Ireland win 2008 International Rules Series

[djR1chard]

its not ufc obviously thats why there was no tour,, all the highlights of leighton glynn nutmegin the aussies cant be found coz they took it down!such bad losers the aussies ya think the ashes is worth something lol ireland beat england in the cricket world cup.. a game 1 percent of the country plays even less

[clayton1975mg]

I like this sport. It´s so complex. When I get movie about its.

[fgwakely]

fair play 2 both teams,hope 2 see the aussies in ireland next year!

[tullyrowan]

bapfontein has a fascination with gaelic football and International rules. Maybe we should take him to an international rues game between Ireland and Scotland so he can see how his Scottish Protestant cousins play Bog Ball!!! lol

[bapfontein]

Scottish people do not play Bogball aka Paddyball. They play shinty which is also a form of stick fighting, and is just as popular as stickfighting on the world stage. In fact I neve knew it existed to just recently. As for taking me to a BOGBALL (International rules) match between SCOTLAND and IRELAND , their the slight problem that Scotland does not have any equvilent of PADDYBALL.

[tullyrowan]

Scotland shinty team play the irish hurling team every year in the international rules.

[tullyrowan]

The sport was derived from the same root as the Irish game of hurling, and is similar to bandy but has developed different rules and features. The old form of hurling played in the northern half of Ireland resembled shinty more closely than the standardised form of hurling of today. Like shinty it was commonly known as camánacht and was traditionally played in winter.

[saxamofone]

hey bapfontein whats it like to be arse fucked by the english for 600 years? get off the ineternet and get back to your buckfast you spineless little piss stained scotch tramp

[bapfontein]

sad person , what has got used all so worked up?, Is it the fact that that you do not want people on the net to find out your beloved GAA , has a sinister dark side to it, with it involement in violent Irish Nationalisim and it close link to the corrupt and ,,sex abuse tainted Catholic Church. What other group in the world is embroiled in politics and religion/?. None whatsoever , only the GAA. The GAA contrived games are so god damm awful that no one else on the planet plays them.

[saxamofone]

i know youre just a sad, obsessed bitter twat fishing for reaction but fuck it i'll take the bait. how exactly is the gaa embroiled in politics & religion? it is an indigeneous sport which is part of irish culure, it has fuck all connection to priests molesting kids you cretin

[bapfontein]

You defend the GAA with all the might you can muster, yet you pretend , you are unaware of it close links to the Catholic Church , and it involement in, overt and covert support for the IRA and other violent Irish Nationalist groups.. Indegenous Catholic contrived sport"s , that I have never denied. At lest we are getting some where now. But please why do you pretend the GAA has no links to the Catholic Church, and has supported the IRA in it quest for Irish unity.

[jkino78]

I'm not a big fan of the church but always played gaelic as a kid. The English tried to force their culture on us outlawing our language, religion and sports. The laws were known as the penal laws. So of course when you have a common enemy you create the strangest of bedmates. It's not fair to slash the sport itself though. The games are much older than the GAA itself. The involvement of the church in everything from sports to politics is pretty much a thing of the past thank god.

[bapfontein]

jinko . The involvement of the Catholic Church is the GAA is a thing of the past , are you serious?. A GAA club opened a new Gaelic pitch in the village near to where I stay. On the day of the offical opening , their were no less than three Catholic priest as members of the official opening party on the platform. A open air Mass was held and the pitch was officaly declared open after the Mass and blessing of the pitch. Name me one other sport in the world that carrys out religious rituals.

[jkino78]

Well I think that depends more on the community than the GAA. Where I'm from it's not the case.

One other sport? NZ have the HAKA before every game. Again, there it depends on the country not the sports body.

I just don't think it's right to blame it on the association itself.

We Irish have tended in the past to allow the church to keep our minds narrow, it ran deeper than sports in my opinion. It was a part of our culture

[bapfontein]

jkino. Are you honestly serious , that your tring to draw a paralell between the NZ, Haka and the GAA links to the Catholic Church and Nationalist/ Republican politics. Its not right to blame the association itself , then are you saying the Catholc Church forces itself upon the GAA , and Nationalist / Republicans did likewise. The plain and simple fact is that the GAA was set up first and foremost to protect Catholic Irish Culture, and support Irish Nationalisim, threfore its itself p1

[bapfontein]

p2. was proud for over a century of these links and still are . The GAA president , still to this day , on a All Ireland Final day, the GAA president along with a high ranking member of the Catholic Church is prior to the start of the match , is interduced to the supporters. If that is not to show and endorse the link between the Catholic Church and GAA , then what is?. Its only recently that the GAA stopped the band playing Faith of Our Father , at all major GAA events.

[jkino78]

The church does represent alot of Irish people, most of them are catholics. I distance myself personally, but that's a personal choice I make. The monarchy is present at Rugby games, I think historically they have more to answer for around the world than any church. Do you think they shouldn't be present at twickenham?

The french president was there to present the world cup i 2007, is the IRB involved with politics also?

Look outside your village

[bapfontein]

jkino. We are not debating the Catholic Church and the Catholic people at large , we are asking why a sporting body has so much to do with religion and politics as regards the GAA. As for a president or leader of a country attending a sporting event , no one has any problem with that if protocol prefers they be present.

[jkino78]

it's a sporting body, run by communities played by amateurs. So if the majority of those people are catholics then it's only normal that they would feel as represented by a high ranking member of the church. Maybe more so than the Welsh feel represented by the Prince of Wales.

It reflects the Irish communities, in good and bad. We're still largely catholic and still largely nationalist. Should we apologise for that? I don't think so

[bapfontein]

jkino You first started of by pretending to be the non standard Bogtrotter, now you mask is slowy dropping and underneath is the semi educated Bogtrotter. Decribing the ordinary Bogtrotter as inbread , and it is those who still cling to the Bishops and Priest frock tails. Nonsense your all the same , cannot take it when someone points out the clear links between the GAA , Catholic Church and Nationalist/ Republican politics. Every last one of you support these links , thats beyond doubt.

[jkino78]

semi-educated bogtrotter? You're all the same? You're clearly very narrow minded and as I pointed out before hate driven.

I am not a practicing catholic, but that's a spiritual choice on my part. If you look at the situation objectivly then the logic in my argument is clear. You're a little clouded by your prejudice.

When SA won the world cup Bishop Tutu was there, does it point to ties or representation?

[bapfontein]

jkino78 .Are you saying that the Church the mighty miget the queer boy TUTU belonged to is directly linked to the SARFU.? Does his church hold Religious services for all Rugby Union clubs and teams in S. AFRICA. ?. Can a Rugby Club in S. Africa only declare a new Clubroom , Ground etc officialy open after a religious service or blessing by the mighty miget or another high ranking member of his Church. ?. Is the mighty miget a hounary member , president or any other priest of his p1

[jkino78]

You're way off, clubroom's can be declared open, pitches and community halls also without any church involvment if the community so chooses. I know TUTU has no involvment, I pointed out his presence to underline that fact.

[bapfontein]

jki. Now you taking utter shite, and really your Bogtrotter side is showing up very badly. Their are at least 12 PADDYBALL Gaelic clubs in a 7 miles radius of were I stay , and over the past number of years they have all opened new Gaelic pitches etc , and not one was officialy opeened with religious service and Catholic Church blessing. I would not like it to be my job to have to go into a meeting in any GAA club and say , Look here bohys , their be no more oul Catholic services. lol.

[jkino78]

Is bogtrotter refering to Irish in general? I'm Irish and very proud to be Irish. I resent the childish name calling but that says more about you than me. 12 Gaelic clubs in 7 miles? That's first left afte the Africaans is it? And as you're clearly anti GAA I'm presuming you didn't attend any of the openings, so your information is doubtful to say the least. you seem to be a little slow, so although I've already pointed this out, let's try again, NOT GAA it DEPENDS ON THE COMMUNITY, clear?

[bapfontein]

jkino. I do not have to attend any GAA offical opening of any local GAA club to know what took placeduring the opening ceramony. Their are as I have stated 12 GAA clubs within a seven mile radius of were I stay , and three of those are only a few miles apart . I do not know about were you come from but the local newspapers around here carry all that sort of nonsennse , and two give most of their sport coverage over to everthing GAA. The papers also have pictures and reports.lol.

[jkino78]

I've been coherent with everything I've said and happy to stand by it. I think you're bitter over something and raher than being objective as an intelligent peson would be, you refer to name calling and generalising as most ignorants do. You're as bad as the extremists you criticise and the existance of people like you is what keeps that side of things going, well done ;)

[bapfontein]

jkino78 . Lets me be very clear here , I have no problen what soever with the links betwen the GAA and the Catholic Church, after all the historty of the GAA is littered with the facts. I have no problem with the GAA declared political statement , that it in full support of a United Ireland and does not recognise the state of N. ireland. These are not things you should be ashamed of and according to your post you are not, but please dont get all upset , when someone points these facts out p1

[jkino78]

that you have no problem with it is the opposite to what you've communicated in the majority of your comments.

As for getting upset, I'm a father of 2 with house and car payments, upset is something I save for more relevant things in my life.

Judging by the name calling you're the one with your knickers in a twist

[bapfontein]

p2. to you, and which you know are true. Its was not me who decided that the GAA should forge links to the Catholic Church , and support Irish Nationalist/ Republican politics. On the one hand you are proud of these links as are the vast majority of GAA members and supporters, but hell is let loose when someone outside the GAA mentions or brings these facts to the fore , you want to hang them, as if they were telling the family secrets . It no secret.

[jkino78]

again an opinion you've formed but it's really not the case. You're clearly from the north, maybe up there the clubs are run differently. I'm from Westmeah, to be honest, the church and the situation in the north aren't really issues. I think religion in general is a negative thing, it leads to judging generalising. But if a society wants to be represented by it's church then you have to respect that, not make it into some sort of conspiracy theory. the truth is at grass roots level...

[bapfontein]

jkino78.. Your from Weastmeath , and by your post I take it you are in our around the thirty mark. You probally were only a child when the troubles were at their peak in the North, and in Westmeath you would have been I suppose not interested in what was going on. GAA clubs in the north durning the troubles were hotbeds of Republican politics. As I pointed out before , the majority of GAA clubs were nothing more than drinking dens and meeting places for various strands of Nationalist p1

[bapfontein]

and Republican politcs. GAA clubrooms were openly used for Sinn Fein , Hunger Strike, Republican prisoner groups, Republican fund raiseing social night were the bands were called RA bands provided the entertaiment, Prisoner rellease homecomeing parties were held. , the list goes on as to the link between the GAA and Nationalist/ Republicans events etc held in GAA clubrooms. The Protestant community quickly became aware of this , and the GAA quckly were dubbed as The IRA AT PLAY. p2

[jkino78]

I'm aware of that, my father is from Enniskillen. As with all stories there are 2. The point is again, it's not something to do with the GAA as an association, it's down to the fact that the clubs are run by the communities they exist in, it's been my point since the start of the conversation.

[bapfontein]

jkino78 . I love this throw away liberal line of thought you keep useing, that these facts are nothing to do with the GAA but to do with the communities they live in. That does not wash with me , as Football, Rugby , Basketball clubs have never had such problems , even in the many cases were the club was compleatly Catholic or Protestant and their are many in our area , were the clubs are situated in the heart of a particular community.

[jkino78]

well Nationalist are hardly going to tie themselves to an American or English sport are they? That's a no brainer. If you're a nationalist, and so much a fanatic that you are willing to kill for it, you're probably going to try and learn Gaelic, play only irish sports etc. Of course basketball, rugby etc have nothing to do with that. Irrelevant

[bapfontein]

jkino. You are spot on , yes why would a young true blooded Irish man or woman play a forign sport , when they could join the GAA , get lessons in the history, learn Gaelic Irish, be surrounded with everthing irish , Club name etc, be indoctornated into what the bad British did a hundred years ago or more , and maybe be spotted as a decent recruit into the IRA in the bargin. When you put it like that it sounds like one of those schools in Paxistan were the kids are indoctornated into Islam.

[jkino78]

we don't needto go back 100yrs. How are those orange marches in catholic communities going? Bloody Sunday in 72 recruited more people for the IRA than any GAA club. Things are improving let's rise above it. Your ranting about the big bad GAA has a bit of the fanatic element to it also, stop acting like the people you criticise and things may change.

[jkino78]

Also why are there fanatics in the Arab world? Would it be because a foreign power stuck their noses in? I think maybe so. It's the same story the world over, the basques in Spain, the PLO in Israel. People get pissed when you invade their country, it's not a new concept.

I'm pretty sure you agree right? Or are you a rule brittania guy?

[bapfontein]

jkino78. Ireland sold any right it had away to be a free forign state , that could make it own decisions on everthing that effect the Irish people when they were conned by the lure of greed to sell their countrys future into a new forthcomeing European superstate. Also terror cannot ever be justfied under any circumstances , and you are now showing once again your true self by peddling the downtrodden card equals he right to revert to terrorisim.

[jkino78]

I didn't justify terror, don't put words in my mouth. You were implying that the GAA recruited for the IRA, I would say that the actions of the English did more for the recruitment and I stand by that. On the other point, Jeremy Cronin said in an interview

"I was recruited into anti-apartheid political activism in the late 1960s. ... but it was typically a noisy soccer stadium, or church hall rally"..it's not nonsence it's historical fact

[bapfontein]

jkino78. You would belive anthing the Jew Jeremy Cronin woul claim . He was just like many of the other well heeled white ANC members , like Cohen, Williamson, De Knock , De Villers , Dr Ruth Floyd , they were all state agents who at one time or another infiltrated the ANC from the cannon fodder at the bottom to within the ranks alongside , Joe Slovo, Berstein, Ronnie Krassils , David Goldberg and many more white S. AFRICAN jews who were also Mossad and Boss plants.

[bapfontein]

jkino , There is not one single shread of evidence to support the theroy that Steve Biko was murdred in John Voster Square police head quarters. Just because you seen it in a movie does not mean it was all true. Biko died when he jumped from the upper story of the building , thinking he was only on the second floor.

[jkino78]

when the evidence is handled by the people who murder, it's hardly going to go on file now is it? Talking about showing true colours. You're an ignorant hatred driven tit. When faced with something you don't know about, the answr is bullshit and deny everything? Compelling argument I must say. You're an idiot

[bapfontein]

jkino . A photgraph is not evidence , a story , is not evidence , a film is not evidence . People write stories and claim they are fact , Film are made are claims they are based on fact . What really happened Biko , we will never ever really know for sure, their is a lot of hearsay , but hearsay or someone making a movie does not have a right to tell other what they think is fact or not. As far as I concerned I not take as fact hearsay , no matter who mouths it.

[bapfontein]

jkino78 . Biko was examined by a surgen and post mortem after his death by well known S. African doctors , werethey part also of this cover up you claim but cannot prove , and are getting so angry that I wont accept hersay as proof.

[jkino78]

as for selling away the right to be a free state, and your backword smallminded view of Europe, well that would take just too long to explain. The nose dive of English banks and the pound maybe something to look into. you obviously know as much about economics as you do about SA. (strange for an Africaan LOL) You're a joke, you can't hold an argument so make things up and put words in the other persons mouth, you're not THE Ian Paisley are you? lol

[bapfontein]

jkino , the bank collapse has nothing to do with a European super state as it was a worldwide event . The thick Pats could see in the first vote that they were being forced to vote YES and join the European Superstate, They were doing not to bad then the Celtic tiger had still a little purr in it , and they voted no. That was not what the masters wanted , and the PATS No vote was thrown into the bin , and they were offread few penniies of European money and of they went again and voted YES.

[jkino78]

The Euro value held it's own to much greater degree than the English pound. It was forward thinking vision that put us in the euro zone, but don't worry, sit back with your butchers apron and memories of Thatcher, I'm sure that will fix everything lol

[bapfontein]

jkono78 Forget about the pound and the euro, all of Europe will be doing business under the Euro within 10 years, andthe European superstate will slowly unfold quitely in the background. Their will be a President as powerfull as in the US, all countries aligned and who have sold their soul for money , will have no independent forign policy , their be on forign minister in Europe who will decide on your behalf. and every major issue will eventually be decided by facelless men in Europe.

[jkino78]

yes indeed, and then the baddies will take over the world, of course they will.

I'm sure you're right about Biko, I mean to believe the contrary would be to think there was some sort of racist regime running things at the time right?

How silly, thanks for enlightenening me oh wise one. Now go back to your orange order scrapbook and remember the good ol days when Apartheid was in place and the UVF was legal hence condoning it's actions

[bapfontein]

jkino78 . Where will you spend this evening PAT , along with the other BOGTROTTERS in your local GAA/IRA den, were every pint or short you drink , 10% will be siphoned of and coverty laundred into the coffers of the latest ki llers gangs of the IRA, who pose under a new name but still same old tatcics. You will sit and curse all things English and British and spit on the floor . You will look around you GAA clubroom and view the various potraits of the Bishops , priest , rebels etc p1

[bapfontein]

p2 . and other unsavoury charaters , who the PATS love to ass lick, and think to yourself , how lucky you are that you have not moved forward into the 21 century, and noone going to tell you that liveing with outdated views and ideas is a bad thing. In fact your quite happy the way things are , a little tinkering here and there to create the false impression something changing but nothing really changing at all. You welcome to you GAA and all it stands for , as no one else on the planet cares

[jkino78]

your spelling is embaressing but reflects your level of education as do your views.

When you can't reply intelligently you revert to the argument we had already covered.

Like the backward little mind that you are.

[bapfontein]

jkino78. I make no apology for my spelling mistakes. I could easily correct every one , just as you and everyone else does with spell check , but cannot be bothered . So now it my spelling now , are you for real?. I suppose as English is not my mother tounge I , think i am not doing to bad. You have not posed one single question that I have been unable to answer., that a fact and you know it , your just mad and abusive because I am able to rubbish all your theroys, hersay , lies etc.

[jkino78]

the comments are still all there, the most abusive ones are from yourself.

Being 'able' to answer would depend on how you look at it, if it's a coherent relevant reply, or complete drivel as is the case below.

Spell check isn't something I bother to use. Typo's are one thing ignorence is another. If you're in Ireland long enough to believe yourself an authority on the north then you should be fluent enough.

[bapfontein]

jkino78, Flent no problem with the lingo , but putting into words , I mix my Afrikans up with little bits of English. Who really cares , yuur the first person even to call into question my speeling , most other people know what I mean as the speeling near enought. I dont ever question anyone spelling as long as I understand the word. In correct spelling is sometimes also the fault of a poor education or none , so I not one to punish or make fun of peoples misfourtunes.

[jkino78]

you seem to be purposly miss-spelling now that I've pointed it out. Pathetic really.

I may be the first one to point it out as the content of your argument is probably so infuriating to the sane mind that people don't bother to notice.

You seem the type to just go around looking for this type of crap. Try being positive in just one link and see if you're better off at the end of the day.I feel sorry for you in a way, I don't think someone like you will ever be particularly happy.

[bapfontein]

jkino78 , Now you say that I am  delibertly making spelling mistakes , for what reason in the fucking wide world would anyone do that for, you are really one sad person. If i were to make a big effort and try and make as little mistakes as possible , you would then turn that on its head also and say that I am only putting on the bad spelling lark as my last post had improved so much . You cannot win with you , you nit pick every scrap post , for spelling daults etc.

[jkino78]

good boy, change the subject. I made an observation, that's it. If there's a sad person here it's certainly not me. I've seen your threads before on the net, always spouting the same tripe over and over. You insist that Gaelic games were contrived from sports such as basketball and Rugby even though it precedes both. Like most sports it started hundreds of years back to keep soldiers fit in peacetime. Hurling features in pre-invasion mythology for example. But what do you care? No fun in truth?

[bapfontein]

jinko I never ever said that Gaelic games are contrved from Basketball and Rugby. Gaelic is without doubt a contrived game , a made up game , but it for over a century has taken numerous elements of other sports and codes such as Rugby , Football , Aussie Rules , and Basketball etc. For instance they have interduced on trail this year , the mark from Aussie Rules and the ref cannot blow the whistle for full time untill the ball is out of play , taken straight from Rugby. Are these lies?

[jkino78]

to say that it's a made up game is obvious, it's when and how that makes the difference. There is evidence that hurling went back before the time of English invasion, (over 800yrs) and football was introduced sometime later. They used a pigs bladder as in the UK and Britain and the object at the time was simply to get it over the adversary's line. That the modern game is now evolving using rules from sports such as ASL(a direct decendant of GAA) means nothing more than..

[bapfontein]

jinko . The football that was played in Ireland a hundreds of years ago or more is the same played in Africa , long before the White man came . They also played with goats , or pigs bladders etc,, and the object was much the same kicking the ball over a end line . The rest of the world also had simliar game. It has evolved int what is known the world over as Football or Soccer. Were the Irish went wrong was they thought the game was really a English game as the Garrisions played p1

[bapfontein]

p2 it , but all the English did was codeafie it and made up some basic rules. The Irish werent having none of you oul English forign games , and hence they made their own version., were you can take the ball in hands and run kick or fist pass. They just wanted something that they could call their own and by hell its is their own. The rest of the world agreed the rules to make the game more enjoyable and less depending on thuggery etc , has paid of , hence the FOOTBALL WORLD CUP 2010.

[jkino78]

soccer is actually just easier to play on the streets, that's why it took off, that's why Argentina, Brazil, Italy, France etc are full of players who grew up in the slums. Are you going to tell me that's not the case and further underline your stupidity? The English language passed out the French as the diplomatic language because there were less grammer rules, so it was easier. The world is full of these things, nothing to do with thuggery

[jkino78]

We didn't go wrong, we developed our game differently. It's an excellent dynamic game. When Rugby was still amatuer some players played simply because they weren't fast enough for Gaelic games. Mick Galway was an irish international yet was unable to make his county team. Your full of crap and keep underlining that fact.

[bapfontein]

jinko78 Maybe the Irish did not go wrong and their interduction of being able to ball take in hands and run with he ball and score with hands or feet , was not such a bad thing , but the rest of the world never thought it such a great idead , to travel so far away from th orignal game played with the pig bladder. As for the nonsense that people only play Football becuse it easy to play, is a nonsense . Tennis is quite a easy game to play andthe school I went to had 6 full sized p1

[bapfontein]

p2 , courts , but hell you would struggle to get anyone to play with , and onlly a few out of the hundreds at the school ever used the courts. People play the sports and games they like , just as every person has a particular fashion they follow. I have never ever known anyone who played a particular sport based on the fact that its easy to play. Thats theroy is compleate rubbish. The GAA version of football has moved so far away from the origanl played with the pigs bladder.

[jkino78]

You've obviously never played tennis, it's technically difficult, to play at any level you need lessons and it's quite expensive, so all round shit example on your part. You had a court at school whoop di doo. For football all you need is one ball and space, some people are good others just kick at it. you can play with anything from 2 to 22 players. It's a theory that's well known and widely shared, unlike your uneducated babbling anti irish propaganda

[bapfontein]

jkino78 So Mick Galway was rubbish at Gaelic , so why would you expect him to play for a county team . its obvious he was not cut out to play Gaelic. I know of other rail roaded into playing Gaelic as its the only organised sports in a particular area with no local Rugby or Football clubs ,and they are also rubbish at the game , and some quickly found their feet once they played the game they wanted to play.

[bapfontein]

JINKO . Th bottom line is , the GAA is going no where outside of Catholic Ireland. If it were not for the Catholic schools , it would wither and die in few decades or more. In many parts of ireland the numbers attending and joining Rugby and Football clubs is slowly riseing. The kids all want to play either Football or Rugby, and share in the glamour and show biz thatts goes with it . The GAA is stuck in a ruck , lives in the past , but want to be part of the future , but it games no p1

[jkino78]

Again you're wrong, there are Gaelic games in the States, the UK, Australia, NZ and even some here in Italy. First set up by emigrants then played by people from that area also. "rut" is the word you're looking for genius but it doesn't apply anymore than your arguments. It seems you prefer to make things up as you go rather than drawing on knowledge or logic

[bapfontein]

p2 can offer nothing as regards the rewards and glamour of global sports and games , because their no other nation to play Internatinal games with ,if your good enought make full time job out of playing. The Rugby club I presently help run , used to have less than a decade ago only a handfull of young Catholic playing , a sea change has happened within the past five years , and we now have as many young Catholic kids for going Gaelic Games , as the stigma fuelled aganist Rugby p2

[jkino78]

no nation to play international with? You're posting that comment on a link relating to INTERNATIONAL rules. Well done again, I must say you just have a knack for outdoing yourself. I never heard anyone spout hate against Rugby or soccer, infact have played both. I shudder at the thought that you are anywhere near kids. The only hateful spouting is coming from you, I hope you have at least that minimum of decent taste(doubtful) to not drill this into kids heads

[bapfontein]

jkino78. You cannot be serious calling the game dubbed the INTERNATONAL FOOLS SERIES , as a International game. Many within the GAA itself are ashamed of the bastardised game , that no one plays other than the Aussies AND irish every three or four years or so . Even the Aussies have lost intrest, as they see no point in playing this FOOLS GAME. Be serious for a change , and stop makeing a fool of ourself, next youll be saying Dwarft Throwning , a International game.

[jkino78]

the only one who refers to dwarf throwing is yourself, as for making a fool of yourself, well I'll leave that up to anyone else who comes on line to go through the comments and see for themselves. as for it being called the fools series, that would be by the same people who talk about bogtrotters and bogball would it? a reliable source no doubt

[bapfontein]

jkino . If Rugby and Football were only played in say Englaand . Their was no International outlet , and they decided to come up with a bastardised game like the GAA and the Aussies did., they would be mocked and drowned upon , and the smart ass who idea it was , would be carted of to the nearest funny farm. The Aussie have pulled the plug , but the Irish are begging them to reconcider , how desprate is that.

[jkino78]

Aussie Rules is played by roughly the same number of people as Gaelic for one. As for them pulling the plug, another made up comment. Stop making statements when you are clearly too ignorant to back them up plausibly. The GAA are the ones who decided to skip 2007 because of the violence on the Aussie part. The ASL adapted and asked them back. You're an idiot

[bapfontein]

jkino . That is not true and you know it . The Aussies declined to play the next test in Ireland , citing finicial conciderations. Yes it does not sound right , but this was the offical reason for not going ahead with the next test in Ireland . Many viewed it as a lame excuse for a proffesional body , other viewd it that the Aussies felt they brought the test as far as they could go and wanted to pull the plug . Check it out then call me a liar.

[jkino78]

no need to call you a liar, misinformed is more like it

[bapfontein]

jkino78.. You make a claim that the 2009International Rules (fools) Series, between Ireland and Australia was called of due to violence . The 2009 test were called of due to the Australians citing economic conditions, and they could not afford to tour and claimed they would tour 2010. That is a fact you can call me what you like for posting . Call me a liar misinformed whatever , its still a fact .

[jkino78]

well at this point I should add illiterate, I wrote 2007 not 2009.

[jkino78]

As for "claiming" they would travel? They gave a written commitment. You're implying that they are trying to find an excuse because they actually don't like the game? Are you serious? You think a proffessional body would keep up the series that started in '67 because they haven't found a plausible excuse yet? Not only misinformed but also quite deluded, your claim is ridiculous

[ZZKe7]

@jkino78 You're wasting your time talking to that bigot. He just plain hates taigs. Go to the video of Marty Clarke flicking up a sherrin with his foot and you'll see his comments there. He won't accept little things like facts.

[bapfontein]

p2. and Football clubs by the die hards withing the GAA dont hold much sway any more. In fact we held a summer camp last year ,and out of the 300 kids who attended nearly a half were from Catholic backgrounds. The local GAA also had a similar camp , and 400 or more attended , and not one child from a Protestant back ground took part. The tide is slowly moveing in on the GAA , thats why their is much agression as loathing of forign games , as tey know one day theyll be a mniority sport.

[jkino78]

the only aggression and loathing is coming from your side and your own statistics show that. Catholics are open minded enough to let their kids play the sport of their choice, but as you stated earlier, protestants won't even let their kids go to a birthday party at a GAA clubhouse. Well done on the progress there, and we're the ones tied to the past? You go on long enough and you trip yourself up like any nonsensical idiot

[bapfontein]

jikino. Yes Catholics joining Rugby and Football clubs tha tthey were told were run by the devil himself and all English games were not for good liitle Catholic kids to play , type of brainwashing by the GAA , is for the better weraing very weak. Catholic who join a Rugby or Football club wil not have to buy into anything other the the games , unlike the GAA which comes with all the Republican /Nationalist religious bagg age that is part and parcel of the GAA, thats the big diffrence.

[jkino78]

Again you're wrong, I'm irish, catholic and no one ever tried to brainwash me, besides yourself that is. You're ill informed and too stupid to learn otherwise.

[jkino78]

the lithmus test would be an easy one, let the games go proffessional. That's what Rugby did otherwise it would have gone under to Rugby league. Nothing to do with religion or politics just money and fame. The only ones tied to the past, the religion and the politics are people like yourself. Thank god for mortality, you'll soon be extinct

[bapfontein]

jkino . How on earth could the GAA go proffesional , when they virtualy funded at present by Goverment taxpayers handouts. It nearly destroyed Rugby Union and they had plenty of cash. Anyway what good would it do for the GAA going PRO , Its not going to alter the fact that its will never have a International presence or that it base will be anything other than from within the Irish Catholic community.

[jkino78]

As for Mick Galway, he loved the game and declared so on numerous occasions. He did his best to make the team but the skill levels and agility are greater than rugby. Also a fact you wouldn't know much about

[jkino78]

...these are not the "stuck in the past" people you would like to describe, rather forward minded people who are interested in developing and improving. Are you familiar with the words "developing" and "improving"? They're generally linked to progression so maybe not. The mark in any case is not yet a part of championship football, but as they got the whole sport from us I'm sure a rule or two is no biggy

[jkino78]

By the way, Pat isn't really much of an insult, go for pikey, mucker, bogger whatever you like but Pat is actually a nice name. One of my favourites actually ;)

[bapfontein]

jinko78 . Calling you Pat is no meant to be a insult, how on earth could calling a Irishman , Pat , the most popular name in Ireland ever be a insult.

[jkino78]

In the context you use it, it takes on a derogetory form. If you don't want it to seem like an attempted insult then you shouldn't highlight it as you BOGTROTTERS etc. I'm sure it was meant to be an insult but you don't seem to be the most adept in the world at communication.

[bapfontein]

jkino78 I often hear the terms used , Bogball, Paddyball , stickfighting , and Bogtrotter to decribe the games of the GAA and the sort of people who play it. I have googled the terms and they are in wide spread use , even used on GAA websites. The terms Bogball is the most used , with Bogtrotter, and Paddybal also Stickfighting very much catching up. I did not invent these terms they are widely used by Irish people , particulary those who are not predisposed to the GAA.

[jkino78]

..it depends on the circles in which you move. If you want to play innocent then fine, lesson number 1, all of the above are derogatory terms. If you don't want to insult don't use them. I find it hard to believe they are used on GAA websites. Stickfighting is not hurling and bogtrotter is most definitely an insult.

[bapfontein]

jkino Please if you do not trust me Google , Bogball, Google Bogtrotter, Google Hurling / Stickfighting , Google Paddyball , that is new one fast moveing up the ranks to decribe Gaelic. Dont take my word for it , check the words out for yourself. You cannot blame me for useing them , when it was the Irish themselves who invented such words.

[jkino78]

I did and it's a definition posted by someone with roughly the same level of ignorance as yourself. When you find it in a real dictionary let me know. It was certainly not a term invented by an irishman. you seem to be happy to remain an ignoramus, I'm sure I'm not the first to try and reason with you. Ok I'm bored with you ciao!

[bapfontein]

jkino78. You did a definitation of what term? and came up with what ?. What term are you on about , Bogball . Bogtrotter, Paddybasll, Stickfighting, which one?.

[bapfontein]

Jkino ,  Its not a real word if its not in a dictionary, that a new one to me. There are hundreds of local words used here in Ireland that I could search every known dictionary in the world and never ever find. So a word is not really a word if its not recorded and in a dictionary, try telling that to some of the Gaelic speakers in Ireland and Scotland , that the words they used for centiries are wortlesss and meaninless because the English spoken people say so.

[jkino78]

.." the object is to kick the ball in the air and start a fight where it lands"..that's teh definition I'm supposed to take seriously? Don't try and fobb yourself off as some sort of moral compass standing up for the Gaelic languages, which by the way have their own dictionaries.

A new one to you? About everything that has to do with logic is new to you I reckon

[jkino78]

..plus I didn't say it wasn't a word I said it was an insult, you tried justifying it's use by saying you could find it on google. Does that mean that white trash is ok to use? cos it's on google? what a compelling argument yet again, well done to you

[jkino78]

did you know that during apartheid in SA, the black communities held political rallies under the guise of soccer games. This doesn't mean that FIFA has ties with the ANC, it means tat due to certain circumstances in that area soccer was instrumentalised for that purpose. Why is it that I've never heard of an annual mass before? Come on, I was part of a GAA club until I moved to Italy, trust me. There are negatives in the GAA, but it's not quite as you believe it to be

[bapfontein]

jkino78. The ANC did not have to hold political rallies under the guise of Football games , were did you dig that shite up from. Its was totally impossible for any ANC event to take place in S. Africa without BOSS knowing all about , that how heavily the ANC were infiltrated . It is often said in S. Africa that should three blacks meet on a street corner in Soweto , that two of them were working for BOSS. Surely you can do better than that nonsense.

[jkino78]

My sister worked as a missionary for years in Africa, my brother in law is west african, but if you still doubt that look it up. It was also in the film documenting the life of Steven Biko. Heard of him?

[bapfontein]

jkino. I probally know more about Steve Biko , and all about his family than you will ever know. Steve came to a rather sad end when he decided to escape from I think it was the seven floor in John Vorster Square in downtown Jo Burg , and died in his failed attempt. What old Stevie got to do with the GAA?,

[jkino78]

are you for real? You really have your head further up your arse than I thought. What are you, Ayrian race fan? Biko was murdered, beaten to death by the so called police. You obviously know sweet fuck all, and you demonstrate that with every comment. I've wasted too much time with you already. Best of luck to you, you'll need it

[jkino78]

If you can't see how it ties into the argument then you're even ticker than I thought...and that's really quite thick, believe me

[bapfontein]

p3. In fact amongst the the vast majority of the Protestant community , there was a valid fear of what the GAA was up to and to this day great suspicion and fear still exist. In fact if a Protestant child or adult is invited to a birthday party or whatever in a GAA clubroom , most Protestant parents forbid them from attending , such of the fear that still exist that the clubs are run covertly by the IRA. To this day many still are convinced the GAA covertly helped fund the IRA.

[jkino78]

Why not accompany the child? When someone reaches out sometimes it's better to take the risk and see the good that can come of it. I understand that's easier to say from here, but again, if we do what we always did, we'll get what we always got. Big changes start with small gestures

[jkino78]

fund raising etc is exclusively run by each individual club. It's why a big club has a stand and a smaller community has to make do with a glorified umbrella of sorts. Again, if that's how they misused their positions in the north, it's their problem. The GAA wasn't set up for that purpose, but was helped greatly by the English treatment of it. It was the worst thing they could have done. Most of the laws against armed forces not playing GAA came after bloody Sunday 1920

[bapfontein]

jkino78.. Again you you try and cleanse the hands of the GAA for allowing their clubrooms etc to be used for Republican Fund raising etc , its if your saying they had no control over the clubs and as the Protestant community are convinced the clubs were nothing but fronts for the IRA, for recruiting and fund raising. I dont buy that, both worked as hand in glove , as many of the top GAA men in our area were also IRA members , and many did time for murder and bombing during the troubles.

[jkino78]

stop being so drammatic, cleanse the hands? Come of it. The heads of the GAA in Dublin would be hard pressed to tell you who the county chairman was in most of the counties, let alone know what the clubs were up to. If they have something to answer for it would be turning a blind eye at the most. I don't think you'll ever buy anything other than your own view, but I'm sure you're aware that the IRA weren't the only terrorist group in the north. Let's move on shall we?

[jkino78]

you made a rather sweeping statement in a very undiplomatic way. My father suffered some brutal treatment growing up in the 30's and 40's, yet some of his dearest friends have been protestants. I learned alot from him and his courage in this respect. He was never treated differently by his club even though he has friends who were in the armed forces and holds a hall of fame award with his club. You obviously live in a highly strung area

[jkino78]

..the church and politics aren't anywhere near the game. I know in the past this wasn't the case and I'm glad we've moved on. Being represented at big games is simply that, a figurehead reresenting the majority of players, nothing more as in most other sports.

[bapfontein]

p2. church hold privlage position within the SARFU.? . Is the Mighty Miget Tutu, interduced to the supporters along with the SARFU before all major matches to acknowledge the link between his Church and the SARFU. ? . Their is one hell of a diffrence between , a president or Church leader attending , duee to protocol , a sporting event , and the clear and copperfastned links between the GAA and the Catholic Church , and you know that as well as anyone.

[jkino78]

you've clearly learned about the GAA from a biased and prejudiced point of view. Once again, there are positives and negatives. There's no point in trying to blow up the negatives. Most of what you listed is a thing of the past. It may have been more a thing in Northern Ireland, but that's because they were right in the middle of the troubles. Again, when you try to push something down, you breed fanaticism. Not a Gaa thing, it depends on the community

[jkino78]

as for it being an Irish catholic thing, well again my ignorant little man, it's not the case.

Sport and Religion have had ties all around the world. So much so that they have lectures on it . look up 'Sport and Religion Past, Present and Future' you may learn something, you certainly need to

[bapfontein]

jkino. Now we are getting the Bogtrotter all mad and foaming at the mouth with his oul hurley in his hands. Dont hit me with your hurley stick PAT. lol. Now according to Pat all sports have links to a particular religion . Name which religion t Boxing , is aligned with? and while your at it how about , Basketball, Cricket, Golf, Wrestling etc etc etc , come on Pat tell us name that Sport and name their Religious Links. The GAA is not a answer , we already got that one..

[bapfontein]

jkino . You first started of the debate , pretending to be the new GAA forward thinking GAA person, all for kicking out the Catholic Church out of the GAA , and cutting all links covert and overt with Natonalist/ Republican politics , but as you twisted abd turned and were caught out time and time again like a rabbit blinded by the light of a car , you quickly reverted to type and just became another typical bigot Bogtrotter, living in the past and with outdated ideals. Your all the same.

[jkino78]

I started the debate by saying the influence of the church on sports and politics is pretty much a thing of the past thank god. That is the case, I've played alongside english friends in my old club, once upon a time I would have been booted for playing Rugby, also a thing of the past. In the community I lived in the local priest is never present for any decision making and has nothing to do with the running of the club.I'm happy with that, but ok with the presence of the church at big games too

[jkino78]

you don't read too good do you? Find me where I said "all sports have links to a particular religion". You won't find it as I didn't write it.

You're delusional as most ignorants are, and when you don't have evidence of something, well you just make it up.

ake information and twist it, that's cleared up quite a bit for me, explains your warped idea of the GAA and Irish society.

[bapfontein]

jinko . I will list several facts about the GAA please enlighten me as to which ones are fiction and which ones are fact. That should clear up who is delusional etc. Is it a fact or not , 1. The GAA is closely linked to the Catholic Church . 2. GAA clubs all have a annual Club Mass. 3. The GAA bestows pride of place amongst the guest at all major events , all Ireland Finals etc , to high ranking members of the Catholic Church. 4. The vast majority of Catholic schools have only p1

[bapfontein]

p2 Gaelic games as offical sports of the school. 5. The GAA aligned is covertly and overtly linked to Nationalist/ Republican politics. That should keep you busy for a moment. It will be no surprise if you come back and deny all .

[jkino78]

for the links to the church, we've covered it, clearly there are. Annual club mass? Never been to one, not a big thing where I'm from. Pride of place, yes again covered already. Schools, no, schools rugby is huge in Ireland, I went to Newbridge, it's run by franciscans but no gaelic team, but again as GAA sports are the main sports in Ireland this point demonstrates nothing. As for Nationalist politics, again, strictly to do with the communities

[jkino78]

I might add hat I don't feel the need to "pretend" to be anything. I live abroad, and taking a step back can often help widen your horizens.

My point is this, while I agree there are negatives, I don't feel it's fair to tar everyone with the same brush.

I support republican politics but not the terrorism. This labelling is exactly the form of ignorance that does damage on both sides. A sport should represent the people who play it that's a good thing..p1

[bapfontein]

jkino78 I once played rugby for a all Afrikaner Rugby Union team , in a 95% Afrikaner community , and no where did the NDK , ever get involved with any Rugby club , althought the community was approx the same percentage NDK , it would have been unthinkable that any religious body would interfer or get involed directly with any sport witin the community . Must just be a Irish Catholic thing.

[jkino78]

,,p2..you've taken exclusively the negatives from all aspects of our culture and run with that. As for you playing for an all Afrikaan RU team, absolute bolloxs, stop making up shit. You live near a community with GAA pitches but you're Afrikaans? First learn the right term and how to spell it, then you may be more credible

[jkino78]

I should add, as I play rugby with Kiwis, that the HAKA is a religious dance for the Maoris, who have a very strong "nationalist" movement in NZ. Another result of English colonisation. If Rugby wasn't an international game they would probably have some idiot saying the same about their game and movement. It is very relative, you just don't seem to be very learned on the subject.

Quit concentrating on hatred so hard, it helps

[bapfontein]

jkino78 . I have since childhood played both codes of Rugby as well as Football, and know as much about the Haka as you do . Its maybe time you brushed up on you knowledge of the Haka. The Haka is a traditional Maori war dance . Fact you can twist or turn all you like , and I do not care how many Maori told you diffrent. What are you on about hatred for , what hatred ?. Please explain .

[jkino78]

your way of referring to the game as Paddyball? that and other terms point towards hatred.

If you think the Haka is not a deeply spiritual ritual for the Maoris then you clearly know less than I do. You don't care how many maori told me different? That's the heigth of arrogance. Don't you think they're a reliable source when speaking of their culture? Playing both codes of rugby has nothing to do with your knowledge of other cultures, utterly irrelevant

[jkino78]

you asked me to name another sport that carries out religious rituals, I named one. The GAA was set up to protect a part of our culture that, I repeat goes further back than the association. The involvement of the church is a flaw that we've had as a culture in the past but that is changing.

I should add that if it wasn't for the fact that we had a tyrannic force trying to annihalate ou culture in the first place then the resulting fanaticism might have been avoided

[bapfontein]

Jkino. Under no circumstances can you use the NZ Haka as a religious ritual. Thats total rubbish , the Haka , has nothing to do whatsoever to do with religion and is a Traditional Mori war cry, and is nothing more than a bit of fun. To equate this with the Catholic Church , which runs right throughout the GAA cannot be taken as nothing more than your trying o be funny.

[jkino78]

why don't you do some research on the HAKA? It's nota silly little war dance as you would seem to think. Before the Munster V ABs game, Doug Howlett had to call his tribal elders to ask permission to perform the haka, it's a deeply spiritual thing. If you ever meet a Maori, try and describe it as nothing more than a bit of fun, see if you finish the sentence

[jkino78]

...I say "pretty much" a thing of the past, but ignorance takes time to root out. Look at those inbred fuckers who turned up to shake hands with a prick who was convicted of rape, shocking and dissapointing to see.

The best way to change something is from the inside with positive pro active behaviour, otherwise we end up surrendering a part of culture we sould be proud of to an ignorant bunch of bigots.

Past mistakes don't need to map out our future

[themanofsonic]

c;mon guyys australia shoulda one easy mate

we just didnt wanna hurt u guys or win or u guys might have a cry and call it off again for another 2 years

[FlatOutHOGAN]

HAHAHA Fuck off Aussie boy,, Take out the thugs and what happens???Ireland wins ,,If ye want to fight feel free to come over to any city over here ,,,Youd get your kneecaps blown off...........TAL

[remedy63]

I knew we were going to come back and kick Australias ass after that disgraceful performance from Australia the last time. They were fouling all around them it got pretty ruff. Dont mess with the fighting Irish yyeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrroooooo

[mickser101]

Well done to sean and the lads great win, the game was played in the right spirit and the amateurs beat the professionals

[AFLrules101]

Great game, good win to ireland....were there any geelong players in the AUS squad??

[Seamus616]

that is class. lets the cut the shit. both teams played some unreal football, and seeing harvey trent and donaghy talking and hugging after the game showed as boylan said "football was the real winner". great contest

[AUSTALY]

well done ireland too good.

[Finalfreedom7]

way to go ireland! thank god australia didn't win. in an unrelated story OMG irishbelman!! what the hell kinda comment is that!! OMGG

[EvinYakubuDude]

He said come on ireland. Whats so dramatic with that

[KNRDDMC]

I think he meant the way he spelled it.

cum on Ireland instead of come on Ireland.

I know what he meant by it but some people might take it the other way...

[irishrebelman89]

for godsake are you that immature."come on ireland now are you happy". totally unrelated

and something which i forgot to say in my last comment R.I.P Cormac you will never be forgotten!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Finalfreedom7]

life must be terrible without a sense of humour. a comment like that screams FUNNY REPLY or vulgar reply. i chose the better.

[blunt1984]

Congrats lads!

You've shown the world that the best football is in Ireland!!!

[bapfontein]

lunt1984-- You shown the world that the best football! is in Ireland. The Aussie play their game with a oval ball, and find it embarrisingly difficut to kick a round ball and , forgot to inform the clown they had in goals ,that his job was goalkeeper , and he was allowed to make a attempt at stopping the ball going in to the nets.Overall the game is a nonsense of a game,with elements of every game on the planet included,Football, Rugby, Bogball,Aussie R, Wrestling, Basketball, Boxing etc .

[08kyky]

bapfontein you are entitled to your opinions and my god you have many...you call the game a nonsense..but you mention it is a mix of many sports...which one could argue then it is the triathlon/heptathlon of field sports

[bapfontein]

O8k-- Yes the game is a nonsense ,and many PADDYBALL hillbillieS also have similar views on the nonsense game. So desperate for a International presence PADDYBALL came up with this laughing stock of a game, which is more famous for violence than any sporting aspect.Could you imagine if Football was like PADDYBALL and no other nation on earth would touch it with a shitty forty foot pole , and they decided to join up with lets say Rugby Union, and have a comprise game . Ridiculous the sane . p1

[bapfontein]

O8-P2--would cry, and those who came up with such a fantasy would be dragged of to the big house for treatment. But you cannot under estimate the Leprechauns , if they can mix sport , politics , and terror, tinkering around with two completely different sport codes is small fry. Many of the Padyballers and a couple in particular , said that playing for their country in the so called International Fools Series , was a better experience than playing in a All Ireland Paddybal final. Desperate or !

[Goobag]

The game was created at a time when the destruction of the Irish culture was almost complete. What do you do to combat this? You have ways in which to show the difference of your social group and another. Thus the sport was born. Only natural that nationalists would gravitate.

I played Gaelic when I was younger as I played football. I enjoyed them both. It'll never be played the world over as the English sports are (some would contend this was to do with colonisation) but who cares? We like it.

[jkino78]

It actually went much further back than that. Like Lacrosse for the native indians Hurling was for the Gaels. They were "sports" for warriors in peacetime, to keep their wits about them. In Italy you have whats called Calcio Fiorentino which is probably where the present day soccer originated. Polo was a game the Mongols played. They all just developed differently. Basketball is probably about 1000yrs younger than hurling and at least 200yrs less than Gaelic football

[tullyrowan]

hillbillies???? Are they not the great Ulster Scots that settled in the Hills of Virginia!!!!

[Goobag]

I'm going to be honest it seems more like you have more of a problem with Irish people than with the game itself. Hurling was around long before most games in an altered manner much the same way football was.

As for Gaelic being a basketball rip off you're wrong. Basketball was invented after. Anyway if you were making your own sport why not take elements from other sports?

You seem to care so much Northern nationalists play it. If rapists play football is it still not a good game?

[08kyky]

good vid...nice words from Mr Boylan and Cavanagh...and some rendition of the "Field of Athenry"...they should stick to the day job...I'd say they will sink a few Fosters tonite!!!

[irishrebelman89]

cum on ireland!!!!well done lads.