true needs and aspirations of another area, however hard they try.
Have a gradual removal of troops until the economy is somewhat stabilized and democracy somewhat reinstated. don't think this will happen anytime soon, and again there's no easy answer. it's unrealistic to just remove troops. then again, I still can't believe people elected Bush again fully knowing that he would do something like this. wish I could have voted, was too young then. Man, surprised at how little people are informed before they vote.
Being a liberal theorist, I believe that the economy is the surest way. Revive the economic interests and the livelihood at stake in Iraq and for their people. Secondly, reduce arms so that weapons don't end up in the wrong hands--this will take a lot more negotiation/threats which means more diplomatic relations NOT resorting to military intervention.
quite simply put, the vienna conference seems like the best alternative, but realistically speaking, how much could it possibly accomplish? Again, Wilson was too much of an idealist and Bush's neorealist views have got us nowhere. The best alternative, in my opinion, would not be an immediate withdrawal of troops, but a gradual shift. Begin by stabilizing the economy.
if it were that easy it would have been done by now. Fact is there is no 100% perfect way to get out of Iraq and either way there will be bloodshed by US and Iraqi people. Blabloempa has it right, There is no short term solution
Those people hate each other so much and wanna kill each other so much that a meeting won't work. The only thing those people at first had is fear to fight because then they would have to answer to saddam. Right now the fighting is still minimal dispite what other people might think. Soon as the US pulls out it will be all out cival war. Look at US it self, it's still in minor cival strive between white and black.
Let those people figure it out. They can't possibly do worse than our meddling. If we had a respectable government, maybe we could make the situation. Since we are full of totally corrupt war-profiteers, the best possible outcome for all involved (besides KBR and Halliburton types) is to leave immediately. Vote Ron Paul 2008!
At least this video does not attract comments that Bush is Hitler and should be impeached yada yada yada. Pres Bush as POTUS must work behind the scenes,nation to nation out of the perview of even the press. He must look 20,30,50 years ahead. It will be inexpensive to maintain military bases in Iraq in the future and good for our nat'l security.Iraq must self govern.I don't see how just yet.
Scene of the crime. No one is going to prosecute the US. So if the criminal is going to go unpunished isn´t it best for the common good that the criminal behavior end as soon as possible? Let the chips fall where they may, fall where they may, fall where they may.
you don't stay at a crime scene with nothing to do, you call the cops, right? that's what needs to be done; the troops leave now, and a UN peace-keeping force moves in. and voila! iraq gets stabilized, the soldiers come home and we impeach bush and cheney.
all you people are dipshits, the U.N isn't gonna do jack shit to help us out and Bush sent us to war, big fucking whoop get the fuck over it you fucking Clinton lover
git. you're saying this war is completely insignificant? that sounds so unpatriotic. obviously you don't care about the millions of lives lost in this pointless war. maybe the un's not perfect, but the troops aren't capable of doing anything to stabilize anything. "all you people are dipshits" you fucking nazi.
If the UN moves in to take over then everyone will hold there breathe to see what happens, and at first things should be pretty calm, but in a few months... boom!!! It would blow up in their faces. Your crime scene analogy was in poor taste by the way. That's why FinFag responded the way he did.
ok, well, why is it so damn great that the troops stay in iraq? the way i see it, as long as the troops stay, we'll have more casualties, more brave young men and women will die. the US invation is fuelig the insurgency. period.
I mostly agree with you, but Wilson's 14 points are obsolete, not in principal but in actual application (hence the citation of Wilson's 12th point seems off).
Also, the Congress of Vienna met because they all had a cause they were fighting against; squashing the democratic ideas of the French. The Middle East has nothing to bond over except possibly for dislike of the US, but even that is not fully agreed upon.
I am in broad agreement with the thoughts expressed on the video but at the same time I wonder if the Iraqis politicians need the prospect of a US withdrawal to focus their minds on the work to be done. There can be no lasting peace without involving Iraq's neighbours, that's for sure. Thank you for an interesting collection of clips I otherwise wouldn't see.
I don't understand JPC's comment: if you want to watch the original clips, search for those. I, for one (and undoubtedly with many others), enjoy this change of pace and someone not just complaining about Bush, Iraq, etc., but actually thinking, putting forth questions that can make someone actually think, and also providing possible solutions. I also respect how he doesn't say "I'm right, you're wrong, get over it", like I hear/read so much these days. Bravo
Well I just harped on a few of your other videos, but this time you have at least one thing dead right: "just pull out" would have dire consequences, so if there is an Iraq 'debate' and not an Iraq 'idea talks', it should be those who supported the war from the beginning vs those who believe 'we broke it, now we gotta fix it.'
You have it backwards. I put the clips in my video to support my argument/analysis. Without my argument/analysis, it would be much more difficult to defend against a claim of copyright infringement, so your comment is very bad legal advice. If u don't want to hear my argument/analysis, don't watch my videos.
I said in my video that the Congress of Vienna was only PARTIALLY successful b/c of problems like the Balkans that continued to fester. But, the Congress of Vienna moved things forward and was PARTIALLY successful in addressing Europe's ethnic problems. I thought it was a good analogy for what the MidEast needs, updated for the 21st Century
with Wilsonian principles of democracy and self-determination
Funny how that now that it looks like the US is going to pull out that the militia in different areas are getting their act together so they can survive the absence of troops which is improving their current control of the areas. Pretty damn funny.
Dude you seriously need to stop backing up your "points", if they can even be called that, from the FUCKING COLBERT REPORT!! ur seriously fucking retarded and i am NOT A DEM OR A REB im what we are all supposed to be, what George Washington was, AN AMERICAN
Who cares what the children on Iraq think? The Arabs in Europe are slaughtering the natives there everyday. Yet we don't hold resentment to the natives.
1) I'm a Ron Paul supporter
2) But I don't like these crocodile tears like "The children of Iraq will hate us". If someone here actually truly cares about the Arabs of Iraq, I would be surprised.
someone will have to come and "clean up" bush's mess, but we must not abandon those people after what we have done. then their hate will be totally justified.
bush screwed up. we all know that. and like he says in the video whether you think it was accidental or criminal we cant leave those people now. I wqas totally for the simple answer just bring the troops home almost all my teenage life. i have had to swallow my pride 1000 times to come to that conclusion.
You have good intentions but you are extremely naive. Do you actually believe that we went there to spread peace and freedom? Our government (the International Bankers and pals) don't give 2 sh#ts about those people having peace and freedom (or us for that matter)! They went there for oil and military contracts. That's it. And the Dems went right along with the Neocons because they're on the take too. Man wake up.
@fireFox point well made I agree totaly with your assesment. it is simply naive to think any other way. Also the confilict between suni and shia was perpetrated by Bush and company. "devide & conquer"
yeah but without war what should call of duty 5 then be about ha? So let the war continue, is my decision. These mohameds want to meet allah so badly well lets help them and make video games about it. That's a non gay solution.
And I have to agree with an earlier poster who mentioned that Wilsonian ideas of breaking up countries (empires, whatever) along ethnic lines is a mistake. Just look at what happened in Europe's backyard, the former Yugoslavia.
if you think that Yugoslavia was broken apart on ethnic lines, then lol. it was broken apart on lines that corresponded to the federal divisions within the country. the individual communities within the political delineations were ethnically mixed, even if one group predominated within a given one. the carnage started within those ethnically mixed communities when the groups started killing or cleansing each other.
I like the idea of getting the neighbors involved. But I hasten to add that Wilsonian principles have not led to much good in the world. Maybe if he hadn't fallen ill and had had more sway over the Treaty of Versailles. But all the bad in the Middle East is certainly because of the end of World War I. I truly believe that we, and especially the Iraqi people, are effed.
If America leaves Iraq now, in my opinion there would be a mass genocide. Example of what happened in Cambodia. When The US troops left the Communist rounded up everyone that followed the way of the "american" and had them all killed off. I see this happening in Iraq if the troops were to leave this war unfinished.
The US could occupy Iraq for a 100 years and never leave, without it descending into destruction. Britain Europe and the US have been screwing over that region's inhabited for nearly a 100 years already. GWB misbegotten war is only the latest idioacy.
The US invasion of Iraq has undoubtedly had the biggest destabilising effect on the region since Israeli statehood; not to say I'm questioning Israel's sovereignty, just that it had flustered one to many feathers. To leave now would create a political vacuum. A frantic land grab would inevitably ensue with every nasty and undesirable faction wanting a piece of that pie.
Low available troop numbers won't stop Bush going to war on Iran. There will be no ground troops...just a long and massive aerial and missile bombardment...
ZORNLOVE: Woodrow Wilson was a rascist. His promise of enthic independence was bull. He was only interested in braking up the Austrian-Hungarian empire according to ethnic devide. When Ho Chi Minh asked the U.S. to support Vietnamese independence from the French, he was ignored and same forty-five years later we paid the price for Wilsons hypocracy.
Splitting up the middle east by ethnic and religious sects would't work because no country wants to loose the oil they have now. Turkey doesn't want a free Kurdistan because they would give up their eastern oil reserves.
As a fellow American I want to inform you that I view you more an enemy to me - my family and MY COUNTRY then al Quaeda ( I know a made up enemy) or bin Laden. I view you as an insurgent - and don't laugh - I'm not playing with words here. You see, the problem here is that if Bush is a dictator then I'm waiting for him to suspend the constitution. Isn't that what a dictator does?
But if he departs Washington in Jan 09 then will you apolgize to America? Because if he does leave without seizing a dictatorship then you are wrong and it's just another PLAY AND CHAPTER in the DESTROY BUSH CAMPAIGN. The real problem here is that after Bush is gone, and he is not suspending the Constitution, America still will have to content with the next wave of extremism and radical leftist like Hillary and the Kennedys and the Schumers and the moveon(dot)org.
Oh - if the Democrats win the white house they are going to take America down their own road of extremist. Hang on country - you;d better buy some extra underwear but your gonna be shitten when you see what Democrats have in store for America.
I want you to also know that I think you should be watch and treated for subverting this country. Be against the war. I understand. But your reckless and your playing with peoples lives. I bet there is a whole lot more about this country that you hate.
if you did not know, which i am guessing by your response is that you dont know, is that this administration has already rendered the constitutional right to habeas corpus worthless. Any person, citizen or not, can be imprisoned indefinitely without a court order or trial and without cause other than being under the suspicion of being an unlawful enemy combatant, provided by executive orders 13303-13315.
The left thinks that they are sooo smart but they understand nothing. This is a global war, it is on and people who undermine it are aiding and abbeting an enemy that wants to destroy us.
Liberals don't even take their own side in a fight.
What computer programme does the voice for the narration for this video? It's like an upgrade version from what Stephen Hawkins uses. This one doesn't sound as robotic. The Japanese are great, unless Bill Gates did this, this time.
I don't think US will ever leave Iraq, unless oil becames obsolete. The oil in Iraq is traded in dollar now, after the US invasion. Iran is trading in Euro... That's my few cents.
Yeah. Great idea genius. Bring Wilson into it all. The man who fired all black people working in the White House, allowed the KKK to parade in Washington and invaded Russia during the revolution, effectively starting the Cold War. Wilson was an interventionist, militaristic, monster of a President. Almost every single one of his policies were disasters. And you want to bring his ideas into this? I say, no. Not just no. Hell no.
the iraqis were made of gangsters and warlords. Saddam hussein kept them in check. the US should never have interfered. Iran would not be so bold today if saddam was still in iraq. Everything that is going wrong in the middle east is the fault of GWB. The US needs to review the expansionist nature of its democracy. Not all countries are ready for it. I believe that democracy should come naturally such as what had happened in Spain in the 20th century.
i am not one to be interested in the political and social sciences being a science geek most of my life. but i loved the thoughts and issues you bring up. the vienna congress way is a simple and probably the right solution forward but in no way is it practical. unfortunately, no country would want to give up its land or resources that easily. and we cannot forcibly redraw their maps and dictate new boundries for them.
yes on congress, but the ppl are scared if we wont withdraw now or demand that of the govnt then they will...well lets have an agreement that thats their oil and they could do what they want with it, or have an agreement btwn the ppl and the establishment and basically very cheap oil for us we want a 40/60 split of revenue
i didn't catch all of these cause i was playing MW3 while watching this.
Frrreshbeatz 2 months ago
i would leave cause its not my problem and its non of my buisness fair enough.
hardkoregamer999 3 months ago
hahaha dumb bitch looks like we didnt go to war with Iran now did we? Now go make me a sandwich!
theHardyMonster 8 months ago
god dammit i hate when these videos pop up when youre looking for rob riggle stand up comedy....what the fucking fuck
LennyMocambo 1 year ago 3
@LennyMocambo same god damn thing im doing, have you found it yet? cuz i cant find it
silentbl00d 1 year ago
@LennyMocambo I KNOW!!!!! I hate searching for shit and ending up listening to some video some liberal ass pussy fuck talk about war ( something he would never have the go-nads to do himself )
theHardyMonster 8 months ago
what the balls i searched for rob riggle and im listening to this crap
cmoneyy11 1 year ago
yep. same here.
PumpkingGR 1 year ago
boorrrrrinnnnng
pedrosanchez05 1 year ago
ive spoken with iraqis, and 99 percent of them agree that it would be better if the US left altogether, and if they stay any longer, i hope it leads to the downfall of the government
slimv29 1 year ago
big veiny purple balls, with chicken skin on the outside and rot hanging out!, AAAAAAAARRRGGH!! It's sooooooo beautiful!, aaaarrrghhh
BeerHombre 2 years ago
Haha and he was also on The hangover who tasered the 3 dudes xD
anival2sorto 2 years ago
I think a United Nation of the "Middle East" with State such in the way as the US might benefit the whole area.
Just a thought. Trying to brake down more then one country and still maintain that country's "borders" is hard but Districtizing areas in some way might not be a bad idea.
twiztidsidfreak13 2 years ago
Lol you guys be careful talking junk
or the guy at 2:08 is going to bite yall balls off
just like how he threatned will ferrel on step brothers if will fucked up his brothers job he will bite his blls off XD
anival2sorto 2 years ago
like kobioshi!!!! it's the catalina wine mixer!
hoobie06 2 years ago
liberalviewer has some homosexual infatuation with Stephen Colbert.
bluegsp 2 years ago
Fuck'em! just LEAVE!
usernamefromhell 2 years ago 3
my mom is designing rob riggles house!
OwensMusic1 2 years ago
Just multipley $10Bil a month that could be payig our debt to China for the cost of our military being in IRAQ & Afghanistan. TAX All American Corp's 90% for all profits they MADE. Don't pay the FED, just send the money directly to China .Increase States Power & lesson FEDeral. GET military out &bring in 30k PEACECorp volunteers. Now that would make a difference. American inginuity, honesty on a human level. Good job training too!
CORPARANOID 2 years ago
Why do we (the U.S.) do what we do? Seriously, why do we try to control everything in the world. The Middle East doesn't "hate us" for our "freedom." They hate us because we try to CONTROL. Also, there is no success in the Middle East, only Republican spin.... so, arvydas0069, pull your head out of your a** and wake up! "Overwhelming..." ...please!
NykoJoe 2 years ago
Well here we are 2 years later and the Iraq surge was an overwhelming success. I was there in 2005 and just got back for the 3rd time in October. Like night and day.
And by the way Riggle is always going to be a Marine and he's a conservative-leaning moderate like most of us
arvydas0069 3 years ago
The Iraq surge was an overwhelming succes? How many US troops are dead? How many Iraqy civilians are dead? Isn't the country still a big mess? The only success is that they got their hands on the oil.
Imaculata 3 years ago
LOL yeah we're just rolling in oil.... LMAO You NEOLIBS are funnier everyday. I just got back from Baghdad you idiot. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about from experience.
arvydas0069 3 years ago
Yeah, you know, Doing something automatically makes you know everything about it. I've played the stock market so I know when to buy or sell! YEAH![/sarcasm]
KonKarasu 2 years ago
apparently you dont know
Darusdei 2 years ago
excuse me?
arvydas0069 2 years ago
You do realize that Rob Riggle is being sarcastic and is working for a liberal biased show? And if the most of us are conservative then why didn't McCain or any of the other republicans win?
someguy323 2 years ago
Rob Riggle is a former Marine you idiot. He's a registered Republican. He was the Commanding Officer of the USMC Public Affairs Battalion even when he was a comedian. Maybe you should do your reasearch before making yourself look unintelligent....or maybe you just are....but I still have hope for you. Obama won because only George H.W. Bush was elected to president from the incumbent party after a two term President held office since FDR and the two term limit-tough to do. Plus, he's the messiah
arvydas0069 2 years ago
Yes he has worked for the Marines I never said anything about him not, but just because you are in the Marines does not necessary mean that you're republican. Second there is no evidence proving Riggle is a registered republican and if he was why is he working for a liberal biased show? Did you ever think that the people of America decided that the conservative ways weren't working best for the country and wanted a different approach?
someguy323 2 years ago
Your ass just got owned by Arvydas0069, smelly scrub. I came for Rob Riggle and now I'm listening to laughable liberal bullshit.
dewhicular 2 years ago
If it did why was there no further statements to the points that i made in my last comment?
someguy323 2 years ago
Obama? the messiah... fack
lifeafter79 2 years ago
the voice, i must admit is annoying.
Vins58201 3 years ago
Great video. I think I'm going to check out other videos on this channel. Just a point of correction though. You adressed Rob Riggle as a former Marine. No such thing. Once a Marine, always a Marine.
Jrhoney 3 years ago
Yes, stating the empirical facts of Iran and Syria is ah, "vilifying" them. Got it. Check. Er, how DOES one vilify decades old hereditary and theocratic Islamic Fascist theocracy's? Call them Berkeley? thereligionofpeace com drsanity blogspot com thepeoplescube com dissectleft blogspot comfaithfreedom org stophonourkillings com theprophetofdoom net
gmakepiece 3 years ago
The Prez of Iran came around 4 tea the other night & said he has no ambitions of his own at all. No nukes & he said "I love Jews! Who cares about a Global Islamic Caliphate? I don't!" After disappearing to the bathroom with several staff members of Columbia U for an hour, he returned & said "Lets just all laugh & make cane baskets together!" Great news eh? thereligionofpeace com drsanity blogspot com thepeoplescube com faithfreedom org stophonourkillings com theprophetofdoom net
gmakepiece 3 years ago
this guy's voice is the audio version of valium.
ristan99 3 years ago
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omg this guy and his gay boring voice what a fucking faggot
rainhammer9191 3 years ago
She is an idiot. Thanks god she is not in charge or we'd be dead or wearing turbans.
Thorsanbauer 3 years ago
I'm in complete awe. This is the first thing i've ever seen on Youtube that made sense. I agree with the proposal at the end albeit its probably impossible to get them all on one page.
I think hes probably so monotonous about the situation so that he can present the information in a completely unbiased way.
l1vew17e 3 years ago
"... i worry that just leaving Iraq now would be like leaving the scene of an accident, or a crime. Depending on whether you view the war as an accident or a crime."
what a sentence! no offence, but i'd buy it more if there was an charisma or passion
peedski 3 years ago
James has no life! Send me a comment an i will tell you how
PapaAnon 3 years ago
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Iraq's have one choice, only one. Build a democratic government.
Follow the example that Japan set after WWII. If you become a world economic power, God bless you.
Following some muslem extremist mullah that shouts "death to America, and all Jews" is stupid for any Iraqi that wants to survive.
We could care less about your Allah, or your Quran.
Your family needs to live in peace, or die. Survive this war and you will see a Democratic Iraq.
That's America's intent. Live with it or die
James92802 3 years ago
You have a very hypnotizing voice.
angel2901 3 years ago
Iraq's have one choice, only one. Build a democratic government.
Follow the example that Japan set after WWII. If you become a world economic power, God bless you.
Following some muslem extremist mullah that shouts "death to America, and all Jews" is stupid for any Iraqi that wants to survive.
We could care less about your Allah, or your Quran.
Your family needs to live in peace, or die. Survive this war and you will see a Democratic Iraq.
That's America's intent. Live with it or die.
James92802 3 years ago
I am curious as to why saying "convert to Democracy or die" is somehow morally superior to saying "convert to Islam or die".
1stCainite 3 years ago
Every war has the ultimatum of "do this or die". That's war.
Keep in mind that Saddam had surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY after the first war, Clinton acted as if the surrender never happened, and never held Saddam accountable for escalating his atrocities.
Why after 2 wars why would America settle for anything less than a democratic Iraq? You seem to think we are there to steal oil, not to help eradicate tyranny. Where are the tankers full of this oil we have stolen? Is it in Denmark?
James92802 3 years ago
Why is democracy better than a theist government or totalitarianism? Really? You seem to be asking how Americans can feel justified in forcefully replacing one government with another.
If someone says "convert to Islam or Die" it's the same as "give us control of your thoughts and minds". In contrast Americans are demanding the Iraq government, empowers its PEOPLE with individual rights, and the ability to remove unresponsive or corrupt government officials peacefully.
James92802 3 years ago
"LIBERAL Democracy" You've just lost the vote of every person the ultra-conservatives have influenced and made to believe that word is an evil, nasty, dirty thing. Of course, you use it in your name. I can only wonder what they think of you before even watching a single video...
scallywagthepirate 3 years ago
4000 soldiers dead and rising, for what?
Battlecorps101 3 years ago
Helping to stop WWIII.
You see them as fools, I see them as heros.
James92802 3 years ago
Oh, my friend, we are in the post WW3 Era, we should be refueling and re-arming for it, not wasting our bombs and killing our troops for nothing.
Battlecorps101 3 years ago
Making bombs is not hard. And we have lost 4200 men.
I think we have done okay.
James92802 3 years ago
Yes, I guess your right. The U.S Military gets thousands of recruits everday, and bombs are easy to make.
Battlecorps101 3 years ago
Hell we should have started the draf the week after 9-11 and this crap would have been over in 6 months.
James92802 3 years ago
You are probably right, they wouldn't know what hit them. But now we are just sitting back watching them arm-up.
Battlecorps101 3 years ago
a congres would be nice but the people who need to organize it are making all the money in this current situation so it will not happen. JUST GET THE FUCK OUT AND LET THE DICE ROLE AS THEY MAY!
jeffsst 3 years ago
i believe soemthing needs to happen.. other than just keeping troops there... if we could talk with all the countries and get them to work together for a stable iraq... 'sure'
RedPandaBoy 3 years ago
My puny knowledge of politics informs me that for a democracy to be successful, the potential constituency must have food, shelter, and peace; basic necessities must be met before people can even posit on politics.
I think -and this is pretty crude, I know- the US has to occupy Iraq while distributing food, providing shelter, etc., and once needs are met, allow the Iraqi people to participate in a genuine democratic election.
Once there is a legitimate gov't, they can bring the kids home.
marciniscool 3 years ago
We need to get help from other nations, because they want an Iraq which is stable, because Iraq determines the balance of power in the region. All of the nations around it want more influence in Iraq, so we need them to reach an agreement. Also, this "congress of vienna" must not become like the Treaty of Versailles, and lead to other wars. The U.S. must respect all interests and have the U.N. enforce the treaty, and make sure it has force to back it up, we don't want another league of nations.
JTS11d6 3 years ago
YEAH, I DONT agree with PPL saying that the US should WITHDRAWN rightaway. YOU certainly has a BIG RESPONSIBILITY, considering it was the US who MESSED it ALL UP in the FIRST place.
xxxaabbccxxx 3 years ago
We have a responsibility to the Iraqi people to rebuild their nation because as you said, we did cause the mess. On the other hand, our troops cannot stay in the middle of a civil conflict untli the Iraqi's decide to stop shooting each other. All the surge is doing is prolonging the ineveitable, which is a political agreement between the Sunnis, Shiites, & Kurds. This is the only way out of Iraq.
moybutter 3 years ago
hey, she looks sexy in that leather jacket, is that seal skin?
whiskeymedic 3 years ago
LiberalViewer, firstly - nice work. Now you say that the 'US bears certain responsibility for the Iraq it leaves behind'. True, but responsibility is only as good as the paper it's written on when accompanied by 'accountability'. And no one addresses any root causes - that most Americans are fed propaganda instead of history. They don't know the role their country has played since Columbus' day. Here's an example - why was Panama invaded about 12 times by the U.S. between 1903 and 1989?
bluefont 3 years ago
Because the United States wanted control of the Canal, it was dug in 1903, because they wanted to dig the canal and control a large amount of trade a revenue. By helping Panama rebel, they received the canal site. It's all economics, they wanted to tax that trade route so they would get rich. They also needed that government to stay in power so that it would continue to let them have control of the canal. So the U.S. takes control through the 20th century to protect it's econ interests.
JTS11d6 3 years ago
LiberalViewer you should write for the Nation
metsfan9119 3 years ago
buddy the NWO has a agenda that that gets done.. they got think tanks behind everything
rich232399 3 years ago
Implement peace Players International programs around the war torn sectors of Iraq while we steadily pull out and teach the children to becomes friends despite their ethnic or religious differences through basketball.
bcass627 3 years ago
we should leave. no matter when we leave they will always be at war. look at korea. We are still there and the north is still ready to attack when we leave. We should ge tout now because if we do not we will neve rbe able to leave because everyone there is seein that a new enemys is in town so lets fight him. Also the conutry is falling apart because we are streched to thin. look what happened to the greeks and romans. It will happen again.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago
On Noth Korea, shouldn't they be allowed to have their government, Wilsonian self determination? Although they are cruel, what can we do, it would be another Iraq, just with China having a bunch of Nukes in our face, trying to gain control, and Russia would be on our side this time, no one wants to see that. Wars lead to more wars, if you use diplomacy that is successful, you can avoid a massive breakout of war, much like the congress of Vienna did until WWI.
JTS11d6 3 years ago
the reporter's voice makes me SICK, wipe off the water in your mouth! Sb get this guy off the TV
imnotcris 3 years ago
you've got a point but don't use the word "main reason" that easily.
merdufer 3 years ago
I was incredibly pro-war after 9/11, but I think the war should stop now.
I mean, those uncivilized tribes of the Middle East have been fighting for hundreds of years, and they certainly won't stop. Especially if decent people like us (Americans) try to teach them decency.
SlitherGirl 4 years ago
why were you pro-war after 9/11? Invading Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists who did 9/11. For some reason, most people actually fell for the administration's "if we're not there, then they'll be here" crap. I'm sorry to hear that you are one more. And I suggest watching who your are calling an "uncivilized tribe". Perhaps you have magically missed the fact that the entire middle east is not exactly alike- they are different countries with different governments and fullyformed societies.
thenaild 4 years ago 8
If you remember, we didn't invade Iraq right away. Then, we were just getting to Afghanistan to find Osama.
And I still think we need to find him, but we shouldn't waste any time trying to stop these people from fighting.
It's rather pointless to create a government which will probably be ruined as soon as we leave. =/
SlitherGirl 4 years ago
I feel the need to informe you, yes the fighting in the middle east will not be solved over night, but how can you group together all americans and call them decent, and all the middle east as uncivilized. with those 2 statments you have sown your self to be arrogant and narrow minded. And if you think invading a country like you did was to teach them decency, you are a very immature girl and sadly mistaked.
jenkinscardiff 4 years ago
She's just stating her opinion, chill out. It's a common one at that. Many did believe hitting Afganistan was purely right. Infact, many still agree with it, including Democrats. It's Iraq that people dissagree on.
iwebber88 3 years ago
Are you kidding me? just stating her opinion?
Entitlement to an opinion can be respected, the opinion itself can be criticized.
Should we have respected Hitler's opinion of the Jews?
eldukemx 3 years ago
@thenaild A lot people in the middle east still wipe their asses with their bare left hands.....REAL civilized
theHardyMonster 8 months ago
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Fuck LiberalViewer, just SHUT THE FUCK UP!
tearlesseyez 4 years ago
I realize the situation with the US in the contemporary ME is different since here colonialists are not necessarily slicing up the region to make deals amongst themselves. However, I STRESS: However good a superpowers intentions are (and let's not take too pretty a view of that since they are likely to be several shady individuals putting their oar in), they just CANNOT understand the true needs and aspirations of another area, however hard they try.
zzzzpakistan 4 years ago
They should especially not rely on the opinions of Middle Eastern exiles or even much of the Westernised globe-trotting Middle Eastern elite for they are not in sync with the general population given their rather detached lives (in distance or in lifestyles). They usually have their own agendas to promote and can tend to not be very cautious about consequences for the country since they can always wing it to foreign shores if things get too warm...
zzzzpakistan 4 years ago
The US' best option would be to stress good principles (Wilsonian ones if so-wished) in domestic policy during their dealings with the existing Middle Eastern administrations so they can be a source of encouragement or a voice of human rights.
zzzzpakistan 4 years ago
But what the US should NOT do is MEDDLE directly. Almost a century of involvement in the Middle East has shown that such interventions bear no fruit since they are resented and viewed as foreign by people who may even want and need the policy. There is no reason to think that the US will be successful at redrawing borders - all they can do is work through the UN and this time LISTEN to the security council. That's the best policy.
zzzzpakistan 4 years ago
As regards Iraq, it would be unfair to withdraw until a measure of AUTONOMY and stability has been achieved by the Iraqi administration - deBathification looks like a hopeful sign at present. To withdraw will be disgusting, irresponsible, cowardly and ultimately counterproductive (see result in Afghanistan in 1989-92).
zzzzpakistan 4 years ago
The US must ensure that enough indigenous support has been put in place for the heavy, unstable shelf before pulling our their hands from beneath it. It does not even have to be the perfect, ideal support - just a strong, stable, sustainable one (even a simple but steady chair would do if nothing fancy is at hand). Only then should the hand be pulled out, else the shelf and its contents will crash to the floor... It is the least the US can do for a tragic land.
zzzzpakistan 4 years ago
Finally, why allow corrupt "private military contractors" such as Blackwater to control rebuilding in Iraq while Iraqis suffer in unemployment? As for Afghanistan, I don't recall America taking full control of the situation itself but rather fighting a proxy war only to have their puppets go rogue when they realized they were pawns in the international game of the Cold War. There are very important differences in context between the Iraq/Afghanistan situations (support for occupiers, etc.).
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago 2
Well in any case I agree with the first half or so of what he said. Perhaps some international presence would do good, but I'm not so sure about an American presence which so far has only increased instability and caused doctors, among others to flee the nation, not to mention the resulting shortage of basic health care necessities and a lack of electricity..(cont.)
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
I agree completely with zzzzPakistan. Superpowers with good intentions ought to use their influence to rule by example rather than through direct interference (if they have bad intentions then they should get out). It's similar to the Israeli-Palestinian situation in the sense that whatever side gets the direct backing of the superpower is seen as an "American crony", undermining the validity of their arguments in the eyes of the other parties involved, thus hindering progress toward stability.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
No easy answers there. Being a history student though, I would definitely oppose a Congress of Vienna. That was an entirely different matter since that was EUROPEANS sorting out EUROPE and imperialism/colonialism was not really involved. An example of a map drawn by foreign or alien forces is the late 19th century formal division of Africa (that conference was in Belgium I think). That was a total mess.
zzzzpakistan 4 years ago
I realize the situation with the US in the contemporary ME is different since here colonialists are not necessarily slicing up the region to make deals amongst themselves. However, I STRESS: However good a superpowers intentions are (and let's not take too pretty a view of that since they are likely to be several shady individuals putting their oar in), they just CANNOT understand the true needs and aspirations of another area, however hard they try.
zzzzpakistan 4 years ago
Bless you for this effort :)
zzzzpakistan 4 years ago
Great videos, very interesting...
oskoret 4 years ago
This isn't steven colbert its just some liberal shit.
LgndryThndr 4 years ago
Have a gradual removal of troops until the economy is somewhat stabilized and democracy somewhat reinstated. don't think this will happen anytime soon, and again there's no easy answer. it's unrealistic to just remove troops. then again, I still can't believe people elected Bush again fully knowing that he would do something like this. wish I could have voted, was too young then. Man, surprised at how little people are informed before they vote.
advitam730 4 years ago
Being a liberal theorist, I believe that the economy is the surest way. Revive the economic interests and the livelihood at stake in Iraq and for their people. Secondly, reduce arms so that weapons don't end up in the wrong hands--this will take a lot more negotiation/threats which means more diplomatic relations NOT resorting to military intervention.
advitam730 4 years ago
quite simply put, the vienna conference seems like the best alternative, but realistically speaking, how much could it possibly accomplish? Again, Wilson was too much of an idealist and Bush's neorealist views have got us nowhere. The best alternative, in my opinion, would not be an immediate withdrawal of troops, but a gradual shift. Begin by stabilizing the economy.
advitam730 4 years ago
if it were that easy it would have been done by now. Fact is there is no 100% perfect way to get out of Iraq and either way there will be bloodshed by US and Iraqi people. Blabloempa has it right, There is no short term solution
bsmit389 4 years ago
I think the problem is this :
Those people hate each other so much and wanna kill each other so much that a meeting won't work. The only thing those people at first had is fear to fight because then they would have to answer to saddam. Right now the fighting is still minimal dispite what other people might think. Soon as the US pulls out it will be all out cival war. Look at US it self, it's still in minor cival strive between white and black.
Their is no short term solution.
blabloempa 4 years ago
Let those people figure it out. They can't possibly do worse than our meddling. If we had a respectable government, maybe we could make the situation. Since we are full of totally corrupt war-profiteers, the best possible outcome for all involved (besides KBR and Halliburton types) is to leave immediately. Vote Ron Paul 2008!
Hallonsylt 4 years ago
"We just went in, we should just come home." - Ron Paul
JeffTehDude 4 years ago
At least this video does not attract comments that Bush is Hitler and should be impeached yada yada yada. Pres Bush as POTUS must work behind the scenes,nation to nation out of the perview of even the press. He must look 20,30,50 years ahead. It will be inexpensive to maintain military bases in Iraq in the future and good for our nat'l security.Iraq must self govern.I don't see how just yet.
prrolg 4 years ago
Scene of the crime. No one is going to prosecute the US. So if the criminal is going to go unpunished isn´t it best for the common good that the criminal behavior end as soon as possible? Let the chips fall where they may, fall where they may, fall where they may.
charlie1der 4 years ago
gotta love rob riggle...
toyracers 4 years ago
you don't stay at a crime scene with nothing to do, you call the cops, right? that's what needs to be done; the troops leave now, and a UN peace-keeping force moves in. and voila! iraq gets stabilized, the soldiers come home and we impeach bush and cheney.
xXpimpleXx 4 years ago
all you people are dipshits, the U.N isn't gonna do jack shit to help us out and Bush sent us to war, big fucking whoop get the fuck over it you fucking Clinton lover
FinFags 4 years ago
git. you're saying this war is completely insignificant? that sounds so unpatriotic. obviously you don't care about the millions of lives lost in this pointless war. maybe the un's not perfect, but the troops aren't capable of doing anything to stabilize anything. "all you people are dipshits" you fucking nazi.
xXpimpleXx 4 years ago
If the UN moves in to take over then everyone will hold there breathe to see what happens, and at first things should be pretty calm, but in a few months... boom!!! It would blow up in their faces. Your crime scene analogy was in poor taste by the way. That's why FinFag responded the way he did.
ArcaneKarma 4 years ago
ok, well, why is it so damn great that the troops stay in iraq? the way i see it, as long as the troops stay, we'll have more casualties, more brave young men and women will die. the US invation is fuelig the insurgency. period.
xXpimpleXx 4 years ago
I mostly agree with you, but Wilson's 14 points are obsolete, not in principal but in actual application (hence the citation of Wilson's 12th point seems off).
Also, the Congress of Vienna met because they all had a cause they were fighting against; squashing the democratic ideas of the French. The Middle East has nothing to bond over except possibly for dislike of the US, but even that is not fully agreed upon.
gajeam 4 years ago
dude you should quit cry , and whinng about bush and the war in iraq. And quit geting your stuff from the colbert report. go fuck yourself pal.
Twistedmetal09 4 years ago
NOW do you think they are serious about IRAN?
kwolf002 4 years ago
I am in broad agreement with the thoughts expressed on the video but at the same time I wonder if the Iraqis politicians need the prospect of a US withdrawal to focus their minds on the work to be done. There can be no lasting peace without involving Iraq's neighbours, that's for sure. Thank you for an interesting collection of clips I otherwise wouldn't see.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
I don't understand JPC's comment: if you want to watch the original clips, search for those. I, for one (and undoubtedly with many others), enjoy this change of pace and someone not just complaining about Bush, Iraq, etc., but actually thinking, putting forth questions that can make someone actually think, and also providing possible solutions. I also respect how he doesn't say "I'm right, you're wrong, get over it", like I hear/read so much these days. Bravo
wemmitt87 4 years ago
Think about it. A war with Iran may be just all the Tomohawk missles we can afford. The war is all about stopping Iran from pumping oil.
SoPsychoSexy 4 years ago
Well I just harped on a few of your other videos, but this time you have at least one thing dead right: "just pull out" would have dire consequences, so if there is an Iraq 'debate' and not an Iraq 'idea talks', it should be those who supported the war from the beginning vs those who believe 'we broke it, now we gotta fix it.'
Vet223 4 years ago
theycallmeJPC,
You have it backwards. I put the clips in my video to support my argument/analysis. Without my argument/analysis, it would be much more difficult to defend against a claim of copyright infringement, so your comment is very bad legal advice. If u don't want to hear my argument/analysis, don't watch my videos.
Thx 4 comment :-)
LiberalViewer 4 years ago
We can't stay, we can't pull out. We're fucked.
HabsRule92Remy92 4 years ago
what was the diplomatic solution to yugoslavia how is that sectarian ethnic divide not so disimilar to iraq its the exact same issue
The difference is we forced those people to ethnically seperate and divided up there countries. We are not doing that in iraq
KrGsMrNKusinagi0 4 years ago
KrGsMrNKusinagi0,
I said in my video that the Congress of Vienna was only PARTIALLY successful b/c of problems like the Balkans that continued to fester. But, the Congress of Vienna moved things forward and was PARTIALLY successful in addressing Europe's ethnic problems. I thought it was a good analogy for what the MidEast needs, updated for the 21st Century
with Wilsonian principles of democracy and self-determination
Thx 4 comment :-)
LiberalViewer 4 years ago
PS Check out the video description for more info on the Congress of Vienna and Wilsonian principles
LiberalViewer 4 years ago
its not a bad idea in fact africa probably needs it as well
markussky 4 years ago
Funny how that now that it looks like the US is going to pull out that the militia in different areas are getting their act together so they can survive the absence of troops which is improving their current control of the areas. Pretty damn funny.
Namons128 4 years ago
Dude you seriously need to stop backing up your "points", if they can even be called that, from the FUCKING COLBERT REPORT!! ur seriously fucking retarded and i am NOT A DEM OR A REB im what we are all supposed to be, what George Washington was, AN AMERICAN
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instantkarma14 4 years ago
I'm not for the war, but I don't think Arabs are more innocent than we are.
FlashVirus 4 years ago
at first I thought: yes
but after i thought about the people you guys killed: no
imnotcris 3 years ago
Who cares what the children on Iraq think? The Arabs in Europe are slaughtering the natives there everyday. Yet we don't hold resentment to the natives.
1) I'm a Ron Paul supporter
2) But I don't like these crocodile tears like "The children of Iraq will hate us". If someone here actually truly cares about the Arabs of Iraq, I would be surprised.
FlashVirus 4 years ago
ya allies did not kill more children than the japanese and germans the germans killed 20-30 million soviets
DanFlan92 4 years ago
So you support Hitler? You realize the allies killed more children in Germany and Japan than the axis has. So you support Hitler too?
FlashVirus 4 years ago
someone will have to come and "clean up" bush's mess, but we must not abandon those people after what we have done. then their hate will be totally justified.
Budskee420 4 years ago
bush screwed up. we all know that. and like he says in the video whether you think it was accidental or criminal we cant leave those people now. I wqas totally for the simple answer just bring the troops home almost all my teenage life. i have had to swallow my pride 1000 times to come to that conclusion.
Budskee420 4 years ago 2
LiberalViewer,
You have good intentions but you are extremely naive. Do you actually believe that we went there to spread peace and freedom? Our government (the International Bankers and pals) don't give 2 sh#ts about those people having peace and freedom (or us for that matter)! They went there for oil and military contracts. That's it. And the Dems went right along with the Neocons because they're on the take too. Man wake up.
FireFoxRocks 4 years ago
@fireFox point well made I agree totaly with your assesment. it is simply naive to think any other way. Also the confilict between suni and shia was perpetrated by Bush and company. "devide & conquer"
Aliof 4 years ago
"The children of IRAQ are going to hate us as long as they live."
Actually Saddam was making a holocaust of the Kurish children.
FlashVirus 4 years ago
"The children of IRAQ are going to hate us as long as they live."
Actually Saddam was making a holocaust of the Kurish children.
FlashVirus 4 years ago
OK just get out of Iraq, then what? another 9-11, y'all call for another march back to fight against with Terrorist, what a waste!
Commiessux 4 years ago
yeah but without war what should call of duty 5 then be about ha? So let the war continue, is my decision. These mohameds want to meet allah so badly well lets help them and make video games about it. That's a non gay solution.
Lettfer 4 years ago
What are you 14?
FireFoxRocks 4 years ago
And I have to agree with an earlier poster who mentioned that Wilsonian ideas of breaking up countries (empires, whatever) along ethnic lines is a mistake. Just look at what happened in Europe's backyard, the former Yugoslavia.
mrseats 4 years ago
if you think that Yugoslavia was broken apart on ethnic lines, then lol. it was broken apart on lines that corresponded to the federal divisions within the country. the individual communities within the political delineations were ethnically mixed, even if one group predominated within a given one. the carnage started within those ethnically mixed communities when the groups started killing or cleansing each other.
andrewridgway 4 years ago
I like the idea of getting the neighbors involved. But I hasten to add that Wilsonian principles have not led to much good in the world. Maybe if he hadn't fallen ill and had had more sway over the Treaty of Versailles. But all the bad in the Middle East is certainly because of the end of World War I. I truly believe that we, and especially the Iraqi people, are effed.
mrseats 4 years ago
March out.
mmongo55 4 years ago
Conservatives suck, the history proved it. bad economy, more poverty, no money in caisse etc etc..
REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID SHELFISH PEOPLE .
Christoffeltje 4 years ago
If America leaves Iraq now, in my opinion there would be a mass genocide. Example of what happened in Cambodia. When The US troops left the Communist rounded up everyone that followed the way of the "american" and had them all killed off. I see this happening in Iraq if the troops were to leave this war unfinished.
BleachedSin 4 years ago
The US could occupy Iraq for a 100 years and never leave, without it descending into destruction. Britain Europe and the US have been screwing over that region's inhabited for nearly a 100 years already. GWB misbegotten war is only the latest idioacy.
westkan 4 years ago
you have a point there, so us should solve this fundamental peoblem
imnotcris 3 years ago
The US invasion of Iraq has undoubtedly had the biggest destabilising effect on the region since Israeli statehood; not to say I'm questioning Israel's sovereignty, just that it had flustered one to many feathers. To leave now would create a political vacuum. A frantic land grab would inevitably ensue with every nasty and undesirable faction wanting a piece of that pie.
ocanica 4 years ago
Low available troop numbers won't stop Bush going to war on Iran. There will be no ground troops...just a long and massive aerial and missile bombardment...
GOLDBEAD 4 years ago
fuck woodrow wilson
zornlove 4 years ago
ZORNLOVE: Woodrow Wilson was a rascist. His promise of enthic independence was bull. He was only interested in braking up the Austrian-Hungarian empire according to ethnic devide. When Ho Chi Minh asked the U.S. to support Vietnamese independence from the French, he was ignored and same forty-five years later we paid the price for Wilsons hypocracy.
ThaDagda1080 4 years ago
Splitting up the middle east by ethnic and religious sects would't work because no country wants to loose the oil they have now. Turkey doesn't want a free Kurdistan because they would give up their eastern oil reserves.
ThaDagda1080 4 years ago
dividing iraq up is such complicated matter.. i dont think any one of the groups would actually be happy except the kurds
khafanov 4 years ago
A letter I got from a fan named capsource1:
As a fellow American I want to inform you that I view you more an enemy to me - my family and MY COUNTRY then al Quaeda ( I know a made up enemy) or bin Laden. I view you as an insurgent - and don't laugh - I'm not playing with words here. You see, the problem here is that if Bush is a dictator then I'm waiting for him to suspend the constitution. Isn't that what a dictator does?
MKB2814 4 years ago
But if he departs Washington in Jan 09 then will you apolgize to America? Because if he does leave without seizing a dictatorship then you are wrong and it's just another PLAY AND CHAPTER in the DESTROY BUSH CAMPAIGN. The real problem here is that after Bush is gone, and he is not suspending the Constitution, America still will have to content with the next wave of extremism and radical leftist like Hillary and the Kennedys and the Schumers and the moveon(dot)org.
MKB2814 4 years ago
Oh - if the Democrats win the white house they are going to take America down their own road of extremist. Hang on country - you;d better buy some extra underwear but your gonna be shitten when you see what Democrats have in store for America.
I want you to also know that I think you should be watch and treated for subverting this country. Be against the war. I understand. But your reckless and your playing with peoples lives. I bet there is a whole lot more about this country that you hate.
MKB2814 4 years ago
Some of his letter was edited to fit.
I did respond back, let me know if anyone's interested in it.
MKB2814 4 years ago
if you did not know, which i am guessing by your response is that you dont know, is that this administration has already rendered the constitutional right to habeas corpus worthless. Any person, citizen or not, can be imprisoned indefinitely without a court order or trial and without cause other than being under the suspicion of being an unlawful enemy combatant, provided by executive orders 13303-13315.
kayata123 4 years ago
The 21st century congress sounds like a great idea compared to the others out there.
LtotheP0859 4 years ago
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Act*On - Nov. 2nd - 2008
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PeaceProfit 4 years ago
why do you keep saying "a rock"?
rulerofbanished 4 years ago
You want peace, prepare for war.
jalandodds 4 years ago
The left thinks that they are sooo smart but they understand nothing. This is a global war, it is on and people who undermine it are aiding and abbeting an enemy that wants to destroy us.
Liberals don't even take their own side in a fight.
rachdingue 4 years ago
What computer programme does the voice for the narration for this video? It's like an upgrade version from what Stephen Hawkins uses. This one doesn't sound as robotic. The Japanese are great, unless Bill Gates did this, this time.
jpcstudios 4 years ago
I don't think US will ever leave Iraq, unless oil becames obsolete. The oil in Iraq is traded in dollar now, after the US invasion. Iran is trading in Euro... That's my few cents.
knutpruk 4 years ago
For a while there I got this looming feeling that Bush was planning to attack Iran, I still think he was, but he's too late now.
jab49 4 years ago
54.5 million fit for combat service
asdfusuck 4 years ago
Yeah. Great idea genius. Bring Wilson into it all. The man who fired all black people working in the White House, allowed the KKK to parade in Washington and invaded Russia during the revolution, effectively starting the Cold War. Wilson was an interventionist, militaristic, monster of a President. Almost every single one of his policies were disasters. And you want to bring his ideas into this? I say, no. Not just no. Hell no.
smokeymcpot88 4 years ago
the iraqis were made of gangsters and warlords. Saddam hussein kept them in check. the US should never have interfered. Iran would not be so bold today if saddam was still in iraq. Everything that is going wrong in the middle east is the fault of GWB. The US needs to review the expansionist nature of its democracy. Not all countries are ready for it. I believe that democracy should come naturally such as what had happened in Spain in the 20th century.
islamdunku 4 years ago
i am not one to be interested in the political and social sciences being a science geek most of my life. but i loved the thoughts and issues you bring up. the vienna congress way is a simple and probably the right solution forward but in no way is it practical. unfortunately, no country would want to give up its land or resources that easily. and we cannot forcibly redraw their maps and dictate new boundries for them.
islamdunku 4 years ago
yes on congress, but the ppl are scared if we wont withdraw now or demand that of the govnt then they will...well lets have an agreement that thats their oil and they could do what they want with it, or have an agreement btwn the ppl and the establishment and basically very cheap oil for us we want a 40/60 split of revenue
Talysin 4 years ago
the solution to peace is not really complicated. leave arabs to solve their own problems, and NEVER even think of invading again.
Alpharabius 4 years ago
See I think if you can get Bush to understand that then you should get a medal of some kind. Though I think you might be using too big of words.
bourneparker 4 years ago
of course the problem is much more complicated than that. i just put it as simple as posible. lol.
its not good for america if arabs depend of themselves. depending on america is extremely good for the US, but it could not be worse for arabs :(
Alpharabius 4 years ago
and we now have a gov that wants to keep them depending on us as long as they can, *shakes head*
bourneparker 4 years ago