We must pray for one holy catholic and apostolic church, and with women and gay bishops, of course it will not be easier. How come the Episcopal Church of America does not have an Arch Bishop??!!
Why don't you just say what you really mean Steve Rice? It pains you to see the Anglican Communion breaking apart because of the dissipation of all that lovely green money.
"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:10)
The Angilcan church EXISTS in the 3rd world as a product of British victorian colonialism. It's existence there is a product of exploitation, racism, and oppression.
How ironic, and creepy, is it now that today, 1st world, reactionaries within this group are desperately flocking toward these 3rd world victorian legacies, which were formed as colonial control-mechanisms. To claim legitimacy in oppressing LGBT people in their own 1st world home countries?
If you cannot see the exponential layers of heaped-up hipocrisy, in all of this, poster, how do you even claim that you are capable of being a leader for morality for people to follow???
It never fails to amuse me how so many of you claim to be "Catholic". This is nonsense. ARE YOU MARRIED. If you are so "Catholic" why are you a member of a PROTESTANT CHURCH FORMED ON THE WEAKEST, MOST RIDICULOUS OF JUSTIFICATIONS? If you admire Catholicism so much: RENOUNCE YOUR WIFE AND BECOME A CATHOLIC
Warms my heart to hear you say, "I am Catholic in Theology." Join Cardnial John Henry Newman , the Church would be happy to have you and I know several former Anglican Priest (married with children) who have received dispensation to be be ordained in as Priest in the Catholic Church..
How amusing. Now Dr Jensen and co. say they can be Anglicans while giving the finger to Canterbury, just like Canterbury claims to be Catholic while giving the finger to Rome. Sooner or later your falsies catch up with you and bite you on the bum.
fine sentiments vicar, but the Anglican Church is not Catholic, since its rejection of Roman primacy. There is no bedrock there for unity. Every bishop is his own little pope, and the Anglican settlement is a recipe for warring factions and divisions. There is nothing in your constitution for unity: that is, nothing there to claim to be Catholic, because it is all built on Anglophilia, not universalism.
The Anglican communion was always headed towards this crisis, because it has no effective magisterium. It is an anglophilic umbrella institution masking every shade of possible belief, with no central core of truth.
The EUSA seems to have nothing but contempt and will just go on it's own irrelevent way,funded by wealthy cliques and minoroties batting for their own piece of turf..ask yourselves...
1-How relevent is the Church and why have you lost hundereds of thousands members in the last 10 years
2-WHY do you wish to be in communion with the Catholic Church when the Episcopla USA has little in common with it
The Episcopal Church does not want to be in the Anglican Communion and will be the ones to break it up.
The African Anglicans are correct and the EUSA seems just to be a clique that like the CoE is irrelevent,and seems more interested in gays and women clergy.The Catholic Church did you a favour and IMHO the Anglican relationship should be severed..IMMEDIATELY
Nothing changed, save for the determination of those who are dissatisfied to get out while the getting it good. After the Common Cause meeting in Pittsburg, expect the defection of not just parishes but whole diocese. The only question is whether the new entity will be able to stick together, and exactly what form it will take.
i agree with you on the fact that a compromised unity would not work because compromise is never victory its polite defeat, no one is happy but my pointe was that the Anglicans should just jion the Roman Catholics becasue there were absolutly no theological reasons for the separation
it was soley political so we should leave thge politics behind us i recently went to an episcopal service after going to a Roman Catholic Mass and it was basicly the same stuff the only differences were slight rewordings of prayers and reordering things just almost as if to make it seem like there was in fact a difference but there really wasnt. the episcopal split from the anglicans during the revolution was also soley a political issue
Wasn't the Anglican split from the Roman Catholic Church a purely political issue as well? I think the problem we are seeing is that two wrongs don't make a right...
I agree that a compromised unity is no unity at all. Anglicans joining Roman Catholics is not an option for many of us, I am an Anglo-Catholic would love to be in communion with Rome... but I do not believe the Pope is infallible, I think he is a first amongst equals (an Orthodox point), I also believe that priests should be allowed to marry - there are many more fundamental differences between Anglicans and Roman Catholics, and they are far too important for me personally to compromise.
The concept of "first among equals" is no primacy at all unless the Pope has universal jurisdiction. The Orthodox are all bickering among themselves and at each other's throats and essentially put nationalism ahead of universality which is the essence of Catholicism. You lot are in precisely the position you because of your rejection of Papal infallibility.
The concept of "first among equals" is no primacy at all unless the Pope has universal jurisdiction. The Orthodox are all bickering among themselves and at each other's throats and essentially put nationalism ahead of universality which is the essence of Catholicism. You lot are in precisely the position you because of your rejection of Papal infallibility.
The essence of Catholiscism is to hate other people and ideas and to bugger 10 year old boys. You lot are going bankrupt all over America and losing your youth because you just can't stop touching little boys.
yea who will be first to step into unity with the true church? I think that everyone has far to much pride to join together again after 500 years of conflict and dissent
Well, depending on who you ask... Some would say that the church will only be visibly united in heaven, or after the second coming. Other will say that if you want to join the true church, check out your local Orthodox parish.
The Epistles had lots to say about the Church being one body and the danger of division and disputes, but at the same time it also had much to say about not listening to false prophets and expelling the unrepentent sinners. Ask yourself... Is a female bishop praying to "Our Mother" really carrying on the apostolic faith? What about those that take a hatched to the creeds?
that was enlightening. Probably the nicest presentation in general terms that I could understand and relate to. I hope that somehow, your vision for the church can be broadened within Burke county as well. There are a number of Christ-Followers that have that same desire - that is for unity in Christ!
We must pray for one holy catholic and apostolic church, and with women and gay bishops, of course it will not be easier. How come the Episcopal Church of America does not have an Arch Bishop??!!
karpov89 2 years ago
Why don't you just say what you really mean Steve Rice? It pains you to see the Anglican Communion breaking apart because of the dissipation of all that lovely green money.
"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:10)
MaryWaterton 2 years ago
(part2)
Clearly, you ARE NOT Catholic.
The Angilcan church EXISTS in the 3rd world as a product of British victorian colonialism. It's existence there is a product of exploitation, racism, and oppression.
How ironic, and creepy, is it now that today, 1st world, reactionaries within this group are desperately flocking toward these 3rd world victorian legacies, which were formed as colonial control-mechanisms. To claim legitimacy in oppressing LGBT people in their own 1st world home countries?
cpmkw 2 years ago
If you cannot see the exponential layers of heaped-up hipocrisy, in all of this, poster, how do you even claim that you are capable of being a leader for morality for people to follow???
It never fails to amuse me how so many of you claim to be "Catholic". This is nonsense. ARE YOU MARRIED. If you are so "Catholic" why are you a member of a PROTESTANT CHURCH FORMED ON THE WEAKEST, MOST RIDICULOUS OF JUSTIFICATIONS? If you admire Catholicism so much: RENOUNCE YOUR WIFE AND BECOME A CATHOLIC
cpmkw 2 years ago
Quit equivocating CATHOLIC with Rome alone...church history easily dispels that junk.
averagetheologian 2 years ago
Warms my heart to hear you say, "I am Catholic in Theology." Join Cardnial John Henry Newman , the Church would be happy to have you and I know several former Anglican Priest (married with children) who have received dispensation to be be ordained in as Priest in the Catholic Church..
God Bless
Your Catholic Brother.
Bakedpotato14 3 years ago
Your right because one denomination of Christians wiped out through murder all other sects of Christianity it must be the right one.
rexthebarker 3 years ago
Where there is no pope, everyone becomes his own pope.
jacero10 3 years ago
How amusing. Now Dr Jensen and co. say they can be Anglicans while giving the finger to Canterbury, just like Canterbury claims to be Catholic while giving the finger to Rome. Sooner or later your falsies catch up with you and bite you on the bum.
prierias 3 years ago
fine sentiments vicar, but the Anglican Church is not Catholic, since its rejection of Roman primacy. There is no bedrock there for unity. Every bishop is his own little pope, and the Anglican settlement is a recipe for warring factions and divisions. There is nothing in your constitution for unity: that is, nothing there to claim to be Catholic, because it is all built on Anglophilia, not universalism.
dickglover 3 years ago 2
The Episcopal church -- Unitarians receiving communion from Catholics.
Trailbzr 3 years ago
The Anglican communion was always headed towards this crisis, because it has no effective magisterium. It is an anglophilic umbrella institution masking every shade of possible belief, with no central core of truth.
dickglover 4 years ago
The EUSA seems to have nothing but contempt and will just go on it's own irrelevent way,funded by wealthy cliques and minoroties batting for their own piece of turf..ask yourselves...
1-How relevent is the Church and why have you lost hundereds of thousands members in the last 10 years
2-WHY do you wish to be in communion with the Catholic Church when the Episcopla USA has little in common with it
MrCravat 4 years ago
The Episcopal Church does not want to be in the Anglican Communion and will be the ones to break it up.
The African Anglicans are correct and the EUSA seems just to be a clique that like the CoE is irrelevent,and seems more interested in gays and women clergy.The Catholic Church did you a favour and IMHO the Anglican relationship should be severed..IMMEDIATELY
MrCravat 4 years ago
No Pope!
wiganrlfc 4 years ago
Amen!
jeffg006 4 years ago
@ 2:18 begin singing: "O Dradel, Dradel, Dradel, I made it out of clay!" :-p
Obfuskate7 4 years ago
With at the New Orleans House of Bishops meeting behind us, do you have any updates or reflections?
michaeldreinard 4 years ago
Nothing changed, save for the determination of those who are dissatisfied to get out while the getting it good. After the Common Cause meeting in Pittsburg, expect the defection of not just parishes but whole diocese. The only question is whether the new entity will be able to stick together, and exactly what form it will take.
RyanControl 4 years ago
The board he is using for his map is from a war game called 'Risk'.
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Amen! We need unity as one Christian Church!
AnHonestChristian 4 years ago
Unity at what cost, though? Unity based on complete compromise (especially with the unrighteous) is no unity at all.
kai5263499 4 years ago
i agree with you on the fact that a compromised unity would not work because compromise is never victory its polite defeat, no one is happy but my pointe was that the Anglicans should just jion the Roman Catholics becasue there were absolutly no theological reasons for the separation
demartinod 4 years ago
it was soley political so we should leave thge politics behind us i recently went to an episcopal service after going to a Roman Catholic Mass and it was basicly the same stuff the only differences were slight rewordings of prayers and reordering things just almost as if to make it seem like there was in fact a difference but there really wasnt. the episcopal split from the anglicans during the revolution was also soley a political issue
demartinod 4 years ago
Wasn't the Anglican split from the Roman Catholic Church a purely political issue as well? I think the problem we are seeing is that two wrongs don't make a right...
kai5263499 4 years ago
I agree that a compromised unity is no unity at all. Anglicans joining Roman Catholics is not an option for many of us, I am an Anglo-Catholic would love to be in communion with Rome... but I do not believe the Pope is infallible, I think he is a first amongst equals (an Orthodox point), I also believe that priests should be allowed to marry - there are many more fundamental differences between Anglicans and Roman Catholics, and they are far too important for me personally to compromise.
euromellows 4 years ago
you said it better than i ever could. i am an anglican.
tranurse 4 years ago
The concept of "first among equals" is no primacy at all unless the Pope has universal jurisdiction. The Orthodox are all bickering among themselves and at each other's throats and essentially put nationalism ahead of universality which is the essence of Catholicism. You lot are in precisely the position you because of your rejection of Papal infallibility.
dickglover 4 years ago
The concept of "first among equals" is no primacy at all unless the Pope has universal jurisdiction. The Orthodox are all bickering among themselves and at each other's throats and essentially put nationalism ahead of universality which is the essence of Catholicism. You lot are in precisely the position you because of your rejection of Papal infallibility.
dickglover 4 years ago
The essence of Catholiscism is to hate other people and ideas and to bugger 10 year old boys. You lot are going bankrupt all over America and losing your youth because you just can't stop touching little boys.
rexthebarker 4 years ago
So, the Anglican Church now has Priests and Priestesess?
LothairLorraine 4 years ago
Oh hell yeah, I had a priestess growing up.
rexthebarker 4 years ago
yea who will be first to step into unity with the true church? I think that everyone has far to much pride to join together again after 500 years of conflict and dissent
demartinod 4 years ago
Well, depending on who you ask... Some would say that the church will only be visibly united in heaven, or after the second coming. Other will say that if you want to join the true church, check out your local Orthodox parish.
RyanControl 4 years ago
This was a great video to help explain this situation.
I wonder, though; Where is the line when it comes to spiritual purity vs. unity in the Body?
kai5263499 5 years ago
The Epistles had lots to say about the Church being one body and the danger of division and disputes, but at the same time it also had much to say about not listening to false prophets and expelling the unrepentent sinners. Ask yourself... Is a female bishop praying to "Our Mother" really carrying on the apostolic faith? What about those that take a hatched to the creeds?
RyanControl 4 years ago
wow Steve,
that was enlightening. Probably the nicest presentation in general terms that I could understand and relate to. I hope that somehow, your vision for the church can be broadened within Burke county as well. There are a number of Christ-Followers that have that same desire - that is for unity in Christ!
GodsPeace, David
GreenPeasProductions 5 years ago
Nice summary of where things are in the ECUSA. Thanks for your hard work in creating these!
-t
raskotay 5 years ago