Wow! Where was the personel accountability of all the firefighters prior to ingiting the pallets Do you use tags/Id's to track who is in the building? While pallets are often used to start fires in trainining... what jackass used gas?
....Well I assume the other crew members made it out. I do think a a single line may not have extinguished it but it would have darkened it down significantly. Also you witnessed a "Rollover" or and uncontained "Backdraft" where the liberated gasses were too rich to burn and as air rushed in either throught the open window of up the stairswell the mixture became lean enough to ignite.
thanks for filming these. I date a fireman and it is good for me to learn what he does. Makes me appericate him and all the other fire fighters more. And darn but you get all the fun. As a fellow photographer, this does look fun to film.
@GhostBusterTrace She was trying to guide them out. But best practice was for her to leave the hose alone, so trapped firefighters could follow the line out to the window. She had good intentions, though.
thats what we do here in my town when we got a mayday call from a firefighter inside. grab all the needed shit and if it gets lost, we can replace it, just grab the downed firefighters and get the eff out.
this video was a great teaching lession . what a brave firefighter . people like that have such bravory and brotherhood and that stands there in a thermal bath ready to be burned and willing to have your back is what i strive for in the fire service and knowing that your safe. I love my fellow Brothers and Sister of my fire district And others That Take The Time And Train to be safe and not to let anythin happen to one another. Hats Come Off From Me To you. Be Safe And please post more
We can all complain and criticize all we like but the truth of it is this was a training excersise and you can bet on one thing, right or wrong Anna LEARNED A LOT from this. She is a gutsy lady and that was one hell of a lesson for her AND the fire ground command there.
This was a scary video, but fire is much more dangerous than it looks because of the gasses, the heat, the dark, the smoke, etc. Don't mess with fire.
or youd be better off making an aerial attack with a TL, truck or quint flowing a main line down on the fire but my FD we do things different we do always go from the OUTSIDE in we always finish exterior attacks before we lay down supply lines and 6ins for interiors or master streams
How about some accountability?The woman almost died there,cause woops,we forgot she was in there alone?Thats bushleague,no one should ever be in a structure fire alone,and when and if the signal to evacuate is given,there should be a personnel count,to make sure you have everyone you went in with.That clearly didnt happen.
No one smelled the gasoline in the beginning?
Why only 100GPM to attack?
What happens when its a real fire at 3 in the morning, and you haven't had all day to plan?
@raisincain15 It was a training fire. You are an idiot for posting such a ridiculous and useless comment. They are not going to be perfect. If you see the word "Training" it is pretty safe to say that it involves many probies who are very green and have alot of learning to do. If you are a true firefighter, you would give them some credit for making it out of that mess. Is that how you coach probies at your firehouse or are you even a firefighter? Lighten up, dude. Who pissed in your Wheaties?
trying not to Monday morning quarterback here, but you should never pull a hoseline out of the house, especially if you think there are crew inside who may be trying to use it to escape.
What if the interior attack crew became disoriented and let go of the hoseline and were desperately groping around trying to find it, only to come up empty because someone had pulled it from the outside.
Why in Gods name would you do a live fire training exercise, in a residential street full of wooden houses..............Hello does that just seem like a pure dumb ass idea, if this is what you guys class as a safe training exercise, then god knows what descisions you guys make at a real incident.
I remember a live training fire I went to back in say.... 91. They used diesel in barrels with some straw to start the fire. Or should I say, smoke up the house. We lit that fire three different times and later burned the structure to the ground. I also remember going into that structure and experiencing the only flash over I saw in my brief 4 year carrier. I later developed asthma and had to quit. Now, a Licensed Paramedic on the box.
@chiefhub how are you suppose to get hands on training if you cant get a "real scenerio" i think the more controlled burns any firefighter does the more confidence and knowledge the firefighter gains.
@TheDonburchiano haha it was suppose to be a "controlled" burn but due to inadequate preparation it turned to a real structure fire. the very least hopefully someone including the instructors walked away from this video and learned something
@ff621 ...... it is better to have the hose where u r then not near u at all ... that's why u bring the hose up the ladder and then inside the house on the 2nd floor where the fire is .
Gonna put my 2 cents in here. We all need to respect each other as a brother or sister who is willing to g where few dare. Whether it be a full time job, or as a volunteer. Sully I'll state it here that even as a volunteer myself. I have taken the requirements that my state has laid down, and more. I consider you a brother, and we all need to remember why we do this job. If we didn't no one else would.
@WEFC43 "he" was a she, and if you listen to the narritive it says she was "fishing the line out" trying to lead the two inside to safety. To me, it looks like she was pulling on that line.
@evfdunit50 Though it is true that the hose can be replaced, when inside of a structure fire, training or not, you never leave the hose. It is your way out. The hose leads to the exit. In most cases you cannot see very well if at all when you are inside of a burning structure, so again, firefighters follow the hose to be sure they make it out. Bump bump to the pump.
@evfdunit50 Though it is true that the hose can be replaced, when inside of a structure fire, training or not, you never leave the hose. It is your way out. The hose leads to the exit. In most cases you cannot see very well if at all when you are inside of a burning structure, so again, firefighters follow the hose to be sure they make it out. The hose can be left in the building but a firefighter shoulder wonder away from it until out safely. Bump bump to the pump.
There is no reason to get mad and call people stupid or dipshit. Come on guys we gotta suck it up. If they don't do it there is no way to make them understand. All we can do is keep on doing what we do. We do it for the love and respect we feel for them not what they feel for us. Besides we are tough and if they want to bitch and cry about it we can take it.
we all do the same job no matter if it's a paid dept or volunteer dept and these firefighters were not using our tax dollars to make a drama movie they used it do a training and to show other firefighters how trainings can go wrong.. things are going to go wrong at training and on fire calls thats why we all stick together and we dont leave anyone behind we all go home together at the end of the day.
well dipshit, Its called training. You need to train to know what the fuck your doing in a fire. In my town its a weekly thing to purposely start a controlled burn and put it out. different scenarios each time.
to bad when we do a controll burn they give the fire dept the house for a tax write off and with out training we wouldnt be able to perfect are jobs say ur house catches fire and we have no trainig what would we do we wouldnt kno thats why we train so we no what to do
im on a vol dedt that has paid members too we all the same we train together and ride together if we kall mutal aid it dosent matter who comes and if things go south we all go thought it together paid or volly were all a team
Either way all firefighter face the same dangers and are all equal. we're all brothers and sisters in the fire service we all have eachothers backs no matter what.
Im sure the paid city crews have a helluva lot more xp than the suburban/country vollys maybe thats the point sully is trying to make my dad was a fireman in the 70s paid in a city i remember him doing training all the time both classroom and the very cool training fires which as a kid i thought were the coolest thing on earth cause i could come watch he told me once respect the fire I havent forgotten it
us voluneteer firefighters go thrue the exact same trainin as full time firefighters, we are no different, and my hats off to that woman, screw you ireland my volunteer station is more organzied then any other station round here so shove taht "stick to grass and car fires" up your a**
you need to research your facts and look outside of your state which probably has 1-2 decent size cities .. raleigh and charlotte if you're from north, and just charleston if you're from south. do some research on fire depts. from massachusetts. almost 1000 people per sq. mi. .. i think we know fires. my dept. pretty much started RIT's too so even though you have 'as much training as me and my officers or you train even more rawr!' IF ..you have any questions, i'll be glad to answer them.
All I have to do is look at the way you spelled 'retarded' to know you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to probably just about anything ..
elk, you said 'many volunteers' go through the same training. maybe where you're from..not where i am. and 'carolinafireman' .. the NFPA does NOT regulate training or academy criteria on a department to department basis, they have a minimum standard which qualifies you as a 'firefighter' .. that's typically what volley's get. Then you have full time depts. (like mine) that do their own academy with training varying significantly. # of runs/working fires=BIG DIFFERENCE..not just the paycheck.
ireland21po...join a fire department(volunteer) and see how things really go...we do everything that a paid fire department does. Not to mention the cities like mine where we dont have a paid fire dept. and I love being a violunteer firefighter...
my husband and I are both volunteer fire fighters, and my husband has every qualification that you have to fight fires. The problem is that volunteer fire departments dont get near the revenues that "you Paid" departments have. And so there for are less likely to be trained. But that should be where the paid guys reach out and offer education and safety so that these people dont die...and professional firefighters make mistakes too and die...so dont be close minded
volunteers make up over 70% of all firefighters. Not to mention that they go through the exact same certification classes as the paid firefighters. Deaths happen to both paid and volunteers, and almost all of them are preventable. Don't be such an idiot.
other than the 70% fact, you have no clue what you're talking about. no volunteers go through the full time 4 month academy my city put us through .. and most full time, large departments put their recruit classes through their own academy's not the state ones. those cities train their recruits according to what we're going to run into on the line, such as high rise training , etc. i'm not trying to take anything away from volleys but once again .. they DO NOT go throught the same training.
Sully, apparently it is you that has no clue. Many volunteers go through the exact same academy as the paid guys. My department is one of them. Our paid staff and volunteers attend the exact same academy and are required to perform the same number of training hours after the acadamy as our paid crews.
If DPSST doesn't differentiate between volunteers and paid firefighters, why should you?........by the way, you shouldn't.
Don't know where you get your info but Volunteers are required to go through the same training as Paid guys. Its called an NFPA Standard, Look it up. If you had any clue you would also realize that the only difference between volunteers & paid guys is a paycheck. There are many VFD's that train just as hard if not harder than many paid departments just to prove people like you wrong. By the way I have just as many certs as the city guys that volunteer at my dept. Research your facts.
In my opinion it was the fault of the firefighters. I to never saw any water or steam at the 15 second mark. If they are doing the training they need to have the line charged and air out of it and ready to go, especially during a training. Thankfully noone was hurt and it was only a training so there were plenty of people to keep the out of control fire contained to only the one structure.
i dont wish to look like a tit but why do they use real houses in america and not the special buildings we have over here it seems like wast and very dangeres as we have all just seen?
well some people decide to have there house torn down and decide to give it to the FD because always going to the training center gets easy theres nothing to get in your way No wires falling wood or anything like it would be on a real fire scene ITS THE BEST WAY TO GET REAL LIVE STRUCTURE FIRE TRAINING BUT WE STILL DO GO TO THE TRAINING CENTERS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT
are you a fire man then or was you i tryed to become a retanedfire man a few years ago but lived a bit too far away for the role call so didnt get in i compleated the training but still never mind
why in 2011 does it take that long to do the course or are you too young at the moment i hope you do make it i have nothing but respect for peaple that do jobs like this also police and paramedics too we can all complain about the cops but i would wont them to come to my house if i needed them even though they often come too late .but the things young dick heads do to FF is just unreal like throwing stones at them and cutting the hoses id soak the little shits but you cant can you
I have no clue what you mean by throwing stones and cutting the lines......as for the FDNY that's when the next entrance exam is its every 3 - 4 years
whot i mean by throwing stones is over here when the tenders turn up to put the fires out mostly burning cars and old houses the thugs on the estate cut the lines and throw bricks at the engine and the fire men thats all i ment
its whot happens over here thats whot im saying i just thought it might happen over there too but obviasly not thats all im not saying iv seen it over there but i have seen it over here alot of the time when cars are on fire the thugs dont wont it putting out cos the cops might get some thing of it that takes them to the thief no offence to you sorry
now this is getting a bit much i never said it did happen over there but it looks like your after a fight so keep me out of it sorry i upset you but theres no reason to go of on one pall see you soon when you calm down
look i sad i didnt wont to fight but hear goes you bloody idiot yes its true look it up i didnt say it was over in america i just wonderd if it was like that over there im not trying to make you look bad you did that all by your self dont have a go at me for your downfalls
I don't think there was any reason to call psp310 an idiot. In the US, we don't have widespread vandalism of fire hoses in the middle of putting out fires. That is a riot situation and if it is a problem where you live, the police should be responding with the fire dept every time there is a fire to catch the little shits who are causing the problems. I mean, catch them in the act and you'll have evidence that they committed the original crime, arson and interference with firefighting ops.
yes your right and i will take it back but he had no reason to call me a lier too i didnt wont to fall out with any one that is not my intention at all and you are right the police should help but they dont thats to much like work for them the tenders do have camras on them but most eather dont work or they never get a clear image of the face and nothing can be done but im sorry if i upset you and probably wont talk to psp310 again so good bye thanks
We do have special buildings in america that do excellent at showing the effects of a structure fire but when u have a condemened home or a home that is abandoned y not utilize it and burn it as a training for the firefighters, nothing is better than live fire exercise
I think that was a shot from the inside camera that monitored the progress of the fire. That was these 15 seconds after igniting the fire, if I'm not mistaken. As of that point, firefighters had not yet entered the room.
In a training exercise the crews are already geared up and sitting in the room with a charged line.
As soon as the fire shows some spreading on the ceiling and the smoke banks down you hit the ceiling with a broad stream to knock the heat down and then you exstinguish the fire.
With open rafters and going by the video, it looks like something is wrong as there is no steam.
At 00:55 I see no steam and no smoke but clean burning. At 15 seconds no one yet opened the nozel.
She should have dropped to her knees below the heat and smoke. Trained FFs don't stand in the fire and smoke. Her mask melted because she is not following training. Do that inside the building and its no ears or worse.
Panicking is a liability on the fire scene. She should stay on the ground and pull hose.
The video doesn't show how things turn from bad to worse. Most house fires will behave that way. It shows poorly trained fire departments jeapordizing lives - no common sense.
I know most people will disagree, but I think that was better training. It showed how quickly things can go from bad to worst. It reminds me of a fire on my street a couple years ago, it was a basement fire, and it was only about 15 seconds after the family got out, where you heard a large boom and flames started shooting out the basement and first floor windows
its easy to watch but to do is another story. i am a ff and love my job and when peeps talk smack about it and dont even know what they are talking about makes me angry to say the least.
First of all: the one who used the gas should be fired. Second: the fact that no accountability was used to know exactly where all the firefighters were in the house shows that this department has a long way to go in safety procedures. Thirdly, if Anna got out and her partner was not immediately there, why the heck did she think that removing the hoseline would do any good. She should have tried to figure out WHY her partner wasn't there. Waiting there accomplished nothing.
no he didnt sey "we assumed" (accountability) nice to have some one doing that huh? sorry Anna but did you expect to pull the line out and have afew peeps clinging to it,we all make a few mistakes but lets no verbal it. *non-veragatory comment
Complete carelessness on everybody's part. Obviously VERY POOR pre-planning and NO ACCOUNTABILITY. Have you ever heard of NFPA 1403? Next time try following it. You're LUCKY nobody was killed! Career or volunteer, that was completely unacceptable! Btw demonic...true union/career FF's don't & shouldn't work as "vollies". I'm not bashing "vollies" but moonlighting as a "vollie" is not being a true union brother/sister.
Ted -- You should direct your comment regarding 1403 to the fire department. The department is combination and the officer who conducted the drill was a career person. I'm just sharing an incident that could have been deadly, so that won't make the same mistake. Lou
cool video! she did a good thing, but we are going throu a FF1 training class right now, and after being at the class, i think she should have left the hose line in there, its the life line, it leads to the way out, if her team was in there she should have left it for them to fiend their way out, i am not saying this to slam anyone, i am just making a future comment,
Listen to the narration again -- she was part of a 3 person hose team standing by with a secondary safety line. She became confused when her SCBA facepiece melted and she could no longer see. FilmLou
Was there a safety walk through? What was she thinking standing there at the window? Was she unaware everyone was out? Did everyone leave her? Could you please explain some of this? It would be nice to have a follow up to your commentary.
That should never happen on a training fire..... EVER! Where do you start? The apparent freelancing? All of the open trusses with multiple individuals upstairs during ignition? using accelerants? No buddy system? Only one means of egress if the stairs were comprimised?
Thank God noone was hurt. I'm a funeral director, and one of my classmates from the mortuary college has been a funeral director/firefighter in Virginia for years.
Black Fires are very bad.......
WhatTheHell09 2 days ago
NEVER PULL HOSELINE OUT OF STRUCTURE WHEN PEOPLE ARE INSIDE. NEVER.
kthejung 1 week ago
Really enjoyed that video.
coderedfiresafety100 2 weeks ago
The hoseteam retreated down the main stairwell to SideA
FilmLou 3 weeks ago
So what was the outcome? Was there a crew inside? Did they escape through this exit or another?
BCFSXCYYJ2010 1 month ago
Wow! Where was the personel accountability of all the firefighters prior to ingiting the pallets Do you use tags/Id's to track who is in the building? While pallets are often used to start fires in trainining... what jackass used gas?
cbarsonfire 3 months ago
....Well I assume the other crew members made it out. I do think a a single line may not have extinguished it but it would have darkened it down significantly. Also you witnessed a "Rollover" or and uncontained "Backdraft" where the liberated gasses were too rich to burn and as air rushed in either throught the open window of up the stairswell the mixture became lean enough to ignite.
mrrfrr 4 months ago
@YorkRegionFireRescue So true!
FilmLou 4 months ago
@pool741 I would of put the fire out.
nuclearthreat545 4 months ago
Excellent vid. God Bless
SnkyCyanTurtle 5 months ago
thanks for filming these. I date a fireman and it is good for me to learn what he does. Makes me appericate him and all the other fire fighters more. And darn but you get all the fun. As a fellow photographer, this does look fun to film.
maireadaniar 5 months ago
@maireadaniar You're welcome
FilmLou 4 months ago
Was she trying to save the hose or was she thinking that there were others in there and trying to guide them out?
GhostBusterTrace 6 months ago
@GhostBusterTrace She was trying to guide them out. But best practice was for her to leave the hose alone, so trapped firefighters could follow the line out to the window. She had good intentions, though.
FilmLou 4 months ago
thats what we do here in my town when we got a mayday call from a firefighter inside. grab all the needed shit and if it gets lost, we can replace it, just grab the downed firefighters and get the eff out.
UNIDEVER 6 months ago
this video was a great teaching lession . what a brave firefighter . people like that have such bravory and brotherhood and that stands there in a thermal bath ready to be burned and willing to have your back is what i strive for in the fire service and knowing that your safe. I love my fellow Brothers and Sister of my fire district And others That Take The Time And Train to be safe and not to let anythin happen to one another. Hats Come Off From Me To you. Be Safe And please post more
yakk100 6 months ago
I take my hat off and salute the bravery of all fire fighters everywhere
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worktosser 6 months ago
We can all complain and criticize all we like but the truth of it is this was a training excersise and you can bet on one thing, right or wrong Anna LEARNED A LOT from this. She is a gutsy lady and that was one hell of a lesson for her AND the fire ground command there.
bribriboytoy 7 months ago
Rating have been disabled ....but i liked this
MIKCURIE 9 months ago
@EvanQuinn07 I bet the grandma could whoop your ass and run laps around you.
GUMMYBEAYUH 10 months ago
dam.. thats a bad day with all that hoop la.
stormspotter67 10 months ago
Grandmother Anna...You can come fight fire with the boys and girls at E.M.Holt Station 9 any time. Gods Speed!!
LTCARROLL1 11 months ago 3
Even after this her gear still looks better then the shit I'm wearing at fire school..
TheBammable 11 months ago
This was a scary video, but fire is much more dangerous than it looks because of the gasses, the heat, the dark, the smoke, etc. Don't mess with fire.
WoundedEgo 11 months ago
hey i was wondering, how much action do firefighters get? such as city/suburbs
arc175 1 year ago
Not only a "no no" its illgeal
FightsFire911 1 year ago
or youd be better off making an aerial attack with a TL, truck or quint flowing a main line down on the fire but my FD we do things different we do always go from the OUTSIDE in we always finish exterior attacks before we lay down supply lines and 6ins for interiors or master streams
JKSK8ERLIVE 1 year ago
WHAT the hell they did not even take out the Florecant bulbs in the lights befor they lit it!!!!!!!! They have murcury in them
rate this
mainelyelectric 1 year ago
@mainelyelectric I rate you as grade 3 spelling
flahr1 1 year ago
How about some accountability?The woman almost died there,cause woops,we forgot she was in there alone?Thats bushleague,no one should ever be in a structure fire alone,and when and if the signal to evacuate is given,there should be a personnel count,to make sure you have everyone you went in with.That clearly didnt happen.
No one smelled the gasoline in the beginning?
Why only 100GPM to attack?
What happens when its a real fire at 3 in the morning, and you haven't had all day to plan?
raisincain15 1 year ago
@raisincain15 It was a training fire. You are an idiot for posting such a ridiculous and useless comment. They are not going to be perfect. If you see the word "Training" it is pretty safe to say that it involves many probies who are very green and have alot of learning to do. If you are a true firefighter, you would give them some credit for making it out of that mess. Is that how you coach probies at your firehouse or are you even a firefighter? Lighten up, dude. Who pissed in your Wheaties?
nsrailfann4life91 1 year ago
woww it was a tough woman..to not give up
goodbyelonglive44 1 year ago
trying not to Monday morning quarterback here, but you should never pull a hoseline out of the house, especially if you think there are crew inside who may be trying to use it to escape.
What if the interior attack crew became disoriented and let go of the hoseline and were desperately groping around trying to find it, only to come up empty because someone had pulled it from the outside.
DJTHEMAC 1 year ago 7
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HELL YEAH ANNA
tom79g 1 year ago
HELL YEAH ANNA
tom79g 1 year ago
fuck that asshole that put gas on the fire
keegan47401 1 year ago
granny almost died in a training. FUCK THAT!
StormRisingOriginal 1 year ago
Is that a deuce and a half?
sawebber88 1 year ago
@sawebber88 It looks like an 1-3/4" to me.
psteele35 1 year ago
@psteele35 I think I meant to post that on a different video. I have never seen this one before.
sawebber88 1 year ago
@psteele35 It's an inch and 3/4 line
FilmLou 8 months ago
BSI and scene safety
tapemasteriscool 1 year ago
Why in Gods name would you do a live fire training exercise, in a residential street full of wooden houses..............Hello does that just seem like a pure dumb ass idea, if this is what you guys class as a safe training exercise, then god knows what descisions you guys make at a real incident.
TheDonburchiano 1 year ago
wackers
firemedic277 1 year ago
@firemedic277 EXACTLY
Footballarm102 1 year ago
I remember a live training fire I went to back in say.... 91. They used diesel in barrels with some straw to start the fire. Or should I say, smoke up the house. We lit that fire three different times and later burned the structure to the ground. I also remember going into that structure and experiencing the only flash over I saw in my brief 4 year carrier. I later developed asthma and had to quit. Now, a Licensed Paramedic on the box.
raykmond 1 year ago
so what happened to the other firefighters inside?
kodythepimp01 1 year ago 3
@kodythepimp01 -- the firefighters inside escaped down the main stairwell. I was shooting on the "C" side of the structure.
FilmLou 10 months ago
holy shit..
stormspotter67 1 year ago
@chiefhub how are you suppose to get hands on training if you cant get a "real scenerio" i think the more controlled burns any firefighter does the more confidence and knowledge the firefighter gains.
grlcursed12 1 year ago
@grlcursed12 Ha true, however that was not a controlled burn, by any means.
TheDonburchiano 1 year ago
@TheDonburchiano haha it was suppose to be a "controlled" burn but due to inadequate preparation it turned to a real structure fire. the very least hopefully someone including the instructors walked away from this video and learned something
grlcursed12 1 year ago
looks like this could have spread rapidly due to a wind driven fire
joshloving123 1 year ago
Looks like from the way the smoke is traveling this could have been a wind driven fire as well
joshloving123 1 year ago
Nice video. Well narrated.
DiamondEyeProduction 1 year ago
why would you bring a line thru the second floor window on a a ladder?
ff621 1 year ago
@ff621 How else do get a line onto the 2nd floor when the main stairwell has collapsed?
FilmLou 1 year ago 61
@FilmLou if the second floor collapsed then they got no business going in there, simple as that. Hit from outside then.
ff621 1 year ago
@ff621 No one said anything about stairs collapsing. These guys did just about everything wrong. Bang up job
chubbbhead 1 year ago
@chubbbhead that's what I thought.
ff621 1 year ago
@ff621 Protection line. Means of egress?
Jake3845 1 year ago
@ff621 You haven't ever fought a fire have you?
AdamIowa89 1 year ago
@AdamIowa89 As a matter of fact I have fought quite a few.
ff621 1 year ago
@AdamIowa89 Then why would you question bringing a line through a window on the second floor by way of ladder?
AdamIowa89 1 year ago
@ff621 uuuhhh saftey/backup line for the training fire?
resqjason2 1 year ago
@ff621 uuuhhh saftey/backup line for the training fire?
resqjason2 1 year ago
@ff621 Maybe the main access to the 2nd floor is destroyed, or possibly fully involved
Camaroson2008 1 year ago
@ff621 ...... it is better to have the hose where u r then not near u at all ... that's why u bring the hose up the ladder and then inside the house on the 2nd floor where the fire is .
trashman941 1 year ago
@ff621 The line is extremely heavy and unwieldy, so it's not feasible to drag it through room after room after room and then up the stairs.
Spiderboydk 10 months ago
haha knob head
nojustno1 1 year ago
bravery is reworded with life
rcatstott 1 year ago
@rcatstott And can also be rewarded with death. Its a double edged sword.
TheDonburchiano 1 year ago
its learned
ben13288 1 year ago
Yeah, he just needs to learn a little more...
zapper8999 1 year ago
thanks for this post i learnt allot
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Sammoo11 2 years ago
Gonna put my 2 cents in here. We all need to respect each other as a brother or sister who is willing to g where few dare. Whether it be a full time job, or as a volunteer. Sully I'll state it here that even as a volunteer myself. I have taken the requirements that my state has laid down, and more. I consider you a brother, and we all need to remember why we do this job. If we didn't no one else would.
yearsmith 2 years ago
than god every one made it out there a live .keep safe brothers and sisters
Metalfireman62 2 years ago 5
i dont believe at 1:50 that he was retrieving the line...looks like he was feeding it through the window for the inside crew
WEFC43 2 years ago
@WEFC43 "he" was a she, and if you listen to the narritive it says she was "fishing the line out" trying to lead the two inside to safety. To me, it looks like she was pulling on that line.
bapabob 2 years ago
just remember a fire hose can be replaced...a firefighters life cant be...When endoubt leave the tools and get out
evfdunit50 2 years ago 68
@evfdunit50 Though it is true that the hose can be replaced, when inside of a structure fire, training or not, you never leave the hose. It is your way out. The hose leads to the exit. In most cases you cannot see very well if at all when you are inside of a burning structure, so again, firefighters follow the hose to be sure they make it out. Bump bump to the pump.
MrsFirefighter22 7 months ago
@evfdunit50 Though it is true that the hose can be replaced, when inside of a structure fire, training or not, you never leave the hose. It is your way out. The hose leads to the exit. In most cases you cannot see very well if at all when you are inside of a burning structure, so again, firefighters follow the hose to be sure they make it out. The hose can be left in the building but a firefighter shoulder wonder away from it until out safely. Bump bump to the pump.
MrsFirefighter22 7 months ago
and do u know why u clean your gear
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NPHCCreations 2 years ago
Atleast their helmets don't look like rookie helmets anymore! Glad everyone was ok!
JSK706 2 years ago
hope nobody was still in that structure...if someone started pulling my escape route out I would be fuckin pissed
itsliamLOL 2 years ago 5
There is no reason to get mad and call people stupid or dipshit. Come on guys we gotta suck it up. If they don't do it there is no way to make them understand. All we can do is keep on doing what we do. We do it for the love and respect we feel for them not what they feel for us. Besides we are tough and if they want to bitch and cry about it we can take it.
fireman66767 2 years ago 13
wow scary
crerarkid 2 years ago
we all do the same job no matter if it's a paid dept or volunteer dept and these firefighters were not using our tax dollars to make a drama movie they used it do a training and to show other firefighters how trainings can go wrong.. things are going to go wrong at training and on fire calls thats why we all stick together and we dont leave anyone behind we all go home together at the end of the day.
Firefighter4438 2 years ago 8
courage by pulling out the hose line? firefighters use the cuplinks to get to safety...
raginghate 2 years ago 2
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Your tax dollars at work... Idiots! Creating their own drama at our expense....
tomtom940 2 years ago
Go do the training. Then run your fat face.
jjohnsoc 2 years ago
well dipshit, Its called training. You need to train to know what the fuck your doing in a fire. In my town its a weekly thing to purposely start a controlled burn and put it out. different scenarios each time.
pickford7812 2 years ago
to bad when we do a controll burn they give the fire dept the house for a tax write off and with out training we wouldnt be able to perfect are jobs say ur house catches fire and we have no trainig what would we do we wouldnt kno thats why we train so we no what to do
sledneckzl600 2 years ago
im on a vol dedt that has paid members too we all the same we train together and ride together if we kall mutal aid it dosent matter who comes and if things go south we all go thought it together paid or volly were all a team
21wfireman 2 years ago 2
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If you play with fire, your gonna get burnt.
PassThaRizla 2 years ago
this people i hav my full respects
kenneth247 2 years ago 2
thanks =D
travis404 2 years ago
Either way all firefighter face the same dangers and are all equal. we're all brothers and sisters in the fire service we all have eachothers backs no matter what.
travis404 2 years ago
I agree totally Travis.
holycoke5000 2 years ago
Im sure the paid city crews have a helluva lot more xp than the suburban/country vollys maybe thats the point sully is trying to make my dad was a fireman in the 70s paid in a city i remember him doing training all the time both classroom and the very cool training fires which as a kid i thought were the coolest thing on earth cause i could come watch he told me once respect the fire I havent forgotten it
Sodiumreactor 2 years ago
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I've seen paid departments in action. I'm NOT impressed.
blaster40 2 years ago
You've SEEN em ??! Why don't you try working for one and then run your mouth.
Sully1219x 2 years ago 4
us voluneteer firefighters go thrue the exact same trainin as full time firefighters, we are no different, and my hats off to that woman, screw you ireland my volunteer station is more organzied then any other station round here so shove taht "stick to grass and car fires" up your a**
MarineMP19 2 years ago 2
you need to research your facts and look outside of your state which probably has 1-2 decent size cities .. raleigh and charlotte if you're from north, and just charleston if you're from south. do some research on fire depts. from massachusetts. almost 1000 people per sq. mi. .. i think we know fires. my dept. pretty much started RIT's too so even though you have 'as much training as me and my officers or you train even more rawr!' IF ..you have any questions, i'll be glad to answer them.
Sully1219x 2 years ago
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are you just fucking retarted or a Jr?
Arcangel917 2 years ago
All I have to do is look at the way you spelled 'retarded' to know you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to probably just about anything ..
Sully1219x 2 years ago 2
elk, you said 'many volunteers' go through the same training. maybe where you're from..not where i am. and 'carolinafireman' .. the NFPA does NOT regulate training or academy criteria on a department to department basis, they have a minimum standard which qualifies you as a 'firefighter' .. that's typically what volley's get. Then you have full time depts. (like mine) that do their own academy with training varying significantly. # of runs/working fires=BIG DIFFERENCE..not just the paycheck.
Sully1219x 2 years ago
my post pertained to you elktracker
Sully1219x 2 years ago
ireland21po...join a fire department(volunteer) and see how things really go...we do everything that a paid fire department does. Not to mention the cities like mine where we dont have a paid fire dept. and I love being a violunteer firefighter...
soadisawesome24 2 years ago
awesome video
twinboysfire52 2 years ago
you need to check out the louden county va web sight and see how thoes paid fire fighters almost died
emt631 2 years ago
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Vollies die all the time pretending they are real fier fighters. Stick to car fires and leave the structure fires to the paid professionals
Ireland21po 2 years ago
my husband and I are both volunteer fire fighters, and my husband has every qualification that you have to fight fires. The problem is that volunteer fire departments dont get near the revenues that "you Paid" departments have. And so there for are less likely to be trained. But that should be where the paid guys reach out and offer education and safety so that these people dont die...and professional firefighters make mistakes too and die...so dont be close minded
emtchick1174 2 years ago
ok ass hole im a Vollie as you call us but im a professional firefighter so watch your ass cause when you think your the best your ass as grass;
fire does not descrininate between paid and voulenteer .
emt631 2 years ago 2
volunteers make up over 70% of all firefighters. Not to mention that they go through the exact same certification classes as the paid firefighters. Deaths happen to both paid and volunteers, and almost all of them are preventable. Don't be such an idiot.
elktracker1 2 years ago
other than the 70% fact, you have no clue what you're talking about. no volunteers go through the full time 4 month academy my city put us through .. and most full time, large departments put their recruit classes through their own academy's not the state ones. those cities train their recruits according to what we're going to run into on the line, such as high rise training , etc. i'm not trying to take anything away from volleys but once again .. they DO NOT go throught the same training.
Sully1219x 2 years ago
Sully, apparently it is you that has no clue. Many volunteers go through the exact same academy as the paid guys. My department is one of them. Our paid staff and volunteers attend the exact same academy and are required to perform the same number of training hours after the acadamy as our paid crews.
If DPSST doesn't differentiate between volunteers and paid firefighters, why should you?........by the way, you shouldn't.
elktracker1 2 years ago
Don't know where you get your info but Volunteers are required to go through the same training as Paid guys. Its called an NFPA Standard, Look it up. If you had any clue you would also realize that the only difference between volunteers & paid guys is a paycheck. There are many VFD's that train just as hard if not harder than many paid departments just to prove people like you wrong. By the way I have just as many certs as the city guys that volunteer at my dept. Research your facts.
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VoltHeadStrong 2 years ago
hello!
what is the name of the first music ?
firefighter forever!
i'm a portuguese brother ;)
big hugs for all firefighters in the world
73bruno73 2 years ago
In my opinion it was the fault of the firefighters. I to never saw any water or steam at the 15 second mark. If they are doing the training they need to have the line charged and air out of it and ready to go, especially during a training. Thankfully noone was hurt and it was only a training so there were plenty of people to keep the out of control fire contained to only the one structure.
CertifyThis 2 years ago
i dont wish to look like a tit but why do they use real houses in america and not the special buildings we have over here it seems like wast and very dangeres as we have all just seen?
dean11081988 2 years ago
well some people decide to have there house torn down and decide to give it to the FD because always going to the training center gets easy theres nothing to get in your way No wires falling wood or anything like it would be on a real fire scene ITS THE BEST WAY TO GET REAL LIVE STRUCTURE FIRE TRAINING BUT WE STILL DO GO TO THE TRAINING CENTERS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT
psp310 2 years ago
so do the FD pay for the house or is it just given by the owner .but thanks for clueing me in any way thanks
dean11081988 2 years ago
Most of the time the owner gives it away thinking that there helping there local FD but once in a blue moon there will be a very small fee
psp310 2 years ago
are you a fire man then or was you i tryed to become a retanedfire man a few years ago but lived a bit too far away for the role call so didnt get in i compleated the training but still never mind
dean11081988 2 years ago
im a firefighter in my town and in 2011 taking the FDNY test
psp310 2 years ago
why in 2011 does it take that long to do the course or are you too young at the moment i hope you do make it i have nothing but respect for peaple that do jobs like this also police and paramedics too we can all complain about the cops but i would wont them to come to my house if i needed them even though they often come too late .but the things young dick heads do to FF is just unreal like throwing stones at them and cutting the hoses id soak the little shits but you cant can you
dean11081988 2 years ago
I have no clue what you mean by throwing stones and cutting the lines......as for the FDNY that's when the next entrance exam is its every 3 - 4 years
psp310 2 years ago
whot i mean by throwing stones is over here when the tenders turn up to put the fires out mostly burning cars and old houses the thugs on the estate cut the lines and throw bricks at the engine and the fire men thats all i ment
dean11081988 2 years ago
That never happened where did you here this
psp310 2 years ago
its whot happens over here thats whot im saying i just thought it might happen over there too but obviasly not thats all im not saying iv seen it over there but i have seen it over here alot of the time when cars are on fire the thugs dont wont it putting out cos the cops might get some thing of it that takes them to the thief no offence to you sorry
dean11081988 2 years ago
your wrong that has never happened over here
psp310 2 years ago
now this is getting a bit much i never said it did happen over there but it looks like your after a fight so keep me out of it sorry i upset you but theres no reason to go of on one pall see you soon when you calm down
dean11081988 2 years ago
your saying random shit thats not even trough and makes us look bad the worst part your just making shit up
psp310 2 years ago
look i sad i didnt wont to fight but hear goes you bloody idiot yes its true look it up i didnt say it was over in america i just wonderd if it was like that over there im not trying to make you look bad you did that all by your self dont have a go at me for your downfalls
dean11081988 2 years ago
I don't think there was any reason to call psp310 an idiot. In the US, we don't have widespread vandalism of fire hoses in the middle of putting out fires. That is a riot situation and if it is a problem where you live, the police should be responding with the fire dept every time there is a fire to catch the little shits who are causing the problems. I mean, catch them in the act and you'll have evidence that they committed the original crime, arson and interference with firefighting ops.
Odonataman 2 years ago
yes your right and i will take it back but he had no reason to call me a lier too i didnt wont to fall out with any one that is not my intention at all and you are right the police should help but they dont thats to much like work for them the tenders do have camras on them but most eather dont work or they never get a clear image of the face and nothing can be done but im sorry if i upset you and probably wont talk to psp310 again so good bye thanks
dean11081988 2 years ago
i apolagise psp310 but dont call me a lier
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FireRescueTraining 2 years ago
We do have special buildings in america that do excellent at showing the effects of a structure fire but when u have a condemened home or a home that is abandoned y not utilize it and burn it as a training for the firefighters, nothing is better than live fire exercise
CertifyThis 2 years ago
I don't think the gas as compared to kerosene had anything to do with the sequence of events.
The shot at 15 seconds shows a normal fire develpment.
I have seen a number of house fires exstinguised with a single line in the early stages. They were sitting on the fire when it started.
By the way, nice video. Few capture how scary it can be in a burning building.
The guys bailing down the stairs show how frightening it is for the training firefighters.
returnthesoapbox 2 years ago
At the 15 seconds shot I don't see any water. No steam either. Did the line ever really open up?
What I see at the 15 second mark is doable. Hit the ceiling with an open stream and then the fire.
returnthesoapbox 2 years ago
I think that was a shot from the inside camera that monitored the progress of the fire. That was these 15 seconds after igniting the fire, if I'm not mistaken. As of that point, firefighters had not yet entered the room.
Pls correct me if I'm wrong...
All best
EulenthalKruemel 2 years ago
In a training exercise the crews are already geared up and sitting in the room with a charged line.
As soon as the fire shows some spreading on the ceiling and the smoke banks down you hit the ceiling with a broad stream to knock the heat down and then you exstinguish the fire.
With open rafters and going by the video, it looks like something is wrong as there is no steam.
At 00:55 I see no steam and no smoke but clean burning. At 15 seconds no one yet opened the nozel.
returnthesoapbox 2 years ago
She should have dropped to her knees below the heat and smoke. Trained FFs don't stand in the fire and smoke. Her mask melted because she is not following training. Do that inside the building and its no ears or worse.
Panicking is a liability on the fire scene. She should stay on the ground and pull hose.
The video doesn't show how things turn from bad to worse. Most house fires will behave that way. It shows poorly trained fire departments jeapordizing lives - no common sense.
returnthesoapbox 2 years ago
Where was the second safty team with extra lines to go in if the training goes bad?
For any house fire you roll out with multiple crews, RIT team, pumpers, and a ladder truck. If the house is fully envolved even more.
Why would you only have one line and no extra crew at the ready?!
It looks like they though the house would burn the same way a practice burn house of steel and concrete would burn.
A big lesson learned the hard way.
returnthesoapbox 2 years ago
I know most people will disagree, but I think that was better training. It showed how quickly things can go from bad to worst. It reminds me of a fire on my street a couple years ago, it was a basement fire, and it was only about 15 seconds after the family got out, where you heard a large boom and flames started shooting out the basement and first floor windows
mooo483 2 years ago 2
of course it was better training. whoever would disagree with you is an idiot. these firefighters learned an important lesson that day hahaha
iamshpongled 2 years ago 2
For all you people that are "civs" or non ff personel... "Lets see you do it!"
starbladexd 2 years ago
agree
its easy to watch but to do is another story. i am a ff and love my job and when peeps talk smack about it and dont even know what they are talking about makes me angry to say the least.
CertifyThis 2 years ago 2
find out who used gas and kickem in the nuts!!!
1opperattorrigger 2 years ago 17
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cfireguy02 2 years ago
I keep seeing FF's getting close calls when some tard Dbag uses Gasoline wow how bout yer PAR ?
keithmbn 2 years ago
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What a bunch of fuckups.
thedarkallies 2 years ago
wow im speachless. sooo many breaches of sop's here. this is more like the keystone cops meet the 3 stooges and pretend to be firemen.
jlbalr 2 years ago 3
First of all: the one who used the gas should be fired. Second: the fact that no accountability was used to know exactly where all the firefighters were in the house shows that this department has a long way to go in safety procedures. Thirdly, if Anna got out and her partner was not immediately there, why the heck did she think that removing the hoseline would do any good. She should have tried to figure out WHY her partner wasn't there. Waiting there accomplished nothing.
milongaucho 2 years ago 3
no he didnt sey "we assumed" (accountability) nice to have some one doing that huh? sorry Anna but did you expect to pull the line out and have afew peeps clinging to it,we all make a few mistakes but lets no verbal it. *non-veragatory comment
herbiedrumr369 2 years ago
A firefighter rule for volunteer, career, and seasonal: never assume anything under such dire circumstances and always expect the unexpected.
brilliant1990 2 years ago 3
Over in Australia, the rural brigades use the rule "Prepare for the worst, hope for the best" ;)
grahto 2 years ago 8
Same thing here in New York
psp310 2 years ago 6
yep dress up for the worst possible scenario like a fire alarm activation and dress down when appropiate!....allways a sound tactic to live by!
CoxsackieFireman5102 2 years ago
Complete carelessness on everybody's part. Obviously VERY POOR pre-planning and NO ACCOUNTABILITY. Have you ever heard of NFPA 1403? Next time try following it. You're LUCKY nobody was killed! Career or volunteer, that was completely unacceptable! Btw demonic...true union/career FF's don't & shouldn't work as "vollies". I'm not bashing "vollies" but moonlighting as a "vollie" is not being a true union brother/sister.
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billew0481 2 years ago
Ted -- You should direct your comment regarding 1403 to the fire department. The department is combination and the officer who conducted the drill was a career person. I'm just sharing an incident that could have been deadly, so that won't make the same mistake. Lou
FilmLou 2 years ago
cool video! she did a good thing, but we are going throu a FF1 training class right now, and after being at the class, i think she should have left the hose line in there, its the life line, it leads to the way out, if her team was in there she should have left it for them to fiend their way out, i am not saying this to slam anyone, i am just making a future comment,
gannermithral 2 years ago 3
idk
thats the point of the training
always expect the unexpected
and she handled it well
she did her job
my opinion was that it was over exaggerated
FightThe4Strokes 2 years ago
Listen to the narration again -- she was part of a 3 person hose team standing by with a secondary safety line. She became confused when her SCBA facepiece melted and she could no longer see. FilmLou
FilmLou 3 years ago
I agree with "Bullene" Explination Please what was She doing Solo why was she in that Confused state ?
MinMinLight666 3 years ago
Was there a safety walk through? What was she thinking standing there at the window? Was she unaware everyone was out? Did everyone leave her? Could you please explain some of this? It would be nice to have a follow up to your commentary.
Thanks for posting, that is how we all learn.
Please be safe.
bullene 3 years ago
That should never happen on a training fire..... EVER! Where do you start? The apparent freelancing? All of the open trusses with multiple individuals upstairs during ignition? using accelerants? No buddy system? Only one means of egress if the stairs were comprimised?
bullene 3 years ago
Not all firefighters get a higher degree of education or fully grasp the importance of training, sadly.
inkofdeath230 3 years ago
Thank God noone was hurt. I'm a funeral director, and one of my classmates from the mortuary college has been a funeral director/firefighter in Virginia for years.
1Indianadude 3 years ago
The incident took place in Indiana, south of Indianapolis.
FilmLou 3 years ago