ISO 639-3 lists dialects of Persian, the 3 main literary dialects listed farsi/tajik/dari(iran,,south russia) and seven regional dialects: Hazaragi, Aimaq, Bukharic, Dzhidi, Dehwari, Darwazi, Pahlavani.
Luri (or Lori), spoken mainly in the southwestern Iran and Fars Province and some parts of Khuzestan.
Tat,: spoken in parts of Azerbaijan, Russia, etc. It includes Judeo-Tat & Christian-Tat.
Lari (in southern Iran) ,mazni ,gilakalysh,talysh(north iran).
i know u panturk want to take armanian,iranian(talysh)lands under fake nation of azari turk!u turk r belong to gobi desert mongolia(turkestan)what do u do in iranian and anatolia!?
@leibinitzk i know u panturk want to take armanian,iranian(talysh)lands under fake nation of azari turk!u turk r belong to gobi desert mongolia(turkestan)what do u do in iranian and anatolia!?
there is only one turk land and its in mongolia,what r u doing on iranian(talysh,kurdish)or armanian lands!???
1)go check the persian of iran ,there is map there :
tajiks,tata,mazani,lur,lari,bakthiyai,farsi,khorasani,all are persian peaple and same dilect some diffrent of accents.
talysh is simailar to tehrani persian(official farsi of iran) as auastrian to german bc its same language.its liek u say arabic of iraq is another languge from arabic of s arabia.
@leibinitzk u get a life turkish mongol.talysh have been laways native of azarbaijan,tlysh and they are pure speaker and race of iranian language and theire dilect is 90% similar o official farsi of iran which is khorasani or dari persian.
turk went to azarbaijan 800 years back from mongolia while talysh recorded from 3000 years back as remaing of ancient persian or pahlawi parsi/persian.
hey bera, Azerbaijani are Irani, they've been mixed with Turks and Uzbeks, but originally they are Irani, Azerbaijan means Land of Fire in the Airiyan language.
@leibinitzk yes talysh are old habitant of talysh and azarbaijan and desnt of old persian tribes.but u turk came from mongoli in 12 ad and occupy our lands.u should go back to gobi desert of mongolia(turkistan)
Talysh language belongs to Iranian languages. But it is not mutually intelligible with persian. So it is not an accent of persian, but essentially a different language. But music sounds quite similar iranian.
@alborzka Both words are used interchangeably. Persian = Iranian, it does not mean "Fars." We called it "Persia" and Persian rugs, not Iran and Iranian rugs.
They are trying to limit and minimize and ultimately undermine and destroy the word "Persian" and all of its meaning. "Iran" is the same as "Persia." "Iranian" is the same as "Persian." Has been for centuries.
@alborzka this video title is in English, so I am referring to English. In English it is Persian Talysh. If speaking to any Iranian, it would be in the Persian language, and we would say "Talysheh Irani" Persian means Irani.
@alborzka maznai,gilak,talysh :the persian dilects of caspian sea cost of iran are more pure persian than modern persian dari(tehrani)wich have arabic influense.caspian dilects are called also pahlavipersian related to preislami iran wich remain intact fromturkomongols and arab invasion due to alborz mountains,deep forst,and caspian sea.even geneticly they are more pure iranian/ryan/indoeuropian than othe peaple in iran.theire feature,long nose,bony face,green/blue eyes,resembling ancient irani
@alborzka luri is that much diffrent from standard farsi(tehrani),wich british accen from american english.even in england accents are diffrent,but the vocablury and grammer and structure is the same.like turkic dilects:turkman,uzbak,turkish istanbuli,......they are same but diffrent dilects.if luri or mazani are not persian its like turkmen is not turkic rither!!!!
while talysh,mazani,gilak are more pure persian related to mipersian before islam than modern darpersian wich have arabic elments
@alborzka persian have many dilects:1)modrn persian wich is called:farsi in iran,tajik/dari in tajikestan and afghanistanwich itself has many accents:khorasani,tehrani,yazdi,isfahani,shirazi,soutic,kermani,......2)pahlavi/phlavani persian:mazndarani,talysh,gilak3)luri,bkhtiyari:wich has it own accents.
if you compaire luri with mashhadi accents you see luri is closer to standard persian/tehrani than mashhadi persian accents.im half mashhadipars,and half malayeri lur.go read abit.
@alborzka tukistan in mongolia altai mountain clled land of turks later turks came to many places including turkey,turkmanistan,before persian lived in turkmanistan,and roman in turkay but later urk massicared them .but nnow turk live there ,we cant say they r not turk.nly the one in mongolia are
same as persian originated from fars province expanded theire empire and fars was theire capital.
persian by time classified to 3 main grouos:1)OLD PERSIAN:dinstict/language of AVESTA (zorastrian book)3)midlepersian(parsipahlavi,pahlavani):today speak only by north persians:mazani,talysh,gilak,tats4)modern persian wich also called :farsi(arabic form of parsi)in iran,tajik(intajikestan),parsi dari or darbari in afghnistan.wich originated after arab invasion of iran in khorasan,tajikestan,afghanistan by work of khorsani persian poets like:ferdosi toosi,roodaki,roomi,..
@alborzka its a very wrong concepts that some peaple think tehrani farsi is the only persian!!!you need to read abit and travel to diffrent parts of iran.
@alborzka they are only diifrent accents of persian,but same language.they are many accents in persian:khorasani,mazani,iasfahani,shirazi,gilani(rashi),afghani,......
the standard persian accent in iran is tehrani persian accent bc tehran became capital.
same turkic language:istanbuli turkish,turkmen,uzbaki are same languages but diffrent accents.
so is turkmani is a diffrent language from turkish??
@alborzka persian by time classified to 3 main grouos:1)OLD PERSIAN:dinstict/language of AVESTA (zorastrian book)3)midlepersian(parsipahlavi,pahlavani):today speak only by north persians:mazani,talysh,gilak,tats4)modern persian wich also called :farsi(arabic form of parsi)in iran,tajik(intajikestan),parsi dari or darbari in afghnistan.wich originated after arab invasion of iran in khorasan,tajikestan,afghanistan by work of khorsani persian poets like:ferdosi toosi,roodaki,roomi,..
@alborzka The Tat language or Tati is a Southwestern Iranian language spoken by the Tats in Azerbaijan and Russia. According to the Ethnologue, it's spoken by 18,000 people in Azerbaijan, 8000 in Iran, and 2300 in Russia.[1] Its written form is related to Middle Persian Pahlavi. There is also a Jewish language called Judeo-Tat that is derived from the Tat language.FROM ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANICA,YOU CAN CHECK.tati,talysh,mazani,gilak are remaining of midlepersian wich is called PARSIPAHLAVI.
@NawrozNawrozi yes talysh is belong to very pure persian tribes ,they speak northic persian or pahlavipersian ,pahlavi persian has subdilects:talysh,mazandarani,gilak.
the farsi is another persian dilect,wich calles also parsi dai,tjik.
@NawrozNawrozi Just like a Persian Kurd who is an Iranian/Persian whose regional identity is also Kurdish in addition to Persian nationality and civilization. Everyone in Greater Iran has an Perso-Iranian cultural heritage along with a local, "mahali" identity,
@DimitarDobrinov mahali means accent persian/parsi have many guyesh from village to city and even in same city and provinces due to large size of iran.
@Kadusii Talysh freedom now. iran must fuck Alievbaiajan in the ass and liberate Talysh like Qarabagh. Talysh hate u people. they think u are resualt of donkey and wolk bastard childs. they seperated in 1993. then u went in and killed them and annex it. LOng Life to Iranics, Down with Donkeys.
@yarffmde if u go on any video of iran u s panakurdish lies.they even sya lor are bakhtiyari r kurd although according to ur language tree lori is south west as persian and kurdish is north western ,and all ethniologist,historian menationed lor as remaing of oldest persian nomads,in south and west iran zagros,who s the lier mr panakurd,u guys are full of shit.thats whay iran and turky are working togather to finish u.
@yarffmde u mentioned im the best reason u r a panakurd sepratist!!1)whay ur argiuing here where this video has no relation to kurds?its about talysh persian song.2)who is the one start this argument??common man even a panakurdish like u can be abit more logical.
@yarffmde and now u talk in bahafe of hafez and sadi shirazi?i dont like argiuing but i dont take lies ,im from mashhad and some of my family are mazandarani and we know what we are now u panakurd want to tell us who we are?while the kurd are the only in iran which dont have exact known roots,the fact is panakurds and kurdish groups are enemies of iranian sovernty but obviously very weak but theyr waiting if may usa attack iran wich will never do to take advantage like they did in iraq.
@yarffmde im not soporting sepratism in iran,our argue started with u guys coming on persian video like this and falsificating ,although the caspian talysh,mazan,gilak known as persian dilects by themselves,and the whole worl,and all linguistic and esthetistic u try to make lies and relate them tu ur peaple to look good,and say ur many.if u go to mazandaran and call them kurd they slap u in the face ,and mthey consider not only persian but purest persian like sha himself.
@yarffmde as panakurd try herder persian are defiting thme in every field,persian knew the panakurd as theire back yard enemy for many years,its nothing new,but if u think u win,i tell u ur wasting anly my time and urs,
@yarffmde 1)be sepratist who ur peaple are betrating iran from old time to now,u knew a kurd cut the head of last persian sasanid king (yazdgerd the 3rd)and gave it to his arab master omar?2)panakurds should be killed panakurd=enemy of iran,panapersian=panairanian.its obvious,iran knows in the whole world as persia,persian carpet,persian cat,persian garden,persian artitecture.persian empire,kurd only known after sadam start killing them as some primitive villagers ,
@yarffmde 1)azerbijan were 100 % parsi speaker before turks invasion,all the text from poets of gangavi and others prove that azeri called exacltly parsi and farsi called dari or tajik then2)i knew u r panakurd but u tryed to arranged some lies to seprate persian tribes,like british policy seprate and rule,but u forgot that u kurds are to small,weak,ignorant to chalenge persians with 3000 years continius civilization.
only racists deserve death. and you are one, according your own comment.
i am very happy that there are some clever persians who are not like you, RIP Dariush Furuhar did never agree with your ignorant racism. he did deserve death aswell? what now? who doesnt agree with you , must die , or what? i think, you die better :-)
mr. linguist, when persia and media and iran all are identical, lets call this country media, and not persia, hahahahahah, there is no iran, no presia, that is media, becoz medians were befor persians, ) what do you mean? you see that is not difficult to play with words. but you dont seem to be willing to learn anything, typical racist ;-)
@AryanaUnited i wish so much, the majority of iran would think like R.I.P Froruhar, but the reality is another. the majority want shah or sheykh. represent medians and persians? it sound fair, but i am not living in 500 BC. 4/5 of kurds are not in iran, i want be united with them,. that is all what i want, not more and not less
@yarffmde my friend, not even 10 percent of the people of Iran want the Sheykh and Shah combined together. most want a democratic system, thats what they are giving blood for. and yes you have every right in the world to be united with other kords, i have no right to decide for the kords. but my comment was mostly inregards to your comment on saying sspersian represents some 50-60 million persians.
@AryanaUnited i have good persian friends, who understand me and my view. i never think, that sspersian were the representant of all persians, i never did say that, he said he is a racist ( his own words ) and I gave him the answer how a racist must get one :-)
@AryanaUnited you see he changed his view about kurds several times in this discussion, at the first he said, kurds are persian, later he said kurds are iranian, later he said kurds are mixed race, and later he said kurds are semidic, hahahahaha he is really funny, indeed me personaly i dont care about race.
@AryanaUnited indeed i ignored him as he started to be boring :-)
but i must say, persians who support free kurdistan, thay are not a majority, you belong to a very small group, thay see oly separatism, i see unitism :-)
@yarffmde i see your way as well. I have studied about the kords. and I know that you have had rough history. I also respect you guys alot despite all the repression you have kept your culture and language. shows your braveness. As i said before ideally kords should have the right to choose their path, and no one has the right to force it ways on others. any other way it would be hypocritical. unfortunately thats how most people and countries are.
@yarffmde i see what your saying and I agree with you to some extent. for me is more about culture, history and obviuosly security and common interests. I think Kords and other Iranian common culture and share same threats (pan-Arabism, and Pan-Turkism). also in a democratic situatiion which both their rights are respected and promoted both can benefit equally, and enhence our common culture, maybe a eu or united states type system. I my self as persian do like the fact that the
@AryanaUnited trys force it way on everyone else. see if we stick together on equal terms, we have the potential to become a powerful and rich country or union ourselves. thats just my opinion.
@AryanaUnited the difference between pan arabism, pan turkism to pan iranism is very big, a turk from turkey recognize all other turks as TURKISH, the arab do the same with all arabs, but persians want have a privilege a special place and dominating others, and that will never works, ( only when you kill all kurds with an atom bombe , so maybe in this way it will be possible in a nuclear land )
@yarffmde yes, this must change if such thing ever occurs. this persian centeriism, i dont like either. it should be like a contract between two people. something like that. btw are iranian kord?
@yarffmde pan-torksist if ever materializes will have a civil, they have different culture and languages, even an azari cant understan an Istanboli. Arabs atleast have same language.
@AryanaUnited yes, turks from turkmenistan ,azerbaycan or turkey dont understand eachother, but no one exclude others and take privilegs for himself. unfotunately gray wolves have more solidarity than us, shame , shame , shame. but the answer to the question WHY, you find in the history of last 500 years.
@yarffmde yes but torks have never been one in history, and, now in my opinion thy live in lala land. plus pan-torkism is very nazi like and racist, and agian if it ever materializes it will have the same fate of nazi germany. but i support forouhars pan-iranism, something that is humane not based on bunch of people who think like they are decendents of a wolf in central asia.(lol). again if people of Iran or persian centrists cant accept this then, that would be the problem.
@AryanaUnited the idea of PAN has indeed relation with racism, more or less. but that is an other matter. what i was tring to tell , is, in this compare you see a real PAN among turks but not among iranians, that is not pan iranism, that is just only pan farsism. in their program you can read( iran is where persian is spoken ) later ( 40 years later ) thay took this shamful capital away. but in mind thay kept it
@yarffmde i must say, you have a negative opinion of persian being able to change. Iranian socity has changed alot, 30 years ago they brought this regime, now they are giving blood to get rid of it. people and situations change. i think more and more persian are begining to see Iran as a multi-linguistic entity. this is atleast based on my exprience.
@AryanaUnited indeed we kurds said the same befor 30 years, and the people who made the green mode were killing us, and thay say the same as we said befor 30 years,
yes, i have lot of negative experience, mixed with relegious fanatics of persians ( of cours not all ) and when i study the history,,hhmm,,the changing of a regime , changed nothing for us, if safawid, ghajars, pahlawis, mullah, all did the same with us. our question is not the kind of government in iran, our problem is unity
@AryanaUnited our tragic history begins with safawid who killed 10000 kurds in dimdim battle. since this date we have NO normal life, NO peace, no human right, nothing. not in iran, not in iraq, not in turky, and worst is in syria. and iran is helping turkey , and syria, shah did the same, reza shah did the same with ataturk. and nobody protested against that ( RIP foruhar was a great exception )
@yarffmde isnt turkey and iraq the worst. turks and iraqi displaced people, burned villages down, torks even denied the kordsih existence. you cant say iran is as bad as iraq and turkey.
@AryanaUnited you compare iran with turkey, iran and syria? this compare is very sad, iran were our homeland, but iraq, or turkey have nothing to do with us, thay are fake counties. i dont need to give any comments about them. but indeed i must say,today iraqi kurds have a good and free life, the single region in all middle east without political prison, without repression, without ethnic repression, without relegious fanatism, that makes me very proud, i hope iran and turkey cannt distroy that
@AryanaUnited indeed in have a clear relation to arabs or turks, i dont expect frienship, of cours not, and not understanding, we are enemies BASTA. but about persians, i relay dont understand this nation. thay dont know their rela friends, and cooperate with ataturk, and arabs against us, i never understand that, and in the same time thay ask for our friendship. i hope god will give a the ablity ti understand that in future. maybe i am to naiv for that
ataturt destriyed the kurdish republic of ararat , he managed that only with help of reza shah,becoz turkey was an young republic with weak armee, ataturks armee was allowed to use iranian territory around ararat and attack kurds, iran gave turkey weapon,and soldiers :-) later mohammad reza shah made bussines with saddam hussein in algerien about kurds, this traitor sold kurdish movement to arabs,the result was:karkuk got arabized, and 200 000 kurds disapeared in south desert of iraq
yes,now you know that,you never ask,why reza shah and ataturk were so close friends?you see the statue of reza shah in istanbul,just now.in taksim sq.
th arabization of karkuk was not a short time process,it began in 70s,later in 80s during the war it got speed& more volume, saddam imported arabs from gulf region to karkuk,but all that was the result of algerian contract.between iran and saddam. later we have seen what is the result when you make business with arabs and sold kurds
@AryanaUnited safawid were not persian, but thay GOT persian, and pahlawi? thay were nopt persian? and persians did protests against that? of all persian intellectuals and policians were silence ?? why???
no , no, the story of DimDIm has nothing to do with shia and sunni, the mukriani kurds were sunni, the Hewramani kurds were sunni,. we have a lot of shia kurds, in iran, iraq and turky, that is not tha qiestion
@AryanaUnited indeed my problem is more with agreement of persian people with this method, and less with government , if arabs, turks, or ...
as i said, the kind of government changes nothing for us. that will be the same as it is since 500 years. the same and the same, and soon we will disapear in iran, maybe, south part get persianized and northern part will be azeri. and when you have lost your kurdish friend, iran will get turkified step by step,
@yarffmde i agree most of your points. and i do hope this changes, because iran is becoming torkified bit by bit. tehran is 25-40 percent tork now. thats why i said we need to stick together, rather then be divided amongst ourselves. as i said, kurds are the best friends persians can have. it seems that we see most things in a same fashion
@AryanaUnited last year, 17 villages of Mahabd are gived to turkish city miandoab.
that was not bit by bit, that was a big step. their aim now in takhte soleyman, that must get turkish, later thay claim zarathustra were azeri turk, hahahahahaha, but when kurds disapeared and you are alone, you will think about my tragic irony. yes, pahlawi was the only persian dynasty in 1000 years, but thay were the worst to us.
@yarffmde i dont understand this, why would persians strengthen pan-torks. maybe its the torkish elements in the country doing this. as they have a lot of power, khamenei is tork, rahim safavi ( rev guard commander) and many other elite in the IR.
@AryanaUnited no no, dont be personaly, that is not a patter or turkish persons, khamenei doesnt care about turkish cultur or grey wolves, he is an idiot mullah, not more and not les, i even respect azeri cultur as i respect my neigbour, but he is even my neighbour and not the GOD. ask reza shah why he did that, kurds feel, becoz persians think at their our interessts. that is geopolitical play, iran needs ankara and baghdad, please study the saad abaad contract between iran, turkey and iraq.
@AryanaUnited in geopolitical aspect , tehran, baghdad, damasc and ankara need eachother, that is not a matter of ariyan or not ariyan, the is geopolitical question, and kurds have to pay. that s it.
@AryanaUnited yes, persians choos the wrong way. and thay will pay for that , sooner or later, that is a natural rule. not my decision. we are 40 000 000 people without a state and country, we want to get our right, who helps us , is our freind, other people should keep away. and who helps our enemies , he is even our enemiy, that is so simple.
@AryanaUnited even in prison there is no equality, RIP ferzad kamangar said, you can see the different situation between kurds and others even in prison.
about which democracy are you speaking? i am speaking about mentality and moralic position, RIP furuhar showed to us, that you can SAY and protest even under dictatorship. he said the true befor and after so called islamic revolution, but ONLY one person?? that is indeed very disapointing.
@yarffmde i dont agree with you on that there is unequality in prison. and trust me by far more persians have been killed in the passed 30 years. the murders of in early 1980's, 1987 mass killing of political prisoners, 1997 chain killing and the recent crackdowns. did you miss what happened in kahrizak, people being raped and killed for what? prostesting peacefully.
on the second point i agree, peoples mentaliity needs to change.
@AryanaUnited and in my opinion it is, as i told you before, i like to see a iran where Iranianess difined based on our common history, and culture, rather then persian language. I think all iranian languages should have equal standing in Iran ( kordi, farsi,gilaki, luri, baloochi etc..), and i also believe we can do this, an Iran for all irans. atleast thats what I am going to fight for when i finish my degree.
@AryanaUnited What makes me angry is that we fight amongst ourselves, letting others take advantage of us. exploit our resources, weaken us and set us against one another. Do you think Israelis' or americans care about kords? again our mentalities should change and we should realize that not only our culture and history similar but also our national or ethnic interests. do u think if persians and kords stick together even as two different countries any one could push them around.
@AryanaUnited look at eu they killed 50 million of each other now they are becoming one country based on cultural and historical and economic ties. we persians and u kords have much similarities then lets say germans and french. I can promise you if we unite we can even liberate diyarbakr from the torks. iran is a rich country and relatively well developed better then torkey who is dependent on the west. in normal situation they can not compete with us. and I am sure other Darioush Foroohars
@AryanaUnited nice and human opinion, but in my impression it is impossible.
i wished , it were possible, but please study the last 500 years, tehran will NEVER NEVER NEVER help us to make Diyarbekir free.(orignal name is Amêd, the city of medes, arabs changed the name to diyarbekir), tehran-baghdad-ankara will stay in alliance and that is not a question of ethnic origin nor culture.and i am not willing to pay for this alliance.
@yarffmde but one thing you need to understand is that so far we have had dictatorships in the country, and they are usually after their own interests rather then the peoples. do u think IR is interested in the peoples interests? or the shah, the american puppet. in a democratic Iran the interests of the people are suppose to be what matters. and it is in Irans interest to be close with the Kords. Same goes with the Kords in my opinion. .
btw i didnt know the name of diyarbakr was Amed. i like.
@AryanaUnited I think, that is not a question of IR, other kind of government wouldnt change anything for kurds, becoz the geopolitiocal interessts with ankara and baghdad will have priority. when yoyu have 40 000 000 people, without independence and without a state, you cannt get peace, never,
@yarffmde you should nt be so negative, the geopolitics of the situation changes. first of all baghdad is on the verge of collapse, if the Americans leave that country there will civil war there, and after it i doubt that there will be a Iraqi state, in my opinion. Also about Turkey u never know, that country is fragile state, it has been able to survive due to the aid and support its got from the west. If it Islamizes or if the west does not see its interest their it could abandon itt.
@yarffmde I think in the next year or less, we will see what direction Iran will go. with all the pressure on the regime i doubt it lasts much longer.
@AryanaUnited I wish all iranians get freedom and peace, but about this regime i am not realy very optimistic, thay will survive longer, becoz of relegios reason.
@yarffmde people in iran are not that religious. its all a show. plus i doubt that many in iran view this regime as truly religious. mark my word this regime will be gone much sooner.
@AryanaUnited study the saad abaad contrct and you will see who is friend of kurds, NO BODY. we say: our only friend is the mountain. the montains protected us agains mongols, agains greeks, agains arabs, and against tukrs. nobody else.
@yarffmde your arguments suggests that the torks are destroying the iranian culture with. thus both persian and kordish are going to lose if this continues.
@AryanaUnited, turks destroy iran? no thay dont destroy, thay are not stupid, thay take it just for themselves, why distroying? and we see NO help from persian side, we have to fight in 3 fronts, you see the news todays about turkey ( Van, DiyarBekir...) please see the news. we fight alone , and when we rich victory, we will not share that with you. becoz we never forget , that persians helped saddam and ataturks, ok, thay regreted that later, but too late is too late.
@yarffmde are u talking about the bombings in turkey? plus how could you expect help from persian who themselves are oppressed in iran. if they could they would help themselves. plus you cant blame the treason dictators on the persian people, that is just not right. iran has never been even half democracy. if a democratic iran did that i would give you the benefit of the doubt, but not dictators. that not right.
@AryanaUnited i never said ,persians should help us in fighting, but in mind and moralic, more understanding us. persians line sspersian here despointe us more and more about all historical and cultural common between kurds and persians. thay accuse us to being separatist, but thay have no problem when 40 milions kurds are separated in 4 countries. who is separatist now? i wanna unity of these 40 milions people.and some persians want them to be separated. i am unitist :-)
@AryanaUnited safawid and afshar diported kurds of west side or urmia lake to khorasan and gave their land to onw relatives ( afshar turks ), befor this date there were NO turkish speaker in west side of Urmia lake, and NO this process is going now, the region of miandoab , tekab and sayin dezh are getting turkified. hamadan is allready lost, the next plan is kermanshah, and in some generation you see NO kurds in iran. please telle me why should i be pan iranist? what does give me?
@yarffmde my annswer is to prevent torkification of kurdish lands. plus y would persian want to torkify kordish lands, to create a threat of their own extinction?
@yarffmde and caspian called tabaretan deilaman,and some times pahlavi dej part of north persia.hole iran fcalled persia by 1940 something until reza shah choosed iran to please hitler due to iran=arian conjugation.madian and persian and parthian were the same later called by this names medi meand middle,pars means nobel,fars means night (showaliy)in arabic,.its all the same.
@sspersian this country is called êran by sasanids, and not by reza shah for first time, median and persian were close language, but not identical. median belongs to NW and persian to SW subgrup of proto iranic language.
median and persian were not the same language. but you can repead yourself when it makes you happy :-)
@yarffmde if median was diffrent from persian whay there is no even one tesxt remain called madian ???bc persian and median were same langugae but persian was the one became developed due to letters of arameic and language of kings dari=darbari means diledt of kings and pahlavi was for village.even today is almost like that.
i have seen you are happy about hanging iranic people, that is your real face. and now you say: lets be polite?, there is NO base for discusse becoz you are a racist ( accoring your message ) and becoz of your unhuman view about other cultures.
i have respect for every culture, go and ask yourself about that. bye
@sspersian panm kurds deserve death? an why not pan farsis? for your info, the hangnged people were not pan kurds. but i am one ;-) com and kill me, hehehehe, i am sure, hafez and saadi would feel shame for your idioty and racistic view, who say, persia = iran, he has no respect for non persian iranic people.
@yarffmde no iran is good for now ,tajikestan is a seprate state now,as well as turky and iraq,kurdistan is dream land for few froustrated peaple there ,and any time they try to couse problem iranian answerd them badly and its been from time sasanid to safavid,razasha,shah,and now.
to hamun aksi ke tuye profilet gozashti dozdiye. dige chi migi? asle in aks tuye ketabe ( dress of ancient people ) ast, ziresh ham neweshte, median king. hala shoma manipulate mikoni, un bahse digari ast, chon gofte budi racist hasti, racist ha ham shize sheer ziyad migan ;-)
@yarffmde tell me one example of persian wich is not persian origin for it this is from hafez shirazi from qoran u gypsy now u desrespect hafez wich is one of the most fam in the world even the german most fame gute followed hafesz idae.u make fun of his poet with ur haha?go u turban head refugee.
@sspersian gypsy ham jad u abadet tashrif darand, i love hafez, that is not disrespect , that is argument. yopu are really boring me, when you are not disrespecting hafez, why are you a racist? hafez never agrees with racism, go and learn from him, when you claim culture, ( that you not have )
@yarffmde ok lets be polits u started acting like monky saiyng hahaha instead of answering my respons to ur lies.u saied persian is very much arabic ,and i told u tell me one example.u mentioned dokhaniyat wich i told u the persian,then u bring a part of hafez wich was in arabic to inforce ur lies??who is liing here???
@sspersian hahahaha is not an insult, go and learn ADAB, befor you offen your mouth. insulting other people is not difficult in internet. that is NOTHING, and who has culture he knows that.
Azari is believed to be a part of the dialect continuum of Northwest Iranian languages. As such, its ancestor would be close to the earliest attested Northwest Iranian languages, Median. source: "Azari, the Old Iranian Language of Azerbaijan", Encyclopædia Iranica, op. cit., Vol. III/2, 1987 by E. Yarshater
@yarffmde azeri was 100 5parsi before turk invasion,modern farsi called dari then and azeri called parsi any one who dont belive can check all ganjavi,or other old azeri poems are 1005 pure persian not even one kurdish or medes or other.
@yarffmde so mr panakurd with ur only source dr gibert unknown !!1.how u calaim u know about language and persian when u dont know this ,estemal dokhaniyat mamnu=az keshidan sigar khordari konid ,??how u can be even from iran ??how u say persian is 50% arabic when they r persian words for all .???
@sspersian i said persian is 50% arabic? you lier, when di i said 50% ???
az keshidane sigar khoddari konid, maanish in nist ke estemale dokhaniat mamnua tuye farsi maamul nabaashe, chi be chi rabt dare. naghshe ferestadam, tuye internet ham por az tabelle u naghshe ast, berid khodetun bebinid, man dige baraaye shoma waght nadaaram,shoma ke be joz fahhashi chizi balad nisti.
@yarffmde lie1) if u tell me one word in persian which has only arabic origin and there is no persian word for it i accept ur lies2)shahname of ferdosi is the most complit iranian language poet book with not even few arabic word3)the rulers of iran now are not arabs,khamenei is azeri,ahmadinejad is half persian half azeri,which arabs???if they r fenetic moslems atleast they r shia wich is iranian version of islam kurd are exacltly following sunni islam of soudi arabia,
ganjawi gave his poems in persian,as some persian poets gave their poems in arabic,that is literature and has nothing to do with enthic origin.
but i see that is NON constructiv to make a conversation with you,becouz you have NO culture for a debate. the basic rule for a conversation is respect, what you dont have.bye.i dont waste my time more with you, you can believe what you want, i dont care about your ignorance.anyway, read minorsky,gippert and research a bit after you have learn respect
@yarffmde some persian poets had arabic pets but they had dfennitly persian as well but gangavi had all his pot in persian it means he dident know any other language,other wise he should have given atleast 1 in other .
@yarffmde persian is the only language wich continued from arival of arian up to today,kurdish have mix roots of semetic and persian and later influens by arabic if u speak kurdish to an arab he thing is some type of arabic,they way u pronounce the words h like arabs or v like arabic.
@yarffmde this is from qoran and using arabic dosent mean persian is mixed with arabic bc persian have all the persian word today.u idiot panakurd u dont know even poet.kurdish is mosslty arabic,and i knew fro beging u r a sepratist kurdish .
@sspersian that is not from Quran, that is about WINE and drinking, hahahahain Qoran ? hahahaha, funny try, idiot ham khodeti, i send you all your lovely insults to you and your friends, and people like you ;-) bye bye funny racist pan fars, keep doing please, becouz your view supports my separatistic movement, thank you
@yarffmde hafes used many arabic in his pot bc he liked it called sabk eraqi in persian poets they are 3 type of persian poet:1)eragi like sadi,hafez2)khorasani with no arabic adding like ferdosi3)hendi like eghbal lahuri.learn some befor ebull shiting.
@yarffmde kurdish dont work with arabic or persian .u dont have even let,but persian ket is the most fam in the world ,roomi,hafez,sadi,ferdosi,roodaki,khayam...tell me one kurd exept ojalan,
@sspersian even all this grandios personalities ( hafez, saadi, rumi...) would feel shame for you. and if you dont know about kurdish culture, that speaks for your ignorance, go and learn about Khani, Ghane, Bêkas, Jaziri, ... dar u balaaye öcalan ham bokhore tuye sare to, un hade aghal shojaaet dare az khodesh defa'kone, to chi? keshwart ro mollah hay arab bordand, be edam shodan man khoshhalo, khak bar saret konand
@yarffmde u better shame for urself that u r a panakurd sepratist cowerd who sit like bitch on internet if ur right go fight persian army ,iran =persia and kurdistan never existed and wont die in ur dreams .
@sspersian gofte budam, fahhashi to be khodet pas mifrestam, pas comment hatu yek bare digar bekhun, mashti :-) honare fahhashi nazde iranian ast o bas, hahahahahahaha
@sspersian give ( iranic languages ) into google, and pictures, you see a lot of maps and tabelles, go and check. after that, learn to discus with respect, if your are realy an iranian. fahhashi ke kare sakhti nist, khejaalat dare.
as kurdish tribes have sugroups:like kurmanji,sorani.persian(parsi) tribes have also subgroups:mazani,gilani,talysh,tat,tajik,shirazi,isafahani,tehrani,hezare,lori,...whay u try to seprate the persians?????
تلفونت منو كشته! هه هه
bushehr 7 months ago
ISO 639-3 lists dialects of Persian, the 3 main literary dialects listed farsi/tajik/dari(iran,,south russia) and seven regional dialects: Hazaragi, Aimaq, Bukharic, Dzhidi, Dehwari, Darwazi, Pahlavani.
Luri (or Lori), spoken mainly in the southwestern Iran and Fars Province and some parts of Khuzestan.
Tat,: spoken in parts of Azerbaijan, Russia, etc. It includes Judeo-Tat & Christian-Tat.
Lari (in southern Iran) ,mazni ,gilakalysh,talysh(north iran).
encylopedia.go read turd mule!
sspersian 7 months ago
@sspersian
don't forget Digor in Ossetia, they are very Iranian, in fact they call themselves 'Ironi' or Iron which is a cognate of Iran and thus Aryan
yashil17 2 months ago
i know u panturk want to take armanian,iranian(talysh)lands under fake nation of azari turk!u turk r belong to gobi desert mongolia(turkestan)what do u do in iranian and anatolia!?
sspersian 7 months ago
@leibinitzk i know u panturk want to take armanian,iranian(talysh)lands under fake nation of azari turk!u turk r belong to gobi desert mongolia(turkestan)what do u do in iranian and anatolia!?
there is only one turk land and its in mongolia,what r u doing on iranian(talysh,kurdish)or armanian lands!???
this is the main question!!
sspersian 7 months ago
1)go check the persian of iran ,there is map there :
tajiks,tata,mazani,lur,lari,bakthiyai,farsi,khorasani,all are persian peaple and same dilect some diffrent of accents.
talysh is simailar to tehrani persian(official farsi of iran) as auastrian to german bc its same language.its liek u say arabic of iraq is another languge from arabic of s arabia.
go learn abit .
sspersian 7 months ago
@leibinitzk u get a life turkish mongol.talysh have been laways native of azarbaijan,tlysh and they are pure speaker and race of iranian language and theire dilect is 90% similar o official farsi of iran which is khorasani or dari persian.
turk went to azarbaijan 800 years back from mongolia while talysh recorded from 3000 years back as remaing of ancient persian or pahlawi parsi/persian.
sspersian 7 months ago
@sspersian i am looser or u turk azari!?????
1)every one can read that talysh is a pure iranian dilect and 90% similar to official persian of iran or farsi.
2)while azari turkish is one of the branch of mongolid dilects.
so if talysh are not iranian race what they are turk!???
u f lier panturk shit.
sspersian 7 months ago
@sspersian
hey bera, Azerbaijani are Irani, they've been mixed with Turks and Uzbeks, but originally they are Irani, Azerbaijan means Land of Fire in the Airiyan language.
yashil17 2 months ago
@leibinitzk yes talysh are old habitant of talysh and azarbaijan and desnt of old persian tribes.but u turk came from mongoli in 12 ad and occupy our lands.u should go back to gobi desert of mongolia(turkistan)
sspersian 7 months ago
Live Talyshstan!!!
talishinfo 8 months ago
Talysh language belongs to Iranian languages. But it is not mutually intelligible with persian. So it is not an accent of persian, but essentially a different language. But music sounds quite similar iranian.
MultiDagli 11 months ago
@alborzka Both words are used interchangeably. Persian = Iranian, it does not mean "Fars." We called it "Persia" and Persian rugs, not Iran and Iranian rugs.
They are trying to limit and minimize and ultimately undermine and destroy the word "Persian" and all of its meaning. "Iran" is the same as "Persia." "Iranian" is the same as "Persian." Has been for centuries.
nyisnotbad 1 year ago
@nyisnotbad it's the same to who? A Westerner?
Sorry but I am not a Westerner, I thought I was speaking to an Iranian not a European or American...
alborzka 1 year ago
@alborzka this video title is in English, so I am referring to English. In English it is Persian Talysh. If speaking to any Iranian, it would be in the Persian language, and we would say "Talysheh Irani" Persian means Irani.
nyisnotbad 1 year ago
@nyisnotbad Okay, good points, I agree.
alborzka 1 year ago
@nyisnotbad Fars is the same thing than Perse but because of arabic (they don't have ''P'' letter so they replaced it to ''F'')
isra2eelsharrmoutlak 1 year ago
@alborzka maznai,gilak,talysh :the persian dilects of caspian sea cost of iran are more pure persian than modern persian dari(tehrani)wich have arabic influense.caspian dilects are called also pahlavipersian related to preislami iran wich remain intact fromturkomongols and arab invasion due to alborz mountains,deep forst,and caspian sea.even geneticly they are more pure iranian/ryan/indoeuropian than othe peaple in iran.theire feature,long nose,bony face,green/blue eyes,resembling ancient irani
sspersian 1 year ago
@alborzka luri is that much diffrent from standard farsi(tehrani),wich british accen from american english.even in england accents are diffrent,but the vocablury and grammer and structure is the same.like turkic dilects:turkman,uzbak,turkish istanbuli,......they are same but diffrent dilects.if luri or mazani are not persian its like turkmen is not turkic rither!!!!
while talysh,mazani,gilak are more pure persian related to mipersian before islam than modern darpersian wich have arabic elments
sspersian 1 year ago
@alborzka persian have many dilects:1)modrn persian wich is called:farsi in iran,tajik/dari in tajikestan and afghanistanwich itself has many accents:khorasani,tehrani,yazdi,isfahani,shirazi,soutic,kermani,......2)pahlavi/phlavani persian:mazndarani,talysh,gilak3)luri,bkhtiyari:wich has it own accents.
if you compaire luri with mashhadi accents you see luri is closer to standard persian/tehrani than mashhadi persian accents.im half mashhadipars,and half malayeri lur.go read abit.
sspersian 1 year ago
@alborzka tukistan in mongolia altai mountain clled land of turks later turks came to many places including turkey,turkmanistan,before persian lived in turkmanistan,and roman in turkay but later urk massicared them .but nnow turk live there ,we cant say they r not turk.nly the one in mongolia are
same as persian originated from fars province expanded theire empire and fars was theire capital.
sspersian 1 year ago
@alborzka .iranian have 2 menaing1) citizenship of iran2)iranian race.
some iranian citizens are not iranian race:like iranian arabs,iranian turkmen,iraniangypsieas,iranian jewish.while
some non iranian citizens are iranian race and tribes:like tajiks,pashtoon,kurds of turkey,iraq,zazas tats ,ossetian of caucasia.
if you dont know this means you are either ignorant ,uneducated or want to lie for some political raesons against iran.
its written on any historical,ethniological,genetical book.
sspersian 1 year ago
persian by time classified to 3 main grouos:1)OLD PERSIAN:dinstict/language of AVESTA (zorastrian book)3)midlepersian(parsipahlavi,pahlavani):today speak only by north persians:mazani,talysh,gilak,tats4)modern persian wich also called :farsi(arabic form of parsi)in iran,tajik(intajikestan),parsi dari or darbari in afghnistan.wich originated after arab invasion of iran in khorasan,tajikestan,afghanistan by work of khorsani persian poets like:ferdosi toosi,roodaki,roomi,..
sspersian 1 year ago
@alborzka its a very wrong concepts that some peaple think tehrani farsi is the only persian!!!you need to read abit and travel to diffrent parts of iran.
sspersian 1 year ago
@alborzka for example im from mashhad(khorasan) we have mashhadi persian accent wich isvery similar to mazani,talysh.
i think even talysh persian accent is more clear for tehrani persian speakers,than khorasani persian accent.
sspersian 1 year ago
@alborzka they are only diifrent accents of persian,but same language.they are many accents in persian:khorasani,mazani,iasfahani,shirazi,gilani(rashi),afghani,......
the standard persian accent in iran is tehrani persian accent bc tehran became capital.
same turkic language:istanbuli turkish,turkmen,uzbaki are same languages but diffrent accents.
so is turkmani is a diffrent language from turkish??
sspersian 1 year ago
@alborzka persian by time classified to 3 main grouos:1)OLD PERSIAN:dinstict/language of AVESTA (zorastrian book)3)midlepersian(parsipahlavi,pahlavani):today speak only by north persians:mazani,talysh,gilak,tats4)modern persian wich also called :farsi(arabic form of parsi)in iran,tajik(intajikestan),parsi dari or darbari in afghnistan.wich originated after arab invasion of iran in khorasan,tajikestan,afghanistan by work of khorsani persian poets like:ferdosi toosi,roodaki,roomi,..
sspersian 1 year ago
@alborzka The Tat language or Tati is a Southwestern Iranian language spoken by the Tats in Azerbaijan and Russia. According to the Ethnologue, it's spoken by 18,000 people in Azerbaijan, 8000 in Iran, and 2300 in Russia.[1] Its written form is related to Middle Persian Pahlavi. There is also a Jewish language called Judeo-Tat that is derived from the Tat language.FROM ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANICA,YOU CAN CHECK.tati,talysh,mazani,gilak are remaining of midlepersian wich is called PARSIPAHLAVI.
sspersian 1 year ago
@NawrozNawrozi yes talysh is belong to very pure persian tribes ,they speak northic persian or pahlavipersian ,pahlavi persian has subdilects:talysh,mazandarani,gilak.
the farsi is another persian dilect,wich calles also parsi dai,tjik.
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian : Talysh are an Iranian tribe. True.
IranHistory 11 months ago 4
@NawrozNawrozi Just like a Persian Kurd who is an Iranian/Persian whose regional identity is also Kurdish in addition to Persian nationality and civilization. Everyone in Greater Iran has an Perso-Iranian cultural heritage along with a local, "mahali" identity,
nyisnotbad 1 year ago
@nyisnotbad what does "mahali" mean?
DimitarDobrinov 1 year ago
@DimitarDobrinov mahali means accent persian/parsi have many guyesh from village to city and even in same city and provinces due to large size of iran.
sspersian 1 year ago
@DimitarDobrinov means "local" or "regional"
nyisnotbad 1 year ago
Beautiful!
God bless IRAN and Iranians!
utash321 1 year ago
@yarffmde what makes u think this kid is in the majority or represent us. please think. most Iranians think like darioush forouhar
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@Kadusii Talysh freedom now. iran must fuck Alievbaiajan in the ass and liberate Talysh like Qarabagh. Talysh hate u people. they think u are resualt of donkey and wolk bastard childs. they seperated in 1993. then u went in and killed them and annex it. LOng Life to Iranics, Down with Donkeys.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@yarffmde if u go on any video of iran u s panakurdish lies.they even sya lor are bakhtiyari r kurd although according to ur language tree lori is south west as persian and kurdish is north western ,and all ethniologist,historian menationed lor as remaing of oldest persian nomads,in south and west iran zagros,who s the lier mr panakurd,u guys are full of shit.thats whay iran and turky are working togather to finish u.
sspersian 1 year ago
@yarffmde u mentioned im the best reason u r a panakurd sepratist!!1)whay ur argiuing here where this video has no relation to kurds?its about talysh persian song.2)who is the one start this argument??common man even a panakurdish like u can be abit more logical.
sspersian 1 year ago
@yarffmde and now u talk in bahafe of hafez and sadi shirazi?i dont like argiuing but i dont take lies ,im from mashhad and some of my family are mazandarani and we know what we are now u panakurd want to tell us who we are?while the kurd are the only in iran which dont have exact known roots,the fact is panakurds and kurdish groups are enemies of iranian sovernty but obviously very weak but theyr waiting if may usa attack iran wich will never do to take advantage like they did in iraq.
sspersian 1 year ago
@yarffmde im not soporting sepratism in iran,our argue started with u guys coming on persian video like this and falsificating ,although the caspian talysh,mazan,gilak known as persian dilects by themselves,and the whole worl,and all linguistic and esthetistic u try to make lies and relate them tu ur peaple to look good,and say ur many.if u go to mazandaran and call them kurd they slap u in the face ,and mthey consider not only persian but purest persian like sha himself.
sspersian 1 year ago
@yarffmde as panakurd try herder persian are defiting thme in every field,persian knew the panakurd as theire back yard enemy for many years,its nothing new,but if u think u win,i tell u ur wasting anly my time and urs,
sspersian 1 year ago
@yarffmde 1)be sepratist who ur peaple are betrating iran from old time to now,u knew a kurd cut the head of last persian sasanid king (yazdgerd the 3rd)and gave it to his arab master omar?2)panakurds should be killed panakurd=enemy of iran,panapersian=panairanian.its obvious,iran knows in the whole world as persia,persian carpet,persian cat,persian garden,persian artitecture.persian empire,kurd only known after sadam start killing them as some primitive villagers ,
sspersian 1 year ago
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IranianBeauty1 1 year ago
@yarffmde 1)azerbijan were 100 % parsi speaker before turks invasion,all the text from poets of gangavi and others prove that azeri called exacltly parsi and farsi called dari or tajik then2)i knew u r panakurd but u tryed to arranged some lies to seprate persian tribes,like british policy seprate and rule,but u forgot that u kurds are to small,weak,ignorant to chalenge persians with 3000 years continius civilization.
sspersian 1 year ago
only racists deserve death. and you are one, according your own comment.
i am very happy that there are some clever persians who are not like you, RIP Dariush Furuhar did never agree with your ignorant racism. he did deserve death aswell? what now? who doesnt agree with you , must die , or what? i think, you die better :-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
mr. linguist, when persia and media and iran all are identical, lets call this country media, and not persia, hahahahahah, there is no iran, no presia, that is media, becoz medians were befor persians, ) what do you mean? you see that is not difficult to play with words. but you dont seem to be willing to learn anything, typical racist ;-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde The name Iran, should represent both Persians and Medians(Kords). seems fair?
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited i wish so much, the majority of iran would think like R.I.P Froruhar, but the reality is another. the majority want shah or sheykh. represent medians and persians? it sound fair, but i am not living in 500 BC. 4/5 of kurds are not in iran, i want be united with them,. that is all what i want, not more and not less
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde my friend, not even 10 percent of the people of Iran want the Sheykh and Shah combined together. most want a democratic system, thats what they are giving blood for. and yes you have every right in the world to be united with other kords, i have no right to decide for the kords. but my comment was mostly inregards to your comment on saying sspersian represents some 50-60 million persians.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited i have good persian friends, who understand me and my view. i never think, that sspersian were the representant of all persians, i never did say that, he said he is a racist ( his own words ) and I gave him the answer how a racist must get one :-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited you see he changed his view about kurds several times in this discussion, at the first he said, kurds are persian, later he said kurds are iranian, later he said kurds are mixed race, and later he said kurds are semidic, hahahahaha he is really funny, indeed me personaly i dont care about race.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde then why would you argue with some one like that. shows that he is just throwing things out there.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited indeed i ignored him as he started to be boring :-)
but i must say, persians who support free kurdistan, thay are not a majority, you belong to a very small group, thay see oly separatism, i see unitism :-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde i see your way as well. I have studied about the kords. and I know that you have had rough history. I also respect you guys alot despite all the repression you have kept your culture and language. shows your braveness. As i said before ideally kords should have the right to choose their path, and no one has the right to force it ways on others. any other way it would be hypocritical. unfortunately thats how most people and countries are.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited yes, i agree with you in this point.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde i see what your saying and I agree with you to some extent. for me is more about culture, history and obviuosly security and common interests. I think Kords and other Iranian common culture and share same threats (pan-Arabism, and Pan-Turkism). also in a democratic situatiion which both their rights are respected and promoted both can benefit equally, and enhence our common culture, maybe a eu or united states type system. I my self as persian do like the fact that the
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited trys force it way on everyone else. see if we stick together on equal terms, we have the potential to become a powerful and rich country or union ourselves. thats just my opinion.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited the difference between pan arabism, pan turkism to pan iranism is very big, a turk from turkey recognize all other turks as TURKISH, the arab do the same with all arabs, but persians want have a privilege a special place and dominating others, and that will never works, ( only when you kill all kurds with an atom bombe , so maybe in this way it will be possible in a nuclear land )
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde yes, this must change if such thing ever occurs. this persian centeriism, i dont like either. it should be like a contract between two people. something like that. btw are iranian kord?
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
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@AryanaUnited yes, i am iranian kurdish.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde pan-torksist if ever materializes will have a civil, they have different culture and languages, even an azari cant understan an Istanboli. Arabs atleast have same language.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited yes, turks from turkmenistan ,azerbaycan or turkey dont understand eachother, but no one exclude others and take privilegs for himself. unfotunately gray wolves have more solidarity than us, shame , shame , shame. but the answer to the question WHY, you find in the history of last 500 years.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde yes but torks have never been one in history, and, now in my opinion thy live in lala land. plus pan-torkism is very nazi like and racist, and agian if it ever materializes it will have the same fate of nazi germany. but i support forouhars pan-iranism, something that is humane not based on bunch of people who think like they are decendents of a wolf in central asia.(lol). again if people of Iran or persian centrists cant accept this then, that would be the problem.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited the idea of PAN has indeed relation with racism, more or less. but that is an other matter. what i was tring to tell , is, in this compare you see a real PAN among turks but not among iranians, that is not pan iranism, that is just only pan farsism. in their program you can read( iran is where persian is spoken ) later ( 40 years later ) thay took this shamful capital away. but in mind thay kept it
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde i must say, you have a negative opinion of persian being able to change. Iranian socity has changed alot, 30 years ago they brought this regime, now they are giving blood to get rid of it. people and situations change. i think more and more persian are begining to see Iran as a multi-linguistic entity. this is atleast based on my exprience.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited indeed we kurds said the same befor 30 years, and the people who made the green mode were killing us, and thay say the same as we said befor 30 years,
yes, i have lot of negative experience, mixed with relegious fanatics of persians ( of cours not all ) and when i study the history,,hhmm,,the changing of a regime , changed nothing for us, if safawid, ghajars, pahlawis, mullah, all did the same with us. our question is not the kind of government in iran, our problem is unity
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde pre-1925, there were not much central gov. control outside the capital. it was under pahlavi that persianization started.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited our tragic history begins with safawid who killed 10000 kurds in dimdim battle. since this date we have NO normal life, NO peace, no human right, nothing. not in iran, not in iraq, not in turky, and worst is in syria. and iran is helping turkey , and syria, shah did the same, reza shah did the same with ataturk. and nobody protested against that ( RIP foruhar was a great exception )
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde isnt turkey and iraq the worst. turks and iraqi displaced people, burned villages down, torks even denied the kordsih existence. you cant say iran is as bad as iraq and turkey.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited you compare iran with turkey, iran and syria? this compare is very sad, iran were our homeland, but iraq, or turkey have nothing to do with us, thay are fake counties. i dont need to give any comments about them. but indeed i must say,today iraqi kurds have a good and free life, the single region in all middle east without political prison, without repression, without ethnic repression, without relegious fanatism, that makes me very proud, i hope iran and turkey cannt distroy that
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde u are right it is shameful to compare iran with iraq and turkey.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited indeed in have a clear relation to arabs or turks, i dont expect frienship, of cours not, and not understanding, we are enemies BASTA. but about persians, i relay dont understand this nation. thay dont know their rela friends, and cooperate with ataturk, and arabs against us, i never understand that, and in the same time thay ask for our friendship. i hope god will give a the ablity ti understand that in future. maybe i am to naiv for that
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde y did reza pahlavi help ataturk, i dont understand that either? what did he do?. also didnt mreza shah help iraqi kords.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
ataturt destriyed the kurdish republic of ararat , he managed that only with help of reza shah,becoz turkey was an young republic with weak armee, ataturks armee was allowed to use iranian territory around ararat and attack kurds, iran gave turkey weapon,and soldiers :-) later mohammad reza shah made bussines with saddam hussein in algerien about kurds, this traitor sold kurdish movement to arabs,the result was:karkuk got arabized, and 200 000 kurds disapeared in south desert of iraq
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde i didnt know reza shah let ata tork to use iranian territory.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
yes,now you know that,you never ask,why reza shah and ataturk were so close friends?you see the statue of reza shah in istanbul,just now.in taksim sq.
th arabization of karkuk was not a short time process,it began in 70s,later in 80s during the war it got speed& more volume, saddam imported arabs from gulf region to karkuk,but all that was the result of algerian contract.between iran and saddam. later we have seen what is the result when you make business with arabs and sold kurds
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde did nt kerkuk get arabized in late 1980's
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@yarffmde the safaweeds killed evryone, thats why persians are shias today.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited killing kurds had nothing to do with sunni and shia, the kurds in khorasan are shia. who are diported there
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde didnt they become shia after diportation. plus safavids were not persian.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited safawid were not persian, but thay GOT persian, and pahlawi? thay were nopt persian? and persians did protests against that? of all persian intellectuals and policians were silence ?? why???
no , no, the story of DimDIm has nothing to do with shia and sunni, the mukriani kurds were sunni, the Hewramani kurds were sunni,. we have a lot of shia kurds, in iran, iraq and turky, that is not tha qiestion
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde pahlavi was the only persian dynasty in last 1000 years.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited indeed my problem is more with agreement of persian people with this method, and less with government , if arabs, turks, or ...
as i said, the kind of government changes nothing for us. that will be the same as it is since 500 years. the same and the same, and soon we will disapear in iran, maybe, south part get persianized and northern part will be azeri. and when you have lost your kurdish friend, iran will get turkified step by step,
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde i agree most of your points. and i do hope this changes, because iran is becoming torkified bit by bit. tehran is 25-40 percent tork now. thats why i said we need to stick together, rather then be divided amongst ourselves. as i said, kurds are the best friends persians can have. it seems that we see most things in a same fashion
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited last year, 17 villages of Mahabd are gived to turkish city miandoab.
that was not bit by bit, that was a big step. their aim now in takhte soleyman, that must get turkish, later thay claim zarathustra were azeri turk, hahahahahaha, but when kurds disapeared and you are alone, you will think about my tragic irony. yes, pahlawi was the only persian dynasty in 1000 years, but thay were the worst to us.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde i dont understand this, why would persians strengthen pan-torks. maybe its the torkish elements in the country doing this. as they have a lot of power, khamenei is tork, rahim safavi ( rev guard commander) and many other elite in the IR.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited no no, dont be personaly, that is not a patter or turkish persons, khamenei doesnt care about turkish cultur or grey wolves, he is an idiot mullah, not more and not les, i even respect azeri cultur as i respect my neigbour, but he is even my neighbour and not the GOD. ask reza shah why he did that, kurds feel, becoz persians think at their our interessts. that is geopolitical play, iran needs ankara and baghdad, please study the saad abaad contract between iran, turkey and iraq.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde i dont understand why would iran need ankara and baghdad while they are trying to destroy it. each in its own way. this makes no sense.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited in geopolitical aspect , tehran, baghdad, damasc and ankara need eachother, that is not a matter of ariyan or not ariyan, the is geopolitical question, and kurds have to pay. that s it.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde are u suggesting the persians are purposely torkifying iran to destroy themselves
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited yes, persians choos the wrong way. and thay will pay for that , sooner or later, that is a natural rule. not my decision. we are 40 000 000 people without a state and country, we want to get our right, who helps us , is our freind, other people should keep away. and who helps our enemies , he is even our enemiy, that is so simple.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde i guess you have point.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited even in prison there is no equality, RIP ferzad kamangar said, you can see the different situation between kurds and others even in prison.
about which democracy are you speaking? i am speaking about mentality and moralic position, RIP furuhar showed to us, that you can SAY and protest even under dictatorship. he said the true befor and after so called islamic revolution, but ONLY one person?? that is indeed very disapointing.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde i dont agree with you on that there is unequality in prison. and trust me by far more persians have been killed in the passed 30 years. the murders of in early 1980's, 1987 mass killing of political prisoners, 1997 chain killing and the recent crackdowns. did you miss what happened in kahrizak, people being raped and killed for what? prostesting peacefully.
on the second point i agree, peoples mentaliity needs to change.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited and in my opinion it is, as i told you before, i like to see a iran where Iranianess difined based on our common history, and culture, rather then persian language. I think all iranian languages should have equal standing in Iran ( kordi, farsi,gilaki, luri, baloochi etc..), and i also believe we can do this, an Iran for all irans. atleast thats what I am going to fight for when i finish my degree.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited What makes me angry is that we fight amongst ourselves, letting others take advantage of us. exploit our resources, weaken us and set us against one another. Do you think Israelis' or americans care about kords? again our mentalities should change and we should realize that not only our culture and history similar but also our national or ethnic interests. do u think if persians and kords stick together even as two different countries any one could push them around.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited look at eu they killed 50 million of each other now they are becoming one country based on cultural and historical and economic ties. we persians and u kords have much similarities then lets say germans and french. I can promise you if we unite we can even liberate diyarbakr from the torks. iran is a rich country and relatively well developed better then torkey who is dependent on the west. in normal situation they can not compete with us. and I am sure other Darioush Foroohars
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited will come up. the types of talks me and u have should be made on national Iranian TVs in my opinion.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited nice and human opinion, but in my impression it is impossible.
i wished , it were possible, but please study the last 500 years, tehran will NEVER NEVER NEVER help us to make Diyarbekir free.(orignal name is Amêd, the city of medes, arabs changed the name to diyarbekir), tehran-baghdad-ankara will stay in alliance and that is not a question of ethnic origin nor culture.and i am not willing to pay for this alliance.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde but one thing you need to understand is that so far we have had dictatorships in the country, and they are usually after their own interests rather then the peoples. do u think IR is interested in the peoples interests? or the shah, the american puppet. in a democratic Iran the interests of the people are suppose to be what matters. and it is in Irans interest to be close with the Kords. Same goes with the Kords in my opinion. .
btw i didnt know the name of diyarbakr was Amed. i like.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited I think, that is not a question of IR, other kind of government wouldnt change anything for kurds, becoz the geopolitiocal interessts with ankara and baghdad will have priority. when yoyu have 40 000 000 people, without independence and without a state, you cannt get peace, never,
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde you should nt be so negative, the geopolitics of the situation changes. first of all baghdad is on the verge of collapse, if the Americans leave that country there will civil war there, and after it i doubt that there will be a Iraqi state, in my opinion. Also about Turkey u never know, that country is fragile state, it has been able to survive due to the aid and support its got from the west. If it Islamizes or if the west does not see its interest their it could abandon itt.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited in this case, i will never refuse your hand of help and friendship. but my firs priority is freedom of ALL kurds, and not only in iran.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde I think in the next year or less, we will see what direction Iran will go. with all the pressure on the regime i doubt it lasts much longer.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited I wish all iranians get freedom and peace, but about this regime i am not realy very optimistic, thay will survive longer, becoz of relegios reason.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde people in iran are not that religious. its all a show. plus i doubt that many in iran view this regime as truly religious. mark my word this regime will be gone much sooner.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited germans say: your word in God's ear :-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited I agree with you, israel and usa dont care about Kurds, as I said, our only friend is mountain.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited study the saad abaad contrct and you will see who is friend of kurds, NO BODY. we say: our only friend is the mountain. the montains protected us agains mongols, agains greeks, agains arabs, and against tukrs. nobody else.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde your arguments suggests that the torks are destroying the iranian culture with. thus both persian and kordish are going to lose if this continues.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited, turks destroy iran? no thay dont destroy, thay are not stupid, thay take it just for themselves, why distroying? and we see NO help from persian side, we have to fight in 3 fronts, you see the news todays about turkey ( Van, DiyarBekir...) please see the news. we fight alone , and when we rich victory, we will not share that with you. becoz we never forget , that persians helped saddam and ataturks, ok, thay regreted that later, but too late is too late.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde are u talking about the bombings in turkey? plus how could you expect help from persian who themselves are oppressed in iran. if they could they would help themselves. plus you cant blame the treason dictators on the persian people, that is just not right. iran has never been even half democracy. if a democratic iran did that i would give you the benefit of the doubt, but not dictators. that not right.
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited i never said ,persians should help us in fighting, but in mind and moralic, more understanding us. persians line sspersian here despointe us more and more about all historical and cultural common between kurds and persians. thay accuse us to being separatist, but thay have no problem when 40 milions kurds are separated in 4 countries. who is separatist now? i wanna unity of these 40 milions people.and some persians want them to be separated. i am unitist :-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited safawid and afshar diported kurds of west side or urmia lake to khorasan and gave their land to onw relatives ( afshar turks ), befor this date there were NO turkish speaker in west side of Urmia lake, and NO this process is going now, the region of miandoab , tekab and sayin dezh are getting turkified. hamadan is allready lost, the next plan is kermanshah, and in some generation you see NO kurds in iran. please telle me why should i be pan iranist? what does give me?
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde my annswer is to prevent torkification of kurdish lands. plus y would persian want to torkify kordish lands, to create a threat of their own extinction?
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
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yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde what?
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited sorry, i was confused i did think you were a persian friend from hamburg, he had a very similar background in his profile
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde ah, i c
AryanaUnited 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited for our feeling: pan iranism = persian imperialism
yarffmde 1 year ago
@AryanaUnited i respect your opinion, it is human and positive, but in practice, it is not possible.
yarffmde 1 year ago
atropatene = media minor
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde medi minor became azarabadegan parsi persian first time observed by asirian near lake orumie in azerbaijan.go read a bit .
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian azerbayjan farsi? hehehehe, new creation? where did you see this expression, in your dream?
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde and caspian called tabaretan deilaman,and some times pahlavi dej part of north persia.hole iran fcalled persia by 1940 something until reza shah choosed iran to please hitler due to iran=arian conjugation.madian and persian and parthian were the same later called by this names medi meand middle,pars means nobel,fars means night (showaliy)in arabic,.its all the same.
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian this country is called êran by sasanids, and not by reza shah for first time, median and persian were close language, but not identical. median belongs to NW and persian to SW subgrup of proto iranic language.
median and persian were not the same language. but you can repead yourself when it makes you happy :-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde if median was diffrent from persian whay there is no even one tesxt remain called madian ???bc persian and median were same langugae but persian was the one became developed due to letters of arameic and language of kings dari=darbari means diledt of kings and pahlavi was for village.even today is almost like that.
sspersian 1 year ago
long life persia and all persian tribes:mazani,gilak,talysh,khorasani,yazdi,shirazi,isfahani,kermani,hamedani,ghasvini,....
sspersian 1 year ago
i have seen you are happy about hanging iranic people, that is your real face. and now you say: lets be polite?, there is NO base for discusse becoz you are a racist ( accoring your message ) and becoz of your unhuman view about other cultures.
i have respect for every culture, go and ask yourself about that. bye
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde no im not happy for kiling iranian but panakurd deserve death only .they are more dengrous for iran than arabs and turks even.
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian panm kurds deserve death? an why not pan farsis? for your info, the hangnged people were not pan kurds. but i am one ;-) com and kill me, hehehehe, i am sure, hafez and saadi would feel shame for your idioty and racistic view, who say, persia = iran, he has no respect for non persian iranic people.
yarffmde 1 year ago
ahhhha, iran = persia, pas tajik ha ke tuye iran nistand, persian nistand? hahahahahahaha, funny logic, it starts to amaze us, hahahahaha
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde no iran is good for now ,tajikestan is a seprate state now,as well as turky and iraq,kurdistan is dream land for few froustrated peaple there ,and any time they try to couse problem iranian answerd them badly and its been from time sasanid to safavid,razasha,shah,and now.
sspersian 1 year ago
to hamun aksi ke tuye profilet gozashti dozdiye. dige chi migi? asle in aks tuye ketabe ( dress of ancient people ) ast, ziresh ham neweshte, median king. hala shoma manipulate mikoni, un bahse digari ast, chon gofte budi racist hasti, racist ha ham shize sheer ziyad migan ;-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
at the end: i am separatist becoz of your typical view. go and think about that when you are a real iran lover ;-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde tell me one example of persian wich is not persian origin for it this is from hafez shirazi from qoran u gypsy now u desrespect hafez wich is one of the most fam in the world even the german most fame gute followed hafesz idae.u make fun of his poet with ur haha?go u turban head refugee.
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian gypsy ham jad u abadet tashrif darand, i love hafez, that is not disrespect , that is argument. yopu are really boring me, when you are not disrespecting hafez, why are you a racist? hafez never agrees with racism, go and learn from him, when you claim culture, ( that you not have )
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde and tell me one word wich there is no persian word for it.whay u scape and acting like monkies?tel meso we accept ur lies.
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian monky khodeti, hameye chert o perthayi ham ke gofti khodet o kas o karet hastand :-) bebin azizm, fahhashi kare asuni ast.
shoma ke edea dari farhang dari khob azash estefade kon, ya inke nadaari u faghat edea dari. ya farhangi ke edeasho dari be fahhashi kholase mishe?
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde ok lets be polits u started acting like monky saiyng hahaha instead of answering my respons to ur lies.u saied persian is very much arabic ,and i told u tell me one example.u mentioned dokhaniyat wich i told u the persian,then u bring a part of hafez wich was in arabic to inforce ur lies??who is liing here???
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian hahahaha is not an insult, go and learn ADAB, befor you offen your mouth. insulting other people is not difficult in internet. that is NOTHING, and who has culture he knows that.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde u go and learn to lie less even for ur panakurdish couse atleast grow some balls and fight by gun.
sspersian 1 year ago
Azari is believed to be a part of the dialect continuum of Northwest Iranian languages. As such, its ancestor would be close to the earliest attested Northwest Iranian languages, Median. source: "Azari, the Old Iranian Language of Azerbaijan", Encyclopædia Iranica, op. cit., Vol. III/2, 1987 by E. Yarshater
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde azeri was 100 5parsi before turk invasion,modern farsi called dari then and azeri called parsi any one who dont belive can check all ganjavi,or other old azeri poems are 1005 pure persian not even one kurdish or medes or other.
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian استعمال دخانيات ممنوع ؛-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde az keshidan sigar khoddari konid .this the persian form of estemal dokhaniyat manu.any other examples u panakurdish?
sspersian 1 year ago
@yarffmde i told u if u tell me one persian word wich there is no persian word for it but arabic i accept all ur panakurdish lies.
sspersian 1 year ago
@yarffmde so mr panakurd with ur only source dr gibert unknown !!1.how u calaim u know about language and persian when u dont know this ,estemal dokhaniyat mamnu=az keshidan sigar khordari konid ,??how u can be even from iran ??how u say persian is 50% arabic when they r persian words for all .???
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian i said persian is 50% arabic? you lier, when di i said 50% ???
az keshidane sigar khoddari konid, maanish in nist ke estemale dokhaniat mamnua tuye farsi maamul nabaashe, chi be chi rabt dare. naghshe ferestadam, tuye internet ham por az tabelle u naghshe ast, berid khodetun bebinid, man dige baraaye shoma waght nadaaram,shoma ke be joz fahhashi chizi balad nisti.
yarffmde 1 year ago
gulf2000. columbia. edu/maps .sh tm l
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde here everybody can see the map of iranic languages and other languages spoken in iran.
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde lie1) if u tell me one word in persian which has only arabic origin and there is no persian word for it i accept ur lies2)shahname of ferdosi is the most complit iranian language poet book with not even few arabic word3)the rulers of iran now are not arabs,khamenei is azeri,ahmadinejad is half persian half azeri,which arabs???if they r fenetic moslems atleast they r shia wich is iranian version of islam kurd are exacltly following sunni islam of soudi arabia,
sspersian 1 year ago
ganjawi gave his poems in persian,as some persian poets gave their poems in arabic,that is literature and has nothing to do with enthic origin.
but i see that is NON constructiv to make a conversation with you,becouz you have NO culture for a debate. the basic rule for a conversation is respect, what you dont have.bye.i dont waste my time more with you, you can believe what you want, i dont care about your ignorance.anyway, read minorsky,gippert and research a bit after you have learn respect
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde some persian poets had arabic pets but they had dfennitly persian as well but gangavi had all his pot in persian it means he dident know any other language,other wise he should have given atleast 1 in other .
sspersian 1 year ago
the most arabized iranic language is Persian :-) arab ruler keep the power in iran even now :-)
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde persian is the only language wich continued from arival of arian up to today,kurdish have mix roots of semetic and persian and later influens by arabic if u speak kurdish to an arab he thing is some type of arabic,they way u pronounce the words h like arabs or v like arabic.
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian hahahahaha, nice try, persian will NOT work without arabic . even persian literats know that and say that.
you pan farsist, hahhahahyou are funny,
الا يا ايها الساقی ادر کاسّا و ناولها
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde this is from qoran and using arabic dosent mean persian is mixed with arabic bc persian have all the persian word today.u idiot panakurd u dont know even poet.kurdish is mosslty arabic,and i knew fro beging u r a sepratist kurdish .
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian that is not from Quran, that is about WINE and drinking, hahahahain Qoran ? hahahaha, funny try, idiot ham khodeti, i send you all your lovely insults to you and your friends, and people like you ;-) bye bye funny racist pan fars, keep doing please, becouz your view supports my separatistic movement, thank you
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde hafes used many arabic in his pot bc he liked it called sabk eraqi in persian poets they are 3 type of persian poet:1)eragi like sadi,hafez2)khorasani with no arabic adding like ferdosi3)hendi like eghbal lahuri.learn some befor ebull shiting.
sspersian 1 year ago
@yarffmde kurdish dont work with arabic or persian .u dont have even let,but persian ket is the most fam in the world ,roomi,hafez,sadi,ferdosi,roodaki,khayam...tell me one kurd exept ojalan,
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian even all this grandios personalities ( hafez, saadi, rumi...) would feel shame for you. and if you dont know about kurdish culture, that speaks for your ignorance, go and learn about Khani, Ghane, Bêkas, Jaziri, ... dar u balaaye öcalan ham bokhore tuye sare to, un hade aghal shojaaet dare az khodesh defa'kone, to chi? keshwart ro mollah hay arab bordand, be edam shodan man khoshhalo, khak bar saret konand
yarffmde 1 year ago
@yarffmde u better shame for urself that u r a panakurd sepratist cowerd who sit like bitch on internet if ur right go fight persian army ,iran =persia and kurdistan never existed and wont die in ur dreams .
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian gofte budam, fahhashi to be khodet pas mifrestam, pas comment hatu yek bare digar bekhun, mashti :-) honare fahhashi nazde iranian ast o bas, hahahahahahaha
yarffmde 1 year ago
@sspersian please keep yoing in this way, OK? that supports separatism in iran, and i love that, thank you for your protect :-)
shab be kheyr
yarffmde 1 year ago
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as u said biji kurdistan ,and zende bad persia.also in mazani,gilani,talysh is zende bad so even in this fact they r persian.
sspersian 1 year ago
@sspersian give ( iranic languages ) into google, and pictures, you see a lot of maps and tabelles, go and check. after that, learn to discus with respect, if your are realy an iranian. fahhashi ke kare sakhti nist, khejaalat dare.
yarffmde 1 year ago
racism = ignorance. all people see that here :-) fine result
yarffmde 1 year ago
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as kurdish tribes have sugroups:like kurmanji,sorani.persian(parsi) tribes have also subgroups:mazani,gilani,talysh,tat,tajik,shirazi,isafahani,tehrani,hezare,lori,...whay u try to seprate the persians?????
sspersian 1 year ago