Some Christians try to link the laminin diagram to the pole/serpent Moses lifted up, then link that to the cross and then to laminin. They don't realize there is a difference between the Wand of Hermes/Mercury and the Rod of Asclepius. Laminin is shaped like the Caduceus of Hermes with double helix snakes on a staff surmounted by wings. However, both the pole of Moses & Rod of Asclepius have only one coiled snake on a staff. Don't let them turn a single coiled snake into a winged double helix.
@federalD Why is it that the Bible is one religious text that has fulfilled its prophesies? And why do you think its fake if Christianity is the one religion that archeologists are beginning to find proof that the Bible is true? Fact is that there is ONE TRUE GOD and that He loves you. I can't force you to love Him back but He created you and He loves you. No matter how much you resent it, He always will. It's your decision to make and I can't control that but what I say is based solely on fact.
@drummer14211 how can a god that loves me be willing to let me burn in hell for all of eternity if he loves me so much? does he not tell us that we have to forgive everyone that does wrong to us? why would god not follow his own rules? Based solely on fact?? what facts do you have my friend??
@federalD The Holy Bible IS a credible source. How hard would it be for 60 different authors ever thousands of years and across multiple continents write about the EXACT same story, where all prophecies written at the beginning of the Bible were fulfilled thousands of years later in the New Testament. The odds of that happening are so slim that numbers couldn't even calculate it. So tell me that the Word of God is "meaningless".
Cool, so god DID know about the plan to kill his son BEFORE he created adam. Nice.
There it is then... it's in the proof. God is truly the slave-driving bigot who told us exactly how much to sell those less fortunate than us... Oh yeah, and how to stone people for "wrong doing" as well. Go team. And now, I must get back to reading this fantastic book.
God is a God of faith. Those of us that believe don't need PROOF! That cancels faith. THIS life is the illusion. The forever after is reality! If you believe that when you die it just goes blank. it will. for you! If you are right and we both die.. then neither one of us have anything to lose... BUT!..... If I am right then you LOSE! Either way I have NOTHING to lose. YOU DO. YOU have a 50/50 chance of losing an eternity whereas I dont.. Now put that figure into your equation Mr Scientist.
I can't believe people still think Pascal's Wager is a good argument. First, there are more than just two possibilities. The possibilities are: no god, your god, Vishnu, Krishna, Apollo, Zeus, Hermes, a god that no one has ever conceived of, or every god that anyone has or could conceive of. Secondly, even if there were only two possibilities, that would not make the likelihood of either option being true equal. Simple logic dictates that some possibilities are less likely than others.
Anyways, it's not a matter of logistics, it's just a matter of fact. Either I'm right, along with thousands of others throughout the world and throughout history, or I'm wrong, along with thousands of others throughout history. I'm pretty sure I'm right. You seem to disagree. But don't pretend to think that the ancient polytheistic religions are plausible. You're obviously an atheist. Tell me why, if you please.
I don't pretend to think that any religious belief that I've heard of is plausible. The question is, what proof do you have that all of those other gods do not exist? What reason do you have to reject their existence that is not also reason to reject your own god?
By the way, Vishnu is the God of Hinduism, which is modern and monotheistic.
@federalD "My own God" gave me a book that tells me that he is the only God, that other gods of this world that humans create are just idols and a waste of time. This same God has shown me His power, truth, and love through the many times I've witnessed a miracle, met an interesting or amazing person, felt His presence when I pray or read Christian literature, or even just heard a really great song. So really, He's proved it all to me Himself.
Your claim of witnessing miracles or communicating with your God is common throughout all faiths. Any fervent Hinduist will tell you that he/she has felt the presence of Krishna and has seen miracles performed by him. People in Hellenistic Greece would swear that the gods were personally interacting with them every single day. While I agree that these people are/were delusional, you have nothing that distinguishes you from any other deluded believer, or your faith from any other.
@federalD People of Hellinistic greece worshipped gods of pleasure. There's one difference. Their gods made them feel good. God, on the other hand, commands us to sacrifice our earthly comforts in order to serve Him and store up treasures in heaven. Pleasure to the ancient Greeks was as real to them as it is to you and I today. A divine pleasure in serving the Lord is another thing entirely. I don't know much about Hindu, though.
@xothecherryontopxo I've noticed that the majority of believers, including the majority of Christians, worship an image of God that makes them feel good. Most people don't like the fact that a lot of people, good and bad, don't get what they deserve, so their idea of God alleviates that by invoking a "divine justice" of some sort or another. Another interesting thing is that this idea of divine justice almost always aligns perfectly with each person's individual idea of justice, and few agree.
@federalD How can people disagree on what justice is? C'mon, you know better than that. Justice is, pure and simple, when someone who has done wrong is punished for that wrong-doing. It's the same everywhere. What does vary, however, is what people believe to be right or wrong.
@federalD For example, many religions teach that homosexuality is wrong. If two guys are doing the nasty, I really couldn't care less, and I certainly wouldn't be offended or feel violated. But God is offended, because that's not what we're made for. It's kinda like how, in Shrek, Fiona gave him her handkerchief, and he blew his nose on it and gave it back to her. That's not what she gave it to him for.
@xothecherryontopxo Okay. So while you disagree with your idea of a god, you simultaneously worship it as this all-wise, omniscient, perfect being. How exactly does that make any sense whatsoever?
@federalD I didn't say I disagree with my idea of God, I said that I don't care if people are gay. It doesn't bother me a bit. But the sin of extra-marital sex is bad. I disagree with that. I just wouldn't turn my back on a friend because they came out or got knocked up or something.
@federalD So you were talking about divine justice before. Anyways, what I meant was that God has an idea of justice, too, and He gets His payback in the end. It doesn't bother me about gay people, but it bothers God, and He judges them. I mean, if it were me, I'd let them walk, but it's not my call. It's wrong, and they'll get punished for it. Just like I'll get paid back for every F-bomb I've ever dropped.
@federalD My point being that it's not just a Christian's idea of justice that I believe in, but God's idea of right and wrong. Some days I don't really think I would be in the wrong for cussing out my step-mom, especially if she totally deserved it. I think God would disagree with me, though. And I don't want to be there, because I can't beat God.
I love a good argument as much as any heathen. I would love to match wits with you. Can you prove me wrong? Maybe I can change your mind.
The truth is, atheism is as much a faith as anything else out there. You believe with all your heart that there's nothing more than meets the eye, so to speak. I'm am a Christian, and I truly know the power of God, felt it flood my body, and can say without a doubt in my mind that He is real.
Then again, you could say the same for what you believe.
I can't prove a religious belief wrong, nor do I have to. If I'm not mistaken, you are the one claiming that there is a sentient, all powerful being that is completely undetectable by any practical means, with no explanation as to how it came to be. The reason I don't accept this idea is that this being would have to be incomprehensibly complex. My rejection of this claim is reasonable, considering the fact that I have not seen any evidence supporting it. Go read about Russell's Teapot.
Furthermore, belief is not subject to will. Even if your odds were the slightest bit valid, I could not choose to believe something based on an assessment of risk regardless of whether or not I claimed to believe it. I would have to be shown sufficient evidence that would give me no choice but to believe. I think that you should re-examine your own beliefs and determine if you actually believe this absolute nonsense or are just telling yourself that you believe because you're afraid.
There is NO risk. Unless you come from a culture that hates Christians, like Islam, for example, there's nothing to lose. Sure, you might have give up partying, drugs, sex, crime, etc., but you're also giving up brain deterioration, low self-esteem, a possible STI or two, jail time, and family shame.
And of course belief has nothing to do with will. It's LUCK, brother! My name has been written in the book of life since time began, and it might not even be the same name I have now,
No... belief is not subject to luck either. In fact, that is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Belief is acceptance of a proposition as true with a high degree of certainty, depending on what has been done to convince you of the proposition's validity.
@federalD Not really in this case. It's the LUCKY ones whose names will be written in the book of life before we are ever conceived This is one case that we don't really have that much control over. Like you said before about an "Illusion of free-will", this is one situation where you're right. When I was fifteen, I made the CHOICE to give my life to Jesus, but really, he had already claimed me as his own before I was ever born. I didn't realize it until I made the choice to follow Him, though.
But that doesn't mean that you can just assume that yours isn't. I wouldn't have believed four years ago that I would be a Christ follower one day, just like you don't think so of yourself.
To be honest with you, I know my name is in the book of life, but that's all I know. I don't know what I'll do in the nest year that I will have to confess, and neither do you. It's not right to go around with a finalist's attitude, believing that God already knows everything and the future is set in stone
because, even though it's true the God knows what you'll do next, and what I will, we don't, and these are the choices that WE make. We are still in control.
That's the problem I have with you people of faith, you don't even think for a moment about what you believe. It is not possible for someone to know everything about the future and for there to simultaneously be free will. There is the illusion of free will because choices exist, but if one does not have the ability to alter the future in a way that the omniscient one doesn't already know about, then there is no such thing as free will.
@federalD It's free will because He doesn't control our choices, He just know what we will choose to do. There's no illusion, and it's not rocket science. He knows what we're gonna do, but it's still our choice.
If someone knows how our entire life is going to play out, then it is impossible for free will to exist. It may not necessarily mean that this same entity controls us, but obviously something predetermines our choices and the course of our entire life. You're just throwing the idea of free will in front of this to justify your belief that it's right for some people to be tortured for eternity after they die. If you gave the slightest bit of critical thought to this you'd see how ludicrous it is.
@federalD Well, sure, something does often predetermine our choices. Things like our own personality, our lifestyle and where we live, and so on. And actually, it's right for ALL OF US to suffer for eternity after we die. But God is love and grace and just, so He doesn't want us to, that's why He provided a way for us to be with Him instead.Now THAT, my friend, IS ludicrous.
It's apologetics, since you know your greek so well. It doesn't prove anything. It adds evidence that there is an intelligent creator that designed us and is keeping us together. And, Mr. FederalD, 150 years of research on what topic? I really would like to know.
The 150 years of research that has established the origin of the diversity of life and the theory that is the fundamental organizing principle of all modern biology, the research that has more than doubled the expected lifespan of human beings and saved at least as many lives as those taken by religious zealots who felt it was their mission to murder those who didn't believe as they did.
Now, what is keeping this intelligent creator together, what designed it?
That still doesn't tell me anything at all. What was the "Theory", what tests were performed, what were the results, who were the scientists? Do YOU know?
It's the evolutionary theory. It makes specific predictions about the origin of the diversity of life, and they are tested and confirmed independently, repeatedly, and precisely through genetics, paleontology, biology, and a slew of other sciences. No, I'm not aware of every detail that science has covered in terms of the theory but you have the Internet at your fingertips. Read what the National Academy of Science has to say about the Evolutionary theory.
@federalD You mean about the small changes within a species? Sure, I'll give you that. Like how all different breeds of dogs have the same DNA because they all come from wolves. The evolutionary theory, though, that people-human beings- evolved from chimpanzees is a little silly. Humans and chimpanzees are two different species entirely, no matter how similar we are. Do you remember the human genome project? They discovered that all humans, from all over and from all races, all have human DNA.
@federalD Even though we all come from different races, we're all related, and can produce offspring according to our kind. Chimpanzees are not related tyo humans. They proved it during WWII when in a soviet concentration camp, they tried to mate a human woman with a male chimpanzee, and also an human male with a female chimpanzee. They tried it several times, and they proved that none of the subjects involved were infertile. It didn't work, because humans can't mate with chimpanzees.
At this point there's probably no point iin even trying to help you understand wiht your level of delusion, but I'll try anyways.
The evolutionary theory makes no claim that humans can mate with other primates. Chimpanzees can't mate with Orangutans, nor with other primates. This does not prove that the two species are not related. You haven't even a rudimentary understanding of what the evolutionary theory claims. As I said, read what the National Academy of Sciences has to say.
Depends on which god. The point he was making in this video is that ambiguity leads to misinterpretation due to pareidolia. But if it takes faith to reject the claims made by believers, then it takes faith to believe that Allah, Zeus, Apollo, Krishna, Vishnu, Xenu, and all other concepts people have ever had of a god do not exist. If you took a moment to understand why you reject all of these other gods, if it's for a good reason, you might see why it makes sense for him to reject yours.
All I'm simply saying is that life takes faith. Whether you're an evolutionist or a creationist or in between whatever you believe is not 100% proven fact. Therefore for you to truly believe it takes faith. I just don't understand why instead of researching and trying to prove evolution is the right way without a doubt, many non-believers just attack christianity blindly without reason. No one wins here because no one has facts to persuade others with reason. I don't understand arguing about it.
there is a God. his son Jesus died on the cross during the feast of passover. he rose from the dead 3 days after just as he said he would. and besides that there is no proof or even evidence that God does not exist. the fact that we are all here should be proof enough because... how the heck could a non-living thing like hmm... a ROCK be turned into an organism that moves and can reproduce...
Prove that Zeus, Allah, Vishnu, Krishna, Apollo, and the thousands of other gods that have been worshipped over the course of history, without, at the same time, proving that your particular god does not exist. Then, maybe, you'll have grounds to say "OWNED EAT IT!!!" But right now, the fact that there is no evidence available to disprove the existence of an undetectable and undefined being, and the mere fact that we exist does not prove your god, or any other for that matter.
the bible is well over 4,000 years old. if it is so valuable that it has lasted so long, there must be truth in it... as far as i know there is no book that preaches that any of the thousands of other Gods have done anything good for us!
Well then your knowledge does not reach very far. Read the bhagavad gita, and learn of all of the many things that Krishna has supposedly given us. Read any "holy" book and learn of the many good things that each book's respective god/s have supposedly done for us.
The bible's age has nothing to do with it's validity. Try actually pointing out these supposed truths and you'll see that they fall short when submitted to scrutiny.
hey man im 14 years old and i don't exaclty know everything but i do know one thing, that it says in the bible that jesus died and rose again... and that IS completely valid. i'm no scholar, but it does say in the bible that every country will think Israel has no right to exist and Iraq has already, as a country, denied that the israelites should even exist. when everyone is against Israel, soon after all the Christians will be called home... to heaven
o yea and there is no, what is considered proof by everyone, that God exists, Christianity is a faith... a FAITH... look faith up in the dictionary...
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
See, I actually care if my beliefs are true, that's why I exercise critical thought and reason when determining my beliefs. Faith is not a way to ascertain truth, it's a way to rationalize beliefs that you can't justify or defend.
@lubbinsj13 I don't think FederalD is a scholar, either. I've been debating this with him for weeks. He just uses a lot of big words to make him look smart and intimidating. I wouldn't be surprised if he was still in high school. But maybe we'll talk some sense into him and make a Lee Strobel out of him after all.
@federalD Hey, let me ask you something. Are you some kind of religions major or something? I mean, if you're an atheist, why else would you have read all these otehr books from these different religions, and know so much about ancient greek and roman gods, and hindu and all that. And if you are a religions major, why are you and athiest? Something must have jumped out at you by now. If your not a religion major, as I suppose you're not, how do you know all about other religions?
@xothecherryontopxo I studied religion when I was a Christian in order to strengthen my faith against others, knowing (at the time) that my particular beliefs would stand out among other religions and resonate as truth . When I discovered that many of the ideas, claims, commandments, and actions taken by God in the Bible are demonstrably inaccurate, immoral, and at some points just absurd, I found the rationalizations for them lacking, and began losing faith by applying reason to my beliefs.
@federalD I think I know what you are talking about: You mean how some people God knew weren't saved and He used them as pawns, like the egyptian pharoah from exodus? This is what I was talking about before when I said that those of us who are saved are "Lucky", and that we don't have very much control over our salvation.
@federalD Ephesians 2:8 says "For it is by graceyou have been saved, through faith-and even this is not from yourselves, but it is the gift of God". Some people don't get that gift, and they don't get it because God chooses not to give it to them. It was a hard concept for me, too. I thought it was the most horrible thing, and I went home and cried on my pillow. But God revealed to me that as The Almighty, it is onle His place to make that choice, and not mine.
@federalD He showed me that I had to trust Him, even though I don't understand why He saves some people while He lets the great majority die. Now, I'm very grateful that I'm one of the saved, because I know the chances were against me, but by His grace I am saved. I am terrified for the people who won't be.
@xothecherryontopxo I do not attempt to cut down anyone's faith. Rather, I attempt to make people think and apply reason to their beliefs. For hundreds of years people have killed, and died, for their beliefs. Christians have even fought wars amongst themselves, killing each other over petty differences. There are an estimated 38000 - yes, thousand - denominations of Christianity, many of which contradict each other on major points of doctrine, including whether Jesus was God or not.
@federalD Just because there are a lot of different denominations of christianity doesn't mean that it's unreliable. If any of those denominations contradict the bible, however, as I know many of them do, then those are unreliable. But there are different denominations of christianity because it says in the bible that the church is the body of christ. "the church" collecteively represents Jesus' followers, from all the different denominations.
@xothecherryontopxo Not a single one of the 38000 denominations of christianity believes that they are in contradiction to the bible because they all have their own interpretation of the book, which is a testament to how vague, inaccurate, and poorly written book it is.
@federalD Of course they don't believe that they are contradicting the bible. I know what you're talking about, and it's for this reason that I won't commit to a denomination, or even become a member of my own church.
@federalD What some of these churches do is the focus on a specific teaching in the bible: for example, the catholic church will focus on communion and confession, but they disregard paul's letter where he told the church in rome "What shall we say then? Shall we go on sinning, so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?"
The idea is for us to try our best to be christ-like, but when we mess up, God is here for us.
@federalD Then there's the snake handling churches, who think that if they die in a service [a service to God] they will go directly to heaven, because in the bible it says "for he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways". However, in seeming contradiction to this statement, the book of deuteronomy also says "Do not test the lord your God". Deuteronomy is a law book, but I'm sure you knew that.
@federalD A lot of modern denominations DO ignore many commands in scripture, but as many that do, other churches don't. There are many modern denominations that DON'T ignore scripture teachings, and they seem very different from each other. They don't all contradict scripture, only that their worship styles and ministry focus vary
@federalD . In those cases, it's just where one feels most comfortable, whether in a worship service where people interact with the preacher during the sermon, or where one is expected to stay silent during the sermon, or whether during worship singing does one move around in the aisles and bring down the house, or lift their hands or kneel, or just sing along with the congregation.
@federalD We need all the different denomintaions to make up the whole body. My church is a christian missionary alliance church, with a focus on missions and serving in the community. There are other churches that focus on other things. My point being that you can't have a whole body made up of just the hands and feet. You gotta have the eyes and ears and mouth and heart and all the other parts to make the whole.
@federalD here's the thing, if a denomination is claiming that Jesus is not God, I don't care what the denomination, or particular church is called, or what any of its other beliefs are, if they claim that, then its NOT a Christian denomination. The basic belief of Christianity is in the Trinity, God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and that the Son, Jesus Christ was sent to earth to die for our sins and rise again.
@cdeutsch82 This is what's called the no true Scotsman fallacy. You're claiming that if a denomination that identifies itself as Christian does not subscribe to your particular interpretation of Christianity, they are not "true" Christians. Are you aware that many of those Christians who claim that Jesus is separate from God would also say that you are not a "true" Christian, because you don't believe as they do? How would one know which one is right? Without evidence, they both appear wrong.
@federalD true Christianity is based soley on the Word of God-the Holy Bible-and the Bible states over and over that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are not separate, they are one and the same, each a part of the same whole. that isnt up for debate. the very first verse of the Bible even gives reference to Jesus.
@cdeutsch82 You have yet to establish that the bible is a credible source of truth. You've also yet to establish that your god exists in the first place. Until you do, the phrase "Word of God" is meaningless, especially considering the fact that the English versions of the bible are riddled with inconsistencies and absurdities.
@federalD And like xothecherryontopxo says, each part of the Trinity has a specific purpose, but they are all God, Jesus is just as much God as the Father or the Holy Spirit.
@cdeutsch82 However, before we begin discussing which is the "true" Christianity, you should give me a reason to even accept that your god - or any other god for that matter - even exists. If you can't establish that as a basis, there's no point in even having a discussion about denominations.
@xothecherryontopxo They cannot all be right. And the evidence, or lack there of, gives me no choice but to believe that they are all most likely wrong, along with every other belief in a god or gods. If theists would use their ability to reason, as opposed to walking blindly by their faith, I think most would agree, and realize that they don't have to wake up early every Sunday morning to go apologize for being born a human, in fear of being eternally tortured because of a God who "loves" them.
@federalD Well, actually, there is a lot of evidence in favor of Jesus' resurection, historical evidence that matches up with that in the bible, not to mention the evidences that can be gained from personal experience.
@federalD Like this morning, for example: I was riding my bike to church, and once I got there, I had realized that I had lost my wallet. After panicking for a few minutes, I settled down enough to pray with two other women there with me, then we backtracked down the way I had come until we found it lying in the road.
@federalD My ID and social card and everything were in there, and I could've had my identy stolen and all sorts of countless horrors. Maybe you don't see this as a miracle, but at the very least, it sure was lucky. Anyway, have you ever heard of Lee Strobel? He was an athiest reporter who thought science and evolution proved that thers was no God.
@xothecherryontopxo *facepalm* Praying to find your wallet and then employing a logical method of looking for it is the equivalent of having a headache, taking an aspirin, praying for it to clear up, and then attributing it to god when it does, ambiguous and illogical. Divine intervention would have been if your wallet suddenly appeared in front of you while you were praying.
@federalD You're right. I should've mentioned that it was raining, though. In my town, there's potholes all over the place, and in rain, that means puddles. Where I found it was actually on a bridge, an elevated part of the road, with no puddles. That's what I saw as miraculous, and even you have to admit, lucky. It could've fallen into any old puddle on the side of the road, but it didn't
@federalD But when his wife became a christian and started going to church, he started to notice changes in her personality: she was more petient with the kids, was less anxious, and so on. He started to wonder what had gotten into her. So, being a reporter, he did some intensive investigating over the course of several years.
@federalD He was able to pile up so much evidence in favor of Christ's resurection, and only a few facts that seemed to prove otherwise. He eventually just sat down and made a list of everything. The evidence was stacked in favor for Christ. His book, which tells all about it, is called the case for a creator. There's also "the case for Christ" and "The case for faith".
@federalD But you're right about that last part: You don't have to wake up early and apologize for being human. That's for the Jews and Catholics. All you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior. You really don't even have to do anything different after that, though you should. You said you "Used to be" a christian. Salvation doesn't ever change.
[8] And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
[9] And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
Aside from that, you missed the entire point of the video. It's not that Laminin looks like anything. It's the fact that Laminin is a protein that barely looks like a modern symbol. It is mind bogglingly ignorant to think that it is a "message from god" when it is naught more than a protein performing a function in our bodies.
Staff of Hermes is based on Moses holding brass serpent up to heal from fiery serpent bites in wilderness, not Greek gods. Moses was well before Babylonian, Persian, and Greek Empire, much as the DNA helix was before Moses... sigh
The caduceus symbol originated between 4000 and 3000 BCE. Israelites supposedly recieved the Torah from mount sinai in 1313 BCE. So tell me dan, how did Greek theology steal the idea from moses' brass serpent two to three THOUSAND years before the books of Moses even came to be?
Don't be ignorant, it's obvious that the books of Moses, and many of the other books of the bible, co-opted numerous ideas from older religions.
just got to say yeah that other symbol has a double helix, thats the only similarity it is has, dont give me crap about the wings, they are separate, and look and creation and its complexity, ask how things work, look at how complex the "simple cell" is and tell me that all of it came from an accident, that means that our thoughts are accidental by-products if thats true i dont see a reason to believe that 1 accident can give a full correct acount of all the other accidents
- Professor Harvard University - Biology - Nobel Prize Biology 1971 " When it comes to the origin of life, we have only 2 possibilities as to how life arose. There is no thrird possibility. One is spontanious generation arising to evolution. The other is a supernatural creative act of God.
Spontanious generation was SCIENTIFICALLY DISPROVED 100 years ago by Louis Pasteur. Lazzaro Spallanzani, and others. That leads us SCIENTIFICALLY to only one possible conclusion. That life arose as a supernatural creative action of God. I will not accept that PHILOSOPHICALLY, because i do not want to believe in God. Therefore i chose to believe in that which i know is SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE - spontanious generation arising to evolution. "
Actually it has been shown that it's possible for life to come from non-life. You should join us in the 21st century.
Even if abiogenesis was impossible, that would not prove that your God created life, or a conscious entity at all. You have to provide proof first. [A] being impossible does not automatically prove that [B] is right. That is absurd.
Also, please explain and prove how a being that, by definition, would have to be more complex than the UNIVERSE ITSELF came into existence.
or it means that god is cool and put some tiny crosses in us and also placed the earth and the so we can see the wirpool galxy perpendicular and look into the bloack hole in the center and see a cross. and why do peolpe who belive in nothing or scinence want religous people to stop bevling in what they do? who gives a crap about long words like 'pareidoliac' wow we can now say what problem we think you might have, man they spent there time well. i like monkeys
you're a total moron. did you even read my post before you comment.
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I will not accept that PHILOSOPHICALLY, because i do not want to believe in God. Therefore i chose to believe in that which i know is SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE - spontanious generation arising to evolution
Err, no. First of all, your comment is unclear because it contradicts itself, and ends with a quotation mark, so I did not understand what you were saying. You first say that because abiogenesis is supposedly impossible, God must have created the universe, then you contradict that. Be more clear. However, my response to you claiming that abiogenesis is impossible was that it was proven that abiogenesis is possible under certain circumstances, and that you should join us in the 21st century.
the quotation marks should give it away. It's a quote.
woosh eh?
and the 2nd thing abiogenesis has NOT been proved possible. because outside conditions were varied. That, no matter how much you want it to be, is not abiogenesis
There was ONE quotation mark at the END of your comment. It was therefore not clear what part of the comment was a quote.
During the experiment that was supposed to prove abiogenesis possible, amino acids, the building clocks of life, DID come from non-life. Therefore proving that abiogenesis is possible. What they discovered that was incorrect about the experiment was that the atmospheric conditions on primordial earth were different from those used in the experiment.
lol u sorta prove ur self rong. but i not dobting you i belice everyone should have a choice and free will over what they belive so would everyone stop this rubbish porapganda like crap, about reilgion and leave people only or discuss this with you friends or in forms where poeple are o.k with aguing and talking about. ( i clicked on this link by random choice) I love you all (not bi) XD
When do aussies say 'crikey' and do you have a lisp cause when i say crikey it sounds more like cricket than christ. but hay you think what you wanna i still sticking with god. FLYING POODLE SHORTS
i agree with hyperbulle. you are completely brilliant. i am into greek mythology, but i would have never thought... never... i didn't even think that laminin was anything science related (well, maybe something god related; like an acrostic poem or something...) good for you. what is the name of the song, by the way... and... how in the name of the gods did you get so gods darned smart? oh well. gods bless.
I knew about Caduceus by complete chance, actually. I learned as much as I could about Hermes and Apollo, which also led me by chance to read about Apollonius. The shape is obviously much more like caduceus than it is like the cross.
Most of what I know is common knowledge, and should be to anyone that argues for or attempts to dispute evolution by natural selection, if you ask me.
I added you on AIM but I might have gotten your name wrong. My screen name is "Blackcracker2268". Hail Zeus.
I've been telling Xtians that even if Laminin was shaped like a cross, it has nothing to do with jesus.
JC was crucified on a stake or post. (Stauros not crux). It's a mistranslation. So the traditional Xtian cross is the symbol for the god Tammuz.. (the sacred Tau, as they say). The cross symbolizing the 1st letter in his name.
So all these centuries Xtians have been using the cross of Tammuz! I think it's hillarious!
What The fuzzulwazzel you makea no sense spell correctly( i know thats hyporctical but i'm 15 and dislexic). from what i can tell your saying that romans didn't crucafiy poeple on crosses and aktually a stake or poll. that make no sense, cos you die from cruifiction from stranglation which wouldn't work on a stake. and who the hell is Tammuz. We use the cross as a reminder of the stuffering Jesus went through. PLUS LAMIN AS A ACTUAL PHOTO DOSN'T HAVE A DOUBBLE HELIX> plus watch louie Giglio
Research? Research? Are you serious? Is that what you call that? lol Your own words discredit you. Who needs laminin to see evidence of God's existence? It's plastered all over the universe. Whatever happened to basic logic?
I would like to see the evidence that is "plastered" all over the universe, which I'm sure is nothing more than some convoluted interpretation of the facts bent to fit your worldview.
My apologies. I didn't know you were blind when I made my comments. Sorry. Now I'm really impressed that you can make any kind of video! lol.
Seriously, atheism is ridiculous so I'm not going to get dragged into the pseudo intellectual and philosophical arguments they use as a smoke screen. They average 5 old can see that God exists. I think that's why atheists work so hard on their arguments... that and the fact that silly arguments need all the help they can get.
The average american 5 year old is indoctrinated into a church by his or her parents at a younger age. They shove the idea of God into their head as hard as possible while their heads are still soft enough to believe it. Religious beliefs are nearly geographically divided. If you had been born in the middle east you would be a Muslim. 5 year old children are going to believe what they are told to believe. Wait until the child is 18, then show him a bible and see how much sense it makes to him.
You're describing my life, only I was 28 and not 18. Your point? I DECIDED to believe based on evidence. Proof? Certainly not, but evidence nonetheless. There is no proof.
What you believe takes faith just as much as what I believe. The difference is you have faith in different things. I have faith in an omniscient, omnipotent God. You have faith in yourself and your intellect.
If I'm wrong, what have I lost? If you're wrong...what have you lost? Your proposition seems risky.
If it turns out I do survive the death of my brain, and thus my nervous system, and somehow get a new body, and I am asked why I didn't believe in God, I will tell him simply that he did not provide a sufficient amount of evidence to convince the Jews and the Muslims and the Buddhists and the thousands of other religions, past and present, to believe in the Christian God, and while I disagree with their ideas about god, there must be some significant reason why they dismiss Christianity as false
UM, MUslims, Jews and Chirstains all belive in the same god. And about 50% of the worlds religoins belive in Jesus as some sort of prophet. AND if Science/Atheism is true what is wrong with:
murder, rape, mutalation, desrespect for the dead, the HOLOCAUST, and many other thing we have laws on. I LOVE THE MONKEY HEAD
There are contradictory conclusions regarding the nature and existence of god even within the dozens of different denominations of Christianity. Ranging from a very specific, anthropomorphic figure to an amorphous blob of an entity, so don't tell me that these faiths which contradict each other on major points all believe in the same god just because of a single coincidence.
So if I could prove that God didn't exist, you would immediately go out and start murdering and raping people?
Another difference is that 5 year old Muslim would be killed by his family if he decided to change religious beliefs...not so in a Christian household...
That's not really the point I was making. If the child had been born in India, he probably would have been a Buddhist. If he had been born in Ancient Greece, he actually would be worshipping Zeus and Hera and Hermes, if born in tribal africa, he would be worshipping the Great Juju at the bottom of the sea, to steal a quote from Richard Dawkins. What if we're all wrong about Zeus?
If I'm wrong, it doesn't mean you're right. That's the downfall of Pascal's Wager.
UM not all africains worship Juju and Indai more lickly to be Hindi, and different parts of ancient Greece worshiped different Gods. Just thought you might want to make a factful point. lol
Are you lots adults cos these seems quite sad for over 20's to be arguing on youtube. But a don't mind arguing but this seems a bit silly
Fed, you have some talent as a film maker. Nicely done!
I don't think laminin or it's scientific representation as a cross or it's electron microscope image as a cross is evidence of a creator. We've discussed that.
I am curious as to why you spend so much time denying a creator? I take it you are an atheist. That is your right. I'm not spending my time making videos debunking atheism.
Why so much effort to disprove something you don't believe exists?
What explained lightning before we understood how it happened? God. What explained the wind and currents of the ocean before we were able to understand them? God. Why did we think the Earth was flat for thousands of years before Christopher Columbus proved it to be round? The Bible.
The belief in a God that is intimately involved with the lives of its creations has held us back from truly understanding the world around us in order to cling to what I can only describe as a security blanket.
The problem with your statement is that many scientific discoveries (of old and currently) were made by Christians. Science and Christianity are not mutually exclusive. The political use of science has attempted to render them mutually exclusive but in reality they are not.
Not true. Thomas Edison, for instance, was a deist. There have been many scientists and inventors in the past that were deist, pantheist, agnostic, or even atheist, as well as there have been Christian scientists and inventors. However, nowadays, the Atheist:Christian ratio among scientists is nearly the reverse of that of the majority of society. Generally among more educated people, you find more atheists.
If it was simply a belief people used to make followers better as people, which it is for most, I attest, then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but when the belief is taken so seriously as fact with little or no evidence, and they condemn any idea against it which does have evidence by pointing out inaccuracies, and furthermore claiming those inaccuracies as proof of their beliefs, it almost prevents the filling of those holes.
Some Christians try to link the laminin diagram to the pole/serpent Moses lifted up, then link that to the cross and then to laminin. They don't realize there is a difference between the Wand of Hermes/Mercury and the Rod of Asclepius. Laminin is shaped like the Caduceus of Hermes with double helix snakes on a staff surmounted by wings. However, both the pole of Moses & Rod of Asclepius have only one coiled snake on a staff. Don't let them turn a single coiled snake into a winged double helix.
MySocksSmell2 1 year ago
@federalD Why is it that the Bible is one religious text that has fulfilled its prophesies? And why do you think its fake if Christianity is the one religion that archeologists are beginning to find proof that the Bible is true? Fact is that there is ONE TRUE GOD and that He loves you. I can't force you to love Him back but He created you and He loves you. No matter how much you resent it, He always will. It's your decision to make and I can't control that but what I say is based solely on fact.
drummer14211 1 year ago
@drummer14211 how can a god that loves me be willing to let me burn in hell for all of eternity if he loves me so much? does he not tell us that we have to forgive everyone that does wrong to us? why would god not follow his own rules? Based solely on fact?? what facts do you have my friend??
Ch1naManChan 9 months ago
@federalD The Holy Bible IS a credible source. How hard would it be for 60 different authors ever thousands of years and across multiple continents write about the EXACT same story, where all prophecies written at the beginning of the Bible were fulfilled thousands of years later in the New Testament. The odds of that happening are so slim that numbers couldn't even calculate it. So tell me that the Word of God is "meaningless".
drummer14211 1 year ago
GREAT video! i love the song too.
DanRossiTV 1 year ago
Cool, so god DID know about the plan to kill his son BEFORE he created adam. Nice.
There it is then... it's in the proof. God is truly the slave-driving bigot who told us exactly how much to sell those less fortunate than us... Oh yeah, and how to stone people for "wrong doing" as well. Go team. And now, I must get back to reading this fantastic book.
brettlooney 1 year ago
Hermes was seen carrying this wand? I didn't seem him with it when he was on Leno last week.
Mhapple 1 year ago
God is a God of faith. Those of us that believe don't need PROOF! That cancels faith. THIS life is the illusion. The forever after is reality! If you believe that when you die it just goes blank. it will. for you! If you are right and we both die.. then neither one of us have anything to lose... BUT!..... If I am right then you LOSE! Either way I have NOTHING to lose. YOU DO. YOU have a 50/50 chance of losing an eternity whereas I dont.. Now put that figure into your equation Mr Scientist.
HutchNsuch 2 years ago
I can't believe people still think Pascal's Wager is a good argument. First, there are more than just two possibilities. The possibilities are: no god, your god, Vishnu, Krishna, Apollo, Zeus, Hermes, a god that no one has ever conceived of, or every god that anyone has or could conceive of. Secondly, even if there were only two possibilities, that would not make the likelihood of either option being true equal. Simple logic dictates that some possibilities are less likely than others.
federalD 1 year ago
You do know what conceive means, right?
Anyways, it's not a matter of logistics, it's just a matter of fact. Either I'm right, along with thousands of others throughout the world and throughout history, or I'm wrong, along with thousands of others throughout history. I'm pretty sure I'm right. You seem to disagree. But don't pretend to think that the ancient polytheistic religions are plausible. You're obviously an atheist. Tell me why, if you please.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
I don't pretend to think that any religious belief that I've heard of is plausible. The question is, what proof do you have that all of those other gods do not exist? What reason do you have to reject their existence that is not also reason to reject your own god?
By the way, Vishnu is the God of Hinduism, which is modern and monotheistic.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD "My own God" gave me a book that tells me that he is the only God, that other gods of this world that humans create are just idols and a waste of time. This same God has shown me His power, truth, and love through the many times I've witnessed a miracle, met an interesting or amazing person, felt His presence when I pray or read Christian literature, or even just heard a really great song. So really, He's proved it all to me Himself.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
Your claim of witnessing miracles or communicating with your God is common throughout all faiths. Any fervent Hinduist will tell you that he/she has felt the presence of Krishna and has seen miracles performed by him. People in Hellenistic Greece would swear that the gods were personally interacting with them every single day. While I agree that these people are/were delusional, you have nothing that distinguishes you from any other deluded believer, or your faith from any other.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD People of Hellinistic greece worshipped gods of pleasure. There's one difference. Their gods made them feel good. God, on the other hand, commands us to sacrifice our earthly comforts in order to serve Him and store up treasures in heaven. Pleasure to the ancient Greeks was as real to them as it is to you and I today. A divine pleasure in serving the Lord is another thing entirely. I don't know much about Hindu, though.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@xothecherryontopxo I've noticed that the majority of believers, including the majority of Christians, worship an image of God that makes them feel good. Most people don't like the fact that a lot of people, good and bad, don't get what they deserve, so their idea of God alleviates that by invoking a "divine justice" of some sort or another. Another interesting thing is that this idea of divine justice almost always aligns perfectly with each person's individual idea of justice, and few agree.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD How can people disagree on what justice is? C'mon, you know better than that. Justice is, pure and simple, when someone who has done wrong is punished for that wrong-doing. It's the same everywhere. What does vary, however, is what people believe to be right or wrong.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD For example, many religions teach that homosexuality is wrong. If two guys are doing the nasty, I really couldn't care less, and I certainly wouldn't be offended or feel violated. But God is offended, because that's not what we're made for. It's kinda like how, in Shrek, Fiona gave him her handkerchief, and he blew his nose on it and gave it back to her. That's not what she gave it to him for.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@xothecherryontopxo Okay. So while you disagree with your idea of a god, you simultaneously worship it as this all-wise, omniscient, perfect being. How exactly does that make any sense whatsoever?
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD I didn't say I disagree with my idea of God, I said that I don't care if people are gay. It doesn't bother me a bit. But the sin of extra-marital sex is bad. I disagree with that. I just wouldn't turn my back on a friend because they came out or got knocked up or something.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD So you were talking about divine justice before. Anyways, what I meant was that God has an idea of justice, too, and He gets His payback in the end. It doesn't bother me about gay people, but it bothers God, and He judges them. I mean, if it were me, I'd let them walk, but it's not my call. It's wrong, and they'll get punished for it. Just like I'll get paid back for every F-bomb I've ever dropped.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD My point being that it's not just a Christian's idea of justice that I believe in, but God's idea of right and wrong. Some days I don't really think I would be in the wrong for cussing out my step-mom, especially if she totally deserved it. I think God would disagree with me, though. And I don't want to be there, because I can't beat God.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
I love a good argument as much as any heathen. I would love to match wits with you. Can you prove me wrong? Maybe I can change your mind.
The truth is, atheism is as much a faith as anything else out there. You believe with all your heart that there's nothing more than meets the eye, so to speak. I'm am a Christian, and I truly know the power of God, felt it flood my body, and can say without a doubt in my mind that He is real.
Then again, you could say the same for what you believe.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
I can't prove a religious belief wrong, nor do I have to. If I'm not mistaken, you are the one claiming that there is a sentient, all powerful being that is completely undetectable by any practical means, with no explanation as to how it came to be. The reason I don't accept this idea is that this being would have to be incomprehensibly complex. My rejection of this claim is reasonable, considering the fact that I have not seen any evidence supporting it. Go read about Russell's Teapot.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD "This being" IS "Incomprehensibly complex".
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
Furthermore, belief is not subject to will. Even if your odds were the slightest bit valid, I could not choose to believe something based on an assessment of risk regardless of whether or not I claimed to believe it. I would have to be shown sufficient evidence that would give me no choice but to believe. I think that you should re-examine your own beliefs and determine if you actually believe this absolute nonsense or are just telling yourself that you believe because you're afraid.
federalD 1 year ago
There is NO risk. Unless you come from a culture that hates Christians, like Islam, for example, there's nothing to lose. Sure, you might have give up partying, drugs, sex, crime, etc., but you're also giving up brain deterioration, low self-esteem, a possible STI or two, jail time, and family shame.
And of course belief has nothing to do with will. It's LUCK, brother! My name has been written in the book of life since time began, and it might not even be the same name I have now,
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
No... belief is not subject to luck either. In fact, that is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Belief is acceptance of a proposition as true with a high degree of certainty, depending on what has been done to convince you of the proposition's validity.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD Not really in this case. It's the LUCKY ones whose names will be written in the book of life before we are ever conceived This is one case that we don't really have that much control over. Like you said before about an "Illusion of free-will", this is one situation where you're right. When I was fifteen, I made the CHOICE to give my life to Jesus, but really, he had already claimed me as his own before I was ever born. I didn't realize it until I made the choice to follow Him, though.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD Still, every choice I make, whether right or wrong, is still my choice, even though He already knows.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
But that doesn't mean that you can just assume that yours isn't. I wouldn't have believed four years ago that I would be a Christ follower one day, just like you don't think so of yourself.
To be honest with you, I know my name is in the book of life, but that's all I know. I don't know what I'll do in the nest year that I will have to confess, and neither do you. It's not right to go around with a finalist's attitude, believing that God already knows everything and the future is set in stone
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
because, even though it's true the God knows what you'll do next, and what I will, we don't, and these are the choices that WE make. We are still in control.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
That's the problem I have with you people of faith, you don't even think for a moment about what you believe. It is not possible for someone to know everything about the future and for there to simultaneously be free will. There is the illusion of free will because choices exist, but if one does not have the ability to alter the future in a way that the omniscient one doesn't already know about, then there is no such thing as free will.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD It's free will because He doesn't control our choices, He just know what we will choose to do. There's no illusion, and it's not rocket science. He knows what we're gonna do, but it's still our choice.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
If someone knows how our entire life is going to play out, then it is impossible for free will to exist. It may not necessarily mean that this same entity controls us, but obviously something predetermines our choices and the course of our entire life. You're just throwing the idea of free will in front of this to justify your belief that it's right for some people to be tortured for eternity after they die. If you gave the slightest bit of critical thought to this you'd see how ludicrous it is.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD Well, sure, something does often predetermine our choices. Things like our own personality, our lifestyle and where we live, and so on. And actually, it's right for ALL OF US to suffer for eternity after we die. But God is love and grace and just, so He doesn't want us to, that's why He provided a way for us to be with Him instead.Now THAT, my friend, IS ludicrous.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
It's apologetics, since you know your greek so well. It doesn't prove anything. It adds evidence that there is an intelligent creator that designed us and is keeping us together. And, Mr. FederalD, 150 years of research on what topic? I really would like to know.
xothecherryontopxo 2 years ago
The 150 years of research that has established the origin of the diversity of life and the theory that is the fundamental organizing principle of all modern biology, the research that has more than doubled the expected lifespan of human beings and saved at least as many lives as those taken by religious zealots who felt it was their mission to murder those who didn't believe as they did.
Now, what is keeping this intelligent creator together, what designed it?
federalD 1 year ago
That still doesn't tell me anything at all. What was the "Theory", what tests were performed, what were the results, who were the scientists? Do YOU know?
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
It's the evolutionary theory. It makes specific predictions about the origin of the diversity of life, and they are tested and confirmed independently, repeatedly, and precisely through genetics, paleontology, biology, and a slew of other sciences. No, I'm not aware of every detail that science has covered in terms of the theory but you have the Internet at your fingertips. Read what the National Academy of Science has to say about the Evolutionary theory.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD You mean about the small changes within a species? Sure, I'll give you that. Like how all different breeds of dogs have the same DNA because they all come from wolves. The evolutionary theory, though, that people-human beings- evolved from chimpanzees is a little silly. Humans and chimpanzees are two different species entirely, no matter how similar we are. Do you remember the human genome project? They discovered that all humans, from all over and from all races, all have human DNA.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD Even though we all come from different races, we're all related, and can produce offspring according to our kind. Chimpanzees are not related tyo humans. They proved it during WWII when in a soviet concentration camp, they tried to mate a human woman with a male chimpanzee, and also an human male with a female chimpanzee. They tried it several times, and they proved that none of the subjects involved were infertile. It didn't work, because humans can't mate with chimpanzees.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
At this point there's probably no point iin even trying to help you understand wiht your level of delusion, but I'll try anyways.
The evolutionary theory makes no claim that humans can mate with other primates. Chimpanzees can't mate with Orangutans, nor with other primates. This does not prove that the two species are not related. You haven't even a rudimentary understanding of what the evolutionary theory claims. As I said, read what the National Academy of Sciences has to say.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD If we were related, it would've worked.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
This is like cloud shapes.
You can find any shape you want in cellular masses if you look hard enough.
Finally, out of billions of possible shapes, Christians arrived at this?
Wow, so 1 shape out of billions proves what? I suppose you could find a unicorn shape it you looked hard enough!
ytuber28341 2 years ago
"Smote" is past tense. The correct word is "smite." (Yeah, I know it doesn't matter .. I'm just sayin' ... :-)
snicky58 2 years ago
Fed which takes more faith? To believe there is a God or to believe there isn't?
sdove022 2 years ago
Depends on which god. The point he was making in this video is that ambiguity leads to misinterpretation due to pareidolia. But if it takes faith to reject the claims made by believers, then it takes faith to believe that Allah, Zeus, Apollo, Krishna, Vishnu, Xenu, and all other concepts people have ever had of a god do not exist. If you took a moment to understand why you reject all of these other gods, if it's for a good reason, you might see why it makes sense for him to reject yours.
BlizzardPLUR 2 years ago
All I'm simply saying is that life takes faith. Whether you're an evolutionist or a creationist or in between whatever you believe is not 100% proven fact. Therefore for you to truly believe it takes faith. I just don't understand why instead of researching and trying to prove evolution is the right way without a doubt, many non-believers just attack christianity blindly without reason. No one wins here because no one has facts to persuade others with reason. I don't understand arguing about it.
sdove022 2 years ago
there is a God. his son Jesus died on the cross during the feast of passover. he rose from the dead 3 days after just as he said he would. and besides that there is no proof or even evidence that God does not exist. the fact that we are all here should be proof enough because... how the heck could a non-living thing like hmm... a ROCK be turned into an organism that moves and can reproduce...
OWNED EAT IT!!!
lubbinsj13 2 years ago
Prove that Zeus, Allah, Vishnu, Krishna, Apollo, and the thousands of other gods that have been worshipped over the course of history, without, at the same time, proving that your particular god does not exist. Then, maybe, you'll have grounds to say "OWNED EAT IT!!!" But right now, the fact that there is no evidence available to disprove the existence of an undetectable and undefined being, and the mere fact that we exist does not prove your god, or any other for that matter.
federalD 2 years ago
the bible is well over 4,000 years old. if it is so valuable that it has lasted so long, there must be truth in it... as far as i know there is no book that preaches that any of the thousands of other Gods have done anything good for us!
lubbinsj13 2 years ago
Well then your knowledge does not reach very far. Read the bhagavad gita, and learn of all of the many things that Krishna has supposedly given us. Read any "holy" book and learn of the many good things that each book's respective god/s have supposedly done for us.
The bible's age has nothing to do with it's validity. Try actually pointing out these supposed truths and you'll see that they fall short when submitted to scrutiny.
federalD 2 years ago
hey man im 14 years old and i don't exaclty know everything but i do know one thing, that it says in the bible that jesus died and rose again... and that IS completely valid. i'm no scholar, but it does say in the bible that every country will think Israel has no right to exist and Iraq has already, as a country, denied that the israelites should even exist. when everyone is against Israel, soon after all the Christians will be called home... to heaven
lubbinsj13 2 years ago
o yea and there is no, what is considered proof by everyone, that God exists, Christianity is a faith... a FAITH... look faith up in the dictionary...
lubbinsj13 2 years ago
I prefer Mark Twain's definition of faith:
"Faith is believing what you know ain't true."
I also like Benjamin Franklin's definition:
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
See, I actually care if my beliefs are true, that's why I exercise critical thought and reason when determining my beliefs. Faith is not a way to ascertain truth, it's a way to rationalize beliefs that you can't justify or defend.
federalD 2 years ago
@lubbinsj13 I don't think FederalD is a scholar, either. I've been debating this with him for weeks. He just uses a lot of big words to make him look smart and intimidating. I wouldn't be surprised if he was still in high school. But maybe we'll talk some sense into him and make a Lee Strobel out of him after all.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
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lubbinsj13 2 years ago
@federalD Hey, let me ask you something. Are you some kind of religions major or something? I mean, if you're an atheist, why else would you have read all these otehr books from these different religions, and know so much about ancient greek and roman gods, and hindu and all that. And if you are a religions major, why are you and athiest? Something must have jumped out at you by now. If your not a religion major, as I suppose you're not, how do you know all about other religions?
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@xothecherryontopxo I studied religion when I was a Christian in order to strengthen my faith against others, knowing (at the time) that my particular beliefs would stand out among other religions and resonate as truth . When I discovered that many of the ideas, claims, commandments, and actions taken by God in the Bible are demonstrably inaccurate, immoral, and at some points just absurd, I found the rationalizations for them lacking, and began losing faith by applying reason to my beliefs.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD I think I know what you are talking about: You mean how some people God knew weren't saved and He used them as pawns, like the egyptian pharoah from exodus? This is what I was talking about before when I said that those of us who are saved are "Lucky", and that we don't have very much control over our salvation.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD Ephesians 2:8 says "For it is by graceyou have been saved, through faith-and even this is not from yourselves, but it is the gift of God". Some people don't get that gift, and they don't get it because God chooses not to give it to them. It was a hard concept for me, too. I thought it was the most horrible thing, and I went home and cried on my pillow. But God revealed to me that as The Almighty, it is onle His place to make that choice, and not mine.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD He showed me that I had to trust Him, even though I don't understand why He saves some people while He lets the great majority die. Now, I'm very grateful that I'm one of the saved, because I know the chances were against me, but by His grace I am saved. I am terrified for the people who won't be.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD Do you have a lot of time on your hands, and cut down peoples faith as a part-time hobby?
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@xothecherryontopxo I do not attempt to cut down anyone's faith. Rather, I attempt to make people think and apply reason to their beliefs. For hundreds of years people have killed, and died, for their beliefs. Christians have even fought wars amongst themselves, killing each other over petty differences. There are an estimated 38000 - yes, thousand - denominations of Christianity, many of which contradict each other on major points of doctrine, including whether Jesus was God or not.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD Just because there are a lot of different denominations of christianity doesn't mean that it's unreliable. If any of those denominations contradict the bible, however, as I know many of them do, then those are unreliable. But there are different denominations of christianity because it says in the bible that the church is the body of christ. "the church" collecteively represents Jesus' followers, from all the different denominations.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@xothecherryontopxo Not a single one of the 38000 denominations of christianity believes that they are in contradiction to the bible because they all have their own interpretation of the book, which is a testament to how vague, inaccurate, and poorly written book it is.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD Of course they don't believe that they are contradicting the bible. I know what you're talking about, and it's for this reason that I won't commit to a denomination, or even become a member of my own church.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD What some of these churches do is the focus on a specific teaching in the bible: for example, the catholic church will focus on communion and confession, but they disregard paul's letter where he told the church in rome "What shall we say then? Shall we go on sinning, so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?"
The idea is for us to try our best to be christ-like, but when we mess up, God is here for us.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD Then there's the snake handling churches, who think that if they die in a service [a service to God] they will go directly to heaven, because in the bible it says "for he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways". However, in seeming contradiction to this statement, the book of deuteronomy also says "Do not test the lord your God". Deuteronomy is a law book, but I'm sure you knew that.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD A lot of modern denominations DO ignore many commands in scripture, but as many that do, other churches don't. There are many modern denominations that DON'T ignore scripture teachings, and they seem very different from each other. They don't all contradict scripture, only that their worship styles and ministry focus vary
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD . In those cases, it's just where one feels most comfortable, whether in a worship service where people interact with the preacher during the sermon, or where one is expected to stay silent during the sermon, or whether during worship singing does one move around in the aisles and bring down the house, or lift their hands or kneel, or just sing along with the congregation.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD We need all the different denomintaions to make up the whole body. My church is a christian missionary alliance church, with a focus on missions and serving in the community. There are other churches that focus on other things. My point being that you can't have a whole body made up of just the hands and feet. You gotta have the eyes and ears and mouth and heart and all the other parts to make the whole.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD here's the thing, if a denomination is claiming that Jesus is not God, I don't care what the denomination, or particular church is called, or what any of its other beliefs are, if they claim that, then its NOT a Christian denomination. The basic belief of Christianity is in the Trinity, God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and that the Son, Jesus Christ was sent to earth to die for our sins and rise again.
cdeutsch82 1 year ago
@cdeutsch82 This is what's called the no true Scotsman fallacy. You're claiming that if a denomination that identifies itself as Christian does not subscribe to your particular interpretation of Christianity, they are not "true" Christians. Are you aware that many of those Christians who claim that Jesus is separate from God would also say that you are not a "true" Christian, because you don't believe as they do? How would one know which one is right? Without evidence, they both appear wrong.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD true Christianity is based soley on the Word of God-the Holy Bible-and the Bible states over and over that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are not separate, they are one and the same, each a part of the same whole. that isnt up for debate. the very first verse of the Bible even gives reference to Jesus.
cdeutsch82 1 year ago
@cdeutsch82 You have yet to establish that the bible is a credible source of truth. You've also yet to establish that your god exists in the first place. Until you do, the phrase "Word of God" is meaningless, especially considering the fact that the English versions of the bible are riddled with inconsistencies and absurdities.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD And like xothecherryontopxo says, each part of the Trinity has a specific purpose, but they are all God, Jesus is just as much God as the Father or the Holy Spirit.
cdeutsch82 1 year ago
@cdeutsch82 However, before we begin discussing which is the "true" Christianity, you should give me a reason to even accept that your god - or any other god for that matter - even exists. If you can't establish that as a basis, there's no point in even having a discussion about denominations.
federalD 1 year ago
@xothecherryontopxo They cannot all be right. And the evidence, or lack there of, gives me no choice but to believe that they are all most likely wrong, along with every other belief in a god or gods. If theists would use their ability to reason, as opposed to walking blindly by their faith, I think most would agree, and realize that they don't have to wake up early every Sunday morning to go apologize for being born a human, in fear of being eternally tortured because of a God who "loves" them.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD Well, actually, there is a lot of evidence in favor of Jesus' resurection, historical evidence that matches up with that in the bible, not to mention the evidences that can be gained from personal experience.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD Like this morning, for example: I was riding my bike to church, and once I got there, I had realized that I had lost my wallet. After panicking for a few minutes, I settled down enough to pray with two other women there with me, then we backtracked down the way I had come until we found it lying in the road.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD My ID and social card and everything were in there, and I could've had my identy stolen and all sorts of countless horrors. Maybe you don't see this as a miracle, but at the very least, it sure was lucky. Anyway, have you ever heard of Lee Strobel? He was an athiest reporter who thought science and evolution proved that thers was no God.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@xothecherryontopxo *facepalm* Praying to find your wallet and then employing a logical method of looking for it is the equivalent of having a headache, taking an aspirin, praying for it to clear up, and then attributing it to god when it does, ambiguous and illogical. Divine intervention would have been if your wallet suddenly appeared in front of you while you were praying.
federalD 1 year ago
@federalD You're right. I should've mentioned that it was raining, though. In my town, there's potholes all over the place, and in rain, that means puddles. Where I found it was actually on a bridge, an elevated part of the road, with no puddles. That's what I saw as miraculous, and even you have to admit, lucky. It could've fallen into any old puddle on the side of the road, but it didn't
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD But when his wife became a christian and started going to church, he started to notice changes in her personality: she was more petient with the kids, was less anxious, and so on. He started to wonder what had gotten into her. So, being a reporter, he did some intensive investigating over the course of several years.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD He was able to pile up so much evidence in favor of Christ's resurection, and only a few facts that seemed to prove otherwise. He eventually just sat down and made a list of everything. The evidence was stacked in favor for Christ. His book, which tells all about it, is called the case for a creator. There's also "the case for Christ" and "The case for faith".
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD But you're right about that last part: You don't have to wake up early and apologize for being human. That's for the Jews and Catholics. All you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior. You really don't even have to do anything different after that, though you should. You said you "Used to be" a christian. Salvation doesn't ever change.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
@federalD Either you weren't truly saved before, or you're just wayward. Either way, I hope you change your mind about things, brother.
xothecherryontopxo 1 year ago
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Alkaline phosphatase (ALP) looks EXACTLY like the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
hogtiechamp 2 years ago
religion in general seems to be nonsence :)
chasebaenziger1 2 years ago
my two cents.... in the Bible, Numbers 21
[8] And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
[9] And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
danthemans 2 years ago
Aside from that, you missed the entire point of the video. It's not that Laminin looks like anything. It's the fact that Laminin is a protein that barely looks like a modern symbol. It is mind bogglingly ignorant to think that it is a "message from god" when it is naught more than a protein performing a function in our bodies.
federalD 2 years ago
Staff of Hermes is based on Moses holding brass serpent up to heal from fiery serpent bites in wilderness, not Greek gods. Moses was well before Babylonian, Persian, and Greek Empire, much as the DNA helix was before Moses... sigh
danthemans 2 years ago
lolno
The caduceus symbol originated between 4000 and 3000 BCE. Israelites supposedly recieved the Torah from mount sinai in 1313 BCE. So tell me dan, how did Greek theology steal the idea from moses' brass serpent two to three THOUSAND years before the books of Moses even came to be?
Don't be ignorant, it's obvious that the books of Moses, and many of the other books of the bible, co-opted numerous ideas from older religions.
federalD 2 years ago
just got to say yeah that other symbol has a double helix, thats the only similarity it is has, dont give me crap about the wings, they are separate, and look and creation and its complexity, ask how things work, look at how complex the "simple cell" is and tell me that all of it came from an accident, that means that our thoughts are accidental by-products if thats true i dont see a reason to believe that 1 accident can give a full correct acount of all the other accidents
bobtheninjaboy 2 years ago
2 things you forgot:
1) It also allows either tumous or cancer cells to spread faster
2) Some look nothing like it (they look like weird stick men throwing up on the street
SaviorOfLogic 3 years ago
George Wall
- Professor Harvard University - Biology - Nobel Prize Biology 1971 " When it comes to the origin of life, we have only 2 possibilities as to how life arose. There is no thrird possibility. One is spontanious generation arising to evolution. The other is a supernatural creative act of God.
nnejoel 3 years ago 2
Spontanious generation was SCIENTIFICALLY DISPROVED 100 years ago by Louis Pasteur. Lazzaro Spallanzani, and others. That leads us SCIENTIFICALLY to only one possible conclusion. That life arose as a supernatural creative action of God. I will not accept that PHILOSOPHICALLY, because i do not want to believe in God. Therefore i chose to believe in that which i know is SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE - spontanious generation arising to evolution. "
nnejoel 3 years ago
Actually it has been shown that it's possible for life to come from non-life. You should join us in the 21st century.
Even if abiogenesis was impossible, that would not prove that your God created life, or a conscious entity at all. You have to provide proof first. [A] being impossible does not automatically prove that [B] is right. That is absurd.
Also, please explain and prove how a being that, by definition, would have to be more complex than the UNIVERSE ITSELF came into existence.
federalD 3 years ago
People who see a relationship between Laminin and the Christian cross are clear examples of pareidoliac apophenia.
stumper001 3 years ago 2
or it means that god is cool and put some tiny crosses in us and also placed the earth and the so we can see the wirpool galxy perpendicular and look into the bloack hole in the center and see a cross. and why do peolpe who belive in nothing or scinence want religous people to stop bevling in what they do? who gives a crap about long words like 'pareidoliac' wow we can now say what problem we think you might have, man they spent there time well. i like monkeys
killerkan1484 3 years ago
Hey killer, associated Laminin molecules with religious signifcance is exactly pareidolia. Look it up instead of being so ignorant.
stumper001 3 years ago
you're a total moron. did you even read my post before you comment.
2 observations
I said
I will not accept that PHILOSOPHICALLY, because i do not want to believe in God. Therefore i chose to believe in that which i know is SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE - spontanious generation arising to evolution
you said
that would not prove that your God created life
moron.
nnejoel 2 years ago
Err, no. First of all, your comment is unclear because it contradicts itself, and ends with a quotation mark, so I did not understand what you were saying. You first say that because abiogenesis is supposedly impossible, God must have created the universe, then you contradict that. Be more clear. However, my response to you claiming that abiogenesis is impossible was that it was proven that abiogenesis is possible under certain circumstances, and that you should join us in the 21st century.
federalD 2 years ago
the quotation marks should give it away. It's a quote.
woosh eh?
and the 2nd thing abiogenesis has NOT been proved possible. because outside conditions were varied. That, no matter how much you want it to be, is not abiogenesis
nnejoel 2 years ago
There was ONE quotation mark at the END of your comment. It was therefore not clear what part of the comment was a quote.
During the experiment that was supposed to prove abiogenesis possible, amino acids, the building clocks of life, DID come from non-life. Therefore proving that abiogenesis is possible. What they discovered that was incorrect about the experiment was that the atmospheric conditions on primordial earth were different from those used in the experiment.
federalD 2 years ago
and you said
[A] being impossible does not automatically prove that [B] is right. That is absurd.
i made no claim contrary.
you really really should be embarrassed that this post is accredited to you.
nnejoel 2 years ago
You really should make your comments clear enough to understand.
federalD 2 years ago
lol u sorta prove ur self rong. but i not dobting you i belice everyone should have a choice and free will over what they belive so would everyone stop this rubbish porapganda like crap, about reilgion and leave people only or discuss this with you friends or in forms where poeple are o.k with aguing and talking about. ( i clicked on this link by random choice) I love you all (not bi) XD
killerkan1484 3 years ago
God bless you bro, sometimes we really don´t know what we are talking about
jluisfg 3 years ago
hey when I say things like 'crikey' it's sounds a little bit like christ
'that's it! we aussies must be the chosen people!
great video!
isaishkai 3 years ago
Of course! The word crikey is a message from God! What was I thinking worshipping these Gods?
federalD 3 years ago
When do aussies say 'crikey' and do you have a lisp cause when i say crikey it sounds more like cricket than christ. but hay you think what you wanna i still sticking with god. FLYING POODLE SHORTS
killerkan1484 3 years ago
i agree with hyperbulle. you are completely brilliant. i am into greek mythology, but i would have never thought... never... i didn't even think that laminin was anything science related (well, maybe something god related; like an acrostic poem or something...) good for you. what is the name of the song, by the way... and... how in the name of the gods did you get so gods darned smart? oh well. gods bless.
futurevegan 3 years ago
I knew about Caduceus by complete chance, actually. I learned as much as I could about Hermes and Apollo, which also led me by chance to read about Apollonius. The shape is obviously much more like caduceus than it is like the cross.
Most of what I know is common knowledge, and should be to anyone that argues for or attempts to dispute evolution by natural selection, if you ask me.
I added you on AIM but I might have gotten your name wrong. My screen name is "Blackcracker2268". Hail Zeus.
federalD 3 years ago
ok. cool. i am actually going away for a week... but i might be on from time to time during the week but not too often... talk to you later.
futurevegan 3 years ago
I've been telling Xtians that even if Laminin was shaped like a cross, it has nothing to do with jesus.
JC was crucified on a stake or post. (Stauros not crux). It's a mistranslation. So the traditional Xtian cross is the symbol for the god Tammuz.. (the sacred Tau, as they say). The cross symbolizing the 1st letter in his name.
So all these centuries Xtians have been using the cross of Tammuz! I think it's hillarious!
Hail Tammuz...and Zues...and...
sixkiller111 3 years ago
Well, as George Carlin once said, "I would never want to be a part of a group whose symbol is a guy nailed to two peices of wood."
It makes as much sense either way.
federalD 3 years ago
What The fuzzulwazzel you makea no sense spell correctly( i know thats hyporctical but i'm 15 and dislexic). from what i can tell your saying that romans didn't crucafiy poeple on crosses and aktually a stake or poll. that make no sense, cos you die from cruifiction from stranglation which wouldn't work on a stake. and who the hell is Tammuz. We use the cross as a reminder of the stuffering Jesus went through. PLUS LAMIN AS A ACTUAL PHOTO DOSN'T HAVE A DOUBBLE HELIX> plus watch louie Giglio
killerkan1484 3 years ago
killerkan
Sorry about the typos. I'm using 2 keybords, 1 4 each hand. Typing this with left, I'm rt. handed
Bcuz U think it makes no sense means nothing. It is a mistranslation. JC was crucified on a stake...slow death. Wouldn't work? Wrong.
I didn't write the scriptures. But don't take my word 4 it. Look it up.
Besides that, it's a historical fact that the cross ur familier with is the cross of Tammuz (Babylonian Deity). This was long B4 JC. Well established.
I'll be posting more in a bit.
Cootabux 3 years ago
Oh and the song is "There's a War Going On For Your Mind" by Flobots, my second favorite band next to the Pillows.
federalD 3 years ago
sweet. i am going to look them up.
futurevegan 3 years ago
You sir, are brilliant.
Hyperbulle 3 years ago
I was going to say the Celtics & Pagans had cross symbols 1000 years before Christ ...but Hermes will do too...
praise Zeus...he's making a comeback (insert Rocky theme song here).
404040wolf 3 years ago
L-gulonolactone oxidase
TheReasonWhyGuy 3 years ago
Awesome, the Greek gods don't care how we have sex! lol
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
Research? Research? Are you serious? Is that what you call that? lol Your own words discredit you. Who needs laminin to see evidence of God's existence? It's plastered all over the universe. Whatever happened to basic logic?
BigPiePublishing 3 years ago
I would like to see the evidence that is "plastered" all over the universe, which I'm sure is nothing more than some convoluted interpretation of the facts bent to fit your worldview.
federalD 3 years ago
My apologies. I didn't know you were blind when I made my comments. Sorry. Now I'm really impressed that you can make any kind of video! lol.
Seriously, atheism is ridiculous so I'm not going to get dragged into the pseudo intellectual and philosophical arguments they use as a smoke screen. They average 5 old can see that God exists. I think that's why atheists work so hard on their arguments... that and the fact that silly arguments need all the help they can get.
BigPiePublishing 3 years ago
The average american 5 year old is indoctrinated into a church by his or her parents at a younger age. They shove the idea of God into their head as hard as possible while their heads are still soft enough to believe it. Religious beliefs are nearly geographically divided. If you had been born in the middle east you would be a Muslim. 5 year old children are going to believe what they are told to believe. Wait until the child is 18, then show him a bible and see how much sense it makes to him.
federalD 3 years ago
You're describing my life, only I was 28 and not 18. Your point? I DECIDED to believe based on evidence. Proof? Certainly not, but evidence nonetheless. There is no proof.
What you believe takes faith just as much as what I believe. The difference is you have faith in different things. I have faith in an omniscient, omnipotent God. You have faith in yourself and your intellect.
If I'm wrong, what have I lost? If you're wrong...what have you lost? Your proposition seems risky.
Carmelbythecorn 3 years ago
If it turns out I do survive the death of my brain, and thus my nervous system, and somehow get a new body, and I am asked why I didn't believe in God, I will tell him simply that he did not provide a sufficient amount of evidence to convince the Jews and the Muslims and the Buddhists and the thousands of other religions, past and present, to believe in the Christian God, and while I disagree with their ideas about god, there must be some significant reason why they dismiss Christianity as false
federalD 3 years ago
I hope that will be enough. For me it's not but if it is for you...good luck.
Carmelbythecorn 3 years ago
UM, MUslims, Jews and Chirstains all belive in the same god. And about 50% of the worlds religoins belive in Jesus as some sort of prophet. AND if Science/Atheism is true what is wrong with:
murder, rape, mutalation, desrespect for the dead, the HOLOCAUST, and many other thing we have laws on. I LOVE THE MONKEY HEAD
killerkan1484 3 years ago
There are contradictory conclusions regarding the nature and existence of god even within the dozens of different denominations of Christianity. Ranging from a very specific, anthropomorphic figure to an amorphous blob of an entity, so don't tell me that these faiths which contradict each other on major points all believe in the same god just because of a single coincidence.
So if I could prove that God didn't exist, you would immediately go out and start murdering and raping people?
federalD 3 years ago
yes, yes i would. I LIKE PURPLE CHEESE
killerkan1484 2 years ago
Another difference is that 5 year old Muslim would be killed by his family if he decided to change religious beliefs...not so in a Christian household...
Carmelbythecorn 3 years ago
That's not really the point I was making. If the child had been born in India, he probably would have been a Buddhist. If he had been born in Ancient Greece, he actually would be worshipping Zeus and Hera and Hermes, if born in tribal africa, he would be worshipping the Great Juju at the bottom of the sea, to steal a quote from Richard Dawkins. What if we're all wrong about Zeus?
If I'm wrong, it doesn't mean you're right. That's the downfall of Pascal's Wager.
federalD 3 years ago
Of course if you're wrong it doesn't mean that I'm right. I didn't say that nor did I imply it.
Carmelbythecorn 3 years ago
UM not all africains worship Juju and Indai more lickly to be Hindi, and different parts of ancient Greece worshiped different Gods. Just thought you might want to make a factful point. lol
Are you lots adults cos these seems quite sad for over 20's to be arguing on youtube. But a don't mind arguing but this seems a bit silly
killerkan1484 3 years ago
Fed, you have some talent as a film maker. Nicely done!
I don't think laminin or it's scientific representation as a cross or it's electron microscope image as a cross is evidence of a creator. We've discussed that.
I am curious as to why you spend so much time denying a creator? I take it you are an atheist. That is your right. I'm not spending my time making videos debunking atheism.
Why so much effort to disprove something you don't believe exists?
Carmelbythecorn 3 years ago
What explained lightning before we understood how it happened? God. What explained the wind and currents of the ocean before we were able to understand them? God. Why did we think the Earth was flat for thousands of years before Christopher Columbus proved it to be round? The Bible.
The belief in a God that is intimately involved with the lives of its creations has held us back from truly understanding the world around us in order to cling to what I can only describe as a security blanket.
federalD 3 years ago
The problem with your statement is that many scientific discoveries (of old and currently) were made by Christians. Science and Christianity are not mutually exclusive. The political use of science has attempted to render them mutually exclusive but in reality they are not.
Carmelbythecorn 3 years ago
Not true. Thomas Edison, for instance, was a deist. There have been many scientists and inventors in the past that were deist, pantheist, agnostic, or even atheist, as well as there have been Christian scientists and inventors. However, nowadays, the Atheist:Christian ratio among scientists is nearly the reverse of that of the majority of society. Generally among more educated people, you find more atheists.
federalD 3 years ago
If that is how you define educated and it helps you to feel better then fine.
Carmelbythecorn 3 years ago
If it was simply a belief people used to make followers better as people, which it is for most, I attest, then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but when the belief is taken so seriously as fact with little or no evidence, and they condemn any idea against it which does have evidence by pointing out inaccuracies, and furthermore claiming those inaccuracies as proof of their beliefs, it almost prevents the filling of those holes.
federalD 3 years ago
it says in the bible that jesus is the one that holds us together and that was writtin thousands of years ago
johnbosley305 3 years ago
Too bad a cross is an inanimate object and Jesus' symbol is a fish.
It's merely a coincidence, nothing more.
federalD 3 years ago
Good job. :)
itsaboutglenn 3 years ago