The Serpent and the Eagle Film Project: Update

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

The "indians" are NOT indigenous to this continent nor is anyone else. The indians even sold slaves to the "White" man. Which you guys sound ignorant for calling us White which is not a ethnicity or race. Its only a color. So if you want your names to be called proper show the same respect toward us. Nobody ever own this continent, there was no deed or stone to prove otherwise. So if your an mexica supporter, just know its a racist movement and is no better than the KKK.

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

"Deed"? "Stone"?..to authenticate "ownership"? You are applying a Euro-centric concept and viewpoint, but this side of the world is not Europe!

Indigenous People is clearly understood! In general, it refers to a People of particular land region who have developed and originated a unique DNA, phenotypes, culture, language, religion, cuisine, civilization, etc., derived from their environment, climate, fauna & flora, over thousands of years!

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 WOW "indigenous" people is clearly understood? In what way? Refering to unique DNA? UMMM we are ALL of unique DNA, phenotypes, cultures, languages, religions, Foods and civilizations. What makes yours so special??? Derived from their environment? You make this into a huge non-sense propaganda. You make it sound like the indians were gods, when in reality they are human beings living on this same old mother earth. Nothing more nothing less.

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

Nobody is saying that the Indigenous "Native American Indians" are superior!

However, if you had the insight to their lives or could see their journey and experience it through their eyes, in a historical context, say, since 1492 to the present, only then could you understand the indignation felt by the Indigenous Peoples throughout the continent & Islands.

But this history is not taught in schools, but this will change!

You should support the Indigenous activists!

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 But thats how you are portraying your protests and trying to voilate our laws with justification in regards to illegal aliens/immigration. I do see their journey and insight to their lives just like I have see European journey and experiences in lives how they were persicuted, lived in rat whole, suffered from oppression and so on. You are not the only ones who have suffered. Except you dont suffer today we are talking about our ancestors.......

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 ....I dont support "indigenious activities b/c NOBODY is indigenious to this contient, there is no such meaning of proof that anyone came with this land. You people are indigenous to C. Africa and Siberia we are indigenous to Europe. These are proven FACTS. As far as History goes I dont believe they will allow mexica movement into our school system. Its not factual, its racist, its bias, and it doesn't describe or tell the whole lives how indians really lived. Even their murders!!

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

Who said anything about the Mexica Movement. This organization is a tiny part of a grand vision. I'm speaking about the Indigenous People of this lands and not the Mexica Movement. If you have beef with them, voice it them and not me. I'm Indigenous "Native American" and not a Mexica, etc.

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 Mexica is claiming your cause, why do you say your seperate from them? Do you know I am Native American but not of "indian" descendant. If you study World History and Ancient History in a credible College, it tells in depth of Native American History and explains and proves why they are not Indigenous.

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 I am apllying Euro-centric concept and viewpoint as you say i am. Then what concept should I be applying to when from the information of history clearly states where indians originated from and where Europeans orignated from. Sunds more like common sense. What or who gave the indians owners of this land. You said this side of the world is not Europe. Well then this side of the world is not mexica or indigenous or indian, or from C.Africa or Siberia. Now What?

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

Perhaps, you feel threatened by the very notion that the Indigenous "Native American Indians" are voicing their opinions. This should not be a surprise, in fact, they have been voicing their views since at least 1492.

However, their world view and political voice, for the most part, has been omitted, suppressed, and ignored in the main stream media! The communication medium via technology is finally leveling the playing field: this may be frightening to some, like you!

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 I don't feel threaten of anyone voicing their opinions. That doesn't mean we have to believe it nor does that make their opinions facts. However i am here to set the stupid people who believe the Indians voiced out opinions to facts b/c i know history being taught in our school system from K-12 is weak and people become ignorant when they dont know history. Then people like you and protestors get a lil insite to the bad part of history and twist it and not speak the truth.

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 Its not about voice opinion but when people are ignorant in history b/c "its not that important attatude" being taken, pretty much guys like you can say whatever you want and people will believe it without truely studing history. You guys only point out the negative aspect of history and blame the Europeans for everything, however the Indians taught and sold slaves to Euopreans, tried to push their religion to murder people to satisfy false gods. But of course you dont mention that

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

Wrong! Many European "white" people, I have met are genuinely good folks! But many have been indoctrinated a bias history by their own invading ancestors! Sad! You know, for hundreds of years Europeans invaded South Africa, then occupied it, built settlements, had children, then initiated a propaganda movement in the mid 1600s (year) claiming that South Africa is their country! Can you believe them?But now S. Africa's Indigenous Afro-black People have the power again. :)

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 ok. but why is it considered an invasion to people now days when there were no laws saying travelers and explorers are not allowed to move upon this earth, when you guys did when you came here, and just about any other race live on earth? Why are we the exception and considered invaders? Especially now days when non of my peoples' experience and these lands is all we know not Europe? Why should we suffer when we dont believe in that to move out of here? This is all what we know

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

.....as we know it today. While the "indians" or AKA Olmecs not indigenous peoples' traveled here about the same time. Nobody can prove who was here first but the Olmecs settled in Central mexico and they came from C. Africa and Siberia. These peoples' are NOT innocent when they had religious beliefs such as moon gods and sun gods AND would go to other weaker indian tribes and murder, rob, steal, and slave them to please a false god. Know true history and not to just to blame "White"people only.

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

Are you scared of the truth??? Are you scared of real history and how "indigenous" peoples' were savages and murders to their own tribes? The fact is nobody is indigenous to this continent. Even though the US doesn't teach in it's K-12 schools many recommendable colleges throughout the US and the world teaches and proves that the first person to step foot on this continent was a traveler or explorer. During the time 14k years ago in Marseille, France a few Europeans sailed to Virgina State.....

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

Prior to 1492 year era, the Chinese sailed to many parts of the world: Middle East, Africa, India, Islands in South Asia, Japan, etc . It is claimed, the Chinese reached the lands (continent) of the Indigenous "Native American Indians" (a.k.a "The Americas) before Europeans. The Chinese sailed to explore & trade, etc. Unlike Europeans "white" people who invaded, enslaved, stole, & occupied, colonized, etc, yet claimed to be exploring, discovering, helping, etc.

Wake up!

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 I am WIDE AWAKE!!! With everything that is out there and the stupidity of people. The Native American Indians are NOT indigenous to this continent. It doesn't make any sense to role into the lie. They orignated from Siberia and C. Africa. Thats there roots. The Chinese people are Caucasians "white" they are on the same Euorpean continent. You are wrong for refering anyone of a race white. White's not a race only a color. In the Euorpean countries only a few did bad things.

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

Come on, up to date with new DNA findings & clustering. Your sentiment is that of the 1800s.

Firstly, European "white" people are still occupying and squatting on Indigenous "Native American Indian's" lands and are still teaching the idea that this is now "their home land" and hence "they" have a right to be here which is nothing more than a centuries old propaganda of forced assimilation and channeling a reality that suits "their" interests!

What is your ethnic/race?

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 My race is not important for this conversation. Only education and from the comment you wrote your theory is just a myth. Lets go to the beginning. If you say Europeans are squatting on indigenous lands, tell me what makes you think the Indians ever owned these lands? When "they" the indians traveled from Siberia and C. Africa AND didn't come with this land like most people are falsely informed about. What makes them the owners of this land?

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

It is not about "ownership", again you are applying a foreign concept. The Indigenous People view these lands, "The Americas", as a inseparable tangible component of themselves. They know this is their land(s) because their mythology, religion, creative art designs found in their clothes, wood works, masonry, ceremonial practices, etc., is based on the fauna and flora found here!

And not of Siberia or Asia or Africa or Europe, that is a pseudo to claim!

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 So just b/c they used the land in their religion(which was bullshit to worship the sun or moons, bc God says only to worship him), arts in their clothes,wood works (assuming their utensils or weapons),and the others that gives them the right to claim this land and not let the rest of the world know, that meaning. I dont buy it. However,if that satisfy you then why didnt the Europeans have the right to claim this land of their endevors and the vision this land can give them new life

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 Since Europeans came over here and according to you they are called squatters AND Olmecs or the indians that came from C.Africa and Siberia came here aren't they squatters to you in your theory??? Back when the Indians migrated here thousands of years ago along with Some Europeans, what makes you think anyone of them ever claimed this land as theres???

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

Using that same logic then, aren't the Europeans in Europe also squatters of Europe since they came from Africa?

Listen, we all came from a common origin but the core idea and grievances of many Indigenous Peoples is about the injustices endured, and there is WAY to many to mention.

The hopes of acquiring FREEDOM, SOVEREIGNTY, based on Indigenous core values and not based on whether it serves the interests of Europeans or other foreigners etc., is a noble cause.

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 Its not a noble cause unless you provide the truth about the WHOLE Indian lifestyle. The core ideas and grievances or injustices, again, does NOT grant indigenous to any peoples' to this land. Otherwise everyone would be consider Indigenous to this land. We all have experience injustices. The hopes of acquiring Freedom, Soverneighty on these lands is not suppose to be on Indian core values thats why they were beaten in battles and war. Nobody wanted them, ex: religion, way of life

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 Just b/c you suffered injustices doesn't entitle to your way of life here on my country, doesn't entitle your people to their religon on my country, doesn't entitle your people to my home in my country, just bc this happen hundreds of years ago, which non of us today ever experienced and have to suffer for our ancestors' mistakes or mishaps. Should you suffer b/c of the religious mistakes and murders ur indian ancestors caused or the sold of slaves they encountered???

[avx3000]

read on wikipedia this film is set to come out 2011.

[kadafi5150]

More power to the Mexica Movement!

[chukurulugai]

Man, I was actually looking forward to this movie. Ofcourse they were going to make the Spaniards look as saints, that's what white people do, but the truth of the matter is that we all do that. Mexicans think they are better than Central Americans and others. The Spaniards were evil bastards, but so were the Aztecs. They were truly barbarians, blood thirsty mass muderers, and it took an equally blood thirsty people(spanish) to bring those demon worshipers down.

[Dangerdoom68]

@chukurulugai

European "white" Spaniards are invaders not explorers! In their books, they documented how they discovered (but really "invaded"), took gold ( bur really "stole" it), courted "Native" women ( but really "raped" them), and acquired 1000s of acres of land (in reality squatted and occupied it via violence) and how they saved the Indigenous Peoples (in reality they captured prisoners or accepted them as slaves and then forced Christianity, a foreign culture, via Castillanizacion!)

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 No you are wrong, many Europeans were explorers, travelers and entrepreneurs. AND they did discovered many lands, medicines, modern designs and much more. How can they steal gold when they dug it from the ground thats been their for millions of years and made it into a value. The indians didnt find it and the land wasn't theirs, at least they never made it known its theirs.Yea the indians acquired 1000's of acres of land as well by taken from other tribes murdering them, raping etc

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

OK, now I see you are a troll! It is one thing to be ignorant, however, it is another thing to be stubborn and mulish, bent on a narrow minded world view.

It is common knowledge that the Indigenous "Native American Indians" in many regions were artisans in gold, architects, mathematicians, traders, explorers (how else do you think they knew so many botanical species & remedies, fauna and flora, etc). They practiced ideals, albeit with some flaws, etc.

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 lol hahaha. a troll. Nice try. I have studied Native American History, from the time they traveled from Siberia and C. Africa to here and settled in C. mexico, then spread out to the south of them and then to the North. Just /c they were artisans in gold does mean they were the first ones to find gold and put a valvue to it like the Europeans did.Europeans were mathematicians, traders, travelers, explorers, etc. So what! It does NOT make anyone indigenous to this continent.

[Dangerdoom68]

@MexicaIsBrownRacism3

Well, you need to argue your ideas with current scientists, geneticists, anthropologists, etc., who have studied this subject for years from the accumulated science, and NOT ME because most of them refer to the "Natives" as Indigenous! Why? Because the "Native American Indian" People have a precedent of being established here for thousands of years, this influenced their genetics, religion, language, etc., so vastly that it is not directly traceable to the "Old World"!

[MexicaIsBrownRacism3]

@Dangerdoom68 Your right, b/c whoever the scientist, geneticists, and anthropologists needs to here from the ones I have studied from. But even so, the word indigenous has been loosly used by European haters. If you look up the word itself, you can see what I am talking about and the same with Native. Anyone born here is a Native.

[anahuacmexica]

Another victory for the Mexica Movement.

[ceomeye]

someone has to do it.. If Mexico Movement had not stepped in, we would have seen the movie in theatres and this has a pscyhological effect on indigenous people to disgrace their history and love the european history. It would make it seem that it was better that the europeans came and did a good job! Look At Iraq and the middle east, they are certainly doing a good job with a puppet in the white house who dictates nothing, it is the white elite who dictate, obama just obeys..

[HonestyIsKey]

Brown Supremacists? For what? Telling the truth which has been historically depressed to paint some pretty picture. Do you fear the truth that much that you have to write it off as a testament to your close-minded beliefs? Great job Mexica Movement! Great to see positivity come out of this.

[revansatoda]

I've not seen promos for this movie so I can't judge it. But it's true so much "entertainment" depicts the conquering of the new world as the great "civilized" Europeans (whites) bringing their advancements to illiterate savage heathens. But I think you're right, censorship is dumb. What we need is more movies showing what really happened. I've written a script dealing with exploitation but I can't see it even being produced, it's just too depressing.

[ceomeye]

Just like George bush coming to liberate the people of Iraq from the clutches of oppression, NOW LOOK WHAT THERE IS? Roman empire oppression, subjugation, murder, rape, torture, theft, thieves, war, genocide. Now look what have in in the U.S - Racism, oppression, gangs, drugs, theft of the elite, george bush killing more people with his corporations...

[ceomeye]

blessings..

[CuauhtIatohuac]

Awesome! Another victory against white supemacy for Mexica Movement!