Douglas Rushkoff - Open Source Democracy

[JackGriffin2]

He says he and Obama are gen xers. They're not. They are baby boomers.

[scout6686]

39:00 how would you raise money for social funding then? (ie social security)

[onelowerlight]

@scout6686 Uh...dude, he answers that question at 40:00

[scout6686]

@onelowerlight I distinctly remember writing the question as it came to my mind. Thanks lighty

[scout6686]

Kurt Cobain was a manic depressive

[bananito3]

well, but Sharing Opinions cannot happen if we have political correctness stalking individual opinnions.

[zelikris]

What is the name of the largest non profit ISP, at 53:14? I can't make out what she said.

[wwwhatsup]

@zelikris that would be riseup technologies - the speaker there is Gabriella Coleman

[CosmosPrivateer]

The door is opening will we walk through?

It will close quickly.

[NLGRuMBL]

@CosmosPrivateer

I don't see doors, windows or anything like that. Maybe because i'm already outside, walking away from the house ...

[Soldier957]

@NLGRuMBL

There is no box ;)

[immayhem]

we've had a problem with peripheral value creation for a much longer time than 400 years... hierarchy itself is based on centralized values creation and hegemony. and hierarchy is as old as civilization itself. I like Rushkoff (and I love the possibilities for Open Source philosophy) but I don't care for the oversimplifications in this lecture...

[Jadiustark]

and if you read Life Inc he explains that the merchant class and local currency threatened that hierarchy.

[immayhem]

My point is that hierarchy is older than 400 yrs... that's what we're talking about... and there has always been something (that smells like independence) which threatens any hierarchy (religious, socio-political, what have-you: monarchy, bureaucracy, oligarchy, whatever.) .... right now, the biggest threat to hierarchy is the internet and the proliferation of information. And there isn't anything that can be done about it. They are now utterly dependent on what we, the collective have created.

[LiveWisely]

I love the way these people put so much effort into appearing slack.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Rushkoff's books are worth reading, but so too are many other authors from other genres...even Trump.

[Fnord23Gnosis]

What he is talking about when he says "Bottom up" and "an economy of abundance" really means a resource based economy... and goddamn if we had that the whole world would change... Guess what, It is real time in front of our eyes ;-D... We're on the next step ladies and gentleman - go watch Zeitgiest 2...

[Fnord23Gnosis]

He knew leary... And wilson... WHAT A CHAMP!!!

[itsdarkintheforest]

rushkoff is the hottest economic trend analyst. EVER.

abso dreamy!

[andiiandii]

rushkoff has cp on his hard drive

[themountainviewguy]

There is no "we", it is an illusion that is being sold to whatever is listening.

[kotash2]

Rushkoff is so misguided and wrong. The problems he outlines are a result of the growth of government and goverment power and control over industry. There's nothing wrong with business and capitalism or big companies. But when these industries get special favors from the state, then the stage is set for exploitation. If he wants to be useful he should wirte about how to cut taxes, and shrink government.

[themountainviewguy]

There is no such thing as government except to the extent that the large interests allow the public to think there is.

There is something wrong with capitalism, it has been perverted, or corrupted, or taken over by monopolies, it is political influence and wealth.

The economy is just so big, so there is no room for most of the people in the planet, so by norm is that jobs are the ultimate monopoly, and without health care the system decides who lives and dies.

[randomlittletoad]

The government doesn't control the industry, the industry controls the government. How about shrinking government via removing the parts of it that give big business loopholes since they have the money to buy all the branches of government which was intended as a system of justice. The only regulations corporations want gone are the ones that say they can't poison their customers, not the ones that say no one can compete with them in any actually free way.

[trichenosis]

you're an idiot.

You can't do any of those things until you change monetary policy.

[kotash2]

Hey why ad hominem attack? Monetary policy of gov and the fed favors indebtedness. The change that we need to eliminate the federal reserve and return to some semblance of a gold or metal money standard. This way the gov will not be able to print money out of thin air and give this new money to its friends at goldman sachs. Inflation is the main problem and its at the root of the current financial crises. Business is not the problem, business gives us production and wealth.

[trichenosis]

Business doesn't give us shit.

Labor IS production, and creates wealth.

Inflation isn't a problem. Inflation is just the real world telling us that our monetary system has no basis in reality.

If our monetary units were tied to concrete consumables, it would put limits on the amount of currency created, because we'd have to have concrete consumables.

[kotash2]

I think you are mistaken. Business , spec. capitalism is resp 4 the greatest rise in living standards in the history of humanity over the last 200 years. Labor itself does not by itself produce weath. Its the efficient and profitable use of land, capital (aka savings), and labor that give us wealth. The most skilled among us at generating wealth this way are called entrepreneurs. Wages the price of labor. Inflation is real and caused by governmt, we need gold standard to stop it.

[trichenosis]

No. Business creates nothing.

Labor creates wealth, which is extracted and sold by business.

Your employer buys the wealth you create with your paycheck.

[kotash2]

The reason a man with a bulldozer (BD)can earn more and get more work done than a man with a shovel is b/c someone gave him the BD. That BD is CAPITAL and the system that enabled the bulldozer to come into existence is CAPITALISM. If the man didnt have the knowledge or ingenuity or wealth to invent, build or afford a BD then he is benefitting from the business people that created the bulldozer. The creation of the BD is the capitalist's LABOR just the same as the man who runs the BD is labor.

[immayhem]

Actually the rise in living standards in any society is directly attributable to increasing access to information. Knowledge. Literacy.

[CosmosPrivateer]

That maybe true to an extent but the ability of a certain society to exploit another has been much more successful.

I would say the exploitation of others and your ability to do this with no morale responsibility is what separates the rich from the poor.

[immayhem]

the poor/exploited are mostly uneducated... It's much more difficult to exploit educated people.

... and it's quite a broad generalization to say 'rich' people have a lack of morality, or get their money by exploiting - if i'm reading your comment right.

[CosmosPrivateer]

@immayhem

I should have said very rich then.

[channelislander]

I recommend Rushkoff's books--especially "Coercion"--to anyone interested in the sorts of issues McLuhan and Postman addressed. Great, insightful speaker and writer. Thanks for uploading this video.

[ilexwhite]

As a fellow Xer, I'd never wish the curse of Gladwellian success on you-- but I'm so glad you're out there.

[theantirobot]

Wow he talked about some of the same stuff I talk about. It's good to know I'm not alone in how I see the world.

[michaelroseagain]

Ah Douglas. I remember seeing you talk at a University in Toronto way back in 1998.

Good to see and hear you.

Great talk... will look out for the download for sure.

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[kid29a]

Great talk

[bokkamate]

Good stuff. Is there going to be Part II ???