@STEnterpriseNX01 Warp 11 in the TOS era was roughly Warp 8.6 in the TNG era, they used a different Warp scale back then that had no end to it (Warp 10 in TNG would be Warp X or something in TOS. Slipstream would be Warp 50, a Class 1 Hyperdrive would be close to Warp 370 in TOS scale/9.9999989 TNG ). All in all I prefer the TOS scale, since it allows you to express faster and faster speeds without going 9.9999 etc
Ideally just saying ####c is the best method really.
Here's an idea. Load an ignited lightsaber into a photon torpedo tube, give it a propulsion system, and fire it at a ship and see what happens.
Or better yet, cluster a whole bunch of lightsabers and fire them all at once like a scatter-shot. Shields or not, something's going to get sliced through.
No way that a federation starship can survive a battle with a super star destroyer impossible!Even a few X-Wing or Tie Fighters can destroy the Enterprise C'mon now!
... every time one of these videos is made, the 'experts' of the universe come out of the woodwork... And make themselves look ridiculous. Really, no counter-argument is necessary, because trying to substantiate Star Wars is pointless. Nothing against it, but it's fantasy, and that's why we LOVE it. It doesn't try to take itself seriously and that WORKS for it. Just like Star Trek taking itself very seriously works for it in its own way.
@paladinstorm There is also one thing that Star Wars people don't realize. The eliments in the Star Trek "Universe" are different. For example nothing is alloud to travel past Warp 10. It's like how magic has a strong presence in the Marvel Univerce then in the DC Universe.
@McMahonHater Warp Factors can be converted into multiples of the speed of light (written as c) just as inches can be converted into centimeters, it's a unit of measurement, nothing more.
In TOS the Warp Scale never stops, for example, a speed of 125,000,000c would be expressed as Warp 500 in TOS while it wold be Warp 9.999998 in TNG, and a class 0.4 Hyperdrive in Star Wars.
@Meleth28 My point exactly. I mean it is cool to have a hobby, and it is cool to be passionate about it. Even knowing all the stuff you know about it is cool. However sometime you shit on video people have made, and there is no reason to. It is just for fun.
dude awsome man absalutly awsome as for the ISD as the other guy put it could be destroyed by any class of federation ship considering that the NX-01 has a way higher manuvering speed then the ISD's so they are out of the park when they go up against the NX-01 lol
ISD is faster and has enough firepower and shielding to go up against the entire federation, dominion, cardassian, breen, Klingon and romulan fleets combined and come out on top.
800 teratons (800,000,000 megatons) per second = ISD firepower
40-50 megatons = Quantum torpedo firepower
ISD shielding is capable of withstanding 30 minutes of sustained fire from another ISD.
48000
800x60 for 1 minute ISD firepower = 960 million - 1.2 billion quantum torpedoes x 30 to finally collapse the shields.
when I was making a mod for Star Wars I wanted to make it as accurate as possible, I never cared about the whole Trek vs Wars thing and was a fan of both franchises, as well as several others,
I came across the stats for the ships on a site called Stardestroyer net, to make sure it wasn't biased I crossed referenced them with official materials, I already had the TNG Tech manual lying around and, I got the Star Wars complete cross sections book later, sure enough everything checked out.
@22cevans The Federation consists of only 150 worlds, spread across 8,000 light years, meaning that even their fastest ships take years to cross their own territory!, they have maybe 8,000 ships tops, only a tiny fraction of them even close to Galaxy Class in strength (like maybe 50-75, with the rest far weaker).
The Empire has millions of worlds, millions of ships that can cross an entire galaxy in under a day and even a dropship not designed for combat can outgun the entire alpha quadrant.
Said Dropship carries 200 gigatons per shot, per gun, it has 12 guns that can fire around 30-60 rpm each, and it can concentrate all that fire forwards with no less than half in any other direction. It's shields can easily withstand attacks with far more firepower than the ship itself can dish out.
A Galaxy class has 24 megatons per Photon torpedo, 1 launcher front/back and has a rate of roughly 15-30 torps per minute, torpedoes cannot be fired let, right up nor down.
@Perion I am so sick of your dumb ass. Nobody cares about the technical specifications of fictional space empires. They just want to watch the fucking movie. If you keep posting this stupid shit, I'm gonna block you. And by the way, I don't care that you don't care.
@Meleth28 Honestly if it bothers you THAT much, even though 22cevans is addressing me directly with these comments etc, I suppose I could PM him instead, honestly you're taking this a little too personally / getting a little too uptight over this. I don't get all flustered when people get things wrong in these sorts of videos.
@Perion Yea, member worlds meaning the homeworld of each species. So 150 species are in the Federation. Many of those Federation members own many planets. Kirk in the TOS era said that humanity was "on over a thousand worlds and spreading out." (TOS: Metamorphosis)
@billyboyjennings maybe if you include colonies , research stations and the like, also TOS era stuff is rather... unreliable considering all the retcons all over the place.
Even then that's "over a thousand", singular, not plural. IE more than 1,000 but less than 2,000.
Regular Moffs are known to control territory on that order of magnitude, let alone Grand Moffs.
@Perion Whatever. Canon states an absolute minimum of 1,000+ Fed worlds in the 2200s. I don't think it unreasonable to say that the Federation, with advances in warp travel and new members, would have gained a lot of new planets and territory over the next 100 years.
Many thousands or not, the total number of UFP planets is WAY more than only 150.
@billyboyjennings Not necessarily, political constraints keeping their territory from expanding as well as prime directive restrictions limiting them from planets within their own territory could lead up to a LOT of uncolonized planets.
It's still a drop in the ocean compared to the Empire and the loss of all 150 worlds in a simultaneous attack would cripple the federation, especially when one of those losses would be earth itself.
@Perion They messed up on allot of stuff in Star Wars. If the Millenium Falcon is the fastest ship in the Galaxy, and can only "make .5 past light speed" than the NX prototypes are faster than it with Warp 2 being 10 times the speed of light. Also the the fastest ships in Starfleet can make warp 9.999 which is 199,516 times the speed of light. Those planets must be pretty close together, and that Galaxy must be pretty small in the Star Wars universe.
@22cevans the term "make .5 past lightspeed" is not to be taken as 1.5 x the speed of light, but as a 0.5 class FTL drive (a 0.6 is slower), it's like saying a car makes X mileage past X mph. lightspeed is used as a very general term in Star Wars to refer from anything from Warp 1 to Warp 10 not just 1c
Also no ship in Starfleet can make Warp 9.999, the fastest ship, the Enterprise E, can only make 9.95 which is 4000c
The Star Wars galaxy is 120,000 ly across, and has two dwarf galaxies nearby
Had han said "The ship makes .6 past lightspeed" it would actually be slower than 0.5, as Hyperdrive grades are ranked lower number the faster they are, a Class 0 Hyperdrive would be equivilent to Warp 10, and a Class 0.5 Hyperdrive can cross the 120,000 ly galaxy far far away in a matter of hours, while the fastest shipboard drive in Trek takes months to cross a quadrant.
Also if Han really did mean 1.5c, then it took him close to 25 years to do the kessel run, which is clearly not the case.
A) Episode 3 takes place in 19 BBY, while ANH takes place at 0 BBY/ABY, and we See the Milenium Falcon on coruscant at the time, so the trip could not have taken 25 years.
B) George Lucas himself stated that Han was telling the truth about the 12 parsecs, and that it was not a mistake as Hyperdrive speeds take into account route efficiency in their navicomps, he also finds the "Maw" explanation unnecessary. So he has made regular 12 parsec trips.
C) Obi-wan made a round trip of 101,000 Lightyears in Episode 2, and most of the time he was either held prisoner on Geonosis or making an inspection on Kamino.
D) The Malevolence made a 10 parsec trip in minutes, causing Grievous to lament "They told me this ship was Fast!" it would take the fastest federation vessel days to make a trip of that distance, not minutes.
warp 9.999 is only possible for starfleet subspace radio communications with boosted relays, NOT for their ships
@McMahonHater not really, since there are absolute stats on the capabilities of their technologies etc, so the only thing that depends on the person who's writing the story in determining who is stronger is if the person accepts or ignores the official stats.
But comparing official stats show the Empire to be vastly superior.
@Perion Dude, all you seem to do is go around YouTube anoying anybody who is trying to enjoy theseTrek/Wars video. You are such a nerd that you make other nerds and geeks feel uneasy. Did it ever occure to you that nobody cares who is "more powerful" and that we would simply like to enjoy the work of a fellow youtuber. So just fuck off, and quit ruining everybody else's fun.
@McMahonHater In case you didn't notice 22cevans asked me directly, so obviously people DO care, that it makes you feel uneasy is your problem, not mine.
@Perion This time, but how many times have you crapped on videos because they weren't accurat to the Tech books you have at home. Do you want to know who would win if the Empire invaded Federation space? I will tell you. It would be the Federation, Do you know why? I will tell you that too. Because the UFP's are the good guys and in the long run the good guys always win in the movies, thats why.
You know, I'm a nerd, and proud of it, otherwise I wouldn't have put this up here in the first place. But you guys make me look like the coolest guy ever by comparison.
@Meleth28 I am a tried and true Trekkie, I think it is better then Star Wars simply because I find the main characters more believable. Star Wars is cool, Jedi's are cool... a Vulcan Jedi would rule. However I think Star Wars people are way to series, even more then Trekkies. Hell, some, put Jedi down as there religion for fuck sakes.
Yeah I have to agree.. large ships are helpless under the threat of fighters. I'm going to guess you're biased on trek if you're going to ignore common sense in naval combat.
No it does not, fighters only have an advantage against sea going ships because the operate in a different media then ships. Space fighters would not have any advantage at all, in fact they would not be faster or more agile. Naval combat does not apply at all, no more then it does in air combat.
except the killers of the battleships, the bombers, cant really juke and twist during their attack run.
They are better because they are considerably harder to hit even with targeting mechanisms, much cheaper, and can carry enough of a payload to hit with similar strength to their target.
That and their smaller mass makes them more fuel efficient, allowing them to attain greater acceleration in space during their attack run to make them even more difficult targets.
I think you should read up on it, thermal targeting means that is is no harder to lock on then a small ship then it is to lock on to a larger one, in space any maneuvers use up fuel, the smaller ships have less fuel and believe it or not their acceleration is not any more then what a large ship can do. There is nothing you can do with a space fighter that a missile can't do cheaper, better, and with far less risk to life and limb.
problem is ECM and jamming, and point defense, Starfighters in Star Wars are useful but only when the shields on a capital ship are brought down, which has to be done via another capital ship or VAST numbers of bombers, remember in Star Wars they have used big ships for thousands of years, and Fighters for that same period of time, as a result, BOTH have become imperative, Fighters Complement capital ships, but Fighters alone cannot bring one down unless you send hundreds or thousands of them.
but yeah people need to realize that those globes are NOT shield generators... they are scanners and the shields were brought down by the Mon cal fleet, which even one ship of the Mon Cal fleet has more firepower than all the ships that fought in the dominion war combined.
shields vs no shields...
MrSieish 2 months ago
the impirial fleet vs nx-01 100% chance for empire wins
daniellisnermeicker 5 months ago
nx-01 is screwed
luigi19987 6 months ago
"There is a great disterbance in the force."
"Go to hell!"
LOL
2897241 7 months ago
Great fun - thanks!
TRUMPER007 7 months ago
@Perion Not true the Enterprise NCC-1701 went at warp 11
STEnterpriseNX01 8 months ago
@STEnterpriseNX01 Warp 11 in the TOS era was roughly Warp 8.6 in the TNG era, they used a different Warp scale back then that had no end to it (Warp 10 in TNG would be Warp X or something in TOS. Slipstream would be Warp 50, a Class 1 Hyperdrive would be close to Warp 370 in TOS scale/9.9999989 TNG ). All in all I prefer the TOS scale, since it allows you to express faster and faster speeds without going 9.9999 etc
Ideally just saying ####c is the best method really.
Perion 6 months ago
god a single turbolaser blast is about as big as an NX. Enterprise would just be engulfed and vaporised
BMWM3GTRLOVER 9 months ago
nx01 is not a good ship to use it would not stand a cance,now the enterprise a would be better
ISSExcelsior2863A 10 months ago
crap
DarthChess 1 year ago
r'nr'!!!!!!!!!!!!5*fav&subbed!!!!!!!!
freezetasticvoyage19 1 year ago
Here's an idea. Load an ignited lightsaber into a photon torpedo tube, give it a propulsion system, and fire it at a ship and see what happens.
Or better yet, cluster a whole bunch of lightsabers and fire them all at once like a scatter-shot. Shields or not, something's going to get sliced through.
RichardBullittBush 1 year ago
No way that a federation starship can survive a battle with a super star destroyer impossible!Even a few X-Wing or Tie Fighters can destroy the Enterprise C'mon now!
wildwildwest1414 1 year ago
... every time one of these videos is made, the 'experts' of the universe come out of the woodwork... And make themselves look ridiculous. Really, no counter-argument is necessary, because trying to substantiate Star Wars is pointless. Nothing against it, but it's fantasy, and that's why we LOVE it. It doesn't try to take itself seriously and that WORKS for it. Just like Star Trek taking itself very seriously works for it in its own way.
paladinstorm 1 year ago 5
@paladinstorm THANK YOU
Meleth28 1 year ago
@paladinstorm I know! It's just a little exercise in creativity - no need to get all canonical about it!
...even though Trek ships are far more maneuverable...
Steamrunner92 1 year ago
@paladinstorm There is also one thing that Star Wars people don't realize. The eliments in the Star Trek "Universe" are different. For example nothing is alloud to travel past Warp 10. It's like how magic has a strong presence in the Marvel Univerce then in the DC Universe.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater Warp Factors can be converted into multiples of the speed of light (written as c) just as inches can be converted into centimeters, it's a unit of measurement, nothing more.
In TOS the Warp Scale never stops, for example, a speed of 125,000,000c would be expressed as Warp 500 in TOS while it wold be Warp 9.999998 in TNG, and a class 0.4 Hyperdrive in Star Wars.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion You are out of you head.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@Perion NOBODY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD GIVES THE SLIGHTEST FUCK!! DEAR LORD IN HEAVEN, ARE YOU ACTUALLY PROUD OF KNOWING THAT?!
Meleth28 1 year ago
@Meleth28 My point exactly. I mean it is cool to have a hobby, and it is cool to be passionate about it. Even knowing all the stuff you know about it is cool. However sometime you shit on video people have made, and there is no reason to. It is just for fun.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
Borg vs Galactic Empire?
provenelk 2 years ago
dude awsome man absalutly awsome as for the ISD as the other guy put it could be destroyed by any class of federation ship considering that the NX-01 has a way higher manuvering speed then the ISD's so they are out of the park when they go up against the NX-01 lol
charliecroc1 2 years ago
ISD is faster and has enough firepower and shielding to go up against the entire federation, dominion, cardassian, breen, Klingon and romulan fleets combined and come out on top.
800 teratons (800,000,000 megatons) per second = ISD firepower
40-50 megatons = Quantum torpedo firepower
ISD shielding is capable of withstanding 30 minutes of sustained fire from another ISD.
48000
800x60 for 1 minute ISD firepower = 960 million - 1.2 billion quantum torpedoes x 30 to finally collapse the shields.
Perion 2 years ago
the 48,000 figure = 48 petatons, the per-minute firepower of an ISD.
had some of my calculation notes on the past comment :P
Perion 2 years ago
This video is wrong on many accounts ESPECIALLY the NX firepower.
Seen here:
watch?v=y2RoCsD_vOY
Thats nowhere near the power to hurt an ISD.
blacksun2175 2 years ago 5
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@blacksun2175 STFU No one cares about that you fucking nerd
mmarko001s 1 year ago
@blacksun2175 It was enough to blow a "mountain the size of Mt. Mckinley"...
Idazmi7 4 months ago
The Galactic Empire would crush Star Trek horribly--the Federation, the Romulans, Klingons, Borg and so forth.
ImperatorDerGalaxis 2 years ago 2
when I was making a mod for Star Wars I wanted to make it as accurate as possible, I never cared about the whole Trek vs Wars thing and was a fan of both franchises, as well as several others,
I came across the stats for the ships on a site called Stardestroyer net, to make sure it wasn't biased I crossed referenced them with official materials, I already had the TNG Tech manual lying around and, I got the Star Wars complete cross sections book later, sure enough everything checked out.
Perion 2 years ago 5
@Perion So... Which is stronger?
22cevans 1 year ago
@22cevans Star Wars by an absolutely huge margin.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion I disagree with you on that
22cevans 1 year ago
@22cevans The Federation consists of only 150 worlds, spread across 8,000 light years, meaning that even their fastest ships take years to cross their own territory!, they have maybe 8,000 ships tops, only a tiny fraction of them even close to Galaxy Class in strength (like maybe 50-75, with the rest far weaker).
The Empire has millions of worlds, millions of ships that can cross an entire galaxy in under a day and even a dropship not designed for combat can outgun the entire alpha quadrant.
Perion 1 year ago
Said Dropship carries 200 gigatons per shot, per gun, it has 12 guns that can fire around 30-60 rpm each, and it can concentrate all that fire forwards with no less than half in any other direction. It's shields can easily withstand attacks with far more firepower than the ship itself can dish out.
A Galaxy class has 24 megatons per Photon torpedo, 1 launcher front/back and has a rate of roughly 15-30 torps per minute, torpedoes cannot be fired let, right up nor down.
Still disagree?
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion I am so sick of your dumb ass. Nobody cares about the technical specifications of fictional space empires. They just want to watch the fucking movie. If you keep posting this stupid shit, I'm gonna block you. And by the way, I don't care that you don't care.
Meleth28 1 year ago
@Meleth28 Honestly if it bothers you THAT much, even though 22cevans is addressing me directly with these comments etc, I suppose I could PM him instead, honestly you're taking this a little too personally / getting a little too uptight over this. I don't get all flustered when people get things wrong in these sorts of videos.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Whatever!!!! I still disagree. If we can agree on one thing, lets agree on disagreeing. Shall we. P.S. Please don't respond to this.
22cevans 1 year ago
@Perion No. That's 150 member species. The Federation has thousands of worlds.
billyboyjennings 1 year ago
@billyboyjennings Picard explicitly said member worlds in first contact.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Yea, member worlds meaning the homeworld of each species. So 150 species are in the Federation. Many of those Federation members own many planets. Kirk in the TOS era said that humanity was "on over a thousand worlds and spreading out." (TOS: Metamorphosis)
Federation controls thousands of worlds, not 150.
billyboyjennings 1 year ago
@billyboyjennings maybe if you include colonies , research stations and the like, also TOS era stuff is rather... unreliable considering all the retcons all over the place.
Even then that's "over a thousand", singular, not plural. IE more than 1,000 but less than 2,000.
Regular Moffs are known to control territory on that order of magnitude, let alone Grand Moffs.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Whatever. Canon states an absolute minimum of 1,000+ Fed worlds in the 2200s. I don't think it unreasonable to say that the Federation, with advances in warp travel and new members, would have gained a lot of new planets and territory over the next 100 years.
Many thousands or not, the total number of UFP planets is WAY more than only 150.
billyboyjennings 1 year ago
@billyboyjennings Not necessarily, political constraints keeping their territory from expanding as well as prime directive restrictions limiting them from planets within their own territory could lead up to a LOT of uncolonized planets.
It's still a drop in the ocean compared to the Empire and the loss of all 150 worlds in a simultaneous attack would cripple the federation, especially when one of those losses would be earth itself.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Im not talking about the the vs debate. Just pointing out that your "Federation consists of only 150 worlds" statement is incorrect.
billyboyjennings 1 year ago
@Perion They messed up on allot of stuff in Star Wars. If the Millenium Falcon is the fastest ship in the Galaxy, and can only "make .5 past light speed" than the NX prototypes are faster than it with Warp 2 being 10 times the speed of light. Also the the fastest ships in Starfleet can make warp 9.999 which is 199,516 times the speed of light. Those planets must be pretty close together, and that Galaxy must be pretty small in the Star Wars universe.
22cevans 1 year ago
@22cevans the term "make .5 past lightspeed" is not to be taken as 1.5 x the speed of light, but as a 0.5 class FTL drive (a 0.6 is slower), it's like saying a car makes X mileage past X mph. lightspeed is used as a very general term in Star Wars to refer from anything from Warp 1 to Warp 10 not just 1c
Also no ship in Starfleet can make Warp 9.999, the fastest ship, the Enterprise E, can only make 9.95 which is 4000c
The Star Wars galaxy is 120,000 ly across, and has two dwarf galaxies nearby
Perion 1 year ago
Had han said "The ship makes .6 past lightspeed" it would actually be slower than 0.5, as Hyperdrive grades are ranked lower number the faster they are, a Class 0 Hyperdrive would be equivilent to Warp 10, and a Class 0.5 Hyperdrive can cross the 120,000 ly galaxy far far away in a matter of hours, while the fastest shipboard drive in Trek takes months to cross a quadrant.
Also if Han really did mean 1.5c, then it took him close to 25 years to do the kessel run, which is clearly not the case.
Perion 1 year ago
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Perion 1 year ago
@Perion quote "comment removed"
He does that alot.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
We know this because
A) Episode 3 takes place in 19 BBY, while ANH takes place at 0 BBY/ABY, and we See the Milenium Falcon on coruscant at the time, so the trip could not have taken 25 years.
B) George Lucas himself stated that Han was telling the truth about the 12 parsecs, and that it was not a mistake as Hyperdrive speeds take into account route efficiency in their navicomps, he also finds the "Maw" explanation unnecessary. So he has made regular 12 parsec trips.
Perion 1 year ago
C) Obi-wan made a round trip of 101,000 Lightyears in Episode 2, and most of the time he was either held prisoner on Geonosis or making an inspection on Kamino.
D) The Malevolence made a 10 parsec trip in minutes, causing Grievous to lament "They told me this ship was Fast!" it would take the fastest federation vessel days to make a trip of that distance, not minutes.
warp 9.999 is only possible for starfleet subspace radio communications with boosted relays, NOT for their ships
Perion 1 year ago
@22cevans It depends on who's writing the story.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater not really, since there are absolute stats on the capabilities of their technologies etc, so the only thing that depends on the person who's writing the story in determining who is stronger is if the person accepts or ignores the official stats.
But comparing official stats show the Empire to be vastly superior.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Dude, all you seem to do is go around YouTube anoying anybody who is trying to enjoy theseTrek/Wars video. You are such a nerd that you make other nerds and geeks feel uneasy. Did it ever occure to you that nobody cares who is "more powerful" and that we would simply like to enjoy the work of a fellow youtuber. So just fuck off, and quit ruining everybody else's fun.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater In case you didn't notice 22cevans asked me directly, so obviously people DO care, that it makes you feel uneasy is your problem, not mine.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion This time, but how many times have you crapped on videos because they weren't accurat to the Tech books you have at home. Do you want to know who would win if the Empire invaded Federation space? I will tell you. It would be the Federation, Do you know why? I will tell you that too. Because the UFP's are the good guys and in the long run the good guys always win in the movies, thats why.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater fewer times than you would think,
lmao don't give me that "good guys always win", bs. The Empire would clean their clocks, no question.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion You are a jack ass, laugh that out loud.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
@McMahonHater I'm with you on that
22cevans 1 year ago
@Perion Except one thing: Turbolasers don't explode that big. You, and your "tech manuals" lie.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
You know, I'm a nerd, and proud of it, otherwise I wouldn't have put this up here in the first place. But you guys make me look like the coolest guy ever by comparison.
Meleth28 2 years ago
only in your mind I'm afraid.
Perion 2 years ago 2
@Meleth28 I am a tried and true Trekkie, I think it is better then Star Wars simply because I find the main characters more believable. Star Wars is cool, Jedi's are cool... a Vulcan Jedi would rule. However I think Star Wars people are way to series, even more then Trekkies. Hell, some, put Jedi down as there religion for fuck sakes.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
and then a field of nano robots takes over the galaxy by posing as simple space dust.
oh, sorry i broke your sci-fi :<
nazgul60 2 years ago
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trekkie911 2 years ago
nice
freid001 2 years ago
Yeah I have to agree.. large ships are helpless under the threat of fighters. I'm going to guess you're biased on trek if you're going to ignore common sense in naval combat.
onigojira 2 years ago
Naval combat does not apply to space craft, and space fighters have a far larger enemy to deal with, the laws of physics.
2771 2 years ago
Yes it does. Smaller attack craft in large numbers will always have the advantage over much larger ones in far smaller numbers.
That and the NX-01 isnt exactly a power house in sci-fi.. Probably wouldnt even need tie bombers to take out that antique.
onigojira 2 years ago
No it does not, fighters only have an advantage against sea going ships because the operate in a different media then ships. Space fighters would not have any advantage at all, in fact they would not be faster or more agile. Naval combat does not apply at all, no more then it does in air combat.
2771 2 years ago
except the killers of the battleships, the bombers, cant really juke and twist during their attack run.
They are better because they are considerably harder to hit even with targeting mechanisms, much cheaper, and can carry enough of a payload to hit with similar strength to their target.
That and their smaller mass makes them more fuel efficient, allowing them to attain greater acceleration in space during their attack run to make them even more difficult targets.
onigojira 2 years ago
I think you should read up on it, thermal targeting means that is is no harder to lock on then a small ship then it is to lock on to a larger one, in space any maneuvers use up fuel, the smaller ships have less fuel and believe it or not their acceleration is not any more then what a large ship can do. There is nothing you can do with a space fighter that a missile can't do cheaper, better, and with far less risk to life and limb.
2771 2 years ago
problem is ECM and jamming, and point defense, Starfighters in Star Wars are useful but only when the shields on a capital ship are brought down, which has to be done via another capital ship or VAST numbers of bombers, remember in Star Wars they have used big ships for thousands of years, and Fighters for that same period of time, as a result, BOTH have become imperative, Fighters Complement capital ships, but Fighters alone cannot bring one down unless you send hundreds or thousands of them.
Perion 2 years ago 2
but yeah people need to realize that those globes are NOT shield generators... they are scanners and the shields were brought down by the Mon cal fleet, which even one ship of the Mon Cal fleet has more firepower than all the ships that fought in the dominion war combined.
Perion 2 years ago
The Tie fighters alone would be able to tear that piece of shit a new ass hole.
PaterTuus 2 years ago
totally, considering the phase cannons are only what, 600 megajoules at most? a TIE fighter's guns are well into the Terawatt range.
Perion 2 years ago 2
wait, no, 600 gigajoules, off by an order of magnitude there, still no match for a TIE fighter though.
Perion 2 years ago 3